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Transcript for 29-01-2014, 1892 lines:

00:00:24 asciilifeform: interesting how a closed-source browser is still so beloved

00:01:08 kakobrekla: its not so beloved.

00:01:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform antiques.

00:04:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1200 @ 0.00085984 = 1.0318 BTC [+] {5}

00:13:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10936 @ 0.00088455 = 9.6734 BTC [-] {3}

00:15:11 BingoBoingo: punkman: A number of the AMD Thinkpads don't or at least shouldn't have that (May lack that and possess something else). I think the X140e is the newest of that bunch.

00:15:16 mircea_popescu: so i google to find if i ever reviewed boiler room, the movie. what do i find ?

00:15:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2013&bots=true#102590

00:15:19 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

00:15:58 mircea_popescu: prolly should be in the scientology thread, doing the guy's research for him.

00:17:07 mike_c: lowlife goatherder. harsh!

00:18:02 mike_c: wow, there are over 1m goats in romania.

00:19:31 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you know that ?!

00:19:45 mike_c: random internet page of course.

00:19:48 mike_c: http://ercg2014.org/goat-breeding-in-romania/

00:19:49 ozbot: Goat Breeding in Romania | ERCG 2014

00:19:52 mike_c: how could it not be true?

00:20:17 mike_c: "The number of goat is about 1220000." hehe

00:20:42 mircea_popescu: reason i ask is, recently the government was embarassed to all hell

00:20:52 mircea_popescu: because it couldn't produce a total figure for porcines in the country

00:21:00 mircea_popescu: notwithstanding they do expensive tagging and whatnot.

00:21:03 mike_c: pigs i can't help with.

00:21:14 pankkake: I saw The Wolf of Wall Street. first part felt like Bitcoin

00:21:18 mircea_popescu: animals have individual health bulletins

00:21:45 mircea_popescu: pankkake since you mention it, http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wolf-of-wall-street/

00:23:25 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/28/us-usa-spectrum-channelsharing-idUSBREA0R1Q120140128

00:23:26 ozbot: U.S. wireless group proposes TV channel-sharing pilot

00:23:42 ThickAsThieves: theyre gonna broadcast on same waves to prove it can be done

00:25:19 ThickAsThieves: bets wall st portrayal is American Psycho

00:25:23 ThickAsThieves: best*

00:25:37 ThickAsThieves: :)

00:26:39 pankkake: I am so many fraudsters articles behind

00:26:46 mircea_popescu: one can not keep up

00:26:54 mircea_popescu: my mother can not keep up

00:27:00 pankkake: hm. so I should get a slave to TL;DR it for me

00:27:51 pankkake: maybe I'll read that Asylum thing on my ereader

00:29:31 mircea_popescu: seems to me if you pay a woman to read fraudsters a slave is you.

00:29:35 mircea_popescu: she gets all the fun

00:29:50 pankkake: anyway I liked TWoWS, weird as I both dislike movies about drugs and di caprio. technically the movies good without making sense

00:30:14 pankkake: I wish there was more emphasis on the actual financial part

00:30:47 mircea_popescu: dude...

00:30:57 mircea_popescu: idiot kid is shown droping acid or w/e pre exam

00:31:01 mircea_popescu: then he "passed it"

00:31:02 mircea_popescu: magically.

00:31:04 mircea_popescu: like that.

00:31:20 mircea_popescu: what's this, like a telenovella, people are supposedly working but nobody does anything ever.

00:32:29 pankkake: I'm not used to read long things on a computer. Except amateur porn stories I guess

00:32:53 pankkake: actually that's how I started to learn English outside of education :D

00:32:59 mircea_popescu: jesus.

00:33:41 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, have you watched Black mirror yet ?

00:33:48 mircea_popescu: nop

00:34:01 Apocalyptic: some material for fraudsters articles in there imo

00:34:01 mircea_popescu: i don't really do tv series

00:34:25 mike_c: i hope you weren't saying you didn't enjoy boiler room. granted, it's not good film, but it is enjoyable.

00:34:26 Apocalyptic: nor do I, but i'm kinda sure you'll like this

00:34:42 Apocalyptic: it's not even a tv serie as in the episodes are completely unrelated to each other

00:34:49 Apocalyptic: consider it a set of mini films

00:35:16 pankkake: seems like the twilight zone

00:35:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c marginally.

00:35:32 KRS1: mircea_popescu: did you at least do breaking bad?

00:35:41 mircea_popescu: it's pretty bad. one can enjoy the invasion of the alien robot gorillas too,

00:35:59 mike_c: only if done entertainingly though.

00:36:13 mircea_popescu: KRS1 i went through a few of that and game of thrones during an hour once

00:36:17 mike_c: ah, you did like the sting though. great movie, also with some odd plotlines.

00:36:37 mircea_popescu: the sting was good

00:37:55 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Does this link work for you? http://www.totalwebcasting.com/view/?id=nysdfs

00:38:41 mike_c: yeah, but i couldn't see the video because it was on edgecast. on a different connection now and it works. thanks for the link.

00:40:22 BingoBoingo: mike_c: You are welcome. All of these verbal tics... I dunno if I can actually transcribe this chairperson. Maybe wait for official transcripts or Odesk, then correct the inevitable mistakes?

00:41:05 punkman: Apocalyptic: Black Mirror was fun, especially the first one: "a much-loved member of the Royal Family, is kidnapped. For her safe return, the Prime Minister must have sexual intercourse with a pig on national television."

00:41:17 Apocalyptic: yeah

00:41:21 Apocalyptic: the second one was good too

00:41:29 Apocalyptic: kinda captured all murica there

00:41:34 Apocalyptic: and brilliantly executed

00:41:37 mike_c: heh. odesk is probably best to keep sanity intact.

00:41:41 Apocalyptic: seriously mircea you're missing out

00:42:30 mircea_popescu: ok ok. teh point is made.

00:42:35 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Reminds me of that Nefario video

00:43:23 mircea_popescu: from mike_c's earlier goatlink : "The number of goat is about 1220000."

00:43:30 mircea_popescu: much number...

00:45:02 punkman: a goat conference you say

00:45:06 punkman: sounds interesting

00:45:26 punkman: do all animals have a conference?

00:46:30 mircea_popescu: pretty much all professions have a trade rag and a trade show

00:46:51 BingoBoingo: I have to wonder is a single Winkelvii incapable of undertaking any action on their own?

00:49:21 punkman: I thought they were conjoined

00:52:31 BingoBoingo: If people don't take care to contain the spread of Winkelvii http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/world-s-largest-organism-2

00:55:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 80 @ 0.00444997 = 0.356 BTC [-]

01:02:50 mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc

01:02:51 gribble: 839.04

01:03:53 nubbins`: prc

01:04:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00088683 = 22.7472 BTC [+] {5}

01:04:04 nubbins`: price rub cocks

01:04:14 mike_c: bitcoincharts seems to be up, but not mpoe

01:05:05 mike_c: google needs to get those internet blimps out there already.

01:15:17 punkman: http://www.alternativepig.eu/home.html

01:15:19 ozbot: Home

01:18:57 asciilifeform: silly, everyone knows that 'alternative' pig is: 'long.'

01:21:02 punkman: so, the US has a patent for weaponized boar taint

01:21:29 Duffer1: i feel there's comedy in there somewhere

01:21:31 punkman: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/6386113

01:21:31 asciilifeform: alpha-androstenol ?

01:21:32 ozbot: United States Patent: 6386113

01:39:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02999996 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}

01:39:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2280 @ 0.00086943 = 1.9823 BTC [+] {5}

01:53:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 100 @ 0.00460061 = 0.4601 BTC [-] {5}

01:54:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00088587 = 11.4277 BTC [-]

01:55:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4010 @ 0.00088706 = 3.5571 BTC [+]

02:04:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.10700519 = 0.535 BTC [+] {3}

02:05:55 BingoBoingo: Huh, I should have went to this NY DFS hearing.

02:14:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00088852 = 19.192 BTC [+] {2}

02:20:38 BingoBoingo: About 26 minutes into the second session (the one with Mr. LiteCoin) the person chairing the committee suddenly seems to reveal he has more insight into how mining works than any of the witnesses.

02:23:17 BingoBoingo: reeses: Mr Litecoin http://gawker.com/jury-reprimanded-for-laughing-at-alleged-sheep-fucker-r-1510835023

02:23:31 BingoBoingo: *re: Mr Litecoin http://gawker.com/jury-reprimanded-for-laughing-at-alleged-sheep-fucker-r-1510835023

02:30:20 BingoBoingo: Judie Rinearson may be the most informed witness on the Mr Litecoin panel, for suggesting that to run a BTC-Fiat exchange you ought to already have substanitial piles of both.

02:33:36 BingoBoingo: Carol VanCleef and "passing the private keys" might be worse than Mr Litecoin. I though only Cascascius moved BTC by passing private keys around.

02:34:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00424814 = 0.1317 BTC [-] {7}

02:35:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cascascius is a plot to further holography (and microscopy, and possibly metallurgy) research. with gigantic bounty. you read it here first.

02:36:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think this is the first time you said so in such a blunt way. Before it seems you pushed people to read between the lines.

02:37:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: everyone is invited to draw his own conclusion. note that physical reality doesn't care about intentions.

02:38:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00088994 = 15.485 BTC [+]

02:39:45 BingoBoingo: physical reality suggests not eating for a month would be a horrible way to die and people talk about that. A much worse way to die physical reality suggests might be gorging of food for 30 days with an orfice sealed by either cyano acrylate or sutures preventing bowel evacuation.

02:39:58 BingoBoingo: People talk about starvation though

02:40:31 BingoBoingo: No one talks about forced GI obstruction

02:41:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not to nitpick, but people who actually suffer GI obstruction, when they succumb, it is of starvation (digestive tract then only works in 'reverse gear')

02:42:31 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Much of the time. Othertimes though they succumb to sepsis due to things tearing. Depends on how low you place the obstruction.

02:43:08 BingoBoingo: Age might be an important factor in this though.

02:45:45 BingoBoingo: Fucking retardation from Mr Litecoin "It only matters reimbursing that dollar amount" That is Usagi fucking losing 90+ % of fund value is a victory logic.

02:46:15 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: curious - why do you care what goes on in that circus?

02:47:21 Duffer1: i'm having trouble figuring out which circus is being discussed here

02:47:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm following the circus because I think appearing at a later incarnation of one of these hearings might be a fun way to break my pseudonymity.

02:49:37 BingoBoingo: I would like to advance at one of these hearings the position that "bitcoin doesn't much care about you"

02:49:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: like any good story, this one must be 'shown, not told'

02:50:57 asciilifeform: the most educational possible outcome of the circus is: use of bitcoin is banned under penalty of cranked impalement - and continues enthusiastically regardless.

02:51:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure. I would like the chance though to add some theater to one of these circuses though. A chance to go on the record seems like it could be fun (even though right nao by being in this channel I am on the most important record atm.)

02:52:24 BingoBoingo: It seems pretty clear though than many people on the NYDFS committee though likely hold more BTC than these witnesses though.

02:53:05 asciilifeform: best propaganda, as always, is 'propaganda by the deed.'

02:53:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19465 @ 0.0008868 = 17.2616 BTC [-]

02:54:33 BingoBoingo: Witnessing at one of these committees and not doing this retarded thing people who imagine themselves public speaking capable do where they simply read prepared statements verbatim could be educative to prevent future Amir Taaki and Charles Lee situations.

02:55:14 asciilifeform: what are the chances of something other than a scriptable muppet being invited ?

02:55:46 BingoBoingo: I wonder if any of these people speaking has ever had to handle a classroom where one has to anticipate any degree of retardation and ignorance from student questions.

02:56:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine such chances are low. That is why I kind of hold this out as a bit of a dream.

02:56:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0008868 = 6.2076 BTC [-]

02:59:23 BingoBoingo: Maybe if Illinois has one of these things I could find myself invited. Illinois is rather similar to NY. Both States are giant wastland with Giant cities occupying a small portion of the waste.

03:00:26 BingoBoingo: Maybe the biggest difference comes from settlers in Illinois having become victims of a native joke and naming Chicago after the region's natural onion stink.

03:03:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21797 @ 0.00088561 = 19.3036 BTC [-] {2}

03:06:42 BingoBoingo: My big complaint about these hearings is that the only thing close to "I don't know how your assumptions could be so broken that you describe reality with such retarded lenses" seems to be coming out of the fucking regulators on the dias.

03:15:39 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Being 10 minutes out from catching up with the Day's proceedings I imagine Odesk will probably be too slow and too shitty (the second point is never a question with Odesk)

03:16:31 mike_c: you might be surprised. i've hired some odeskers for transcribing before and it worked pretty well. hit and miss though i'm sure.

03:17:57 BingoBoingo: Maybe my world has been small but I have never seen quality work transcibing done by those who are not extremely poor and brown or the other extreme which is incredibly professional court reporters.

03:18:26 mike_c: i'm sure they were poor. i did not pay much.

03:20:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43399989 BTC [+]

03:20:41 BingoBoingo: Poor isn't necessarily the greatest problem maybe. Probably desperation might be bigger.

03:21:05 BingoBoingo: THere's a bit of overlap here that makes the right attribute hard to sus out.

03:21:32 asciilifeform: gonna be tricky to hire these folks for speech transcription once they start mining SlaveCoin.

03:23:49 asciilifeform: (a SlaveCoin would, hypothetically, do to human labour what bitcoin did to computing power)

03:24:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bodypart coins see so simpler though. Value through removing value.

03:25:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00088994 = 10.6793 BTC [+]

03:26:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0028499 = 0.114 BTC [+]

03:27:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: complicated. people would plunder every graveyard they can find before selling their own parts.

03:28:19 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bag of preservative with integrating cutting mechanism.

03:28:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reminds me of an ancient chinese weapon i once read of

03:28:58 asciilifeform: a 'field guillotine'

03:29:21 asciilifeform: sack, attached to a spring-loaded gadget reminiscent of a camera aperture.

03:29:46 BingoBoingo: Kind of what I imagined. Dunno how many ways there are to imagine such a thing though.

03:29:52 asciilifeform: two leap upon the victim, hold him down, while a third operates the snipper.

03:30:04 asciilifeform: then present head to buyer.

03:39:29 BingoBoingo: Dunno how many recyclable parts are actually present in the head though.

03:40:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1880 @ 0.000091 = 0.1711 BTC [-]

03:43:56 BingoBoingo: 85 minutes into the hearing, saving coins creates a weird dynamic

03:55:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 32 @ 0.005 = 0.16 BTC

04:12:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.04899999 = 0.784 BTC [+]

04:13:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.049 = 0.441 BTC [+] {2}

04:18:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04360003 = 0.218 BTC [-] {2}

04:18:16 herbijudlestoids: ;;lastseen vexual

04:18:16 gribble: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.

04:18:20 herbijudlestoids: ;last vexual

04:18:25 herbijudlestoids: ;;last vexual

04:18:25 gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message (1 more message)

04:18:34 herbijudlestoids: ;;last --in vexual

04:18:34 gribble: Error: 'vexual' is not a valid channel.

04:18:39 herbijudlestoids: oh for fucks sake

04:18:45 herbijudlestoids: anyone seen vex?

04:19:03 Duffer1: ;;seen vexual

04:19:04 gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 12 hours, 26 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Vexual> my axe

04:19:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.049 = 0.833 BTC [+]

04:20:24 herbijudlestoids: thx

04:20:41 herbijudlestoids: he asked me if i could convince a friend of mine to accept bitcoin

04:20:42 herbijudlestoids: now he does

04:20:53 herbijudlestoids: www.larridinya.com

04:28:44 assbot: Listing exchanges on #bitcoin-assets - requested by mariorz

04:28:45 assbot: Exchanges:

04:28:46 assbot: - MPEX: http://mpex.com - IRC handle: mircea_popescu

04:28:47 assbot: - Havelock: https://www.havelockinvestments.com - IRC handle: topace

04:28:48 assbot: - BTCTC: https://btct.co - IRC handle: burnside

04:28:49 assbot: Brokers:

04:28:50 assbot: - CoinBR - https://coinbr.com/about - IRC handle: jurov

04:31:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4339999 BTC [+]

04:31:32 BingoBoingo: Obama is just phoning it in. This has to be the least relevant SOTU in decades.

04:32:20 Apocalyptic: he's broken some records, that one is not surprising

04:32:42 BingoBoingo: Here's a hint, Americans who work in solar and whose jobs can't be outsourced operate squeegees

04:33:59 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: He talks so much about the economy and energy so far. He's pretty powerless nao on those things. The only thing he could actually do without outsourcing to wishful thinking would be to legalize the wacky tobbacky

04:35:07 BingoBoingo: I don't even know how he can talk about immigration reform without rescinding airport rape stations.

04:41:15 csu: lol @ airport rape stations. so true.

04:43:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.00311689 = 0.3117 BTC [-]

04:43:52 herbijudlestoids: compare oblabla to this SOTU http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/all_about_ike/speeches/1953_state_of_the_union.pdf

04:47:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9859 @ 0.00088935 = 8.7681 BTC [-]

05:26:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 61 @ 0.00444999 = 0.2714 BTC [+] {2}

05:37:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00089012 = 19.2711 BTC [+] {3}

05:58:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00285 = 0.1197 BTC [+]

06:03:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00089162 = 29.0668 BTC [+] {2}

06:10:29 BingoBoingo: I watched the State of the Union so You don't have to http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/29/the-worst-state-of-the-union/

06:12:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.0008922 = 19.1823 BTC [+] {2}

06:19:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16069 @ 0.0008945 = 14.3737 BTC [+] {2}

06:19:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.434 BTC [+]

06:59:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41800003 BTC [-]

07:00:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.41233332 = 3.711 BTC [-] {6}

07:20:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00089087 = 4.8998 BTC [-]

07:36:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00082055 = 0.4103 BTC [-]

08:16:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00089466 = 12.7936 BTC [+]

08:27:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.049 = 0.49 BTC [+]

08:40:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00089125 = 27.6288 BTC [-] {2}

08:43:48 KRS1: .bait

08:43:49 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/1415504e8984ededadefffe0151c5c27/tumblr_mmbbbmHd571qfaf1fo1_500.jpg

08:44:05 KRS1: Vaginacam.

08:44:07 KRS1: .bait

08:44:08 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lor140QP0n1qe6ke5o1_1280.jpg

08:50:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00088974 = 22.2435 BTC [-]

09:02:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00089105 = 11.45 BTC [+] {2}

09:08:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00088974 = 15.1256 BTC [-]

09:14:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37336 @ 0.00088931 = 33.2033 BTC [-] {2}

09:24:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00089113 = 25.1299 BTC [+] {2}

09:27:54 lolstate: ;;seen ThickAsThieves

09:27:55 gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 2 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> :)

09:28:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.049 = 0.49 BTC [+]

09:31:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.0008866 = 15.5155 BTC [-] {2}

09:40:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 343 @ 0.00289899 = 0.9944 BTC [+] {2}

09:42:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.43 = 3.44 BTC [+]

09:45:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+]

09:56:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22333 @ 0.00088566 = 19.7794 BTC [-] {2}

10:00:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00088432 = 11.9825 BTC [-] {2}

10:52:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+]

11:00:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 64 @ 0.00445 = 0.2848 BTC [+]

11:09:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02999996 = 0.24 BTC [+]

11:10:31 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435263.msg4809695#msg4809695

11:10:33 ozbot: Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing

11:10:36 mircea_popescu: dude mpoe-pr brings out the best in people.

11:10:43 mircea_popescu: anyone ever knew the noobs can be that cool ?!

11:14:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prollu because this time she isn't shitting of their favored scams?

11:14:20 mircea_popescu: now that may be.

11:14:28 mircea_popescu: shittingb on them > shitting on their fav scam of the time.

11:14:36 mircea_popescu: at least themselves, they know that sucks.

11:16:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0008842 = 8.1789 BTC [-]

11:27:44 punkman: https://medium.com/p/24eb09e026dd

11:28:21 mircea_popescu: "Furthermore, notice that a winning bet of .011 returns less than the bet itself (despite its weight), if you even happen to get it. Something is clearly seriously wrong with that guy!! It would be nice if someone were to hack him (and all companies industrializing/profiting off the bitcoin with expensive rigs) and donate the bitcoins to charity (bitcoin100 or etc)."

11:28:26 mircea_popescu: check out the revolutionary minded scum.

11:28:55 mircea_popescu: this is the reason i do not wish to live in a world without opression, and this is why bullshit like "social justice" is outright immoral.

11:29:12 mircea_popescu: some people should be oppressed, and currently are not oppressed nearly enough.

11:30:16 mircea_popescu: punkman obviously, twitter and dns are shady services open to hackers and drug dealing.

11:30:51 punkman: I like that it still takes a few phone calls to steal whatever

11:31:15 punkman: nice domain you got there, shame you are not using it

11:31:18 punkman: I'll just take it

11:31:55 BingoBoingo: punkman: Amazing how GPG could have prevented that disaster.

11:32:29 jurov: or at least 2FA. not the backdoored google kind

11:32:31 punkman: BingoBoingo: well not if they just change your key when you call them

11:32:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amazing how if you don't offer people any way to change their account they'll be unhappy.

11:32:39 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

11:32:49 mircea_popescu: this is the reason why, however.

11:33:31 BingoBoingo: punkman: No one gets to change keys though unless they can sign the change with a still older key of theirs.

11:34:09 punkman: BingoBoingo: of course they do, "hey guys dog ate my key, can I change to this new one?" "ok"

11:35:05 BingoBoingo: punkman: And you revoke it by shear number of keys you exclusively control, or your identity is essentially dead. Not lost. Dead.

11:35:17 mircea_popescu: punkman people totally misunderstanding what customer service is.

11:36:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23665 @ 0.00088479 = 20.9386 BTC [+] {2}

11:36:23 punkman: mircea_popescu: what customer service?

11:36:31 punkman: they got too many users to give a fuck

11:37:23 mircea_popescu: well yes, customer service : hire a bunch of veggies to go "yes sir, sure sir, can do sir" to anyone walking in

11:37:26 mircea_popescu: regardless of anything

11:37:45 punkman: and they call it "live" support.

11:38:04 punkman: even if all they do is write an internal support ticket on your behalf

11:38:59 mircea_popescu: the test cheating mentality : they aren't trying to deliver, they just try to hack into your measures and make it seem like they do.

11:39:06 punkman: said message being "mr manager, dear customer says problem"

11:39:14 mircea_popescu: like, you imagine that talking to someone is more likely to resolve anything ? fine, they'll train dogs to talk to you.

11:39:58 mircea_popescu: hacking is a much larger part of corporate culture than corporations willingly admit, even to themselves.

11:40:19 mircea_popescu: the same people who indignantly protest to the judge that random guy "hacked into their computers" just spent the entire day trying to hack their customers.

11:40:49 nubbins`: "can we disable the user's back button?"

11:41:02 mircea_popescu: yexactly.

11:42:16 nubbins`: fun fact, i once refused to make a code change on moral grounds

11:42:29 mircea_popescu: the amusing part, of course, being that cheating ACTUALLY IS being clever, but only IN SOME CONDITIONS.

11:42:37 nubbins`: ^

11:42:44 mircea_popescu: by completely abandoning a critical review of those conditions, and instead going with formalisms, like

11:42:51 mircea_popescu: "cheating X way good, cheating Y way bad"

11:42:59 mircea_popescu: the results are appaling.

11:43:35 mircea_popescu: this situation exactly mirrors the situation in speech, where people imagine "being nice" or "polite" consists of never using word X, such as nigger or fucktard, rather than, you know, actually being nice/polite/whatever

11:43:40 mircea_popescu: the results being again appaling.

11:44:32 nubbins`: being "professional"

11:44:37 mircea_popescu: myeah.

11:44:47 nubbins`: "where did this $9t go?" "we currently don't have that information until we finish our review" etc

11:44:58 mircea_popescu: "professional" is "guy in a suit". pure cargo cultism.

11:45:08 nubbins`: i was ruminating on this the other day

11:45:16 nubbins`: HOW CAN HE KNOW BUSINESS

11:45:21 nubbins`: HE WEARS NOT THE UNIFORM

11:45:38 nubbins`: strange creatures, humans

11:45:42 mircea_popescu: the obnoxious part is that i wear suits. always have. i was a highscooler with a three piece suit.

11:46:02 mircea_popescu: i happen to like them. but wtf is with all these weasels!

11:47:30 nubbins`: flapping your face = doing business

11:47:35 punkman: I like this: "being friendly: looking out for your interests. being polite: obeying social decorum."

11:47:48 mircea_popescu: lol where's that from ?

11:47:48 punkman: being polite is useless mostly

11:48:03 nubbins`: ^ this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature

11:49:26 punkman: mircea_popescu: not sure I got it from here, but google says: http://sebastianmarshall.com/friendliness-and-politeness

11:50:46 nubbins`: being friendly: having a lel. being polite: inviting others to have a lel.

11:51:14 mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone wants to see me with a fro... http://fraudsters.com/2011/fototeca-de-haur/ i just dug it up

11:51:38 nubbins`: sebastian marshall had a lel writing that, and we had a lel reading it

11:51:52 nubbins`: we are friendly and he is polite!

11:52:13 punkman: that's a good fro

11:52:14 mircea_popescu: im not friendly! who is this guy

11:53:42 nubbins`: you're downright amicable. don't kid yourself

11:54:00 mircea_popescu: lol

11:54:20 nubbins`: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/eu-tinar-8.jpg

11:54:31 nubbins`: "where are his arms? why is a laptop hanging from his belt?"

11:54:34 nubbins`: <- no coffee yet

11:55:05 mircea_popescu: lol

11:55:16 mircea_popescu: laptop utility belt, now that's an idea.

11:55:30 mircea_popescu: and speaking of ideas, i can't believe nobody invented the spots solarium yet.

11:55:44 mircea_popescu: you could have the light concentrate in particular places, make the girls look like leopards naturally.

11:55:51 mircea_popescu: i bet you there's good money in that.

11:56:02 nubbins`: mottled skin looks diseased

11:56:11 mircea_popescu: not if the spots are large enough

11:56:26 mircea_popescu: if they're say 2x2 to 3x5 or so they look... you know, like a leopard

11:57:18 nubbins`: http://www.truehealthclinic.org/images/vitiligo_c_p_BEFORE.jpg

11:57:27 nubbins`: yep, majestic hunter

11:57:55 nubbins`: you'd need to keep tanning the same spots too, so you'd end up with your skin prematurely aged in certain areas

11:57:56 punkman: you could take a vinyl body suit and cut some holes, wouldn't be very comfortable to tan in

11:58:11 nubbins`: wrinkle spots by age 30

11:58:24 mircea_popescu: you just get one burn-in session

11:58:30 mircea_popescu: then come back next year for a new configuration

11:58:41 nubbins`: http://radiantskinclinic.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Skin_Lightening_Category.jpg

11:58:46 mircea_popescu: i guess this is why, gotta keep changing the machines

11:58:47 nubbins`: look at my beautiful leopard spots ;(

11:59:03 KRS1: ;[

11:59:08 mircea_popescu: nubbins` pick a younger one.

11:59:09 nubbins`: time for brekkies

11:59:09 KRS1: .bait

11:59:11 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/c0436fd40234a5f84fd9db3b5ad611a7/tumblr_mexoihHqBQ1qzaab4o1_1280.jpg

11:59:40 KRS1: you are hawt nubbins

12:02:16 punkman: .bait

12:02:17 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma13iuiAeD1r6bw5mo1_1280.jpg

12:03:40 punkman: http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/first-ever-porsche-rediscovered-electric-power-1898-200915772.html

12:03:42 ozbot: First-Ever Porsche Rediscovered: Electric Power from 1898 - Yahoo Finance Canada

12:03:48 mircea_popescu: so it looks like argentina will be getting a currency reform

12:03:56 mircea_popescu: that's the fifth or so peso they ruined, those people.

12:04:45 Duffer1: andreas antonopolous talked about that a bit recently in an interview with joe rogan

12:05:25 Duffer1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cexawnOlR8&feature=youtu.be&a

12:05:26 ozbot: Joe Rogan Experience #446 - Andreas Antonopoulos - YouTube

12:06:42 Duffer1: it's a good interview if you need to brush up on some good sounding talking points

12:07:23 mircea_popescu: uh lol

12:08:21 mircea_popescu: from cnn right after the O speech last night: I think I?ve said before that I think a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex. The worst there ever was is still excellent, and I thought he gave a very competent performance tonight?

12:08:31 mircea_popescu: dude, poor brejnev. he never had such fluffers.

12:13:05 BingoBoingo: The wonders or beauracracy: Fill out the form or devise your own identical form http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/01/little_sisters_contraception_mandate_case_it_s_about_more_than_just_a_form.html

12:17:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that entire dispute is pretty much a testament to how fundamentally unworkable the system has become

12:17:44 mircea_popescu: can you explain to me what it's about ?

12:18:01 mircea_popescu: i mean... i don't get it, i consider myself educated and so forth but i can't come to a conclusion

12:19:18 truffles: an intellectual but not a genius :D

12:19:24 mircea_popescu: are they saying "we don't have to sign something we don't want to sign because jesus" ? is it mopre like "we don't want to say anything definite about abortion in writing because we can't grok the consequences" ?

12:19:53 mircea_popescu: it half reads like "forms make baby jesus cry" tbh.

12:19:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Basically some group had a religious objection to a form (they were nuns) . They pretested the need to complete the form in court. The court said well, you don't need to do that form, but you can fill out this identical form we imagineered or produce your own identical form. (the form relating to some Obamacar Birth Control thing)

12:20:08 mircea_popescu: no i know the generalities.

12:20:23 mircea_popescu: but WHY did they protestg, what's being objected to exactly ?

12:21:15 BingoBoingo: Well, that they have to fill out a form to not cover birth control for their employees.

12:21:37 BingoBoingo: Basically there being a form at all seems to actually make Baby Jesus cry was their argument.

12:21:59 BingoBoingo: Not that they had to cover the birth control, but that there was a form.

12:21:59 mircea_popescu: and how's a court supposed to rule on that ?

12:22:03 mircea_popescu: they need the fucking rota.

12:22:19 kakobrekla: they checked for tears

12:22:27 mircea_popescu: lol

12:22:39 mircea_popescu: "sorry, no tears were found. case dismissed"

12:22:45 kakobrekla: yea

12:23:03 mircea_popescu: btw, i hear you should be hacked.

12:23:11 mircea_popescu: and the monyz distributed to charity

12:23:17 kakobrekla: hm?

12:23:18 mircea_popescu: on robinhoodtalk.org

12:23:42 Duffer1: sherif mcpopescu

12:23:45 kakobrekla: first time i hear it

12:23:45 Duffer1: of nottingham

12:23:47 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.0

12:23:49 ozbot: Ripped OFF by bitbet.us

12:24:34 Duffer1: scrooge mcpopescu - L. Ron Popescu - now Sherif Popescu

12:24:37 kakobrekla: aha, derps herping about derp

12:24:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nono. derps HERPING about derp.

12:24:56 kakobrekla: :p

12:24:59 mircea_popescu: isn't it sheriff ?

12:25:08 mircea_popescu: who stole my other f

12:25:11 Duffer1: how dare you spellcheck me

12:25:15 mircea_popescu: you buncha commies. you redistributed it did you

12:25:21 Duffer1: ha

12:25:22 kakobrekla: lmao

12:25:48 assbot: Last 18 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1575146/plain/)

12:25:48 mircea_popescu: !b 18

12:26:45 truffles: sad display circle jerk

12:27:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.43 = 8.6 BTC [+]

12:27:45 BingoBoingo: I am sad to announce that I don't want to bet on this superbowl. When the most interesting player is the fucking underdog's cornerback... I'm out.

12:28:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know, i burned a lot of cycles on the subject of why the fuck sports bets are faring so poorly on bitbet.

12:28:26 truffles: betting on sports is like watching money leave pocket

12:28:47 kakobrekla: >Furthermore, notice that a winning bet of .011 returns less than the bet itself (despite its weight), if you even happen to get it.

12:28:48 mircea_popescu: the obvious explanation, and perhaps the likely one, is that bitbet just isn't particularly central in the betting space.

12:28:49 kakobrekla: LMAO

12:28:55 BingoBoingo: truffles: I'm net up on the past year

12:29:08 kakobrekla: "Hi, im a brick, i have opinions."

12:29:10 truffles: sample size 1 year

12:29:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly bitbet isn lagging on sports because it is too good at finance

12:29:17 mircea_popescu: however, it may also be that SPORTS BETTING isn't central. or in other words : the focus on advertising, scandal and bullshit, as wel las changing social mores and expectations have pretty much killed that model.

12:29:25 truffles: lemme know in 3 or more

12:29:34 mircea_popescu: nobody cares anymore about sports, and the bets continue sort-of by inertia, like investment in yahoo continues.

12:29:52 Duffer1: MP or there's not enough sports book being made to attract a betting crowd

12:30:14 mircea_popescu: so in that theory, they will exist in old venues (like days ago someone mentioned old style phone service that's still continued . to the death of the captive customer)

12:30:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00437075 = 0.2185 BTC [+] {5}

12:30:19 mircea_popescu: but in new venues it ain't happening.

12:30:32 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 nowhere ?

12:30:34 BingoBoingo: Well, of course it is inertia. It also pulls the sports bettors to more dangerous venues that offer lines on as many competitions as possible, as opposed to safe ole bitbet that only tries to offer profitable competitions

12:31:07 BingoBoingo: Basically Bitbet is too responsible to attract sports bettors.

12:31:13 mircea_popescu: so perhaps a correct model could be, "sports betting consists of people who lived in the 70s, had fun with bets in the 70s, continuing to do what they did then, where they did it then"

12:31:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.43099999 = 4.31 BTC [+]

12:31:40 mircea_popescu: if that's the case, a start-up hoping to get that market on a new model would be kinda doomed. the paying customer is too old to move and the young customer does not exist.

12:32:10 BingoBoingo: Prolly and nao where it interesects with bitcoin includes you kids who wish they were in the 70's so they could sync iPods on their PDP-11

12:32:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but there are plenty of insane bets on bitbet

12:32:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.43624848 = 8.725 BTC [+] {6}

12:32:44 ThickAsThieves: [07:25] <mircea_popescu> you buncha commies. you redistributed it did you <<< There is no escape from decentralization, chaos is nature after all!

12:32:46 mircea_popescu: perhaps not the right kind of insane.

12:32:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, but I imagine most sports bettors never had the money to make a dent in the 2B difficulty bet.

12:33:03 Duffer1: bets not being created doesn't necessarily mean lack of interest in betting with bitcoin, if there was a specific section dedicated to live odds sports book it just might attract more people

12:33:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.44649998 = 4.465 BTC [+] {3}

12:33:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00088522 = 13.8094 BTC [+] {2}

12:33:29 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 there's at least half a dozen diff sites that tried - and failed - to live on that model.

12:33:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As far as football this year goes though, the NFL has had one on its most boring years in history.

12:33:48 Duffer1: i wouldn't know, just a thought ^.^

12:33:58 mircea_popescu: the problem is this : other than the intrinsic unfairness to the bettors of the line model, it also requires VERY highly skilled people working for the hgouse, and non stop.

12:34:04 mircea_popescu: you can't afford to pay for these without volume.

12:34:17 kakobrekla: bah fuck you, now i replied.

12:34:19 BingoBoingo: Last year Ray Lewis was in the Superbowl for stabbin bitches. This year Richard Sherman is in for yelling.

12:34:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.4596874 = 7.355 BTC [+] {6}

12:34:22 mircea_popescu: if you don't pay for them, then you'll get raped.

12:34:35 herbijudlestoids: you dont think HFT bots can handle the job mircea_popescu?

12:34:46 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids on whose software ?

12:34:55 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: They those bots have openings too.

12:35:00 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> nobody cares anymore about sports, and the bets continue sort-of by inertia, like investment in yahoo continues. <<< maybe it's like the forum sports betting is just a buncha scammers and noobs alt-betting

12:35:04 mircea_popescu: hft bots aren't a magic amulet, like "bitcoin makes me anon so i can buy drugz"

12:35:08 herbijudlestoids: i guess ot make a good bot would require similar investment to having good people

12:35:18 BingoBoingo: HTF bots get owned by Slow penetrating bots

12:35:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]

12:35:26 mircea_popescu: it's a war race.

12:35:26 herbijudlestoids: good bot+infrastructure

12:35:31 herbijudlestoids: arms race?

12:35:31 herbijudlestoids: yea

12:35:41 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i have no idea what's going on, tbh.

12:35:59 ThickAsThieves: it's really way simpler an explanation

12:36:16 ThickAsThieves: you have no exposure to the sports betting audience

12:36:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.51416231 = 5.6558 BTC [+] {4}

12:36:24 herbijudlestoids: moral of the story: just like all other businesses, an appropriate level of investment is required to have a successful outcome

12:36:37 BingoBoingo: I mean the people who claim to bitcoin sportsbet seem to overlap with the BTC poker people

12:36:41 ThickAsThieves: they dont even own bitcoins

12:36:44 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is factual. the question of interest however, is if such an audience even exists, and other such things.

12:37:09 truffles: betting site but doesnt know market hmmm

12:37:20 mircea_popescu: truffles nobody knows the market. some people admit to it.

12:37:30 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: if you offered them a betting model that has a lower house commission, etc they might be very interested

12:37:41 ThickAsThieves: it's like trying to sell truffles at a Patriots game

12:37:45 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what's the house comission on line betting normally ? 2-5% ?

12:37:51 ThickAsThieves: theyll be like eww mushrooms!

12:37:52 herbijudlestoids: yea about that

12:37:53 truffles: haha

12:37:56 mircea_popescu: bitbet does 1%

12:38:10 herbijudlestoids: but is there good game coverage and high liquidity?

12:38:13 mircea_popescu: the difference to your risk of ruin between 1 and 4% is HUGE

12:38:20 herbijudlestoids: yep

12:38:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00438319 = 0.2542 BTC [+] {4}

12:38:25 mircea_popescu: it has more liquidity than vegas and no coverage at all

12:38:29 mircea_popescu: in spite of coverage being self-serve.

12:38:38 herbijudlestoids: so then i would posit its simply a matter of marketing

12:38:42 mircea_popescu: bitbet actually PAYS 100 dollars for every bet made, yet people don't make sports bets.

12:38:47 herbijudlestoids: did anyone allocate $500,000 or $1,000,000 to marketing?

12:38:59 mircea_popescu: it would seem so, but i have suspicions that it's simply a question of there not being a market.

12:39:05 herbijudlestoids: hmm

12:39:11 ThickAsThieves: yeah

12:39:16 mircea_popescu: which is a question that has to be resolved bfore i throw money at marketing people.

12:39:16 chetty: The federal agency charged with helping consumers make better financial decisions is facing questions about how it has managed its own money.

12:39:21 mircea_popescu: i have no doubt they can spend it.

12:39:21 ThickAsThieves: dont go marketing truffles to football fans

12:39:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00088532 = 11.9518 BTC [+]

12:39:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00438354 = 0.3945 BTC [+] {3}

12:39:26 ThickAsThieves: it makes no sense

12:39:31 mircea_popescu: ahahaha chetty that's gold

12:39:55 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves obviously more research is needed here. for one thing, how do we even know they're truffles.

12:39:59 herbijudlestoids: the other option is ramp the entry costs and target high net worth betters

12:40:07 mircea_popescu: just cause we think we're pretty cool ?

12:40:24 herbijudlestoids: offer the 1% rate as a high net worth perk

12:40:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51677618 = 2.5839 BTC [+]

12:40:27 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i would love to target high net work bettors, strictly to hear why they think it sucks.

12:40:29 ThickAsThieves: well what is the most popular form of sports betting, its that intrade shares shit right?

12:40:40 mircea_popescu: i don't have a book. anyone has/knows someone with a large old style book ?

12:40:47 herbijudlestoids: many moons ago i used to work as an ops guy for a large cable tv company

12:40:56 BingoBoingo: You know for someone who uses shady forum advertised sports books quite a bit... I prolly ought to look harder at who runs them.

12:40:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves intrade is ded. not sure if popular tbh, but definitely dead.

12:41:06 herbijudlestoids: and one of the security guards happened to be extremely well off, but he worked as a guard to keep the tax offic eoff his back

12:41:17 mircea_popescu: ha.

12:41:24 herbijudlestoids: he owned a couple of horses and was relatively well known with the sydney horse racing community

12:41:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14088 @ 0.00088811 = 12.5117 BTC [+] {2}

12:41:29 herbijudlestoids: owners, hedge fungs etc

12:41:32 mircea_popescu: so get him on assets.

12:41:33 herbijudlestoids: s/fungs/funds

12:41:40 mircea_popescu: funguses

12:41:51 herbijudlestoids: one of my friends has my old job, ill ask him if the dude still works there

12:42:03 herbijudlestoids: he *always* used to hassle me about making him an algo to arb the different online markets

12:42:06 ThickAsThieves: just buy a biz that already has sports penetration

12:42:11 herbijudlestoids: ^

12:42:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes, but i can't do that while random fuckwits keep smoking pot and getting arrested.

12:42:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00438754 = 0.4388 BTC [+] {3}

12:42:41 ThickAsThieves: aww cmon

12:42:42 mircea_popescu: because i'd have to have a bank do it for me, and i'd have to impose they interface btc, which they don;'t wish to do etc.

12:42:47 ThickAsThieves: is that really you talking?

12:42:48 mircea_popescu: well, what ?

12:43:10 mircea_popescu: you want me to do an acquisition over irc ?

12:43:14 ThickAsThieves: lol

12:43:21 mircea_popescu: i'll need a bank, what.

12:43:23 truffles: fuckwits hmm

12:43:25 herbijudlestoids: fund some geeks in seattle to make the business

12:43:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00439999 = 0.2156 BTC [+] {2}

12:43:37 mircea_popescu: a start-up is not what we're discussing here.

12:43:42 BingoBoingo: I hear Seattle sports teams are cheap

12:43:46 mircea_popescu: i should leverage-buyout the horseshoe.

12:43:53 ThickAsThieves: ok new plan

12:43:57 mircea_popescu: then i'd have their book, go through the past 20 years, talk to everyone.

12:43:58 ThickAsThieves: hire the manager

12:44:07 mircea_popescu: the manager is probably under a contract.

12:44:08 ThickAsThieves: that runs the successful sports biz

12:44:14 BingoBoingo: The Mariners might be 10K BTC this year and 1 K BTC next year

12:44:24 ThickAsThieves: lawyers

12:44:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 197 @ 0.00445469 = 0.8776 BTC [+] {7}

12:44:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and anyway, who ?

12:44:38 mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm talking about it. who knows someone ?

12:44:49 ThickAsThieves: you know the imaginary hotshot pro i made up in my head

12:44:55 mircea_popescu: a ok.

12:45:06 mircea_popescu: we making a movie here or what.

12:45:09 herbijudlestoids: hmm lemme ask someone something

12:45:16 mircea_popescu: ask everyone everything.

12:45:39 ThickAsThieves: #1 google return I get is http://www.bovada.lv/

12:45:40 ThickAsThieves: fwiw

12:45:55 truffles: oh look who doest know everything

12:46:01 herbijudlestoids: damn nvm

12:46:17 BingoBoingo: truffles: The things are these are things no one knows

12:46:24 herbijudlestoids: i thought i knew someone in online sports advertising but it was music and the business has been sold to VICE anyway

12:46:24 ThickAsThieves: sports bettings seems like such a chore, gawd

12:46:32 mircea_popescu: it is a fucking chore.

12:46:49 mircea_popescu: buncha old farts who think themselves cutting edge because they sorta-can read the email their granddaughter sends

12:46:50 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Betting is a chore. I could not imagin the pain of running a venture.

12:47:07 mircea_popescu: except they miss about half the pics, like say the drunken shots of her getting shagged in front of the courthouse.

12:47:09 ThickAsThieves: nah sports is a whole other level of pain

12:47:19 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: what about if instead of a bank

12:47:28 herbijudlestoids: you contacted one of the hedge funds that deals in bitcoins

12:47:35 herbijudlestoids: and asked them to do the accq?

12:47:45 mircea_popescu: the ones that failed to get listed on mpex and imagine they're into bitcoin ?

12:47:58 mircea_popescu: yeah, this sounds promising. and i'll have to do what, explain to them what they're doing wrong ?

12:48:06 herbijudlestoids: yeah, what do you care, you just need a funnel right?

12:48:30 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: In BTC businesses with funnels die.

12:48:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00468746 = 0.1125 BTC [+] {5}

12:48:37 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Namecheap/status/428158030015107072 << people always know better.

12:48:37 ozbot: Twitter / Namecheap: @Mircea_Popescu LOL, they're ...

12:48:42 herbijudlestoids: i saw on linkedin there was at least one HF looking to hire BTC trader, so someone must be looking to build their book

12:48:48 herbijudlestoids: just a suggestion

12:48:57 ThickAsThieves: maybe you are barking up the wrongs tree

12:49:03 mircea_popescu: maybe so.

12:49:04 ThickAsThieves: why try to be something youre not

12:49:22 ThickAsThieves: exploit something you can destroy at instead

12:50:04 mircea_popescu: because i don't wish to destroy, i wish to exist. bitcoin is essential to this, and so here i am doing things i don't particularly wish to do on their own,

12:50:15 mircea_popescu: so that this thing may ruin the faces and lives of people i don't like.

12:50:34 herbijudlestoids: truly a nobler cause could not be undertaken

12:50:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00479789 = 0.1199 BTC [+] {2}

12:50:41 ThickAsThieves: maybe bitbet can get into some kind of futures offerings

12:50:43 mircea_popescu: i guess. anyway.

12:50:53 mircea_popescu: somewhere there's an old greaseball who knows all the angles of line betting.

12:51:00 Duffer1: TaT like MPEx? hehe

12:51:03 mircea_popescu: there, de niro's character in casino. that guy.

12:51:07 mircea_popescu: i want that guy!

12:51:24 Duffer1: you'll need a joe peschi though too

12:51:31 ThickAsThieves: but mpex is not bitbet

12:51:33 mircea_popescu: no, that's the beauty of it. i won't need a joe pesci.

12:51:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.51728865 = 10.3458 BTC [+] {4}

12:51:50 mircea_popescu: the entire rest of bloodsuckers is going away. i just need the one guy.

12:52:03 mircea_popescu: that's exactly the engine of this entire thing.

12:52:10 mircea_popescu: firing all those people.

12:52:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.526675 = 2.1067 BTC [+] {2}

12:52:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 387 @ 0.00484029 = 1.8732 BTC [+] {13}

12:53:22 ThickAsThieves: lol, the forum whined so hard they got Friedcat to finally comment

12:53:24 ThickAsThieves: poor form

12:53:38 herbijudlestoids: link

12:53:49 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4816778#msg4816778

12:53:50 ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

12:54:07 ThickAsThieves: i've begun to hate that title

12:54:19 mircea_popescu: in fairness the fallout is a lot less than i imagined this summer.

12:54:23 ThickAsThieves: "inventing" starting to feel kike "making it up"

12:54:27 ThickAsThieves: like*

12:54:30 BingoBoingo: As far as cover every even sports betting people go https://bitbook.biz/ has been reliable, but I have no idea if they are running fractional reserve off of some dude who deposited a few hundred BTC last spring and then went into a coma. I just don't trust line sites much after http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/05/a-descent-into-scam-bitcoinsports-eu/

12:54:34 mircea_popescu: am shares shed a degree of magnitude, nobody's particularly fazed.

12:54:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 330 @ 0.00499945 = 1.6498 BTC [+] {10}

12:54:44 mircea_popescu: maybe people are better at pricing the future than given credit for.

12:55:25 ThickAsThieves: "mass delivery date is still March"

12:55:26 BingoBoingo: Oh, Halep plays in 2 hours

12:55:29 ThickAsThieves: March is a date?

12:55:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone here with a salesman's slick and within distance of vegas ?

12:55:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00499995 = 0.63 BTC [+] {3}

12:55:51 ThickAsThieves: salesman in vegas? that's another breed

12:56:06 mircea_popescu: 1-200 miles, whatever one drives comfortably.

12:56:41 herbijudlestoids: what are you after? someone who can lay bets off into the casinos?

12:56:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7213 @ 0.00089423 = 6.4501 BTC [+] {2}

12:56:46 herbijudlestoids: or bookies or whatever

12:57:32 mircea_popescu: no, someone who can go to each bookie, take their main line man out to lunch, hussle him to talk to me.

12:57:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5637 @ 0.00089478 = 5.0439 BTC [+]

12:57:58 mircea_popescu: people are more a resource than cash, yet people steal cash way more often than people.

12:58:01 mircea_popescu: start stealing people.

12:58:03 truffles: make them an offer they cant refuse?

12:58:09 ThickAsThieves: sounds kinda fun, if I were 24 and single

12:58:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves indeed. bitcoin is first and foremost fun.

12:58:33 mircea_popescu: truffles no, make them an effort they certainly can't refuse, but won't.

12:58:42 mircea_popescu: certainly can*

12:58:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00499999 = 0.4 BTC [+] {2}

12:58:46 ThickAsThieves: Specification

12:58:46 ThickAsThieves: Process node: 40nm

12:58:46 ThickAsThieves: Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)

12:58:46 ThickAsThieves: I/O: Standard SPI protocol with clk, in, out and cs.

12:58:46 ThickAsThieves: Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options

12:58:46 ThickAsThieves: Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V

12:58:46 ThickAsThieves: Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage

12:59:09 ThickAsThieves: Price range

12:59:09 ThickAsThieves: 0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.

12:59:11 truffles: if they knew who u were would they want to work for u :D

12:59:12 mircea_popescu: 4watt chips ?

12:59:32 truffles: i certainly wouldnt

12:59:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1495 @ 0.00082053 = 1.2267 BTC [-] {2}

12:59:46 mircea_popescu: lol. do you even work ?

12:59:54 truffles: irrelevant

12:59:56 BingoBoingo: I'm about 10x the recommended distance.

13:00:01 jcpham: does it mine the litecoins though

13:00:06 mircea_popescu: hahaha. seriously, do you have any employment truffles ?

13:00:21 ThickAsThieves: truffles is on disability

13:00:31 truffles: :(

13:00:43 mircea_popescu: so he wouldn't work for me because whatever, nor for anyone else for entirely different reasons.

13:00:43 ThickAsThieves: (guessing)

13:00:45 BingoBoingo: I lack the salesman slick though

13:00:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10870 @ 0.00088529 = 9.6231 BTC [-]

13:00:47 mircea_popescu: that settls that i guess.

13:01:08 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so practice.

13:01:28 mircea_popescu: get a friend, make pitches each day, send me one a week, i'll tell you when you're good for vegas.

13:01:35 ThickAsThieves: if youre american, youve been in training for sales your whole life

13:01:39 BingoBoingo: I guess I'll start practicing this weekend.

13:01:54 mircea_popescu: even if you never get good enough for vegas, it'll help your love life.

13:02:02 mircea_popescu: also ThickAsThieves has a point.

13:02:26 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo, that comment from happy wheels is a spam, you do know that rite?

13:02:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00499999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}

13:03:20 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Was it? I just thought they had bad taste in links

13:03:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.56376336 = 16.9129 BTC [+] {7}

13:03:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC [+]

13:04:18 ThickAsThieves: the gem crowd is engorged right now

13:04:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess I'll practice this salesmanship thing. Shame I couldn't be practicing it at this new work circus. I mean seriously public speaking and reading shit verbatim?

13:04:25 ThickAsThieves: they love them some friedcat posts

13:04:27 kakobrekla: ;;google "You really make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this matter to be actually something which I think I would never understand."

13:04:27 gribble: Anchor Audio BLOG: http://www.anchoraudio.com/index.php?id=448; The Logic of Stupid Poor People | tressiemc: http://tressiemc.com/2013/10/29/the-logic-of-stupid-poor-people/; Adding MLS on Your Website - Beyond Creative: http://gobeyondcreative.com/web-design/adding-mls-website/

13:04:43 kakobrekla: meh, well, you get the point.

13:05:25 kakobrekla: here http://www.google.com/search?&q="You+really+make+it+seem+so+easy+with+your+presentation+but+I+find+this+matter+to+be+actually+something+which+I+think+I+would+never+understand."

13:05:29 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/29/5356498/eve-online-battle-sees-200000-dollars-worth-of-spaceships-destroyed

13:05:30 ozbot: Spaceships worth more than $200,000 destroyed in biggest virtual space battle ever | The Verge

13:05:38 ThickAsThieves: did you supply the guns mp?

13:06:43 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: If I still was active on Eve the best I could have supplied for that would have been a gnat like thing full of viscious, still more gnat like things.

13:06:53 herbijudlestoids: im a professional spruiker but i already got a job i like and also much further away from vegas :P

13:07:11 kakobrekla: is this how eulora is going to go down? "a village ripped in Eulora, 2000 BTC btc carriages destroyed and horses burned"

13:07:36 Duffer1: that would be amazing

13:07:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

13:07:59 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i read about that on slashdot, some interesting comments, some people put the value at half or less, a lot of people mentioned how reading about EVE battles is better than the battles :P

13:08:18 herbijudlestoids: i gotta admit the description of the battle was quite interesting for someone who has never played the game

13:08:32 Duffer1: i "watched" a live stream of the battle on twitch.tv

13:09:03 BingoBoingo: I'm starting to get kind of interesting in this idea of poaching talent from places that aren't East St Louis.

13:09:03 herbijudlestoids: actually thats an idea i had while reading aboutthe battle, game servers people can rent in BTC

13:09:12 Duffer1: it looked like a space themed desktop background rather than a game

13:10:14 herbijudlestoids: lol

13:12:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60490001 = 2.4196 BTC [+] {3}

13:13:09 herbijudlestoids: does anyone know who runs freebitco.in?

13:13:22 herbijudlestoids: seems unlike other bitcoin faucets in that it really just is a faucet

13:13:40 herbijudlestoids: all the others you need to click an ad or watch a video or whatever

13:13:48 herbijudlestoids: also i like the simple website

13:13:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 624 @ 0.00502002 = 3.1325 BTC [+] {6}

13:14:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.6315351 = 25.8929 BTC [+] {12}

13:14:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 900 @ 0.00046001 = 0.414 BTC [+] {3}

13:15:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00519874 = 0.4159 BTC [+] {4}

13:16:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 217 @ 0.00545822 = 1.1844 BTC [+] {12}

13:17:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00568028 = 0.1874 BTC [+] {8}

13:17:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.04484043 = 2.7801 BTC [-] {11}

13:18:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00589 = 0.913 BTC [+] {2}

13:18:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6498 = 2.5992 BTC [+] {2}

13:18:08 herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_%28Unix%29

13:18:08 ozbot: fortune (Unix) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13:18:16 herbijudlestoids: interesting errata

13:18:21 jimmyjazz: yo

13:18:38 kakobrekla: hi

13:18:51 jimmyjazz: was up

13:19:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63980002 BTC [-]

13:20:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088948 = 10.0956 BTC [+]

13:20:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04899998 = 0.196 BTC [+]

13:22:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63980002 = 4.4786 BTC [-]

13:22:44 kakobrekla: >As you saw I sent an email to all FIMB holders regarding repayment. I plan on repaying 50% now and the rest as my personal mining income comes in.

13:22:50 kakobrekla: haha

13:25:09 mircea_popescu: what's fimb even

13:25:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6575 = 3.945 BTC [+] {2}

13:25:34 kakobrekla: garrets second or third scam

13:25:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i mostly supply the fuel the stations run on

13:26:00 mircea_popescu: for one of the species (the one everyone plays)

13:26:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.66710002 = 6.671 BTC [+] {2}

13:26:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 230 @ 0.00588852 = 1.3544 BTC [-] {3}

13:26:51 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids it's insanely boring, really.

13:27:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04899999 = 0.735 BTC [+]

13:27:58 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: what is, sorry?

13:28:05 mircea_popescu: eve

13:28:08 herbijudlestoids: ah right

13:28:27 mircea_popescu: i mean if you're into trading then ok, you got a penny stock market.

13:28:31 herbijudlestoids: im too busy thinking of ideas and then not implementing them because theyre not perfect

13:28:41 mircea_popescu: otherwise it's more like... yea, what Duffer1

13:28:42 mircea_popescu: said

13:28:44 herbijudlestoids: nah, i trade on the regular markets :)

13:29:07 herbijudlestoids: i have a whole farm of algos, waiting for vols to die down on bitcoin before i try them out there

13:29:23 herbijudlestoids: penny stocks not my bag

13:30:24 herbijudlestoids: send me the EOD data for MPOE and i will backtest it against one of the simpler ones

13:31:43 herbijudlestoids: you sould send a couple of BTC to the guy who writes quantmod for R to add feed support for MPEX :D

13:31:44 kakobrekla: lol, the ideas.

13:32:19 mircea_popescu: there's pympex, why should i support the proprietary pastures of the obsolete world ?

13:32:21 mircea_popescu: let them move over.

13:33:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.67389999 = 6.739 BTC [+] {3}

13:33:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 492 @ 0.00588943 = 2.8976 BTC [+] {3}

13:33:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.049 = 2.891 BTC [+]

13:33:52 herbijudlestoids: hmm ok so this is for trading? im talking about data feed for quantitative analysis...timeseries of the price of the contracts/assets

13:34:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.67475 = 5.398 BTC [+] {2}

13:34:21 herbijudlestoids: quantmod has a function getSymbols() so i can pull say, 2000 bars of EOD data for an ETF and run various analysis against it

13:34:56 herbijudlestoids: supports yahoo finance, mysql backend, etc...im just suggesting fund the dev to add support so that it can pull the price feed off mpex with getSymbols too

13:34:59 mircea_popescu: afaik there's some people offering the full history, including kako

13:35:07 mircea_popescu: otherwise you can just query mpex and form your own history.

13:35:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00289899 = 0.2899 BTC [+] {2}

13:35:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00088529 = 15.0499 BTC [-]

13:35:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00596764 = 0.4237 BTC [+] {5}

13:36:01 herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: can haz data pls?

13:36:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00613504 = 0.6135 BTC [+] {7}

13:36:36 kakobrekla: http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/

13:36:37 ozbot: MPEX Socket | #bitcoin-assets

13:37:02 herbijudlestoids: anyone doing analysis on this timeseries already?

13:37:39 mircea_popescu: what was mike's blog

13:37:47 herbijudlestoids: so but i need a MPex login for this?

13:38:28 mircea_popescu: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/when-does-bitbet-money-come-in/

13:38:29 ozbot: When Does BitBet Money Come In? - Btc Alpha

13:39:19 nubbins`: "Of further note, if vegas paid out the way this Matic "Tic, hence bloodsucker" guy pays out, they'd be entirely shutdown in less than 24 hours."

13:39:26 nubbins`: Matic Pitiscu

13:39:57 kakobrekla: tic, sounds like tits but means dick.

13:39:58 mircea_popescu: course matic is not read like mah tick but like mytits

13:40:10 kakobrekla: yea

13:40:18 kakobrekla: mahtitis

13:40:20 mircea_popescu: cause he's such a boob :D

13:40:26 kakobrekla: eh mahtits

13:40:33 herbijudlestoids: i guess no response means im a retard

13:40:43 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you don't need a mpex acct to read the feed im sure.

13:41:11 mircea_popescu: and a few people are doing more or less something with the data, but there's always room for more

13:41:14 mircea_popescu: an' merrier.

13:42:08 mircea_popescu: global warming hits florida : schools closed down because of the carbon footprint everywhere.

13:42:11 mircea_popescu: personally, i blame dub.

13:42:25 herbijudlestoids: ah it says contact kakobrekla for username

13:42:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00008142 = 0.2036 BTC [-] {13}

13:42:49 herbijudlestoids: can haz?

13:42:51 kakobrekla: yes, this reading thing, very powerful stuff

13:43:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 232 @ 0.00615889 = 1.4289 BTC [+] {2}

13:43:32 kakobrekla: its 1 btc per year iirc

13:44:09 nubbins`: why, that's only pennies per hour!

13:44:29 kakobrekla: indeed

13:44:31 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1*infinity / 365*24*3600

13:44:31 gribble: Error: 'infinity' is not a defined function.

13:44:34 mircea_popescu: shit.

13:44:38 kakobrekla: lol

13:45:06 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1*(all the monyz in the world) / 365*24*3600

13:45:06 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

13:45:18 mircea_popescu: gribble is not so smart.

13:46:07 herbijudlestoids: i dont want a subscription to the feed, i can append to it manually as necessary but i just wanted a one off dump of the existing EOD data

13:46:27 kakobrekla: i want icecream and b lowjob

13:46:35 herbijudlestoids: if its too hard, nw, just a thought that popped in my head then my plan was always to use the algos on BTCUSD in the future :)

13:46:48 truffles: some ppl want free help but they dont want to give free help

13:47:10 herbijudlestoids: for now they are hard at work on regular markets

13:47:19 mircea_popescu: no rush, rly.

13:48:21 herbijudlestoids: truffles: i happen to think free data is useful and democratising, allowing people like me to do today what was only in the purview of hedge funds and instos just 10y ago

13:48:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.66675 = 2.667 BTC [-] {2}

13:48:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1600 @ 0.00615889 = 9.8542 BTC [+]

13:48:44 AleksG: Hello, Mr. Mircea Popescu. I wrote to you about cryptography. I wrote to you about cryptography. Here you can download a video presentation of the world's absolute cryptographic protection http://rmxcrypt.com/

13:48:44 mircea_popescu: finance and democracy don't mix.

13:48:47 herbijudlestoids: but whatevs, i go where the data and liquidity is, plenty of it around

13:48:55 mircea_popescu: hello AleksG. got a transcript ?

13:49:22 truffles: greed and democracy wont mix

13:50:03 mircea_popescu: "greed" is a meaningless symbol only defined in your own system. it's about as important as flogiston, generally.

13:50:21 truffles: lol

13:50:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.049 = 0.147 BTC [+]

13:51:47 AleksG: Other information I can send you by email

13:52:03 mircea_popescu: as presented your statement readily reduces to "that which people do which isn't reducible to our own idiocy and our own idiocy don't mix", which further reduces to nonA is disjunct from A. which it is. whoop.

13:52:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285 = 0.285 BTC [-]

13:52:45 truffles: guess u want pat on the back for missing the point

13:53:06 mircea_popescu: no, i mostly use you as a cockpuppet to illustrate the concepts involved for the general readership.

13:53:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061 = 0.122 BTC [-]

13:53:53 truffles: sure take 1 or 2 examples to make a point that is unsupported then call it fact right

13:54:36 mircea_popescu: i took an example ?! which /

13:54:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]

13:55:04 herbijudlestoids: shit guys

13:55:07 herbijudlestoids: dont worry about it

13:55:21 truffles: this is an ongoing argument

13:55:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.655 BTC [+]

13:55:43 herbijudlestoids: asking for free data, bad idea, continue with the discussion about vegas or eve or whatever

13:56:00 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i think we long forgot about that lol

13:56:25 truffles: this is about arguing with a wall

13:56:28 mircea_popescu: but srsly, the data is free, query mpex, get the jsons, store them, in a week or w/e you have your sample.

13:56:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00088758 = 22.1007 BTC [+]

13:56:53 mircea_popescu: if you can't wait a week or w/e it takes pay someone who already did it, if you don't like paying wait, whatevs.

13:57:08 herbijudlestoids: ok, i will add it to my TODO, 1am here, almost bed

13:57:25 herbijudlestoids: nah i can wait setup a VM in the dc to wait for me

13:57:43 mircea_popescu: exactly.

13:59:32 kakobrekla: you can also grep logs or chan

13:59:53 herbijudlestoids: this is trueee

13:59:56 kakobrekla: the data on the socket is from late 2012, thats the point.

14:00:17 truffles: herbijudlestoids do ulive in america?

14:00:21 herbijudlestoids: no aus

14:00:26 truffles: ok

14:00:51 truffles: u said that yesterday !

14:00:59 truffles: or days ago ..

14:01:03 herbijudlestoids: it was true yesterday?

14:01:29 truffles: nah my unscientific poll that i will randomly keep

14:02:03 herbijudlestoids: vexual is from aus, he lives near a friend of mine and asked me if that friend accepted bitcoin for his jewellery so i convinced him to get a bitpay acct and he did

14:02:13 herbijudlestoids: if anyone sees vexual tell him so pls :P

14:02:23 mircea_popescu: vexual buying joolry now ?

14:02:37 herbijudlestoids: http://www.larridinya.com/

14:02:41 ozbot: Larridinya Carvings Jade and Bone

14:02:42 nubbins`: herbijudlestoids, try ;;later tell vexual hey bru i have something to tell you

14:02:46 truffles: u can do the command

14:02:49 truffles: slow pony

14:02:51 mircea_popescu: is she hawt ?

14:02:57 herbijudlestoids: its a he

14:03:02 mircea_popescu: is he hawt ?

14:03:13 herbijudlestoids: ;;later vexual yo my mates store is accepting BTC now

14:03:14 gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "vexual" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

14:03:22 herbijudlestoids: ;;later tell vexual yo my mates store is accepting BTC now

14:03:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:03:23 truffles: forget the tell

14:03:27 herbijudlestoids: i am a spammy cunt, sorry

14:03:29 mircea_popescu: actually these aren't awful. http://www.larridinya.com/wp-content/uploads/lilly-flower-carving2-e1374372458397-700x525.jpg

14:03:34 herbijudlestoids: yes, i know

14:03:56 herbijudlestoids: he is hawt i guess, very smart guy, chemist and biologist who lives in the paradiseyiest bit of aus

14:04:06 truffles: sounds hot

14:04:12 herbijudlestoids: equatorial

14:04:14 nubbins`: i liked australia more when i knew less about it

14:04:21 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: irukandji

14:04:22 mircea_popescu: the best thing about postmodernism is just how nicely varied people are these days.

14:04:50 truffles: jewelry i might actually wear :D

14:05:03 BingoBoingo: The best thing Australia probably produced was this dud http://www.27bslash6.com

14:05:07 herbijudlestoids: i told him to get a bitpay account and bitcoin cunts would support him just for accepting bitcoin

14:05:08 BingoBoingo: *dude

14:05:11 herbijudlestoids: dont let me down, bitcoin cunts

14:05:22 mircea_popescu: he's not australian, he's a brit neh ?

14:05:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty sure he talks about being an Aussie

14:05:51 mircea_popescu: hm

14:06:01 herbijudlestoids: hes aus

14:06:01 truffles: the one on bottom right reminds me of body part hmm

14:06:05 herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Thorne_%28writer%29

14:06:06 ozbot: David Thorne (writer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:06:12 BingoBoingo: http://www.27bslash6.com/halogen.html

14:06:13 ozbot: "I cant help it if some of the light goes across the road. Put something up in your window."

14:06:47 truffles: i dont like the shapes though...

14:06:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00615888 = 0.1047 BTC [+]

14:07:07 ThickAsThieves: i like some of them, but he's only actually selling two

14:07:10 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: the other night you and vexual convinced me to get a WoT account which i dutifully did. i think you were a little drunk. why did i do that?

14:07:13 AleksG: Mircea Popescu, I gotta go, I'm waiting for a letter from you on agclear.energy@gmail.com

14:07:24 AleksG: Keep in mind that this system will make electronic currency Bitcoin absolutely secure

14:07:37 ThickAsThieves: keep that in mind mircea

14:07:47 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I was indeed very drunk. A little drunk is what I am nao that I am contemplating bedtime.

14:07:47 herbijudlestoids: secure BTC!

14:08:13 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: As to why you got the WoT account. Read moar?

14:08:16 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i stayed on for ages trying to rate you 10, but it kept telling me i needed rating first :(

14:08:27 truffles: ofc mp likes the lilly flower

14:08:37 herbijudlestoids: i was just on there, hoping waiting that you would rate me

14:08:38 mircea_popescu: so weird.

14:08:43 truffles: that looks like a body part

14:08:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63000001 = 4.41 BTC [-]

14:08:55 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why was I rating you?

14:09:01 Duffer1: why do i get the feeling that guy took a fat shit in your inbox ..

14:09:03 herbijudlestoids: no, you werent!

14:09:10 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust herbijudlestoids

14:09:14 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: never

14:09:30 mircea_popescu: they did that so in case i go this it may one day not show zeroes

14:09:31 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: he mentioned to me that he is putting a bunch up soon

14:09:39 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I mean what would my reason for rating you have been. DId you sharpie in the pooper or something?

14:09:45 herbijudlestoids: HAHA

14:09:55 herbijudlestoids: no i told you, they dont have sharpies here

14:10:07 BingoBoingo: Some other brand of laundry marker?

14:10:14 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 nah, something off twitter.

14:10:14 herbijudlestoids: you said sharpie

14:10:22 mircea_popescu: bluntie

14:10:34 Duffer1: ah

14:10:51 mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/brochure.html this shit should be mandatory reading for forum ceoppets.

14:10:51 ozbot: "Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D. You probably don't even know how to do th

14:11:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.634 = 1.902 BTC [+]

14:12:10 herbijudlestoids: mueslicoin

14:12:14 herbijudlestoids: hmm, nope

14:13:50 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: where u at? if youre considering bed either must be close by to me or strange sleep patterns

14:14:03 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The later.

14:14:06 truffles: ayahuasca vine looks nice

14:14:15 truffles: http://www.larridinya.com/#ayahuasca-vine

14:14:20 ozbot: Larridinya Carvings Jade and Bone

14:14:20 mircea_popescu: he only sleeps when he runs out of hootch

14:14:31 BingoBoingo: !b1

14:14:34 herbijudlestoids: ethanolcoin

14:14:37 herbijudlestoids: hmmm...nope

14:14:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]

14:15:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02800039 = 0.196 BTC [-] {2}

14:16:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 85 @ 0.02800005 = 2.38 BTC [-] {6}

14:16:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00615888 = 0.6467 BTC [+] {3}

14:16:33 jurov: in re: user support, one has to talk to aws user support to reveal their VAT reg. number

14:17:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3806 @ 0.00089143 = 3.3928 BTC [+]

14:17:02 jurov: instead of them writing it on invoices (as obliged by law, by the way)

14:17:14 herbijudlestoids: a serious alcoholic should own a still ;)

14:17:22 ThickAsThieves: "it just needs to be more branded. If you add more brand without changing the design"

14:17:30 ThickAsThieves: it hurts, mommy

14:17:57 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids he does.

14:18:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it gets way better. "They're not hidden, they're on a shelf. Obviously you're going to say my design isn't very good so you can justify charging to redesign it. Everyone who has seen the current brochure has said it is amazing. Ive got a degree in fine arts and I've done an advanced course in Adobe. I probably know more indesign than you do. Art is subjective. I branded it to appeal to our customers, the

14:18:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:18:36 mircea_popescu: y don't want modern looking things."

14:18:44 mircea_popescu: truly.

14:19:00 ThickAsThieves: this is why i quit the biz

14:19:07 ThickAsThieves: it's like that, well, every day

14:19:29 herbijudlestoids: and also because the economic profit of designing websites went down significantly?

14:19:43 mircea_popescu: everyone copes in his own way. apparently there's a huge premium the internet puts on coping by insulting and publicly humiliating the stupid

14:19:51 ThickAsThieves: you can make plenty designing websites

14:19:55 ThickAsThieves: if you are a masochist

14:20:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00615889 = 1.0039 BTC [+]

14:20:17 ThickAsThieves: but i did more overall branding work

14:20:40 herbijudlestoids: needs moar brand yo

14:20:54 ThickAsThieves: the need to educate your customers is such a burden

14:21:10 mircea_popescu: for some odd reason in romania "brand" denotes the thick of one's arm

14:21:11 herbijudlestoids: thats essentially the technology premium toh

14:21:14 ThickAsThieves: particularly in that you are teaching them something they REALLY dont want to believe

14:21:14 herbijudlestoids: s/toh/tho

14:21:18 mircea_popescu: so that whole discussion is extra funny to me

14:21:22 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No need to own a still. Time spent operating a hypothical or alleged still could be better spent on other ventures.

14:21:30 herbijudlestoids: i work in large scale IaaS and its the same, you gotta educate everyone

14:21:57 ThickAsThieves: it gets extra fucked up too,

14:22:10 ThickAsThieves: in that they are soo persistent

14:22:14 ThickAsThieves: you start to wonder if they are right

14:22:28 ThickAsThieves: and whether the whole thing is a joke

14:22:33 ThickAsThieves: (it kinda is)

14:22:35 herbijudlestoids: justuwait, the next gen kiddies will know all our secrets by the time theyre 12 and work for minimum wage to do the same thing

14:22:46 mircea_popescu: this is starting to sound a little too much like popular bitcoin finance.

14:23:06 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what rattles me is this : how can you sit there and propose democracy as anything but a horror, with this experience ?

14:23:30 ThickAsThieves: i also began to feel guilty manipulating customers to not shoot themselves

14:23:30 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i think there is a lot to be said for systems with high friction

14:23:32 BingoBoingo: Didn't even have to read Plato

14:23:38 mircea_popescu: why would you want more democracy at all, or any democracy whatsoever in anything you care about at all ?

14:23:47 ThickAsThieves: you dont

14:23:51 mircea_popescu: well i don't.

14:24:04 ThickAsThieves: thats the big joke in entering the graphic design field

14:24:16 ThickAsThieves: kids get into it to express their talent

14:24:16 mircea_popescu: god forbid they start making democracy steak.

14:24:20 herbijudlestoids: complex systems "complicate away" friction and make the system less robust

14:24:25 herbijudlestoids: depart from equilibrium

14:24:27 ThickAsThieves: but that job is all about doing what everyone else ssays

14:24:34 herbijudlestoids: simple systems are robust and do not depart from equilibrium

14:24:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is a good point actualy.

14:24:45 herbijudlestoids: easiest way to ensure robustness is friction

14:24:46 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so make them simple rather than open.

14:25:00 ThickAsThieves: then,

14:25:10 ThickAsThieves: even if you make it, to be, say, a Creative Director

14:25:18 ThickAsThieves: you learn that all your designers hate you

14:25:27 ThickAsThieves: for trying to finaly get your way

14:25:27 lippoper: .bait to save the day

14:25:28 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2l566VzXH1r21xm5o1_500.jpg

14:25:33 mircea_popescu: this is why you make your designers work nude and spank them occasionally.

14:25:44 mircea_popescu: then they still hate you but a) you're having fun and b) they also love you.

14:26:04 ThickAsThieves: well

14:26:07 ThickAsThieves: even when you do get one

14:26:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]

14:26:17 ThickAsThieves: properly obedient

14:26:21 mircea_popescu: that was the lousiest bait ever.

14:26:24 mircea_popescu: ozbot you're fired.

14:26:25 ThickAsThieves: they leave after a year or two

14:26:41 mircea_popescu: why would they leave ?!

14:26:52 ThickAsThieves: grass is greener

14:27:05 ThickAsThieves: careers

14:27:06 ThickAsThieves: etc

14:27:07 mircea_popescu: how could grass be greener ?

14:27:10 herbijudlestoids: because as it turns out, not *all* jobs are about doing what everyone else says and if youve got talent you can command those jobs

14:27:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]

14:27:17 mircea_popescu: if you don't have the greenest grass wtf are you doing

14:27:42 ThickAsThieves: i had one girl that left to go work with all girls

14:27:43 lippoper: agreed.

14:27:48 ThickAsThieves: i offered to pat more

14:27:50 ThickAsThieves: pay*

14:27:50 lippoper: ozbot give us better

14:27:52 lippoper: .bait

14:27:55 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m089dn2sjd1qelzeao1_500.jpg

14:27:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you should have hired the whole stable.

14:28:02 ThickAsThieves: she said "my boyfriend told me not to accepts"

14:28:05 ThickAsThieves: accept*

14:28:05 lippoper: ok you're truly fired

14:28:06 mircea_popescu: hahahaha

14:28:09 lippoper: that's not even sexy

14:28:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00615821 = 0.6466 BTC [-] {2}

14:28:17 lippoper: .bait me

14:28:19 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/8ff0f1e4337870000147b8513470b626/tumblr_mvabis3yck1racc9so1_400.jpg

14:28:25 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/0311a40c4d0829aa39b18a441eba33c5/tumblr_mj4kfn3AuB1ru15g3o1_500.jpg

14:28:48 mircea_popescu: that's a good safety measure anywya.

14:29:06 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you should have paid her to dump her bf.

14:29:24 davout: let's test it

14:29:27 davout: .bait

14:29:29 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/495804dd3b9f8cc816518e0564b0aa6b/tumblr_mu3jh5GjSD1r600xqo1_500.png

14:29:38 ThickAsThieves: well remember, she probably harbored hate for me by then

14:29:46 davout: yay, assets became SFW again

14:29:51 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: maybe democracy isnt what i mean. i want more information to be freely available so those who are interested in it can use it to make informed decisions. to "level the playing field"

14:29:58 ThickAsThieves: all my programmers seemed to have insecurity issues

14:30:04 ThickAsThieves: or drinking problems

14:30:09 herbijudlestoids: for example, i have capital

14:30:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6345 = 2.538 BTC [+]

14:30:20 ThickAsThieves: good help is hard to find i guess

14:30:23 herbijudlestoids: but if i cant efficiently allocate it then i wont allocate it to anything but cash and gold since im risk averse

14:30:29 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids there's a subtle point involved here : back when information cost money you had a bunch of ignoramuses clearly labeled as such and lots of educated people.

14:30:42 mircea_popescu: in the wake of wikipedia you have strictly ignoramuses with delusions of education

14:30:44 herbijudlestoids: really?

14:30:51 mircea_popescu: and a few old people left over. once they die that's it.

14:30:55 asciilifeform: anybody catch this:

14:30:56 asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/27/predator-drone-sends-north-dakota-man-to-jail/

14:30:57 ozbot: Predator Drone Sends North Dakota Man to Jail - Forbes

14:30:57 herbijudlestoids: so economists used to be better at predicting the economy and now they suck?

14:31:07 herbijudlestoids: or economists have always sucked at predicting the economy and now we know it

14:31:09 ThickAsThieves: predicting, lol

14:31:21 herbijudlestoids: excuse my colloquialism

14:31:24 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you take the whole predictive discourse of economy in 1913 and compare to 2013

14:31:25 herbijudlestoids: forecast

14:31:30 mircea_popescu: you will find a marked decline in the average quality.

14:31:33 davout: wouldn't "forecasting" be a better match?

14:31:58 mircea_popescu: this is BECAUSE a democratic view to specialist fields is harmful for everyone involved :

14:32:05 mircea_popescu: the idiots, the professionals, society at large.

14:32:08 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: as someone who actually sits on SSRN in his free time reading research old and new i kind of disagree

14:32:25 mircea_popescu: well perhaps my view is wrong.

14:32:42 mircea_popescu: maybe someone takes the time to settle this.

14:32:53 herbijudlestoids: i dunno about your view but i am just saying predictive discourse was worse in 1913 than now

14:32:58 mircea_popescu: tho it's a huge task, you can't even read all the deluge of today

14:32:59 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe subscribe to some more interesting stuff than SSRN

14:33:08 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids worse, in what measure ?

14:33:20 ThickAsThieves: is it really a prediction if it was the plan all along?

14:33:26 herbijudlestoids: in resolution, accuracy, understanding, etc

14:33:42 mircea_popescu: i strictly mean, average quality went down, in the sense the understanding displayed dwindled. not in the sense better predictions were done

14:34:21 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: plenty of interesting stuff from hedge funds and instos goes up there as working papers daily ;)

14:34:23 mircea_popescu: (the reason you'll never have better predictions is modelled in http://fraudsters.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/

14:34:50 mircea_popescu: the part dealing with why technology can't help the police)

14:35:51 ThickAsThieves: "OK guys, everyone processed these stellar news? Let's be optimistic that the driest patch is over, esp. communications-wise. Keep in mind though, the dividends won't rise until April and there still may be weeks of silence where friedcat fixes the last problems"

14:36:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00580002 = 0.5684 BTC [-] {2}

14:36:25 ThickAsThieves: meanwhile http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/

14:36:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda not the first, not the last neh ?

14:38:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: IANAL, but this tidbit seems to signal the final, complete death of the 19th century u.s. law known as 'posse comitatus act'

14:38:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00088935 = 5.7808 BTC [-]

14:38:45 mircea_popescu: that it may be.

14:39:43 mircea_popescu: the notion that the imperial household is in any way limited wasn't doing too well over there anyway.

14:41:09 herbijudlestoids: any chance of having assbot broadcasting in another chan with mode +q set so the logger i setup only stores the orders?

14:41:33 mircea_popescu: was it #bitcoin-assets-trades ?

14:41:45 nubbins`: yes

14:41:50 nubbins`: had to check

14:41:56 herbijudlestoids: sweet

14:41:57 herbijudlestoids: thx

14:42:06 herbijudlestoids: i /whois'd assbot before asking but it didnt show up

14:42:11 nubbins`: probably +s

14:42:14 mircea_popescu: prolly.

14:42:35 herbijudlestoids: ok i will setup a logger before bed i think

14:43:24 mircea_popescu: so 9bn on march is 8:1

14:43:26 mircea_popescu: steep.

14:43:48 mircea_popescu: what good are 3Gh/W chips at 3 dollars each in that context ?

14:43:57 nubbins`: a guy really does lsd in that wall street movie and writes an exam and passes it?

14:44:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` crack.

14:44:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/polynominal-time-pkc-attack.pdf

14:44:21 nubbins`: oh well jeez sure

14:44:24 nubbins`: it

14:44:27 nubbins`: 's wall street

14:44:34 mircea_popescu: these people and their pdfs ;/

14:44:45 ThickAsThieves: "If I was inclined to have a boyfriend, I would select one my height and weight to save having to readjust the driver's seat position. I am not interested in doubling my wardrobe as I wear the same outfit everyday to facilitate speedy identification should I ever be in a boating accident."

14:44:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude you ever seen a series 7 ?

14:44:50 ThickAsThieves: I like this David Thorne guy

14:44:55 asciilifeform: RIP McEliece.

14:45:16 nubbins`: not being american nor a stock broker, can't say that i have

14:45:21 asciilifeform: (or perhaps not. seems to rely on bit-errors.)

14:45:24 nubbins`: six hours! oh my

14:45:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is it basically http://www.iacr.org/cryptodb/data/paper.php?pubkey=3559 ?

14:45:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63499 = 1.27 BTC [+]

14:45:36 nubbins`: you'd crash and burn pretty close to the start

14:45:41 nubbins`: unless you actually did take lsd

14:45:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's like the SAT, except to even show on the scale in s7 you need about 98% on the sat.

14:45:52 nubbins`: in which case the crash and burn would be more like a smouldering fire

14:46:22 mircea_popescu: besides, it costs plenty to even take.

14:46:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.002825 = 0.226 BTC [-]

14:46:38 mircea_popescu: enough so that most people rely on their comp to pay for it.

14:46:51 mircea_popescu: sort-of like the rhel exams except ^2

14:46:56 nubbins`: heh

14:47:12 nubbins`: actuarial exams are a paid-for thing usually, as well

14:47:31 nubbins`: looked into this some years ago when deciding whether to do statistics or not

14:47:34 mircea_popescu: so are drugs. now, would you take a 20 dollar hit the day of a 20k exam ?

14:47:52 nubbins`: depends, am i a fuck-up?

14:48:21 mircea_popescu: right=o.

14:48:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00615889 = 0.2217 BTC [+]

14:48:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, this one's new.

14:48:38 mircea_popescu: you're not getting a pass. which is you know... wtf, this guy PASSED ?!

14:49:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63499 BTC [+]

14:49:49 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435263.msg4809695#msg4809695

14:49:51 ozbot: Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing

14:50:07 nubbins`: if you can pay to remove bans, posts like that should entitle you to a get-out-of-jail-free card

14:50:22 nubbins`: "OP made me feel quite ashamed of how a lot of the listed qualities that i find so disgusting in of the mindsets of some the crypto following, so succinctly described my own actions which i never looked closely, instead just looking at others in contempt."

14:50:27 mircea_popescu: how is she ever getting banned

14:50:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63499 = 4.4449 BTC [+] {2}

14:50:36 mircea_popescu: o you mean the noob. mayhap.

14:50:37 nubbins`: not OP, but that reply

14:50:38 nubbins`: heh

14:50:56 ThickAsThieves: "I don't want the next big job creating discovery, the research and technology, to be in Germany, or China, or Japan," the president said

14:50:59 ThickAsThieves: uhhh

14:51:14 mircea_popescu: lol a little late for that.

14:51:19 nubbins`: HEH

14:51:22 herbijudlestoids: k loggin

14:51:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [+]

14:51:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00615889 = 0.1293 BTC [+]

14:51:38 herbijudlestoids: i maek u pretty graf

14:52:05 herbijudlestoids: even setup logrotate on the fucker

14:52:18 mircea_popescu: so i was going to go, speaking of imperatOr, here's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#465492 and then highlight asciilifeform

14:52:25 mircea_popescu: except assbot STOLE the gist of my message.

14:52:26 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435263.msg4802685#msg4802685

14:52:28 ozbot: Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing

14:52:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63749999 = 2.55 BTC [+] {3}

14:52:37 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you gotta fix this censorsheep!

14:52:42 nubbins`: "seemed to be" ;(

14:53:45 mircea_popescu: !t h am1

14:53:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.40600000 / 0.54752483 / 0.67500000 (304 shares, 166.44754973 BTC), 7D: 0.34000000 / 0.47735293 / 0.70890000 (1936 shares, 924.15527485 BTC), 30D: 0.28090000 / 0.47903449 / 0.74500000 (5435 shares, 2603.55244873 BTC)

14:53:50 nubbins`: <zantafio> i have hundred btc on just dice.. very nvervous right now

14:54:03 nubbins`: i'd be nervous with 100btc on a DICE SITE even if it wasn't down

14:54:06 mircea_popescu: apparently teh ppl liked teh forum post.

14:54:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i guess it depends whose.

14:54:58 nubbins`: that's like almost half a house!

14:55:51 nubbins`: "sez here you lost an incredible amount of money to some website. do you know who runs it?" "some guy named doug, i think"

14:56:33 herbijudlestoids: in aus the house price to avg salary ratio is double the US, so 100BTC is like, 20% at best for the value of a house here :P

14:57:02 nubbins`: herbijudlestoids: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#465989

14:57:03 mircea_popescu: this would imply aussies avgt salary is 2.5x us

14:57:23 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: GDP/capits is 70k PP USD in AUS and about 49k PPUSD in AUS

14:57:28 herbijudlestoids: s/capits/capita

14:57:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00615889 = 0.5789 BTC [+]

14:57:42 mircea_popescu: wait wut ?

14:57:53 herbijudlestoids: wut wut

14:57:59 mircea_popescu: which is it, 70k or 49k ?

14:58:06 mircea_popescu: schroedingaustralia ?

14:58:12 herbijudlestoids: err sorry lol 49k in US

14:58:25 mircea_popescu: gdp/capita is a poor measure of salaries, anyway.

14:58:35 herbijudlestoids: but in both cases very close to the avg salary

14:58:45 nubbins`: well, what's in an average

14:58:57 mircea_popescu: ro gdp/capita is like 8k. average salary is like 500, minimum wage is a whopping 150 dollars.

14:59:00 nubbins`: know the average income of the city bill gates lives?

14:59:05 herbijudlestoids: some form of aggregate understanding?

14:59:20 nubbins`: s/understanding/data

14:59:27 mircea_popescu: like 2/3 of the population makes that minimum wage.

15:02:05 herbijudlestoids: just checked to confirm US avg salary is $52k USD and AUS avg salary is $73k AUD, evens out to be about 50/70 on a PP basis

15:03:13 mircea_popescu: point remains, there is a LOT of variance in both housing prices and salaries in the us.

15:03:30 mircea_popescu: the "half a house" comment probably references older discussions re the housing market in central ohio

15:03:52 nubbins`: nah just going on my own house

15:04:06 nubbins`: only one person who regulars this chan cares about central ohio ;p

15:04:33 ThickAsThieves: it's like $2800 for 1000sqft in San Francisco and $800/mo for a 1700sqft house in north Florida

15:04:50 nubbins`: so many people from around here own houses in florida now

15:05:59 nubbins`: imagine, the descendants of fishmongers from what is historically canada's poorest province, scooping up florida real estate like monopoly properties

15:06:07 nubbins`: not sure if it says more about here or there

15:07:05 mircea_popescu: The ?True Love Tester? bra can?t be masterfully unhooked by some skeevy player who hit on the wearer at a club. No, this bra only comes undone when sensors embedded inside it that are connected wirelessly to a smartphone app detect a particular heart rate

15:07:09 mircea_popescu: basically... it's the rape bra.

15:07:30 nubbins`: facelamp

15:07:56 nubbins`: guess it's not for the gym either

15:08:06 nubbins`: actually the reverse would be great for the gym

15:08:07 herbijudlestoids: ok its not double

15:08:07 mircea_popescu: get on the stairmaster, tits go out

15:08:10 nubbins`: keep your heart rate up OR ELSE

15:08:14 herbijudlestoids: the house price to income in aus is about 4 atm and about 3 in the US

15:08:19 mircea_popescu: dude that's a gread idea

15:08:47 nubbins`: it's like the pay toilets in korea, you stop feeding coins and the door pops open

15:08:53 mircea_popescu: perhaps make some cockrings with electricity too.

15:09:04 mircea_popescu: sorta like the dog collars.

15:09:26 nubbins`: "sorta like"... they make shock collars for small dogs too :P

15:09:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00287999 = 0.2736 BTC [+]

15:10:15 herbijudlestoids: ah shiet 2am

15:10:17 mircea_popescu: yes but what dog is that small

15:10:19 herbijudlestoids: bredtime

15:10:29 mircea_popescu: did he say it's time to get bred ?!

15:10:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00287999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}

15:11:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00089478 = 27.3355 BTC [+]

15:12:22 ThickAsThieves: anyone present like hip hop?

15:13:48 nubbins`: some, not all

15:13:53 nubbins`: not most, even

15:14:26 ThickAsThieves: i wanna share a song i just finished, but have no one to share with

15:14:44 mircea_popescu: o.o

15:15:18 nubbins`: put it on soundcloud and let the world hear

15:15:28 ThickAsThieves: i cant yet

15:16:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 45 @ 0.028 = 1.26 BTC [-] {4}

15:17:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00287999 = 0.2736 BTC [+]

15:17:02 ThickAsThieves: https://db.tt/Rm6UjcFC is the mp3, if anyone is interested

15:17:10 ThickAsThieves: i did the music/mix/production

15:17:13 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: regarding s.mg forums/wikis/etc, the deal is one cannot simultaneously use game assets and accept payment?

15:17:18 ThickAsThieves: a local does the raps

15:18:41 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yea

15:19:22 nubbins`: does that extend to likenesses of assets or just the originals?

15:19:52 nubbins`: say, a rendition of creature x

15:20:06 mircea_popescu: uh

15:20:16 mircea_popescu: what are you trying to do, let's start at that end

15:20:57 nubbins`: haha.

15:21:07 nubbins`: make a forum

15:21:44 nubbins`: specifically, one with some sort of in-game beastie incorporated into the logo

15:21:59 mircea_popescu: so enjoy.

15:22:11 nubbins`: lovely

15:22:33 nubbins`: not a lot to discuss yet, but figured it'd be nice to have something in place for when there is

15:22:33 mircea_popescu: just don't start with any thermos bs.

15:22:58 nubbins`: well i was thinking about banning everyone by default

15:23:16 mircea_popescu: lol

15:23:40 nubbins`: (srsly)

15:24:03 nubbins`: hence the original question ;D

15:24:20 mircea_popescu: well then if you ban everyone what do i care ? i'll never know.

15:24:50 nubbins`: you'd probably get an honorary membership

15:24:54 nubbins`: i mean, uh, un-baning

15:24:58 nubbins`: *banning

15:25:20 mircea_popescu: so what exactly aren;t you saying ?

15:25:41 nubbins`: it's a pay forum

15:25:51 mircea_popescu: well no, you can't do that.

15:25:57 nubbins`: aha

15:26:10 mircea_popescu: why do you want to make a pay forum anyway

15:26:20 nubbins`: (a) to cover costs and (b) to get paid

15:26:44 nubbins`: justifiable if the content is there

15:26:57 nubbins`: for instance, gigposters.com forums costs $20/year for "premium" membership

15:27:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 162 @ 0.00615889 = 0.9977 BTC [+]

15:27:14 nubbins`: not required, but you're mercilessly browbeaten if you leech too much good advice without buying one.

15:27:50 nubbins`: and the real nice stuff, like plans for equipment, is hidden inside the premium members subforum

15:28:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]

15:28:16 mircea_popescu: but listen, if what you want is to get paid, you should do something else than a forum

15:28:24 mircea_popescu: forums are god awful for this purpose. do something that pays.

15:28:55 azi`: so weird.. if you want to withdraw funds from mtgox and send them to another BTC you are faced with "invalid BTC address" error multiple times and it only works after a random amount of "submit clicks..

15:29:04 azi`: i am wondering if they use this to stall funds on the site...

15:29:08 nubbins`: tbf, if i wanted to get paid well, i'd not have retired from IT

15:29:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-]

15:29:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8455 @ 0.00089467 = 7.5644 BTC [-]

15:29:27 mircea_popescu: azi` indeed.

15:29:38 azi`: am I just paranoid?

15:29:39 nubbins`: but that aside, i can't see myself running a free-for-all forum

15:29:47 nubbins`: not worth the effort

15:29:48 KRS1: they've done other things like disabled onclick actions when you try to submit a form

15:29:54 nubbins`: even with advertising

15:30:02 azi`: KRS1: hm? what does thatmean

15:30:21 KRS1: they disabled submit buttons in the past

15:30:55 mircea_popescu: nubbins` well that's kinda it, as a general principle. if you want to get paid do something that pays

15:31:04 mircea_popescu: rather than try to finagle a fundamentally unpaying model into paying you

15:31:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62916666 = 3.775 BTC [-] {2}

15:31:26 azi`: KRS1: so they are a bit shady..

15:31:34 mircea_popescu: azi` they are beyond shady.

15:32:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 700 @ 0.00086552 = 0.6059 BTC [+] {4}

15:34:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00614 = 0.5772 BTC [+] {2}

15:34:18 nubbins`: so shady they don't wear sunblock on hot days

15:35:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006157 = 1.2314 BTC [+]

15:36:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.006157 = 0.9297 BTC [+] {2}

15:38:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00086666 = 0.208 BTC [+]

15:39:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15699 @ 0.00089511 = 14.0523 BTC [+] {2}

15:48:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00615699 = 0.862 BTC [+]

15:51:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999998 BTC [+]

15:52:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.028 = 0.364 BTC [-]

15:52:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63 = 1.89 BTC [+]

15:58:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]

15:59:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00615195 = 0.1415 BTC [-] {3}

16:03:23 jurov: nubbins try to approach some existing forums with your congenial idea

16:03:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00550122 = 0.165 BTC [+]

16:03:48 jurov: such as http://bitcoinforum.com/ (the one i'm trying to use for coinbr support)

16:04:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00287999 = 0.167 BTC [+]

16:05:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63 = 1.89 BTC [+]

16:05:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1610 @ 0.00009101 = 0.1465 BTC [+]

16:06:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00606959 = 0.1396 BTC [-] {2}

16:07:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00089267 = 11.2923 BTC [-] {4}

16:08:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.6349999 = 5.08 BTC [+]

16:09:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.635 = 2.54 BTC [+]

16:12:11 the20year: Take a look at these charts and tell me if they make sense to you all (Pre-collapse RS price charts) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/BF%20chart%20%28Medium%29.jpg

16:12:15 the20year: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/RelativePricing.jpg

16:14:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0060001 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}

16:20:45 ThickAsThieves: your first problem is thinking a bitcoin stock chart is going to make sense

16:24:41 lippoper: .bait

16:24:42 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/c1ea084cf12c63c8658c1eeb356a691c/tumblr_mxddl5mzxA1soc88vo1_500.jpg

16:24:56 lippoper: .bait

16:24:57 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/12a740d250c034c204bf1e5a412a8a8f/tumblr_mor7stoMnX1qc4rfao1_1280.jpg

16:25:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31923 @ 0.00088774 = 28.3393 BTC [-] {3}

16:26:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62 = 3.1 BTC [-]

16:28:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1609 @ 0.00610504 = 9.823 BTC [+] {14}

16:30:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.63256631 = 18.977 BTC [+] {7}

16:31:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 900 @ 0.00634031 = 5.7063 BTC [+] {6}

16:33:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.0062003 = 0.3038 BTC [-]

16:34:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.6604054 = 11.2269 BTC [+] {5}

16:35:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.66777777 = 4.0067 BTC [+] {2}

16:36:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.0063499 = 0.273 BTC [+]

16:38:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09016667 = 0.2705 BTC [-] {2}

16:41:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1100 @ 0.00638866 = 7.0275 BTC [+] {7}

16:42:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 206 @ 0.00636114 = 1.3104 BTC [-] {3}

16:45:53 b0n1: hey there! I just read an interesting article about the sefnit botnet (http://blogs.technet.com/b/mmpc/archive/2014/01/09/tackling-the-sefnit-botnet-tor-hazard.aspx) And I was wondering in what way this correlates with the litecoin mining difficulty

16:45:58 b0n1: what do you think? The drop at january is much later than the cleaning update, right? Did they clean directly when the cleaner was included in the microsoft update, or did they install the cleaner and trigger them simultaneously at a given time in the middle of january?

16:47:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11614 @ 0.00088298 = 10.2549 BTC [-]

16:47:49 TomServo: b0n1: You're wondering about the drop in LTC hashrate? Around the 19th?

16:48:23 b0n1: yeah

16:48:41 b0n1: TomServo its sefnit, isnt it?

16:48:44 punkman: doge

16:48:48 TomServo: I thought it was doge

16:48:57 b0n1: why so fast and abrupt?

16:49:09 TomServo: check this out: http://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-ltc-doge.html

16:49:14 TomServo: switch to 3months

16:49:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00287912 = 0.144 BTC [-]

16:50:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00638997 = 0.6326 BTC [+] {2}

16:50:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.669 = 2.007 BTC [+]

16:51:01 b0n1: well doge was much longer more profitable than ltc, right? why do people switch so rapidly?

16:51:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.66999999 = 4.69 BTC [+]

16:51:34 TomServo: Because the price shot up around the same time

16:52:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.67 = 2.68 BTC [+]

16:55:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 210 @ 0.00083012 = 0.1743 BTC [-] {3}

16:56:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00287912 = 0.1123 BTC [-]

16:57:59 KRS1: http://i.imgur.com/2plqA3I.jpg

16:58:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]

17:03:43 pankkake: why do people switch so rapidly => because it's often automated

17:07:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00088526 = 2.1689 BTC [+]

17:11:56 mod6: ;;bc,stats

17:11:59 gribble: Current Blocks: 283068 | Current Difficulty: 2.193847870174279E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 284255 | Next Difficulty In: 1187 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2455257168.03 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.91556

17:13:03 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty estimates 18.44%

17:13:03 ozbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom

17:14:47 mod6: hmm, yeah

17:14:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]

17:16:23 mod6: so what happened to LTC difficulty? fell off a table ~1/20/14

17:17:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]

17:24:15 mod6: i like btcwisdom for its fibonacci fans&retracement tools

17:25:31 ThickAsThieves: maybe it was Shrem Mine

17:27:50 TomServo: mod6: http://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-ltc-doge.html seems it went to doge

17:29:51 mod6: nice chart, thx TomServo

17:30:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.66 = 1.98 BTC [-]

17:33:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66902 BTC [+]

17:33:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0063 = 0.1386 BTC [-]

17:33:39 mod6: much trollcoin

17:52:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45853 @ 0.00088859 = 40.7445 BTC [+] {2}

17:56:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63002023 BTC [-]

17:58:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.08213333 = 0.2464 BTC [-] {3}

17:59:26 mircea_popescu: b0n1 fwiw, it's more likely doge than whatever botnet.

17:59:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08105001 = 0.3242 BTC [-] {3}

18:00:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0063 = 0.4599 BTC [+]

18:01:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0063 = 0.567 BTC [+]

18:02:21 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/28888a6464f3ab2b5df77fa3ec90bb61/tumblr_mj0qmbQ77O1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

18:02:57 TomServo: zoinks scoob

18:03:03 TomServo: check out the funbags on that hosehound'

18:03:42 mircea_popescu: lol

18:04:00 mircea_popescu: don't tell me you're a fan of the cartoon dorkage of the 80s

18:04:15 TomServo: well, in the 80s!

18:04:37 mircea_popescu: i hated that hanna barbera shit. scooby doo, the jetsons, roadrunner, the works.

18:04:48 mircea_popescu: i was an emo preteen!

18:04:56 TomServo: haha

18:05:14 TomServo: I preferred, M.A.S.K, COPS and transformers

18:05:20 ThickAsThieves: i can tell from the fro pics

18:05:25 ThickAsThieves: you arent smiling til puberty

18:05:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00609911 = 0.1281 BTC [-] {5}

18:05:47 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/1504bd7f076ab4a2d5469a58bd5d0a18/tumblr_mj0qnpcCxr1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << dating in 2020.

18:05:59 TomServo: That fro though; That's impressive.

18:07:22 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tho this may be more a function of photographic technology. sometime around my puberty they figured out how to take your picture without blinding you with twelve billion watts.

18:07:39 ThickAsThieves: hehe

18:07:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4647 @ 0.0008869 = 4.1214 BTC [-]

18:07:49 ThickAsThieves: your peers seemed to manage

18:08:17 mircea_popescu: eh girls, whadda they know.

18:08:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 71 @ 0.00323947 = 0.23 BTC [+] {8}

18:10:18 TomServo: Road Runner was a Loony Toon btw

18:11:00 mircea_popescu: i guess it was.

18:15:40 mod6: i kinda liked the Road Runner.

18:17:25 mod6: Wile E. Coyote running off cliff without realizing that there is no ground beneath his feet reminds me of U.S. econ.

18:17:28 mircea_popescu: but why ? the coyote tries shit, the roadrunner does not. yet it always comes ahead.

18:17:52 mod6: hhaha, i dunno. guess he's just too fast.

18:17:56 mircea_popescu: i get it, the socialist mind wants this to be the case. yet... shiut doesn't work that way.

18:18:15 mircea_popescu: irl the coyote eventually fucks up the roadrunner. badly.

18:18:54 mod6: I supposed after enough chance encounters, sooner or later the otherside wins one.

18:19:00 mod6: *suppose

18:19:58 mircea_popescu: kinda what got me, you know ? it never fucking won. gets boring to watch it if you know the result aforehand

18:20:47 mod6: true enough. the main attraction is to find out what devious scheme the coyote will attempt and ultimately fail with.

18:21:45 mircea_popescu: suppose no matter what you did, the computer just blinked the screen once. that's it.

18:21:56 nubbins`: well, wimpy kids watching cartoons don't want the mean guy to win, y'know?

18:21:56 mircea_popescu: wouldn't make anyone too interested in programming would it

18:22:11 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how is the coyote the bad guy ?

18:22:20 mircea_popescu: fucking roadrunner is the bad guy

18:22:29 nubbins`: on account of him wanting to have lunch

18:22:30 nubbins`: obv

18:22:34 nubbins`: veg agenda

18:22:41 mircea_popescu: what is this, guilttrippin for preteens ?

18:22:43 nubbins`: mel blanc? vegan

18:22:50 mircea_popescu: haha srsly ?!

18:22:55 nubbins`: no idea ;(

18:22:59 TomServo: lol

18:23:00 nubbins`: doubt it

18:23:02 mircea_popescu: this never occured to me. seems too simple to work :D

18:23:19 nubbins`: recall the sheep skits

18:23:24 nubbins`: same thing

18:23:35 mircea_popescu: you mean with the titty chick whatever her name was ?

18:23:45 nubbins`: nah sheepdog vs wolf

18:23:56 mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever saw that

18:23:59 TomServo: I'm with mod6, the draw was seeing what nonsense was Macgyver'd up by the coyote. (Much like MacGyver incidentally)

18:24:12 nubbins`: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Sam_and_Ralph_choke.png

18:24:15 mircea_popescu: but mcgyver GETS IT

18:24:25 mircea_popescu: kinda why i never got into that, either : he always succeeds

18:24:31 mircea_popescu: wtf is up with that

18:25:12 TomServo: More of a Knight Rider guy?

18:25:22 mod6: yah, McGyver always seems to figure it out, always works out for him. never ends up with his balls in a vice.

18:25:36 mircea_popescu: i never watched that one either.

18:25:46 ThickAsThieves: CNN Announces Partnership with Twitter to Revolutionize News Gathering

18:25:52 mircea_popescu: of the newer stuff i watched dexter and cow&chicken, which both imo are brilliant.

18:25:54 mircea_popescu: esp the latter

18:26:02 ThickAsThieves: gather all the news!

18:26:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves " CNN Announces Partnership with Twitter to stop paying reporters altogether"

18:26:20 TomServo: You finished Dexter?

18:26:23 mod6: CNN, such irrelevance.

18:26:24 nubbins`: meat grinder announces partnership with iphone to revolutionize music

18:26:43 mircea_popescu: TomServo they only did like 20-30 episodes iirc.

18:26:52 nubbins`: there's like 8 seasons of dexter

18:26:56 mircea_popescu: the renaisance was coming to an end

18:26:57 ThickAsThieves: hide your news, hide your blogs, CNN is coming for you

18:27:00 mod6: "Tonight on CNN, we're gonna read the top trending tweets!"

18:27:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` dexter, boy genius. and his sister dee dee

18:27:13 mod6: *snooze*

18:27:14 mircea_popescu: mod6 ayup.

18:27:15 nubbins`: oh, HAHA. that show ruled

18:27:17 TomServo: Oh, Dexter cartoon.

18:27:23 nubbins`: laborrahtories etc

18:27:26 mircea_popescu: old media is becoming a sort of "internet aids for old and disabled people"

18:27:35 ThickAsThieves: AOL

18:27:38 mod6: exactly mp

18:27:48 mircea_popescu: not that there's anything wrong with it, nice public service

18:27:55 mircea_popescu: but there's not going to be any money in it.

18:28:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35376 @ 0.00089607 = 31.6994 BTC [+] {3}

18:28:09 mircea_popescu: i never heard of a multi billion dollar "reading books for the blind" venture.

18:28:22 ThickAsThieves: CNN Announces Terminal AOL Affliction

18:28:27 TomServo: But I hear glasses and hearing aids are really expensive.

18:28:35 mircea_popescu: pretty much. "CNN Gives Up"

18:28:48 mircea_popescu: TomServo good ones. with emphasis on good.

18:29:26 ThickAsThieves: Currently on their gravestone: 10 winter health myths busted, Motley Crue signs 'death pact', Ancient blueprint for Noah's Ark found?

18:29:36 mircea_popescu: da fuck.

18:29:43 mircea_popescu: is cnn like a sort of tv daily mail ?!

18:29:51 nubbins`: haha

18:29:52 TomServo: Or worse.

18:29:59 mircea_popescu: wtf is going on over there

18:30:01 ThickAsThieves: She was killed for photobomb, cops say

18:30:04 nubbins`: motley crue, noah's ark

18:30:10 ThickAsThieves: Surprising celebrity friendships

18:30:17 mircea_popescu: dude this is like the depths of stalin's winter, proletcultism it was called.

18:30:21 mircea_popescu: ;;google proletcultism

18:30:22 ThickAsThieves: Super rich, stop your ranting!

18:30:22 gribble: Poezia română după proletcultism by Constantin Abăluţă ...: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17371377-poezia-rom-n-dup-proletcultism; Sebastian Reichmann (Contributor of Poezia română după ...: http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3339608.Sebastian_Reichmann; Proletkult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletkult

18:30:31 mircea_popescu: apparently this concept doth not exist in english

18:30:48 mircea_popescu: o nm, proletkult

18:30:54 mod6: OOoo. I want to spend 20 minutes of my life on "Suprising celebrity friendships"

18:30:57 ThickAsThieves: lol, i skipped the main headline:

18:30:58 ThickAsThieves: IT DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN

18:31:03 ThickAsThieves: Snow turns Atlanta into 'zombie movie'

18:31:12 FabianB: ;;premium mtgox btce

18:31:12 mircea_popescu: yeah, that. it sucked.

18:31:12 gribble: Premium of MtGox over BTC-E is currently 17.8118295455 %.

18:31:57 ThickAsThieves: all their journalists are Twitterers and SEO Specialists now

18:32:22 ThickAsThieves: I blame Google

18:32:47 ThickAsThieves: I had this idea to make the anti-google search engine

18:32:54 ThickAsThieves: but i know nothing of running search engines

18:33:06 FabianB: duckduckgo?

18:33:23 ThickAsThieves: thats just anonymous

18:33:25 ThickAsThieves: not anti enough

18:33:58 mod6: how about a simple page that when you hit SUBMIT on the form just returns, "GO FUCK YOURSELF"?

18:34:32 mod6: fuuuuckyougle.com

18:34:35 ThickAsThieves: sorta like a simpler lmgtfy

18:34:38 ThickAsThieves: hehe

18:35:45 pankkake: duckduckgo has some anti-google features like "no bubble" http://dontbubble.us/

18:35:46 ThickAsThieves: lol: POLITICIAN EXPLODES, THEN APOLOGIZES

18:36:09 ThickAsThieves: Witnesses complain of bloody mess but appreciate posthumous apology

18:36:25 mod6: must have been a mess.

18:38:03 mircea_popescu: it's not really possible to make a google without ai.

18:38:16 ThickAsThieves: thats actually the anti part

18:38:42 ThickAsThieves: all search weight factors would be transparent and customizable

18:39:01 ThickAsThieves: then the engine averages all template weights for a default one

18:39:05 ThickAsThieves: or curates it some

18:39:11 ThickAsThieves: but if yoy make an account

18:39:20 ThickAsThieves: you can de-weight twitter mentions, or such

18:39:35 ThickAsThieves: save custom search templates

18:39:49 ThickAsThieves: like weight blogs and twitter only, if you are a journalist

18:40:09 ThickAsThieves: all SEO methods are posted

18:40:12 ThickAsThieves: no mystery

18:40:16 ThickAsThieves: it is law instead

18:41:06 ThickAsThieves: lotsa algo work

18:41:12 ThickAsThieves: but methodical

18:42:01 ThickAsThieves: this would cause search results to be more organic with time and trends

18:42:05 ThickAsThieves: rather than the reverse

18:42:56 ThickAsThieves: IPO coming soon

18:44:00 ThickAsThieves: codename: Search Party

18:44:55 mod6: bluehorseshoe <3's anacott steel

18:45:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00276753 = 0.6642 BTC [-] {3}

18:46:34 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/democracy-and-finance-dont-mix-the-math-involved/

18:46:35 ozbot: Democracy and finance don’t mix - the math involved pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:47:03 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> all search weight factors would be transparent and customizable << now this is a great idea.

18:47:11 mircea_popescu: really great idea.

18:47:16 mircea_popescu: especially if you allow people to add factors.

18:47:28 mircea_popescu: basically self-fighting antispam engine

18:47:39 gecko_x2: mp hi, i need ur help

18:47:45 mircea_popescu: shoot

18:47:58 ThickAsThieves: thats the first time i told the idea and the listeners eyes didnt cross

18:48:07 gecko_x2: a guy want to buy litecoin for btc of me for alittle higher rate than btc-e

18:48:16 gecko_x2: this is his proposal for escrow:

18:48:20 gecko_x2: I create and give you a btc wallet and password on blockchain with 5.7 BTC 2. You can login , check BTC, change password and attach and verify to your email this wallet 3. You send me the ltc 4. i release you the transfer keys so you can send BTC to your personal wallet that way block chain role is as escrow

18:48:31 mircea_popescu: it's weak.

18:48:36 gecko_x2: what do you think?

18:48:40 gecko_x2: why?

18:48:43 ThickAsThieves: lol

18:48:49 ThickAsThieves: cuz he can change pass again

18:48:52 mircea_popescu: because he yeah

18:48:52 ThickAsThieves: with other factors

18:48:59 mircea_popescu: use someone as an escrow.

18:49:07 ThickAsThieves: yeah

18:49:34 ThickAsThieves: i'll so crypto escrow for ya for .2 btc if no one else will

18:49:39 ThickAsThieves: do*

18:49:49 mircea_popescu: that;s a little rich innit ?

18:49:57 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust gecko_x2

18:49:58 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user gecko_x2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=gecko_x2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gecko_x2 | Rated since: never

18:49:58 punkman: ThickAsThieves: http://www.searchenginecaffe.com/2010/11/blekko-launches-brings-transparency-to.html

18:49:59 ThickAsThieves: call me Steve Jobs

18:50:23 punkman: two years later: "Blekko Betrays Trust Blocks SEO Data And Shreds Transparency Policy"

18:50:32 mircea_popescu: punkman srsly ?!

18:50:45 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves clearly there's money in it.

18:51:09 punkman: well if anyone wants to experiment, this is very handy: http://commoncrawl.org/

18:51:17 ThickAsThieves: maybe we can fund this blekko guy

18:51:25 punkman: you can have a personal search engine, it's gonna cost though

18:51:28 mircea_popescu: back in the days i still had time, i used to run romania's digg/reddit/sm aggregator thing

18:51:37 mircea_popescu: it did some pretty wicked search things, but then again it was kind of small

18:51:59 mircea_popescu: not THAT much romanian internet out there.

18:52:25 ThickAsThieves: the real answer is to patent the search idea after fully documenting it, then sell it to Yahoo

18:52:37 mircea_popescu: do you want to do something or just make money ?

18:52:47 ThickAsThieves: in this case, money

18:53:05 ThickAsThieves: i have no desire to be CEO of TAToogle

18:53:24 mircea_popescu: so then it's not for you.

18:53:25 gecko_x2: well

18:53:35 gecko_x2: he is offering me 5.7 btc for 200 ltc

18:53:48 gecko_x2: current value on btc-e 5.3 btc

18:53:55 mircea_popescu: this is not a consideration gecko_x2

18:54:16 gecko_x2: i'd love to take 0.4 btc

18:54:24 gecko_x2: how to make this work?

18:54:35 mircea_popescu: use some person as an escrow.

18:54:44 mircea_popescu: someone with a wot rating

18:54:51 ThickAsThieves: you dont even need to find a person

18:54:52 mircea_popescu: then he can rate you both and you can rate each other etc.

18:54:56 ThickAsThieves: just tell him you will

18:54:59 ThickAsThieves: and he'll go away

18:55:03 mircea_popescu: lol or that

18:55:04 pankkake: haha, true

18:55:08 gecko_x2: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu

18:55:09 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user gecko_x2 to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gecko_x2&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

18:55:16 mircea_popescu: cynical bastards, the lot of ye.

18:55:31 gecko_x2: so mp will u be my escrow?

18:55:40 gecko_x2: or TaT?

18:55:42 pankkake: why would someone want to pay more than on btc-e? makes no sense

18:55:54 gecko_x2: <gecko_x2> may i ask why you would want to do this instead of just buying the ltc on an exchange?

18:56:14 punkman: free ltc of course

18:56:16 mircea_popescu: i don't actually have a ltc wallet o.o

18:56:20 gecko_x2: i don't use any exch

18:56:20 gecko_x2: 5 mounts

18:56:20 gecko_x2: i lose much money,also someone hack my account

18:56:20 gecko_x2: and that is rison ''WHY

18:56:47 ThickAsThieves: he's wasting your time

18:56:47 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/fafc587c5a3b9709dd750ca3bd8f5be1/tumblr_miind4dYZI1s1m2veo1_400.gif << "check this shit out, are these the flappiest, looses tits ever or what ? what do you people think ?"

18:56:50 ThickAsThieves: and now ours

18:57:04 pankkake: can't spell = scammer. no exceptions

18:57:37 mircea_popescu: i wonder what that says of all the dorks hating on mpoe-pr

18:57:42 mircea_popescu: they rarely manage to speal.

18:57:52 gecko_x2: c'monm peeps help me make some dough :)

18:58:05 gecko_x2: ThickAsThieves?

18:58:07 pankkake: I can do the escrow but I doubt it will come to that

18:58:24 ThickAsThieves: i already offered to do it for .2btc

18:58:31 ThickAsThieves: maybe pankkake will for less

18:58:37 gecko_x2: .1

18:58:39 ThickAsThieves: or some forumite

18:58:40 gecko_x2: :D

18:58:40 punkman: google found the video for the gif: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq7twm_audrey-bastien-nude-scene_redband

18:59:16 gecko_x2: https://blockchain.info/wallet/0ad7110b-eb0a-47e6-8281-ad425b966a6d

18:59:17 ozbot: My Wallet - Be Your Own Bank - Blockchain.info

18:59:42 pankkake: I have no litecoins now so might not be able to pay the tx fee actually :/

18:59:55 mircea_popescu: punkman is it good ?

19:01:26 KRS1: oh wow mircea_popescu..very nice, I would fap to those boobies. Plus she looks older than that girl. Hmmm.

19:01:50 KRS1: She looks a bit jealous.

19:02:07 gecko_x2: i'm logged in

19:02:13 gecko_x2: should be ok you think?

19:02:19 gecko_x2: he gave me the pass

19:02:32 gecko_x2: 5.83 btc

19:03:20 gecko_x2: oh what the hell.. i'm game

19:03:22 ThickAsThieves: send the btc to another wallet then

19:03:44 punkman: gecko_x2, why aren't you doing this in small increments?

19:04:02 mircea_popescu: this is so cute.

19:05:27 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ << imagine if mtgox goes bye bye

19:05:31 ozbot: BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014

19:06:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.6300158 = 7.5602 BTC [-] {5}

19:08:09 ThickAsThieves: then youll get snackman's ghosts

19:09:26 gecko_x2: hmm email verification code incorrect

19:09:46 mircea_popescu: is that like, a good thing ?

19:09:49 ThickAsThieves: lol

19:10:06 ThickAsThieves: how to lose $5000 with an audience

19:10:15 mircea_popescu: something tells me this is going to become a pretty epic example of "ask mp, ignore what he says"

19:10:50 ThickAsThieves: start counting your bash lines!

19:12:31 lippoper: what are you saying about dogecoin?

19:13:14 lippoper: that the ema lines have crossed once again? Maybe it's a good time to buy in and ride the wave?

19:13:22 mircea_popescu: i have no idea

19:14:13 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/hi-this-is-not-office/

19:14:13 ozbot: Hi this is not office. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:14:34 lippoper: doge lol

19:15:10 lippoper: http://www.coindesk.com/vault-of-satoshi-new-altcoin-support/

19:16:11 lippoper: https://www.vaultofsatoshi.com/orderbook

19:16:11 ozbot: Vault of Satoshi

19:16:16 lippoper: dogecoin -> usd

19:16:22 ThickAsThieves: ick

19:16:44 lippoper: as well as primecoin, feathercoin, quarkcoin,

19:16:58 lippoper: litecoin, namecoin, peercoin

19:17:07 lippoper: wow

19:17:33 ThickAsThieves: dogecoin is like a feedback loop of you slapping yourself in a mirror

19:17:52 ThickAsThieves: cant watch, not funny, embarassing, etc

19:18:05 ThickAsThieves: get off my lawn

19:18:40 mircea_popescu: dude you didn't see the artful clipart of the challenger with a D on it while sepparating from its boosters

19:18:47 mircea_popescu: how can you be so ignorant

19:19:12 lippoper: lolz

19:19:12 ThickAsThieves: i saw it

19:19:15 ThickAsThieves: and cringed

19:19:39 ThickAsThieves: when i see some things so hideous, i physically react

19:19:52 ThickAsThieves: like some of these reality shows

19:19:52 mircea_popescu: it is mildly concerning that the current crop of kids are so visually driven and cognitively impaired

19:19:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.049 = 2.009 BTC [+]

19:20:13 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if living in a world of doges.

19:20:18 ThickAsThieves: there's this new celebrity gameshow

19:20:29 ThickAsThieves: and they all sit on couches

19:20:35 ThickAsThieves: and pretend to be on drugs

19:20:51 mircea_popescu: srsly, what's with the drugs over there ?

19:21:02 ThickAsThieves: but mostly just display their new forms of surgical primping

19:21:36 ThickAsThieves: it's so painful to watch

19:21:44 ThickAsThieves: they all pretend to be funny

19:21:55 mod6: this is a game show?

19:22:05 ThickAsThieves: like it's a total charicature of reality

19:22:06 mircea_popescu: more like a lame show

19:22:14 mod6: srsly

19:22:30 mod6: it would be funnier if they were ACTUALLY on drugs.

19:22:35 ThickAsThieves: http://www.nbc.com/hollywood-game-night/

19:22:35 ozbot: Hollywood Game Night | Everyday People Play With Celebrities | NBC

19:22:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, ima be off to do some shit. if anyone seeks my advice just link them to the above.

19:22:46 mircea_popescu: do them about the same good.

19:23:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00089633 = 23.4838 BTC [+] {2}

19:26:32 lippoper: (つ◕_◕)つ [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

19:26:57 ThickAsThieves: it's a trap!

19:27:21 lippoper: http://i.imgur.com/Z9gvzc3.gif <-- We're not crashing... We're just practicing for the Olympics!

19:31:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00089637 = 9.0982 BTC [+]

19:32:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00089473 = 15.792 BTC [-] {2}

19:33:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00089637 = 14.2523 BTC [+] {2}

19:37:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.668 = 1.336 BTC [+] {2}

19:41:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.668 = 1.336 BTC [+]

19:42:55 gecko_x2: omg

19:43:02 gecko_x2: i just got conned :(

19:44:04 pankkake: how much? :/

19:45:13 assbot: Last 50 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1575635/plain/)

19:45:13 ThickAsThieves: !b 50

19:45:19 Animazing: Let me guess 200LTC

19:47:03 gecko_x2: yes?

19:47:12 gecko_x2: did i loose it?

19:47:29 ThickAsThieves: did you?

19:47:32 gecko_x2: hold

19:52:44 Animazing: If you sent it; you lost it

19:52:46 Animazing: it's as simple as that

19:52:55 gecko_x2: how

19:53:09 gecko_x2: i have the second pass to blockchain

19:53:22 gecko_x2: wtf

19:53:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00089307 = 5.6263 BTC [-]

19:54:17 kakobrekla: start using normal chars mircea_popescu

19:54:38 ThickAsThieves: this panelist!

19:57:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23285 @ 0.00088913 = 20.7034 BTC [-]

19:58:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.66957442 = 4.687 BTC [+] {4}

20:02:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.66993293 = 20.098 BTC [+] {4}

20:03:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.677 = 6.77 BTC [+] {2}

20:03:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6115 @ 0.00088913 = 5.437 BTC [-]

20:05:55 the20year: new shorts on difficulty on havelock?

20:06:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [+]

20:09:00 gecko_x2: fucking shit

20:09:12 gecko_x2: [17:43:31] * Maximilian was kicked by iwilcox (scammer)

20:09:14 gecko_x2: :(

20:09:22 kakobrekla: dafuq u doin

20:10:25 gecko_x2: :(

20:10:29 gecko_x2: :8

20:10:31 gecko_x2: :(

20:11:24 gecko_x2: motherf..

20:11:28 kakobrekla: what happend ?

20:11:36 gecko_x2: i got scammed it seems!

20:11:50 kakobrekla: yea, we got that....

20:12:05 kakobrekla: detals?

20:12:07 kakobrekla: details?

20:12:24 gecko_x2: well we used blockchain.info as escrow

20:12:31 gecko_x2: i have second password

20:14:11 gecko_x2: Volvo39 is 4faf593e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.175.89.62 * 79.175.89.62 - http://webchat.freenode.net

20:14:11 gecko_x2: Volvo39 on #bitcoin #litecoin

20:14:11 gecko_x2: Volvo39 using herbert.freenode.net DE

20:14:11 gecko_x2: Volvo39 End of /WHOIS list.

20:14:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [+]

20:15:00 Animazing: still not details

20:15:07 Animazing: no*

20:15:12 Animazing: A whois is not details on a scam

20:15:18 gecko_x2: hold on

20:15:21 gecko_x2: i have all logs

20:15:26 gecko_x2: :(

20:15:32 gecko_x2: this can't be happening..

20:15:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.690122 = 1.3802 BTC [+]

20:16:24 gecko_x2: my gawd

20:16:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 137 @ 0.00629758 = 0.8628 BTC [+] {6}

20:17:26 gecko_x2: MOTHERFUCK

20:17:48 Animazing: Just learn from the experience and move on

20:17:57 Animazing: When something sounds to good to be true it usually is

20:18:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00629999 = 0.63 BTC [+] {2}

20:19:21 ThickAsThieves: dude, yknow blockchain.info even has an escrow multi-sig feature thing

20:19:34 punkman: gecko_x2: I see you ignored my suggestion

20:19:37 ThickAsThieves: we told you

20:19:42 ThickAsThieves: like 4 of us

20:19:49 pankkake: http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?Volvo39 http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?*81.24.241*

20:19:52 ozbot: OTC Volvo39

20:19:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]

20:20:06 gecko_x2: FUCK

20:20:19 pankkake: I think it's the same annoying guy

20:20:36 punkman: gecko_x2, just don't waste too much time trying to get it back

20:21:46 gecko_x2: :(

20:21:53 gecko_x2: how is it possible

20:22:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.690122 = 2.0704 BTC [+]

20:22:05 gecko_x2: jesus fuck 5.6 btc

20:22:14 gecko_x2: is there anything i can do?

20:22:25 punkman: because trading passwords over IM is not an acceptable substitute for the actual blockchain

20:22:41 gecko_x2: but i made a second pass to blockchain

20:23:28 gecko_x2: omg

20:23:35 ThickAsThieves: why didnt you send the coins to another wallet?

20:23:45 ThickAsThieves: that was your second chance

20:23:54 gecko_x2: i neede the private key

20:24:00 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:24:06 gecko_x2: :(

20:24:11 gecko_x2: funny?

20:24:26 ThickAsThieves: almost perfectly

20:24:49 ThickAsThieves: you trollin?

20:25:01 gecko_x2: NO

20:25:06 gecko_x2: god damnit

20:26:28 deadweasel: are you sure?

20:26:46 pankkake: take it as a learning experience, albeit expensive

20:26:49 deadweasel: could be a decent troll. or you might have lyme disease. is your brain swollen?

20:26:57 gecko_x2: what

20:27:09 gecko_x2: i can't login to the blockchain account anymore

20:27:16 gecko_x2: i made a second pass

20:27:21 gecko_x2: how is this possible?

20:27:24 deadweasel: did you use multi-sig?

20:27:34 gecko_x2: i was logged in

20:27:39 deadweasel: so no.

20:27:40 gecko_x2: reated a second password

20:27:47 gecko_x2: created*

20:28:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.690122 BTC [+]

20:28:09 gecko_x2: so how can he access the btc?

20:28:24 deadweasel: depends on how stupidly you set up the transaction.

20:28:30 pankkake: what is this second password thing?

20:28:38 deadweasel: the eagle flies at midnight

20:28:50 ThickAsThieves: until the bitcoins are in your own private wallet, you dont have them

20:28:52 pankkake: blochchain.info derives the private key from the password IIRC

20:29:08 ThickAsThieves: that's a constant

20:30:11 gecko_x2: hold he's back

20:33:15 pankkake: he's there every other day

20:37:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4224 @ 0.00089638 = 3.7863 BTC [+]

20:38:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8501 @ 0.00089727 = 7.6277 BTC [+] {2}

20:42:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00007321 = 1.4642 BTC [-] {31}

20:42:58 gecko_x2: pankkake so he's a scammer?

20:43:01 gecko_x2: you sure?

20:43:13 pankkake: yes… serial scammer

20:43:18 gecko_x2: omg :(

20:44:58 gecko_x2: why the hell did i do this?

20:45:03 gecko_x2: my last btc

20:45:57 ThickAsThieves: you are lucky

20:46:07 ThickAsThieves: assuming youve learned your lesson

20:46:19 gecko_x2: what?

20:46:26 ThickAsThieves: most of us have surely fooled away more than 5btc

20:47:30 TomServo: gecko_x2: Why would you ask for advice and not follow it?

20:49:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 220 @ 0.0063 = 1.386 BTC [+]

20:49:43 deadweasel: impulsivity + greed = fail

20:50:13 gecko_x2: do you think i need this shit right now?

20:50:19 deadweasel: yes

20:50:20 TomServo: Yes.

20:50:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00271438 = 5.4288 BTC [-] {18}

20:50:34 TomServo: Well, actually you needed it earlier. AND GOT IT.

20:50:56 deadweasel: you know you like it, TomServo

20:51:04 deadweasel: keep boggling, i'm not there yet

20:51:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7179 @ 0.00007 = 0.5025 BTC [-] {3}

20:52:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35035 @ 0.00089572 = 31.3816 BTC [-]

20:53:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1075 @ 0.00270213 = 2.9048 BTC [-] {5}

20:57:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0027 = 0.162 BTC [-]

20:57:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 420 @ 0.00045007 = 0.189 BTC [-] {3}

20:59:27 lippoper: so from last time I said might be good time to invest in doges, they have gone from 170 to 180 satoshis

20:59:34 Korbman: Soooo...I've been catching up in this channel since I hadn't looked in a number of hours

20:59:44 Korbman: did I literally just read a scam unfold

21:00:00 Korbman: *unfolded because someone can't trade properly?

21:00:13 deadweasel: they tried, seems to have ignored the advice

21:00:19 deadweasel: learning is painful

21:00:21 deadweasel: and expensive

21:00:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00089768 = 9.4256 BTC [+] {2}

21:01:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 279 @ 0.00043001 = 0.12 BTC [-]

21:06:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.03182103 = 0.9546 BTC [-] {6}

21:07:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00639999 = 0.64 BTC [+] {2}

21:08:00 ThickAsThieves: preach on sister!

21:10:34 Korbman: whelp, that's unfortunate

21:10:55 the20year: Anyone have a basic premise? I'm confused about the scam

21:10:58 jurov: !t m s.mpoe

21:10:58 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00088298 / 0.00088988 / 0.00089795 (1141890 shares, 1,016.15 BTC), 7D: 0.00087792 / 0.0009462 / 0.00101414 (6193303 shares, 5,860.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00082205 / 0.00089781 / 0.00101414 (28987275 shares, 26,025.11 BTC)

21:11:02 jurov: !t m s.bbet

21:11:03 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00072 / 0.00072064 / 0.00075 (511 shares, 0.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00063054 / 0.0009 (18832 shares, 11.87 BTC)

21:11:04 Korbman: geck0_x2 - be thankful that's all you lost. Most of us have lost waaayyyyy more

21:11:24 Korbman: it's a very painful learning experience, but you'll be better off in the end

21:23:45 azi`: what kind of scam happened?

21:25:40 KRS1: Can you please describe the scam, sir.

21:26:31 jurov: did it involve sauna?

21:27:53 KRS1: Gecko_x2, Volvo39 stole 200 ltc from you?

21:28:06 gecko_x2: YES

21:28:37 gecko_x2: http://pastebin.com/rXNhe8V2

21:28:37 ozbot: [20:33:00] <Maximilian> hey [20:33:11] <gecko_x2> hi [20:33:24] <Maximilian> 2 - Pastebin.com

21:29:41 KRS1: sorry to hear that

21:29:51 twizt: gecko_x2:

21:29:53 twizt: you are so retarded

21:29:57 twizt: hes gave you instructions

21:30:03 twizt: and u followed them like a noob

21:30:05 azi`: was this guy verifed on otc?

21:30:09 twizt: lol

21:30:17 twizt: prolly didnt question anything

21:31:46 pankkake: he isn't registered, and he gets upset if you ask him to register

21:32:03 gecko_x2: http://pastebin.com/ze3Pm2mR

21:32:04 ozbot: [21:43:05] <Volvo39> hi - Volvo39 is 4faf593e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.175.8 - Pastebin.com

21:33:29 pankkake: also gets upset if you ask why he changes his nick all the time

21:33:58 Apocalyptic: it's the serbian dude right

21:34:00 Bunnyh: you asked "<gecko_x2> may i ask why you would want to do this instead of just buying the ltc on an exchange?" and then just accepted the bullshit answer

21:34:52 azi`: its easy to be smart now

21:36:15 TomServo: azi`: eh?

21:36:53 Bunnyh: i just don't understand why anyone would have to do btc/ltc trades outside of an exchange, and looks like gecko_x2 didn't either, but still accepted

21:37:54 gecko_x2: :(

21:38:09 azi`: yeah, too bad

21:55:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.07501835 = 0.4501 BTC [-] {4}

22:09:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0489999 = 0.147 BTC [+]

22:10:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00639998 = 0.2304 BTC [+]

22:21:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 318 @ 0.00639999 = 2.0352 BTC [+]

22:24:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00649588 = 0.4742 BTC [+] {5}

22:27:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00639998 = 1.28 BTC [-]

22:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00639998 = 0.64 BTC [-]

22:29:58 kakobrekla: ah well, part of learning process, mistakes that is.

22:30:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.62223306 = 5.6001 BTC [-] {6}

22:30:07 kakobrekla: with bitcoin, the sooner you go through it, the better.

22:31:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.6001 = 4.8008 BTC [-]

22:50:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58455 @ 0.00089508 = 52.3219 BTC [-] {4}

22:54:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02999905 = 0.12 BTC [+]

23:05:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.60342698 = 23.5337 BTC [+] {8}

23:06:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6 = 6 BTC [-]

23:08:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.54818464 = 18.0901 BTC [-] {11}

23:09:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.501 = 3.507 BTC [-]

23:10:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.49785714 = 6.97 BTC [-] {3}

23:12:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.00639998 = 0.7424 BTC [-] {2}

23:12:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22427 @ 0.00089682 = 20.113 BTC [+]

23:14:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0060001 = 0.15 BTC [-] {4}

23:16:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12790 @ 0.00089423 = 11.4372 BTC [-]

23:17:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.54899 = 8.7838 BTC [+]

23:18:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0057 = 0.1596 BTC [-] {3}

23:19:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54799999 = 1.096 BTC [-] {2}

23:28:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4488 @ 0.00089423 = 4.0133 BTC [-]

23:33:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [-]

23:34:43 herbijudlestoids: hmmm forgot to put a datestamp on my logger

23:34:57 herbijudlestoids: otherwise some interesting datapoints coming through already

23:36:34 kakobrekla: OMG ITS GOING TO CRASH

23:37:14 kakobrekla: anyway, i thought you went to the liquid markets?

23:37:27 herbijudlestoids: i do, like i said last night, just an idea that came to me then

23:40:27 herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/CkJ5kA8 <-- here is a distribution of the overnight tick returns

23:40:27 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

23:40:52 herbijudlestoids: quite an interesting looking formation

23:43:36 kakobrekla: whats the x axis

23:43:54 herbijudlestoids: i log normalise the return between ticks

23:44:03 herbijudlestoids: x axis is the value of those returns

23:44:15 kakobrekla: return between ticks?

23:44:22 kakobrekla: you mean price difference?

23:44:50 herbijudlestoids: its the % return if you had invested in the asset at the tick

23:44:57 herbijudlestoids: (log normalised)

23:45:09 kakobrekla: hm

23:45:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0489999 = 0.196 BTC [+]

23:45:54 herbijudlestoids: its a pretty normal way to break the timeseries down in quantitative analysis, but usually at a lower resloution than per tick

23:46:30 herbijudlestoids: once i build up some data and refine my timestamping etc i will start to record 10 sec data from the ticks and then build all the lower resolutions from that high res feed

23:47:10 herbijudlestoids: so you can see, the distribution of daily returns or, the 10-tick volatility, etc

23:47:31 herbijudlestoids: also would like to figure out if there is a diurnal pattern in the assets

23:48:44 herbijudlestoids: i cant show you some of the other stuff iv grabbed because i didnt timestamp properly and R wont plot it nicely

23:49:59 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/29/5358664/us-government-blocks-students-in-iran-cuba-and-sudan-from-taking-free-online-classes-coursera

23:49:59 ozbot: US government blocks students in Iran, Cuba, and Sudan from taking free online classes | The Verge

23:50:45 herbijudlestoids: :/

23:58:37 herbijudlestoids: i need to write a script that will take the irc log output and automagic it into appropriately named, quantmod compatible mysql tables

23:58:49 herbijudlestoids: but after that i can think of all kinds of interesting things to look at

23:59:10 herbijudlestoids: futures curve, vols, trend, fundamentals, benchmark indices, etc

23:59:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.82985793 BTC to 19`249 shares, 61457 satoshi per share