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Transcript for 28-10-2013, 638 lines:

00:06:35 Vexual: the foundation had a sit down with some irrelevant bureaucrats

00:12:32 Vexual: i'd like to imagine they are selling it as a feature, and teaching the less relevant party to fail at chess in their first and only game

00:17:13 pankkake: I just got a silly job offer, feels like a spam

00:17:33 pankkake: "An opportunity to join the most famous & successful website in the world today - Dublin €50-60K + Bens"

00:17:57 Vexual: dublin eh?

00:18:03 pankkake: Are you a rockstar Web Developer with superb programming skills in a range of open source technologies? Would you like to work for the most famous and successful website in the world today?

00:18:20 pankkake: "Java, J2EE, PHP, LAMP, Javascript or Objective C" I'd rather kill myself

00:18:24 Vexual: good luck in dublin froggy

00:18:34 pankkake: I'm not much of a frog :)

00:18:35 kakobrekla: when i see "rockstar" i say "fuckyou"

00:18:54 pankkake: HR people who try to appeal to "geeks" are annoying

00:20:03 kakobrekla: olol

00:20:10 kakobrekla: to bbet email> Excuse me but your buy shares button is broken. I would like to purchase some.

00:20:23 Vexual: whats 50k euro in real money?

00:20:24 kakobrekla: what are the chances.

00:20:43 pankkake: I wouldn't mind an opportunity to get out of France though

00:21:59 pankkake: Vexual: about 350 BTC

00:22:19 kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert eur

00:22:20 gribble: 1 BTC = 205.00000 U.S. dollars = 148.475411 Euros

00:22:30 kakobrekla: ;;calc 50/0.15

00:22:30 gribble: 333.333333333

00:22:47 pankkake: real EUR, not mtgoxEUR :)

00:22:50 Vexual: I wonder if you can drink guiness at work?

00:22:53 kakobrekla: :)

00:23:26 pankkake: I don't really like Guiness. Unlike women I like blondes better

00:24:53 Vexual: well rockstars drink what they like

00:25:14 Vexual: and turn up to appointments late in leather pants with no shirt on

00:26:11 pankkake: lol

00:29:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00600499 = 0.6005 BTC [-] {2}

00:32:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 450 @ 0.00114784 = 0.5165 BTC [+]

00:40:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 260 @ 0.00272995 = 0.7098 BTC [+] {2}

00:41:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 843 @ 0.00272997 = 2.3014 BTC [+]

00:56:09 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> what are the chances. << bout 80% i guess

00:56:46 kakobrekla: lol

00:56:49 kakobrekla: irlol.

00:57:43 mircea_popescu: anyway. the fsck is complete, the drives are fine, the failure was due to cosmic rays.

00:58:09 mircea_popescu: sent the pcb in the dead one to be cut apart, i'll have the results in a coupla weeks, i don't expect to see anything.

01:11:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.31500017 = 1.89 BTC [+] {5}

01:11:49 Vexual: those cosmic rays are a bitch

01:12:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31500017 BTC [+]

01:14:34 Apocalyptic: not sure if serious or joking

01:14:59 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i never met a cosmic ray.

01:15:36 Vexual: you've known gadzillionz intimately billions

01:15:40 Apocalyptic: of course you did mircea_popescu, they penetrate you everyday

01:15:54 mircea_popescu: raep

01:17:07 Vexual: you can get anything you want at alices resturant

01:28:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.58237506 = 9.318 BTC [-] {5}

01:55:02 Vexual: whats the craic nubbins`?

01:56:44 nubbins`: not much

01:56:48 nubbins`: ink shopping

01:59:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+]

01:59:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00272996 = 0.273 BTC [-]

01:59:41 Vexual: wild

02:01:09 Vexual: does anyone have thousghts on 0.9?

02:05:20 KRS1: wut

02:06:20 Vexual: are you smoking funny cigarettes krs1?

02:06:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 319 @ 0.00111937 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {4}

02:07:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 750 @ 0.00110064 = 0.8255 BTC [-] {8}

02:10:20 Vexual: sideways soup analysis in full effect

02:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 94 @ 0.0011 = 0.1034 BTC [-] {2}

02:16:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5612 BTC [-]

02:17:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2611 @ 0.00107258 = 2.8005 BTC [-] {9}

02:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1225 @ 0.00106 = 1.2985 BTC [-] {2}

02:21:03 thestringpuller: smokin on dat dro

02:21:08 thestringpuller: where beeeee mpex at yo?

02:24:05 nubbins`: dro

02:24:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1875 @ 0.00106 = 1.9875 BTC [-]

02:25:24 mircea_popescu: hehe. iiiit wooooont be loooong now

02:26:11 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTUAESacQM

02:26:12 ozbot: The Sugar Hill Gang - Rapper's Delight ( HQ, Full Version ) - YouTube

02:26:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00272997 = 0.1365 BTC [+]

02:28:28 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, thestringpuller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUBkEuxhgIU

02:30:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00272997 = 0.273 BTC [+] {2}

02:31:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.31500017 = 0.63 BTC [+]

02:33:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1777 = 0.5331 BTC [+]

02:34:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.178 = 0.534 BTC [+]

02:37:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+]

02:41:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.07611699 = 0.7612 BTC [+] {5}

02:42:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65798996 = 1.974 BTC [+] {2}

02:43:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 0.07628999 = 0.534 BTC [+] {2}

03:03:09 Vexual: elegance cannot be imitated

03:04:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 154 @ 0.00537062 = 0.8271 BTC [-] {6}

03:05:36 Vexual: and there are no terms of reference but itself

03:06:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1098 @ 0.00272996 = 2.9975 BTC [-]

03:11:29 Vexual: stick that in your machine learning and smoke it

03:16:47 darby: ai is the new ui

03:17:09 Vexual: derp

03:17:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.56210001 = 25.8566 BTC [-] {10}

03:19:18 Vexual: google dumbed down their systems 2 years ago to appear to have progressed. it's the state of misinfo

03:21:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.55002727 = 6.0503 BTC [-] {3}

03:23:59 darby: interesting tactic

03:24:55 Vexual: even nsa dont have one hundred thosadnth of a good brain

03:32:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55001 BTC [-]

03:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00528008 = 0.2006 BTC [+]

03:33:09 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDZrVzoKM7Q

03:33:09 ozbot: RITA MARLEY "That's The Way Jah Jah Planned It" Paradiso, Amsterdam 2010 - YouTube

03:33:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55001 = 1.65 BTC [-]

03:34:34 darby: praise jah

03:35:26 Vexual: satoshi too

03:36:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 184 @ 0.00110832 = 0.2039 BTC [-]

03:38:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1565 @ 0.00011001 = 0.1722 BTC [-]

03:47:32 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvy5TGLUls8

03:47:32 ozbot: Damian "Jr. Gong" Marley - Set Up Shop - YouTube

04:05:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5525 = 2.21 BTC [+] {2}

04:06:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54000001 BTC [-]

04:08:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5304 = 2.652 BTC [-] {3}

04:13:30 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBivcKbOGI

04:13:30 ozbot: The Streets - Turn the Page - YouTube

04:19:24 darby: i'll contribute

04:19:28 darby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkS0yUxZ-go

04:19:29 ozbot: rhythm & sound w/ tikiman - jah rule - YouTube

04:20:18 Vexual: ill interrrupt joss stone for your cool handle darby

04:20:54 Vexual: success of a human hive, i like it

04:23:40 Vexual: now the patterns in one mans greay soup tell me i like you

04:25:41 darby: :)

04:26:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2229 @ 0.00258009 = 5.751 BTC [-] {11}

04:26:54 Vexual: two lists and a delicate interface, wait and see what i do with 80 bytes

04:28:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 115 @ 0.0052809 = 0.6073 BTC [-] {4}

04:29:14 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4UJLHFkWZ8

04:29:14 ozbot: Yes Sir Boss ft Joss Stone - Come Together - YouTube

04:29:44 KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCmQcRPtRg

04:29:45 ozbot: Damian Marley - Welcome To Jamrock - YouTube

04:32:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.52994117 = 18.018 BTC [-] {3}

04:35:06 Vexual: tropical varieties are still a rarity, but i think pankkake has something called pif?

04:40:11 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUwDx8HO11c

04:40:11 ozbot: Cypress Hill feat Method Man & Redman - Red Meth & B - YouTube

04:46:32 Vexual: 鮫皮?):same-kawa

04:53:14 Vexual: kanos avatar is still an offence to my schooling

04:56:29 Vexual: now that my master is dead by the blade of his son

05:01:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 209 @ 0.00549999 = 1.1495 BTC [+] {2}

05:04:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [+]

05:06:03 Vexual: it sits in a police station

05:06:52 Vexual: it should be melted and cast to sea

05:07:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52113333 = 1.5634 BTC [-] {3}

05:07:43 Vexual: pon a savage wind

05:11:51 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXAVYlGRIqc

05:11:51 ozbot: Tricky - Brand New You're Retro (live 1995) - YouTube

05:15:09 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3fd4nE8OCI

05:15:09 ozbot: Tricky - Murder Weapon (2010) - YouTube

05:20:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0053202 = 0.532 BTC [-] {2}

05:22:15 mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/1172/

05:22:16 ozbot: xkcd: Workflow

05:22:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00532023 = 0.5693 BTC [+] {2}

05:23:59 Vexual: looks like a fax

05:25:24 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3R_3h6zQEs

05:25:24 ozbot: Tricky - 'Hell Is Round the Corner' - YouTube

05:28:04 Vexual: my master tagt me the finer parts of linux, cad, fine art, sailing, swordsmanship and judo

05:28:40 Vexual: also cheaper motorcycles and native relations

05:29:26 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdbk0R2riCc

05:29:26 ozbot: Billy Bunks - Hookers - YouTube

05:36:18 Vexual: avoid war

05:37:02 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHo7zyXqFsI

05:37:02 ozbot: Tornts - Don't Like Ya Shit [feat. Billy Bunks] - YouTube

05:39:42 Vexual: kano

05:41:16 Vexual: its all a grand tapestryu

05:42:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.31500014 = 1.575 BTC [-]

05:46:06 dub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ElJ9wQllJ0

05:46:07 ozbot: Waltzing Matilda - YouTube

05:46:28 Vexual: you're full of funny ideas

05:48:33 Vexual: good mix tho

05:49:01 Vexual: korean 3d

05:50:52 dub: this is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ElJ9wQllJ0&t=2m27s

05:51:49 Vexual: this wis ulti mately betterer

05:51:50 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j16RlNtyBE

05:51:50 ozbot: Woodstock 1969 - Canned Heat - On The Road Again - YouTube

06:03:21 Vexual: dub you win some aussie goodness for being so clever with korean 3d

06:03:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.00259999 = 0.4992 BTC [+]

06:03:55 Vexual: thisll make goat quit

06:03:59 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJjYc2qqNNg

06:03:59 ozbot: Pop Porn - Regurgitator - YouTube

06:04:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 421 @ 0.0026 = 1.0946 BTC [+]

06:07:09 Vexual: blame it on the cosmic rays

06:08:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5895 = 2.358 BTC [+] {2}

06:10:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0026 = 0.26 BTC [+]

06:11:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114789 = 0.1148 BTC [+]

06:22:56 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcu1AHaTchM

06:22:56 ozbot: Flight Facilities - Clair De Lune (feat. Christine Hoberg) - YouTube

06:32:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5994986 BTC [+]

06:43:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59949839 BTC [-]

06:44:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0762 = 0.1524 BTC [-]

06:45:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0026 = 0.13 BTC [+]

06:51:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.0026 = 0.1196 BTC [+]

07:27:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.17777 = 0.7111 BTC [-]

07:31:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 244 @ 0.0011479 = 0.2801 BTC [+]

07:33:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.0027 = 0.1944 BTC [+]

07:42:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5728 = 1.1456 BTC [-]

08:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [TEST] 987654321 @ 1.23456789 = 1219326311.1264 BTC

08:19:35 jurov: hm, mpex still fscking...

08:26:48 mircea_popescu: jurov on the 2nd disk ;/

09:26:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.59949771 = 2.9975 BTC [+]

09:31:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 22008 @ 0.00017 = 3.7414 BTC [+] {2}

09:48:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.59985649 = 8.398 BTC [+] {2}

09:49:51 bitesak: ;;ticker

09:49:51 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 207.30000, Best ask: 207.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 207.30000, 24 hour volume: 14695.42472329, 24 hour low: 192.20589, 24 hour high: 208.36000, 24 hour vwap: 202.88589

09:54:28 jurov: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/wolff/2013/10/27/ceos-are-often-clueless-about-technology/3182203/

09:54:29 ozbot: Wolff: How CEOs are clueless about technology

09:54:55 jurov: ^ for anyone who is still fearing govt will kill bitcoin

10:01:53 pankkake: are there people who really fear that? or simply think they will *try* (which is annoying enough)

10:02:08 pankkake: I don't really see the relation with the article though

10:04:26 pankkake: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2013&bots=true#273774

10:04:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:21:41 mircea_popescu: pankkake no, see, it's a bad power

10:22:28 pankkake: bad power supply? cable?

10:24:11 mircea_popescu: see, a drive popped yest. so this was suspicious, was looked into extensively. nothing found. new drive was put in.

10:24:23 mircea_popescu: ~1 hour later, this drive also popped.

10:25:05 mircea_popescu: that particular power strip apparently puts noise in burns drives. i have no spare powers because a lot of shit in there.

10:25:19 mircea_popescu: and etc.

10:29:46 pankkake: hard drives are very capricious… power, cables, airflow :/

10:30:05 mircea_popescu: i have never heard of shit like this before.

10:30:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, no attack, no data loss, no anything. just fucking obnoxious power.

11:00:54 jurov: mircea ic, you thought too hard about good entropy sources.. so one got manifest :D

11:09:32 KRS1: bad ground?

11:19:10 pankkake: I tested my appartment, depending on the wall it has bad ground or reversed polarity. must have been wired by monkeys

11:20:32 lurker: the best electricians!

11:20:36 lurker: hi

11:21:15 KRS1: hush you are supposed to be lurking

11:21:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.17777 BTC [-]

11:21:44 lurker: I am shhhh

11:22:58 KRS1: ok

11:49:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00599893 = 0.4859 BTC [-]

12:00:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share

12:27:06 davout: pankkake: reversed polarity? with alternative current?

12:27:22 davout: :-)

12:27:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00599699 = 0.2998 BTC [-]

12:29:02 mircea_popescu: jurov, totally

12:31:39 pankkake: well, I don't know really, of course it doesn't make sense. but something was reversed according to my tester

12:34:00 pankkake: http://www.audiograal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/testeur.jpg depending on the wall, the errors weren't the same

12:34:33 pankkake: (ok, not polarity)

12:39:04 davout: pankkake: where did you learn electronics? bfl?

12:39:15 davout: :D

12:39:25 Apocalyptic: haha davout

12:39:33 lewicki: chevron 7 is now locked

12:40:02 pankkake: I had the lowest score of my last eletronic classes actually!

13:01:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6000001 BTC [+]

13:02:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]

13:03:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 0.05750001 = 0.5175 BTC [-]

13:13:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 160 @ 0.00114754 = 0.1836 BTC [-] {4}

13:14:27 bitesak: ;;ticker

13:14:28 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.01000, Best ask: 206.02000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 206.02000, 24 hour volume: 15499.07585503, 24 hour low: 192.22880, 24 hour high: 208.50000, 24 hour vwap: 203.41622

13:47:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5812 = 4.6496 BTC [-] {2}

13:53:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00571013 = 0.1941 BTC [-]

13:56:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00571012 = 0.571 BTC [-] {2}

14:00:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] [PAID] 0.54749128 BTC to 40`316 shares, 1358 satoshi per share

14:10:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.34998999 BTC [+]

14:14:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 220 @ 0.0011 = 0.242 BTC [-]

14:35:44 ThickAsThieves: Free migration of NEOBEE shares from Bitfunder to Havelock ends soon! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3427655#msg3427655

14:58:19 smickles: $email

14:58:20 mpexbot: smickles: No new messages received.

15:06:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 186 @ 0.00571005 = 1.0621 BTC [-] {2}

15:11:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0056309 = 0.1239 BTC [-] {2}

15:18:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]

15:18:52 jcpham: smickles!

15:19:04 jcpham: greetings and salutations

15:46:11 mircea_popescu: well that was painful.

15:48:09 nubbins`: i've got this condition where it's really difficult for me to find the ketchup in the fridge

15:49:42 abracadabra: put a big yellow flag on the ketchup bottle

15:51:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1834 @ 0.0011 = 2.0174 BTC [-]

15:53:10 bob_: omg mpex is back.

15:53:15 bob_: almost.

15:53:58 Azelphur: mpex fought the law and the...mpex won

15:54:07 bob_: almost. some stuff is weird.

15:54:54 nubbins`: abracadabra: i seriously searched for 30 minutes last night. open the fridge this morning, ketchup sitting alone on the bottom shelf

15:54:58 bob_: heh. the s.nsa ipo is back on!

15:57:18 bob_: looks like 10 days of data missing. well, those trades probably weren't important anyway :D

16:01:07 mircea_popescu: bob they're just not showing.

16:01:19 mircea_popescu: also trade is not active atm.

16:02:08 the20year: what exchanges are working decently?

16:03:23 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: one of the big problems with higher education is that students think "ok, i just attend these classes, get this degree, and i'm employable", which is just not true. getting a university degree, college diploma, whatever, doesn't mean you're employable, doesn't mean you have skills, doesn't mean you know how to do anything besides graduate from a program. the value isn't in the degre

16:03:24 nubbins`: or the individual classes, the value is being in an environment where you have ready access to the tools you need to educate *yourself*. nobody understands this anymore, and so they just show up and mope through classes and go home, not communicating with people who could offer advice, not seeking out opportunities to gain useful knowledge. just going through the motions and passing tests until the

16:03:24 nubbins`: get a sheet of paper that says "B.Sc. (hons)", and then working a shit retail job until one day they realize (or not) what they should have been doing all along

16:04:26 nubbins`: and it takes a 3 minute job interview to separate those who went through the motions from those who took the opportunity to educate themselves

16:05:52 pankkake: getting drunk with friends were the best learning experiences I got from higher education

16:06:06 pankkake: well, and the internships

16:06:25 pankkake: didn't even bother coming back for the diplomas

16:06:30 nubbins`: spending six years learning that i didn't want to spend the rest of my life working in an office was the best learning experience i got

16:06:44 nubbins`: very, very expensive lesson, but sometimes it must be so

16:07:52 KRS-: nubbins: not sure if you went to college or not, I did and I learned a lot. A lot of what you said is true, but you can't discount a degree someone has attained.

16:07:54 jurov: so... since mpex now advises to vent our rage here... y u no backup machine mircea???

16:08:45 nubbins`: KRS-: i spent 6 years in university. i'm discounting the notion that possession of a degree automatically confers knowledge, wisdom, or experience. :)

16:09:19 nubbins`: i know lots of very intelligent university-educated people, but i also know some complete fucking morons with the same credentials

16:09:37 KRS-: Ok I see what you are saying and you are right. Those who are just good test takers who finished a program stick out like a sore thumb imo.

16:09:48 bob_: certainly not experience, but it does generally mean some knowledge.

16:09:53 KRS-: Most of the time you can tell just by talking to them.

16:10:06 pankkake: I wouldn't employ most of the people who got the diplomas I got

16:10:19 bob_: CS majors know what O(n) means. English majors who taught themselves html do not.

16:10:22 jurov: nubbins`: i'd reject such advice before my 3rd uni year as outright blasphemous

16:10:32 nubbins`: well, that's the problem. kids are throwing tens of $ away, under the impression that it will make a difference in their lives. but unless they have the drive to take what they want and the self-awareness to know what it is, it'll never be anything more than a costly waste of time for them

16:11:02 the20year: I'm still pretty happy with the fact I have never attended formal college

16:11:10 nubbins`: tens of $? lel. tens of thousands of $

16:11:23 bob_: 100's.

16:11:28 nubbins`: this is why a bachelor's degree is the new standard for employability

16:11:31 nubbins`: because everyone has one

16:11:38 the20year: I wonder how much that piece of paper would cost me

16:11:46 nubbins`: completely avoiding the fact that they're as useless now as a HS diploma was not long ago

16:12:05 mircea_popescu: jurov because at some point your system is either cenrtralised or it isn't.

16:12:35 jurov: btw, i'd happily employ genial teenagers.. but how to find them and how to keep them motivated for my cause?

16:12:44 the20year: Develop a hiring system

16:12:44 KRS-: the20year: cost me $60 I got 2% for 12 years financing still paying lol

16:12:49 nubbins`: you can't "keep" people motivated

16:12:52 mircea_popescu: you know genial = friendly, happy people. genius is prolly what you mean

16:13:02 KRS-: $60K

16:13:08 jurov: the20year: can you elaborate?

16:13:28 nubbins`: ah a hiring system. why has nobody thought of this!

16:13:59 nubbins`: can part of the system be "nobody gives a fuck if you have a degree"

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16:15:36 nubbins`: anyway. walk around any campus and ask some young faces why they're there. see how many say "because my parents expect this of me". see how many are thinking the same but are ashamed to admit it.

16:15:43 nubbins`: can you think of a bigger waste of money? or TIME?

16:16:10 the20year: Personally, i try and develop a plan of finding people who can be motivated, either by time or money, then provide a roadmap so they can see how they will gain good income for working with me over a set period of time

16:16:12 jurov: as compared to?

16:16:17 jurov: nubbins`: ^

16:16:41 the20year: I hate hourly pay, so what I typically offer is contract pricing, pay-for-performace models, so as they get better ,their wages automatically increase, and then if they don't work well they'll quit on their own without dragging down the company too much

16:16:43 nubbins`: as compared to spending time figuring out what you want from life

16:16:45 jurov: the20year: the coworking space i'm affiliated to, is trying exactly this

16:16:53 jurov: and it is all but easy

16:16:56 the20year: That's how I run RentalStarter, working with contractors

16:17:09 the20year: Hit the goals? You get a bonus. Miss them? You make less money

16:17:09 nubbins`: university is just a 4 (or more) year extension on the autopilot that's been running these kids' lives

16:17:19 the20year: Pretty much, they do what they're told without thinking

16:17:37 the20year: My cousin went to school for history, then he realized he can't get a job there, so now he's getting another degree in logistics

16:17:38 jurov: again, what alternative do you suggest?

16:18:02 the20year: I asked him "Who are you applying to after college" and he didn't think he could get employed ,even though a logistics degree is amazing to have

16:18:02 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:18:11 the20year: Build a business, learn to run it

16:18:21 jurov: you know, just telling them this outright does *not* work

16:18:25 nubbins`: i suggest not going to university. at least, not until you know what the fuck you want and have at least a general idea of how to get it

16:18:51 nubbins`: but suggestions are advice, and the funny thing about advice is that nobody wants to hear it until they're ready

16:18:58 the20year: Very true

16:19:09 nubbins`: and nobody's ready until they've sunk $60k into a degree in german film, or history, or biology

16:19:12 jurov: i could have had a business, even in opensource development long ago (nerd's wet dream i guess), but was afraid how to explain to everyone around

16:19:29 the20year: So why couldn't you explain it?

16:20:01 jurov: because...how it can be more important than school?

16:20:15 nubbins`: EVERYTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SCHOOL

16:20:24 the20year: Most will have to learn the hard way

16:20:31 nubbins`: NOBODY REALIZES THIS

16:20:46 the20year: I ask people to spend no less than 30 hours of research on the degree they want, speicifcally in how it will improve employability

16:20:58 the20year: I don't know how many people I know with psycology degrees who are flipping burgers still

16:21:10 nubbins`: science degrees are the biggest trick of all

16:21:11 jurov: also, i was not able to put consistent work output then due to psych problems

16:21:18 the20year: And I asked them all "When you saw that the unemployment rate for someone with that degree is 20% or more, why did you think it was a good idea?"

16:21:27 nubbins`: what the fuck are you gonna do with a biology degree? become a biologist?

16:21:36 nubbins`: great, how about the other 200 people in your graduating class?

16:21:43 nubbins`: working at pet stores and Liquor Mart

16:22:00 jurov: but they can't get somewhere where they have maths! even if their life depends on it...

16:22:46 nubbins`: now, to be fair, i'm squarely in the group of people who figured this all out after the fact

16:22:52 nubbins`: so it's not like i did things the smart way

16:23:18 nubbins`: but in my defense, i was told that this shit was basically a golden ticket

16:23:25 nubbins`: what a lel that was

16:24:13 nubbins`: the other half of this is that people tend to settle. "well, i'm done school, no more learning for me"

16:24:29 nubbins`: and they just stop taking in new information and learning new skills

16:24:42 KRS-: big mistake

16:25:04 nubbins`: that's almost worse, spinning your wheels so slowly that you don't even notice you're sinking into the mud

16:25:09 KRS-: thats what makes the difference between a ceo and someone who spends their life in their entry-level position

16:25:12 nubbins`: yes

16:26:28 nubbins`: but i think the problem in a lot of cases is that people just don't want anything

16:26:34 nubbins`: they're content to just float along

16:26:46 the20year: yep

16:26:53 the20year: Why not? The government will take care of them

16:27:04 nubbins`: every now and then they have an attack of guilt at the waste their life has become, but why dwell on that when it would take so much effort to change!

16:27:15 the20year: in modern society there's no problem, punishment or negative towards someone who doesn't want to do anything with life

16:28:32 bob_: not everything is more important than school. i'm looking at a resume right now that does not have a college listed, but does have that he attended "tony robbins - power to influence"

16:28:46 bob_: i'd rather see a degree

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16:38:32 nubbins`: the20year: let me find you a quote

16:39:09 the20year: "Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

16:39:56 bob_: yeah, i think tony robbins said that.

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16:41:48 nubbins`: "The Brutor takes pride in the troubles of their life because it all adds to their stature. They marvel at failure, such as bad grades in school, or getting hassled by cops who tell them only to move along. ... Any punishment for his actions becomes a badge and holds no real consequence because jail is holding him back from nothing but killing time"

16:41:48 the20year: Calvin Coolidge

16:44:47 bob_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYYp0TgNfGE

16:44:47 ozbot: Anthony Robbins- Tony Robbins Persist to Achieve - YouTube

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16:48:32 jurov: bullshit

16:49:04 jurov: it's impossible to some day decide "i'll be persistent" and stick to it for years

16:49:40 mircea_popescu: why ?

16:49:43 nubbins`: correct. persistence is a skill like any other

16:49:48 jurov: if you're otherwise happe and satiated

16:49:50 nubbins`: you need to work on it

16:49:51 jurov: *happy

16:50:08 nubbins`: jurov: happy and satiated are not synonyms

16:50:20 jurov: i did not say that

16:50:44 nubbins`: you came pretty close

16:50:54 nubbins`: many people are unhappy, yet satiated

16:51:06 nubbins`: that's what leads to change

16:51:26 nubbins`: being happy *and* satiated? you've got it knocked. don't change a thing.

16:51:30 jurov: man starts very unhappy or hungry. then one sets their goals to prevent it happening again

16:51:42 KRS-: a degree at the very least shows that someone can stick to something and complete it..for that, comes some value. as a hiring manager i'd rather see a degree.

16:52:01 nubbins`: KRS-: arguably the only concrete value a degree holds

16:52:26 nubbins`: but there are plenty of other ways to prove that

16:52:27 KRS-: the importance them comes down to whether or not you can tell if someone is just a good test taker or actually has knowledge and knows how to apply it

16:52:47 nubbins`: yes!

16:53:01 nubbins`: how many interviewees see it as yet another test that they must figure out how to pass

16:53:14 nubbins`: wholly missing the point of the entire exercise

16:53:27 nubbins`: and ending up in an unsatisfying job?

16:53:43 KRS-: but how many times have people been hired just because they can spit good game at an interview only to find out they are incompetent jerkoffs

16:53:54 nubbins`: plenty of those around, too

16:54:15 KRS-: salesmen come to mind

16:54:43 nubbins`: i used to work with a girl who had a B.Eng. with honors, and she wrote the worst code i've ever seen. variables called "resultset1" and "string3", seriously

16:54:58 nubbins`: "why the fuck did you guys hire her?"

16:55:04 nubbins`: "she was great in the interview"

16:55:13 kakobrekla: tits?

16:55:27 nubbins`: irrelevant, but no

16:55:29 the20year: interview = sacj

16:55:30 the20year: '*sack

16:55:44 nubbins`: no, she was just smart on paper and knew how to interview

16:56:01 KRS-: pfft

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16:56:32 nubbins`: but that didn't quite overcome her crippling lack of social skills or job knowledge

16:56:41 nubbins`: go figure

16:56:46 dexX7: http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/company/winklevoss-bitcoin-trust-909930-72927

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16:57:34 the20year: Nice

16:58:00 jurov: mircea_popescu: seems my rant about not having spare machine for mpex got lost

16:58:19 jurov: but i insist, why you have to wait for The One Holy Server to be rebuilt?

16:59:07 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> jurov because at some point your system is either cenrtralised or it isn't.

17:00:13 kakobrekla: yeah but reduncancy doenst have to kill centralisation

17:00:19 kakobrekla: ba

17:00:35 jurov: nubbins` how it precludes having regularly updated spare server?

17:00:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the problem is centralisation + security as a combo.

17:01:05 nubbins`: jurov: shrug, i only paste ;)

17:01:06 mircea_popescu: you CAN seamlessly failover on errors, if the result of errors is nil and convenience of not having errors is what counts.

17:01:18 mircea_popescu: however, if the result of errors is not nil, you can't just shrug and move on

17:01:54 mircea_popescu: in my case, i have to, everytime something unexpected happens, see why the fuck it happened before i can move on

17:02:07 nubbins`: or, put another way, a backup box is no good if it's a backup of a compromised machine

17:02:12 mircea_popescu: exactly.

17:03:43 kakobrekla: well there you have it jurov!

17:03:50 kakobrekla: :>

17:05:13 jurov: hm... so next time psu or raid controller dies, we'll be few days offline, again. cuz it could been a hack?

17:05:19 bob_: right, but, if you had a backup, once you decided it was just a power problem that fried your drive, you could recover faster.

17:05:23 mircea_popescu: what do you want me to do ;/

17:05:27 bob_: ^ what jurov said

17:05:30 mircea_popescu: last time it was a motherfucking "hack"

17:05:38 mircea_popescu: or w/e successful social engineering

17:06:00 nubbins`: hm, bob makes a point

17:06:11 mircea_popescu: bob_ yes, in principle. see, here's the thing : the more complex the security model becomes, by that very fact the more complex recovery processes become

17:06:14 mircea_popescu: this is unavoidalbe.

17:06:40 mircea_popescu: at some point the dilemma is, "either people will complain becauyse it takes too long, or people will complain because x edge case wasn't covered in the security design"

17:06:45 mircea_popescu: also unavoidable.

17:07:22 bob_: agreed with the theory, but in practice you could probably reduce the downtime with some improvements to architecture.

17:07:22 jurov: i mean, if you can do process with one machine, you can do the same with the second one with small marginal costs

17:07:32 lewicki: .d

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17:07:35 jurov: to have at least hardware fails covered

17:08:03 mircea_popescu: jurov yes, but then at some point you have machines in disagreement. how do you resolve this ?

17:08:20 mircea_popescu: also, machines don't cost 0.

17:08:38 mircea_popescu: so would you have a faster & better main server, or a shittier main so the back-up is there ?

17:08:57 mircea_popescu: depends, right ? if you never have catastrophic failures of the sort, the incremental gain from the better server is everyone's benefit.

17:09:11 mircea_popescu: however, if you do noboduy cares you were < .1 seconds forever, cause well... days offline.

17:09:46 jurov: well i'm all for shitty servers, and lots of them... you gonna scale up and hadle faults quickly someday anyway

17:10:19 mircea_popescu: anwyay, mpex is very much an adaptive beast. it's the best i can do, honestly, because i don't know the correct way to build bitcoin systems

17:10:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 130 @ 0.05510001 = 7.163 BTC [-] {2}

17:10:26 mircea_popescu: i daresay nobody does. we're finding out.

17:10:37 bob_: we are trying to figure that out :) since you don't allow high-frequency trading anyway, nobody cares if it's < .1 seconds or < .2 seconds.

17:11:00 Namworld: I'm alive

17:11:31 jurov: hi Namworld

17:11:35 mircea_popescu: bob_ except when ipo or w/e

17:11:51 mircea_popescu: yes, 99% of the time 99% of your shit isn't at work / needed.

17:12:56 kakobrekla: im just joking btw. i dont have a license to drive a bus.

17:14:49 bob_: so given that security is the most important thing, and we all understand the complexities involved, I think we can still agree that 2 days down for a failed hard drive probably warrents a blame-less post mortem with the goal of improving the system for the future?

17:15:49 mircea_popescu: blameless or blameful, you know ? what can i do, i'm doing it.

17:15:56 bob_: blameless.

17:16:09 bob_: glad to hear :)

17:16:12 mircea_popescu: but for all the shortcomings of distributed models, which exist, the centralised model has its problems.

17:19:02 jurov: well, just sayin'. maybe you study all chips with electron microscope and then second machine would really double whole expense...

17:19:42 mircea_popescu: well, see, before the 2nd drive went in and got fried, i had already sent the 1st to be cut up

17:19:57 mircea_popescu: so now i will get a pretty expensive lab bill saying "power fluctuations caused bla bla bla"

17:24:24 nubbins`: http://books.google.ca/books?id=f8gTJ3-MWzEC&pg=PA288

17:24:28 nubbins`: paragraphs 2-4

17:24:36 nubbins`: never trust a computer

17:26:26 pankkake: is it any good? I only read the Frank Herbert originals

17:27:18 nubbins`: a lot of people who like Frank's really dislike Brian's, but i enjoyed it

17:27:45 lurker: not the same style, not the same depth - forget the herbert name and it's decent

17:27:55 nubbins`: ^

17:28:00 pankkake: I see. thanks

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17:40:33 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/Q61qWo3

17:42:56 dexX7: omg :D

17:43:11 nubbins`: cant stop laughing

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18:05:07 kakobrekla: better http://imgur.com/a/usnAh

18:06:07 wao: :D

18:15:46 ThickAsThieves: http://buttcoin.org/cringiest-bitcoin-video-ever

18:19:00 kleeck: Oh... no.

18:19:05 kleeck: I just stopped it.

18:19:11 kleeck: I can't deal with that level of fail.

18:20:13 dexX7: lol wtf

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19:01:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005391 = 0.5391 BTC [-] {3}

19:04:53 KRS-: lol jurov i'm in I.T. i feel your pain

19:07:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 470 @ 0.00049953 = 0.2348 BTC [+] {2}

19:10:33 jborkl: I am angry just watching that video

19:10:37 jborkl: what a moron

19:17:02 kakobrekla: well a little sync practice and is good to go

19:19:01 nubbins`: yeah

19:19:15 nubbins`: he obviously didn't do a dry run of his presentation before the real thing, hey?

19:19:58 jcpham: what is this video

19:23:06 jcpham: shouldn't adviser be advisor

19:23:23 nubbins`: i think a lot of things should be other things

19:23:41 jcpham: in areica there is no such thing as an adviser

19:23:49 jcpham: all i see are grammatical errors already

19:24:52 jcpham: first few notes of floyd and dancing lost me

19:26:50 [\]: this made me lol http://buttcoin.org/the-reddit-bitcoin-tipping-bot-is-the-worst-way-to-promote-bitcoin-and-the-shills-wont-shut-up-about-it

19:30:38 kakobrekla: The whole r/bitcointip subreddit still doesn?t tell me shit so I just google ?default bitcoin address? and get this lovely address in return.

19:30:38 kakobrekla: 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE

19:30:38 kakobrekla: That seems like a good address. I decide to send my bitcoins there to that nice guy or gal can do something great in the world with that money.

19:30:39 kakobrekla: lol

19:30:48 nubbins`: heh

19:41:56 bob_: holee shit. asciilifeform - the force behind s.nsa - is from washington DC? conspiracy!

19:42:08 the20year: lol

19:42:15 the20year: what exchange?

19:42:22 dexX7: mpex

19:42:41 the20year: how difficult is it to get a lsiting on there?

19:43:26 kakobrekla: !jd

19:43:26 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 6106 BTC profit, 62.0k BTC invested, 210.04 mio bets, 4.29 mio BTC wagered

19:44:08 dexX7: i don't know, but mp is the one who approves the listings, i guess

19:45:12 the20year: trying to figure out what I should do if BF closes shop

20:06:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.0053 = 0.2756 BTC [-] {4}

20:06:44 kakobrekla: go back to glbse?

20:06:46 kakobrekla: oh wait.

20:09:06 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

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20:21:39 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1pecgp/blockchaininfo_celebrates_500000_wallets_with/

20:21:39 ozbot: Blockchain.info celebrates 500,000 wallets with free bitcoins : Bitcoin

20:22:08 nubbins`: site down

20:22:09 nubbins`: lel

20:23:12 asciilifeform: bob_: fact.

20:27:46 dub: fkn chemtrails

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21:05:21 skinnkavaj: pankkake

21:05:27 skinnkavaj: Here is a new investment

21:05:28 skinnkavaj: https://www.litecoininvest.com/security/SKETIS.INVEST

21:05:37 skinnkavaj: They are a security exchange platform

21:05:42 ozbot: Litecoininvest

21:05:46 skinnkavaj: They will offer one platform for LTC, BTC and XPM

21:06:07 skinnkavaj: All profits from fee trading will bee through that SKETIS.INVEST

21:06:21 skinnkavaj: I think they will overtake a lot of Litecoinglboal and BTCT trading

21:06:33 skinnkavaj: And XPM security trading will be interesting.

21:06:58 Apocalyptic: <skinnkavaj> And XPM security trading will be interesting. // i lol'd

21:07:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.07599999 = 0.38 BTC [+]

21:07:28 skinnkavaj: Valuation for all 3 exchanges: 250K LTC.. Currently worth = 2782 BTC

21:07:46 skinnkavaj: It's an investment in both LTC and their 3 exchange platform.

21:07:52 pankkake: I've been thinking about starting an xpm mining operation (there are some cheap deals you can profit from), but it certainly wouldn't be denominated in xp

21:07:54 skinnkavaj: Apocalyptic: Tell me a better investment.

21:07:55 pankkake: m

21:08:04 dexX7: hm?

21:08:05 pankkake: xpm as a currency is stupid

21:08:09 Apocalyptic: ^^

21:08:16 dexX7: skinnkavaj: are you behind www.litecoininvest.com?

21:08:23 pankkake: the coin that can be 51% attacked with $1000 + amazon ec2

21:08:32 skinnkavaj: dexX7: Not behind it, but bought shares today.

21:08:47 dexX7: so are you operating a passthrough or what?

21:08:50 skinnkavaj: No no

21:09:08 Apocalyptic: skinnkavaj, "better" in what sense ? more reward potential ? less risky ? better ratio ?

21:09:10 skinnkavaj: SKETIS.INVEST is officially from Litecoininvest

21:09:51 dexX7: ah so you are just promoting it?

21:10:34 skinnkavaj: dexX7: No one has told me to do that. I do it because I am a share holder, this is asset channel and to rub profits in pankkake and Apocalyptics face latero n.

21:10:58 dexX7: i'm just asking

21:11:10 dexX7: because it wasn't clear what your role was

21:11:19 dexX7: and skinn... and sketis sound more or less similar D:

21:12:08 skinnkavaj: This week they will be launching their BTC security exchange

21:12:39 skinnkavaj: I have no URL though. It's not presented yet.

21:12:52 dexX7: i have it

21:12:55 dexX7: :D

21:14:01 dexX7: he should open a thread on btctalk

21:39:03 mod6: speaking of bad drives, my lappy drive died also :<

21:40:36 jurov: RIP. these fkn chemtrails, you know.

21:41:53 mod6: ya srsly.

21:56:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0053 = 0.2491 BTC [+]

22:00:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00534941 = 0.1337 BTC [+]

22:38:41 pankkake: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24486685 RIP USD

22:38:42 ozbot: BBC News - China and ECB sign $57bn currency swap deal

22:43:20 jurov: ;;ticker

22:43:21 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.99000, Best ask: 207.40932, Bid-ask spread: 0.41932, Last trade: 206.96100, 24 hour volume: 10522.93290146, 24 hour low: 200.42000, 24 hour high: 209.79000, 24 hour vwap: 206.35675

22:49:11 wao: ;;bcstats

22:49:14 gribble: Current Blocks: 266611 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 1516 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 477002656.823 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.01779

22:54:55 lurker: ;;market buy 100000

22:54:57 gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 37088.785 bitcoins, for a total of 6626978770.6762 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0037 seconds

22:55:38 lurker: samn, I wanted to buy for 20M$ in BTC. I guess the Vii will have to be patient...

22:56:01 pankkake: it's probably only looking at mtgox though

22:56:31 lurker: ;;market buy 20000

22:56:31 gribble: A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 4511753.5588 USD and would take the last price up to 248.6458 USD, resulting in an average price of 225.5877 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 94.1080 seconds

22:56:44 lurker: ;;market buy 50000

22:56:44 gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 37088.785 bitcoins, for a total of 6626978770.6762 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 107.4166 seconds

22:56:50 lurker: ;;market buy 40000

22:56:50 gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 37088.785 bitcoins, for a total of 6626978770.6762 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 113.4446 seconds

22:56:57 lurker: meh

22:56:57 pankkake: perhaps they'll buy DPR's coins!

22:57:11 lurker: no, Ripple!

22:57:30 pankkake: yeah, the advantage is that there is no shortage of them :p

22:57:35 mircea_popescu: lol

22:57:41 mircea_popescu: 37k all the btc left, srsly ?

22:57:54 lurker: print'em!

22:58:34 dexX7: here is a nice way to track the books: http://blockchained.com/depth_mtgox_15d.png

22:59:12 smickles: i might be here now

23:00:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.31501013 = 5.0402 BTC [-] {3}

23:01:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.31501012 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}

23:01:17 dexX7: there is another really awesome graph i stumbled upon lately: http://coinsight.org/graphs/reddit_subscribers.png :D

23:01:31 pankkake: lol

23:03:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.31501009 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2}

23:04:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.31500016 = 2.835 BTC [-]

23:05:05 lurker: ;;ticker --market all

23:05:16 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 207.99400, vol: 10505.75742485 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 195.37, vol: 12532.34495373 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 188.88, vol: 8286.85443 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 195.85, vol: 3319.8770489 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 185.98, vol: 336.11482793 | Volume-weighted last average: 197.579214505

23:26:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00105014 = 0.105 BTC [-] {4}

23:31:06 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/7798/decentralization-key-to-bitcoins-success/

23:31:23 ThickAsThieves: decentralize all the things!

23:37:11 lurker: TAT: decentralization is essential. BTC enemy n°1 is centralization (51% yada yada)

23:38:02 pankkake: centralization is often misunderstood. for instance, mining isn't becoming centralized

23:38:03 lurker: BTC can't survive without being decentralized enough.

23:38:42 lurker: pankakke: it's being concentrated ATM

23:39:00 lurker: pankkake* sry :)

23:39:15 pankkake: I highlight all spellings :p

23:39:41 lurker: technically, it's not a spelling mistake since it's a name :P

23:41:33 Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: Did you short your AM PTs all the way down?

23:42:02 Bugpowder: Looks like my call to short it at 1BTC would have been profitable, if I had pulled the trigged and not gotten stopped out. :-P

23:43:11 mircea_popescu: lurker how do you know all this ?

23:45:53 mircea_popescu: i mean "BTC can't survive without being decentralized enough". what's enough and how do you know ?

23:48:45 lurker: pandora's box

23:48:56 lurker: gimme a min :)

23:49:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 877 @ 0.00501262 = 4.3961 BTC [-] {16}

23:58:06 lurker: mircea_popescu: there might be a way to attack this mathematically but I don't know if there is an exact answer to "how much". The extreme min. would be to have 2 trusted but untrusting miners.

23:58:58 lurker: However, that means a lot of centralization will have happened.

23:59:30 lurker: I can see this if these 2 miners are, say, banks, with lots of customers, all using bitcoin.

23:59:45 lurker: The problem is getting from where we are to there.