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00:01:10 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English << the great us - germany war heating up huh.

00:01:28 mircea_popescu: speaking of al jazeera usa - http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/how_does_the_shutdown_relate_t.html tlp on point as usual.

00:01:30 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: How Does The Shutdown Relate To Me? ... ( http://bit.ly/15Ryb3C )

00:03:30 mircea_popescu: "Alexis Tsipras said on Wednesday that he wanted a "viable, mutually beneficial solution" to what he called a humanitarian disaster his country has suffered as a result of the austerity imposed by its creditors."

00:04:01 mircea_popescu: humanitarian disaster, yeah. greeks no longer able to spend whole day crowding the coffee shops across the acropolis, acting like they're the russian rich people coming to visit

00:05:02 mircea_popescu: typical moive, too, now that they've got all the free money that they were liable to get. greece is basically a hooker.

00:05:15 mircea_popescu: for the past... uh i dunno, 2k years ? pretty much the mode

00:06:11 mircea_popescu: souflakis is particularly rich. "we will agree with you through the simple process of you all being just as stupid as we are. problem solved."

00:08:54 mircea_popescu: in other news, teh house with a view : http://40.media.tumblr.com/ff28f8f3c38b47d61f479bac676d0bf0/tumblr_miu8wxWBEe1rhlfrbo1_500.jpg

00:08:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15RAEem )

00:11:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56908 @ 0.00043576 = 24.7982 BTC [+] {3}

00:11:18 jurov: ...aaaannnd it's here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/?v=0.5.3.1

00:11:19 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/15RBrMv )

00:15:15 mircea_popescu: The media explains how things relate to him, and as long as he understands what's going on, he feels empowered. He is given an ideology without even knowing it. Now he doesn't actually have to do anything, indeed, it's way the hell better if he does nothing. All that's required is support, and through his support not only will "the right things" happen but he'll share in the credit.

00:15:15 mircea_popescu: You'll counter that there are right leaning and left leaning independents, isn't there a difference? but this misses the point: propaganda doesn't try to get you to believe something, but to do something, and in this case it is to do nothing-- it doesn't matter what you choose to believe, as long as your outrage is done from inside your house.

00:15:16 mircea_popescu: This is the whole gimmick of media, not polar but triangular, right, left, middle, mobilizing an army of assonauts to feel strongly enough about something that they don't do anything.

00:15:19 mircea_popescu: holy shit i love this guy.,

00:19:18 mats: 16-12-2014 01:38:56 <asciilifeform> here's a very rough description of above experiment ... << forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise

00:25:03 mats: y'all give TCP a bad rap. it works exceedingly well for the goals, which is automagical conservative scaling of speed to dynamically changing throughput over opaque paths, which makes it reliable. reliable is good.

00:25:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38531 @ 0.00043792 = 16.8735 BTC [+] {2}

00:29:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00042709 = 33.676 BTC [-] {3}

00:30:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00042546 = 14.8911 BTC [-] {3}

00:34:48 mod6: <+jurov> mod6, also it left all qt-related files in << that's weird. pm me a list of the files or dpaste 'em

00:34:51 mod6: plz

00:35:51 jurov: i may retry the 0.0.4 tomorrow, too tired (it's centos 6)

00:35:54 mod6: jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest << i /knew/ there had to be an easier way. i seem to remember asking, but anyway.

00:36:18 jurov: yes, i sent it

00:36:27 mod6: jurov: good work. we gotta get you to review this stuff all the time

00:37:23 jurov: i may not be always available, don't wait for me

00:37:50 mod6: lol, im pretty dumb

00:38:01 mod6: ugh, im disgusted right now

00:41:14 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/BXw5RxQ.gifv utility raven

00:41:15 assbot: Crow feeding a cat & dog. ... ( http://bit.ly/15RK9dA )

00:44:04 mod6: jurov: ok thanks again man, i linked your email with the fixed version & sig file to the website.

00:44:09 mod6: very much appreciated.

00:47:55 mod6: I ran it, but got an error here:

00:47:56 mod6: ./build_0_0_5_ec263eed1e1bcba06568a86bf0817235aa42b4bb.sh: 157: Syntax error: Bad fd number

00:48:21 mod6: gpg --homedir $HOME/.gnupg -k >& /dev/null

00:50:44 jurov: interesting, your shell doesn't supprt >&

00:51:10 mod6: did i mention that I hate shell scripts :)

00:51:42 mod6: i should hvae wrote it in perl.

00:51:47 mod6: that's my bad

00:51:50 jurov: apparently it should be &>

00:51:52 mod6: i dunno what i was thinking

00:53:09 jurov: when you change it works?

00:55:14 *: mod6 is testing it

00:56:10 mod6: seems to be. i'll post the typescript

00:56:15 jurov: &> file (aka >& file) is not part of the official POSIX shell spec, but has been added to many Bourne shells as a convenience extension (it originally comes from csh).

00:56:15 gribble: Error: ">" is not a valid command.

00:56:16 jurov: In a portable shell script (and if you don't need portability, why are you writing a shell script?), use > file 2>&1 only

00:56:58 jurov: it's unix wars all again

00:58:22 jurov: bye

00:59:48 mod6: http://dpaste.com/20J4G50

00:59:49 assbot: dpaste: 20J4G50 ... ( http://bit.ly/1z4HKIr )

01:00:37 mod6: my key was in the /mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/.gnupg, but it didn't echo out... not sure why yet.

01:00:40 mod6: will look

01:02:21 mod6: to find out, i'll comment out line 167 and run again

01:03:41 mod6: huh. i dunno

01:03:45 mod6: keys were imported tho

01:04:05 mod6: i'll resend to the list with the updates.

01:21:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00042999 = 26.4014 BTC [+]

01:33:50 mod6: ok all set, thanks again jurov.

01:34:03 mod6: !rated jurov

01:34:03 assbot: You rated user jurov on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer.

01:34:33 mod6: !rate jurov 3 The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo

01:34:33 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/cf7dfdb5e1f0ba6f

01:35:06 BingoBoingo: http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/3/4/364334_v1.jpg

01:35:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z4Nyls )

01:35:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00042999 = 7.2286 BTC [+]

01:35:38 mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.jurov.3:3a2d0d3341af24537f819d7ae5ec297a3d704c8fd3e70b7ddfc18b8456389649

01:35:38 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 3 with note: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo

01:36:38 mod6: !rated decimation

01:36:38 assbot: You have not rated decimation.

01:36:47 mod6: !rated danielpbarron

01:36:48 assbot: You have not rated danielpbarron.

01:37:38 asciilifeform: 158125

01:37:43 mod6: !rate decimation 1 Tested something for me quick

01:37:43 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5c81bf6aea42368c

01:38:04 mod6: !rate danielpbarron 1 Tested something for me quick

01:38:04 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ddc48830d8e36700

01:38:11 mod6: nice asciilifeform

01:38:23 asciilifeform: mod6: sorry missed your message. was in a car.

01:38:49 asciilifeform: ever got the thing to work ?

01:39:04 mod6: no worries. yeah. jurov did some magic i wouldn't have ever figured out.

01:39:14 asciilifeform: neato

01:39:25 mod6: sorry, was super busy earlier. been getting ym head kicked in this week.

01:39:44 asciilifeform: is there a link to the latest ?

01:40:06 mod6: yeah, its on the website

01:40:08 mod6: one sec

01:40:10 mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.decimation.1:592e1116aa3803ecba1bb80db5c231d4ebd357a093ad820c3114d9ef39dbf3e8

01:40:10 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for decimation with note: Tested something for me quick

01:40:42 mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.danielpbarron.1:fd829af03ec6e1e365523c7052b003d1cd0c94ebb0254c63ccd8749207c02c38

01:40:42 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for danielpbarron with note: Tested something for me quick

01:40:47 mod6: !rated asciilifeform

01:40:47 assbot: You rated user asciilifeform on 10-Aug-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: #bitcoin-assets & No Such lAbs.

01:41:36 mod6: !rate asciilifeform 2 Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs

01:41:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:41:36 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/47cd15f35bef558b

01:42:07 mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.asciilifeform.2:a2bf41f16c31b6d7481d0c931e1fc204358af2edbbc1240286b8c127f8e80b11

01:42:07 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 1 to 2 with note: Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs

01:42:39 mod6: who'd i miss?

01:43:43 asciilifeform: cut: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory

01:43:44 asciilifeform: find: `./bitcoin-0.5.3.1': No such file or directory

01:43:44 asciilifeform: cat: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory

01:43:44 asciilifeform: Error! The resulting file count after pruning did not match\n

01:43:44 asciilifeform: the file count from the manifest.

01:43:44 asciilifeform: post-pruning: 1

01:43:46 asciilifeform: manifest: 0

01:46:31 mod6: lol

01:46:33 mod6: omg

01:47:03 mod6: ok. just hang tight, i'll just have to rewrite this thing in perl.

01:47:18 mod6: not right this minute or anything, but sometime in the next 2 weeks probably.

01:48:09 mod6: right now, i gotta figure out how to patch the test servers

01:48:16 mod6: and then I gotta start writing the eom docs.

01:48:46 asciilifeform: 5 oomkills today.

01:48:51 mod6: after those are done, i'll revisit all of this again. i'll pull that link off the website for now..

01:49:10 mod6: sorry for the trouble here.

01:50:05 asciilifeform: mod6: might have to patch by hand for now.

01:50:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16845 @ 0.00043147 = 7.2681 BTC [+]

01:50:41 mod6: ok, well, the latest build guide will help you.

01:50:45 asciilifeform: mats: forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise << there were several points. i recommend reading that entire thread, well worth the time

01:50:46 mod6: should be version 0.0.4

01:50:59 mod6: anyway, i'll cross my fingers that you can get through it.

01:51:05 mod6: it's pretty easy.

01:51:23 asciilifeform: mats: point is, proposed protocol is not a circuit at all, but an arbitrarily delay-tolerant 'mailboxer.'

01:51:28 mod6: just make /sure/ to patch in the specified order.

01:51:54 mats: ok

01:51:54 mod6: let me see what I can do about a perl script quick.

01:51:59 mod6: maybe i can whip something out

01:52:06 asciilifeform: mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node)

01:54:33 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/01/brown-105.pdf << mega-lol

01:54:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAefZU )

01:55:17 asciilifeform: reveals that only 20 of his 56 'sentence points' came from the youtube thing.

01:56:55 asciilifeform: 'With respect to Defendant?s inquiry during the January 16, 2015 sentencing hearing regarding the return of his copy of the Declaration of Independence, Defendant?s counsel acknowledged that this is one of the items that Defendant agreed to forfeit as part of his Plea Agreement. Upon further reflection, however, the court can think of no reason why Defendant should have to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independenc

01:56:55 asciilifeform: e, as it was not used to commit any of the crimes of which he was convicted or used in conjunction with any of these crimes. Thus, notwithstanding the agreement between the parties, the court declines to accept the portion of the Plea Agreement that requires Defendant to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independence. Accordingly, the court orders the Government to return Defendant?s copy of the Declaration of Independe

01:56:55 asciilifeform: nce to his counsel within ten (10) days of the date of this order.'

01:56:58 asciilifeform: ^^^^^^^

01:56:59 mats: http://www.naftemporiki.gr/finance/athexTreemap << athens market tanks 9% following disclosure of Tsipras' genius plan

01:57:01 assbot: Χάρτης της αγοράς (Heatmap) | Χρηματιστήριο Αθηνών | naftemporiki.gr ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAeYub )

01:57:14 asciilifeform: ^ i put this here because it is a mega-lol that ought to be recited at the hangings.

01:57:26 asciilifeform: (theirs - or ours - whichever comes first)

02:00:45 mike_c: is this some kind of stupid joke? debian takes 8 DVD's to install?

02:01:11 mike_c: oh, plus two update dvd's. an even 10 is nice i guess.

02:01:13 asciilifeform: wat

02:01:23 mike_c: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd/

02:01:24 assbot: Index of /cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAg4WO )

02:03:51 mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro.

02:03:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00042866 = 9.0019 BTC [-] {2}

02:04:19 trinque: mike_c: no, that's including loads of packages

02:04:35 trinque: there's a mini install iso that's on the order of megs

02:04:58 mike_c: and it works? the other 40 gigs is just crap?

02:05:31 asciilifeform: mike_c: offline installables, for when you're flying to alpha centauri or whatnot

02:05:39 trinque: its some subset of or the whole apt collection

02:06:09 mike_c: interesting. ok. i guess i'll give it a whirl.

02:06:26 *: BingoBoingo will never understand Debian sanely assuming someone assuming someone may want it for space travel, while also thinking someone would take systemd onto a spaceship

02:06:45 asciilifeform: i have no idea for what

02:06:55 asciilifeform: it seems to be a custom left over from the days of 9600 baud

02:07:14 asciilifeform: who here used ftp.cdrom.com ?

02:07:15 trinque: airdropped into africa!

02:08:00 asciilifeform: was an ftp full of nice stuff, that one could never get quite enough of, and consequently was tempted to buy the disk

02:08:07 asciilifeform: (they conveniently packaged it)

02:08:39 asciilifeform: aka 'walnut creek cdrom.'

02:09:02 asciilifeform: https://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/history.html

02:09:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAi01r )

02:09:06 *: BingoBoingo remembers browing linuxiso.???

02:11:13 asciilifeform: jurov: can that lxr thing crap out html for offline viewing by any chance ?

02:20:14 mircea_popescu: !up GodHatesFigs

02:34:30 asciilifeform: 162160

02:49:36 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

02:49:41 gribble: Current Blocks: 340937 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1782 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46118990047.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.74165

02:49:47 mircea_popescu: almsot there eh ? :D

02:49:56 asciilifeform: oomkill every half hour or so

02:50:05 asciilifeform: might need to plug that leak before these sail.

02:50:22 asciilifeform: it isn't a memory leak in the usual sense

02:50:35 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.5.3.1#1466 << here

02:50:36 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByMgOR )

02:50:45 asciilifeform: (and previous threads. but now with nice jurov concordance)

02:50:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro. << debian past sarge suffers from bitcoin past 0.5 problem

02:51:00 mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone using it seriously - the sort of derps that'd want that moved to ubuntu anyway

02:51:04 asciilifeform: the mapOrphanBlocks shitpile never gets flushed.

02:51:20 mircea_popescu: yeah that's likely it.

02:51:26 asciilifeform: provably it.

02:51:31 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1T8RSCJ

02:51:33 assbot: dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByMm96 )

02:51:45 asciilifeform: (threw that here a while ago)

02:52:23 asciilifeform: did anyone ever conclusively identify the first bitcoind release that didn't leak like a sieve ?

02:52:56 thestringpuller: none of them?

02:53:01 mircea_popescu: it never existed.

02:53:08 thestringpuller: d00d its fucking MSVC code

02:53:10 asciilifeform: thestringpuller, mircea_popescu - not so

02:53:11 thestringpuller: da fuck you expect?

02:53:18 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: wat

02:53:28 thestringpuller: v 0.1 was written with Visual C++

02:53:33 asciilifeform: ah that

02:53:50 mircea_popescu: it was to be fixed "eventually". power rangers still not got around to it.

02:54:05 thestringpuller: they'll just run valgrind until it tells them its okay

02:54:12 asciilifeform: i have a 0.8.6 node running continuously with no leakage

02:54:23 asciilifeform: during chain load or otherwise

02:54:49 asciilifeform: although come to think of it, it inherited its blocks from earlier one

02:54:56 mircea_popescu: oh you meant first that way ?

02:55:01 asciilifeform: aha

02:55:07 mircea_popescu: it's not really deterministic best i can tell

02:55:16 mircea_popescu: and im not spending man hours on dead branches.

02:55:30 asciilifeform: only to see what changed

02:55:52 asciilifeform: looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability

02:56:06 asciilifeform: 'glue with broken glass'

02:56:15 mircea_popescu: yep

02:56:31 asciilifeform: almost like these folks specifically anticipated what we are doing here.

02:56:48 asciilifeform: and didn't much care to see it go easily

02:56:48 mircea_popescu: well, no, actually yhat's it : they have been trying to break it, and irretrievably so.

02:56:59 mircea_popescu: they hadn't anticipated exactly how easy it is to get killed doing it.

02:58:38 mircea_popescu: and to think, two years of effort, gone. all those "salaries", suddenly unjustified.

02:58:51 mircea_popescu: all the pissy handlers. all the impatient phone calls. the embarassment of the recent fed paper.

02:59:00 mircea_popescu: if only nightmares could scream.

03:04:59 *: trinque reaches the top of the pile, switches to deedbot dev

03:12:50 BingoBoingo: So many mega lulz in the Barret Brown pile

03:13:41 BingoBoingo: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/01/28/san-francisco-deputy-public-defender-detained-for-intervening-between-police-and-her-client/

03:13:43 assbot: San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Arrested For Intervening Between Police And Her Client « CBS San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7bDYU )

03:15:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10262 @ 0.00043147 = 4.4277 BTC [+]

03:15:23 BingoBoingo: Also Matonis spreading the @qntra tweets over and over again, not back to back... https://twitter.com/jonmatonis

03:15:25 assbot: Jon Matonis (@jonmatonis) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7bTXK )

03:15:56 *: BingoBoingo wonders when he will realize... he can submit writing too as he atones for that unfortunate Foundation episode...

03:16:24 pete_dushenski: matonis is a pretty strong writer too

03:18:32 *: BingoBoingo anticipates though a Matonis submits a piece to qntra BitBet would fall in the BadBets pile.

03:20:43 pete_dushenski: just plunk down a coin on one side or the other and away you go

03:22:13 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, funding obvious badbets is what kicks the Bitbet mixer into action. And BitBet mixer is best mixer

03:23:33 BingoBoingo: 1+1=99

03:23:43 pete_dushenski: i guess i'm more of a gambling man

03:24:26 pete_dushenski: or at least the kind of (young) man that finds claims more interesting when there's something at stake

03:28:42 mike_c: ;;seen mod6

03:28:42 gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mod6> maybe i can whip something out

03:28:57 ben_vulpes: OH GOOD EVENING

03:29:15 *: ben_vulpes sees "glue with broken glass" in scrollback

03:29:20 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, the Serena William match starts in about an hour. Australian Open semifinals. Plenty of time to find a shady book.

03:29:42 pete_dushenski: you betting on black BingoBoingo ?

03:29:46 BingoBoingo: Odds are favorable for betting the underdog.

03:29:54 BingoBoingo: I am betting on not Serena.

03:30:03 mod6: im workin on it

03:30:08 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability << most everything

03:30:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00043255 = 17.6048 BTC [+] {2}

03:30:28 ben_vulpes: although interestingly recently the asshats were making fun of linux committers for calling "large refactors" "antisocial"

03:30:46 mike_c: hey mod6, were you able to get libdb4.8 with apt-get?

03:30:50 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Yes Serena can win, but... odd suggest otherwise even though I'd prefer a different opponent to bet on.

03:31:07 ben_vulpes: mike_c: in my experiments i had to manually download the 4.8 sources.

03:31:08 mike_c: or did you have to download it directly

03:31:26 ben_vulpes: this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target

03:31:32 ben_vulpes: then..."ghost".

03:31:33 mike_c: well, i just installed deb 6

03:31:46 ben_vulpes: how are you handling the ghost vulnerability?

03:31:57 mike_c: i'll deal with that tomorrow. one problem at a time :)

03:32:06 ben_vulpes: i'm reluctant to include patches for deb 6 in the "fundation"'s domain.

03:32:11 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target << I though a lesson of Pogo is cheap was any sane *nix is target

03:32:27 ben_vulpes: oh all *nixen are the same nao?

03:33:18 *: ben_vulpes doesn't know anything about anything

03:33:37 ben_vulpes: or perhaps message is that deb is not sane nix

03:33:45 ben_vulpes: an argument i've no basis to contest

03:33:56 mike_c: i blame the foundation. i'm following your noob guide.

03:34:13 ben_vulpes: gtfo ghost is less than a week old

03:34:30 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's that something that works on one *nix the right way should work on most of them.

03:34:52 ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers << hey might not even have to foot the bill for con4 whaddaya think mod6 ;P

03:35:00 nubbins`: ;D

03:35:24 ben_vulpes: i must confess to not having worked through ascii's hateful tar yet

03:35:39 *: ben_vulpes cracks the archive

03:39:58 ben_vulpes: !up happyfr0gg

03:40:20 asciilifeform: had to manually download the 4.8 sources << for my crossdev buildatron, you have to.

03:40:23 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Ah it is some American girl named Keys my money is on.

03:40:52 asciilifeform: debian << it's distro-agnostic, incidentally

03:40:52 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just beat the other Williams sister too.

03:41:04 asciilifeform: (buildatron, that is)

03:41:43 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus15/story/_/id/12239844/2015-australian-open-women-quarterfinals

03:41:44 assbot: 2015 Australian Open -- Women's quarterfinals - ESPN ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7fXHK )

03:41:44 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tar << self-explanatory in the comments

03:42:22 ben_vulpes: indeed. i'm enjoying reading your work.

03:42:33 asciilifeform: lol, it's a sh script

03:42:37 asciilifeform: not much there.

03:42:38 asciilifeform: but works.

03:42:47 ben_vulpes: okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao

03:42:51 asciilifeform: when used as prescribed (tm)

03:47:29 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: odds?

03:48:09 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I got in at about 5.5 time my stake this afternoon.

03:48:28 *: BingoBoingo doesn't want to endorse any shady non-BitBet book in chan

03:49:04 pete_dushenski: that's a healthy slope

03:50:07 pete_dushenski: heck, i'd offer 5:1 for 0.1 btc

03:50:12 BingoBoingo: Well Anything less than 10 when facing Serena has been +ev for me. I tend to bet just enough to raise the projected winning to around and even BTC. This time though I went smaller

03:50:34 pete_dushenski: ^anyone may take

03:50:45 *: BingoBoingo prefers making these bets on the shady books for the purpose of rescuing BTC from less responsible hands

03:54:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo help the guy get in the wot, why not.

03:56:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The invitation's been extended on a platform he monitors (Twatter). If he wants in it is his turn to move.

03:57:02 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao < ?! lol

03:57:30 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo works

03:59:52 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If Matonis is more comfortable tweeting qntra articles and hanging around the margins, he knows the invite is out there. As much as the Vessennes episode seemed to burn him I can not fault him if he wants to take some time before committing to allegiances in the future. Especially since being older, but not yet a codger he likely has ropes to contend with.

04:00:17 mircea_popescu: sure.

04:00:29 mike_c: would be nice if this script wasn't polluted with html tags.. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html

04:00:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCCWnX )

04:01:01 mircea_popescu: "The #OWS demo wants to see powerful men humbled before the t-shirted, tweeting masses, it allows them the fantasy that it could some day happen here, which it won't because the propaganda worked."

04:01:07 mircea_popescu: ha-HA! it will, because we happened.

04:01:30 mircea_popescu: except, it won't be men in usg-blue shirts humbled before tshirted croc wearing crowd,

04:01:42 mircea_popescu: it will be both, before pornmonging physchopats etc.

04:01:49 asciilifeform: gotta ask,

04:01:52 asciilifeform: what is a 'croc' ?

04:01:57 mircea_popescu: bad plastic shoes

04:01:57 asciilifeform: crock of shit ?

04:01:59 asciilifeform: lol

04:02:04 mircea_popescu: if you recall the soviet vairant, you know why it's so funny.

04:02:12 asciilifeform: aha.

04:02:27 pete_dushenski: "comfiest shoes ever"

04:02:32 pete_dushenski: also "ugliest"

04:02:33 mircea_popescu: (it's almost exactly the same, minus the exact cutouts - much like the recent "3d fad" is exactly the 80s same thing, rehashed"

04:02:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79550 @ 0.000434 = 34.5247 BTC [+] {3}

04:02:52 asciilifeform: 'history rhymes'

04:03:20 lobbes: mircea_popescu: thanks for exposing me to tlp. I especially enjoyed 'hipsters on foodstamps'

04:03:38 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what is a 'croc' ? << Plastic clog footwear sold in mall walkways. Watchstand I worked at has a croc dealer as a neighbor. Things seem practical as an alternative shoe for some kinds of boating and little else.

04:03:50 mircea_popescu: lobbes i dun recall who invented him here. mebbe bb ?

04:04:35 BingoBoingo: I might have. If I did it was prolly the rum fountain episode that so enamoured TheNewDeal

04:04:55 BingoBoingo: Look at the bug wandering into future amber https://twitter.com/aarontimms/status/560460331097792512

04:04:57 assbot: This critique of /yanisvaroufakis is way less convincing than Varoufakis's critique of bitcoin. http://t.co/HFangftMNf

04:05:42 BingoBoingo: !up toddf

04:06:16 mircea_popescu: yeah well, apple pie is probably a lot more convincing than working out.

04:06:23 mircea_popescu: "convincing" is not a criterion.

04:06:30 asciilifeform: re: mapOrphanBlocks: there is some confusion of terminology in the source. the orphan blocks in question are not the orphan blocks spoken of usually (i.e. blocks on dead ends of the tree) but rather any block for which the antecedent is not yet loaded by the node

04:06:49 asciilifeform: hence the nondeterminism. the blocks arrive in braindamaged order and are not sorted in any intelligent way

04:07:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "I write about finance for Institutional Investor and sport and other stuff for The Guardian. In January I'll be directing @dissrupt2015."

04:07:04 mircea_popescu: derp.

04:07:06 asciilifeform: nor does is fetching mechanism steered

04:07:21 mircea_popescu: when your enemy says this ain't convincing you just scored.

04:07:23 asciilifeform: and wtf is with the two entirely disjoint concepts named 'orphan'

04:07:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oyu don't understand how the world works!!1

04:08:00 asciilifeform: i'm assuming everybody else here who read the thing, was stumped similarly

04:08:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well Slate is conviced housing will boost Merica's economy instead of America's housing customs coalescing into multi-generational domiciles common in much of the unbezzel'd world http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/01/28/millennials_living_with_parents_we_just_can_t_leave_the_nest_apparently.html

04:08:13 assbot: Millennials living with parents: We just can't leave the nest apparently ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCDYAl )

04:08:32 mircea_popescu: "we're just seeking a power structure"

04:08:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually!

04:09:15 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein)

04:09:38 asciilifeform: that great invention, communal flat, has won over the americans.

04:10:27 asciilifeform: four bois/gurlz to a flat, room each, one shitter, one kitchenette, tv pit.

04:10:58 mircea_popescu: clearly the american dream has won out : they live now like the romanian girls i used to fuck in the 80s.

04:11:06 mircea_popescu: such victory of socialism.

04:11:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Happens here too. Also common are parents who overbought house a decade ago apportioning space to their adult spawn to use as residence. One family I know Daughter has upstairs, son basement, deedholders floor 1. Much of their subdivisions households have similarly organized.

04:12:15 asciilifeform: the variant described above is the 'luxury' btw.

04:12:29 BingoBoingo: Of course

04:12:33 asciilifeform: for those with slightly less-loaded parents, same arrangement informally, with higher density

04:12:35 asciilifeform: and more vermin

04:12:36 punkman: ^ super common around here

04:12:48 asciilifeform: in converted victorian houses

04:13:16 asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year

04:13:20 mircea_popescu: clearly, the rich are very very affraid of this scum.

04:13:24 asciilifeform: (ended up with a normal one)

04:13:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You only get converted victorian houses there because your region has a history of being populated.

04:13:39 mike_c: mod6: you interested in feedback on this script?

04:13:54 mircea_popescu: let us now wonder and inquire and soulsearch as to why-oh-why tuberculosis, syphilis and lice are on the raise in san francisco

04:14:00 asciilifeform: it was a mindfuck. went to see this one place, it had... 8 bois/gurlz

04:14:05 mircea_popescu: you know, the "silicon valley"

04:14:13 asciilifeform: owner introduces, says, 'this fella wants the place'

04:14:19 asciilifeform: they 'which room'

04:14:26 mircea_popescu: lol

04:14:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In this region that flavor is still mostly confined to close proximity to universities.

04:14:27 asciilifeform: me: 'what room'

04:14:34 punkman: hah

04:14:40 asciilifeform: it had the oddest heater i've ever seen

04:14:47 asciilifeform: something quite like a jet engine, mounted in the cellar

04:14:56 asciilifeform: blowing through a grate in floors one and two

04:15:00 asciilifeform: vertically.

04:15:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now tell me that taking the whole raft/8pack of dumbass chickies on a dogfoot pellets / leather belts and canes diet isn't somnething THEY should pay you for.

04:15:15 asciilifeform: you stand on the grate and peer in the fiery abyss.

04:15:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol i wasn't thinking of subleasing them

04:15:39 mircea_popescu: jus' sayin'.

04:15:41 asciilifeform: they'd be out on their arses

04:15:48 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> blowing through a grate in floors one and two << Rather common in the middle west in houses converted from boiler radiator arrangement to "central heat"

04:15:54 mircea_popescu: and yet these are the derps going on about "intrinsic worth" on reddit.

04:15:57 asciilifeform: but i didn't take that building, owner refused to carry out construction work i wanted.

04:16:02 mircea_popescu: it'd better be *intrinsic* knamean ?

04:17:06 asciilifeform: lol!

04:17:26 asciilifeform: it was surreal, seeing how these folks each live in room the size of toilet in my old flat

04:17:43 mircea_popescu: one has trouble comprehending why the "conferences" are so exciting

04:17:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But they all have CentiPads

04:17:51 asciilifeform: and with tv each, some books (all school-related, counted), titanic piles of clothing forming a kind of underbrush in each

04:17:58 mircea_popescu: then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up

04:18:06 asciilifeform: aha.

04:18:17 asciilifeform: most zoologically educational experience i had in years.

04:18:41 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up << the same 8 to an initially clean hotel room to them counts as luxury

04:21:27 BingoBoingo: Note in the slate article the differential between Boys and Girls moving back in with the parents. A surprising part of the differential is girls moving in with the boy's parents.

04:21:44 mike_c: well look at that. http://i.imgur.com/B9Kq467.png thanks foundation!

04:21:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7mces )

04:21:52 mike_c: relatively painless.

04:22:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79300 @ 0.00043257 = 34.3028 BTC [-]

04:23:44 asciilifeform: 'Right now, the U.S. household formation rate (essentailly the pace at which people, typically young adults, are moving out on their own) is incredibly low. When it speeds up, you'll see more demand for housing, and the things that come along with it, like appliances, furniture, televisions, and so forth. So, you know, just think of this graph as increasing potential.' << mega-lol!

04:24:55 asciilifeform: ~= 'think of this sinking titanic as increasing potential! when it hits the bottom of the sea, it will inevitably bounce up, with such strength that it will fly to the moon !111!'

04:29:12 mod6: it's coming....

04:29:37 asciilifeform: well, it half-works.

04:29:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802309

04:29:54 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'

04:31:54 asciilifeform: from my understanding, u.s. civilian real estate chumpmeisters are split into two camps - the optimists, who intend to buy the old folks' homes using 'reverse mortgages' - pensions, appealing to folks with destroyed or absent savings, which bargain away the property - and then sell them back to young chumps;

04:32:07 asciilifeform: and realists, who are building kommunalki.

04:33:08 asciilifeform: the latter, in the initial designs are laughably low-density - but can always be packed tighter.

04:33:17 asciilifeform: and tighter.

04:33:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00042991 = 19.7329 BTC [-] {2}

04:34:11 mircea_popescu: wd mike_c :D

04:34:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ someone did it eh

04:34:30 mike_c: only couple minor mods to the foundation script were needed

04:34:36 asciilifeform: mike_c: what that mod6's script, or mine ?

04:34:44 mike_c: mod6

04:34:46 asciilifeform: aha

04:36:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dishonestly is by now so much the way of life in the us that no sane businessman intending to sell slum dwellings can possibly proceed in any other manner than by pretending it's low density.

04:36:12 asciilifeform: aha, how else.

04:36:32 mircea_popescu: like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"

04:36:39 mircea_popescu: burned at stake.

04:37:04 mircea_popescu: !up testsasdfqwer

04:37:05 asciilifeform: no one paints 'gasenwagen' on the van. they paint 'kaiser kaffee'.

04:37:22 pete_dushenski: mike_c: what tweaks did it take to get it going on deb6?

04:37:55 mike_c: had to manual download and dpkg the libdb4.8 packages

04:38:25 mike_c: a few of the gpg lines had an extraneous dash in them that was causing error

04:39:11 mike_c: and the script could only be run once because it fails if it doesn't import the 3 keys, which only happens the first itme you run it

04:39:20 mike_c: but all in all, worked like a champ.

04:39:39 pete_dushenski: sweet. wd

04:39:53 mircea_popescu: mike_c what is this running on ? pc ?

04:40:07 mike_c: yup

04:40:16 mircea_popescu: cool.

04:40:44 mike_c: i absolutely love how little code there is and how fast it built. feels right, as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases.

04:40:52 mircea_popescu: ayup.

04:40:59 mircea_popescu: foundation definitely going the right path.

04:41:15 asciilifeform: as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases << gnu autoconf is the culprit 99%

04:41:19 asciilifeform: of the time.

04:41:48 decimation: re: walnut creek < I remember. I also remember when you could get shareware by mailorder catalog - on floppies

04:41:58 mircea_popescu: pre gates.

04:42:01 asciilifeform: autoconf, what a sad joke. so often dwarfs the proggy it's distributed with!

04:43:10 mod6: mike_c: \o/ neat pic :)

04:43:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00042441 = 29.3692 BTC [-] {2}

04:43:36 asciilifeform: decimation: i admit to having been mildly surprised to learn today that ftp.cdrom.com vanished years ago. i sorta expected some shrivelled, mummufied husk to still be there.

04:44:22 asciilifeform: the evil things of that time - all are still there, in some zombie form (aol, yahoo, microshit)

04:44:55 asciilifeform: the bright things - vanished

04:44:57 mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << so as the trafic grows, the women and aa demographics continue to shrink.

04:44:58 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )

04:45:00 asciilifeform: who remembers the finnish ftp search engine?

04:45:05 decimation: ibiblio is still around

04:45:05 asciilifeform: nothing like it was built again

04:45:12 asciilifeform: (i'd love to know why)

04:45:51 *: decimation got internet in 1994, only had bbs before that

04:46:31 *: decimation feels sorry for kids who grew up with the internet and guis

04:48:12 BingoBoingo: !up Rozal

04:49:31 lobbes: decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands

04:50:24 decimation: lobbes: indeed. born consumers

04:50:34 BingoBoingo: <lobbes> decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands << Or people who because of persistent other interest feel themselves trapped in "consumer" platform

04:50:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat ?

04:51:24 decimation: re: autoconf << horrible. whoever thought it was a good idea to write 'magic autoconfigure' in 'm4' ought to be negrated

04:51:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Music typesetting, Video editting, and other hobby pursuits tend to be adventures that lock people into Winshit or Mac shit for too long

04:52:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about everyone knows an 'arts type' with his photoshit

04:52:18 decimation: video editing may be, but there are plenty of perfectly functional music typesetting add-ons for TeX

04:52:33 mike_c: lol. the "other" foundation also had a 0.5.3.1 release

04:52:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right.

04:52:37 asciilifeform: decimation: typesetting - not sequencing

04:53:01 asciilifeform: (a sequencer typically has provisions for playback, and entry from external device)

04:53:09 BingoBoingo: ^ Yes

04:53:21 asciilifeform: as well as moving, well, sequences, around.

04:53:22 *: decimation believes that a dedicated machine ought to handle both of those functions

04:53:33 *: decimation remembers editing video on 'video toaster'

04:54:37 BingoBoingo: For music there are dedicated machines. Just... when composing writing to staff paper analogue and playing back is a huge timesaver when getting the headmusic out.

04:55:22 Rozal: Thank you BingoBoingo

04:56:05 decimation: just because one edits videos on a computer doesn't the same hardware must also be used to surf the web

04:56:11 BingoBoingo: Rozal: Still neither removing my rating or engaging you in private discussion... ever

04:56:44 Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days

04:57:02 asciilifeform: decimation: with the disappearance of forced use of tape to push the requisite bit heaps, no longer any reason for dedicated 'video computer'

04:57:14 asciilifeform: aside from the twirly-knobs

04:57:31 mike_c: asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2353#issuecomment-14806541

04:57:33 assbot: bitcoin-qt out-of-virtual-address-space problem · Issue #2353 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByXToV )

04:57:45 mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed."

04:58:32 asciilifeform: why the fuck does it even fetch block n when n-1 is not present ?

04:58:41 asciilifeform: who conceived of this, and on what drug

04:58:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00043859 = 14.8243 BTC [+] {2}

04:59:00 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tz3xr/new_coinbase_bitcoin_exchange_is_the_best_one_yet/co4bd1x

04:59:03 assbot: nobodybelievesyou comments on New Coinbase Bitcoin Exchange Is the Best One Yet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByY03W )

04:59:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SPEED!!!

04:59:43 asciilifeform: more like retardation

04:59:56 asciilifeform: (what kind of dope is a direct opposite of 'speed' ?)

05:00:16 asciilifeform: chlorpromazine ?

05:00:24 BingoBoingo: Close

05:01:12 BingoBoingo: Clozapine is probably closer to an exact opposite

05:01:45 BingoBoingo: Either that or good old vitamin H

05:01:46 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpromazine#mediaviewer/File:Thorazine_advert.jpg << lol!

05:01:50 assbot: Chlorpromazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByYeIj )

05:02:34 *: BingoBoingo uses the traditional vitamin H, haloperidol as an example not pop culture Horse drug

05:05:04 decimation: "like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"" << most us cities have zoning rules specifically banning multiple occupants, multiple buildings, converting house to apartment, etc

05:05:39 decimation: most even have rules requiring a minimum floor size

05:06:15 mike_c: so the "fix" was to limit the # of orphan blocks to 750. if that size is exceeded, delete random orphan block from the pool as long as it has no other orphans depending on it.

05:06:18 asciilifeform: yes. every major population centre.

05:06:27 asciilifeform: but in practice there are 'grandfathered exceptions' etc

05:06:35 asciilifeform: because you gotta put all those warm bodies somewhere

05:06:49 asciilifeform: and (at least presently) the white kidz can't be placed just anywhere

05:06:53 decimation: asciilifeform: in the tenements owned by the rulemakers of course

05:08:34 cazalla: get home from holidays, bouncer autojoins #b-a and our friendly ddosser caught me slippin'

05:08:41 BingoBoingo: AH

05:15:43 cazalla: ;;rate rozal -10 alleged that i stole bitcoin from him, fabricated logs and confessed to doing so, avoid at all costs - my logs here http://qntra.net/rozal.txt

05:15:43 assbot: Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByZdZ9 )

05:15:44 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rozal has changed from -3 to -10.

05:15:57 cazalla: fucking cunt put a dent in the first day of my holiday

05:17:36 Rozal: Yawn

05:17:54 Rozal: Doesn't effect my business :)

05:18:14 BingoBoingo: !up GoldenVizions

05:18:25 cazalla: it will when you go beyond nickles and dimes Rozal

05:19:25 BingoBoingo: !up Rozal

05:20:03 Rozal: Anyways, I think the matter is closed and I don't wish to create more drama

05:21:26 BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/gallery/qzM4Mn9

05:21:28 assbot: I'm not even mad, I'm just impressed. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByZD1q )

05:21:56 asciilifeform: if there's one thing ancient wots had over ours, it was branding.

05:22:04 asciilifeform: not the idiot american marketing term

05:22:06 asciilifeform: but branding.

05:22:08 asciilifeform: as in, hot iron.

05:22:22 asciilifeform: as a pill against 'it won't affect my business'

05:22:28 BingoBoingo: !b 3

05:22:28 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2RGJDK9.txt )

05:24:18 asciilifeform: just picture the sizzling iron, 'S' for sp4mz0r, ...

05:24:35 asciilifeform: tsssh-ssss.

05:24:50 BingoBoingo: I will admit to "imagining"

05:26:13 mod6: on the last part...

05:26:57 mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.

05:27:13 BingoBoingo: Saying one's business is unaffected though is almost always a tacit admission one's business prospects have been affected.

05:27:25 BingoBoingo: ;;rated Rozal

05:27:26 gribble: You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.

05:27:26 asciilifeform: mike_c: unless you were very careful, node may have problems receiving newly born blocks.

05:28:17 mike_c: i was not careful. question that will be potentially answered: was that the only thing bloating the memory as we stroll from block 150k to 300k.

05:28:33 Rozal: Hmm, so your implying that it has effected my business

05:28:45 Rozal: affected*

05:30:16 Rozal: I use otc for small trades, and haven't had a single bad trade. I think I'll be alright

05:31:07 BingoBoingo: The world does not merely exist in the present as people fretting about future memory exhaustion demonstrate.

05:31:31 cazalla: anyways, i bbl, need some sleep after long drive

05:32:20 mircea_popescu: o look at that, it's a cazalla!

05:37:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2589 @ 0.00043899 = 1.1365 BTC [+]

05:37:28 asciilifeform: 169763

05:46:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4601 @ 0.0004398 = 2.0235 BTC [+]

05:46:40 mod6: damn. literally on the last step here.

05:46:59 mod6: but apparently you have to be in the src dir to execute the `make -f makefile.unix` successfully.

05:48:02 mod6: maybe i can use this chdir thing

05:50:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on rereading log - that jet engine heater - exists elsewhere ?!

05:50:09 *: asciilifeform wants to see photos of it

05:50:15 *: asciilifeform thought it was unique to that one dump

05:51:47 BingoBoingo: not "jet engine" shape, but upblowing furnace not uncommon http://www.alpinehomeair.com/viewcategory.cfm?CategoryID=127

05:51:48 assbot: Standard Forced Air Furnaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDHScf )

05:52:02 asciilifeform: eh no

05:52:06 asciilifeform: these are normal forced air furnaces

05:52:08 asciilifeform: for ducts

05:52:11 asciilifeform: i have one here.

05:52:45 asciilifeform: that thing - was actually a cylindrical beast, 3 or so metres tall, ~2 wide

05:53:06 asciilifeform: enormous propeller inside, and diesel oil tank on other end of room.

05:53:25 mod6: ok that worked.

05:53:29 mod6: *whew*

05:53:32 BingoBoingo: Ah, that is less common. Sounds like a fad riding a postwar technology trend

05:53:49 asciilifeform: was nominally retired in favour of forced-air system clumsily retrofitted (fat hose in each room, shedding insulation)

05:54:02 asciilifeform: but still there, on account of no one having paid to have it cut with torches and removed

05:54:08 mod6: ye ole 3 hour tour

05:55:38 BingoBoingo: Sounds like standard landlord fare.

05:56:00 mod6: root@ip-172-31-10-219:/mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# grep "Bitcoin version" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log

05:56:03 mod6: Bitcoin version 0.5.3.1-beta

05:56:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: found it! turns out, these were called 'floor furnace'.

05:57:49 BingoBoingo: Aha

05:58:08 BingoBoingo: Forced only by physics

05:58:27 asciilifeform: there was propeller

05:58:28 asciilifeform: but no ducts

05:58:38 BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/paris-killers-radicalized-in-prison-now-leaders-want-to-fix-that-problem/2015/01/28/52271e28-a307-11e4-91fc-7dff95a14458_story.html

05:58:38 assbot: French prisons, long hotbeds of radical Islam, get new scrutiny after Paris attacks - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDIzSY )

05:58:42 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

05:58:44 asciilifeform: or rather, there was a space between floor 0 and 1

05:59:08 asciilifeform: not sure why that thing made such an impression on me

05:59:09 asciilifeform: but it did

05:59:12 mod6: ok

05:59:13 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FRCVLcc6

05:59:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDIFdo )

05:59:44 mod6: it'll need some clean up perhaps... but if anyone wants to give that a shot... i had success with that, about 3 times just now

06:01:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably because such unusual solutions tend to leave impressions. I similarly remember house that happened to be along infrequently traveled highway with porch overhand supported by unfinished bark on sections of tree trunk

06:01:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was also a memorable house that wasn't level.

06:01:43 asciilifeform: as in, put a marble on the floor and it will roll.

06:01:56 BingoBoingo: Ah

06:01:58 asciilifeform: also had what was apparently an extension, with entirely different inclination

06:02:00 asciilifeform: sinking into the earth

06:02:07 asciilifeform: and a 'second floor' that was about 1m tall

06:02:10 asciilifeform: (converted attic)

06:02:27 BingoBoingo: DC area is notorious for "settling" issues

06:02:27 asciilifeform: with the one habitable 10 sq. m. or so, converted into a toilet and gigantic bathtub

06:04:07 BingoBoingo: Here there tends to be a divide amongst neighborhoods capable of basements and undermined areas where basement might lead to extra unfinished floorspace.

06:04:27 BingoBoingo: Thanks to the coal mining that happened

06:04:37 asciilifeform: http://inspectapedia.com/heat/octopus1df.jpg << here we go!

06:04:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJmDo )

06:05:09 asciilifeform: https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4096/4859575833_98a4daecd2_z.jpg

06:05:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJtin )

06:05:16 asciilifeform: ^ no, not a nazi crematorium. home furnace.

06:06:02 mod6: looks like freddy crugers old furnace

06:06:07 mod6: *kruger

06:07:14 BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/01/28/the-islamic-states-dragunov-sniper-rifles-in-photos/?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1

06:07:16 assbot: The Islamic State’s Dragunov sniper rifles, in photos - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJLpv )

06:07:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: barrel resource ~= 1000 rounds.

06:08:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Barrel is almost always the or a limiting factor

06:08:27 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/jurors-tell-judge-they-cant-agree-in-cia-leak-trial-of-jeffrey-sterling/2015/01/26/db819f78-a57c-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1

06:08:28 assbot: Former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling convicted in leak case - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJVgr )

06:08:30 asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol

06:08:34 asciilifeform: this case dragged on for years

06:08:43 asciilifeform: and involved a hilarious usg idiocy

06:08:47 asciilifeform: basic summary:

06:08:51 mod6: asciilifeform: you try that thing out, or did you build by hand?

06:08:59 asciilifeform: mod6: not yet

06:09:07 mod6: aight.

06:09:17 BingoBoingo: !b 4

06:09:19 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17MB567.txt )

06:09:19 asciilifeform: ru nuke man defected with drawings for detonator electronics

06:09:28 asciilifeform: it was of no use to usa because, well, had own

06:09:33 asciilifeform: but they shelved it, for later

06:09:44 asciilifeform: the 'later' came when another ru nuke jockey defected

06:10:06 asciilifeform: plans were doctored (subtly embugged) and given to sandia (iirc) labs to test

06:10:24 asciilifeform: monkeys puttered around for an entire quarter and fixed one of the half dozen or so deliberate mistakes

06:10:35 asciilifeform: (cia told them nothing)

06:10:50 asciilifeform: the latter decided it was fit for disinfo use, and sent ru chump to iran to sell it

06:10:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1300 @ 0.00098007 = 1.2741 BTC [-] {6}

06:11:00 asciilifeform: he did not know the bugs were deliberate... promptly fixed.

06:11:07 BingoBoingo: lol

06:11:13 asciilifeform: like, in minutes.

06:11:21 BingoBoingo: Physics is a bitch

06:11:31 asciilifeform: this was leaked by the fella in that picture

06:11:46 asciilifeform: usg ended up grudgingly trotting out all of the original documents proving that every word was true

06:11:50 asciilifeform: in order to convict him

06:11:57 asciilifeform: (they're on 'cryptome')

06:12:23 asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc.

06:13:17 BingoBoingo: I recall in middle and High School dod.gov hosting some rather complete plans plainly on the public web because of FOIA which have since been memory holed

06:14:30 asciilifeform: 'The case against Sterling was largely circumstantial ? there were no recorded phone conversations or captured e-mail exchanges that show that he leaked classified information to Risen ? and that required prosecutors? to delve deeply into Sterling?s work and the details of Risen?s book. By prosecutors? account, Sterling was the only potential source who had a relationship with Risen, knew all of the information fro

06:14:31 asciilifeform: m the chapter at issue and had a motive to discuss his clandestine work. They argued that the book ? which suggested that the secret operation might actually have helped further Iran?s nuclear research ? was somewhat inaccurate and that it cast Sterling as a hero and the CIA as hapless.'

06:15:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.0004398 = 11.2589 BTC [+]

06:15:37 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/01/sterling-exhibits-105-108-nyt-15-0117.pdf http://cryptome.org/2015/01/sterling-cia-exhibits.pdf ^ for those interested. (mostly scans of primary docs)

06:15:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDKR4G )

06:16:05 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/27/this-alleged-russian-spy-ring-was-interested-in-some-very-dangerous-things/?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_2 << in other news, 'oh noez, wreckerz!'

06:16:06 assbot: This alleged Russian spy ring was interested in some very dangerous things - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDKV4m )

06:16:16 asciilifeform: d3st4b1l1z1ng our m4rk3tz!

06:17:05 mircea_popescu: Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days << o boy.

06:17:07 mircea_popescu: !up Rozal

06:17:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed." << not really fixed in any sense. just, counter-kludged.

06:18:06 asciilifeform: again, reminder for readers, these are -not- orphan blocks in the sense of 'orphaned transactions' and dead tree branches

06:18:15 mod6: anyway, let me know how it goes. im out.

06:18:22 mod6: later!

06:19:01 mircea_popescu: maybne the proper term is "parentless"

06:19:08 mircea_popescu: as opposed to "proper" orphans ?

06:19:15 asciilifeform: aha.

06:19:21 BingoBoingo: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/01/29#l1422508839 << popcorn

06:19:22 assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDLnPV )

06:22:18 asciilifeform: according to that pile of shit on cryptome, the 'bugs' were mainly omissions of component values in an analogue circuit.

06:22:41 asciilifeform: because, apparently, no man alive can derive them again

06:22:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this.

06:22:56 asciilifeform: without tw3nty y34rz m4nh0urz

06:24:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I honestly at first though cazalla was making too much of this until... Rozal fabircated theft allegations against cazalla, which he would later confess to only when caught in a lie.

06:24:47 *: mircea_popescu hasn't looked into things.

06:24:59 BingoBoingo: ;;rated Rozal

06:25:00 gribble: You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.

06:25:11 asciilifeform: 170700.

06:25:11 BingoBoingo: ^ relevant dramas linked

06:25:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know im so impressed with that little train engine...

06:25:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: have one yet ?

06:25:58 mircea_popescu: nope

06:26:04 mircea_popescu: i live in the sticks.

06:26:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51362 @ 0.00043944 = 22.5705 BTC [-]

06:26:17 asciilifeform: can it be had in the land of the colocolo and ocelot ?

06:26:21 BingoBoingo: Choo Choo

06:26:22 mircea_popescu: dubious.

06:26:40 mircea_popescu: if worst comes to worst ima have friends import em when visiting.

06:26:48 asciilifeform: i'll be sure to bring a few.

06:27:30 asciilifeform: we can always do a build for whatever nas-gizmotron -is- available down there.

06:27:42 mircea_popescu: you'll be easy to pick up in the airport. "fetch me the guy that's inside a pile of boxes"

06:28:12 mircea_popescu: o btw

06:28:15 mircea_popescu: $conference

06:28:16 empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 19 days. Estimated cost today: 8.08122669 BTC (Details: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )

06:29:40 asciilifeform: i'd still rather eat actual food and have to import gizmos, than vice-versa

06:29:56 *: asciilifeform eats considerably more food than gizmo

06:30:05 BingoBoingo: !b 2

06:30:06 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2F1BZ1R.txt )

06:31:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform defo.

06:31:55 mircea_popescu: also, gizmos keep.

06:32:28 asciilifeform: typically.

06:32:35 asciilifeform: when they don't grow little legs at customs office

06:33:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: not sure why that thing made such an impression on me << because it's pretty fuckin stupid.

06:33:34 mircea_popescu: and if custom guy wants to steal the thing to run his own node i dun mind lol.

06:33:43 mircea_popescu: not like i import the usual sort of teledildonics / ipads

06:34:29 asciilifeform: lol!

06:36:07 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/d2ivsPk

06:36:08 assbot: widget now with serial console - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDNFys )

06:36:34 mircea_popescu: The Post Recommends: Remember Russia? It?s still doomed.

06:36:35 mircea_popescu: lol

06:36:47 asciilifeform: ahahaha.

06:36:59 asciilifeform: (who wants pinout, can find it in thread from 2-3 days ago)

06:38:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc. << i recall that. i also recall thinking "gee whiz, what a pointless thing nukes actually are."

06:39:21 asciilifeform: much buck, little bang

06:39:25 asciilifeform: at least, if sits on shelf.

06:51:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00043222 = 19.666 BTC [-] {2}

07:13:21 mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/cuba-demands-guantanamo-bay-return-ties-150129051657782.html

07:13:22 assbot: Cuba demands Guantanamo Bay in return for US ties - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5JeCd )

07:44:57 mircea_popescu: they got their own perople to put in there huh

07:55:53 mats: the cubans ought to sublease the place

07:57:27 mats: maybe the americans will cover utilities

08:00:51 mircea_popescu: lol

08:01:11 mircea_popescu: actually... i doubt obama would mind giving it to them, provided the cia etc still gets to use it.

08:01:31 mircea_popescu: buncha derps in there nobody knows what to do with anyway

08:01:40 mircea_popescu: the very dangerous terrorists of not particularly.

08:07:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00042093 = 35.4423 BTC [-] {4}

08:11:05 []bot: Bet created: "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/

08:15:29 fluffypony: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/gaming/117673-smallest-ever-chess-program-487-bytes.html

08:15:32 assbot: Smallest ever chess program: 487 bytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1A0RZ1R )

08:15:32 fluffypony: that is impressive

08:16:29 mircea_popescu: 487 bytes ? yeah.

08:18:46 xanthyos: wow

08:19:21 []bot: Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,989.

08:31:50 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/misopiny/

08:33:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00041854 = 3.2855 BTC [-]

08:46:50 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/xioG580.jpg

08:46:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Erv3KK )

08:58:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00041886 = 18.3251 BTC [+]

09:24:37 phillipsjk: OK, I got more data on the DDOS

09:24:58 nubbins`: asciilifeform is that just a basic FTDI adapter you've got hooked up to it? i'll take those pinouts if you've got a !search query handy

09:26:02 phillipsjk: It is a UDP fragment flood lasting about 30 minutes. about 0.3% of the packets were ICMP messages. Not sure if they are looking for "no route to host" from an intermediate router or what.

09:27:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2085 @ 0.00096444 = 2.0109 BTC [-] {5}

09:27:43 phillipsjk: The second time (when I reconnected my router after the attack dropped to ~12kiB/s) the ICMP packets were making up about 0.9% of the packets.

09:29:00 phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P

09:32:29 nubbins`: wild

09:32:48 nubbins`: my netflix streaming quality *has* improved since i got a cloak

09:32:49 nubbins`: shrug

09:32:56 phillipsjk: heh

09:33:01 nubbins`: fiber to the door = ntb

09:33:21 trinque: my modem has gone down a couple times times this week

09:33:24 trinque: could just be shitty comcast

09:33:25 nubbins`: ok, pogoplug ordered

09:33:55 nubbins`: $27usd incl. shipping to the great white north(east)

09:34:04 phillipsjk: I found the attacker were enough to slow down the router. (Loading the web interface takes a while while under attack)

09:34:28 nubbins`: that's mildly inconvenient

09:35:44 phillipsjk: it was not unuseable or anything. Logging into the router from my Pentium-II (using X forwarding) was *way* more painful.

09:36:37 *: phillipsjk does not trust Internet-facing admin interfaces

09:37:03 nubbins`: oic

09:38:25 phillipsjk: Wikipedia says ntb may be a "net-top-box"?

09:39:27 nubbins`: not too bad

09:39:32 nubbins`: ;;ud ntb

09:39:33 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ntb | ntb. Internet Shortform: Not Too Bad. How you doing? ntb thanks. by mode_seven February ... "Yeah I asked him but he totally gave me the NTB. Awkward city.".

09:40:08 nubbins`: could just ask next time ;D

09:40:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00041785 = 24.9874 BTC [-] {2}

09:40:35 nubbins`: i'm gonna order some kialara bars today, anyone want one?

09:45:03 phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. 1. No servers. 2. They request detail GIS images from municipalities, but only give back "as build" diagrams in PDF format for "proprietary reasons"

09:45:15 nubbins`: !search out of ink

09:45:16 assbot: 6 results for 'out of ink' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=out+of+ink

09:48:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00042305 = 16.6893 BTC [+] {3}

10:32:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.0004263 = 25.4501 BTC [+] {2}

11:47:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45585 @ 0.00042148 = 19.2132 BTC [-] {2}

12:06:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00043347 = 8.5394 BTC [+]

12:10:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3556 @ 0.00090651 = 3.2235 BTC [-] {33}

12:11:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3911 @ 0.00084589 = 3.3083 BTC [-] {3}

12:17:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1560 @ 0.00083952 = 1.3097 BTC [-] {8}

12:21:12 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/YXBSnrC.jpg

12:21:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMyYC9 )

12:23:12 davout: fluffypony: medium-kek, the previous one you posted was top-kek tho

12:23:16 davout: :D

12:23:28 fluffypony: glad you enjoyed it:)

12:38:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8220 @ 0.00043347 = 3.5631 BTC [+]

12:48:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00042881 = 17.5812 BTC [-] {2}

12:51:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4138 @ 0.00089999 = 3.7242 BTC [+]

13:08:04 jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u1wea/trezor_code_no_longer_lgplv3_but_now_more/ such shitstorm. wow.

13:08:07 assbot: Trezor Code no Longer LGPLv3, but now more restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BtEpj7 )

13:29:45 danielpbarron: !gettrust inBitweTrust

13:29:45 assbot: inBitweTrust is not registered in WoT.

13:33:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1614 @ 0.00087192 = 1.4073 BTC [-] {4}

13:33:39 jurov: We purposedly choose to change licence on commit after it was forked by chinese.

13:34:32 jurov: this...i'm at loss of words.

13:36:12 fluffypony: yeah

13:39:01 mats: https://soundcloud.com/nghtmre/tribe-nghtmre-remix

13:39:03 assbot: Theophilus London - Tribe (NGHTMRE Remix) by NGHTMRE - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1uEIDSB )

13:39:13 davout: jurov: pretty derpy heh

13:43:43 nubbins`: wow

13:43:46 nubbins`: trezor fail

13:44:12 mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot

13:45:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00042492 = 16.9756 BTC [-]

13:47:00 mats: " we're aware that this won't stop Chinese to copy our product, but this step gives a sign that we're not happy with it. This is more about a moral urge to their customers."

13:48:33 nubbins`: HAHAHA

13:49:08 nubbins`: "we know it won't solve the problem, but a huge FUCK YOU to our customers will discourage competitors from messing with us again"

13:49:47 nubbins`: do the chinese guys have a github?

13:51:54 mats: i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork

13:52:08 mats: on my mobile tho so i can't check

14:05:27 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2tvah1/slc_creepy_daycare_saga

14:05:32 assbot: SLC Creepy Daycare Saga : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErUigc )

14:12:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00042152 = 17.2823 BTC [-] {2}

14:18:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00086228 = 1.5521 BTC [-] {6}

14:27:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00042492 = 11.0054 BTC [+]

14:33:56 davout: mats: "i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork" <<< they seem to have the same problem in -dev

14:34:29 davout: !gettrust punkman

14:34:30 assbot: Trust relationship from user davout to user punkman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/davout/punkman | http://w.b-a.link/user/punkman

14:35:04 davout: punkman: you're greek amirite?

14:44:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00043051 = 42.9649 BTC [+] {3}

14:53:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00043209 = 23.4625 BTC [+] {2}

14:55:31 danielpbarron: https://imgur.com/o0qM7Sr

14:55:32 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15VsDFp )

14:56:18 davout: danielpbarron: you actually use bitcointalk trust?

14:56:53 danielpbarron: *I* don't use it, but I leave ratings in there sometimes for people who do use it

14:57:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00043211 = 5.1421 BTC [+]

15:01:04 davout: ic

15:01:24 davout: this fork-off thread is pretty lulzy

15:02:11 davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself

15:03:53 lobbes: lol >> "Then the alt gave me positive trust. I didn't ask for it!!"

15:12:13 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.

15:12:24 mircea_popescu: long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"

15:13:38 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. << definitely a power grab.

15:14:18 nubbins`: danielpbarron lel

15:14:55 mircea_popescu: lol @ dat trezor drama.

15:15:10 mircea_popescu: "so derps beat you to market ? that's ok, give them half a year they'll hang themselves."

15:17:50 mircea_popescu: mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot << in fairness, i think his involvement with this was more in the lines of typical forum scams (name lending - btw, always a bad idea)

15:18:40 mircea_popescu: davout: they seem to have the same problem in -dev ,<< top kek :D

15:19:25 mircea_popescu: davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself << there's an entire generation of fucktards who pretty much run on this software with little else.

15:19:40 mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. but they do so expect.

15:21:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/qntra-net-a-toca-do-coelho/ check out teh tits.

15:21:03 assbot: Qntra.net: a toca do coelho | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1yQBlQN )

15:21:48 mircea_popescu: imagine this shit, i can actually read portuguese straight up!

15:21:53 mircea_popescu: will wonders never cease.

15:22:21 mircea_popescu: "Nos prim?rdios, minha fonte principal de not?cias sobre Bitcoin era o Bitcointalk Forum. Mas eu cansei de l?." << first off, my principal source of news on bitcoin was teh tardstalk forum. i got sick of it.

15:24:40 lobbes: mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. << gubment teat, of course

15:25:16 mircea_popescu: then the discussions re meatpacking yest. "why are landlords slumming them up ?" "because they're basically sheep ?"

15:26:45 thestringpuller: south parkifying names: Eloqua becomes Elequeef

15:27:16 mircea_popescu: eloqua ?!

15:27:51 mircea_popescu: shit, coelho means rabbit ?! omfg. WILL WONDERS!

15:28:09 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cazalla im calling you j. coelho henceforth!

15:28:09 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:29:17 thestringpuller: He should raise a rabbit named Bugs.

15:30:33 mircea_popescu: and a cockroach named goat ?

15:32:35 thestringpuller: El Gringo Pussygatto

15:33:40 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli actually iirc assbot is not a gribble fork. gribble is supybot, and i dun think kakobreklaa pythons much. i dun actually recall what it was derived from tho.

15:33:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:35:42 mircea_popescu: that said, http://supybook.fealdia.org/devel/ is a pretty awesome way to start your own irc bot.

15:35:44 assbot: Supybook ... ( http://bit.ly/1yQE3Wr )

15:39:31 thestringpuller: "I wrote Facebook in the course of a few weeks," said Mark Zuckerberg. The site now "worth" billions, concludes socialisms last stand against its inevitable erosion from humanity.

15:40:02 mircea_popescu: i guess scratch lottery is the way to beat zuck.

15:40:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00043275 = 11.6193 BTC [+] {2}

15:40:52 thestringpuller: Except when someone who doesn't deserve money wins, and then you find them in a ditch somewhere with 5 needles in there arm and a crack pipe in their mouth.

15:40:59 mircea_popescu: !rated felipelalli

15:40:59 assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..

15:41:00 thestringpuller: their*

15:41:07 mircea_popescu: !unrate felipelalli

15:41:07 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/cf639fddb82ed65e

15:41:28 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.felipelalli:811fb8713831e0da1b08ff8b05f3bc76531e2d3f6864f7a733bbc08409566d52

15:41:28 assbot: Successfully unrated felipelalli

15:41:40 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot felipelalli

15:41:40 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli

15:42:53 mircea_popescu: hory shit i like assbot. curl http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli an' there you go.

15:42:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yQFjc6 )

15:43:01 mircea_popescu: who knew the web SUCKED

15:43:20 mircea_popescu: at least before getting a fucking alternative up and running. like the "white" walls that are just about puke gray.

15:43:33 mircea_popescu: you won't know until someone brings some white stuff indoors.

15:46:55 thestringpuller: aka the GE Reveal marketing campaign :P

15:50:40 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/

15:50:48 asciilifeform: 179089

15:51:31 asciilifeform: 9 oomkills over the night.

15:52:05 mircea_popescu: slowed down huh.

15:52:22 nubbins`: !search hitler

15:52:23 assbot: 218 results for 'hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hitler

15:52:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42359 @ 0.00043441 = 18.4012 BTC [+] {2}

15:52:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the kills take longer and longer to recover from as the thing gets fatter

15:53:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured.

15:54:04 asciilifeform: trezor news << For the love of god, Montrezor!

15:54:11 mircea_popescu: seems so huh.

15:54:18 mircea_popescu: well, kinda why we run things, find out.

15:54:50 asciilifeform: and of course zimmerman's turdphone or whatever it was called, will carry on 'as if nothing happened'

15:54:51 thestringpuller: !s lizard hitler

15:54:52 assbot: 38 results for 'lizard hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lizard+hitler

15:56:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50994 @ 0.00043971 = 22.4226 BTC [+] {2}

15:58:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now it's the best heuristic.

15:58:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1716 @ 0.00082999 = 1.4243 BTC [+] {3}

15:58:47 mircea_popescu: you can distinguish the usg agents from the random muppet by this simple pretense : once gavin's ideas are crushed in the open, does he continue as if nothing happened ?

15:58:54 mircea_popescu: if so, then he's with souflakis.

15:59:17 mircea_popescu: "statal continuity" we could call it.

16:02:34 mircea_popescu: al gore, after being a total muppet, did he go commit sepukku quietly somewhere ? nope, still there, still doing substantiall the same thing. romney, after his beyond ludicrous failure with his "super duper website' thigee, did he quit ? nope... still there.

16:02:42 mircea_popescu: heck, his wiki page does not even mention it.

16:03:11 mircea_popescu: 27k words, no mention of "website", no mention of "software", wikipedia relevant as ever.

16:03:31 mircea_popescu: all that article needed was a thick red "Idiot who was going to make the first best and greatest election website. He failed."

16:03:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5457 @ 0.00043928 = 2.3972 BTC [-]

16:04:24 mircea_popescu: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/president/2012/12/23/the-story-behind-mitt-romney-loss-the-presidential-campaign-president-obama/2QWkUB9pJgVIi1mAcIhQjL/story.html

16:04:25 assbot: The story behind Mitt Romney’s loss in the presidential campaign to President Obama - News Politics President - Boston.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BA1L9a )

16:04:40 mircea_popescu: by next year it's going to be completely gone, and the muppets ready to be sent against a wall again.

16:10:05 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c4533 i lolled.

16:10:06 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4388.36 B (80%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 4`868 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1yQKFEb )

16:12:07 mircea_popescu: "Like so many of you, Paul and I have left everything on the field. We have given our all to this campaign. I so wish that I had been able to fulfill your hopes to lead this country in a different direction, but the nation chose another leader."

16:12:30 mircea_popescu: "and i'm going to take two weeks of and carry on regardless, because the "all" on the field was really nothing at all."

16:16:40 davout: asciilifeform: "the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured." <<< doesn't the whole thing work that way because you can't request peers to give you blocks matching a certain height in their chain?

16:20:11 nubbins`: y'know, yes could totally still win

16:20:36 nubbins`: btc just needs to be at $7k 30-day avg by mid-march

16:20:52 *: nubbins` searches for usd wallet

16:22:27 mike_c: you mean $700.

16:24:39 mats: https://archive.org/details/shmoocon-2015-videos-playlist

16:24:41 assbot: Shmoocon 2015 Videos: Playlist Version : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1BA42RJ )

16:26:11 mats: best one is prob #40: james forshaw's winders sandbox paradox

16:30:21 nubbins`: i can has math

16:30:40 nubbins`: i do indeed

16:36:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` moar like 7-800

16:37:50 mircea_popescu: starting in a coupla weeks or so.

16:39:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, if i end up winning that thing it'll make a pretty great story. enough for an autobiography at any rate.

16:39:38 mircea_popescu: "how i challenged buffett and won millions in the process"

16:42:51 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 217160.00? 314.59764223

16:42:51 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

16:42:55 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 217160.00 / 314.59764223

16:42:55 gribble: 690.278536294

16:43:01 mircea_popescu: it dropped, apparently.

16:45:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00043444 = 5.4522 BTC [-]

16:46:31 thestringpuller: I wouldn't be surprised if the price shot up to 700 for one day.

16:46:36 thestringpuller: Seen crazier things.

16:47:19 thestringpuller: nubbins`: petenineteen.tumblr.com

16:47:21 mircea_popescu: tis bitcoin.

16:50:03 mats: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NBG up 12% since opening o_o

16:50:05 assbot: NBG: Summary for Natl Bk Greece American Deposit- Yahoo! Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1BA72Oc )

16:52:53 TomServo: http://www.dailyfx.com/crude-oil Brent & WTI diverging?

16:52:55 assbot: Crude Oil Prices - Live Oil Price Chart, Price Forecast & Analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/15Zhp3F )

16:55:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91050 @ 0.00044127 = 40.1776 BTC [+] {4}

17:14:15 Apocalyptic: mats, still lower than it was on Tuesday

17:16:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54713 @ 0.00043708 = 23.914 BTC [-] {2}

17:18:37 kakobrekla: yes assbot is no fork. its written in worlds most hated language.

17:19:29 danielpbarron: !gettrust SatoshiLabs

17:19:29 assbot: SatoshiLabs is not registered in WoT.

17:19:54 kakobrekla: anyway, back to http://shrani.si/f/33/wO/30PS2j8e/imag0572.jpg

17:19:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15ZqBF3 )

17:27:26 mike_c: idk what the hell that is, but it looks cool.

17:28:30 ben_vulpes: another thousand plus line day

17:28:53 ben_vulpes: y'all are killin me

17:29:00 ben_vulpes: !unrate felipelalli

17:29:00 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/354c0a84940921b1

17:29:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.0004287 = 28.68 BTC [-] {2}

17:29:28 ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.felipelalli:ba53d39c9a996d90a8e2747bcde7b7549369b170b1d50edd388b8f8788f71ddb

17:29:29 assbot: Successfully unrated felipelalli

17:29:52 ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot felipelalli

17:29:52 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli

17:30:38 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell felipelalli no hard feelings

17:30:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:33:23 nubbins`: thestringpuller fun

17:34:40 kakobrekla: the hell that is < ill tell if noone figures it out

17:36:30 danielpbarron: php

17:37:03 trinque: dunno could be rubby

17:37:53 TomServo: kakobrekla: is it emitting light or is that a reflection?

17:38:05 kakobrekla: reflection

17:39:44 TomServo: hmph, one of those 'air motion' tweeters?

17:41:48 TomServo: er, ribbon tweeter is the common name?

17:42:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96991 @ 0.0004412 = 42.7924 BTC [+] {4}

17:46:45 kakobrekla: yeah, almost 100 years old invention - a ribbon twitter, in open baffle

17:47:57 kakobrekla: in a normal speaker you have a coil suspended in magnetic field and that moves the (small) cone with terrible side effects

17:48:28 kakobrekla: here alu foil is suspended in a magnetic field and acts as a coil with huge surface

17:48:56 kakobrekla: and very little mass.

17:49:14 TomServo: pretty cool. Is that a custom box?

17:51:41 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop. << tablets, "smartphones"

17:54:09 ben_vulpes: <davout> asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind << me too, me too.

17:55:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64908 @ 0.00042457 = 27.558 BTC [-] {3}

17:56:17 davout: ben_vulpes: to be completely fair there was an osx-specific bug that got my db corrupted

17:56:52 ben_vulpes: blech

17:57:12 kakobrekla: TomServo these were custom developed for me by a friend who runs a high end speakers co.

18:07:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00044448 = 17.6459 BTC [+] {3}

18:11:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2235 @ 0.00084006 = 1.8775 BTC [-] {7}

18:23:23 mats: Apocalyptic: ya. i bought at close yesterday. its up 18% nao

18:26:08 mod6: asciilifeform: hey, does your build script build the R.I. on obsd? (haven't had a chance to try it yet)

18:28:47 mod6: oh nm, i need to learn to read. thought it said OPENBSD not OPENSSL

18:47:09 asciilifeform: 180221

18:48:26 mod6: nice

18:48:34 mod6: how many times has it died?

18:49:10 asciilifeform: 15 or so.

18:49:39 mod6: ah, yikes. we'll keep working on the map of orphans problem into next month for sure.

18:50:08 mod6: I appreciate any help/guidence you can provide in that direction.

18:50:25 asciilifeform: mike_c might have the answer already.

18:50:48 mod6: well, he was just looking at how they limit to 750 in forward versions right?

18:53:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996938

18:53:24 assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 05:26:57; mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.

18:53:36 mod6: oh yeah cool.

18:59:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00042281 = 14.439 BTC [-]

19:01:25 asciilifeform: openbsd << it should build anywhere the dependencies build, theoretically. nothing linux-specific in there, much less distro-specific.

19:07:59 mod6: we want to get this thing running on openbsd, but in the 5 minutes i looked at it, iirc there was a database version change and maybe another thing or two that needed to change. can't recall off the bat.

19:08:20 mod6: but yeah, that's one of the goals for this year is to get it going there.

19:13:35 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli You can self voice again

19:23:33 mats: #b-a so fickle

19:25:50 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

19:25:51 gribble: 321731021.91

19:25:58 TheNewDeal: hmph

19:26:05 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

19:26:09 gribble: Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819

19:26:37 TheNewDeal: ;;calc 295*1.15

19:26:37 gribble: 339.25

19:27:02 trinque: I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment

19:28:12 trinque: in terms of a programming environment, SQL dominates this "wad of json" business

19:28:37 trinque: talked with ben_vulpes last night about the deedbot "publisher" service, which does the blockchain timestamping

19:28:46 mike_c: asciilifeform: the answer was it ran all night and didn't do a damn thing.

19:29:02 trinque: what we came up with was just rolling forward from the transaction which funded deedbot first and finding spendable outputs each time, then using one to stamp

19:29:07 asciilifeform: mike_c: not one block ?

19:29:26 mike_c: no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change

19:29:35 trinque: seems like with a well-thought-out schema this is a trivial sql query

19:29:35 mike_c: so i gotta dig in more.

19:31:24 trinque: you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field

19:33:19 trinque: whose fault is the btc json thing? nosql people?

19:35:34 asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.0/src/main.cpp#L3688 << what they did.

19:35:37 assbot: bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.9.0 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1606R4a )

19:37:04 trinque: insert into raw_transaction (...) values (...); << and fuck the jsonrpc

19:38:50 TheNewDeal: copyright The Bitcoin Developers. fml

19:39:38 ben_vulpes: what is copyright?

19:39:54 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thanks for the find

19:39:55 mod6: at the top of that file

19:40:04 TheNewDeal: apparently a line of text at the top of a file

19:40:08 mod6: i think all of 'em say that now

19:40:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00041933 = 10.63 BTC [-] {2}

19:40:21 ben_vulpes: mod6: more asking "what does copyright even mean in a world of bitcoin?"

19:40:31 ben_vulpes: i don't have a contract with those people, i'm not bound by any line of text they write.

19:40:32 mod6: The Bitcoin Developers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HPower Rangers

19:40:55 mod6: ben_vulpes: ah.

19:40:58 ben_vulpes: <mike_c> no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change << my experience is in line with asciilifeform's: once wedged, it never unwedges

19:41:43 mod6: well, if he removed the entire orphanMap, then it if the chain split off and became the new best chain, it can't move forward.

19:42:10 mod6: not sure what the specifics were there.

19:42:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00042693 = 11.271 BTC [+] {2}

19:42:24 mike_c: if the chain split off where, at 144k?

19:43:40 mod6: well, for instance if you received the blocks out of order, and then you got the child of 144,000 a few after some others, then it can't continue

19:44:39 danielpbarron: is it seriously block # 144k? or is that approx?

19:44:57 mike_c: approx.

19:46:37 mike_c: well i just blew it away and restarted it. we'll see how it does.

19:46:45 mod6: ok cool.

19:46:54 mod6: thanks for the help mike_c!

19:47:47 mike_c: my pleasure.

19:47:51 mod6: we appreciate all the help that the attendants of #b-a have given to the foundation & the effort to decruft the R.I.

19:48:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00042754 = 7.0972 BTC [+]

19:51:51 TheNewDeal: RI?

19:52:03 mod6: Reference Implementation

19:52:06 TheNewDeal: anduck eh

19:55:46 TomServo: !up jumae

19:58:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.0009249 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {6}

19:59:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00092493 = 2.3123 BTC [+]

20:06:01 cazalla: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this. <<< not reary, i don't think anyone made a big deal of it, but i'm thankful BingoBoingo and danielpbarron were able to point out this guy's lies same day i left for holidays

20:07:37 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Blazedout419.-5:e40b0a47992f98d407f734b54afc958da19f8e6e71a05a105ca0a0603431534b

20:07:37 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Blazedout419 from -1 to -5 with note: maliciously stupid https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846683.msg9448130#msg9448130

20:07:48 danielpbarron: ;;later tell Blazedout419 wtf dude ^

20:07:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:10:05 cazalla: <mircea_popescu> im calling you j. coelho henceforth! <<< and when my son has kids, i can be.. wello coelho

20:13:14 thestringpuller: :P

20:13:40 thestringpuller: !rated danielpbarron

20:13:40 assbot: You have not rated danielpbarron.

20:13:42 cazalla: miss me thestringpuller? ya lack of emails suggest not :\

20:13:51 thestringpuller: ;;rated danilepbarron

20:13:51 gribble: You have not yet rated user danilepbarron

20:13:59 thestringpuller: ;;rated danielpbarron

20:14:00 gribble: You rated user danielpbarron on Tue Jan 20 11:03:44 2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: crypto-priest.

20:14:13 thestringpuller: ugh 2 wots :P

20:14:29 thestringpuller: cazalla how do you feel about iggy azalea? :D

20:15:04 cazalla: dunno, thestringpuller only know that one song of hers but then only because weird al did it first

20:18:27 TheNewDeal: south park did a pretty good episode with iggy, lorde, and nicki minaj

20:18:45 TheNewDeal: lorde was played by one of the main character's fathers, dressed in drag

20:19:17 trinque: yayaya...

20:19:32 trinque: I actually thought lorde was a made-up singer until recently

20:19:44 cazalla: trinque, yeah that is what i thought after that episode

20:19:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00041725 = 25.6192 BTC [-] {2}

20:39:01 davout: trinque: "you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field" <<< it's a bit more complicated than that

20:39:21 davout: but an sql datastore would be really cool indeed

20:40:24 trinque: davout: what did I overlook? that was assuming everything that got stored in sql was validated by say an insert trigger

20:40:51 davout: not all transactions are a transaction to a pubkey

20:41:14 davout: some implementations will let you store the DB in a SQL store iirc

20:41:41 trinque: davout: right, but the balance would be "that which has been spent to me, and not subsequently spent elsewhere"

20:41:49 davout: sure

20:42:26 davout: https://github.com/lian/bitcoin-ruby/blob/master/doc/STORAGE.rdoc <-- this would let you use a SQL backend

20:42:27 assbot: bitcoin-ruby/STORAGE.rdoc at master · lian/bitcoin-ruby · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3CIgJ )

20:43:38 trinque: ben_vulpes tells me there's one that pulls it into postgresql too

20:44:25 trinque: davout: what kind of transaction does not involve a pubkey?

20:44:36 davout: trinque: p2sh for example

20:44:41 trinque: and would that be a concern of something trying to ascertain a balance

20:45:04 fluffypony: "balance" is subjective

20:45:06 davout: not really if you only use normal addresses

20:45:26 fluffypony: if you receive a transaction with an NLOCKTIME in the future is that part of your balance or the sender's balance?

20:45:40 davout: there's also multisig, that you can do with the dedicated script, or in the p2sh fashion

20:45:58 davout: fluffypony: balance(t) <-- fixed :-)

20:46:01 trinque: fluffypony: right, the subject being this bot, in this instance

20:46:14 trinque: so I can constrain the domain of things I care about

20:46:28 trinque: simple funding transactions, simple "publishing" transactions

20:47:10 davout: trinque: do you intend to run a full client for deedbot's needs?

20:47:23 trinque: using btcd at the moment

20:47:31 davout: i don't know shit about this one

20:47:55 trinque: has the same wad 'o json api

20:48:07 davout: the way i'd do it is simply keep an unspent out around

20:48:51 davout: when i have the addy to spend to for notarization, create a raw tx spending from that, and sending all the change back to the original address

20:49:24 davout: that way you keep one private key around, and you just need to track one txid that you reuse in the next tx

20:51:58 trinque: davout: I'm hesitant to keep my own count of btc when the correct value can be pulled from the node

20:52:42 trinque: say I send a transaction, get one confirmation, then the thing still ended up on the losing fork

20:52:44 TheNewDeal: davout , isn't p2sh nonstandard ?

20:53:11 davout: hrm yeah, i forgot about keeping count of the balance, for that you should be able to use the gettxout call though

20:53:34 davout: TheNewDeal: i don't think so

20:53:36 trinque: yup, that's where the "roll forward from first funding transaction's block" comes from

20:53:55 trinque: and then back to my rant re: holy shit this is a trivial query with well-structured data

20:54:12 trinque: anyhow that's what I'll do for now

20:55:15 davout: TheNewDeal: blockchain.info failed miserably at detecting them for a while, don't know if that's changed since, but afaik it's perfectly standard, and nodes will relay them

20:55:35 trinque: since the thing publishes once an hour, rolling forward doesn't seem that big a deal

20:56:11 trinque: each time it's funded the starting point will advance, too

20:58:38 davout: trinque: so you keep the txid around, query your client for the txout and work from there? not very clear on what you mean

21:01:17 jurov: mod6 i like the banner. not sure we're all necessarily cryptoanarchists, tho

21:01:39 jurov: there it alt least one cryptokyriarch

21:01:45 jurov: *at

21:02:19 jurov: lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy

21:02:26 trinque: davout: we did not find a way to just "get all utxos" from btcd, could've overlooked something obvious. barring that, I can roll forward from the block where it was first funded and just chew on all the transactions from there forward looking for relevant ones

21:03:11 ben_vulpes: yeah i've lost the btcd documentation

21:03:23 davout: trinque: if you import a private key into bitcoind you'll get the 'listunspent' call, don't know about btcd

21:03:40 trinque: davout: right, if I use a wallet, wallet does everything for me

21:03:45 davout: but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key

21:03:48 trinque: btcd has btcwallet, seems overkill

21:03:49 mod6: jurov: gotcha.

21:04:08 mod6: think we should switch to the black & hacker-green motif?

21:04:53 ben_vulpes: yeah looks great :D

21:05:05 davout: if you're not using the wallet you just know the first out you spend, and you know the next one from the raw tx you create, you still need 'gettxout' to not have to follow the balance around

21:05:07 ben_vulpes: mod6: ^^

21:05:09 jurov: nah. i'm for Comic Sans on pink backgeroubd

21:05:14 jurov: *background

21:05:19 davout: anyway, have fun!

21:05:21 mats: black and green is unreadable

21:05:25 ben_vulpes: <davout> but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key << wat

21:05:29 ben_vulpes: mats: fuck reading

21:05:54 mats: think of the poor souls that are red green colorblind

21:06:06 davout: ben_vulpes: bitcoind doesn't provide any way to retrieve a list of unspent outs for a key that's not in your wallet

21:06:16 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: anyway, back to ganja << FIFY

21:06:37 ben_vulpes: https://blog.conformal.com/bip0064-not-yet/

21:06:38 assbot: BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3HKtR )

21:06:40 kakobrekla: wut?

21:06:48 ben_vulpes: davout yeah i gotcha

21:06:53 TheNewDeal: he's saying your on the weed

21:07:02 TheNewDeal: you*re

21:07:07 ben_vulpes: davout shouldn't even be a concern for a "node"

21:07:18 davout: sure

21:07:36 ben_vulpes: f'n wallets

21:07:39 ben_vulpes: f'n utxos

21:07:42 ben_vulpes: f'n pruning

21:07:59 ben_vulpes: it's malice! all malice, i tell you.

21:08:07 mircea_popescu: you fighting the malice mice /

21:08:44 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_udqEp_YR4#t=23

21:08:46 assbot: Whack-A-Kitty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3I3Vw )

21:09:02 mircea_popescu: trinque: I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment <<< wha happened to deedbot ?

21:09:16 trinque: mircea_popescu: 'tis what caused it; not working on the sqlite thing atm tho

21:09:23 mircea_popescu: aha

21:10:13 trinque: this "oh hey we added getutxos" thing... no!

21:10:26 trinque: just expose the damn data; let the thing using the data decide what questions are interesting

21:10:42 mircea_popescu: quite.

21:11:08 mircea_popescu: but if you let people off the street do system design you get systems designed by people off the street.

21:11:15 trinque: mhm

21:11:22 kakobrekla: well good music is like a drug if thats what you meant

21:11:24 mircea_popescu: and a lot of political entrenchment and noncontent sprouting for pages.

21:11:50 mircea_popescu: the woodcollector guy spending weeks producing 10s of k's of words a day on the topic of nothing at all being the prototype for how that works.

21:11:56 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah.

21:12:09 trinque: mircea_popescu: open source is dead to me

21:13:11 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol what's wello ?

21:13:45 cazalla: it's spanish for grandfather isn't it?

21:14:00 mircea_popescu: abuelo

21:14:11 mircea_popescu: close enough i guess

21:14:53 cazalla: maybe the spanish kid 2 doors down as a kid was not spanish then, nfi, that is what he use to call his grandfather

21:15:26 mircea_popescu: "btcd won?t be supporting the command because it is completely unauthenticated and insecure as pointed out numerous times on the initial pull request. In response to these concerns, a section entitled ?Authentication? was added to the BIP which attempts to address the concerns by simply calling them out along with some potential modifications that could happen in the future. However, we prefer to wait until the t

21:15:26 mircea_popescu: hings necessary to implement this functionality in a secure fashion are already in place, which Bitcoin Core should have done as well."

21:15:35 mircea_popescu: "The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core."

21:15:38 mircea_popescu: will wonders never cease.

21:15:45 mircea_popescu: just take that idiot out and shoot him already.

21:16:34 mircea_popescu: in case it's not clear, no anything authored by hearn may ever be merged into anything. i don't care what it is. the dog learns to shine shoes or do carpentry or whatever, but he does not work wioth computers anymore.

21:16:43 mircea_popescu: and im negrating anyone ever hiring him, on general principle.

21:18:10 mircea_popescu: davout, fluffypony < i don't think bitcoin reference supports either nlocktime or multisig.

21:18:16 mircea_popescu: both being spuriously stupid ideas anyway.

21:20:19 mircea_popescu: jurov: lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy << or Cryptokickyourbuttocracy why not.

21:21:20 mircea_popescu: mod6 where's this banner anyway ?

21:24:04 mod6: thebitcoin.foundation

21:24:13 mod6: i just swapped it like 2 seconds ago

21:24:47 mod6: works pretty decent with lynx

21:26:16 mod6: <3 | h8

21:26:20 mod6: ?

21:26:33 pete_dushenski: nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block.

21:26:39 pete_dushenski: ^for those like me who didn't know

21:27:05 pete_dushenski: ya, seems spurious

21:27:28 davout: mircea_popescu: actually both are supported

21:27:37 davout: multisig in two different ways

21:28:00 davout: and nlocktime only in the original way, not in gmaxwell's/todd's way

21:32:15 jurov: lol @ that time discussion

21:33:03 jurov: in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude

21:33:51 jurov: no need to invent the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles

21:35:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24501 @ 0.00042378 = 10.383 BTC [+]

21:37:11 jurov: mhm, did anyone already suggest time synchronization by actually tracking heavenly bodies by outdoor camera?

21:37:36 trinque: jurov: heh, I think decimation did

21:38:24 jurov: maybe but it was understood only in philosohical sense

21:38:43 jurov: while it's in fact actionable idea

21:38:46 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#994906

21:38:46 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:23:30; *: decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time

21:40:07 *: jurov imagines going asking for roof access and number of cloudless days around DC's

21:43:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00041926 = 25.3652 BTC [-]

21:48:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1286 @ 0.00092397 = 1.1882 BTC [+] {4}

21:48:24 fluffypony: http://www.redditblog.com/2015/01/reddits-first-transparency-report.html

21:48:25 assbot: blog.reddit -- what's new on reddit: reddit’s first transparency report ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcX4BP )

21:49:36 asciilifeform: nlocktime >> obligatory >> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=314

21:49:38 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcXgRJ )

21:49:43 ben_vulpes: also

21:49:46 ben_vulpes: fuck an nlocktime

21:53:08 asciilifeform: 'multisig' is yet another chumpatronic engineering structural element, just as nlocktime is (see link)

21:53:22 asciilifeform: ultimate purpose of which is usg escrow of coin.

21:55:13 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bashed quote is a clean cut, nicely done

21:56:03 asciilifeform: these two misfeatures are not accidental 'derperies' but have very specific, well-thought-out purpose.

21:59:01 ben_vulpes: i dislike them

21:59:16 ben_vulpes: cannot abide.

21:59:17 pete_dushenski: so off with its head!

22:02:04 asciilifeform: chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways

22:03:47 davout: why would they hang out in the mempool?

22:04:48 davout: utxo maybe, but mempool i dun see

22:06:08 punkman: I've seen nlocktime mentioned in various microtransaction derpage, needed to help fill those 20mb blocks

22:07:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00041888 = 24.295 BTC [-] {3}

22:08:00 jurov: asciilifeform: re: jet heaters: http://www.tratovestroje.wbs.cz/Prudove_rozmrazovace.html

22:08:01 assbot: Prúdové rozmrazovače | Traťové stroje ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dd0wwn )

22:14:04 punkman: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/alvaro-laiz-ninjas-gold-rush-in-mongolia/

22:14:06 assbot: Inside the Dangerous World of Amateur 'Ninja' Gold Miners | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dd1HM9 )

22:14:06 cazalla: bwahah https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles/status/560922573769170944 so much for redditcoin

22:14:07 assbot: I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable.

22:15:18 fluffypony: LOL

22:16:21 cazalla: i think it was only december that they announced their bitcoin killer reddit notes

22:17:41 fluffypony: under 4 months from hire to fire

22:17:44 punkman: is that the "moar javascript" guy?

22:17:51 fluffypony: ad went out beginning of August

22:18:04 fluffypony: and he had started by Oct 1st

22:18:10 asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/prosecutors-trace-13-4-million-bitcoins-silk-road-ulbrichts-laptop << mega-lol

22:18:16 davout: cazalla: lol

22:19:45 pete_dushenski: Yum calculated that the transferred coins were worth a total of $13.4 million.

22:19:45 pete_dushenski: “You mean direct, one-to-one transfers?” prosecutor Timothy Howard asked Yum.

22:19:45 pete_dushenski: “Yes, direct, one-to-one transfers,” Yum responded.

22:20:19 pete_dushenski: mano a mano!

22:21:30 pete_dushenski: Remarkably, that total trail of drug-tainted coins represents more than four times as many bitcoins from Silk Road Ulbricht’s laptop than have yet been found and seized in the Silk Road investigation. It’s still not clear from Yum’s testimony where the rest of them ended up.

22:22:11 pete_dushenski: Given the mind-twisting complexity of the bitcoin blockchain for an unschooled jury, the defense may yet have plenty of room to inject doubt into the government’s analysis.

22:22:28 pete_dushenski: i should sincerely hope so

22:22:33 trinque: I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved

22:22:54 pete_dushenski: ya that'd be pretty rich

22:23:45 davout: wtf is south park waiting for? so much material

22:25:46 pete_dushenski: that'd be funny if karpeles was behind ethereum too

22:26:24 pete_dushenski: http://cdn.oreillystatic.com/en/assets/1/event/130/Ethereum_%20the%20Programmable%20Blockchain%20and%20Decentralized%20Application%20Development%20Platform%20Presentation.pdf << for anyone interested in slides from vitalik's latest conference tawk

22:26:39 pete_dushenski: keep in mind that we're in late january and he promised, what, march delivery ?

22:26:52 pete_dushenski: tick tock vitalik

22:28:20 trinque: http://etherscripter.com/0-5-1/ << bahahaha

22:28:21 assbot: EtherScripter - Visual smart-contract builder for Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dd4c1a )

22:28:25 trinque: End-user programming tool!

22:30:24 davout: bitcoin's visual basic yo

22:30:28 trinque: these legos suck

22:30:59 davout: fair trade programmable money on top of the blockchain technology

22:31:19 davout: pre-order here, receive in two weeks(tm)

22:32:00 trinque: b-b-but the website has that cool graph animation!

22:32:43 trinque: they win; they did the standard 1) build Responsive! (TM) website layout with big image at the top 2) kickstarter or the like 3) cut and run

22:33:00 trinque: this is how web business is *done*

22:35:59 danielpbarron: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9BcZ2vK6 << notes on a possible redditnote qntra article

22:36:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dd5r0h )

22:36:29 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: If you want to write one up...

22:48:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00042442 = 29.0303 BTC [+] {2}

22:53:43 davout: https://twitter.com/Smelltastic/status/560859822208606209

22:53:47 assbot: Flabbergasted. Bulk of txns to Ulbricht's wallets weren't tumbled, can be traced directly to Silk Road. /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash

22:55:10 davout: "has anyone said "lolbricht" yet"

23:11:00 mircea_popescu: <jurov> in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude <

23:12:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42536 @ 0.00042357 = 18.017 BTC [-]

23:12:56 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways << in any case that unpleasant side effect.

23:13:40 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> under 4 months from hire to fire << progress.

23:14:30 mircea_popescu: <trinque> I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved << his being *completely* uninvolved is improbable on the face.

23:14:54 mircea_popescu: the bitcoin-derp community is very... how shall we put this politely...

23:15:12 mircea_popescu: incestuous.

23:15:31 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, here's what i got so far: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0XvvQ1Es | am I forgetting anything?

23:15:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dlucrv )

23:22:26 ben_vulpes: oh man if this kills reddit i'm going to pop a hernia laughing

23:30:22 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Looks good so far. Anything else you want to add?

23:31:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6456 @ 0.00042694 = 2.7563 BTC [+] {2}

23:31:22 danielpbarron: i mean i could ramble on about why reddit sucks or why altcoins suck, but that seems to be the meat of the story

23:32:40 danielpbarron: in the intrests of brevity, i'm ok with it as is

23:35:27 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

23:35:28 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.5, Best ask: 234.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 234.49, 24 hour volume: 26344.77687968, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 242.18, 24 hour vwap: 232.064793104

23:35:33 ben_vulpes: noice

23:35:39 ben_vulpes: i had people calling the bottom at 185

23:36:01 ben_vulpes: (which obviously never happened)

23:37:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97223 @ 0.00041636 = 40.4798 BTC [-] {5}

23:38:23 Naphex: https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles/status/560922573769170944

23:38:55 assbot: I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable.

23:38:55 Naphex: maybe he wanted to port all reddit to js :o

23:38:55 Naphex: "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable."

23:41:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ?

23:41:26 mircea_popescu: Naphex was in log earlier you know :D

23:46:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80534 @ 0.00043111 = 34.719 BTC [+] {3}

23:50:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50221 @ 0.00043333 = 21.7623 BTC [+] {3}

23:52:26 Naphex: xD

23:52:34 Naphex: i just lold, tought id share :D

23:56:52 mircea_popescu: heh, the gavin idiots. "The chart below illustrates the growth in the number of transactions per day along with Bitcoin's market cap1. There is a strong correlation between the two variables2. If the correlation continues to hold, it suggests that the 1 MB blocksize limit may also limit Bitcoin's future liquidity and adoption. 1I've plotted the number of transactions excluding popular addresses to remove the on-chain

23:56:52 mircea_popescu: gambling bubble of 2012/2013. This has only a minor effect on the 2014/2015 portion of the data."

23:57:09 mircea_popescu: so... a) correlation = causation ; b)i've doctored the data so correlation = the causation i wish to see.

23:57:18 mircea_popescu: this is like... the "global warming" consensus all over again.

23:58:11 mircea_popescu: "here's how we extrapolate data in the past to create a dataset which we arbitrarily call historical, on which we extrapolate a future. and here's how we've fixed it all to look a certain way. no matter that anything put through this mixer would look like a golf club, including most random distributions"

23:58:26 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Up!

23:58:50 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/reddit-drops-cryptocurrency-engineer/

23:59:33 mircea_popescu: really, usg : hire smarter people. i know that obama was wildly successful by promising a bunch of losers unprecedented financial incentives to voice for him, and i know that for that reason it WORKS for him to do all sorts of patently idiotic shit, like most recently claiming that inviting the president of israel "breaks protocol" because it could be seen as supporting a side in the coming elections, while his staff i

23:59:33 mircea_popescu: s actually in israel working for the other side in those same elections, not to mention the mess in the ukraine.

23:59:57 mircea_popescu: i know this stupid shit works for the low information voters that constitute the libertard america. figure it out : these people do not actually matter.