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00:00:53 pete_dushenski: re : http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/

00:00:55 assbot: The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6pIga )

00:01:11 pete_dushenski: was that only last month ? feels like longer ago.

00:02:11 pete_dushenski: man, b-a time infused with parenting time is straight trippy

00:07:54 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309131 << speaking of novels, how comes that book you were working on ?

00:07:54 assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 19:03:59; mircea_popescu: but i got an idea of a graphic novel, suddeenly : in this crapsack world in which the implementation of the "jews eating babies"/"white slavers" moral panic / fetish is actual farms to literally produce baby viande as per the modest proposal, it is discovered that ringworm infection of the abdomen in 2nd trimester females results in tastier, if very strangely diformed veal.

00:08:08 mircea_popescu: i wasn't.

00:08:41 *: pete_dushenski was perhaps mistaken, but recalls chapter outlines in fraudsters article in last 6 months

00:10:10 pete_dushenski: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu/

00:10:11 assbot: The Nordic System, a new novel by Mircea Popescu on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDYeIu )

00:12:05 mats: in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.

00:12:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17910 @ 0.00055182 = 9.8831 BTC [-]

00:12:37 mircea_popescu: ya but it didn't get picked up.

00:14:05 pete_dushenski: mats you're too cool to recognise/fellate your betters ?

00:14:05 mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.

00:14:05 assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:13:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308948 << disingenuous to bring it back to 'but we gotta raise the cost for attackerz' while carefully omitting to mention that in ALL OF THESE 'mitigation' derpitudes 'attacker' invariably, INESCAPABLY really means 'attackers other than usg'

00:15:32 mats: i don't have your exhibitionist streak.

00:20:32 mats: this is patent nonsense. do you run your boxes with aslr on? then some classes of exploits usg may use against you could certainly involve rop gadgets. then, 'RAP' may prevent code execution.

00:21:35 mats: look: i get the allergic response. your hyperbole dial is set to 10, however...

00:25:20 mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.

00:27:29 mats: folks reading along, that are having trouble divining the meaning of 'RAP': http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307787

00:27:30 assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 17:26:37; mats: https://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/PaXTeam-H2HC15-RAP-RIP-ROP.pdf

00:33:01 asciilifeform: mats, mircea_popescu: possibly both of you know this, but i am allergic to 'mitigations' largely on account of my profession.

00:33:07 asciilifeform: it is my day job.

00:33:52 asciilifeform: i have russinovich's 'windows internals' on my desk.

00:33:53 asciilifeform: yes.

00:37:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309530 << unlike some other folks, my cock is not plugged into the mains socket, so this doesn't do anything noteworthy.

00:37:13 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:12:05; mats: in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.

00:38:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309534 << do i misunderstand or is this the 'you are too small for them to spend a master key on' 'defence' ?

00:38:12 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:14:05; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.

00:39:07 asciilifeform: now i am not a 'famous & respected' type, so i'm not yet at the 'worth a car bomb' level. but i will confess that i am at the 'disconnected phones at places with no paper association with me ring and ask by name' level.

00:39:09 asciilifeform: fwiw.

00:39:52 shinohai: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/658624900849012737 <<< moar like butthurt in action.

00:40:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309539 << it is because i know what the 'fixes' actually lead to.

00:40:36 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:25:20; mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.

00:40:42 asciilifeform: namely, more of the problem, in spades.

00:47:01 mats: this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways'

00:48:10 asciilifeform: the layering creates the festering gangrene which then requires new layers, etc.

00:48:46 mats: security isn't for the incompetent and poor, yes

00:49:13 asciilifeform: mats: for whom, then ?

00:50:56 mats: those of means, that understand how to layer without creating as many bugs than were presumed to have been squashed

00:51:08 asciilifeform: mats: you do not see complexity per se as a bug ?

00:56:51 mats: its a curve.

00:57:05 mircea_popescu: shinohai lmao nobody gave a shit ?

00:57:12 mircea_popescu: this so reminds me of nefario's "conference"

00:58:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform be that as it may, each and every markslord is more than free to use his resources whichever way he pleases.

00:58:45 asciilifeform: for some odd reason mats reminds me of the articles about the monstrously fat folks that BingoBoingo linked to. the ones where they demand that doctor treat the 1,001 consequences of their 5,000 calorie intake without mentioning the elephant in the room.

00:59:15 mircea_popescu: apparently it's marcher lord in english. anyway

00:59:17 asciilifeform: and yes, if mats wants to be this kind of doctor - not only is he free to, but there is a tremendous bezzle market for the service.

01:01:01 asciilifeform: to the point that being ANY OTHER KIND is something you do under a blanket, at night.

01:01:04 asciilifeform: for no pay.

01:01:06 asciilifeform: as i do here.

01:03:12 asciilifeform: i can't help but wonder what my published work thus far (in re: therealbitcoin, v, etc.) looks like to mats. probably looks like entirely baseless lunacy, like an eiffel tower glued from tongue depressors

01:03:38 mats: idk why you'd think that.

01:04:24 asciilifeform: well, for one thing, i'm not adding layers

01:05:50 phf: jurov: mac os x build of eulora uses clang, there might be some insight in the patches. specifically i go the whole way of patching/making sure it works autoconf for crystal space, which might be necessary to move forward with any sort of linking issues, etc.

01:09:10 jurov: phf i did not even try llvm to eat it whole. first i wanted to try compile eulora into dynamic lib with gcc and link that one to interpreter

01:10:20 jurov: wrote ersatz "mymain" function, but couldn't get ld to place it as exported symbol in that euclient.so, dunno why

01:10:59 jurov: it was alright in .o files and when i linked it all together, ended always in private section

01:12:05 mats: then you should know i respect the work you've done for 'tmsr'. all disagreements about the fabric of the universe, aside.

01:13:57 jurov: mats: you say "there is a curve"... is there any serious reason or data supporting the notion it has maximum where you think it is?

01:14:20 mircea_popescu: more on point : is there any reason you suspect it's either differentiable or even continuous ?

01:14:21 phf: jurov: oh i gave up trying to mix the two, i was getting both linking and runtime issues trying to build c++ with gcc 4.2 and objc with clang.

01:14:28 mircea_popescu: wtf, curve gotta mean somethingh

01:16:15 phf: jurov: making llvm eat the whole is a better way to preserve sanity, because then you're dealing with fixing source, rather then hunting down opaque binary issues.

01:18:33 jurov: what do you mean?

01:19:14 jurov: there are multiple ways to "fix the source" to make ld export symbols, too. but i did not find the right one yet...

01:19:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110502 @ 0.00054661 = 60.4015 BTC [-] {4}

01:20:06 jurov: and did you end up with something that can be released?

01:20:21 jurov: phf: at all?

01:20:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34899 @ 0.00055313 = 19.3037 BTC [+]

01:23:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43770 @ 0.00054467 = 23.8402 BTC [-] {2}

01:28:12 mircea_popescu: iirc it\s in the wiki

01:29:46 phf: jurov: my impression is that linking clang produced object files against gcc objects files results in heisenbugs. making the entire source code work with llvm is essentially going through source and fixing it to conform to clang's expectations.

01:35:15 phf: i think, and it's been a while now, clang and gcc use different versions of libstdc++, even if you can coerce the two to see each others symbols (something i had mixed success with originally) you're than potentially touching in memory objects with methods that have incompatible expectations about what the memory layout of the object actually is

01:36:03 asciilifeform: i must have missed it: what was the motivation for attempting these chimeras ?

01:37:34 mircea_popescu: trying to play eulora.

01:38:26 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/this_time_its_esp.html <<< pretty fucking lulzy. psych journal publishes phys study, everyone misses every point.

01:38:28 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: This Time It's ESP ... ( http://bit.ly/1kP1ig2 )

01:38:28 mircea_popescu: "Exactly. So you should have sent it to the physicists. You know, the ones who work a building over in the same university that you do. That was the whole reason for universities, right?

01:38:28 mircea_popescu: No, I'm a dummy. The purpose of universities is to suck up Stafford loan money. And the purpose of journals is to mark territory, more money in that, like a corporation that spins off a subsidiary. NO CROSS SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION ALLOWED IN SCIENCE, EVER, EXCEPT IN SCIENCE, NATURE, AND THE POPULAR PRESS."

01:38:34 asciilifeform: it needs two compilers to build ?!!

01:39:20 phf: asciilifeform: only if you're trying to be lazy :>

01:40:12 mircea_popescu: lol

01:43:17 phf: asciilifeform: eulora/planeshift/crystalspace combination requires gcc 4.2 to build out of the box, gcc 4.2 is out of sync with current objective c ecosystem. one hacky way to fix the issue is to build objc files with clang and then link it against gcc produced parts. the approach was a deadend, as any sane person would realize

01:43:31 asciilifeform: ah! applism.

01:44:48 asciilifeform: i swore off ever building anything for crapple's gui again after they abolished 'carbon' (their c hooks thing)

01:44:58 mircea_popescu: but people wanna play on macs!

01:45:28 asciilifeform: what if they wanted to play on nintendo ?

01:45:30 asciilifeform: gonna port for it ?

01:45:39 mircea_popescu: i dun see why not.

01:45:44 mats: i don't have a reason i can table for scrutiny, just intuition -- there has been a lot of great work done in recent past that makes it possible to substantially reduce attack surface of e.g. linux, a monster weighing, what, 14mn loc now?

01:46:03 mircea_popescu: actually there's a bunch of people playing on mac

01:46:06 *: mircea_popescu just looked

01:46:07 asciilifeform: mats: why are you convinced that it is actually reduced ?

01:46:21 asciilifeform: rather than enlarged in places where you aren't seeing ?

01:46:34 asciilifeform: (there are, elementarily, a great many new 'places'.)

01:46:44 mircea_popescu: mats you recall the discussion of the "poor tenants" and their proclivity to focus on a single measure to be lied to ?

01:46:53 jurov: asciilifeform: playing requires repetitive actions, and it has binary network protocol... so easiest is try to piggyback bots into existing client

01:46:59 mircea_popescu: or the discussion of the "poor entrepreneurs" and their bizarre notions of equity and dilution ?

01:47:27 mircea_popescu: jurov you actually working on a jurovbot ?

01:47:47 mats: grsec restrictions on 'sysfs' reduces attack surface by mitigating information leak vulnerabilities, for example

01:48:20 jurov: under very relaxed definition of "working on".. just trying misc around

01:48:33 asciilifeform: mats: at what cost?

01:48:38 mats: mircea_popescu: no

01:48:38 asciilifeform: and leaking where?

01:48:42 mats: haven't read

01:48:51 asciilifeform: let me guess, to malicious process

01:48:58 asciilifeform: (why is it on your box to begin with??)

01:49:26 mircea_popescu: well, there's a time for everything.

01:50:45 phf: jurov: so http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X produces a working build, just not something you can upload as an archive, because the links between binaries rely on absolute paths. i think it's possible to go over all of them and replace absolute paths with relative paths using install_name_tool, but i haven't had a chance to try it yet. (just finished moving to DC yesterday, so i've been busy)

01:50:49 assbot: OS X - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmdbo )

01:51:31 jurov: phf, windows and linux builds are likely to depend on absolute paths, too, don't sweat it

01:51:44 jurov: er.. linux not, but windows

01:52:48 phf: jurov: well, i could build eulora into /Applications/Foo.app/... structure, and then require people to install by dropping resulting app into /Applications/ on their machine, but there's no sport in that

01:52:56 jurov: and you may want to get ftp account from mircea in advance, he has very strict security procedures on that

01:53:15 mircea_popescu: i do ?

01:53:20 jurov: i couldn't login via sftp, got banned, etc. took it few days :D

01:53:21 phf: hehe

01:53:43 mircea_popescu: lol well... i think is standard knowledge by now, but if it isn't : do NOT retry that fifth time.

01:53:45 phf: "ftp://upload:password@eulorum.org"? :)

01:53:57 mircea_popescu: if your ssh/sftpd "does not work", just like if your atm pin doesn't work, try twice

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01:54:35 mats: yes, anything not-root doesn't get access to certain things that enable attacker to recon system

01:55:02 mircea_popescu: mats do you understand conceptually what "burning" is ?

01:55:36 mircea_popescu: in a sentence such as "a narrow burn cycle to keep moving the market".

01:59:32 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308991 << had some time to take a closer look and noticed the thing you linked is from Middletown Connecticut (the state in which I live) -- no I do not know those guys, if that's who you meant.

01:59:32 assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 17:00:22; mircea_popescu: i love this chan, there's people in the know on EVERYTHING

02:00:02 mircea_popescu: ah ok

02:01:17 kakobrekla: chan sucks now

02:01:26 danielpbarron: clicking around I found a page on the role of women that isn't totally wrong, but it's in that same 90s style as the one you linked, whereas the root directory is some web 2.0 looking garbage, so I'm not sure if that's still their stance

02:02:51 mircea_popescu: better error messages kakobrekla

02:05:40 danielpbarron: the only church I attended was a sort of basement thing at a neighbor's house, and that was only for a couple years in my mid 20s

02:10:11 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/when_is_it_okay_to_rape_a_woma.html << aaaand tlp singlehandedly sinks the entire "get babes self help" nonsense.

02:10:13 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: When Is It Okay To Rape A Woman? ... ( http://bit.ly/209bKiS )

02:10:15 mircea_popescu: my hat's off.

02:19:59 mats: mircea_popescu: in that sentence, no

02:20:18 mircea_popescu: in the end this might all be about that learning curve / experience after all.

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02:30:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00055159 = 4.1921 BTC [-] {2}

02:32:22 trinque: interesting re: tlp article how the actual "dope" in the wish-fulfillment fantasy is non-obvious to the junkie himself. there's that hindbrain again.

02:34:33 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-10-2015#1309050 << perhaps no thinking man is complete without being able to avoid the failure modes of the ancient parts

02:34:33 assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:28:17; asciilifeform: i've nothing against the hindbrain per se. but it is not the mind. why not call arse and elbow same word also, if we do this ?

02:36:44 trinque: it seems more than that, too, but I continue to digest.

02:38:48 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-10-2015#1307643 << in the case here, somewhere in that lower part of the mind perhaps there is buried revulsion which would serve to make the solution clear.

02:38:48 assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:55:24; *: gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.

02:47:55 BingoBoingo: classic http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/couple_reveals_childs_gender_f.html

02:47:57 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Couple Reveals Child's Gender Five Years Too Late ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6BtTA )

02:49:08 BingoBoingo: "The problem is that the parents already know the sex. They can't unknow it. They aren't acting from no information, they are acting in reaction to the information. They are saying they are raising him gender neutral, but what they are actually doing, precisely, is choosing not to raise him as a boy."

02:49:57 BingoBoingo: "because it shows the hierarchy of power in this woman's mind: she doesn't believe in God, she can overrule biology; but the school system is inviolable."

03:01:18 phf: trinque: adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end << cl-irc is a thin layer on top of irc protocol, so connection state is something you have to handle yourself. connectedp simply queries underlying stream for whether it's still formally open. you have to setup mechanism (say a separate thread) to send PING to the server at a regular

03:01:18 phf: interval to trag lag. if the lag is too high, i.e. pong is not returning after some interval, attempt a reconnect

03:01:34 phf: *to track lag

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03:07:57 BingoBoingo: ^ For the daily chuckle

03:11:21 mircea_popescu: trinque the important part here is this : by the time the ancient parts function in "failure modes", the "life of the mind" is broken beyond comparison.

03:11:53 mircea_popescu: you readily understand this if you think about hardware, which you aren't psychowired to nuttily defend. by the time the bearing audibly rumbles, the fucking software in that car has long been a mess.

03:12:23 mircea_popescu: by the time your cd tray is moving in and out as if possessing a life of its own, the "browser toolbars" are long past the bottom of the monitor.

03:12:23 mircea_popescu: etc.

03:13:06 mircea_popescu: if your "hindbrain" observably malfunctions you've been stupid, insistently, for a long long time.

03:13:42 trinque: indeed

03:15:09 trinque: phf: makes sense; I'll see about that this weekend

03:15:55 BingoBoingo: https://www.tacobell.com/steal-a-breakfast?partnerId=as_mlb_20151028_54562836&adbid=659190778174959616&adbpl=tw&adbpr=28603812 << Everyone in America gets a Free A.M Crunchwrap November 5th. There will be Beetus.

03:15:56 assbot: Steal a Base Steal a Breakfast - Taco Bell ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6DBLg )

03:16:10 mircea_popescu: "I've started a new site, Partial Objects, which is a short form, high post frequency version of TLP, and I'm going to use TLP for longer posts." << gone, sadly.

03:16:52 BingoBoingo: Eh, it wasn't near the same quality

03:16:59 mircea_popescu: a, you saw it ?

03:17:07 mircea_popescu: i'm like, late to all the parties.

03:17:13 BingoBoingo: Way back when

03:17:41 kakobrekla: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://partialobjects.com

03:17:43 assbot: Internet Archive Wayback Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6DHCq )

03:19:52 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/ohio_mom_in_jail_for.html << alsonotbad.

03:19:53 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Ohio Mom In Jail For Sending Kids To The Wrong School ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9op9Q )

03:20:07 mircea_popescu: "Why are you hearing about this story, in this way: "oh my god, those bastards won't even cut a break to a poor black woman?" Because that story simultaneously delivers the government's message: "we don't squander taxpayer resources; we'll fight to protect every dime we can get." The symbiosis between media and politics: the media gets their readers, and the government gets their message relayed to the public. Ther

03:20:07 mircea_popescu: e's no news here, this is propaganda."

03:20:21 mircea_popescu: "Anyone on the outside should be able to see this for what it is: a mafia style protection racket. Pay us. If you pay us, we will protect you from those who... don't pay us."

03:20:28 mircea_popescu: a ty kakobrekla

03:23:15 mircea_popescu: http://web.archive.org/web/20120504055119/http://partialobjects.com/2012/04/inmate-brags-about-how-great-it-is-to-be-in-prison/ etc

03:23:17 assbot: Inmate brags about how great it is to be in prison | Partial Objects ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6E146 )

03:25:35 mircea_popescu: i wonder what became of that whole crew then. there's what, adozen or so people writing ?

03:26:32 mircea_popescu: Recently, a rising Hollywood superstar saved a young woman?s life from an oncoming cab in New York City. Most women would swoon over a guy like this coming into contact with her let alone him being a hero (a real human being) to her. Instead, she revealed a very telling thing about her nature

03:26:33 mircea_popescu: ?But as a feminist, a writer, and a gentlewoman of fortune, I refuse to be cast in any sort of boring supporting female role, even though I have occasional trouble crossing the road, and even though I did swoon the teeniest tiniest bit when I realized it was him. I think that?s lazy storytelling, and I?m sure Ryan Gosling would agree with me.?

03:26:47 mircea_popescu: holy shit, don't save these derps from car crashes, it's immoral not to mention unethical.

03:28:18 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/tech_sunday_william.html << in which tlp knows ssh.

03:28:19 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Tech Sunday: Will.I.Am Gets A Job At Intel ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9pnmj )

03:39:43 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

03:39:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 300.02, vol: 32228.33781101 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 294.464, vol: 11510.23018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 301.16, vol: 33008.299874 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 309.0, vol: 13.06657335 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 307.5215, vol: 58036.45200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 296.0, vol: 248.71157344 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 290.274105482, vol: 159.56766567 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

03:39:54 BingoBoingo: ;;more

03:39:55 gribble: 303.027303434

03:49:12 phf: trinque: http://paste.lisp.org/display/157633 untested, but that's the general idea

03:49:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9rDdm )

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04:01:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61247 @ 0.00055414 = 33.9394 BTC [+]

04:02:50 BingoBoingo: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/27/kung-fu-blue-california-police-officers-nunchuks

04:02:51 assbot: Martial law: California police officers to be equipped with nunchuks | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ms2nGK )

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04:36:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75700 @ 0.00055193 = 41.7811 BTC [-]

04:36:55 mircea_popescu: "every time history repeats itself, the price goes up."

04:39:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64874 @ 0.00055191 = 35.8046 BTC [-] {3}

04:44:21 mircea_popescu: "An observation: Sheen went publicly insane early last week. It wasn't until this Tuesday night, after Extra and Today started showing the goddesses, that the court ordered an extraction team to medivac his kids. He's had a week of full on insanity, 20/20 had an entire crew in his house last Saturday, Radar was in there all day and no one felt obligated to rescue the children, but go on TV and publicly say you like mu

04:44:21 mircea_popescu: ltiple vaginas and they put your name on a database. No more interstate travel for you."

04:44:24 mircea_popescu: i...lollered.

04:44:58 mircea_popescu: oh and also,

04:44:58 mircea_popescu: "The only thing you're never supposed to do in psychiatry is offer an opinion without conducting a full psychiatric examination, they're very emphatic about this, which is weird because half your grade on the psychiatric board exam comes from diagnosing a guy in a 10 minute video clip from 1977. (Academic dishonesty spoiler alert: he has OCD.) "

05:44:26 mircea_popescu: "The first step is to make the other person feel important, that she has been heard. She's upset, so you assure her that you're going to take on her level of intensity to handle the situation, you will make it as much of a priority for you as it obviously is for her"

05:44:33 mircea_popescu: aaahahahaha. tlp is an idiot now!

05:44:58 mircea_popescu: what the fuck, empowering the michael moore strategy, "you're a fucking nobody trying to appear important and we're going to take you seriously!" ? fuck that shit.

05:46:32 mircea_popescu: "Finally, in every conflict, the ones you can win and the ones you can't, unless you really want to fight you must always give the other person a saving-face way to back down. No one, especially nowadays, wants to walk away in shame, they'd rather die, or kill you. Angry Mom stupidly made this public, and so she has no way to back down unless you, as the more powerful person, the one with understanding, give her one

05:46:32 mircea_popescu: ."

05:46:33 mircea_popescu: mno.

05:46:50 mircea_popescu: sometimes people just don't get what they want. and in THEIR case, it's all the time anyway, so best be well used to it.

05:48:30 mircea_popescu: often the correct solution is the one daphna waxman met ; invent an exquisite, heretofore ~inimaginable~ EVEN MORE humiliating retreat, and let them chose the shameful retreat they weren't originally going to choose, and be thankful for it.

05:48:37 mircea_popescu: overton window for retards.

06:03:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42546 @ 0.0005519 = 23.4811 BTC [-] {2}

06:08:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25688 @ 0.00055435 = 14.2401 BTC [+] {2}

06:09:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00055438 = 13.3606 BTC [+]

06:10:02 mircea_popescu: heh. "But now all sorts of well-established, multiply confirmed findings have started to look increasingly uncertain. It's as if our facts were losing their truth: claims that have been enshrined in textbooks are suddenly unprovable. This phenomenon doesn't yet have an official name, but it's occurring across a wide range of fields, from psychology to ecology."

06:10:18 mircea_popescu: supposedly "decline effect", http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html

06:10:19 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Decline Effect Is Stupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FngU )

06:10:58 mircea_popescu: in fact it's just that "psychology" or "ecology" ARE NOT FIELDS. they do not produce valid science. they never have. yes, they churn out "studies". those studies have no scientific value, and no importance whatsoever past their PSEUDOscientific value.

06:11:16 mircea_popescu: neither my e nor my planck constant have "declined" over time.

06:14:19 mircea_popescu: (turns out tlp says the exact same thing in more words. hurray for blogging.)

06:19:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00055437 = 7.1237 BTC [-] {2}

06:23:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108100 @ 0.00055451 = 59.9425 BTC [+] {4}

06:26:39 BingoBoingo: Could be dementia setting in

06:27:13 mircea_popescu: in me or in him ?

06:27:25 BingoBoingo: him

06:27:35 BingoBoingo: about the right age with his drinking

06:28:02 mircea_popescu: heh. should have another good decade i figure.

06:29:38 BingoBoingo: Depends on his consumption. Also the early stages can be subtle.

06:29:59 mircea_popescu: how's the rum treatin' ya, anyways ?

06:30:29 BingoBoingo: Actually went to a meeting tonight. Was gifted a book of extraordinary size.

06:31:00 mircea_popescu: folio ?

06:31:18 BingoBoingo: Nah, more like a bible, but printed on real paper

06:31:36 mircea_popescu: http://www.carti-online.com/images/george-calinescu-istoria-literaturii-romane-de-la-origini-pana-in-prezent-3674.jpg << largest b ook i ever owned.

06:31:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6GEob )

06:31:46 mircea_popescu: literally folio size, it's a good foot tall

06:32:08 BingoBoingo: Not literally huge. Just size is a part of its common name.

06:33:00 mircea_popescu: 34x26 cm, turns out.

06:33:13 mircea_popescu: foot and two inches.

06:33:19 BingoBoingo: Damn that's big

06:34:15 mircea_popescu: the literature it discusses isn't that big.

06:35:09 BingoBoingo: Aha, big in all the wrong places

06:35:54 BingoBoingo: Also, BitBet trusts Disney as a resolution source? https://bitbet.us/bet/1218/luke-skywalker-turns-to-the-dark-side-in/

06:35:55 assbot: BitBet - Luke Skywalker Turns To The Dark Side In Episode VII :: 0.16 B (73%) on Yes, 0.06 B (27%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 99`761 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LBhiep )

06:37:29 mircea_popescu: mod also asked. i ok'd it. whatevs, people who wanna bet on derpy us movies deserve whatever they get.

06:38:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, the cuminal. http://thefemalecuntainer3.tumblr.com/post/119674246703/more-of-this-excellent-idea

06:38:16 assbot: Three holes on two legs with one purpose — More of this excellent idea ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6HmBK )

06:39:23 BingoBoingo: I kinda thought about tossing a couple pennies at it, but there's gotta be more interesting stuff in the future.

06:44:33 mircea_popescu: hm, anyone here actually has a steam account ?

06:45:44 BingoBoingo: I think I had one at some point, but I've changed email addresses so many times likely unrecoverable.

06:46:09 mircea_popescu: aha

06:46:12 mircea_popescu: !s steam

06:46:13 assbot: 213 results for 'steam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steam

06:47:30 mircea_popescu: incidentally let's ask phf the question too. hey, dja have any idea how to package c++ for steam ?

06:48:28 mircea_popescu: seems rather typical / indicative that most references to steam have nothing to do with the platform.

06:50:51 BingoBoingo: The energy transmission medium is the greater thing that name is attached to.

06:54:03 mircea_popescu: well, it does own google for its own name, at least.

06:55:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you still have a tardstalk acct ?

06:55:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to do a password reset. I'd rather just leave it abandoned.

06:55:41 mircea_popescu: kay.

06:55:49 mircea_popescu: tards just can't catch a break, can they.

06:55:54 BingoBoingo: Nope.

06:56:16 BingoBoingo: But seriously steam, the power transmission medium doesn't measure on Google?

06:56:20 BingoBoingo: Fuck google

06:57:06 mircea_popescu: unrelated, http://36.media.tumblr.com/11f168f56d1824a1bc9eade50e971c28/tumblr_noklf43dfS1utlf6uo1_1280.jpg

06:57:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6IMwf )

07:07:39 mircea_popescu: but anyway - eulora needs more noobs. gotta find them somehow.

07:08:49 mircea_popescu: !up disident

07:14:20 BingoBoingo: NSFL >> https://i.imgur.com/yvXCmqw.jpg

07:14:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6KZrq )

07:20:31 BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/3W6R9mI << Loonies are crashing, safe for life

07:20:32 assbot: Plummeting Loonie means Bitcoin above $400 in Canada! Yay! - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6LxNV )

07:26:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00055207 = 32.9034 BTC [-]

07:27:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51230 @ 0.00055493 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2}

07:28:50 mircea_popescu: https://boingboing.net/2014/12/31/how-imageboard-culture-shaped.html << shockingly, something intelligent on boing boing!

07:28:51 assbot: How imageboard culture shaped Gamergate / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6MB4m )

07:29:28 mircea_popescu: "This tension in anon culture, that every single person is empowered by the whole of the group and thus merits treatment as a peer, turns these individual hostile challenges into a storm of entitled demands for attention. Anons see themselves as peers to everyone, empowered by the support of the group, and thus entitled to participate in any conversation they aren?t forcibly prevented from entering."

07:30:55 mircea_popescu: "This makes anons perfect cover for harassers. Not being willing to accept bad faith arguments on their own terms and debate them as if they merited a response is seen as proof of the weakness of your arguments." except all bad arguments can be reduced by reference and demolished in their own terms. an INABILITY to do so speaks to the poor intellectual capacity of the unable, and it is in fact prima facie evidence that

07:30:55 mircea_popescu: whatsoever ELSE they might have produced is probably as stupid as they are.

07:35:45 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b23

07:39:32 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

07:39:33 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 300.11, Best ask: 300.14, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 300.14, 24 hour volume: 32739.71401497, 24 hour low: 288.3, 24 hour high: 303.68, 24 hour vwap: None

07:39:35 mircea_popescu: o hey.

07:39:46 mircea_popescu: resistance dead huh.

07:40:28 BingoBoingo: It's too early for me to call it.

07:43:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00055276 = 39.9645 BTC [-] {2}

07:46:48 mircea_popescu: unrelated to $300 btc, http://31.media.tumblr.com/02164d3f429182aea5bee2654d0af257/tumblr_njtof1fka01tonrdjo5_r1_500.gif

07:46:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6Oj5R )

08:06:16 mircea_popescu: !up stefek99

08:30:25 punkman: http://www.fsix.es/files/gimgs/42_Spankzor.jpg

08:30:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQ8nJP )

08:30:49 *: mircea_popescu joined some random other channels

08:30:56 *: mircea_popescu ran away screaming

08:31:00 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck people are retarded.

08:31:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63191 @ 0.00055276 = 34.9295 BTC [-]

08:44:26 punkman: http://www.fsix.es/files/gimgs/46_archivist2.jpg

08:44:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhMkVU )

09:01:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00055316 = 19.3606 BTC [+]

09:08:48 mircea_popescu: in other news, who's afraid of spiders ? http://40.media.tumblr.com/57b2db90fb46993d824204c0303dbc1a/tumblr_nlokkgstaM1qdla40o1_1280.jpg

09:08:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N73Gtq )

09:14:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00055316 = 18.4479 BTC [+]

09:21:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00055316 = 13.0269 BTC [+]

09:26:46 BingoBoingo: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/10/28/0210212/pentagon-picks-northrup-grumman-for-next-gen-bomber

09:26:48 assbot: Pentagon Picks Northrup Grumman For Next Gen Bomber - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1N75bYT )

09:27:15 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSWfdHLWUAE52P2.png:large

09:27:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N75djc )

09:27:25 mircea_popescu: heh

09:27:28 mircea_popescu: hehehehehe

09:27:42 mircea_popescu: bomber-submarine ?

09:28:42 BingoBoingo: lol

09:29:52 punkman: "The cryptographic flaw enabled an eavesdropper to exploit all Top Secret data flowing thorough the "crown jewel systems" of U.S. Encryption called the KG-13. An immediately and emergency modification to the circuits of the Koken stages resolved this matter, but not after it have been in place for over 20 years, and we had been leaking classified intelligence to the Russians."

09:34:37 punkman: dat cv https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson

09:34:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOBkx )

09:35:12 punkman: you know, hamplanets have a lot of room for explosive implants

09:54:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00055316 = 35.4299 BTC [+]

09:57:48 davout: thestringpuller: http://dpaste.com/10A56AQ.txt

09:57:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N780sS )

10:08:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11015 @ 0.00055276 = 6.0887 BTC [-]

10:13:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76450 @ 0.00055318 = 42.2906 BTC [+] {2}

10:28:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11058 @ 0.0005532 = 6.1173 BTC [+]

10:36:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46515 @ 0.00055243 = 25.6963 BTC [-] {4}

10:56:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00055182 = 33.6058 BTC [-]

11:15:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00055182 = 21.6589 BTC [-]

11:17:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67950 @ 0.00055168 = 37.4867 BTC [-] {2}

11:24:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00055321 = 21.7412 BTC [+] {3}

11:31:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00055132 = 24.8094 BTC [-] {2}

11:40:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00055079 = 34.8925 BTC [-] {2}

11:46:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69492 @ 0.00055358 = 38.4694 BTC [+] {2}

11:47:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6058 @ 0.00055504 = 3.3624 BTC [+] {3}

11:55:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00055099 = 14.9869 BTC [-] {2}

12:45:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35013 @ 0.00055093 = 19.2897 BTC [-] {2}

12:54:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192116 @ 0.00055535 = 106.6916 BTC [+] {7}

13:08:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39538 @ 0.00055733 = 22.0357 BTC [+] {2}

13:29:35 gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309423 << lol, pocket change is not "doing well". i need to liquidate anything & everything besides top earners and stash it into bitcoin & mpex, i don't want to try to solve an already solved problem

13:29:35 assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 22:51:39; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-10-2015#1304851 << someone's doing well by translating fraudsters eh

13:30:37 gabrielradio: i should probably use more than one address for receiving, shouldn't i

13:34:41 *: gabrielradio realises the extent of his noobness, is going to work diligently towards getting out of it

13:40:56 punkman: gabrielradio: what do you do besides translating?

13:44:26 mircea_popescu: gabrielradio hey, you play video games ?

13:45:19 gabrielradio: sports betting is my thing

13:45:30 gabrielradio: mircea_popescu, not really

13:45:47 mircea_popescu: aha

13:45:56 gabrielradio: sports betting, but i try to approach it systematically. i have some guys analysing the games

13:46:08 gabrielradio: i pay for their service and place the bets

13:46:40 punkman: soccer?

13:46:53 mircea_popescu: interesting.

13:46:54 gabrielradio: soccer too, yea.

13:47:01 gabrielradio: american sports

13:47:20 gabrielradio: australian. basically market where there's value

13:47:44 gabrielradio: *any market

13:49:32 gabrielradio: main idea behind the whole thing is that bookies need to give odds for every possible game out there. instead, you only need to identify a few where they got it wrong

13:50:32 mircea_popescu: bitbet might be an opportunity for you to play the reverse.

13:50:42 mircea_popescu: it's been looking for bookies to push lines since forever, basically.

13:53:10 gabrielradio: i thought your stance was that bitbet wasn't really interested in sports betting

13:54:51 gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309860 << re. eulora? i was interested in giving it a go

13:54:51 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 13:44:26; mircea_popescu: gabrielradio hey, you play video games ?

13:56:34 mircea_popescu: re bets : it is, provided you actually got a bankroll for em.

13:56:41 mircea_popescu: re eulora : http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora

13:56:44 assbot: Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYPP8N )

13:56:47 mircea_popescu: i'll make you an acct once you get it running.

14:00:10 gabrielradio: cool, i'll be on it today

14:02:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18714 @ 0.00055058 = 10.3036 BTC [-] {2}

14:03:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34286 @ 0.00055049 = 18.8741 BTC [-]

14:04:34 thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo you able to process that article yet?

14:04:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:56:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72437 @ 0.00055045 = 39.8729 BTC [-] {3}

15:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100250 @ 0.00055043 = 55.1806 BTC [-]

15:42:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00055043 = 3.798 BTC [-]

15:46:29 PeterL: mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx?

15:55:04 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b38

16:07:50 lobbes: !s Xotica

16:07:51 assbot: 1 results for 'Xotica' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Xotica

16:10:46 PeterL: naphex's thing, what was it called?

16:11:18 PeterL: xotika.tv

16:22:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4728 @ 0.00055043 = 2.6024 BTC [-]

16:29:12 funkenstein_: http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/282/1818/20151682 <-- reminded me of that great eugenics article I read recently ;)

16:29:15 assbot: Polyspermy in birds: sperm numbers and embryo survival | Proceedings of the Royal Society of London B: Biological Sciences ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFIKUo )

16:30:06 funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory

16:30:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39174 @ 0.00055588 = 21.776 BTC [+] {2}

16:32:27 funkenstein_: *tree

16:34:18 funkenstein_: so.. what exactly was meant by "forgetting the key" if one were to say, discard a vpatch / sig combo?

16:34:56 PeterL: remove your key from the keys dir, so nothing you publish would be allowed in

16:36:04 funkenstein_: wouldn't it only be allowed in if you put it in explicitly?

16:36:40 funkenstein_: i was under the impression that part of the advantage here was having extensibility, pick and choose capability of what patches to use

16:46:13 funkenstein_: might be worth noting that following mod6 v0.0.3: Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch will be doing the diff one dir up from the source

16:46:21 funkenstein_: *vdiff

16:46:38 funkenstein_: whereas all the other patches are made from outside the "bitcoin" directory

16:47:19 funkenstein_: of course V still can be used in either case to apply any patch you like made from anywhere, just a minor annoyance

16:51:03 Naphex: PeterL: it's coming

16:51:14 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:52:35 *: mod6 looks

16:53:25 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309899 << i originally wanted to build vdiff into v proper, but decided against it, for simplicity.

16:53:25 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 16:30:06; funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory

16:53:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143400 @ 0.00055733 = 79.9211 BTC [+] {6}

16:54:09 ascii_field: the important thing is that v (at least my version) has no notion of 'current checkout' or whatnot.

16:54:27 mod6: funkenstein_: so the guide basically wants you to do this:

16:54:34 mod6: cp -pr bitcoin a && cp -pr bitcoin b

16:54:39 mod6: then make your changes in b

16:54:56 mod6: then

16:55:01 mod6: vdiff.sh a b > your_patch_name.vpatch

16:55:14 mod6: that should give exactly the basing that you need.

16:56:05 ascii_field: funkenstein_: i recommend dpasting your patch for review before signing formally

16:56:14 mod6: i guess i should note that you should run this step first: mkdir -p a b

16:56:53 mod6: then you copy in a "pressed" version or "branch" into a & b, make your changes in b, then vdiff, all should be happy.

16:57:53 funkenstein_: my mistake was that inside a & b were: COPYING and /src directory

16:58:04 funkenstein_: instead of a single directory "bitcoin" with that in it

16:58:29 mod6: yup, no prob -- glad you asked.

16:58:53 mod6: don't hesitate if you hit any other bumps in the road :]

17:00:10 funkenstein_: ascii_field, I will do so thanks.

17:15:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16013 @ 0.00055773 = 8.9309 BTC [+] {2}

17:36:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43063 @ 0.00055773 = 24.0175 BTC [+] {2}

17:41:39 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:41:51 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 'Turns out that the grapics chips required a binary blob so we decided to drop supporting Lemote, they are just not getting the point. Mixing an open source CPU with an evil graphics chip is just retarded.'

17:41:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:42:11 ascii_field: RIP closest-thing-to-chinese-workstation-cpu.

17:42:46 *: ascii_field tried FOR YEARS to buy JUST ONE, never succeeded

17:47:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135903 @ 0.00055764 = 75.7849 BTC [-] {8}

17:48:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65087 @ 0.00055755 = 36.2893 BTC [-]

18:04:00 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the fucking blimp broke loose. https://twitter.com/jmvfc8/status/659415973699670016/photo/1

18:04:02 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:04:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70551 @ 0.00055547 = 39.189 BTC [-] {3}

18:06:28 ascii_field: see also http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/federal-workplace/bs-md-blimps-20150924-story.html

18:06:29 assbot: Seventeen years and $2.7 billion in, Pentagon&apos;s high-tech blimps fail to deliver on promise - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1kb0Sjz )

18:10:09 phf: mircea_popescu: afaiu, steam now funnels all indie submissions through "steam greenlight". you list your game for $100 fee, description, screenshots, gameplay videos, demos, etc. and the commoonity votes on whether or not they would want to see it in the store. they explicitly mention that for free games any sort of in game payments must been done exclusively through "steam wallet". the technical side involves integrating their

18:10:09 phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.

18:13:22 thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform

18:13:49 thestringpuller: but it's saved a lot of publishers from bankrupcy in the last 5 years or so.

18:15:48 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:15:53 ascii_field: it's a kolhoz.

18:16:06 ascii_field: exactly like apple's appstore, etc.

18:16:25 ascii_field: saved from bankruptcy, yes, but now you are in a kolhoz.

18:17:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83372 @ 0.00055043 = 45.8904 BTC [-] {4}

18:18:43 thestringpuller: well maybe in app store, [other defacto walled garden here]. Steam is more of a distribution platform rather than a true walled garden.

18:22:49 thestringpuller: ascii_field: from your perspective it would seem this has been going on in video games since the 80's

18:23:11 thestringpuller: Nintendo was very much a walled garden distribution center for the NES/Famicom

18:23:43 thestringpuller: one required "the nintendo seal of approval" to appear on a nintendo console and it usually saved developers/publishers since consumers at that shit up

18:23:48 thestringpuller: Steam is no different imo

18:26:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46450 @ 0.00054955 = 25.5266 BTC [-] {3}

18:30:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60050 @ 0.00055381 = 33.2563 BTC [+] {2}

18:37:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72700 @ 0.00054808 = 39.8454 BTC [-] {5}

18:40:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309890 << notyet. ohai Naphex ?

18:40:19 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 15:46:29; PeterL: mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx?

18:41:26 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha they lost their goodyear ?

18:41:38 ascii_field: $1B radar aerostat.

18:41:45 ascii_field: it was in the logz on a few occasions

18:42:02 ascii_field: surveilled wash., d.c. region

18:42:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309923 <<< probably good policy for everyone on their first/first few

18:42:38 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 16:56:05; ascii_field: funkenstein_: i recommend dpasting your patch for review before signing formally

18:42:48 mircea_popescu: ascii_field aha. pretty lulzy.

18:43:04 mircea_popescu: i suppose if you find it, take extensive pics and blog them you're a terrorist, right ?

18:43:15 ascii_field: naturally.

18:44:06 ascii_field: last i hear it was found, floating in pennsylvania, somewhere.

18:44:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309946 << i dun have a problem paying for their tits, whatevs. the issue is the "integrating sdk" whatever.

18:44:24 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 18:10:09; phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.

18:44:52 mircea_popescu: currently there is no official way to buy eulora anything anywya. you want to, gotta find a player that does it.

18:45:03 mircea_popescu: my subversion of the modes of ustardism is quite strong and well constructed.

18:45:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309947 << issues of least concern. they can keep 100% for all i care.

18:45:36 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 18:13:22; thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform

18:45:49 mircea_popescu: (i also won't be setting up any sort of payment anything)

18:47:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66540 @ 0.00055381 = 36.8505 BTC [+] {2}

18:48:13 phf: is there already an adhoc way to pay you btc to buy in game currency?

18:48:30 mircea_popescu: yes

18:48:36 mircea_popescu: but you'd be paying jurov.

18:48:54 mircea_popescu: ie, gotta buy it from players.

18:48:58 phf: right

18:49:18 mircea_popescu: keeps inflation in check at any rate.

18:49:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: don't think steam is practical for eulora.

18:49:33 diametric: http://abc27.com/2015/10/28/runaway-blimp-crosses-lancaster-county/

18:49:34 assbot: Runaway military blimp floats over Pennsylvania ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9IRhg )

18:49:34 mircea_popescu: on the basis of what ?

18:50:03 diametric: "It was floating northeast at around 30 mph. Authorities said it is equipped with a device to slowly deflate it, but it apparently is not working."

18:50:36 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: steam is like the facebook of gaming. out of all the games people download from steam they play a small percent of them.

18:50:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00055788 = 21.1437 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:54 thestringpuller: for instance during a steam sale, people will get like 50 games and play maybe 5

18:51:23 mircea_popescu: not like it costs me anything.

18:54:09 thestringpuller: true. what about n00b events?

18:55:46 mircea_popescu: o look who's here.

18:55:49 mircea_popescu: !up princessnell

18:55:54 princessnell: hiya

18:56:00 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller noobs get freebies as it is.

18:56:06 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:56:10 ascii_field: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbJYYkXIAAHvZq.jpg

18:56:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gHDU )

18:56:20 mircea_popescu: kinda designed for noobs to make a killing really.

18:56:48 ascii_field: but moreover, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbK0soWsAAU8vb.png

18:56:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gMr3 )

18:57:08 mircea_popescu: lol

18:57:13 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: definitely, but for instance discovery quests, stuff that involves story etc.

18:57:19 mircea_popescu: dja play the vidya, princessnell ?

18:57:29 princessnell: which one?

18:57:34 mircea_popescu: eulora, ofcourse!

18:57:49 ascii_field: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbO-9UVAAA6mZ5.jpg << moar.

18:57:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gPmU )

18:57:59 princessnell: no, but i will now

18:58:13 mircea_popescu: cool.

18:58:23 mircea_popescu: check it out, eulora has like the best f:m ratio in all gaming.

19:00:51 princessnell: really? better than candy crush?

19:00:55 thestringpuller: XD

19:01:02 mircea_popescu: princessnell actual majority, yo.

19:01:55 *: mircea_popescu has been confiscating slave's pad, surrepetitiously playing candy crush!

19:01:57 mircea_popescu: no homo.

19:02:20 mircea_popescu: just... ecclectic, let's call sluttery thus.

19:04:51 kakobrekla: ;;google candy crush

19:04:51 gribble: Candy Crush Saga - King: http://candycrushsaga.com/; Candy Crush Saga on the App Store - iTunes - Apple: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/candy-crush-saga/id553834731?mt=8; Candy Crush Saga Online - Play the game at King.com: https://king.com/#!/play/candycrush

19:05:18 kakobrekla: meh

19:05:34 mircea_popescu: quarter billion / year, most of the uk economy, yo.

19:05:54 mircea_popescu: all they got is this and fish/chips. who the fuck eats fish&chips.

19:06:10 kakobrekla: o/

19:11:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55660 @ 0.00055529 = 30.9074 BTC [-] {2}

19:14:48 punkman: "Looking for somebody who is fuzzing 64-bit #Chrome on a 1Gb Win7 VM with crash reporting turned on; @ChromiumDev are not happy w/ the noise"

19:15:07 mircea_popescu: hahaha what!

19:15:30 ascii_field: l0l!!

19:15:36 mircea_popescu: check it out - disaster mitigation created a ddos avenue

19:15:40 *: mircea_popescu waves at mats.

19:26:55 punkman: pretty cheap eh http://www.amazon.com/Callebaut-Chocolate-Block-Semisweet-53-8%25/dp/B005IOXBY0/

19:27:01 assbot: Amazon.com : Callebaut Chocolate Block Semisweet 53.8% cocoa 5 kilo / 11 lbs : Baking Chocolates : Grocery & Gourmet Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2iBo7 )

19:27:08 *: punkman is chipping away at a big piece

19:34:46 punkman: http://niquette.com/books/101words/relatshp.htm

19:34:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KG9sw8 )

19:37:09 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:37:52 ascii_field: https://twitter.com/AndyMehalshick/status/659448818241548288

19:38:10 ascii_field: ^ balloon tether shorting out power lines as it goes

19:39:03 punkman: "Hi Andy - can MSNBC use this photo? Thanks in advance." "Hi Andy, can we (bostonglobe) use this photo?"

19:42:43 punkman: "we don't have any money, but surely you want fame for 15 milliseconds"

20:00:21 mircea_popescu: heh

20:00:43 mircea_popescu: "you can, but you may not."?

20:01:03 mircea_popescu: nobody actually remembers 2ndary level english do they.

20:01:34 mircea_popescu: what if they weren't journos but "scientists", "hi andy, division is commutative ok ?"

20:05:22 deedbot-: [Qntra] Billion Dollar Blimp Brings Destruction - http://qntra.net/2015/10/billion-dollar-blimp-brings-destruction/

20:09:04 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:09:16 BingoBoingo: Did I win the Titling Title?

20:09:17 punkman: mircea_popescu: Andy's also a journo, so probably not even Andy's photo

20:09:41 punkman: BingoBoingo: if you change the last word

20:09:54 BingoBoingo: To?

20:10:03 punkman: bedlam?

20:10:21 BingoBoingo: Bedlam doesn't imply broken things though.

20:10:39 BingoBoingo: Anyways, You can't do run-on alliteration

20:11:02 BingoBoingo: Breaking the alliteration there emphasizes Destruction

20:12:16 punkman: speaking of titles http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Meerkat-Expert-Allegedly-Attacked-Monkey-Handler-With-Wine-Glass-Over-Llama-Keeper-333092291.html

20:12:59 BingoBoingo: K maybe that beat it

20:13:27 mircea_popescu: dingoboingo : billion dollar blimp destroys beryland

20:15:03 punkman: my entry: billion dollar blimp blown with the wind

20:15:18 thestringpuller: ^

20:15:40 mircea_popescu: "A former meerkat expert at London Zoo has been ordered to pay compensation to a monkey handler she attacked with a wine glass in a love spat over a llama-keeper."

20:15:42 mircea_popescu: ok, that's good.

20:15:47 mircea_popescu: A judge at Westminster Magistrates' Court said Wednesday that Caroline Westlake must pay 800 pounds ($1,235) to Kate Sanders for assaulting her in a dispute over colleague Adam Davies, who had dated both women.

20:15:51 mircea_popescu: !up ether_

20:16:03 ether_: mircea

20:16:38 mircea_popescu: aha

20:17:01 ether_: mircea i have a question for you

20:17:07 mircea_popescu: don't ask to ask.

20:17:53 ether_: Just mentioned it because I send it as a PM.

20:18:16 mircea_popescu: don't do that, either.

20:18:52 ether_: O, well. Quesiton is; are you still selling ether?

20:19:18 mircea_popescu: the current avenue for the general public to take positions on that scam would be https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/

20:19:19 assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (35%) on Yes, 135.94 B (65%) on No | closing in 1 month 4 days | weight: 49`754 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )

20:20:21 BingoBoingo: "n a nut shell postmodern American politics amounts to physically obese liberal poor attacking the mentally obese conservative middle class" << http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3176

20:20:22 assbot: JL: ‘What Are Your Politics?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9TkJs )

20:20:25 ether_: i found an article that mentioned i need to contact you via this chat to purchase etherum :s

20:21:08 BingoBoingo: ether_: Wasn't that an old, expired offer?

20:21:17 mircea_popescu: there was an open offer for a long time. none of the sort of starstruck noob that falls for scamcoins with some regularity had enough btc to actually take a position, with one exception. that dude then managed to lose his key.

20:21:37 mircea_popescu: it really put the kaibosh on dealing with nobodies.

20:21:45 mircea_popescu: you wanna trade and shit, get into the wot.

20:21:59 ether_: O well, I just read some news article about how microsoft is going to use ether for a new service, so I wanted to buy a few thousand just in case.

20:22:17 mircea_popescu: see above.

20:23:04 mircea_popescu: 2:1 should be enough for anyone.

20:23:29 ether_: anyway, this is where i found the article, maybe contact them to have it removed/updated: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/

20:23:31 assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTGPjz )

20:23:42 punkman: man, I always have to reread that bet to remember what Yes side means

20:24:16 davout: punkman: yes is consent, easy yo

20:24:20 davout: no is raep

20:24:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18175 @ 0.00054786 = 9.9574 BTC [-] {3}

20:24:31 mircea_popescu: i thought no was anal.

20:25:24 ether_: i guess i will refrain from buying ether then. anyone here invested in other coin other than btc?

20:25:25 davout: no, "please let me sleep" is anal

20:25:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23275 @ 0.00054467 = 12.6772 BTC [-]

20:25:59 mircea_popescu: try #altcoin-assets.

20:26:01 davout: also, good evening :D

20:26:11 mircea_popescu: hola frenchie.

20:26:35 davout: re alt chans, looks like jurov left #bitcoin-anal

20:28:36 mircea_popescu: this chan doesn't troll worth a shit ;/

20:30:32 davout: did -assets ever discuss deterministic ECDSA signatures for transactions?

20:30:48 punkman: davout: ye

20:31:02 davout: !ecdsa signatures

20:31:03 mircea_popescu: iirc we hated them

20:31:06 davout: !s ecdsa signatures

20:31:07 assbot: 6 results for 'ecdsa signatures' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ecdsa+signatures

20:32:38 mircea_popescu: davout how do i get you to actually try zee eulora ?

20:34:14 davout: i guess the more you wait, the closer the probability of me trying it approaches 1 :D

20:34:30 davout: i do want to try it though

20:34:35 davout: on one hand

20:34:50 jurov: davout you keep tabs on me? does that mean anything?

20:35:18 davout: jurov: i keep tabs on everyone, you're not special!

20:35:54 davout: i kindof remember you being there like what, a year ago, maybe i'm mistaken

20:36:17 davout: re eulora i'm kinda scared of getting addicted to video games

20:36:22 davout: on the other hand

20:36:34 mircea_popescu: this one is practically crack. the people who play it play it like 20 hours/day

20:36:42 mircea_popescu: the people who don't play it... don't play it yet.

20:39:23 ascii_field: speaking of ecdsa,

20:39:26 ascii_field: http://resetprinters.net/how-to-downgrade-firmware-version-of-samsung-printer.html << this exists.

20:39:28 assbot: How to downgrade firmware version of Samsung printer | Reset Printers/Copiers ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiclPQ )

20:39:47 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:41:58 punkman: ascii_field: but why?

20:42:26 ascii_field: http://www.alex-banzai.net/index.php?action=forum&theme=768 << ru guide to same.

20:42:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WicAu6 )

20:42:52 ascii_field: punkman: 'rights management' aka 'you think you bought this printer but you actually bought the right to print 2000 pages and throw it out'

20:43:27 davout: this is kinda old isn't it?

20:44:12 ascii_field: davout: this kind of braindamage has been around for some years, yes. but until now i did not know that it has reached the point where you have to patch ~the printer itself~ rather than merely the eeprom in the cartridge.

20:44:26 davout: iirc there was some guy that demonstrated that indeed, printers would seppuku after X printed pages by doing exactly that, showing that by re-programming it, the 'broken' printer came back to life

20:44:40 ascii_field: as in IT WON'T PRINT unless the two agree and crypto-handshake etc.

20:45:05 punkman: "Your Printer has stopped? Waste Ink Pads counter overflow? Want to go to Canon Customer Service? Want give them $50? DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME and MONEY – RESET YOUR PRINTERS YOURSELF"

20:45:09 davout: aha, so far i thought it was limited to a simple counter in the printer itself

20:45:39 ascii_field: davout: apparently not any longer.

20:45:44 davout: in the same vein "oh you plugged this no-brand iphone cable in? not certified by apple? fuck you bitch, i'm not charging"

20:45:50 vulpes_a_hopital: lovely logs, all.

20:46:01 ascii_field: davout: now there's proprietary crud in the cartridge ~and~ the printer that rsa to one another.

20:46:19 vulpes_a_hopital: 42 2/7

20:46:24 *: vulpes_a_hopital off again

20:46:41 ascii_field: what's that

20:46:56 davout: trusted printing, sounds like a cool application for blawkchain technologee

20:47:58 ascii_field: can't wait for trusted shitting

20:48:07 ascii_field: 1,001 shits and toilet cements itself shut.

20:48:15 ascii_field: and will report you, terrorist, if you tamper.

20:48:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/serena-williams-is-dating-alexis-ohanian-the-co-founder-of-reddit-20152810 << Reddit lolz

20:48:42 assbot: Serena Williams Is Dating Alexis Ohanian, the Co-Founder of Reddit - Us Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1ij6h6R )

20:48:55 davout: "would you download a car??"

20:49:11 ascii_field: 'i would if i could, motherfuckers'

20:50:37 davout: i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough

20:51:08 ascii_field: l0l

20:51:11 ascii_field: print me a light bulb.

20:51:49 BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/a/WDwyW

20:51:49 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wiebjr )

20:52:20 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: tldr

20:52:46 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's for the cockroach-ologists

20:53:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00054988 = 10.3652 BTC [+]

20:54:40 mircea_popescu: o hey, is it the vulception vulpes_a_hopital ?

20:55:24 BingoBoingo: Imma guess

20:55:27 BingoBoingo: so

20:55:50 BingoBoingo: that or a twee portland bicycle on bicycle accident

20:55:55 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

20:56:54 mircea_popescu: <davout> i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough << when i was a kid there was a 1hour midnight show that actually played z80 tapes

20:57:07 *: ascii_field recalls this from the logz

20:57:29 mircea_popescu: a yea, must have mentioned

20:58:11 *: jurov stopped at "so we vibing over our hoeism or whatevs"

20:58:50 mircea_popescu: whassat ?

20:59:21 jurov: BingoBoingo's story

20:59:58 mircea_popescu: i think i'm missing out. da fuck's that even mean.

21:00:31 jurov: we'll all know when it ends up on fraudsters, with annotations

21:01:09 BingoBoingo: It's my last imgur link, bunch of screencaps of tweets now removed

21:01:20 mircea_popescu: i'd rather play cunty lush.

21:06:35 BingoBoingo: From the story: "So when they finished he gave her $100. I said "jess, you selling your puss for $100??? Pussy is worth thousands. U Trippin"

21:07:04 BingoBoingo: Then she makes Jess a Backpage ad with a $500 minimum and shit goes to all hell

21:07:12 punkman: mega-cockroach-story

21:08:23 davout: stories, on fucking twitter

21:10:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00054432 = 15.4315 BTC [-] {2}

21:14:58 mircea_popescu: fucking "power saving mode"

21:15:02 mircea_popescu: who the fuck invented this stupid shit.

21:15:18 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:15:21 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ?

21:15:42 mircea_popescu: no, seriously. why the fuck is a monitor turning off by itself.

21:15:47 mircea_popescu: who came up with this idiocy.

21:15:55 ascii_field: sop on shitmonitors

21:16:14 ascii_field: configurable on adultmonitors.

21:17:41 kakobrekla: lol

21:18:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52802 @ 0.00054852 = 28.963 BTC [+] {2}

21:18:19 ascii_field: hey even i can afford a eizo

21:18:26 ascii_field: why does mircea_popescu have a shitmonitor ?

21:18:50 mircea_popescu: no. bvut guess what

21:18:58 mircea_popescu: if you turn off "super saving" greenleaf bullshit

21:19:04 mircea_popescu: it resets all other settings to default

21:19:06 mircea_popescu: fucking hell.

21:19:13 mircea_popescu: and they did this DELIBERATELY.

21:19:24 ascii_field: take it to the shooting range and shoot it

21:19:26 mircea_popescu: exactly like i'm going to rape their daughters with a muskrat.

21:19:28 ascii_field: then buy eizo colouredge.

21:19:51 mircea_popescu: ascii_field maker of "eizo whatever" is as much in my wot has lg.

21:19:55 davout: !s deterministic ecdsa

21:19:56 assbot: 2 results for 'deterministic ecdsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deterministic+ecdsa

21:20:01 mircea_popescu: 0 reason to prefer any turd over any other turd.

21:20:29 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it isn't a turd !

21:20:40 jurov: mircea_popescu: you don't even accept recommendation from ppl who are in your wot?

21:20:45 ascii_field: ^

21:20:50 ascii_field: i use EXCLUSIVELY these now.

21:20:54 ascii_field: whenever possible.

21:21:30 mircea_popescu: jurov if i was looking to buy one. but as it is, fuck it, what can he do if it turns out to be a dud, make the eizo ceo do my dishes ?

21:22:35 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i have 4, of 3 different types. can comment on the characteristics of the particular samples.

21:22:47 ascii_field: naturally anything can 'turn out to be a dud'

21:23:41 ascii_field: actually make that 5, of 4 types

21:23:43 mircea_popescu: but there's nothing more in that recomendation than "this cheez tastes good", is there ? not like it's 4:3 or some shit.

21:23:50 ascii_field: (i have a b&w one that is not in service currently)

21:24:09 mircea_popescu: just another shitty monitor from the shitty people that make the shitty monitors.

21:24:13 ascii_field: actually they have measurable characteristics which th manufacturer guarantees

21:24:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45016 @ 0.00054386 = 24.4824 BTC [-] {2}

21:24:29 ascii_field: which, in particular, is mircea_popescu interested in ?

21:24:33 ascii_field: yes i have a 4:3.

21:24:34 jurov: but mircea_popescu wants his monitor to do dishes

21:24:38 mircea_popescu: i guess. i'm just not of the mind that there can be such a thing as a good lcd anyway.

21:24:40 ascii_field: and a 16:10 and a 16:9.

21:24:42 punkman: eizo has a square monitor btw

21:24:49 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there are precisely two makers of 'good lcd'

21:24:51 ascii_field: eizo and barco.

21:25:11 mircea_popescu: alright. well... i got a new lg, which hopefully now no longer power saves.

21:25:19 ascii_field: but if you'd rather suffer with consumer shit - who am i to argue.

21:25:23 mircea_popescu: da fuck power would it save anyway THE FUCKING TRANSFORMER IS STILL PLUGGED IN

21:25:26 mircea_popescu: idiots.

21:25:51 punkman: (here it is http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/ )

21:25:55 assbot: FlexScan EV2730Q | EIZO ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8hEN9 )

21:27:07 ascii_field: all of my panels have 10-bit (yes) DACs, no detectable dithering.

21:27:39 punkman: 8bit is fine too, if it's actually 8

21:27:41 ascii_field: (for what the two extra bits? for plugging in the colorimeter and fine-verniering, naturally)

21:28:31 mircea_popescu: i would rather make my own fucking monitor.

21:28:38 mircea_popescu: motherfucker, i gotta go around with a colorimeter now.

21:28:48 ascii_field: you do it once when unpacking

21:29:02 mircea_popescu: i don't even want to do the unpacking.

21:29:03 ascii_field: or if, i suppose, significant temperature move

21:29:50 ascii_field: anyway this part is optional and only for fanatics (artists, folks who actually ~need~ to reproduce a colour)

21:29:56 ascii_field: i don't even have it.

21:30:00 mircea_popescu: im just pissy.

21:30:05 mircea_popescu: fucking "power save".

21:30:15 mircea_popescu: i hope they get buzzword cancer. and it'll be unoperable by definition.

21:30:19 ascii_field: welcome to how i feel every time i touch just short of anything !

21:30:29 punkman: I'd like a colorimeter so I can skip the uncomfortable period when changing monitors

21:30:55 punkman: otherwise, I don't care about teh colors enough

21:30:56 ascii_field: punkman: why ever change monitors ??

21:31:19 ascii_field: recent ones don't even have tubes. nothing fades.

21:31:31 ascii_field: (replacing ccfl tubes is a royal bitch)

21:31:41 punkman: upgrades, replacements, moving countries

21:32:38 ascii_field: from this thread i find it interesting that mircea_popescu so strongly disbelieves in the existence of proper lcd

21:32:58 ascii_field: perhaps some schmuck once showed him a crapple $2k panel and he took a crowbar to it in disgust

21:33:01 ascii_field: (justifiably)

21:33:32 kakobrekla: once you go ips you can never go back. unless blind.

21:33:40 ascii_field: it isn't just a matter of ips.

21:33:56 kakobrekla: no, but i can live with various ipses, not with any tn.

21:34:37 ascii_field: pre-2006 or so tn is quite usable.

21:35:25 kakobrekla: what, a 17" ?

21:35:34 ascii_field: aha.

21:35:40 kakobrekla: useless

21:35:47 ascii_field: not useless, i used to have #b-a on one.

21:35:49 ascii_field: just such

21:36:13 ascii_field: how many pixels does kakobrekla need to display #b-a ?!

21:36:59 kakobrekla: ba gets about half of the 27s 2560x1440

21:37:26 kakobrekla: i can only plug in 6 x27 monitors before i need a second gpu

21:37:33 kakobrekla: hence 17 is useless

21:38:24 *: ascii_field not up to 6 yet.

21:40:23 punkman: which gpu does 6?

21:43:10 punkman: cryptome's title entry: "DoD escaped detainee blimp with limp rudder down near Bloomsburg, PA"

21:43:15 kakobrekla: 7970/x280

21:43:53 kakobrekla: sorry, its '280x'

21:44:22 kakobrekla: http://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/2248925-b.jpg

21:44:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8jxJL )

21:44:29 kakobrekla: you need a dp splitter also.

21:44:45 ascii_field: uk lulz >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3293154/Britain-s-spies-throw-open-doors-GCHQ-reveal-intimate-secrets-Cage-codebreakers-flip-flops-Starbucks-baristas-pass-security-checks.html

21:44:45 assbot: Britain's spies throw open doors of GCHQ to reveal intimate secrets | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8jz4n )

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21:50:55 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:56:11 ascii_field: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/politics/obama-legal-authorization-osama-bin-laden-raid.html << moar lulz

21:56:14 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RC7xxO )

21:56:28 ascii_field: ^ usg brags of its murders

21:57:56 ascii_field: 'Stretching sparse precedents, the lawyers worked in intense secrecy. Fearing leaks, the White House would not let them consult aides or even the administration’s top lawyer, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. They did their own research, wrote memos on highly secure laptops and traded drafts hand-delivered by trusted couriers.'

21:57:58 phf: /quit ...

21:58:14 phf: err, fail

21:59:10 BingoBoingo: Armory has transitioned to Abandonware after the "phone home" debacle https://archive.is/vDjxw

21:59:11 assbot: Will the free open source Armory wallet continue to be developed going forward? ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8lcPA )

22:01:12 punkman: "They discussed possible situations in which it might still be lawful to shoot Bin Laden even if he appeared to be surrendering — for instance, if militants next to him were firing weapons, or if he could be concealing a suicide vest under his clothing"

22:02:15 mircea_popescu: maybe if they gave bin laden a forgetfulness potion they could muster the balls to approach him

22:02:57 punkman: "on a key point they concur: In Bin Laden’s final moments, he neither resisted nor surrendered."

22:03:04 ascii_field: this re: the ancient and ongoing thread about whether usg is somehow limited by laws.

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22:05:28 punkman: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572 watching Bin Laden's death

22:05:31 assbot: P050111PS-0210 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8lO7R )

22:15:21 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/bad_at_math.html << it must be pretty infuriating to live in the halfworld that is the us.

22:15:22 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Bad At Math ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8mJ8d )

22:15:38 mircea_popescu: on one hand, juan has real bullets in the gun. on the other hand, the state is a theatrical performance.

22:15:48 mircea_popescu: no wonder everyone goes nuts.

22:19:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49934 @ 0.00054345 = 27.1366 BTC [-]

22:21:19 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f8c207ba384c6c999e16d9a22f3f8e73/tumblr_n5y566K3sj1sqcs9ko1_1280.jpg

22:21:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RC9Lxp )

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23:02:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00054988 = 16.1665 BTC [+]

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