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00:03:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9744 @ 0.00051343 = 5.0029 BTC [+] {2}

00:07:58 punkman: "Do I have to be a resident of one of the countries mentioned above? No. You can live anywhere in the world, except of Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea or New York State." lol'd

00:08:17 punkman: (from https://www.cashila.com/faq )

00:08:19 assbot: Cashila ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSdowz )

00:09:12 pete_dushenski: heh. it begins.

00:09:29 kakobrekla: thats some derpy slovenian startup.

00:10:01 pete_dushenski: go smack 'em with a fish then

00:10:20 pete_dushenski: tell 'em compliance is for bitches

00:10:55 pete_dushenski: what, vw doesn't comply with regulations. why should a broke-ass start-up ?

00:11:28 kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "

00:14:16 pete_dushenski: the only thing better than being first is being the last.

00:17:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39192 @ 0.00051344 = 20.1227 BTC [+]

00:17:57 ben_vulpes: rebooting an old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323387: asciilifeform: since a patch has multiple antecedents, would an accurate description of the correct patch-selection algo for press be something along the lines of "given a patch, find its antecedents. presssed version must contain the descendants of all of those antecedents."?

00:17:57 assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:32; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct.

00:19:09 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?

00:19:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:20:24 punkman: ben_vulpes: if you want to press a minimal version of a patch, you can recursively find all antecedents of a HEAD patch

00:21:01 ben_vulpes: minimal doesn't work i don't think

00:21:09 ben_vulpes: well, by stan's criteria.

00:21:16 punkman: why not

00:21:48 ben_vulpes: has to press the same tree as any other v given the same head

00:21:58 ben_vulpes: there are only 2 ways to guarantee that that i see:

00:22:15 ben_vulpes: 1) only press the head patch in question (this is how i wrote my press)

00:22:31 punkman: imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3.

00:22:32 ben_vulpes: 2) press all same-leaf patches

00:22:48 ben_vulpes: what?! how can there be more than a single head

00:23:02 *: ben_vulpes may be experiencing a weekend of retardation

00:23:07 punkman: is not git

00:23:08 ben_vulpes: or life, who can tell

00:23:16 ben_vulpes: nigga please, i only have one head.

00:23:25 ben_vulpes: and i ain't git either.

00:23:33 ben_vulpes: did pyv press multiple heads?!

00:24:11 ben_vulpes: nono, pyv only pressed a single head.

00:24:36 kakobrekla: <pete_dushenski> what, vw doesn't comply with regulations. why should a broke-ass start-up ? < not big enough

00:24:36 *: ben_vulpes cracks mod6's v to inspect for multiheadpressing

00:25:37 ben_vulpes: i'm no perlspurt but mod6's only appears to press a single head as well punkman

00:26:30 punkman: yep

00:26:43 ben_vulpes: good ol' define-by-impl

00:26:43 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: not now, not ever, not at this rate.

00:28:19 ben_vulpes: <punkman> imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. << i don't actually disagree with this, i simply do not think that the design of v allows for multiple heads. do cite me something to the contrary if you're aware of any.

00:29:24 *: ben_vulpes could have had a whole bottle of nieto sentenier for what this single glass cost

00:29:35 punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?

00:29:59 ben_vulpes: whatever the user supplies for pressing, non?

00:30:32 ben_vulpes: the act of pressing only allows for a single head, regardless of whatever other patches exist.

00:30:46 punkman: they are both heads

00:30:52 trinque: seems reasonable to want both in that case.

00:31:18 ben_vulpes: punkman: but for a given "press"ed source tree /there can only be a single head/, per the implementations that i'm looking at.

00:31:22 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354636 << dunno man, wewracked the logs and there truly was no mention!

00:31:22 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?

00:31:44 ben_vulpes: adlai: didn't you work on the thing extensively?

00:31:48 adlai: you'll just have to read it for yourself, i guess, because i'm not about to sign a single cons of it until i redo that myself :P

00:32:06 ben_vulpes: what was the /point/ though? and the story behind its conception?

00:32:06 adlai: it's a giant heap of shit, that yes, i shoveled/pooped/nurtured, in a past life

00:32:13 adlai: aha

00:32:15 *: adlai pours another

00:32:33 adlai: it all began in thefaraway distant land of freenode

00:33:01 adlai: i mean the thing is amazingly documented, ask specific questions please

00:33:01 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:33:09 *: ben_vulpes pulls up a --

00:33:09 adlai: !b 2

00:33:10 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3K9306C.txt )

00:33:21 ben_vulpes: goddamnit adlai do you know how much miserable code i have to read?

00:33:43 adlai: yeah a couple programmer-years according to sloccount iirc

00:33:49 ben_vulpes: !up asciilifeform

00:33:56 ben_vulpes: oh god. damnit. assbot.

00:34:06 ben_vulpes: wait, workz now?

00:34:07 assbot: what

00:34:08 *: adlai slaps the bot on the ass with a large trout

00:34:32 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: are you voiced now?

00:34:39 asciilifeform: aha

00:34:43 kakobrekla: he is voiced by you

00:34:48 *: ben_vulpes does not waste pixels on voice status

00:34:54 ben_vulpes: ty kakobrekla, much appreciated

00:35:04 kakobrekla: hey i havent done anything yet

00:35:05 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: assbot still b0rk3d

00:35:11 kakobrekla: yea

00:35:32 adlai: dude wtf pixels it's exactly one column of termspace

00:35:32 kakobrekla: will look into it shortly

00:35:45 adlai: ;;rate ben_vulpes -9000 pixel pusher

00:35:46 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

00:35:54 ben_vulpes: pff

00:35:58 adlai: !rate gribble -1 rude af

00:35:58 assbot: gribble is not registered in WoT.

00:35:59 ben_vulpes: not under nine thousand

00:36:03 *: ben_vulpes unimpress

00:36:12 ben_vulpes: yo asciilifeform can you comment on 'press' thread?

00:36:33 adlai: ben_vulpes: so whot got you back to sheeple anywaays,googling for toposort impls?

00:36:44 ben_vulpes: up yrs neckbeard

00:36:48 adlai: at least add site:stackoverflow

00:36:53 adlai: saves you the shithub\

00:37:09 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i just read the log. it is yet unclear to me what was asked for

00:37:14 asciilifeform: what means 'multiple heads' ?

00:37:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53787 @ 0.00050443 = 27.1318 BTC [-] {3}

00:37:31 ben_vulpes: ask punkman, not me.

00:37:43 asciilifeform: the only way you could logically press 'multiple heads' is if the heads are from disjoint trees

00:37:50 asciilifeform: i thought this was pretty obvious

00:38:03 asciilifeform: the example i gave earlier (see logz) was if we were to have a documentation dir

00:38:11 ben_vulpes: my question was determining what patches make it into a pressing.

00:38:13 asciilifeform: nothing in it would directly depend on anything in the source

00:38:45 asciilifeform: oh incidentally the current dependency graph walker is in some ways erroneously conservative

00:38:48 asciilifeform: (and this includes mine)

00:39:06 ben_vulpes: perhaps this is what confused me

00:39:19 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shall i restate the question?

00:39:26 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

00:39:30 gribble: Current Blocks: 390569 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 534 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 31 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

00:39:31 asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P

00:39:37 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: do

00:40:13 ben_vulpes: let me double-check some baseline conclusions first

00:40:22 ben_vulpes: a patch may have multiple antecedents, correct?

00:40:30 asciilifeform: aha

00:40:46 asciilifeform: BUT only because a patch can affect multiple files, can it have multiple ~immediate~ antecedents.

00:41:38 ben_vulpes: i seek to understand better what same-tree-level means

00:42:01 pete_dushenski: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/rubber-boom-text << another industry dominated by se asia.

00:42:02 assbot: Why We (Still) Can't Live Without Rubber -- National Geographic Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/22tYFSb )

00:42:14 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'Back in 1992 $200 billion were stolen from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation with the help of so-called ?fake letters of advice?. Russia was on the brink of a financial collapse. The Central Bank was urgently equipped with more than 10 000 encoders manufactured at Russian plants. It helped to prevent thefts. It should be noted that there were no foreign electronic components in the encoders, even keyp

00:42:14 asciilifeform: ads and displays were manufactured in Russia.' (from your earlier link) - this was maslennikov

00:42:36 asciilifeform: (who designed the little signature machine)

00:42:59 ben_vulpes: if i press with a head P that has antecedents Q, R, S, must my press *only* include the descendant P of Q, R, and S? or *all* descendants of Q, R, S? or all descendants of any of Q, R and S?

00:43:01 mircea_popescu: !up Foo___

00:43:06 kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit.

00:43:40 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: фальшивые авизо

00:43:42 asciilifeform: ;;google фальшивые авизо

00:43:42 gribble: No matches found.

00:43:44 asciilifeform: wat

00:43:57 asciilifeform: methinks gribble is ascii-only ?

00:44:27 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: circa '91-92 about 1/4 to 1/3 of ru national budget was stolen, mainly by chechens

00:44:30 *: ben_vulpes only online for the duration of this particular bloody mary

00:44:38 asciilifeform: using very elementary fakes of 'aviso' (bank transfer)

00:44:57 adlai: ben_vulpes: honestly it's a better story for a blog post!

00:45:11 adlai: failing a blog post i'll have to deed it instead

00:45:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354604 << just some random noob hitting all the places with his random noobassery.

00:45:18 assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 23:50:18; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354353 << is 'quent' supposed to be a less free version of frequent or a less subsumed version of subsequent ?

00:45:20 adlai: or is deedbot now trademark registry

00:45:20 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: your question is elementarily answerable by looking at the hashes. each file hash exists solely because it came out of another patch. apply recursively.

00:45:40 asciilifeform: (process stops when you hit the genesis)

00:46:06 ben_vulpes: roger

00:46:34 ben_vulpes: adlai: just don't b42 it yo

00:47:14 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: roger, ty, loud and clear.

00:47:27 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=20 << mentions the aviso scam

00:47:28 assbot: Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The dossier, compromising, News - The Russian mafia, organized crime and corruption. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSgb97 )

00:47:40 asciilifeform: ;;google chechen aviso

00:47:41 gribble: How Russian Gold Reserve Was Plundered - PravdaReport: http://www.pravdareport.com/news/russia/13-12-2002/19134-0/; Dzhabrailov Umar - Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole ...: http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=20; Chernoy Mikhail - Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole ...: http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=189

00:47:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354631 << and Tim Mitja Zagar is the first guy with a penis. because he's never seen anyone else's.

00:47:52 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:11:28; kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "

00:48:33 adlai: ben_vulpes: i would i f i knew the charset

00:48:42 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that the aviso debacle took place, is not controversial. the debate among historians appears to be about whether a quarter, third, or even half of the budget was stolen, and whether it even makes a difference precisely how much

00:49:09 kakobrekla: mkay.

00:49:11 ben_vulpes: adlai: invent it!

00:49:17 kakobrekla: i must say that aklepov site is quite interesting.

00:49:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354663 <<< genesis.patch.

00:49:21 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:29:35; punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?

00:49:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00051344 = 10.6025 BTC [+]

00:49:37 ben_vulpes: no, that's the root.

00:49:41 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is correct

00:49:42 mircea_popescu: ah damn. right.

00:49:43 asciilifeform: it is the root

00:49:58 *: ben_vulpes off

00:49:58 asciilifeform: a 'head' incidentally is not a fixed item, like in g

00:50:01 asciilifeform: 'git'

00:50:02 asciilifeform: or svn

00:50:10 mircea_popescu: why we even discussing "a head" ? why does it make a difference ?

00:50:10 ben_vulpes: well git's head is only branch relative non?

00:50:13 *: ben_vulpes really off now.

00:50:13 asciilifeform: it is simply the place you grab onto and pull out a sequence

00:50:19 punkman: head is what gets arbitrarily toposorted to the top?

00:50:20 mircea_popescu: seems to me it should stay undefined. i just assumed you were discussing roots

00:50:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you define it when pressing

00:50:33 mircea_popescu: right

00:50:56 asciilifeform: the original question appears to be about whether 'v' ought to take multiple arguments for head. and the answer is yes, but i did not write this because we had only one genesis

00:50:58 mircea_popescu: wait. do i even have to ? "start from here and apply everything from these people" isn't exactly "defined"

00:51:05 asciilifeform: with multiple genesis (e.g. documentation) it is necessary.

00:51:19 mircea_popescu: imo it only should take a parameter for root.

00:51:24 asciilifeform: mno you never 'start from here and apply everything' because there can be mutually exclusive branches

00:51:27 mircea_popescu: mebbe i misunderstand something ?

00:51:30 asciilifeform: think about it

00:51:31 mircea_popescu: ah.

00:52:05 mircea_popescu: right. one root, multiple leaves yeah.

00:52:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354670 <<< afaik it's chet's term for sheep-people.

00:52:45 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:31:22; assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?

00:53:01 adlai: mircea_popescu: afaik you haven't learned lisp yet

00:53:30 adlai: aka "adlai's term for sheep-people"

00:53:38 adlai: !b 3

00:53:38 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0M5BY52.txt )

00:53:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354595 << incidentally this is a half-truth. 8086 clones were indeed made in su. just not quite on schedule.

00:53:42 assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 23:06:44; kakobrekla: The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been designed – the

00:55:43 kakobrekla: we are lucky to have you.

00:55:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354727 << this would be correct neh ?

00:55:45 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:39:31; asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P

00:56:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. but the thing really oughta be more granular

00:56:37 mircea_popescu: possibly.

00:56:47 mircea_popescu: alternatively, P should come in P, P' and P'' flavours as needed.

00:57:02 mircea_popescu: part and parcel of the original design was this refactoring of patches./

00:57:15 asciilifeform: presently a vpatch is really an agglomeration of patches

00:57:21 mircea_popescu: aha

00:57:45 adlai: deedbot-: gpg: public key decryption failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

00:57:51 asciilifeform: to see what i mean, break all vpatches apart on file-hash tuple boundaries, and then feed into mod6's vtron set to wild mode, and generate the plot

00:58:01 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3S5662N.txt

00:58:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/22tZxX1 )

00:58:05 deedbot-: accepted: 1

00:58:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354741 << it's not "advice" it's "notice", same root as in visa.

00:58:19 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:43:06; kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit.

00:58:28 asciilifeform: aha

00:59:21 asciilifeform: incidentally, maslennikov's book raised a question in my head, were western banks making use of modern crypto in '91 ?

00:59:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. and also, the chechen story is mostly a fabrication for internal su consumption.

01:00:08 mircea_popescu: right in there with the jews that cooked kid-challa.

01:00:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the fake aviso being sole source of chechen money thing certainly is fake

01:00:27 asciilifeform: but that chechens knew how to steal ?

01:00:39 mircea_popescu: for one thing. for the other... obviously they stole all the goats they could, but that didn't really register.

01:01:37 asciilifeform: anyway the complete story was that chechens set up faux transfer, and immediately used the proceeds to buy us dollars

01:01:51 asciilifeform: the exchange rate of dollar in ruble climbed exponentially

01:02:08 asciilifeform: and then - at the time crypto was introduced - stopped abruptly.

01:02:22 asciilifeform: whether stopped for this reason, or because god pressed a button, i do not know.

01:03:15 mircea_popescu: capital flight in a collapsed federation is a universal reliable phenomenon.

01:03:25 mircea_popescu: exactly same happened in the last days of austro-hungarian empire

01:03:35 mircea_popescu: expect the same in the last days of the us. not being a nation is VERY dangerous.

01:04:05 kakobrekla: !up asciilifeform

01:04:12 kakobrekla: eh ferfuxake

01:04:17 mircea_popescu: !up asciilifeform

01:04:24 mircea_popescu: ha-HA!

01:04:34 asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu. but why would the exchange rate freeze at that particular time ?

01:04:47 asciilifeform: that was the thing that made the legend credible

01:05:00 mircea_popescu: counterparties stopped accepting rubles for eurodollars.

01:05:21 mircea_popescu: trade went to commodity-only, which drove the rapid deindustrialization of 93

01:05:55 asciilifeform: (incidentally, maslennikov reveals several levels of shammitude. for instance, according to him, NOBODY actually USED the calculators. they were issued pro-forma. the actual signing was done with a - never officially approved - pc proggy)

01:06:06 mircea_popescu: (still to this very day putin's ru does not match "we will bury you" su in various key industrial production metrics)

01:06:19 asciilifeform: in which of them ~does~ it match ?!

01:06:23 asciilifeform: i know of none

01:06:28 asciilifeform: only petro export, really

01:06:28 mircea_popescu: foreign reserves.

01:06:39 asciilifeform: aha but bought by 'selling pieces of the motherland' (stalin's words)

01:06:41 mircea_popescu: and energy exports, and avionics, and a list really.

01:07:08 mircea_popescu: ru is not nearly as aerospace capable as the su was when sputnik, but it's certainly not as bad as it had gotten by 1980

01:07:16 mircea_popescu: (comparative terms)

01:08:01 asciilifeform: sorta funny how virtually same rocket is still used.

01:08:16 asciilifeform: and no serious qualitative improvement was ever made, nor - likely - will be

01:08:54 asciilifeform: (korolev's '7')

01:09:09 mircea_popescu: well a rocket's a rocket.

01:09:19 mircea_popescu: same penis is used to make kids as made napoleon, too.

01:09:26 asciilifeform: tell this to the contemporaries, who built many, many failed variations

01:09:34 mircea_popescu: true

01:09:55 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0rg6g3y.txt

01:09:56 assbot: Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/22u0b6Y )

01:09:56 deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.

01:10:16 asciilifeform: recall the incident where marshall nedelin and all of his adjutants were so thoroughly cremated that they were recognized by loose shirt buttons

01:10:17 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0RG6G3Y.txt

01:10:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/22u0bE4 )

01:10:19 deedbot-: accepted: 1

01:10:23 adlai: !down adlai

01:10:48 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] She-santa brings toys, robo-reindeer bring the pain. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/

01:11:09 asciilifeform: adlai: such emo !

01:14:48 mircea_popescu: http://nautil.us/issue/31/stress/what-i-learned-from-losing-200-million << restated because it's uncharacteristically not terrible.

01:14:50 assbot: What the Economic Crash of 2008 Taught Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbhrHC )

01:15:45 mircea_popescu: there is the lulzy part where "physics phd" genius boy props up a huge derivative trade with a weak market, an absolute noob mistake - and one his fucking desk should have caught.

01:15:54 mircea_popescu: but whatevers, the us' has long gone to the monkeys.

01:16:47 mircea_popescu: "Hitting a market?s ceiling like this was something that none of my methodologies accounted for." << because going "hey, my primary's like 20bn, the unwind that might need could easily be 2bn in a week, the whole fuel market's maybe a fifth that, hey check this out I've propped a car with a toothpick overf here"

01:17:45 pete_dushenski: also "hey, check out the sweet gov of mex account we scored. brownie points all around!"

01:18:04 mircea_popescu: that part is right.

01:18:57 pete_dushenski: i see

01:21:42 mircea_popescu: heck, the age of trade was driven by people trying to make their trading house matter more than the ministry of war where all the cavalry officers and junkers hung out.

01:23:07 pete_dushenski: when was the age of trade you speak of ?

01:23:18 mircea_popescu: 1500 to roughly 1750

01:23:57 mircea_popescu: the dictum "never get involved in a land war in asia" is mostly due to the fact that the portuguese were involved in a sea war in asia, and it worked splendidly for them.

01:25:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00050219 = 5.0219 BTC [-] {3}

01:25:13 pete_dushenski: british were in sea war with asia as well around the same time, ya ?

01:25:26 mircea_popescu: no. the british hadn't yet been invented at that point.

01:25:50 mircea_popescu: the dutch followed the portuguese, and after their conquest of the offshore platform and re-basing of their ships there....

01:26:36 mircea_popescu: "In other words, the Fed, by centralizing stress testing around its own approach, is incentivizing banks to follow suit, which may push them to accumulate similar exposures to one another and to manage them in similar ways, resulting in decreased diversification and increased risk. This is a question raised by particularly prescriptive rules like the Fed?s 5 percent hurdle, which are simple to monitor but may be just

01:26:37 mircea_popescu: as simple to game."

01:27:03 mircea_popescu: in other words, the us fed is managed way the fuck worse than b-a. because hey, the world is full of "physics phds" that went to fucking mit.

01:28:06 mircea_popescu: shoulda grazed sheep instead. learned more, at any rate.

01:28:56 pete_dushenski: not as many fillies at pasture

01:29:13 pete_dushenski: not the kind you'd take home to mom, at any rate.

01:29:52 mircea_popescu: And why his favored approach to stress testing (a technique called Bayesian nets) << oh lordy.

01:30:14 mircea_popescu: doesn?t involve trying to derive probabilities at all, but rather asks the user to just ?produce your best-informed guess.? << and you'd love this precisely because of who you are, and where yo ulive, and what you want to be true.

01:30:28 *: asciilifeform waits to buy 'bayesian' hammer and saw at hardware store

01:31:09 asciilifeform: is 'bayesian' the new... runcible ?

01:31:35 mircea_popescu: so it is.

01:31:52 mircea_popescu: of course, it is only superficially related to bayes' own work.

01:32:19 asciilifeform: phun phakt. can tune out if ever hear 'physics phd!!1111' - this has been a leper's bell of pseudoscientific cheap crackpottery for a century+

01:32:29 mircea_popescu: the actual bones under the abomination are mostly "this is everything" and "all people are equally, each individually, the complete and proud representation of all humanity" and bla bla.

01:32:36 mircea_popescu: it's the crackpottery of the times.

01:32:37 asciilifeform: (~actual~ physics specialist will not brag about phd, any more than a cabbie brags about driver's license!)

01:33:21 mircea_popescu: i have never met any even half-competent physicists that were proud of their... paper certifications.

01:33:26 asciilifeform: aha.

01:33:46 asciilifeform: nor will lawyer brag about passing the bar, etc

01:33:53 asciilifeform: it's cheap chumpatronics for rubes

01:36:04 mircea_popescu: I dropped my bike in a bush and texted our salesperson about the idea. <<< re the entire chechens thread.

01:36:22 mircea_popescu: fucktard. i'd be worried about the sms from the bush a lot more if i was dealing billions with this schmuck.

01:37:23 adlai: !up asciilifeform

01:37:43 adlai: ;;later tell therealascii fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault

01:37:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:38:19 asciilifeform: adlai: therealascii was beheaded some time in early 1500s

01:38:37 adlai: shame, i'd have paid to see how high the head flew

01:38:41 kakobrekla: id put my money on kakos fault

01:38:54 mircea_popescu: no kookie for kako!

01:39:14 kakobrekla: the usual.

01:39:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9808 @ 0.00051344 = 5.0358 BTC [+]

01:40:51 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354909 << i've always marvelled at systems where it turned out that security consisted of 'nobody would dare'

01:40:51 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 01:36:22; mircea_popescu: fucktard. i'd be worried about the sms from the bush a lot more if i was dealing billions with this schmuck.

01:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16925 @ 0.00050198 = 8.496 BTC [-]

01:52:06 adlai: sometimes you gotta tempt fate else she'll never tempt youback

01:52:33 pete_dushenski: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/buy-to-let/11816720/Death-of-buy-to-let-landlords-wake-up-to-Osbornes-150pc-tax.html << "Connie Cheuk (pictured above), a landlord with five properties, will see her tax bill rise by almost 40pc. She is even contemplating giving up her 18-year career as a teacher as a means of reducing the tax impact"

01:52:34 assbot: Death of buy-to-let: landlords wake up to Osborne's 150pc tax - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVnBOy )

01:52:46 pete_dushenski: " In fact, contrary to Mr Osborne’s suggestion, the only buy-to-let investors who will not be hit are the very wealthy who buy property in cash and who don’t need a mortgage."

01:53:03 pete_dushenski: good fuck riddance to all the wanna-be land barons.

01:53:37 pete_dushenski: buy the place for cash or enjoy the coming squeeze

01:53:47 pete_dushenski: buncha interst-only mortgage louts...

01:56:59 ben_vulpes: oh more tail risk explosions?

01:57:44 *: ben_vulpes dreams of the popescuian luxury of time

01:59:03 pete_dushenski: actually osborne's tax might minimise the blast radius of a black swan by pushing wanna-bes to the exits before the next "no one could've predicted"

01:59:13 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: what would you do with this time ?

02:02:18 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351342 << note how only one of the reinderps are actually doing any work

02:02:18 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:15:13; ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/7aNkaSl.gifv

02:02:58 ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/#footnote_3_6479 << lol the car thread really got under your skin huh?

02:03:00 assbot: She-santa brings the toys, robo-reindeer bring the pain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVopTA )

02:03:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fake it till you make it!

02:05:27 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: write a curriculum, write incorporation docs for the federated states of cascadia, tango, the odd simulation problem that's been nagging, low-profile nearly-submersibles...

02:06:03 ben_vulpes: the list of onanistic projects is bounded only by one's imagination, savvy?

02:06:28 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how do you figure ? the auto-car thread is just a good example of wishful thinking that some prototype is the guaranteed fyootoor. no different than google glass, e-books, iot, etc.

02:06:39 pete_dushenski: btw ben, you home schooling ?

02:06:57 ben_vulpes: but in the meantime, must tend to $bezzlecorp, meatwot, $product, fambly etc.

02:07:51 pete_dushenski: $product is unrelated to $bezzlecorp ? or do i misunderstand the segmentation there

02:08:00 pete_dushenski: !up asciilifeform

02:08:31 ben_vulpes: it's complicated.

02:09:05 ben_vulpes: and you even have to ask re homeschooling?

02:09:43 ben_vulpes: !s daycare

02:09:44 assbot: 19 results for 'daycare' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=daycare

02:11:11 thestringpuller: o look a pete_dushenski

02:11:17 thestringpuller: my blog is almost ready

02:11:25 thestringpuller: and boi do i have an interesting story for my first post

02:11:47 thestringpuller: just gotta rip the plugin code bingoboingo gave me for archives and categories and have pages for that and it'll be ready for action.

02:12:21 pete_dushenski: looking forward to reading it

02:13:27 kakobrekla: >

02:13:27 kakobrekla: gpg: key 01ABFFC7: "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>" not changed

02:13:36 kakobrekla: hurrdurr

02:13:36 ben_vulpes: relatedly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350387 << i am /so/ looking forward to this

02:13:36 assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 14:57:33; mircea_popescu: it looks like fraudsters's going to get moved off php at this rate.

02:19:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49023 @ 0.00051359 = 25.1777 BTC [+] {3}

02:21:41 kakobrekla: and when i list keys

02:21:49 kakobrekla: pub 2048R/01ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2016-12-24]

02:21:49 kakobrekla: uid Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>

02:21:56 kakobrekla: hm

02:23:49 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: were you homeschooled ?

02:24:03 ben_vulpes: nearly as bad

02:24:06 ben_vulpes: waldorf

02:24:57 pete_dushenski: k-12 ?

02:25:09 ben_vulpes: sixth grade was my last there.

02:25:28 pete_dushenski: "The philosophical foundation of the Waldorf approach, Anthroposophy, underpins its primary pedagogical goals: to provide an education that enables children to become free human beings, and to help children to incarnate their "unfolding spiritual identity," carried from the preceding spiritual existence, as beings of body, soul, and spirit in this lifetime"

02:25:49 ben_vulpes: mostly it's designed to produce happy little fab-line beez

02:26:11 pete_dushenski: but but free human beez !

02:27:24 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: why not send the kiddo to montessori ?

02:27:40 ben_vulpes: because i'm an impoverished usian?!

02:27:42 pete_dushenski: or better yet, talmud torah !

02:27:47 *: ben_vulpes didn't think this was news to anyone

02:28:29 pete_dushenski: montessori's, what, $1k/mo ?

02:29:15 ben_vulpes: yes, one price everywhere

02:29:43 thestringpuller: jesus 1k a month?

02:30:04 thestringpuller: nigga plz. send that niglet to public school. get into fights and shit

02:30:07 thestringpuller: toughin' him up

02:30:29 pete_dushenski: ^

02:31:32 adlai: maybe mikesy didn't really have volume&depth history, an he rode out of shame

02:34:44 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: well, i'm seeing ranges of $8.5-11.5k per annum for portland montessori. but close enough.

02:38:08 adlai: oh hmmm... bbiab

02:39:59 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169944

02:39:59 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 22:00:39; mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in

02:41:32 ben_vulpes: no, i'll not go buy fashionable fancy toyz.

02:41:44 ben_vulpes: nor will i feed my family shit and demand they call it bread.

02:42:47 ben_vulpes: i have a perfectly capable baker on staff already. yes it takes some time to make bread. so bake, and later eat.

02:45:14 ben_vulpes: "yes, this is the best flour your father can afford, and the best bread your mother can bake. be glad there is bread on the table and not the shit your little friends must eat."

02:46:26 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: were i to actually want to spend the money, it'd be the tution for the quality schools in the area *i* attended, not the fashionable ones i *didn't*.

02:47:02 ben_vulpes: the tuition for which was 16K (for hs, and only a moderate hike from the lower school rates) in 2004, and most likely has doubled since.

02:47:41 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-12-2015#1354903 << by this logic, you should never trust a guy who writes tradebots for a living further than you can chuck him, because they all list the physics phd on the resume right underneath the eighteen bankruptly IPOed tradeshops

02:47:41 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 01:32:37; asciilifeform: (~actual~ physics specialist will not brag about phd, any more than a cabbie brags about driver's license!)

02:47:49 ben_vulpes: the canonical #b-a thread to reference here is that "americans, no matter how they slave, cannot even begin to approximate that which their fathers took for granted".

02:50:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00051232 = 15.8307 BTC [-]

02:53:05 adlai: ;;later tell trinque deedbot- ate my thingy in the bad sense

02:53:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:53:27 trinque: it'll crap it soon; txn went out

02:53:38 *: trinque wonders idly at the mystery of adlai the poet

02:54:07 BingoBoingo: Wondering about that much LSD would prolly be bad for my sobriety

02:54:36 adlai: for posterity's sake, and to help the logs on their asymptotic journey to selftience:

02:54:51 *: ben_vulpes waits

02:56:17 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-12-2015#1341775 >>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tripsit+me&l=1

02:56:17 assbot: Logged on 12-12-2015 04:47:27; *: BingoBoingo wonders if there is a 12 step group for LSD adlai can explore, remembers medically induced ibogaine hallucinations likely conntributed to Bill's spiritual experience

02:56:18 assbot: Let me google that for you ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxLf1b )

02:56:26 *: BingoBoingo hopes that the ipad ben_vulpes gets to shut his kid up is a vaxstation

02:57:07 ben_vulpes: amiga or c64 but right idea

02:57:26 BingoBoingo: Maybe Apple IIGS?

02:57:31 *: adlai long since pankakked from there, but the place is ;;rate tripsit 10 in his book

02:57:40 adlai: A1 steak sauce people

02:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00051383 = 24.0472 BTC [+] {3}

02:57:54 BingoBoingo: adlai: But how is tripsit a 12 step group if it doesn't even have step 1?

02:57:54 adlai: kick a troll in the nuts faster than you can say "why would you do that here"

02:58:12 adlai: BingoBoingo: because it has rule #1, so you need to source the drugs yourselrf

02:58:35 BingoBoingo: That's like the exact opposite of step one.

02:58:40 adlai: aha

02:58:53 adlai: !b 5

02:58:54 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1QT56R1.txt )

02:59:05 adlai: oops

03:01:01 adlai: the beautifyl thing about deedbot-algo is that you can verify without spending

03:01:41 trinque: nice and simple.

03:01:57 ben_vulpes: do many deedbot- outputs get spent?

03:02:02 ben_vulpes: trinque: also

03:02:06 *: adlai checks every now and then, sweeps

03:02:08 trinque: adlai has picked up some

03:02:29 adlai: it's so much better than leaking fraudsters credits

03:02:34 trinque: in other deedbot news, I've got a CL bot that knows how to ghost and get his name back

03:02:57 trinque: coupla more weekends and I'll shoot the python one in the head, then make the CL one eat his own code

03:03:02 adlai: pics^H^H^Hource or it deedn't happen

03:03:20 adlai: aka "not necessarily in that order"

03:03:26 ben_vulpes: ouroubot?

03:03:50 trinque: heh

03:04:10 trinque: could make him eat a genesis v-patch of himself

03:04:23 ben_vulpes: s/c/s///

03:04:32 trinque: aha

03:04:41 adlai: first you'll have to add a v command that curls vpatches

03:04:55 BingoBoingo: adlai: Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol that our lives had become unmanageable. "WHO cares to admit complete defeat? Practically no one, of course. Every natural instinct cries out against the idea of personal powerlessness. It is truly awful to admit that, glass in hand, we have warped our minds into such an obsession for destructive drinking that only an act of Providence can remove it from us."

03:04:55 BingoBoingo: "No other kind of bankruptcy is like this one. Alcohol, now become the rapacious creditor, bleeds us of all selfsufficiency and all will to resist its demands. Once this stark act is accepted, our bankruptcy as going human concern is complete." - 12&12 page 21

03:04:57 adlai: and put that in its own pipe, and smoke

03:05:04 adlai: !down BingoBoingo

03:05:28 adlai: assbot): adlai, you can't do that to BingoBoingo. (Trust: L1 1, L2 12)

03:05:37 BingoBoingo: lol

03:05:41 adlai: but i thought wot mathematics was incommutable :(

03:05:58 BingoBoingo: Butt assbot trusts too

03:06:02 ben_vulpes: incuntmuteable

03:06:04 adlai: oic

03:06:10 *: adlai goes diddle her twat already

03:26:20 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

03:26:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 427.21, vol: 7281.56632429 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 425.861, vol: 6230.34925 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 426.3, vol: 24849.1143505 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 1.22437492 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.062248, vol: 61909.74250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 32.51342368 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 433.552, vol: 24.69601643 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

03:26:30 BingoBoingo: ;;more

03:26:31 gribble: 427.428343752

03:26:34 BingoBoingo: UNCRASHING

03:31:14 adlai: dat 420 bounce

03:43:51 adlai: dat checksum

03:43:54 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2FYF3ES.txt

03:43:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RN6HBW )

03:43:56 deedbot-: accepted: 1

03:44:08 *: adlai would build it, and they'd come, but he is le lazy...

03:44:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36868 @ 0.00050917 = 18.7721 BTC [-] {2}

03:56:32 ben_vulpes: where was that?

03:59:47 adlai: here, there, in between

04:00:22 adlai: and now... everywhere

04:08:45 adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.trinque.3:10f3f2ecbc7b662971edccdd24770d859e50389dd7cdc92bac50166fb3b4fd4e

04:08:45 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 2 to 3 with note: i used his tool so much it broke

04:11:29 adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.asciilifeform.3:cbab6fa56a5bd443ad000495b5d01edccf9a33e84216b207c29a35ed8c94ba8e

04:11:29 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 2 to 3 with note: implementational in instrumenting the new key management paradime

04:13:57 BingoBoingo: ;;google CVE-2015-3641

04:13:58 gribble: CVE-2015-3641 - Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - The ...: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-3641; [bitcoin-dev] Upcoming DOS vulnerability announcements for Bitcoin ...: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009135.html; CVE-2014-3641 - NVD - Detail: https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-3641

04:14:57 adlai: there goes the uncrash... twas fun while it lasted

04:15:29 adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.liquidassets.-1:483f07366c480206c52e90e6223639072ea568b76d8c5e9257c8ec1357743680

04:15:30 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for liquidassets with note: has yet to improve SNR, but negrates are an invitation to improve, you jimcrowwit-chickenshit

04:17:19 adlai: ;;later tell mike_c it's goot to have btcalpha.com back

04:17:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:17:42 adlai: dat 30day change! such signal!

04:18:28 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mike_c ty for the return of web

04:18:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:18:45 kakobrekla: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1T8SQVH.txt

04:18:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVAWGF )

04:18:58 kakobrekla: i have no explanation for this but its not assbots fault per se it seems.

04:19:24 adlai: thought plickens.

04:21:00 kakobrekla: !up asciilifeform

04:21:10 asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla. it is not assbot's fault, but the keyring's

04:21:21 adlai: re:bundle-390596, if it ever shows up: it's the best kind of snr amplifier, fueled by the tears of gamblers and the sweat of 'investors'

04:21:22 asciilifeform: your keyring appears to still contain my key expiring on dec. 25.

04:21:41 asciilifeform: (which is to say, same key, but lacking the renewal packet i added on 25th)

04:21:50 asciilifeform: the new key was sent to several different sks boxen

04:21:51 adlai: fwiw back when i had to cull a key, something to do with revocation certificates seemed to do the trick

04:21:57 kakobrekla: pub 2048R/01ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2016-12-24]

04:21:57 kakobrekla: Key fingerprint = 1721 5D11 8B72 3950 7FAF ED98 B982 28A0 01AB FFC7

04:21:57 kakobrekla: uid Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>

04:22:05 kakobrekla: seems like 2016 is the new one, no?

04:22:07 asciilifeform: aha

04:22:09 adlai: iirc it also made deedbot- roll over and play funny

04:22:09 asciilifeform: so what gives

04:22:14 kakobrekla: no fuckin idea

04:22:54 kakobrekla: te exported key is new or old in dpaste?

04:23:29 asciilifeform: appears to be the new one

04:23:36 kakobrekla: well then wtf.

04:25:03 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3Q5N0NN

04:25:04 assbot: dpaste: 3Q5N0NN ... ( http://bit.ly/1kmTSzF )

04:27:07 asciilifeform: all of this might have something to do with my switching to 1.4 this year

04:31:59 adlai: was than an upgrade down or retro?

04:32:33 adlai: (in king's english, what the hell were you using before?)

04:33:33 asciilifeform: adlai: 2

04:34:33 kakobrekla: well you are the expert in these matters, what are we suppose to do now

04:35:14 *: adlai is the expert in brainfuck, not assbottery

04:36:32 adlai: damn Anonymous is an impatient customer... double-check, payout payout... people need to rethink their liquidity

04:36:50 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: try verifying something i signed with the new key

04:36:59 asciilifeform: notice that jurov's turdatron was able to!!

04:37:09 asciilifeform: or the aws-killer script could not have been posted.

04:37:28 adlai: https://bitbet.us/bet/1218/luke-skywalker-turns-to-the-dark-side-in/#c5444 is right on the money though, bet should've been a tossup

04:37:29 assbot: BitBet - Luke Skywalker Turns To The Dark Side In Episode VII :: 1.61 B (81%) on Yes, 0.37 B (19%) on No | closed 2 weeks 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1kmUAwY )

04:38:12 adlai: i'd leave my nickels in the tipjar but it does seem awfully full

04:38:15 kakobrekla: asciilifeform got anything handy?

04:38:58 kakobrekla: this ? http://dpaste.com/25MGHBZ.txt

04:38:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kmUFRp )

04:40:05 asciilifeform: or this

04:40:06 adlai: lol, shills cann't even spell D-E-R-P correctly... https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3yeww0/coinbas_was_removed_from_bitcoinorg_wallet_page/

04:40:07 assbot: Coinbas was removed from bitcoin.org wallet page! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVCOzm )

04:40:24 asciilifeform: but most particularly this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000187.html

04:40:25 assbot: [BTC-dev] AWS Banhammer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdZBUM )

04:40:28 adlai: and this is worth almost a year-day of upboats

04:41:22 kakobrekla: gpg: Signature made Sat 26 Dec 2015 12:37:34 AM UTC using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7

04:41:22 kakobrekla: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found

04:41:31 kakobrekla: ...

04:41:38 asciilifeform: l0lwut

04:41:42 *: adlai shoots, he scores! he sweeps, he snores

04:41:42 asciilifeform: jurov's box found it...

04:42:11 kakobrekla: could be a different gpg version

04:42:24 kakobrekla: and mine is 'buggy'?

04:43:05 kakobrekla: v1.4.12 ftr

04:44:05 asciilifeform: i'd like to know what's on jurov's box

04:45:17 kakobrekla: !down asciilifeform

04:45:28 kakobrekla: until further notice.

04:47:38 kakobrekla: so you wont get a cold riding outside the train.

04:49:21 asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla

04:49:46 asciilifeform: sadly i gotta go to bed, starting at new uranium mine tomorrow, catching the old-fashioned train at sunrise.

04:49:47 *: asciilifeform bbl

04:50:00 kakobrekla: good luck

04:50:13 asciilifeform: ty. i will get to the bottom of this crud when i get back.

04:56:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00051404 = 14.0333 BTC [+] {2}

05:09:49 adlai: ;;later tell ben_vulpes: "Teaching people to look at the world as a malleable thing is one of the foundations of socialist brainrot" << so satoshi was a communist now too? and get a comment section already willya, it's blogging 101

05:09:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:11:57 ben_vulpes: individuals may on occasion change the world of their own accord, but teaching the normie that such is within his grasp is the height of stupid

05:12:19 *: adlai is talking about the jim crow tardation

05:12:51 adlai: if a meme is to be killed, it's to be done right, and anybody meming "jim crow hurr durr" doesn't actually understand what bitcoin's good for

05:13:08 adlai: there's a connection here, hamevin yavin

05:13:48 adlai: satoshi says, "the world is malleable and so is bitcoin!" sipa says "maybe not", so we shoot him before he starts giving any really dangerous ideas

05:13:52 adlai: idiots.

05:13:57 adlai: !down adlai

05:14:22 ben_vulpes: is this jim crow thing a thread i missed?

05:26:21 BingoBoingo: the seg wit stuff

05:30:29 ben_vulpes: ah clever

05:32:07 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai that post predated my ever hearing about segwit

05:32:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:34:59 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i only know what those fuckwits are up to because of you

05:35:20 BingoBoingo: Well I guess nao I have to qntra an explainer

05:35:55 ben_vulpes: i got the hazy notion that someone wanted to implement something that involved...not validating the whole blockchain. tuned out.

05:36:03 ben_vulpes: also, outside my wot. watch me give zero fuxx.

05:37:15 ben_vulpes: ~up amiller

05:37:18 ben_vulpes: !up amiller

05:37:25 ben_vulpes: hyu

05:37:30 ben_vulpes: !gup Guest1038

05:37:35 ben_vulpes: good grief

05:37:40 ben_vulpes: !up Guest1038

05:43:07 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> i got the hazy notion that someone wanted to implement something that involved...not validating the whole blockchain. tuned out. << Appears to be new soft phork tx type. details aren't clear to me yet

05:49:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00050917 = 4.5316 BTC [-]

05:55:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.0005089 = 18.7275 BTC [-] {2}

06:07:17 ben_vulpes: does anyone know of any decent sociopolitical histories of tls/ssl?

06:07:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107100 @ 0.00051382 = 55.0301 BTC [+] {3}

06:15:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00051417 = 13.2142 BTC [+] {2}

06:23:45 mats: feeling some regret about this eth bet

06:24:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00051464 = 14.2813 BTC [+]

06:24:53 ben_vulpes: > regret

06:24:55 ben_vulpes: > bet

06:25:03 ben_vulpes: > feel

06:25:22 ben_vulpes: what's the story?

06:28:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55001 @ 0.00051499 = 28.325 BTC [+] {2}

06:29:12 mats: the not-usg remora collective that bought into eth ipo is broke as fuck and are incapable of triggering share dump despite sizable payout from bitbet for this service

06:30:26 mats: there goes ~4btc

06:36:48 ben_vulpes: share dump? the sale that would drive the price down to bet-throwing levels?

06:37:03 ben_vulpes: didja take the bitcoin side of the ebt?

06:39:01 fluffypony: mats: didn't you have a small hedge against your bet?

06:41:17 ben_vulpes: A FLUFFYPONY

06:41:34 fluffypony: A CASCADIAN HAXXER

06:41:50 ben_vulpes: L33T HAXX0R

06:42:14 fluffypony: so l33t his password is 1337

06:42:28 *: ben_vulpes wonders if anyone got the implicit self-deprecatory 'hack' joke

06:44:55 BingoBoingo: You aren't a complete hack ben_vulpes, just a bit careless with your emacs buffers.

06:45:42 ben_vulpes: /quit

06:45:50 fluffypony: /ragequit

06:46:03 BingoBoingo: You make up for that though by being a jew who knows better than to blow all of the money on the smaller person's preschool.

06:46:32 *: trinque went to the overly expensive preschool in question

06:46:48 trinque: only memory of it was some kid putting hair clips all along his tongue

06:46:52 trinque: I guess he was expressing himself

06:48:08 fluffypony: if it's not Monte-sorry it's not worth talking about

06:48:08 mats: fluffypony: nope

06:48:17 mircea_popescu: adlai> satoshi says, "the world is malleable and so is bitcoin!" sipa says "maybe not", so we shoot him before he starts giving any really dangerous ideas << you really should lay off the sauce.

06:48:35 mats: ben_vulpes: yes, i took btc side

06:48:54 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> does anyone know of any decent sociopolitical histories of tls/ssl? << "no" or "only shitty ones" depending on your clearance.

06:50:07 ben_vulpes: the curricula are purchaseable for like 500 dollars

06:51:32 ben_vulpes: i have yet to meet a teacher i'd entrust the whole of any educational program to outside my wot

06:51:43 ben_vulpes: perhaps a slice here or there, like latin or ballroom dancing

06:52:23 ben_vulpes: but never fucking ever will i readily consent to stick my offspring in a daycare for an amount of attention outside of my control to be paid to them.

06:54:12 mircea_popescu: oh i thought you were contemplating a mistress.

06:54:17 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: narrative scrolling through my head is "tbl made htmlz, smart ppl thot waz cool, rest of internet piled on, shartups demanded cc processing over webz, tls/ssl became defacto"

06:54:30 mircea_popescu: here's the thing : not your call to make. by the time they need or can benefit from that sort of thing, they're old enough to pick their own/

06:55:01 ben_vulpes: tutoring is decent work for a mistress, neh?

06:55:14 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's actually pretty accurate. except smart ppl did not think it was cool. "smart" people had visions of a wikipedia-bayesian world.

06:55:29 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, the facts fell in, but their interpretation of "what it'll be like"... heh heh

06:55:47 ben_vulpes: well i did think about it for a few weeks before bringing it up. 'was cool' is a simplification of the whole 'semantic web' trip.

06:56:27 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: old enough to pick, old enough also to have the wot to select from?

06:56:52 mircea_popescu: nah, it's not even that. it's ... you know how the sort of fucktard that writes sf and like... lives off juices and shit [we're talking 70s here] always represents "the future" with these robed floating aliens of "twu ewolwed" ?

06:56:55 mircea_popescu: well... they figured that's it.

06:57:06 mircea_popescu: ironically... it did bring them the coveted fucking star trek touch panels

06:57:16 mircea_popescu: ie, all the factual bits DID fall into place.

06:57:40 ben_vulpes: heh

06:58:50 ben_vulpes: but on the other thread, from what pool are 'they' to 'pick their own'? must i not provide?

06:59:20 mircea_popescu: there is no pool.

06:59:44 mircea_popescu: if they're worth a shit they'll find and if not, a well. most stuff developing in an uterus is meant to abort sooner or later anyway.

07:00:04 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> but on the other thread, from what pool are 'they' to 'pick their own'? must i not provide? << The pool that knows wheeties actually isn't the breakfast of champion, because that is two scoops of whey and a scoop of dry instant coffee in an shaker.

07:00:46 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you are going to get too swole

07:01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, I'm still cutting to the point where I can start getting swole without also getting fat at the same time.

07:01:39 ben_vulpes: > cutting

07:01:40 ben_vulpes: IT BEGINS

07:02:09 BingoBoingo: Well, how else to you handle alcoholic fatty liver than by... chasing the fat out of the liver?

07:02:09 mircea_popescu: lol

07:12:26 *: BingoBoingo has already lost a substantial amount of liver weight since the sobriety experiment began as measured by poking the upper right quadrant of my abdomen and contemplating the size of the organ I just pissed off.

07:15:57 mircea_popescu: wouldja stop picking at scabs.

07:17:40 BingoBoingo: You're right. Gotta leave the scabs alone so they can keep undercutting lazy union parasites on the labor market.

07:26:59 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355221 << but not all?

07:26:59 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 06:59:44; mircea_popescu: if they're worth a shit they'll find and if not, a well. most stuff developing in an uterus is meant to abort sooner or later anyway.

07:28:45 adlai: from the not-so-lulz mines: https://chrispacia.wordpress.com/2015/12/23/lightning-network-skepticism/

07:28:47 assbot: Lightning Network Skepticism | Escape Velocity ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCBDwZ )

07:29:04 adlai: too bad you can't short vaporware that hasn't even boiled yet

07:30:23 adlai: "> If the lightning network ends up sucking (let???s hope it doesn???t), then so will bitcoin as we will have no choice but to use it by that point. // Or finally raise the blocksize" who'da guessed, comments better than the article itself

07:31:00 adlai: also who on earth beatifies their comment troll alts

08:00:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48594 @ 0.00050752 = 24.6624 BTC [-] {3}

08:00:49 BingoBoingo: !up ryan-c

08:01:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0005062 = 8.3017 BTC [-]

08:03:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20406 @ 0.00050503 = 10.3056 BTC [-]

08:21:23 adlai: i'm sorry but this is totally on-topic. /r/btc has "bitcoin startup entrepeneur" flair

08:21:58 adlai: context, /r/bitcoin introduced "bitcoin expert" flair at one point, and endless fests were shat over who gets it and who loses

08:26:40 fluffypony: omg I'm going to apply for that

08:26:51 fluffypony: right after I file to be recognised as a "thought leader"

08:30:00 adlai: "they say a lot of things about whoring being the oldest profession, but somebody had to pay, so Finance was First." - eden shochat, local vc chump pumper. has a good talk i'd link but nobody else medaber ivrit...

08:30:46 adlai: "i love regulation, because it causes fat, and then you slim it off and make bank" (rough translation parahrpase)

08:32:51 adlai: "private blockchains are as mortal as CEOs" (also rough translaying)

08:33:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30470 @ 0.00050578 = 15.4111 BTC [+] {3}

08:44:36 BingoBoingo: !up airgapped

08:47:52 adlai: can't you let the man !up himself? some cultures consider it rude to help

08:48:23 adlai: even the airgapped deserve some practice driving the cryptotron

08:50:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37322 @ 0.00051386 = 19.1783 BTC [+] {3}

08:54:38 adlai: !gettrust STRML_

08:54:38 assbot: STRML_ is not registered in WoT.

08:54:42 adlai: !gettrust STRML

08:54:42 assbot: STRML is not registered in WoT.

08:54:47 adlai: ;;gettrust STRML

08:54:48 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user adlai to user STRML: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=adlai&dest=STRML | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=STRML | Rated since: never

08:56:26 adlai: ;;rated STRML

08:56:26 gribble: You rated user STRML on Mon Dec 28 03:56:10 2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: epsilon risked, nothing gained (nothing lost).

08:56:49 *: adlai figures he's got to skin the fiat cat someday

08:57:10 adlai: at least STRML's casino doesn't touch the stuff, not even give it out for free if you keep hitting

08:59:28 adlai: for such a long lurker he does do a terrible job at it. wake up, sam! your elbow should be blue and purple by now, neh?

09:00:28 *: adlai realizes maybe if he wants people to listen to him, he should speak meat or blockchain at them rather than #b-a :(

09:01:47 adlai: "you are doing that too much. try again in 49 seconds." jesus christ marie it's a fucking IP address

09:02:28 adlai: only on /r/btc: "Cobra edits Bitcoin.org about page to remove Sirius from owner's list"

09:02:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10526 @ 0.0005041 = 5.3062 BTC [-] {2}

09:02:43 adlai: who are these people even smoking? did they sip the brown acid?

09:05:35 adlai: at least the leddit captions that with a real cobra

09:19:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20590 @ 0.00050378 = 10.3728 BTC [-]

09:31:51 BingoBoingo: So who's online that might be up for spotting me a proofreading?

09:55:18 mats: am here

09:56:15 BingoBoingo: Ah adlai's on it, but I'll get you the preview too

10:01:44 adlai: ah mats, welcome back to assland

10:05:08 mats: been lurking

10:25:13 punkman: good day http://publicdomainreview.org/collections/19th-century-album-of-ottoman-fashion/

10:25:14 assbot: 19th-Century Album of Ottoman Fashion | The Public Domain Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbOuv9 )

10:27:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00050198 = 4.568 BTC [-] {2}

10:31:50 punkman: https://media.ccc.de/b/congress/2015

10:31:51 assbot: C3TV - 32C3: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbOP10 )

10:41:15 adlai: ahaha i love this guy, "it takes twelve years, circa six governments in the state of israel"

10:44:16 adlai: i'd link him but he has the word "maidsafe" on his slides but says "failed" in hebrew,people might ge tthe wrong message

10:47:36 mats: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/a-year-of-taliban-gains-shows-that-we-havent-delivered-top-afghan-official-says/2015/12/27/172213e8-9cfb-11e5-9ad2-568d814bbf3b_story.html

10:47:37 assbot: A year of Taliban gains shows that ‘we haven’t delivered,’ top Afghan official says - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbPMpP )

10:47:40 adlai: he does fall for the fallacy of ascribing relevance to bubble inflation velocity in a post-fiat-escape-hatch market

10:48:05 punkman: https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7352-towards_reasonably_trustworthy_x86_laptops << poor transcript follows: "I used to think we could sandbox ME with VT-d, unfortunately it turned out this doesn't work, which brought me to the sad conclusion that perhaps if we look at the Intel x86 platform, the war is lost. It truly is hopeless, even if ME didn't exist. It bothers me since I spent the last 5 years

10:48:06 assbot: C3TV - Towards (reasonably) trustworthy x86 laptops ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbPPlE )

10:48:06 punkman: on my Qubes project which turns out to be meaningless."

10:48:55 punkman: then she turns around, "oh we must change the game", "state considered harmful", "do you want my trusted stick?"

10:51:13 *: adlai tl;dr's his guerrilla transcription: "would-be entrepeneurs, don't waste your time building companies. fuck shit up and send me the datapix, maybe i'll like them and buy some more"

10:51:59 punkman: who's that?

10:53:05 adlai: https://youtu.be/xTmZW9b0gxw?t=1h3m37s

10:53:06 assbot: ‫כנס ביטקוין 2015 - חלק א'‬‎ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vm8i0t )

10:53:30 adlai: i mean fuck, it's even got a leet checksum

10:53:49 *: adlai rests his case, and weary brain. maybe tomorrow it'll piss again.

10:53:57 adlai: !down adlai

10:57:21 punkman: !s tlsnotary

10:57:22 assbot: 5 results for 'tlsnotary' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tlsnotary

11:06:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11785 @ 0.00050377 = 5.9369 BTC [+] {2}

11:30:11 deedbot-: [Qntra] The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream - http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-false-dilemma-of-xt-versus-blockstream/

11:34:22 punkman: not bad BB

11:34:42 BingoBoingo: thank you punkman

11:42:00 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WkLtJjONqs

11:42:01 assbot: The Empire Files: Ralph Nader & Abby Martin on the Corporate Elections - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YMm4K7 )

12:10:20 BingoBoingo: In other news, SUCK IT CALIFORNIA http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/emergency-declared-as-rain-keeps-falling-concern-turning-to-rising/article_592378ee-58c5-58bf-844f-7192031de91f.html

12:10:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YMq8tP )

12:11:15 BingoBoingo: "On Sunday afternoon, as rain continued to pummel much of the St. Louis region, 2015 officially became the wettest year on record. It came amid reports of widespread flooding, a plea by officials in West Alton to evacuate and the closure of Interstate 70 through the heart of St. Charles County. And with rain continuing Monday, river levels throughout the region are expected to hit near-record crests by New Year?s Eve."

12:11:38 BingoBoingo: Actual flood season usually doesn't start until April, or at least March

12:12:40 BingoBoingo: "Mississippi river levels at Alton are expected to reach nearly 39 feet by Thursday, only 3.7 feet lower than the 1993 record. In St. Louis, the water is expected to crest just shy of 45 feet, which would rank only behind the 49.6 feet recorded during the flood of ?93."

12:13:13 BingoBoingo: "Down river, the Mississippi was forecast to reach or surpass the 1993 record of 49.74 at Chester, Ill., on Friday. That level would impact Menard Correctional Center and comes within inches of the top of the levee protecting St. Genevieve, Mo."

12:13:38 BingoBoingo: All of this water and fucking California can have none of it.

12:15:06 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

12:15:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 426.2, vol: 6516.68988212 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 424.596, vol: 5478.27021 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 424.64, vol: 24132.59731712 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 0.118 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.5264, vol: 69354.93620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 428.98, vol: 85.24159845 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 432.93549, vol: 22.00506 | Volume-weighted last average: 425.321439986

12:15:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00050829 = 16.062 BTC [+] {3}

12:53:11 mircea_popescu: for the record, ottoman fashion's pretty cool. they invented a lot of things above and beyond the ottoman

12:53:27 mircea_popescu: (that very useful piece of furniture for anyone that keeps cocksuckers in the house)

12:53:33 mircea_popescu: such as you know, fucking underwear.

13:29:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050695 = 9.0237 BTC [-] {2}

13:39:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00050841 = 5.7705 BTC [+] {2}

13:45:26 punkman: !up junseth

13:45:46 junseth: hey everyone. Just popping in to see what the scum of the earth is up to ;P

13:46:09 BingoBoingo: Oh, a little bit of everything. Picking fights with XT and blockstream at the same time

13:46:21 junseth: God the XT-ers

13:46:38 junseth: At this point, that debate is like trying to tell a Christian evolution is real.

13:46:51 junseth: "Why, don't you want our opinion?"

13:47:43 BingoBoingo: also see http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-false-dilemma-of-xt-versus-blockstream/

13:47:44 assbot: The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OgP1ME )

13:49:31 junseth: Haha, nice. Gotta say, the thing i like about bitcoin-assets is that whether or not I agree with ya'll, you keep shit weird.

13:50:37 junseth: This is good I'm kin dof fed up with the people who didn't care about block size 5 months ago, and then Gavin told them to care, and now they care.

13:51:13 BingoBoingo: Seriously. But on the other hand can't let blockstream get an ego and think they can Gavin themselves.

13:51:46 junseth: Sounds good to me. Just push Maxwell to bring us fungibility by next Christmas

13:52:23 junseth: and I'll be squealing like one of Bitcoin's many beautiful transgendered women. :)

13:53:09 BingoBoingo: lol

13:54:28 BingoBoingo: But you definitely can see the positive effect all this drama is having on price, right?

13:55:05 junseth: I don't care. For those of us who are long termers, a cheap Bitcoin is a good bitcoin

13:55:44 BingoBoingo: Seriously

13:58:04 junseth: All right, I'll be back in a few months to make sure that ya'll are still the weirdest enclave in the space. Just doing the prison rounds, wanted to take a count of the inmates. Time to pretend like real life is real life.

13:59:03 BingoBoingo: Alright

14:10:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5965 @ 0.00050695 = 3.024 BTC [-]

14:11:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13685 @ 0.00050482 = 6.9085 BTC [-]

14:23:44 BingoBoingo: http://www.fyrstikken.com/blog/kazonomics-poses-as-a-rich-and-successful-bitcoin-guru-but-is-in-fact-a-dirt-poor-notorious-criminal-who-just-cant-stay-away-from-trouble

14:23:46 assbot: Kazonomics - Poses as a rich and successful Bitcoin-Guru but is in fact a dirt poor & notorious criminal who just can´t stay away from trouble. - Welcome to Fyrstikken ... ( http://bit.ly/1me9MON )

14:57:24 mod6: ;;bc,stats

14:57:28 gribble: Current Blocks: 390659 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

14:58:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41628 @ 0.00050403 = 20.9818 BTC [-] {2}

15:22:32 deedbot-: [Ossasepia] Euloran Cookbook V1.2 - http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/12/28/euloran-cookbook-v1-2/

15:26:46 BingoBoingo: Oh hai, look where qntra made it again: https://archive.is/RT7C2 https://archive.is/dmNZC

15:26:47 assbot: Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jc6BkK )

15:26:48 assbot: The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jc6DsC )

15:29:21 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355349 <<< This is what *should* be at top of page, instead of all the other "censorship!" nonsense.

15:29:21 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:26:46; BingoBoingo: Oh hai, look where qntra made it again: https://archive.is/RT7C2 https://archive.is/dmNZC

15:29:41 BingoBoingo: Butt in other lulz https://archive.is/WOHB9

15:29:44 assbot: Roger Ver rallies around Coinbase. What could possibly go wrong this time around? I mean the last time Ver vouched for someone, new captains of industry were created right? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1knNubr )

15:30:22 BingoBoingo: shinohai: It's making it there

15:36:23 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b21

15:48:08 BingoBoingo: !up joshbuddy

15:48:21 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3yiumz/the_false_dilemma_of_xt_versus_blockstream/cydulxc <<< kek

15:48:24 assbot: BlockchainOfFools comments on The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream ... ( http://bit.ly/1knQl4n )

15:49:52 ben_vulpes: Softforks that explicitly create an incentive for their own revocation create an extraordinary moral hazard. << rather

15:50:00 ben_vulpes: rather nice qntra, BingoBoingo

15:50:11 BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes

15:51:20 pete_dushenski: shinohai: pff. b-a doesn't rubber stamp, we brand with iron directly on skin.

15:51:47 ben_vulpes: foreskins!

15:52:00 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform how are the new minez?

15:52:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:53:48 pete_dushenski: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/28/only-one-global-currency-trounced-the-dollar-this-year.html

15:53:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1knRaKg )

15:54:40 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: way to break in past the reddit censors. wd.

15:54:59 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I actually didn't submit it to reddit.

15:55:19 pete_dushenski: oh ?

15:55:28 BingoBoingo: This is "organic" social media manure accumulating

15:56:53 BingoBoingo: I don't have a current reddit account "broken in" enough to chance on shitting qntra into reddit. Gotta farm some more "wheymens"

15:57:30 pete_dushenski: that's what fiverr's for

15:57:53 pete_dushenski: which i'm sure qntra could find in its budget

15:58:44 BingoBoingo: What budget? Everything goes into servers, coffee, or HODL.

16:00:25 pete_dushenski: you could always reallocate some of those saved boozebezzlars

16:00:45 BingoBoingo: Those go to coffee and HODL

16:02:01 pete_dushenski: "Saudi Arabia, its finances hit by low oil prices, announced plans to shrink a record state budget deficit with spending cuts and a drive to raise revenues from sources other than oil. The government of the world's top oil exporter ran a deficit of 367 billion riyals ($97.9 billion) in 2015, the Council of Economic and Development Affairs said on Monday." << i wouldn't be surprised if we saw a regime change in t

16:02:02 pete_dushenski: he next 12 months. this is going to be a rough ride for abdullah's stand-ins.

16:03:14 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, that's actually a smarter use of funds

16:04:47 BingoBoingo: Also some of the saved boozelars have gone into the gas tank, because some days there isn't a storytime club meeting in reasonable walking distance.

16:05:04 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355365 <<< correct answer

16:05:04 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:51:47; ben_vulpes: foreskins!

16:07:06 BingoBoingo: lol throckmorton's sign https://archive.is/oD4nq

16:07:07 assbot: throckmortonsign comments on The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream ... ( http://bit.ly/1knTb9i )

16:08:53 BingoBoingo: ;;google throckmorton's sign

16:08:54 gribble: Throckmorton's sign | Radiology Reference Article | Radiopaedia.org: http://radiopaedia.org/articles/throckmortons-sign-1; John Thomas sign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_sign; Throckmorton's sign - Whonamedit - dictionary of medical eponyms: http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/3050.html

16:09:15 BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash_t

16:09:22 pete_dushenski: tried watching some jeremy piven show on netflix last night where he plays an american entrepreneur in london who starts his own department store circa 1909 and the only way i could stand it was with the volume off. the set design is the ~only~ redeeming quality of that show.

16:09:37 pete_dushenski: anyways, watch at your own risk, but definitely not recommended viewing.

16:12:01 pete_dushenski: though the few bits about jobs being hard to come by, and only the handsomest men and prettiest women being able to snag jobs, and the employers turning applicants away because they have dirty fingernails was kinda neat, if only because that's the way the world works outside of the narrow historical confines of "we print the bezzlars"-istan.

16:14:26 pete_dushenski: mr. selfridge << the show in question

16:15:13 pete_dushenski: and... apparently the show is 3 years old and already on its fourth season. fancy that.

16:23:46 pete_dushenski: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/12/climate_schlock.html << apt title

16:23:47 assbot: Climate Schlock, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/22uPfGg )

16:24:13 punkman: pete_dushenski: the set design is the ~only~ redeeming quality of that show. << isn't that why they call them costume dramas

16:24:42 pete_dushenski: but then where's the drama ?!!1

16:24:59 punkman: maybe piven ate it

16:25:28 pete_dushenski: or he gave it away to johnny from entourage

16:26:17 punkman: here's a pick for you http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2603596/

16:26:19 assbot: The Wrong Mans (TV Series 2013– ) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/22uPq4c )

16:26:41 mod6: pete_dushenski: hey, got your msg. thanks for updating your blog. much appreciated.

16:32:54 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

16:33:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.35, vol: 6479.61616555 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 423.499, vol: 6114.4076 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 423.22, vol: 22179.5503971 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 0.118 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 424.266579, vol: 67575.50010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 428.90974, vol: 107.89201068 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 430.454101889, vol: 27.32749261 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

16:33:06 BingoBoingo: ;;more

16:33:06 gribble: 423.8796412

16:42:17 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html << re: footnote [2]; jurov, maybe this was the issue I ran into -- i'll have to try this.

16:42:18 assbot: [BTC-dev] Taming the mempool ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvyaEi )

16:42:43 mod6: Thanks again for posting your report & corresponding patch. Great work.

16:58:10 pete_dushenski: punkman: the fat one looks awfully familiar but i can't place him.

16:58:14 pete_dushenski: mod6: np :)

17:09:06 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag

17:11:10 pete_dushenski: bbl

17:16:05 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355366 << heavy

17:16:05 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:52:00; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform how are the new minez?

17:16:42 ascii_butugychag: bbl.

17:19:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00050384 = 2.1413 BTC [-]

17:24:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00050343 = 6.5698 BTC [-] {2}

17:26:34 mircea_popescu: assbot: A year of Taliban gains shows that ?we haven?t delivered,? top Afghan official says << loller.

17:27:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355290 << i broadly agree. laptops have no future ; thanks god for that.

17:27:23 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 10:48:06; punkman: on my Qubes project which turns out to be meaningless."

17:27:27 *: mircea_popescu never liked the shits.

17:38:35 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-false-dilemma-of-xt-versus-blockstream/ << check out BingoBoingo! getting quite adept at splitting teh narrative huh ?

17:38:36 assbot: The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OgP1ME )

17:41:39 mircea_popescu: !gettrust junseth

17:41:39 assbot: junseth is not registered in WoT.

17:43:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355331 << no, actually : the whole charade of muppets, with that despicable bfl shill Luke-Jr front and center, was derping ON AND ON about how gotta keep the blockchain small back when MPEx:S.DICE was the largest economic activity in the whole currency.

17:43:58 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 13:50:37; junseth: This is good I'm kin dof fed up with the people who didn't care about block size 5 months ago, and then Gavin told them to care, and now they care.

17:44:07 mircea_popescu: but hey, times achanged.

17:44:21 mircea_popescu: and somehow nobody's supposed to remember 2013 because reasons.

17:45:26 mircea_popescu: somehow "hardforking the blockchain to accomodate dust transactions" wasn't a concern, back before hussein bahamas climbed atop mit and started throwing meatballs and chicken nuggets at the rotinculo chorus.

17:47:26 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/hAXeL << ahaha what the shit is this.

17:47:27 assbot: Kazonomics - Poses as a rich and successful Bitcoin-Guru but is in fact a dirt poor & notorious criminal who just can´t stay away from trouble. - Welcome to Fyrstikken ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLkdcD )

17:58:09 mircea_popescu: "These are all public records and there are tons more if you want to dig deeper into the criminal life of Kaseem Sarad Simpson, AKA @Kazonomics on twitter" eh srsly, dude's can't drive and had a falling out with some weisz chick.

17:58:14 mircea_popescu: hardly a criminal mastermind or anything.

18:00:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.fyrstikken.com/uploads/6/6/1/3/66137739/9262349_orig.png << there's a DERP fee.

18:00:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLmlBd )

18:00:25 mircea_popescu: fancy that. immensely apt.

18:04:33 mircea_popescu: "I'm Roger Ver, long-time Roger Ver advocate and investor. Today, I'm at the Roger Ver world headquarters in Saint Kitts and Nevis. I had a nice chat with Roger Ver CEO, Roger Ver, about their current situation. He showed me multiple bank statements, as well as letters from banks, lawyers and Roger Ver. I'm sure that all the current Roger Ver problems at Roger Ver are being caused by the traditional banking system, not

18:04:33 mircea_popescu: because of a lack of liquidity at Roger Ver. The traditional banking partners that Roger Ver needs to work with are not able to keep up with the demands of the growing Roger Ver economy. The dozens of people that make up the Roger Ver team are hard at work establishing additional banking partners, that eventually will make dealing with Roger Ver easier for all their customers around the world. For now, I hope that eve

18:04:34 mircea_popescu: ryone will continue working on Roger Ver projects that will help make the world a better place."

18:04:37 mircea_popescu: lol butts delivered.

18:09:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355361 << quite. all this verbiage about how "oh lalala, if miners stop enforcing X fork they will be excluded" fails to account for the fact that unlike the various PRBs, TRB does NOT actually implement any of the soft forks. so no, they won't be "excluded". nobody will notice they stopped.

18:09:19 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:49:52; ben_vulpes: Softforks that explicitly create an incentive for their own revocation create an extraordinary moral hazard. << rather

18:10:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355375 << speaking of which, BingoBoingo do you want a fiverr account with whatever credit on it ?

18:10:12 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 15:57:30; pete_dushenski: that's what fiverr's for

18:11:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355381 << there's a huge difference between fully financed deficit (such as sae runs) and fully uncovered deficit, such as the us (or argentina) run.

18:11:10 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 16:02:02; pete_dushenski: he next 12 months. this is going to be a rough ride for abdullah's stand-ins.

18:11:24 mircea_popescu: the saudis have a shitton of cash to throw around before they need to notice the hole.

18:33:22 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin-related code written by developers reached 7,000 in December, up from 1,000 bitcoin codes in mid-2013. The number of PayPal-related codes is below 3,000 (based on Github depository references)."

18:33:30 mircea_popescu: these people are fducking retarded already

18:41:25 mats: http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/12/28/us-voter-database-leak/

18:41:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZxA7W5 )

18:43:30 mats: >has uncovered a database sitting on the Web containing various pieces of personal information related to 191 million American citizens registered to vote... [the data] includes names, home addresses, phone numbers, dates of birth, party affiliations, and logs of whether or not they had voted in primary or general elections.

18:43:40 mats: huhuhu

18:44:24 mats: in other news, https://49.media.tumblr.com/a84cd0541073dad3810d2d0f0f6327a7/tumblr_nzoibvdfMJ1qg39ewo1_500.gif

18:44:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZxAsbk )

18:54:51 mats: punkman: did you read her paper?

18:55:57 mats: or didja assume 'trusted stick' == 'trusted platform module'?

18:56:30 punkman: I read

18:57:51 mats: what problem(s) do you see with this scheme?

18:58:05 *: mats is on pg15

18:59:10 punkman: mats, do you think persistence is the problem?

18:59:25 punkman: or that we can't even trust own mother

18:59:33 mats: no

19:01:29 mats: i can however appreciate some facets of her thing, like being able to trivially inspect device fw

19:41:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16513 @ 0.00050431 = 8.3277 BTC [+] {3}

19:44:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123750 @ 0.00050174 = 62.0903 BTC [-] {6}

19:59:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00050611 = 21.3072 BTC [+] {3}

20:59:16 mats: mircea_popescu: meaning of sae?

21:06:27 mircea_popescu: saudis.

21:31:40 ben_vulpes: the number of related codes?!

21:31:47 ben_vulpes: in what world

21:31:49 ben_vulpes: i don't

21:32:04 ben_vulpes: understand

21:32:06 ben_vulpes: how the world works

21:36:24 mats: ben_vulpes: context?

21:37:15 mats: https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/3waa8x/im_bill_pollock_no_starch_press_founder_im_here

21:37:16 assbot: I'm Bill Pollock, No Starch Press founder. I'm here with some of our authors. Ask us anything! : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSWCxc )

21:55:43 mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481120 << you referring to https://www.iacr.org/archive/crypto2001/21390001.pdf ?

21:55:43 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:50:12; asciilifeform: there is already a hard impossibility proof of turing-complete computation in a homomorphic turd.

21:55:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSYyG1 )

21:57:58 mats: ben_vulpes: oops. i scrolled up.

22:00:54 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag

22:01:57 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355482 << aha

22:01:57 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 21:55:43; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481120 << you referring to https://www.iacr.org/archive/crypto2001/21390001.pdf ?

22:02:07 mats: k just checking

22:02:19 ascii_butugychag: and lulzily, that's my new job...

22:02:56 ascii_butugychag: i shit thee not

22:05:06 mats: yeah, you mentioned it last month

22:23:53 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355490 << you mean homomorphic turds?

22:23:53 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 22:02:19; ascii_butugychag: and lulzily, that's my new job...

22:56:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00050264 = 16.2855 BTC [+] {4}

23:03:55 mats: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=intel-trace-hub-for-linux p interesting, oughta materialize in the next year (still R&D afaik)

23:03:56 assbot: Intel Trace Hub Support Coming To Linux - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1OV2LJ9 )

23:04:54 mats: can sync with software logging even

23:05:26 shinohai: !rate ben_vulpes 1 Bash necromancer of trb things. http://cascadianhacker.com

23:05:27 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d96104fc0ebce28f

23:05:28 assbot: missives from the post-megastate frontier ... ( http://bit.ly/1OV32Mq )

23:06:44 shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.ben_vulpes.1:4bb772d30b432b48cbaf24825be8c37c7c14e204d0b2afb47af4ae86edd1b4a9

23:06:44 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: Bash necromancer of trb things. http://cascadianhacker.com

23:25:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52950 @ 0.00050694 = 26.8425 BTC [+] {2}

23:42:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20618 @ 0.00050282 = 10.3671 BTC [-]

23:45:20 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355447 << Nope, don't have one without credit either

23:45:20 assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 18:10:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1355375 << speaking of which, BingoBoingo do you want a fiverr account with whatever credit on it ?

23:47:48 BingoBoingo: Substantial props go to adlai and mats for the proofreading help

23:50:43 BingoBoingo: Honestly I wouldn't know what to do with a fiverr account

23:51:07 punkman: all kinds of amusing things