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Transcript for 29-03-2014, 1661 lines:

00:00:16 dexX7: why do you think this was smart?

00:00:42 skinnkavaj: So he would not get into trouble and can still operate SD

00:01:55 skinnkavaj: I believe we will see more fake sells since it's the best option to clear your name, while still holding on to that money making machine

00:02:09 skinnkavaj: Which is your baby, as an entreprenour

00:03:09 mircea_popescu: this is pretty much nonsense.

00:03:18 mircea_popescu: why not enjoy the credibility of a well run asset ?

00:03:36 skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Because of legal problems obviously

00:04:01 mircea_popescu: i dun see what you're talking about, "obviously".

00:04:02 benkay: ;;tslb

00:04:05 gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 27 seconds

00:04:43 skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: So you think SD is a legal service?

00:05:04 benkay: legal where, skinnkavaj ?

00:05:12 skinnkavaj: In any country of the world

00:05:26 mircea_popescu: dude seriously, stop.

00:05:36 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a "legal service". there's illegal stuff, and then there's the rest.

00:05:41 mircea_popescu: there's no "any country in the world"

00:05:50 mircea_popescu: you don't even know how many countries there are, in the world.

00:06:06 skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Is this your strategy in the future?

00:06:14 skinnkavaj: I wish you good luck, I honestly do

00:06:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249972 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}

00:06:23 mircea_popescu: yes, my strategy in the future is to continue to point out obvious nonsense coming my way.

00:06:50 mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe it somehow ends up cutting down on the general nonsense

00:09:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16349 @ 0.00094303 = 15.4176 BTC [-]

00:09:45 skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: We live in a corrupt world you should know that

00:10:06 mircea_popescu: so ?

00:10:37 skinnkavaj: SD is not legal and neither is MPOE, but I love the fact that you are not agreeing with me on that

00:10:53 mircea_popescu: eh your face is not legal.

00:11:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00094107 = 17.2216 BTC [-] {3}

00:11:54 CheckDavid: Lulz

00:12:19 skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/6219520-the-50th-law

00:12:25 CheckDavid: I heard mpoe was the most legal of exchanges

00:13:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1750 @ 0.0005 = 0.875 BTC [-]

00:16:15 TestingUnoDosTre: mircea , is bitbet.us legal in every planet in the Milky Way?

00:17:18 skinnkavaj: TestingUnoDosTre: Leave him alone now I think he understood my point and I like his intentions

00:17:30 dexX7: intentions?

00:17:59 TestingUnoDosTre: his evil intergalactic intentions

00:20:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 85 @ 0.06926507 = 5.8875 BTC [-] {13}

00:20:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00093954 = 7.7512 BTC [-]

00:22:22 mircea_popescu: the most legal illegal exchange run by an asshole with good intentions

00:22:39 CheckDavid: Lol

00:22:40 mircea_popescu: someone write the book so 50cent can make a song about the movie based on it

00:22:49 mircea_popescu: then we can quote its wisdom

00:23:23 CheckDavid: How illegal is mpoe?

00:23:30 dexX7: let's ipo the idea

00:23:53 mircea_popescu: s'il egal.

00:25:41 benkay: ill egalitarian.

00:26:39 skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Try listen for one minute in a clip from this audio book http://open.spotify.com/track/1ydFN3EK0bhqlzjT1cRKxR

00:26:58 benkay: o lookit that spotify lets you sign up with email again

00:27:10 benkay: guess zuck won that one in the short term and lost it in the long term

00:27:30 benkay: http://pagesix.com/2011/10/14/facebook-feud-outside-club/

00:27:31 ozbot: Facebook feud outside club | Page Six

00:32:10 mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj learning to read spoiled me for audiobooks.

00:32:30 TestingUnoDosTre: is that seriously a 50 cent produced audiobook?

00:36:03 mircea_popescu: "Go search deep for code (for sale) for online gambling sites.

00:36:03 mircea_popescu: The most expensive code packages for gambling sites have the most deceit and advanced algorithms to rip-off the gambling fool and protect the investment of the operator. The very best ones you'll never find for sale, however. These algorithms always sit on top of whatever "edge" the operator decides to take (the "edge" is the part of the tilted table some sites even openly advertise nowadays).

00:36:20 mircea_popescu: there's nothing better than a good conspiraci theorist.

00:37:19 mircea_popescu: bitcoin invented fair gambling, bitbet is a parimutuel implementation, anon forum derp comes to harp about how deceitful "sites" are.

00:37:53 mircea_popescu: i imagine these people followed hercules around augeas' stables complaining about all the mess he's making.

00:39:58 dirt_: amazing

00:39:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:41:58 Mats_cd03: hue hue

00:43:37 ThickAsThieves: "Edmund Moy, the former director of the U.S. Mint who’s become an outspoken proponent of digital currencies, saw a mix of good and bad as well, but ultimately he made two cogent points: first, that this is is a rule, not a law, and there’s a difference, and, two, that it can be changed as circumstances warrant."

00:43:50 ThickAsThieves: what is the exact difference between an IRS rule and a law?

00:46:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that i get to laugh at you poor sods moar ?

00:46:30 ThickAsThieves: but but

00:46:32 ThickAsThieves: halp

00:46:41 mircea_popescu: lol

00:46:58 mircea_popescu: a rule you can have overturned by arguing more things before the supreme court than if it were a law.

00:47:08 mircea_popescu: because congress does have legislative discretion, but agencies do not.

00:47:24 mircea_popescu: we're talking a decade and a hundred million in either case.

00:47:33 mike_c: most of the IRS code is law, but not the btc part. http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/code.htm

00:47:39 ThickAsThieves: so you must break the rule to even attempt to learn it's definition?

00:47:47 ThickAsThieves: its*

00:47:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00093954 = 8.268 BTC [-]

00:48:10 ThickAsThieves: or at least "test" its definition

00:48:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, you don't have to break it to sue.

00:48:51 ThickAsThieves: is there some argument to what is allowed to be taxed at all, and bitcoin not fitting that spectrum?

00:49:39 mircea_popescu: no, because the us does not recognise allodial title.

00:49:43 mircea_popescu: anything can be taxed.

00:49:48 ThickAsThieves: like isnt there an underlying premise for taxes being that, for example you cant profit from a shipping company without roads, and taxes pay for roads, therefor you must pay them

00:50:06 mircea_popescu: no.

00:50:10 ThickAsThieves: the USG neither provides for, nor maintains, nor creates bitocin

00:50:15 ThickAsThieves: something seems off

00:50:22 mircea_popescu: that bullcrap is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

00:50:31 ThickAsThieves: ok

00:51:04 mircea_popescu: it's roughly the coating in the pill, various people sprout it because you know, the slavegirl that aesthetically loves her collar isn't really as much of a slavegirl or something.

00:51:09 ThickAsThieves: do you have an argument against the IRS rulings or you think they are sensible?

00:51:16 mircea_popescu: but taxes have exactly zero to do with roads.

00:51:42 mircea_popescu: the irs can tax anything the fuck it pleases. the reaction to taxation you dislike is leaving the jurisdiction, not arguing the point.

00:52:03 mike_c: even then you can't escape. you have to give up citizenship.

00:52:11 mircea_popescu: so give up citizenship.

00:52:45 mircea_popescu: (course iirc, you're not allowed to do so unless you prove it's specifically NOT because you dislike the taxation system. quite the racked your owner got going there.)

00:53:02 mike_c: and there's a fee :)

00:53:07 ThickAsThieves: heh

00:53:16 ThickAsThieves: surely a small price to pay

00:53:29 mircea_popescu: you can't imagine, on a more personal note, how fucking outlandish this is to me.

00:53:45 ThickAsThieves: do tell

00:54:03 mircea_popescu: if someone told me twenty years ago i will live to honestly pity the fate of the poor us citizens i'd have laughed for the rest of the day.

00:54:32 mircea_popescu: and i'm not even fucking old! i'm sitting here and im thinking... holy shit now THAT must suck. what a curse to be born with.

00:55:25 mike_c: could be worse. china is worse.

00:55:36 mircea_popescu: i do not believe china is currently worse.

00:55:40 mircea_popescu: korea is worse.

00:56:03 mike_c: foxconn has more suicides than jpmorgan.

00:56:08 Duffer1: the breathable parts of china sound nice

00:57:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+]

00:58:05 dexX7: foxconn has about 1000x more worker than jpmorgan

00:58:30 benkay: girl is out of town for the weekend. this means.....

00:58:33 benkay: BREAKFAST FOR DINNER

00:58:34 benkay: http://imgur.com/vTtb2mf

00:58:35 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

00:58:42 Mats_cd03: i was in guangzhou a year ago

00:59:09 dexX7: did you like it?

00:59:10 benkay: mostly because i've forgotten how to cook since this one started doing it for me

00:59:26 Mats_cd03: i saw a few dozen dead pigs floating down a river as i was driving out of the province

00:59:38 nubbins`: i made homemade pasta sauce and meatballs last night

00:59:43 nubbins`: it was amazing, so spicy ;0

00:59:43 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:59:47 Mats_cd03: soured me on the experience

00:59:54 nubbins`: yes, the company was amazing too

00:59:54 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:00:00 nubbins`: yes, simply amazing

01:00:00 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:00:02 nubbins`: yes.

01:00:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06892001 = 0.6892 BTC [-] {4}

01:00:12 mircea_popescu: benkay you gotta learn to cook, this is embarassing.

01:00:16 nubbins`: ^

01:00:23 TestingUnoDosTre: easy there assbot

01:00:44 Mats_cd03: were the meatballs homemade

01:01:12 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla could assy perhaps only say amazing once an hour or something ?

01:01:12 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:01:23 mircea_popescu: i got a reputation to amazingly protect here.

01:01:23 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:01:26 Mats_cd03: lol

01:01:47 amazing: hi

01:01:48 benkay: mircea_popescu: i know how to cook!

01:02:04 benkay: amazing popescu

01:02:04 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:02:09 mircea_popescu: benkay you don't and i can tell just by looking at that poor excuse of a plate.

01:02:15 benkay: gtfo

01:02:19 benkay: i hand fried those potatoes

01:02:22 Mats_cd03: anyway like i was saying, i think some farmer had bought bad feed for his pigs and accidentally poisoned them

01:02:35 mircea_popescu: i have a lot more experience with noob cook chicks than you imagine my friend.

01:02:39 mircea_popescu: that's lashable cooking.

01:02:43 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu isnt it easier to just limit nubbins` ?

01:02:44 benkay: what's wrong with my plate?!

01:02:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but he's so small!

01:02:54 Mats_cd03: and whos going to dig a proper hole for all of those bodies? thats fucking laborious

01:03:05 Mats_cd03: so he put them on the back of a pickup and then dropped them off somewhere upstream

01:03:05 mircea_popescu: benkay it looks like someone who can't cook made it.

01:03:28 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 either that or there was a pig geyser sprout on the river bed.

01:03:47 benkay: bah you and your aesthetics

01:03:49 benkay: viewport this

01:03:55 benkay: arrangement of nutritive items that

01:03:57 mircea_popescu: tis not a matter of aesthetics.

01:04:13 mircea_popescu: tis a matter of i can tell if the carpenter is a noob by whether his "chair" is fucking level.

01:04:18 nubbins`: Mats_cd03 yes, the meatballs were homemade

01:04:30 benkay: oooooooh

01:04:35 Mats_cd03: id eat your homemade meatballs, nubbins`

01:04:54 Mats_cd03: ... wink

01:04:54 mircea_popescu: homeball his mademeats too

01:04:57 nubbins`: kakobrekla you can't hold me down!

01:05:07 mircea_popescu: ok, honesty time :

01:05:19 mircea_popescu: i always thought nubbins are the little bumps around the nipple on an aroused areola.

01:05:34 Mats_cd03: i have those

01:05:42 mircea_popescu: stop ruining it for me.

01:05:47 Mats_cd03: sorry

01:05:48 benkay: me too.

01:05:52 mike_c: benkay: eggs are overcooked. that yolk's gotta run.

01:05:56 mircea_popescu: you're too young to have areolae.

01:06:05 benkay: ya well, the plate was in the oven keeping the bacon warm

01:06:12 benkay: i did fuck the yolks up.

01:06:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0444 = 0.1332 BTC [-]

01:06:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06887978 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {2}

01:06:19 mircea_popescu: he thinks he can cute :D so adowable!

01:06:31 mircea_popescu: s/cute/cooke

01:06:38 benkay: keep going

01:06:47 benkay: alright fine you got me

01:06:47 mike_c: the potatoes look raw

01:06:49 Mats_cd03: horrible cooking dude

01:06:50 benkay: i'm an engineer

01:06:56 *: benkay throws up his hands

01:06:59 mircea_popescu: are you a c0k engineer ?

01:07:05 mircea_popescu: i mean c00k

01:07:14 Mats_cd03: its impressive you havent accidentally poisoned yourself yet

01:07:15 benkay: coke, but you know

01:07:28 mike_c: Mats_cd03: he hasn't eaten it yet :)

01:07:32 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 well if he ends up in east river...

01:07:46 kakobrekla: by the looks of it its deliberate

01:07:55 mircea_popescu: benkay gf comes home from her trip, finds dead pigglet, hauls him to pickup truck

01:07:59 mircea_popescu: (they have a pickup in ny!)

01:08:11 benkay: i love you guys too.

01:09:14 benkay: sad truth is i'm fishing for a second housekeeper cum cock sucker

01:09:23 benkay: i guess the assettes don't deliver?

01:09:32 benkay: mo i'm going to poison myself

01:09:47 mircea_popescu: well then your cum'd be poisonous.

01:09:53 benkay: i don't know the difference between brotein and carboderprates

01:10:03 mircea_popescu: hahaha

01:10:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: earlier thing: 'griggs vs. duke power co.'

01:10:21 asciilifeform: ;;google griggs vs duke power co.

01:10:22 gribble: Griggs v. Duke Power Co. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.; Landmark: Griggs v. Duke Power Co. | NAACP LDF: http://www.naacpldf.org/case/griggs-v-duke-power-co; Griggs v. Duke Power Company | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago ...: http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1970/1970_124

01:10:32 moiety: sup benkay?

01:10:38 benkay: girl left

01:10:40 benkay: i can't cook

01:10:42 benkay: halp

01:10:47 moiety: i entirely passed out earlier D:

01:10:53 moiety: oh jesus

01:10:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but that's ability to perform the job, you know ?

01:10:58 moiety: do you have a toaster

01:11:17 benkay: no toasters are convenience tools of the devil

01:11:28 benkay: also i live in murka and have to compromise on counterspace

01:11:31 mircea_popescu: moiety> do you have a toaster <<< ahaha fucken epic.

01:11:48 mircea_popescu: benkay "halp halp i need to cook" moiety, always motherly, starts small. "toaster ?"

01:12:04 benkay: this isn't funny mircea_popescu i'm going to die

01:12:09 moiety: prexactly - convenience. i think toasters are good because they have a timer, you cant burn the house down. please buy one

01:12:11 mircea_popescu: death is kinda funny...

01:12:39 benkay: yeah normally i'm into snuff too but today it's meeeee

01:12:48 mircea_popescu: so wait! benkay was shooting for two girls but in the end his one had enough and now he's... mancooking ?

01:12:57 mircea_popescu: o this is cartoon worthy

01:13:02 benkay: I'M MANSPLAINING THE KITCHEN TO MYSELF

01:13:16 moiety: wait, you mean properly left? not just away for the weekend?

01:13:29 benkay: no its just for the weekend

01:13:37 tg2: Shiiit, ltcponzi 500 ltc in 40 minutes :/

01:13:39 benkay: WAIT NO HALP

01:13:45 benkay: MOTHERLY INSTINCTS ENGAGE

01:13:49 moiety: oh i was gonna say you need to get a microwave too

01:13:53 mircea_popescu: moiety so far he thinks it's temporary.

01:14:01 Mats_cd03: benkay: http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe/305/Honey-Pecan-Pralines how2cookthings

01:14:05 tg2: Fack

01:14:09 tg2: Gotta start going this lol

01:14:09 benkay: Mats_cd03: that has sugar in it

01:14:23 Mats_cd03: are you diabetic

01:14:35 benkay: i will be if i cook myself goddamn pralines all the time

01:14:35 mircea_popescu: "how to become diabetic in three easy steps"

01:14:44 benkay: bake?

01:14:50 benkay: does one cook or bake pralines?

01:14:50 Mats_cd03: it was mostly the website and not the link, but i do love me some pralines

01:14:55 mircea_popescu: bake, bitch an' gargle

01:15:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: griggs: this was one of those cases that ended in creating a 'talmudic wall' (as the hassid jews call this situation)

01:15:07 Mats_cd03: is baking

01:15:17 benkay: fuck baking

01:15:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so it was.

01:15:27 asciilifeform: not until recently did anyone dare to give even vaguely intellectual puzzles to potential hires

01:15:30 benkay: so much time

01:15:37 Mats_cd03: youll live longer if you eat baked goods

01:15:40 asciilifeform: because of the 'disparate impact' (actual legal term) standard established by griggs

01:15:47 asciilifeform: (ianal!)

01:15:53 Mats_cd03: (over range-top cooking of meats)

01:16:09 Mats_cd03: me, i'm trying to live forever

01:16:15 qwebirc471694: fact: bears eat beets

01:16:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and of course it is, as always, based on the commerce clause.

01:16:29 benkay: eh, forever's overrated

01:16:39 mircea_popescu: one almost dares hope that a wholesale repeal of commerce clause jurisprudence may fix teh us

01:16:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as is virtually everything done by usg post-fdr

01:16:58 asciilifeform: that's like hoping for a cancellation of ckkpss. oh wait.

01:17:00 benkay: mircea_popescu: never going to happen.

01:17:03 moiety: ok so benkay do you have any little hard yellow shaped things in the kitchen that look like this? http://siciliangirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Fusilli_pasta.jpg

01:17:03 benkay: haw

01:17:09 moiety: :P

01:17:17 benkay: there are hard things in the kitchen for sure

01:17:20 benkay: dunno bout past

01:17:21 benkay: pasta

01:17:23 moiety: qwebirc471694: excellent fact

01:17:44 mircea_popescu: benkay gimme the heavenly forge for a week, it'll happen.

01:17:55 qwebirc471694: ahhh I'm losing my name

01:17:56 mircea_popescu: hm, am i the only one that knows what the heavenly forge is ?

01:17:58 moiety: benkay, this is worse than i thought. just phone a pizza for now

01:18:46 Mats_cd03: i looked it up on google and the second link was 'fanfiction.net'

01:18:55 benkay: mircea_popescu: what are you on about

01:18:55 TestingUnoDosTre: there we go

01:18:58 mircea_popescu: the heavenly forge is this quill

01:18:59 kakobrekla: order a pizza and put in a toaster

01:19:04 Mats_cd03: so the heavenly forge is definitely fan fiction right?

01:19:05 mircea_popescu: and whatever it writes, is the future.

01:19:13 moiety: kakobrekla: you are a man too huh

01:19:16 mike_c: lol kako. i agree.

01:19:17 benkay: can i get a pizza with bacon on it?

01:19:19 mircea_popescu: ;;google "nor all your piety nor wit"

01:19:19 gribble: Edward FitzGerald (poet) - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edward_FitzGerald_(poet); The Moving Finger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moving_Finger; Omar Khayyám - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayy%C3%A1m

01:19:31 asciilifeform: aha that one

01:19:34 moiety: benkay from dominos, yep

01:19:35 asciilifeform: everyone in usa knows that one

01:19:38 asciilifeform: because of clinton

01:19:40 mircea_popescu: please redirect all things which are bacon to benkay

01:19:41 kakobrekla: moiety i did came through didnt it.

01:19:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol

01:19:51 asciilifeform: it's true!

01:20:30 benkay: i don't need all the bacon sheesh that'd be greedy now

01:20:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2964 @ 0.00093954 = 2.7848 BTC [-]

01:20:33 *: moiety nods at kakobrekla - just a wee bit

01:20:42 mircea_popescu: benkay trade it for sum bitches

01:20:47 mircea_popescu: dem bitches looooove that bacon

01:20:49 TestingUnoDosTre: didn't we have some bacon ritz yesterday?

01:20:56 cazalla: should i register a gpg key in addition to bitcoin address for wot or is a bitcoin address enough?

01:20:56 asciilifeform: 'the moving finger writes, and having writ...'

01:20:56 moiety: men: toasters, youredoinitwrong

01:20:58 benkay: ah yes squirtable bacon

01:21:15 benkay: "come here baby let me squirt some bacon on you. mircea popescu said bitches love bacon."

01:21:29 moiety: cazalla: more other way around, key>address

01:21:44 Mats_cd03: http://www.perfectfry.com/products/spinfresh/ centrifugal deep fat fryer for that delicious crisp layer of chicken...

01:21:44 ozbot: SPINFRESH Automatic Fryer - Perfect Fry Company

01:22:01 cazalla: moiety: thanks, time to learn this gpg stuff i guess

01:22:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla both work

01:22:26 moiety: cazalla: use BingoBoingo's guide. best way, one sec

01:22:36 benkay: cazalla you don't need to put bitcoin address into wot

01:22:45 benkay: in fact, might not be a great idea

01:22:57 benkay: addrs and identities are two separate extremes on the spectrum

01:23:05 benkay: addrs disposable

01:23:10 benkay: identities inso

01:23:12 mircea_popescu: you can change them anyway.

01:23:22 mircea_popescu: log in with either, update the other as needed.

01:23:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00094071 = 8.4194 BTC [+]

01:23:34 benkay: naw

01:23:41 benkay: gpg for comms, btc for $$$

01:23:47 TestingUnoDosTre: which one was the BingoBoingo guide?

01:23:54 benkay: ;;google drinking record gpg

01:23:54 gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/

01:24:23 moiety: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/

01:24:24 ozbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog

01:24:32 moiety: see lol i slow

01:24:42 benkay: we'll larn you yet

01:25:17 moiety: got distracted saving tabs... ironically to speed up browser

01:26:03 moiety: couldn't you have a couple of people using an address though?

01:26:45 benkay: moiety!

01:27:32 mircea_popescu: it's not a bed.

01:28:02 moiety: if i just missed something glaringly obvious, forgive me, i did just wake up. I've shared an address before, is all

01:28:05 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f682dcd8f4949c2fe5e445c3fec309b/tumblr_mku8c5CGgv1r7s4ouo1_1280.jpg

01:28:08 mircea_popescu: anyone know the car brand ?

01:28:19 benkay: trabamborghini

01:28:20 asciilifeform: moiety: this'd be more like sharing toothbrush.

01:28:25 mircea_popescu: moiety how've you shared an address, ye hussy!

01:29:14 moiety: benkay the badge is right there! citroen

01:29:32 moiety: and for the site. me + dev had access

01:30:02 mircea_popescu: well it's not really how they're supposed to work.

01:30:05 mircea_popescu: so don't do that.

01:30:10 mircea_popescu: make two or w/e.

01:30:33 mircea_popescu: and wd on the citroen! it may be a trabamborghini, but it's the french trabamborghini.

01:30:58 asciilifeform: trabazerati.

01:31:15 moiety: thats fair enough, i was just at that point having everything done for me

01:31:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're going there, trapzderati

01:32:06 asciilifeform: lol

01:32:15 moiety: citroens arent very good though

01:32:25 mircea_popescu: better than vauxhalls.

01:32:32 moiety: very true

01:32:54 moiety: also, citroen>renault if we are keeping to french

01:33:23 moiety: everything over vauxhall (unless its a ford)

01:36:19 benkay: moiety: you might be the first person with a good reason to implement m of n signing

01:36:40 benkay: lol doge m of n

01:38:12 moiety: i don't personally doge, well i mined 41 to learn the process. such wealth.

01:38:49 benkay: are there any alts which one can mine with a cpu and at least get a few?

01:39:15 benkay: dage i gather, but does that still hold true?

01:39:41 moiety: plenty, in the beginning at least, all the galters are cpu poolers too

01:39:43 benkay: maybe the infinitely inflating currencies live on in the processors of cpus and gpus

01:39:55 benkay: as their value decreases, so does hashpower from professionals applied against them.

01:40:07 benkay: haha

01:42:26 moiety: are scrypt asics a thing yet?

01:43:33 benkay: tg2: ^^

01:43:45 PObro: kncMiner has some scrypt miners for Q2/Q3 this year.

01:44:36 PObro: w

01:45:07 tg2: Gridseeds are out already

01:45:23 tg2: knc is gonna kill it though

01:45:55 cads: moiety: at least one company I've seen are claiming to be shipping a scrypt asic

01:46:34 benkay: have a good evening, everyone!

01:47:21 tg2: I hope scrypt responds poorly to Asic difficulty hike

01:47:32 cads: though I thought the memory requirements of scrypt is what made it inefficient to try to solve with an asic.

01:47:43 tg2: Less efficient

01:47:51 tg2: still 50x more than gpu lol

01:47:59 cads: gotcha

01:48:12 tg2: Vs 1000x more with sha256 asics

01:48:18 moiety: cads: great, a bfl v2?!

01:48:35 cads: bfl?

01:48:43 tg2: vertcoin is the only hope for no-asic and I'm sure it will happen

01:48:57 tg2: Their implementation is dumb

01:49:07 moiety: Big Fucking Liars aka Butterfly Labs

01:49:19 tg2: Knc is legit though

01:49:22 cads: has no researcher investigated mixed hash approaches?

01:49:36 tg2: Cads, look into x11 cpins

01:49:44 tg2: Coins* namely darkcoin

01:50:00 asciilifeform: why this mega-interest in coins optimized for botnet mining?

01:50:07 tg2: Lol

01:50:14 jborkl: Wtf is going on in here

01:50:27 tg2: Cause botters dos exchanges to make $

01:50:28 cads: lol, x11's site begins "With professional Scrypt mining hardware on the way it is time to look for the best alternative hashing solution that will keep crypto currency within reach of everyone."

01:50:42 asciilifeform: 'cpu optimized' == 'botnet optimized'

01:50:46 asciilifeform: what part of this is a secret

01:50:51 cads: asciilifeform: nice

01:50:56 cads: I hadn't thought that

01:51:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00093923 = 18.5968 BTC [-] {2}

01:51:02 tg2: Even gpu is swarm friendly

01:51:06 cads: right

01:51:24 tg2: 35% of systems have discrete gpu

01:51:27 tg2: Including phones

01:51:32 cads: because kids/manchildren with hefty gaming gpus

01:51:40 mircea_popescu: actually, as a purely academic point, does anyone know a hash that is genuinely cpu-favourable ?

01:51:44 asciilifeform: heterogeneity of gpu makes the bot artist's job tricky

01:51:55 mircea_popescu: none of this ram ostrich bs

01:52:02 cads: asciilifeform: I would use haskell

01:52:03 moiety: americans: do you have a gov site dedicated to people records?

01:52:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cpu-friendly vs. what?

01:52:28 mircea_popescu: moiety no, they don't have central government.

01:52:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, a huge lot of control instructions somehow

01:52:44 asciilifeform: easy.

01:52:47 asciilifeform: here's a simple one

01:52:49 cads: god it would be so great to find out these guys actually use next generation compiler tech to specialize their viruses to the hardware :)

01:53:03 asciilifeform: encode payload as bits on a grid, and run cellular automaton

01:53:07 asciilifeform: e.g. langton's ant

01:53:07 *: cads hates not knowing what's going on in the criminal sector of computer science

01:53:09 mircea_popescu: o yeah

01:53:10 asciilifeform: or 'life'

01:53:16 moiety: ty mircea_popescu

01:53:17 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, graph anything. good point

01:53:35 mircea_popescu: would it hold as a hash tho

01:53:37 asciilifeform: say, 1e8-th state is the hash.

01:53:46 asciilifeform: or rather, a conventional cryptographic hash thereof

01:53:50 asciilifeform: (of the grid bits)

01:53:51 mircea_popescu: a right

01:53:55 mircea_popescu: no good reason not to chain them

01:54:11 asciilifeform: to make it 'asic-hostile', demand an outlandishly large grid.

01:54:14 mircea_popescu: then again, at least for life there are purely math algos

01:54:32 asciilifeform: there's exactly one - 'hashlife'

01:54:41 mircea_popescu: well a bunch of derivations but ok

01:55:05 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html

01:55:21 cads: asciilifeform: is hashlife hard or surprisingly easy to understand?

01:55:29 asciilifeform: surprisingly easy

01:55:36 asciilifeform: langton's ant is a bit more interesting

01:55:40 asciilifeform: in that the answer is very compact

01:55:44 mircea_popescu: it's not hard.

01:55:45 asciilifeform: the ant always ends up 'building a road'

01:55:56 asciilifeform: the output of the 'hash' can be 'starting on which move'

01:56:12 asciilifeform: this doesn't require you to hash the entire playing field

01:56:27 cads: looking up "hash life" on youtube got me to a video by "Swag Sensei"

01:56:30 asciilifeform: and there is presently no known means of predicting, other than by running the ant, when the bridge will be built

01:56:36 asciilifeform: and there is, afaik, no proof that it is always built

01:56:42 asciilifeform: but no known counter-example either.

01:56:59 cads: oh it's just smart memoization

01:57:01 asciilifeform: everyone is invited to try it

01:57:03 cads: durp

01:57:11 cads: nothing like stochastic/predictive?

01:57:19 *: cads reads on

01:57:29 asciilifeform: ;;google langton's ant

01:57:30 gribble: Langton's ant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_ant; Langton's Ant - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-gtr4pEBU; Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LangtonsAnt.html

01:59:16 asciilifeform: incidentally, hashlife starts grinding to sub-naive speed if your playing field is complex

01:59:21 asciilifeform: (highly entropic)

01:59:28 asciilifeform: because it no longer compresses.

01:59:58 asciilifeform: given that GOL is proven turing-complete, it would follow that there is no generic shortcut to nth-state

02:00:07 asciilifeform: unless p == np

02:00:25 asciilifeform: (and possibly not even then)

02:00:49 samO_: haven't had internet conn. for almost two days! nearly lost my mind... :D what happend in the mean time, anything significant?

02:01:30 asciilifeform: one could make an arbitrarily hardware-unfriendly 'hash' using automata, merely by demanding a large and well-entropic (crypto hash of payload, bit-spread) playing field

02:01:35 asciilifeform: and a turing-complete automaton

02:01:37 VanCleef: the fuck is up with havelock

02:01:37 tg2: I have a useful distributed work coin project on the burner

02:01:44 VanCleef: shit dont even work properly anymore

02:01:47 VanCleef: useless site

02:01:48 asciilifeform: make the field large enough, and everyone is reduced to swapping to disk!

02:01:53 tg2: gonna be better than wasting hashes on nothing

02:02:18 asciilifeform: (why anyone should wish this is another question.)

02:02:34 samO_: also, is there a chat log history of this channel somewhere? thx!

02:02:48 tg2: Just Google your username

02:03:22 tg2: Who admins havelock

02:03:33 tg2: Niggas need some help

02:04:08 tg2: Not even a heavy site to lift

02:04:48 asciilifeform: paging herr doktor wolfram!

02:04:56 asciilifeform: who loves stealing useless ideas

02:05:01 asciilifeform: let him steal this one!

02:05:44 asciilifeform: ;;google wolfram batshit egomania

02:05:44 gribble: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: http://www.math.usf.edu/~eclark/ANKOS_reviews.html

02:05:49 asciilifeform: there we go.

02:06:51 mircea_popescu: samO_ who'd you be ?

02:07:29 mircea_popescu: ;;topic

02:07:30 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

02:11:03 asciilifeform: proposed algo, for those who insist:

02:11:13 asciilifeform: take j x k bit playing field.

02:11:52 asciilifeform: fill bits, in sequence, with sha2(xxx), then sha2(sha2(xxx)).... until field is full

02:12:05 asciilifeform: then run langton's ant, starting from the middle of the field

02:12:13 asciilifeform: output is an integer, N

02:12:20 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay "One cannot issue ratings until one is rated oneself. This is a useful feature that prevents a lot of misuse of the system. If scammers cannot stuff the WoT database with their sockpuppets, they cannot artificially inflate their ratings. Granted, the mechanism is weak and easily gamed, but the simple presence of a barrier reduces much malfeasance." this made no sense. you know it made no sense. why

02:12:21 mircea_popescu: is it there then !?

02:12:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:12:24 asciilifeform: corresponding to 'bridge is being built'

02:13:06 asciilifeform: alternatively, run 'life' on the entire field, for M moves, and output is sha(field)

02:13:45 mircea_popescu: in fact!

02:13:53 mircea_popescu: you can have difficulty scale as... the size of the field.

02:13:58 asciilifeform: as i said above.

02:14:06 mircea_popescu: a you did ?

02:14:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590936

02:14:15 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:14:30 mircea_popescu: what i mean is

02:14:41 mircea_popescu: the mining difficulty parameter is not some arbitrary zerofill

02:14:45 mircea_popescu: but the size of the field to compute.

02:14:49 asciilifeform: well yes.

02:14:53 asciilifeform: that'd be how it has to be.

02:15:23 asciilifeform: now all you need is a reason to actually do this.

02:15:24 mircea_popescu: how many numbers are the product of two others ?

02:15:32 mircea_popescu: all nonprimes basically huh.

02:15:38 asciilifeform: not incl. 1?

02:15:45 mircea_popescu: in fact you can allow life on a 1 wide grid couldn't you

02:15:50 asciilifeform: certainly

02:16:01 asciilifeform: although it would need to be called something else

02:16:11 mircea_popescu: yeah, i think the lowest would be 3 ? or 5 ?

02:16:15 mircea_popescu: maybe 5.

02:16:58 asciilifeform: most possible cellular automata degenerate to a steady state rather than give the kind of 'soup' one normally looks for.

02:17:18 asciilifeform: (yet another 'discovery' by people long ago that herr W claimed for himself)

02:21:41 chetty: http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/28/white-house-looks-to-regulate-cow-flatulence-as-part-of-climate-agenda/#ixzz2xHqYITaT

02:21:41 ozbot: White House regulate cow flatulence climate agenda | The Daily Caller

02:22:32 asciilifeform: so long as you use an automaton that has been proven turing-complete, and use a reasonably entropic starting field state, you're pretty much safe from shortcuts

02:22:53 asciilifeform: and people are stuck having to compute the state transitions for the whole field, as many times as specified

02:23:07 asciilifeform: unless p == np, rocks fall, crypto dies

02:23:40 asciilifeform: likewise, scaling the difficulty in time and space becomes trivial.

02:24:22 cazalla: moiety: that gpg guide is good, this was much easier than i thought it would be

02:25:55 moiety: cazalla: yeah definately, i got the live version :D he is a very good sensei

02:26:19 asciilifeform: anyone who has the apparently common distaste for the asic folks should give this some thought.

02:28:00 MisterE: morning dudes

02:29:25 MisterE: asciilifeform: did you read tg2's analysis of sha-356 asics vs scrypt asics on bitcointalk?

02:29:31 MisterE: 256*

02:29:40 asciilifeform: MisterE: nope. i pretty much never see bitcointalk

02:29:43 MisterE: it's realy good and concise

02:29:48 asciilifeform: except when linked here - and even then, every 50th time or so

02:29:53 MisterE: yea from what I can tell its mostly trash

02:29:58 MisterE: I will find it

02:30:14 kakobrekla: trash mixed with gold

02:30:23 kakobrekla: but mostly trash

02:30:32 asciilifeform: any surprises therein for folks who understand the algos?

02:30:41 mircea_popescu: gold mixed with comedy

02:30:43 mircea_popescu: but mostly comedy

02:30:54 stompysteve: anyone got any info on neo and whats going on past they stopped trading due to sus activity

02:31:04 mircea_popescu: stompysteve read the log will you.

02:31:10 stompysteve: sorry

02:31:14 mircea_popescu: who had that link ?

02:31:30 asciilifeform: sha-356!?

02:31:47 MisterE: asciilifeform: probably not for you it's about the state of and medium-term future of hardware and mfgr. proceses

02:32:51 mircea_popescu: stompysteve http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#589431

02:32:54 asciilifeform: the ideal botnet-optimized (i.e. what scrypt wants to be) algo is described above.

02:33:13 mircea_popescu: MisterE so link it

02:33:29 MisterE: searching my logs now

02:36:41 MisterE: oh it's on litecointalk thats why didn't find it right away... [2014-03-27T12:19:20+0700] <tg2> https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=17948.0 // Discourse welcome!

02:37:57 asciilifeform: ;;google heusser satcoin

02:37:57 gribble: SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html; Proof of concept code for SAT-based bitcoin mining: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/12/30/satcoin-code.html; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: https://github.com/jheusser/satcoin

02:38:07 tg2: Yeah knc updated their numbers, I should update the post

02:38:14 asciilifeform: 'Current/Next gen bitcoin/sha256 asics are already at the forefront of manufacturing process, they cannot get more power efficient without waiting for a new manufacturing process to be available (14nm)' << nah

02:38:23 mircea_popescu: tg2 you realise people wouldn't build the ram as part of the asic do you ?

02:38:37 asciilifeform: why brute force. it's like nobody gives a rat's arse enough to even try

02:38:47 tg2: They went for the "less ram faster latency" approach

02:39:12 asciilifeform: hence 'lifecoin'. you're stuck with the RAM

02:39:18 tg2: I stand by my analysis though that it won't be near as prolific as sha256

02:39:36 mircea_popescu: nearly as prolific as bitcoin miners they will never be

02:39:38 tg2: Although knc sure is trying to prove me wrong lol

02:39:44 MisterE: and won't depreciate so quickly like sha-256 2nd gen

02:39:48 mircea_popescu: the reason, of course, is that bitcoin is worth three to four degrees of magnitude more.

02:40:02 MisterE: I heard knc was not reliable and they have had a lot of delivery misses int he past?

02:40:14 mircea_popescu: MisterE not as bad as all that.

02:40:21 MisterE: ok

02:40:23 tg2: They are probably one of the best right now

02:40:33 MisterE: they also mine so there is a conflict of interest iirc?

02:40:41 tg2: Hashfast are clowns

02:40:48 MisterE: oh, perhaps I'm confused with another 3 letter mfgr?

02:40:53 tg2: They assemble them out of house

02:41:03 tg2: at a workshop 5 minutes from my office

02:41:13 asciilifeform: i've always wondered if folks interested in mining despite the negative ROI are really just looking to convert fiat to btc by whatever means possible.

02:41:33 tg2: Yeah I think that's a way to look at it

02:41:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about the people who "invest" despite negative roi ?

02:41:45 tg2: Don't forget gpu's hold some value

02:42:08 tg2: shit even shoddy first gen sha fpga's are still being sold lol

02:42:08 MisterE: and generate transactions that help keep the network healthy

02:42:11 mircea_popescu: rational behaviour isn't exactly the rule.

02:42:44 MisterE: BTC still has a gold rush mentality that personally I dont think is doing speculators any favors

02:42:49 asciilifeform: think of it this way - some people are prepared to pay double, triple, the 'usual' cost for btc, so long as they aren't using an exchange

02:42:51 asciilifeform: esp. americans

02:43:00 MisterE: smart ones supply the miners and speculators

02:43:09 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;d

02:43:09 gribble: Error: "d" is not a valid command.

02:43:16 asciilifeform: not everyone has an 'otc' vendor that they're willing to trust

02:43:23 TestingUnoDosTre: say wahat gribble?

02:43:33 mircea_popescu: .d

02:43:33 ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1326 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.9722% in 7d 17h 34m 28s

02:43:34 MisterE: asciilifeform: the mining centers I've read abotu who are doing it right have paid back their investments within months

02:43:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those people trade otc.

02:44:01 MisterE: there was just the article in Ars abotu the guy who controls ~10% of hash rate

02:44:03 asciilifeform: MisterE: large concerns with ready access to the latest widgets, sure.

02:44:11 mircea_popescu: well i guess, but it's becoming edge-r and edge-r

02:44:20 asciilifeform: the poor schmucks buying thirdhand asic, not so much

02:44:22 MisterE: but medium - small guys are throwing money away?

02:44:27 MisterE: lol ok

02:44:41 mircea_popescu: it's really very hit and miss.

02:44:54 asciilifeform: but there's a standpoint from which it makes sense to buy a junk miner

02:45:04 mircea_popescu: "large concerns" that thought they had access to the latest widgets expected to come out... november 2012 are mostly bankrupt today

02:45:06 MisterE: yea tg2 does a good job explaining that depreciation, expecially of 2nd gen sha-256 asics

02:45:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be because the only way to have reliable access to latest xxx is to... build it

02:45:43 tg2: Yeah I pitty anybody who dropped btc on a bfl product

02:45:52 mircea_popescu: MisterE it's a theory. it's not outrageously or massively wrong, but im not too persuaded.

02:45:59 MisterE: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/

02:45:59 ozbot: Meet the manic miner who wants to mint 10% of all new bitcoins | Ars Technica

02:46:08 tg2: Even the "next gen" 600gh is garbage

02:46:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even. more builders went out of business than stayed in.

02:46:12 MisterE: yea BFL really scammed a lot

02:46:35 MisterE: my buddy ordered a 10mh box and was shopped a 7mh box

02:46:40 asciilifeform: some people will spend 2K usd to get 1 btc, if it means they don't have to bend over for 'aml' crapola or trust someone

02:46:42 mircea_popescu: ahh, remember the days when am was derping about "having 30% of all hashing for a year"

02:46:43 MisterE: they are being sued

02:46:45 MisterE: a lot

02:46:46 mircea_popescu: it was.... six months ago ?

02:47:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone they'll still be trusting.

02:47:10 tg2: I honestly think they started out with the goal of scamming and then btc blew up so fast lol

02:47:15 mircea_popescu: unless they're taking a microscope to the box, who's to say what's in there ?

02:47:30 asciilifeform: think 'silk road' and 'why didn't they just go to the dark alley to buy the coke'

02:47:38 MisterE: well performance doesn't lie heh

02:47:48 MisterE: plus I thing it was stamped on the box

02:47:54 tg2: I hope this Canadian class action against gox bears some fruit

02:47:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm off. take it easy all.

02:48:07 MisterE: BFL could not deliver the product my buddy ordered and instead of refunding sent a lesser spec

02:48:09 asciilifeform: from this crackpot theory, mining doesn't need to have much +EV so long as it isn't too far in the minus.

02:48:17 tg2: I'm glad they decided to do it, they were on the fence about it for a few days

02:48:30 mircea_popescu: you mean https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447869151756161025 ?

02:48:32 MisterE: I hope they all do

02:49:25 MisterE: I heard they were being sued the first time a couple months ago but that also people were lining up to file

02:49:33 tg2: Ain't nobody spending 2k for 1 btc lol

02:49:53 tg2: no matter how shady

02:49:54 asciilifeform: tg2: many 'home' miners end up doing just that.

02:50:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00094137 = 11.2964 BTC [+] {2}

02:50:00 MisterE: I made a big buy (for me) at 500 yesterday

02:50:03 tg2: Not by intent

02:50:17 tg2: I have 250k of gpus running

02:50:18 asciilifeform: tg2: that's what i was wondering. perhaps it isn't always accidental

02:50:22 tg2: dat cheap hydro

02:50:25 MisterE: it goes out in pieces to the electric company

02:50:45 tg2: And most of it was bought with btc mined from a single 5970 lol

02:50:46 MisterE: so if they can amortize it spending 2k on a BTC is acceptable I guess.

02:51:05 MisterE: heh yea think of that scale jump

02:51:15 tg2: My thoughts are, my power costs me .05c

02:51:18 tg2: Cdn$

02:51:25 MisterE: you got hydro?

02:51:38 MisterE: or nukes in the back yard?

02:51:54 MisterE: in US you get cheap power if you live nearish a nuke plant

02:51:56 tg2: Rate m power

02:51:59 TestingUnoDosTre: I bought some at 500 as well

02:52:17 TestingUnoDosTre: pissed because I made a small purchase around 400...

02:52:20 MisterE: yea I see a lot of support at 500 TestingUnoDosTre

02:52:46 tg2: plus cheap cooling most of the year

02:52:47 MisterE: all the bad BTC news lately hasn't budged it at all

02:52:48 MisterE: very good sign

02:52:54 TestingUnoDosTre: I see a lot of don't really care how things pan out over the next 2-3 months

02:53:10 MisterE: tg2: the successful miners of the future will have to monetize that heat

02:53:10 tg2: People in cali and uk already losing money

02:53:37 TestingUnoDosTre: US miners are going to have to evade taxs or more out

02:53:40 tg2: Umm already doing something with my 600,000 btu lol

02:53:47 TestingUnoDosTre: move*

02:53:57 MisterE: what you doing tg2 ?

02:54:08 tg2: Have grass growing outside in the middle of February

02:54:16 MisterE: I mean hell you can just well insulate and heat your house if you live in a colder place

02:54:22 MisterE: lolol :)

02:54:25 tg2: While it's -20C out

02:54:34 xdotcommer: weather is changing

02:54:37 MisterE: you so high roller

02:54:38 tg2: It's to much heat for a house

02:54:57 MisterE: in 20 years you;ll have to run an a/c for your February lawn heh

02:55:00 tg2: almost 200,000 W

02:55:05 MisterE: damn

02:55:23 tg2: With darkcoin about 110kw

02:55:32 MisterE: I'm thining of the centralized boilers in NYC that heat several blocks

02:55:49 tg2: You can recycle it

02:55:57 MisterE: as scale of rigs increase a colo facility that makes use of that heat in a similar way would be interesting

02:56:30 tg2: I tried to make a deal with a golf dome to heat it for free over the winter

02:56:32 *: MisterE needs to learn about darkcoin

02:56:59 MisterE: thats the kind of thinking out of the box I'm talking about!

02:57:01 MisterE: any inroads?

03:09:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00094266 = 15.6482 BTC [+] {3}

03:26:07 *: MisterE killed the chat :/

03:27:39 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=546338.0;topicseen

03:27:41 ozbot: Auroracoin - Forked and Game Over

03:27:59 cazalla: top kek

03:29:16 Apocalyptic: "Luke is that you?

03:29:16 Apocalyptic: " lol'd

03:29:49 kakobrekla: is it even sha?

03:30:07 Apocalyptic: no idea

03:34:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2537 @ 0.00011999 = 0.3044 BTC [+] {2}

03:37:57 VanCleef: iceland is now for sale

03:38:06 VanCleef: thanks auroracoin

03:39:20 MisterE: heh

03:40:53 Apocalyptic: VanCleef, interested by some island land ?

03:42:13 kanzure: hah it's already forked. that's fun.

03:42:32 kanzure: man i've had so many people asking me about it. they all think it's the government.

04:01:37 nicknode_: whats up with neobee?

04:01:46 Mats_cd03: it sucks

04:01:47 VanCleef: outed as a scam

04:01:56 nicknode_: VanCleef: link?

04:04:26 iamnot_: VanCleef, really?

04:04:28 nicknode_: VanCleef: would you let me in on the true inside story on neobee? i'll pay

04:04:32 iamnot_: or just "really?"

04:06:19 VanCleef: my lawyer has asked me to not talk about it

04:07:23 nicknode_: ok well thanks anyway

04:20:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093835 = 8.3982 BTC [-] {2}

04:38:17 nubbins`: ha

04:43:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00093834 = 4.3633 BTC [-]

04:47:15 MisterE: xD

06:19:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00094136 = 12.7084 BTC [+] {2}

06:20:21 samO_: thx mircea_popesku for the link (yeah, i've been blind) :D

06:41:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5061 @ 0.00094173 = 4.7661 BTC [+]

07:05:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00094217 = 18.4665 BTC [+] {2}

07:15:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00093894 = 31.6892 BTC [-] {7}

07:29:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1739 @ 0.00094231 = 1.6387 BTC [+]

07:42:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2861 @ 0.00094345 = 2.6992 BTC [+]

07:57:33 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell benkay ty!

07:57:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:26:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093961 = 8.4095 BTC [-]

08:53:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06888 = 0.6888 BTC [+]

08:54:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59484287 BTC [+]

09:16:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.05564701 = 1.1129 BTC [-] {2}

09:18:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20741 @ 0.00094128 = 19.5231 BTC [+] {2}

09:35:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00094197 = 12.8579 BTC [+]

09:37:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00094197 = 8.2893 BTC [+]

09:56:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094197 = 10.4559 BTC [+]

10:11:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8431 @ 0.00094007 = 7.9257 BTC [-] {2}

10:39:11 khersonus: ;;blocks

10:39:12 gribble: 293057

10:40:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1312 @ 0.00094197 = 1.2359 BTC [+]

10:49:29 ArsKisS: havelock so down :/

10:56:48 Jackmaninov: wow such trade

11:17:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00094197 = 0.9891 BTC [+]

11:33:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00094252 = 14.1849 BTC [+] {2}

11:58:50 joeshanny: peek da whole scene and whatever's goin on around, brain kinda cloudy, smoked out, feelin rowdy

12:26:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56000001 = 1.12 BTC [-] {2}

12:27:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-] {2}

12:28:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.559 BTC [-]

12:30:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.559 = 1.118 BTC [-]

12:33:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.55057778 = 4.9552 BTC [-] {7}

12:35:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]

12:37:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]

12:45:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]

12:52:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06888989 = 0.2756 BTC [-] {3}

12:53:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]

12:55:33 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/

12:55:34 ozbot: The psychology of the bagholder pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:55:45 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay asciilifeform you've been mentioned ^

12:55:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:55:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.522 = 4.176 BTC [-]

12:57:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094401 = 11.2337 BTC [+] {2}

12:57:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0553188 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {4}

13:02:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00093976 = 7.847 BTC [-] {2}

13:02:46 artifexd: mircea_popescu You make me sad. I wanted to believe in NeoBee.

13:03:11 VanCleef: that was your first mistake

13:03:28 mircea_popescu: yeah generally a pragmatic approach works better. there are more things we want to believe in than can be done.

13:04:09 psterryl: so people are saying neobee is a scam now?

13:04:29 VanCleef: yeah its official

13:04:35 mircea_popescu: just poorly managed.

13:04:35 bounce: but, I like that poster!

13:04:48 psterryl: how is it official vancleef?

13:04:54 psterryl: since there's been no official statement

13:05:00 psterryl: seems like rumour to me

13:05:34 psterryl: until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny

13:05:54 mircea_popescu: psterryl what's your reasoning process here ?

13:06:17 psterryl: my reasoning is evidence based

13:06:28 psterryl: without evidence either way

13:06:28 mircea_popescu: i mean specifically in this deduction :

13:06:38 mircea_popescu: <psterryl> so people are saying neobee is a scam now?

13:06:38 mircea_popescu: <VanCleef> yeah its official <psterryl> until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny

13:06:39 psterryl: it's impossible to call it one way or the other

13:06:58 mircea_popescu: no, this is neither reasonable nor novel material.

13:07:18 mircea_popescu: it's been covered to death why " it's impossible to call it one way or the other" doesn't work and doesn't hold, over the years

13:07:23 mircea_popescu: you'll have to refer to the logs.

13:07:42 psterryl: i'm just talking from my own personal viewpoint

13:07:50 psterryl: everyone is entitled to their own opinions/deductions

13:08:08 psterryl: i like to be shown conclusive proof

13:08:17 psterryl: rather than get caught up in internet chinese whispers

13:09:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.06730513 = 2.3557 BTC [-] {5}

13:09:14 mircea_popescu: no, everyone is not entitled to their own personal viewpoint.

13:09:23 psterryl: oh ok

13:09:41 mircea_popescu: the path is 1) you prove you're able to think ; 2) you're entitled to your own viewpoint.

13:09:41 psterryl: so everyone is entitled to the mircea approved viewpoint?

13:09:43 mircea_popescu: so far you're short 1.

13:09:44 mircea_popescu: no.

13:10:01 psterryl: well, my 1st class university degree should suggest i'm ok for #1

13:10:05 mircea_popescu: but there is such a thing as an examen de maturite which keeps the children away from human society.

13:10:08 psterryl: but you're just some random guy on the internet

13:10:14 mircea_popescu: you may not suggest that. i have to suggest it, when you're talking to me,

13:10:16 bounce: eh, opinions are like assholes. everyone's got one. whether they matter is something else entirely.

13:10:17 psterryl: so it's not like i have to prove anything to you

13:10:19 psterryl: ok cool

13:10:20 psterryl: well

13:10:21 mircea_popescu: and generally everyone else, when you're talking to them.

13:10:23 psterryl: in that cuse

13:10:26 cazalla: popcorn.gif

13:10:33 psterryl: as of this moment, i'm officially talking to everyone in this channel apart from you

13:10:37 psterryl: so you dont need to worry

13:10:42 mircea_popescu: aite.

13:10:54 cbr: *clap clap clap clap*

13:11:29 ThickAsThieves: statistically, ignoring mp is ignoring like half its content

13:11:38 ThickAsThieves: (the channel's)

13:11:52 punkman1: psterryl: congratulations, you've removed all doubt

13:12:15 psterryl: yeah im new on here so still working out who is insightful and who's just a dick

13:12:29 ThickAsThieves: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/

13:12:31 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

13:12:32 psterryl: at first i thought mp was the former but starting to think latter

13:12:32 chetty: here the dick is the insightful

13:12:32 artifexd: Those qualities are not mutually exclusive.

13:12:46 psterryl: i think that says a lot about the bitcoin community

13:12:54 VanCleef: psterryl i think this might help - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080602010632AAlnmTB

13:13:19 psterryl: oh wow vancleef

13:13:21 psterryl: such insight

13:13:24 psterryl: many revelation

13:13:26 ThickAsThieves: also "mean" and "dick" are emotional observations

13:13:37 ThickAsThieves: not quite applicable to substance

13:13:43 mircea_popescu: VanCleef i thought the freudian/jungian approach was poo = moneys.

13:13:55 VanCleef: that would be good

13:14:03 VanCleef: i had to check my pants before when i woke up

13:14:17 ThickAsThieves: the life a monkey!

13:14:22 mircea_popescu: haha

13:14:25 psterryl: true but when someone makes a blanket statement that not everyone is entitled to their own opinion

13:14:33 psterryl: it suddenly becomes much harder to take them seriously

13:14:39 psterryl: even idiots are entited to an opinion

13:14:44 psterryl: it might be subjectively wrong in my eyes

13:14:51 psterryl: but doesnt mean they're not entiteld to it

13:14:56 ThickAsThieves: i dunno

13:15:01 ThickAsThieves: did you bother asking why?

13:15:14 ThickAsThieves: maybe he has logic behind his claims

13:15:38 ThickAsThieves: you never felt like some people's opinion's dont deserve the weight they carry

13:15:40 ThickAsThieves: ?

13:15:45 psterryl: of course

13:15:51 psterryl: but they're still entitled to that opinion

13:15:55 psterryl: despite my personal views of it

13:16:12 ThickAsThieves: or like the people that are most likely to say "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" are the least likely to have opinions worth considering?

13:16:43 psterryl: well

13:16:47 psterryl: that may be your opinion

13:16:48 ThickAsThieves: it's customer-is-always-right syndrome

13:16:55 psterryl: and you're totally entitled to it

13:17:10 psterryl: but i personally disagree

13:17:11 ThickAsThieves: maybe the issue mp has is with entitlement itself

13:17:21 ThickAsThieves: not the craziest thing to challenge

13:18:34 VanCleef: anyone have a youtube vid of a robot that's better than asimo?

13:18:46 psterryl: that's a possibility

13:19:00 psterryl: but saying that someone has to prove their intelligence before they're allowed an opinion

13:19:07 psterryl: seems like a fairly entitled stance

13:19:14 psterryl: so maybe it's a self-loathing issue

13:20:00 ThickAsThieves: if you think mp is self-loathing, you have not read much from him

13:20:11 psterryl: like i said i'm new here

13:20:17 VanCleef: stocks are like women....once they lose their value you dump them

13:21:06 ThickAsThieves: VanCleef, in that example, isnt better to dump them before they lose value?

13:21:40 VanCleef: yes but like with women investors get emotionally involved and dont know when to let go

13:22:08 VanCleef: this is the problem psterryl is having with neobee atm

13:22:15 ThickAsThieves: a bit of a generalization, but i hear ya

13:24:31 pankkake: I thought the limit for women was clear, dump when the age doesn't end in teen

13:24:36 psterryl: and sometimes people bring a relationship back from the rocks and go on to have long and fulfilling times together

13:25:44 mircea_popescu: why not just dump them when they get annoying, age-irrespective ?

13:26:01 pankkake: wait there are non-annoying women?!

13:26:04 mircea_popescu: yeah!

13:26:18 pankkake: that didn't use to be a man?

13:26:25 mircea_popescu: see, if you dump them when they get 20 you're stuck with a bunch of annoying teens

13:26:36 mircea_popescu: if you dump them when they get annoying you're stuck with a bunch of pleasant women.

13:26:51 chetty: hey there are a lot of non-annoying women

13:27:08 ThickAsThieves: maybe you need to write a how to pick up chicks worth picking up blog

13:27:12 mircea_popescu: chetty dated a lot of em ?

13:27:42 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's simple, "have your girls recommend"

13:28:02 ThickAsThieves: my girls?

13:28:10 ThickAsThieves: like exes?

13:28:13 mircea_popescu: uh

13:28:21 mircea_popescu: no, because as per previous exes are annoying

13:28:27 ThickAsThieves: slaves?

13:28:38 ThickAsThieves: mom?

13:28:40 mircea_popescu: well slaves if you keep slaves, girlfriends, w/e you got

13:28:55 mircea_popescu: lol mom. not mom, it works better if you've been intimate. what's urmom know.

13:29:00 ThickAsThieves: so ask your gf to recommend a new gf?

13:29:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:29:07 mircea_popescu: then again... deep south... maybe i shouldn't assume

13:29:11 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves definitely.

13:29:24 VanCleef: "how to pick up chicks by not talking about bitcoin"

13:29:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00094435 = 6.4688 BTC [+]

13:29:42 ThickAsThieves: "I'm sorry baby, it's just not working out. Got any referrals?"

13:29:50 mircea_popescu: well you can't dump her

13:29:54 mircea_popescu: she's not being annoying is she.

13:30:17 ThickAsThieves: you gotta hold our collective hand a little hear

13:30:19 ThickAsThieves: here*

13:30:25 ThickAsThieves: cant find the thread

13:30:42 mircea_popescu: i am more than willing to continue answering q's.

13:30:53 mircea_popescu: tis not annoying or anything :D

13:31:42 ThickAsThieves: i'll rephrase

13:31:47 ThickAsThieves: shooting in the dark is annoying too

13:32:11 ThickAsThieves: so far it seems you want a man to ask his not-annoying gf for recommendations

13:32:17 mircea_popescu: gfs

13:32:18 chetty: where is your sense of adventure?

13:32:24 mircea_popescu: it's unlikely a single girl can do much for oyu.

13:32:51 ThickAsThieves: so we need to rewind to where you suggest a man generally keep multiple gfs

13:33:08 mircea_popescu: a man does generally keep multiple gfs.

13:33:12 [KS]: Hi all - you guys are golden. Asssets/scams/2c psychology/women advice etc :) (back to lurking)

13:33:15 ThickAsThieves: the kind he fucks?

13:33:17 Diablo-D3: lol

13:33:21 ThickAsThieves: or the kind he'll talk to?

13:33:24 mircea_popescu: [KS] hugs and kisses to you too

13:33:28 *: Diablo-D3 has kept multiple gfs.

13:33:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes the kind he fucks.

13:34:10 ThickAsThieves: anytime i've attempted as much it felt more like being a triple agent than anything

13:34:19 mircea_popescu: this "lifetime monogamy" thing is a very narrow edge case of human sexual and intimate practice.

13:34:24 mircea_popescu: both historical and geographical.

13:34:25 ThickAsThieves: the more they know about each other the more crazy they behave

13:34:32 mircea_popescu: if they do dump em.

13:34:35 ThickAsThieves: i see

13:34:37 mircea_popescu: as per annoying rule.

13:34:41 ThickAsThieves: heh

13:34:43 ThickAsThieves: so simple!

13:34:46 mircea_popescu: indeed.

13:34:54 mircea_popescu: turns out red wire was there all along :)

13:35:08 ThickAsThieves: and should man tolerate the reverse?

13:35:13 mircea_popescu: up to him.

13:35:20 ThickAsThieves: whether ity annoys him

13:35:23 ThickAsThieves: still works i guess

13:35:27 mircea_popescu: indeed.

13:36:09 mircea_popescu: btw, quick question : einstein had a) no girlfriend ; b) one girlfriend c) two girlfriends or d) thirteen girlfriends.

13:36:22 ThickAsThieves: a?

13:36:33 ThickAsThieves: i'm going with intelligence is a burden

13:37:14 ThickAsThieves: "Albert Einstein had half a dozen girlfriends and told his wife they showered him with "unwanted" affection, according to letters released "

13:37:34 mircea_popescu: :p

13:37:38 Diablo-D3: #smartpeopleproblems

13:38:14 ThickAsThieves: he married his cousin too

13:38:25 Diablo-D3: second cousin

13:38:48 kakobrekla: did he also eat the neighbors dog?

13:38:52 kakobrekla: smart people problems.

13:39:16 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, but reports show he occasionally ate the neighbour's bitch.

13:39:24 kakobrekla: you bitch.

13:40:57 mircea_popescu: now to fully establish the other extreme, since nobody seems inclined, we return to scriptae :

13:41:04 mircea_popescu: It's unfair to quote a 5 year old article but if Alone still believes _that_ analysis has validity...he's missed the forest of leeching for the victimized and disinterested trees. Many women invest their entire lives in what amounts to brazen fraud conducted and perfected to "catch" a guy who is then trapped with no idea how cruelly he's been setup.

13:41:04 mircea_popescu: Guys lose interest. And women, who hated sex remember (they're not that type of girl), suddenly give the con away. It boils down to this; what are they bringing to the party?

13:41:05 mircea_popescu: Emotional poison, lies, some shitty repetitive sex (I'll be more romantic when those who believe in the lie that is exclusivity eat the same meal for the rest of their lives), surrogate services, shitty cooking...It doesn't matter that I'm grossly making crude generalizations. I'm right.

13:41:07 mircea_popescu: And the market agrees with me. Alone missed it. Porn is a better product. If girls want to compete maybe they should get real? Virtual honesty v Virtual Deceit? This is economics. No need for hysterics or water works or expressed feelings. Awwh.

13:41:17 mircea_popescu: now THIS is self loathing.

13:42:48 ThickAsThieves: written by a woman?

13:43:13 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html#comment-27176

13:43:14 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus

13:43:16 mircea_popescu: some guy presumably.

13:44:08 ThickAsThieves: or so he'd like us to believe

13:44:16 mircea_popescu: i'll give this much credit to the entire progressive movement : while in the 50s there in fact existed schools and other torture implements dedicated to reforming otherwise decent, healthy and loving human beings into the sort of very sad victims of abuse described there,

13:44:24 mircea_popescu: it's rare now.

13:44:43 mircea_popescu: so rare that extant examples are almost fascinating for reason of that rarity.

13:45:05 ThickAsThieves: i imagine dating in your 30s in 40s these days is pretty much all online websites now?

13:45:15 chetty: huh? Looks like more of those schools out there, just different rules

13:45:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves betas shower the websites, alphas let the girls suggest girls for the club.

13:45:39 mircea_popescu: chetty how you mean ?

13:45:51 mircea_popescu: and in completely different yet very related news, "The problem, as the president explained it, is that Putin doesn?t understand how the world is supposed to work"

13:46:14 ThickAsThieves: projection?

13:46:16 mircea_popescu: inching along towards the "putin doesn't give a shit about the way i think the world should work"

13:46:23 chetty: wiht 'leaders' like that no wonder world is such a mess

13:46:29 mircea_popescu: after which, "putin is satan"

13:46:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00547308 = 0.3229 BTC [-] {5}

13:46:56 mircea_popescu: and now i shall proceed to read the log, so allow me to spam you all even more!

13:47:25 ThickAsThieves: one thing that isnt so bad about US public communication, is if youve any hint of doubt, you can mostly assume they are saying the opposite of what's true

13:49:01 mircea_popescu: pravda.

13:49:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 195 @ 0.06032577 = 11.7635 BTC [-] {10}

13:54:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0436 = 0.1744 BTC [-] {3}

13:55:51 mircea_popescu: nice one kakobrekla i tweetered it.

13:56:30 mircea_popescu: nicknode_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591212

13:56:48 mircea_popescu: you don't have to pay anything, unless you're reading a lot of fraudsters. then it's like i don't recall, .1 cents ?

13:57:51 ThickAsThieves: how will we protect ATC from such a fate?

13:58:01 mircea_popescu: this is a pretty good q.

13:58:13 kakobrekla: merged mining with btc :(

13:58:16 mircea_popescu: my own thinking is that if we keep a reasonable floor under it it'll never be productive

13:59:11 ThickAsThieves: i dont think it could be protected really

13:59:11 mircea_popescu: in general the best way to reduce irrational behaviour is to control volatility.

13:59:18 mircea_popescu: kinda the original thinking behind central banks at any rate

13:59:29 ThickAsThieves: all it would take is one btc farm to point at it

13:59:39 kakobrekla: go ahead and try to attack 'nmc'

13:59:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes, but why would they ? not worth it.

13:59:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what about it ?

14:00:09 kakobrekla: well, its much much harder than atc

14:00:17 ThickAsThieves: so basically we cant let it bubble either

14:00:26 ThickAsThieves: or itll draw attention

14:00:56 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves indeed. this baby will do a bunch if firsts.

14:01:04 mircea_popescu: first altcoin not premined, first altcoin not allowed to bubble, etc.

14:01:08 ThickAsThieves: time for the Altcoin Central Bank to make a trading bot

14:01:21 mircea_popescu: i thought that's why i wrote bingoboingo.

14:01:22 kakobrekla: how can you 'not allow' it to bubble

14:01:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla by selling.

14:01:30 ThickAsThieves: yep

14:01:44 ThickAsThieves: large holders need to give it up when it's time

14:01:47 kakobrekla: you cant sell enough if the things wants to bubble

14:01:52 mircea_popescu: try me.

14:02:10 ThickAsThieves: a new floor might be reached in the process

14:02:19 ThickAsThieves: but trying alone will help

14:02:28 mircea_popescu: economy may be a social science, but finance is totally an art.

14:02:35 kakobrekla: its math, i dont need to try you

14:02:42 mircea_popescu: :)

14:03:04 mircea_popescu: math is only the bus ticket taking you to the concert.

14:03:22 ThickAsThieves: "SchellingCoin: A Minimal-Trust Universal Data Feed"

14:03:25 kakobrekla: thats fine, i hate concerts.

14:03:57 mircea_popescu: it's gotten to where i can no longer discern parody from reality.

14:04:00 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you made that shit up baby ?

14:04:17 ThickAsThieves: ive said as much before, for years

14:04:58 ThickAsThieves: or are you asking me about SchellingCoin?

14:05:12 ThickAsThieves: it's a fukn Ethereum thing

14:05:44 ThickAsThieves: i cant look at any one line without pain

14:05:47 ThickAsThieves: "The main idea here is called “hedging”, and is best explained in the context of Bitcoin"

14:06:40 mircea_popescu: the schelling i was asking about yea

14:06:52 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/court-grants-order-freeze-hashfasts-bitcoin-wallets/

14:07:01 ThickAsThieves: freeze the maths!

14:07:07 kakobrekla: dafuq

14:07:17 mircea_popescu: lolwut

14:07:23 mircea_popescu: aaahahahaa

14:07:32 kakobrekla: A court in Fort Worth, Texas, has granted a temporary restraining order to freeze the bitcoin wallets of ASIC mining hardware manufacturer HashFast Technologies LLC and HashFast LLC, after a customer claimed it failed to deliver hardware on time or negotiate a refund.

14:07:44 ThickAsThieves: “It speaks to the legitimacy of cryptocurrencies and a growing understanding of their value and importance to businesses.”

14:07:47 ThickAsThieves: the pains

14:07:54 mircea_popescu: The complaint, which has a Background section with the question ?What the heck is a Bitcoin?? also contains an attachment of 30 pages of bitcointalk forum discussion detailing the history of the story from July-August 2013.

14:08:26 mircea_popescu: ok, i guess it's announcement time : mpex will not be honoring the forth worth court order, or any similar instrument drawn by any court.

14:08:35 kakobrekla: why so quick to jump the gun on this while bfl can shit in peoples mouth for years now

14:08:48 mircea_popescu: any bitcoins received as specified by mpex will be fully credited to the depositor in any and all circumstances.

14:09:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 830 @ 0.00084575 = 0.702 BTC [-] {6}

14:09:32 ThickAsThieves: so now courts need to learn to freeze teh geepeegees

14:09:50 mircea_popescu: courts need to learn the limits of their jurisdiction, preferably.

14:10:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00084036 = 0.1429 BTC [-] {4}

14:10:09 mircea_popescu: "At the time of the order, on 1st October 2013, 1 BTC was worth around $126."

14:10:13 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough...

14:11:19 ThickAsThieves: would it be fair to stop assigning a USD value in cases of stolen coins?

14:11:24 ThickAsThieves: 1 btc = 1btc

14:11:38 ThickAsThieves: what is owed is 1 btc

14:11:48 ThickAsThieves: etc

14:11:49 mircea_popescu: in this court, yes.

14:11:52 mircea_popescu: in a fiat court, never.

14:12:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, im off to scream at people who are entitled to their own opinions (over my dead body). bbl.

14:13:55 kakobrekla: ahaah

14:13:56 kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Egvl9VqgE

14:14:13 kakobrekla: i guess this guy did even worse than me

14:14:13 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:21:34 ThickAsThieves: so AM didnt pay any divs this week?

14:21:48 ThickAsThieves: yet they got their first wafers on the 22nd

14:22:04 ThickAsThieves: oh i see

14:22:10 ThickAsThieves: "The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption."

14:23:31 ThickAsThieves: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bKnU7W0YjEs/Ump234VWbOI/AAAAAAAAHRw/83ay9umkSHE/s1600/skeletor.jpg

14:23:41 VanCleef: no divs from now on

14:23:44 VanCleef: :(

14:29:44 Mats_cd03: http://nationalreport.net/bill-murray-stops-bank-robbery-tokyo-accidentally/

14:29:45 ozbot: Bill Murray Stops Bank Robbery In Tokyo, Accidentally - National Report | National Report

14:30:00 Mats_cd03: “We love Bill Murray very much in our country, he is very funny man”

14:30:09 Mats_cd03: huhuhu

14:30:36 VanCleef: should have been a scene in lost in translation

14:34:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00094095 = 12.7499 BTC [-]

14:37:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00094321 = 27.919 BTC [+] {4}

14:49:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1319 @ 0.00094458 = 1.2459 BTC [+]

15:02:04 moiety: good aftermewn

15:04:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.05976153 = 3.1076 BTC [-] {5}

15:06:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59269707 BTC [+]

15:06:11 Mats_cd03: good afternoon cuties

15:06:54 VanCleef: hey sexy

15:10:34 moiety: hows everyone's weekend going?

15:20:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59376997 = 1.1875 BTC [+] {2}

15:24:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59484288 BTC [+]

15:25:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+]

15:26:39 jurov: moiety, i'm at bitcoin hackathon... but dunno if such activity suits me

15:29:03 bounce: so whatchu haxx0rin?

15:29:56 moiety: jurov: not having fun? is there a fair bit of folk there?

15:30:45 bounce: .oO( lots of the fair folk )

15:32:10 moiety: lol // or is this the online thing?

15:40:29 jurov: no, offline in hackerspace here

15:41:27 jurov: but my hard of hearing ears are failing me again, i need one or few people talk directly to me, not scattered talking across the room

15:41:56 VanCleef: wow havelock is such a fail

15:43:27 jurov: did sth happen besides neobee?

15:44:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+]

15:46:47 VanCleef: just slow as ass

15:48:33 VanCleef: i could punch by monitor go out and buy a new one and it would still be loading

15:48:36 VanCleef: pos

15:49:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+]

15:50:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-]

15:52:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52610001 BTC [-]

15:53:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-]

15:53:51 moiety: oh i found it jurov, just hit the bar... it accepts btc lol

15:54:28 moiety: i don't recommend it VanCleef lol using a plug in monitor is such a pain

15:54:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-]

15:55:33 moiety: why is it so slow VanCleef?

15:55:55 VanCleef: bunch of shit cunts

15:55:58 VanCleef: that's why

15:56:22 VanCleef: probably becaouse of am news

15:56:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52610001 = 5.261 BTC [-] {2}

15:57:13 VanCleef: hope that was me

15:57:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52610001 = 3.6827 BTC [-] {2}

15:58:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.59523285 = 4.7619 BTC [+] {4}

15:59:07 VanCleef: sweet i got the 52's

15:59:20 *: VanCleef punches monitor anyway

15:59:33 moiety: lol ^

15:59:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44023839 BTC to 4`859 shares, 50221 satoshi per share

16:00:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60720341 BTC [+]

16:02:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-]

16:07:53 dexX7: am @ 0.54? ouch

16:15:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6074 = 1.2148 BTC [+]

16:16:00 Mats_cd03: bet itll go to 0.49 by tomorrow

16:16:04 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5959710#msg5959710

16:16:05 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

16:16:07 kakobrekla: lel wtf is this

16:17:11 VanCleef: http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/ageing-successfully-reversed-in-mice-human-trials-to-begin-next/

16:17:42 Diablo-D3: nice

16:19:31 artifexd: Friedcat says the chips work. Price goes down. /confused

16:19:44 artifexd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5967983#msg5967983

16:19:46 ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

16:20:25 VanCleef: what i think happened artifexd is that the page is choking up so much and people are in a panic to buy that they accidently confusing buy with sell instead

16:21:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00093949 = 3.1943 BTC [-]

16:21:21 Mats_cd03: ...lol

16:29:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [+]

16:32:25 dexX7: hey nubbins`, do you still have the "friedcat for president" picture somewhere? :)

16:38:04 nubbins`: ah! that actually wasn't mine

16:38:11 nubbins`: the one with granny blades, ya mean?

16:40:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [+]

16:40:53 dexX7: yea

16:41:17 dexX7: http://www.asicminercharts.com/Friedcat4President.big.jpg

16:45:27 nubbins`: that was the inspiration for the shirts i did :D

16:46:00 dexX7: hehe i see :))

16:46:42 dexX7: must be almost a year ago now

16:47:25 *: VanCleef chants "4 more years, 4 more years."

16:49:07 nubbins`: june 2013

16:49:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00597555 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {4}

16:50:15 pankkake: my friedcat shirt is already damaged

16:50:16 pankkake: scam

16:53:36 dexX7: well anyway. is havelock going up in flames or was the issue yesterday related to neo?

16:55:34 nubbins`: pankkake that's what happens if you wear it every day ;(

16:55:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00609199 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {5}

16:56:01 nubbins`: !t h neobee

16:56:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00185115 / 0.00207973 / 0.00242900 (6781 shares, 14.10264829 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00245529 / 0.00328800 (115967 shares, 284.73313362 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00357882 / 0.00567777 (513634 shares, 1838.20473331 BTC)

16:56:13 nubbins`: !

16:56:40 dexX7: trading was frozen

16:56:47 dexX7: or still is, not sure

16:56:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61599 BTC [+]

16:57:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61592499 = 2.4637 BTC [-] {3}

16:58:02 VanCleef: yeh neobee still frozen

16:58:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0449 = 0.1796 BTC [+] {2}

16:58:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61825499 = 6.1825 BTC [+] {6}

16:58:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006099 = 0.122 BTC [+]

16:58:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00739898 = 0.7399 BTC [-] {3}

16:59:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00609964 = 0.3782 BTC [+] {3}

16:59:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.62634867 = 12.527 BTC [+] {8}

16:59:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00094208 = 5.3228 BTC [+]

17:01:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 180 @ 0.00609998 = 1.098 BTC [+] {4}

17:01:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06948434 = 0.6948 BTC [+] {2}

17:07:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00609999 = 0.9943 BTC [-] {3}

17:09:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00609999 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2}

17:10:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00609999 = 0.61 BTC [-] {3}

17:11:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.056425 = 0.1129 BTC [+] {2}

17:11:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00609999 = 0.2867 BTC [-]

17:12:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.0061 = 0.4636 BTC [+] {2}

17:12:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62688333 = 1.8806 BTC [+] {2}

17:14:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19192 @ 0.00094393 = 18.1159 BTC [+] {4}

17:15:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.62835386 = 8.1686 BTC [+] {4}

17:24:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62893889 = 1.2579 BTC [+] {2}

17:29:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.045 = 0.135 BTC [+]

17:31:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.63809121 = 19.1427 BTC [+] {7}

17:31:56 mircea_popescu: i muxed the who ?

17:32:13 mircea_popescu: i need someone to translate the forum for the people who normally translate the forum for me ;/

17:33:10 dexX7: wat

17:33:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64506666 = 1.9352 BTC [+] {2}

17:34:27 mircea_popescu: "Yeah, come at me gobment bro! Ahm behind 7 proxies! MPEX got an anthrax email from NSA but he muxed it to double sideband at a lower baud rate and now he's in ur base, killing ur d00dz."

17:34:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6467996 = 6.468 BTC [+]

17:34:32 mircea_popescu: anyone's guess

17:35:35 asciilifeform: 'mux' - multiplexer

17:35:38 dexX7: haha

17:36:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know that part.

17:36:20 asciilifeform: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Double-sideband_suppressed-carrier_transmission.html

17:36:20 ozbot: Double-sideband suppressed-carrier transmission

17:36:28 mircea_popescu: that's the problem, the words taken disparate work, but somehow they've been put in a soup that fails to anything

17:36:43 asciilifeform: nth generation 'xerox' of a 'ham radio' joke

17:36:52 mircea_popescu: oh

17:37:20 asciilifeform: probably from a hollywood flick

17:37:25 mircea_popescu: but... DSB-SC is about lower power

17:37:30 mircea_popescu: baud rate dun enter into it

17:37:45 mircea_popescu: well technically better coverage i guess, since your power's your power.

17:37:54 asciilifeform: in hollywood, they appear to use 'shannonizers' to write technical dialogu

17:37:54 asciilifeform: e

17:38:00 asciilifeform: and get pieces like this.

17:38:09 mircea_popescu: ic

17:38:42 asciilifeform: where'd the turd come from?

17:39:00 mircea_popescu: le forum

17:39:04 asciilifeform: aha

17:39:06 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5959710#msg5959710

17:39:07 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

17:39:44 asciilifeform: loltron

17:42:11 dexX7: wait. you are herp?

17:42:27 dexX7: ah nvm

17:42:29 blackwhite: hola gents

17:42:34 mircea_popescu: ello

17:42:40 dexX7: hi

17:43:30 tg2: Lol hashfast

17:43:56 tg2: I told you guys, they aren't even building their own hardware

17:45:28 tg2: I know the owner of the company who is assembling their hardware

17:45:51 asciilifeform: very few people do assembly in-house

17:45:55 dexX7: ^

17:46:34 asciilifeform: not that 'vertical integration' is unheard of, but it rarely makes sense for a small electronics firm to buy pick'n'place apparatus, ovens, etc.

17:46:46 tg2: I could go over there and jack all their units

17:47:00 tg2: But there aren't any lol

17:47:47 tg2: Anyway, waiting for alpha-t to get sued into the ground

17:47:58 asciilifeform: one can get a pick'n'placer for $20-40K (USD), but it isn't magic - someone clueful has to run it

17:48:27 asciilifeform: like any machine tool, really.

17:48:46 asciilifeform: even the fabled '3d printer'

17:48:54 asciilifeform: tends to piss itself half the time, if left alone.

17:49:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00618023 = 0.1421 BTC [+] {5}

17:51:56 dexX7: related: i was approached by hashfast last year to be a forum shill with a payment of $15/hour in babyjet credits - i declined

17:53:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.64788461 = 8.4225 BTC [+] {2}

17:54:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00619694 = 0.409 BTC [+] {9}

17:55:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00619998 = 1.24 BTC [+]

17:56:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6554 = 6.554 BTC [+] {4}

17:56:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00619998 = 1.86 BTC [+]

18:00:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.00094573 = 2.7511 BTC [+]

18:02:16 Duffer1: i'm not even a little surprised

18:06:41 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/heres-an-idea-for-you/

18:06:42 ozbot: Here’s an idea for you pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:07:46 mircea_popescu: dexX7 you know, judging by the perpetual X is paid by MPEx "discoveries", "research" and so forth on the forum, im starting to suspect i may be the only one not doing this.

18:08:08 mircea_popescu: too quickly they think of it for them to not be doing it.

18:08:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can buy marine radar domes quite small enough to fit on a car.

18:08:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but i would imagine a better adjusted thing may be developed.

18:09:06 mircea_popescu: i mean, marine radar is not biased for concrete say

18:09:26 asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that a recent mercedes has radar of some form

18:09:55 kakobrekla: it doesnt work very well

18:10:46 mircea_popescu: they've been toying with "assisted parking" for quite a while.

18:11:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.66905732 = 14.7193 BTC [+] {7}

18:11:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06939704 = 0.2082 BTC [-] {2}

18:11:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, whosoever gets anywhere even near a deliverable with this tyhing is getting bought out in short order, and in the higher millions.

18:11:27 asciilifeform: afaik, the only parking-related car widget worth mentioning is that japanese mod where all four wheels turn

18:11:39 asciilifeform: moving the car sideways

18:12:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6747038 BTC [+]

18:12:23 mircea_popescu: that and the tentacles.

18:12:32 asciilifeform: bought out in short order, and in the higher millions << might be a little problem once the car behind/in front/side of yours has emitters

18:13:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you polarize the lasers, you use modulated radar, there's solutions

18:13:31 asciilifeform: then you get folks who go 'well, if we're already broadcasting, let's make exact position radio mandatory, like lights'

18:13:34 kakobrekla: mux it to lower band rate?

18:13:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla exactly!

18:14:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, the perennial possibility of idiots does not really constitute a counterargument.

18:14:17 mircea_popescu: i never hear anyone propose abstinence on the grounds that fucking may become obligatory otherwise.

18:14:25 asciilifeform: lol

18:14:28 mircea_popescu: :D

18:14:32 mircea_popescu: and yet it has!

18:14:38 tg2: I had one idea for a car invention

18:14:42 asciilifeform: anyone recall the widget the americans used in vietnam, that picked up rf noise from cars?

18:15:06 tg2: Proximity sensors on the end of your doors and hydraulic inhibitors on the door hinges

18:15:17 tg2: So your door doesn't open into somebody's car

18:15:25 tg2: it would stop just before

18:15:42 asciilifeform: tg2: that, or rubber bumpers.

18:15:50 mircea_popescu: rubber bumps sounds cheaperr

18:15:55 tg2: Nope this is sans contact

18:16:03 tg2: And it stops before

18:16:20 mircea_popescu: if anyone's seen cars in like rome etc... the even cheaper alternative would be "people stop giving a shit about scratches"

18:16:23 tg2: Not putting rubber door bumpers on my 150,000 merc

18:16:40 mircea_popescu: latin america is like that too

18:16:52 asciilifeform: i've always thought it odd, that no one, lambo or trambo, makes a car with standardized panels for the outside

18:16:59 asciilifeform: which one could unbolt and swap at one's leisure

18:16:59 mircea_popescu: no car contains a flat surface of as much as a square inch

18:17:16 asciilifeform: they needn't be flat and rigid

18:17:24 tg2: If it can be done with backup proximity sensors

18:17:31 tg2: That technology is already nature

18:17:47 tg2: Subsurface too now

18:17:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually even since the japanese have been working on their female android women replacements, i've been thinking "they'll make cars out of that skin material just as soon as possible"

18:18:00 asciilifeform: lol!

18:18:12 tg2: They have scratch repairing paint already

18:18:17 tg2: nissan invented it

18:18:36 asciilifeform: anyone have the ancient link to the piece re: korean students who go through 2-3 of the 'androids' per year?

18:18:41 moiety: they need robot women replacements with all the people like karpeles going over and buying their women

18:19:14 mircea_popescu: moiety think about all the time this is saving you.

18:19:19 mircea_popescu: kitchen robots were nothing.

18:20:05 *: moiety is happy with a toaster, you know this ;P

18:21:26 mircea_popescu: "even a blind toaster can pinch a careless nipple", or how did that russian proverb go

18:22:49 asciilifeform: 'Social skills will decline markedly after the advent of sex robots, much like the way electronic calculators degraded arithmetic skills. Because sex robots will finally allow men to be themselves. This will make men even less desirable to real women than they are already, driving men to seek solace with sex robots even more. The cycle will be vicious and I can?t wait for it to start.'

18:22:56 moiety: lolololol

18:22:59 asciilifeform: (infamous usenet sage - http://www.myrsky.net/danimal-archive-part-8/index.html)

18:23:36 moiety: i dont know any russian proverbs unless manuls are involved

18:25:14 mircea_popescu: i dunno about that, tbh. if anything, it'll remove a lot of pressure to perform from the mishoden, dysfunctional male humans, which'll make it so much better for the healthy.

18:25:23 asciilifeform: 'Some women might, however, choose to coexist with sexbots, just as some European women as they get older tolerate their husbands taking up with younger mistresses. The aging wife gets to keep her status and her stable home. She has all the trappings of marriage, but she no longer functions as her husband?s sexual outlet.'

18:25:28 mircea_popescu: take sports : a sport that's popular is annoying because all the inept idiots insist to play it.

18:25:36 mircea_popescu: a sport that's not popular is usually a lot more fun

18:25:54 moietybot: MOTD http://i.imgur.com/gdAGwfl.jpg

18:26:04 mircea_popescu: moietybot should be known as moietybooty

18:26:20 mircea_popescu: lol

18:26:30 moiety: LOL mircea_popescu i dont think i have a big enough arse to qualify

18:26:37 mircea_popescu: so work it girl!

18:26:46 asciilifeform: moietybot: someone ought to cross-breed manul with the argentinian 'colocolo' - to get a thicker-yet beast

18:27:03 mircea_popescu: or with an eagle.

18:27:05 mircea_popescu: to give it wings.

18:27:23 mircea_popescu: imagine! flying manul.

18:27:30 moiety: i just want one big enough to ride around on, is that so much to ask?

18:27:36 asciilifeform: most 'felis' can actually cross.

18:27:47 moiety: omg stuff your flying japanese girl covered cars, i want a flying manul!

18:27:48 asciilifeform: e.g. african 'serval' and housecat

18:27:50 mircea_popescu: moiety would you ride around on it naked holding a spear ?

18:27:57 moiety: so much YES

18:28:03 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> http://fraudsters.com/2014/heres-an-idea-for-you/ --- Futura is my favorite typeface, but the world seems to be catching on

18:28:09 mircea_popescu: we could call it "the walk of the moieties"

18:28:10 moiety: wait, can i has a crossbow?

18:28:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well it also depends on the application imo

18:28:32 asciilifeform: 'The in-laws won?t be as much of a problem either because the male in-laws will be preoccupied with sexbots of their own, therefore they will have less time on their hands to spend meddling in the lives of their relatives. At family gatherings, the men will gather around to trade sexbot programs, while the women will gather to complain about the men?s sexbots. Or may women will play with their catbots and

18:28:32 asciilifeform: be happy, while their Oprah-bots listen to them talk about their problems and simulate interest.'

18:28:41 mircea_popescu: but what do i know, my interaction with typo design was limited to being the phb for a few years.

18:29:07 jurov: moiety crossbow is fine as long as you don't wear armor with duck-beaked helmet

18:29:12 ThickAsThieves: it's certainly got more character than Helvetica

18:29:17 ThickAsThieves: no pun intended

18:29:21 mircea_popescu: helvetica is overblown.

18:29:40 mircea_popescu: jurov duck beaked helmet isn't so bad...

18:30:01 mircea_popescu: maybe she could have mmorpg style armor : something to protect her pubic bone and something on her shoulders.

18:30:14 mircea_popescu: because we all know that's where armor is really needed.

18:30:18 moiety: jurov, nah im not getting clothes so its cool

18:30:42 moiety: actually, pubic bones... yeah what mircea_popescu said

18:31:01 jurov: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/raharnett/Armor/1%20to%201%20Armored%20ladies/Best%20of%20Fantaghiro%20550%20wide/m_m_Fantaghiro154_kl.jpg avoided

18:31:05 mircea_popescu: moiety armor where the hair grows. it's how the greeks did it...

18:31:34 moiety: asciilifeform: jeez... these wee buggers have stripey legs....are you trying to make me have no free time at all?! http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/C4/C40A617A-375F-4208-9D7E-B2EB473F867D/Presentation.Large/Pampas-cat-.jpg

18:31:57 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/dc2043f30877570e1ccc2451e97cce1a/tumblr_n2psavBj7c1qdzsj9o1_500.jpg

18:32:03 mircea_popescu: that looks uncomfortable enough...

18:32:23 moiety: looks chilly to me

18:32:29 moiety: i do live in scotland

18:32:45 moiety: but.. manuls are soooo fluffy... compensation?!

18:32:55 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3pskvGwyE1rvykkqo1_500.jpg

18:32:59 mircea_popescu: somewhat derpier.

18:33:31 mircea_popescu: ok, ok, this one you'll prolly like : http://25.media.tumblr.com/e854664589be0afcb7ee9410996a2149/tumblr_mthdk6921q1reohnuo1_500.jpg

18:35:05 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/13295acff0139c305bbddf582bb1065f/tumblr_n2a1vkaRIu1s0wwqso1_500.jpg << and this could be your accountant/pass through operator / travel arrangements arranger.

18:36:00 asciilifeform: 'If the world?s most beautiful women want to be gold-diggers, that?s their right. It doesn?t ?humiliate? me. It merely establishes what I would have to obtain (namely, wealth and fame) if I wanted to bang some of those women. The actual women, that is. Technology may provide an easier alternative. And a more intellectually satisfying alternative too.'

18:36:34 asciilifeform: 'It?s interesting to consider which gender?s ideal can be realized first with technology. It should be a lot easier for technology to simulate Howard Stern?s girlfriend (for the satisfaction of men) than for technology to simulate Howard Stern (for the satisfaction of women). With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status. If every man had a $500 million satellite radio co

18:36:34 asciilifeform: ntract, they would all be merely average again in the eyes of women. (Consider that the average US working stiff is fantastically wealthy in Medieval terms, but modern US women have simply raised their materialistic requirements commensurately.)

18:36:34 asciilifeform: With Howard Stern?s girlfriend, the salient features are absolute: her looks and her receptive behavior. If every woman looked similarly good, and behaved as adoringly toward the average working stiff, they would still look good. (A man can test this hypothesis by viewing photographs of thousands of attractive women. Even after massive, pervasive exposure, they still look good. In fact, pornography can be un

18:36:38 asciilifeform: derstood as an attempt by men to democratize the experience of enjoying beautiful women. So far, technology hasn?t been up to the task?actual beautiful women are still better?but technology will keep improving.)'

18:36:43 mircea_popescu: sigh. they're not gold diggers ffs.

18:36:47 asciilifeform: (last turd. anyone who wants more can visit the site)

18:36:57 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/sa-facem-o-regula/

18:36:58 ozbot: Sa facem o regula pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:37:09 mircea_popescu: sadly, in romanian. but apparently same problems exist in english too

18:37:49 mircea_popescu: " With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status." god help us. that's the salient feature ?

18:37:49 asciilifeform: incidentally, this fellow, afaik, was not a psychiatric case himself, but for some reason enjoyed trolling usenet groups full of such

18:38:07 asciilifeform: 'alt.support.sad' whatever

18:38:15 mircea_popescu: good troll then.

18:38:26 asciilifeform: one of the best that ever lived, imho

18:38:29 mircea_popescu: and no, the avg working stiff is by no means richer than the average medieval iobag

18:38:31 mircea_popescu: not by a long shot.

18:38:33 moiety: i'd totally wear these http://img1.etsystatic.com/041/1/7659305/il_340x270.507047681_66jn.jpg and http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mHOZ9IRxq8LqUrOY5U6Fa8g.jpg

18:38:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform name ?

18:38:53 mircea_popescu: moiety you ever been in a corset ?

18:38:53 asciilifeform: dan mocsny

18:39:06 mircea_popescu: not a corselet/bodice/otherbs.

18:39:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds hungarian.

18:39:31 asciilifeform: afaik he's still alive, somewhere in ohio (u.s.) but only posts to groups re: competitive bicycling

18:39:46 asciilifeform: as to when is the next race, etc.

18:39:52 moiety: not a proper, someone else laces you in at the back one. mine had bones but laced up both sides instead

18:39:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so invite him over!

18:40:19 mircea_popescu: moiety yeah. they're not that comfortable to wear, esp for teh noob/peasant girl that wasn't raised with them.

18:40:25 mircea_popescu: that metal thing is that much less forgiving

18:40:52 moiety: looks cool tho

18:41:04 mircea_popescu: sure. pain usually looks cool on women.

18:41:16 mircea_popescu: honest signal.

18:41:21 asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.support.shyness/asmq8JHi00E/tKRODrKPI5UJ

18:41:43 asciilifeform: (apologies for the line noise)

18:42:15 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5wojc4dWL1rrf2v2o3_250.jpg

18:42:20 mircea_popescu: what better way to spend a summer

18:42:29 mircea_popescu: than cooking your boobs

18:42:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hmm, i should be on alt.support.shyness.

18:42:51 Mats_cd03: meow

18:42:52 asciilifeform: and if you need to cook something else, take the parabolic reflectors off and prop in the sun.

18:43:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk if that snakepit still exists

18:43:22 asciilifeform: this crap is very ancient history

18:43:43 asciilifeform: then again, a usenet group can never really die

18:43:49 asciilifeform: like a soviet satellite in 'graveyard orbit'

18:44:38 asciilifeform: much of usenet is, unfortunately, parked in graveyard orbit.

18:44:45 mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah afaik

18:45:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 646 @ 0.00631207 = 4.0776 BTC [+] {10}

18:46:06 moiety: <mircea_popescu> than cooking your boobs << lmfao

18:46:13 asciilifeform: herr mocsny was once called an 'intellectual father' of the 'pua' folks.

18:47:39 moiety: whatever happened to people liking other people for who they were? have i been under a rock too long?

18:47:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00649968 = 3.8998 BTC [+] {2}

18:48:23 mircea_popescu: moiety show me people who ARE something and i'll consider it.

18:48:52 blackwhite: so complicated

18:49:50 benkay: morning

18:50:04 bitcoinpete: morning

18:50:10 blackwhite: morning ben

18:50:13 benkay: met more crazy people

18:50:20 benkay: why ams bitcoinfolk so insane?

18:50:29 moiety: it depends what makes a person someone for you though. there arent enuogh people with personality now

18:50:35 blackwhite: because it attracts the best and the worst kind of people

18:50:39 mircea_popescu: ^

18:50:45 blackwhite: all the scammers with the ideologists

18:50:51 mircea_popescu: the best kinds of people often actually being the worst kinds of people.

18:51:08 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/bc0276413c99b37fbff1b0b57bf5d6e9/tumblr_n0rxoeRLA41raeqk4o1_500.jpg

18:51:10 moiety: glad to see you made it through the night benkay, did a neighbour pop by to feed you?

18:51:10 benkay: "entrepreneurs"

18:51:15 mircea_popescu: epic fucking boots already.

18:51:47 moiety: I want the sword :(

18:51:56 moiety: for my collection

18:52:08 asciilifeform: that sword probably weighs more than the girl.

18:52:16 mircea_popescu: yeah it's a decent bastard isn't it

18:52:21 moiety: ikr

18:52:38 moiety: bet my hattori is sharper tho :P

18:52:44 asciilifeform: archaelogists love to point out how lightweight most actual, historical armaments were.

18:52:56 asciilifeform: compared with theatrical junk

18:53:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, actual weapons exist to not be seen, but used. thatrical stuff the converse.

18:53:17 blackwhite: i just like the girl fuck all the other stuff

18:53:24 asciilifeform: correct

18:53:32 mircea_popescu: blackwhite you're not perverse enough to be here then!

18:54:08 asciilifeform: ;;google an officer without a sword is improperly dressed

18:54:09 gribble: Jack Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill; Badass of the Week: Jack Churchill: http://badassoftheweek.com/churchill.html; Any Officer Who Goes Into Action Without His Sword is Improperly ...: http://www.damninteresting.com/any-officer-who-goes-into-action-without-his-sword-is-improperly-dressed/

18:54:26 benkay: the girl is boring

18:54:32 benkay: everything is boring

18:54:32 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/e9dd3e0186471f51567b587874520eec/tumblr_mymc7r98ai1rlitzfo1_500.jpg << now we know where benkay cooked his breakfast dinner.

18:54:34 benkay: i am hungover

18:54:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0009467 = 11.9284 BTC [+] {2}

18:54:57 benkay: wat

18:55:29 bitcoinpete: and it's portland so there's no sun

18:56:09 benkay: no there you're wrong

18:56:19 benkay: for these current ten minutes there is sun

18:56:19 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/2a10ba9ae434659a77f1cfcbe1ec2c4f/tumblr_mz62od0Ovm1sdxszuo5_500.jpg ok, better girl, smaller sword.

18:56:23 mircea_popescu: is that some wakizashi ?

18:56:33 benkay: we have a crazy microclimate that's always flipping and flopping through various precipitation states

18:56:35 benkay: local chaos zone

18:56:44 benkay: mmm. reds.

18:57:49 benkay: so hey are we distinguishing between incompetence and malice in Bitcoin these days, mircea_popescu ?

18:58:09 benkay: i was under the impression everything just got lumped under 'scam'

18:58:12 asciilifeform: incompetence + persistence ~= malice.

18:58:25 mircea_popescu: ha! good eq.

18:58:48 mircea_popescu: "sufficiently persistent incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

18:59:11 moiety: i'd say this http://funniesandhunnies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/image_9.jpg

18:59:42 benkay: is that you and your daikatana, moiety ?

18:59:46 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1763472/plain/)

18:59:46 asciilifeform: !b 4

19:00:14 mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's her and her loubotin sandals. the sword's a prop.

19:00:41 moiety: lolnope i have a hattori hunting as my pride and joy, i'd love one though.. plus i am the same colour as paper

19:00:59 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/f9f30e28541c33bfea61fa7858deae49/tumblr_n22osz6Ym91rlitzfo1_500.jpg

19:03:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06894998 = 0.6895 BTC [+] {2}

19:04:02 moiety: i'd take the dog too

19:05:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23448 @ 0.00094684 = 22.2015 BTC [+] {3}

19:14:59 mircea_popescu: andyfletcher btw, get in the wot will you.

19:18:25 tg2: You guys blade heads?

19:22:31 andyfletcher: mircea_popescu, am on wot just wasn't authenticated

19:23:58 tg2: ;;ident andyfletcher

19:23:58 gribble: Nick 'andyfletcher', with hostmask 'andyfletcher!~andy@unaffiliated/uksv29', is identified as user 'andyfletcher', with GPG key id 502409E67767E3C6, key fingerprint 7104459391233F576A31B5CD502409E67767E3C6, and bitcoin address 17fZJ7UNTTxA2hrPLFvuNHbBnqpXJ31GB6

19:24:24 *: andyfletcher grins "Is me"

19:24:31 mircea_popescu: o hey :)

19:35:14 mircea_popescu: nice new pic bitcoinpete

19:36:17 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu the alt-twitter one?

19:37:22 mircea_popescu: ya

19:37:41 bitcoinpete: ty. it's actually slightly older

19:38:22 bitcoinpete: i just thought your car-minded piece was better directed at my car-minded followers

19:38:52 bitcoinpete: reading lots of ballas today

19:39:13 bitcoinpete: http://www.uq.edu.au/hprcflex/lt2310/sallust1.htm

19:39:15 bitcoinpete: latin too

19:47:31 jurov: mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls

19:59:40 mircea_popescu: jurov on it.

19:59:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a thought : how about rng based on measuring instantaneous polarisation of Nd:YAG laser ?

20:00:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: feasible - expensive

20:00:44 mircea_popescu: the garnets aren't really that expensive anymore are they ?

20:00:53 asciilifeform: and possibly subject to thermal effects

20:01:02 mircea_popescu: yes but immune to any em effects

20:01:07 mircea_popescu: such that geiger is not

20:01:24 asciilifeform: cheaper to have a johnson rng in a shield

20:01:46 mircea_popescu: are the aluminium garnets really that expensive still ?!

20:02:18 asciilifeform: regardless of what type of rng, analogue portion of circuit must be shielded

20:02:26 mircea_popescu: this is true.

20:04:56 bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete

20:04:56 gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None

20:04:59 asciilifeform: lasers also age very dramatically (less the case for semiconductor laser, but remains)

20:05:19 asciilifeform: of course, anything ages. geiger tube is good for a few yrs.

20:05:59 bitcoinpete: ;;rate benkay 1 helped teach me that variety speak

20:06:00 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.

20:06:15 mircea_popescu: yeah afaik ss lasers don't age that fast.

20:08:38 asciilifeform: a sane rng is always shielded, not only to keep out noise (natural or otherwise) but to avoid broadcasting state.

20:09:54 bitcoinpete: ;;rate artifexd 1 generously lent btc

20:09:56 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.

20:24:52 asciilifeform: http://io.ua/6346977

20:38:33 kakobrekla: looper-os.org down ?

20:38:39 bounce: re hud and laser rangefinders, IIRC jaguar went on discovery ages ago with something built into the windshield, and ir lamps+imagers. and bmw also did somethingorother along those lines.

20:39:03 kakobrekla: eh

20:39:06 kakobrekla: loper-os.org

20:39:17 kakobrekla: i always think of that looper movie.

20:40:27 mircea_popescu: bounce how come nothing much came of it ?

20:40:40 mircea_popescu: (ipads aren't particularly innovative eithger, in that strict sense)

20:41:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.006499 = 0.6824 BTC [-]

20:41:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems to be up ?

20:42:07 kakobrekla: im getting an error page

20:43:41 bounce: don't have details, but could well be a proof of concept thingy, like those concept cars that never go beyond the single prototype made.

20:46:55 mircea_popescu: yah maybe

20:57:21 moiety: i get an error page too kakobrekla

20:57:49 kakobrekla: yeah but for MP it will work even if his net is shut off

20:59:00 kakobrekla: we should use him as a proxy

20:59:12 moiety: lololol

20:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11949 @ 0.00094524 = 11.2947 BTC [-] {2}

21:00:03 moiety: the nfs site is down too

21:03:03 mircea_popescu: lol

21:03:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nao it fails for me too

21:06:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0064991 = 0.234 BTC [-] {2}

21:09:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00094699 = 7.7653 BTC [+]

21:12:34 moiety: i get a security warning now

21:14:20 moiety: they must be mid-fix because the nfs logo works now

21:14:29 Dimsler_: maybe someone is trying to steal your buttcoins?

21:21:37 moiety: i see havelock's homepage is only updated with the 'good' news and the most up-to-date is buried

21:22:17 mircea_popescu: that's how you do pr, according to people who have no qualification, training or experience in the field.

21:22:23 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5962028#msg5962028

21:22:24 ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

21:22:30 mircea_popescu: which one of you oops i mean which one of me is that ?

21:22:44 kakobrekla: dafuk dat thing is still going

21:23:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla dat thing is endless. mtgox will be long forgotten

21:24:00 mircea_popescu: "I am not publicly broadcasting my business plan due to its unique nature meant to take advantage of the market."

21:24:29 *: lnovy giggles

21:26:00 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93003.0

21:26:01 ozbot: Dank Bank Deposits - dank's soul is claimed - New music Nov 30th

21:26:04 mircea_popescu: pretty epic blast from the past

21:26:10 mircea_popescu: "Hello, everyone, my name is Dank and I'm here to prove my worthiness as an investment. "

21:26:25 mircea_popescu: "By the end of this year, 2012, I believe I will be a highly known guitarist/musician."

21:26:43 mircea_popescu: "This time frame may seem unrealistically short, for I have only started playing electric guitar towards the end of August, but recent realizations have led me to believe this is possible."

21:27:08 mircea_popescu: "Humans have been evolving exponentially for some time now, with advances in technology and communication lessening the time needed for the same amount of change to occur. Logically, following this pattern, there will come a time when more change happens in an hour than has happened in the last millennium. Through meditation, connecting to a higher consciousness within, and communicating these ideas, I've had the epi

21:27:08 mircea_popescu: phany that 2012 is a real event."

21:27:12 mircea_popescu: and i have to stop there.

21:27:12 kakobrekla: nice logo

21:27:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you notice it has a shadow ?

21:27:27 kakobrekla: yep

21:28:03 kakobrekla: its better than cognitive, even if it has less colors

21:28:18 mircea_popescu: but did you know that dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3d?

21:28:49 asciilifeform: '55 minutes ago: After an unplanned maintenance reboot, one of our fileservers did not come back

21:28:50 asciilifeform: online. We have people investigating, and in parallel we are rolling a new

21:28:50 asciilifeform: server with a backup from about an hour before the reboot.'

21:28:54 asciilifeform: (from me hoster)

21:29:11 kakobrekla: O_o

21:29:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 318 @ 0.006499 = 2.0667 BTC [-]

21:29:51 kakobrekla: lesson no1. never ever reboot the server.

21:30:05 mircea_popescu: servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore.

21:30:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, let the log reflect the new coinage "unplanned maintenance reboot".

21:30:46 mircea_popescu: "shit joe, reboot it see if it works then"

21:31:14 mircea_popescu: the power cycle that's intentional but unexpected.

21:31:19 asciilifeform: this happens every few years at nfs corp. but i really love that hoster

21:31:23 lnovy: you can fix everything with reboot... from stucked mouse to mysql table corruption...

21:31:30 asciilifeform: i don't think it gets any cheaper for low-traffic crap

21:31:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure it's perfectly fine for hosting a blog etc.

21:31:48 mircea_popescu: but still very amusing.

21:31:50 asciilifeform: that's more or less what people use it for.

21:32:07 asciilifeform: it isn't a rack company - all vm, afaik

21:32:42 asciilifeform: of course, i post so rarely that perhaps 90% of it is not only in 'google cache' but 'archive.org'

21:33:28 mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/strata.html

21:33:29 ozbot: The ducks in the bathroom are not mine.

21:33:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ^

21:33:37 mircea_popescu: tenants from hell.

21:34:54 asciilifeform: http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html

21:34:54 ozbot: I am able to move small objects with my mind.

21:35:52 mircea_popescu: like... penises.

21:36:49 mircea_popescu: "I have read your website and it is obviously that your a foggot."

21:37:50 lnovy: i god, i'm laughting like hell...

21:38:17 mircea_popescu: hey, did i ever tell you folks about the one time i got kicked out of a gay club ?

21:38:34 mircea_popescu: which is also the only time i ever got kicked out of anywhere, club or anything else.

21:38:42 mircea_popescu: i didn't torch the place in revenge, either.

21:39:43 jurov: what did you do there?

21:40:14 mircea_popescu: what one normally does in a club. drank and yelled at people.

21:40:23 mircea_popescu: what do you want me to do, dance ?!

21:40:57 jurov: lol i was not asking that in accusatory manner

21:41:37 tg2: http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/21o422/future_of_scrypt_gpu_and_asic/cgf6o1k

21:41:39 tg2: sneaky knc

21:41:43 tg2: can't say I blame them tho

21:42:10 tg2: I got thrown out of a club once with a $8000 tab

21:42:11 tg2: I just went home

21:42:12 tg2: lol

21:42:17 tg2: chepest night in a club so far

21:42:31 tg2: the promoter called me back for 2 weeks after crying and begging me to come back

21:43:02 mircea_popescu: they're too noobish around here to actualy have promoters.

21:43:09 tg2: montreal has a huge club scene

21:43:18 tg2: probably more clubs per capita than anywhere I know

21:43:25 mircea_popescu: timisoara is roughly speaking a smaller akron, ohio.

21:43:43 tg2: sounds.... exciting

21:43:44 tg2: lol

21:44:41 mircea_popescu: well let's put it this way... in an actual town ever working class cunts can have fun.

21:45:00 mircea_popescu: it takes a real hellhole to really select the funhavers.

21:45:09 tg2: http://www.renting-tm.ro/sites/default/files/media/sliders/c2.jpg

21:45:14 tg2: your women look very slavic

21:45:44 tg2: is romania even considered slavic?

21:46:20 tg2: I know that ukrain, serbia bulgaria are

21:46:29 mircea_popescu: nah.

21:46:31 asciilifeform: Ro has, what, 5+ ethnic groups ?

21:46:34 tg2: (oops, i mean... southeastern russia, lol)

21:46:45 tg2: but, all sides of it are slavic...

21:46:51 mircea_popescu: it's ~85% romanian, some hungarian, trace other dozen or so elements

21:47:16 mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you figure those women look "Slavic"

21:47:18 tg2: only by hungary is it not slavic

21:47:34 tg2: cheek structure

21:47:34 asciilifeform: the gypsies (any left in Ro?) aren't the least bit slavic

21:47:40 tg2: high pointy cheeks

21:47:44 tg2: lol gypsies

21:47:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some, yeah. a mil or so.

21:48:30 mircea_popescu: for one thing, "slavic" would be blonde.

21:48:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll bbl we can continue teh racism then.

21:51:43 tg2: this auroracoin aftermath is luls

21:57:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00094701 = 3.414 BTC [+] {2}

21:58:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore << i bet i'm not the only one who wonders why kernel-in-ROM never caught on

21:59:26 asciilifeform: (naturally, rom with physical switch for write-enable)

22:00:01 asciilifeform: one reason might be that pc architecture, almost always by default, 'shadows' roms

22:00:09 asciilifeform: that is, copies them to cacheable RAM on boot

22:00:36 asciilifeform: (executing from rom, esp. the 'serial' 8-legged variety, is dog-slow)

22:00:50 jurov: i bought such mobo with dual bios

22:00:56 jurov: but never actually tried it

22:01:07 jurov: ( gigabyte )

22:01:12 asciilifeform: typically these have a toggle that moves the clock/data line from 1 serial rom to another

22:01:20 asciilifeform: for recovering from botched flashes.

22:01:32 asciilifeform: these used to be popular in the wake of the '90s 'chernoble' virus

22:01:39 asciilifeform: but have mostly disappeared

22:01:55 asciilifeform: any serious pc user should own a rom burner anyway

22:02:22 asciilifeform: chinese units are 20-50 usd

22:03:22 jurov: one usually does it once in 5 years... not sure if it's worth the occupied space

22:03:36 asciilifeform: space?! they're pocket-sized

22:03:42 asciilifeform: or you meant, on the board

22:04:45 jurov: yes i meant... hundred pocket sized gizmos to be used once in 5 yrs + cables = several boxen labeled shit and "more shit"

22:05:04 jurov: it's annoying

22:05:07 truffles: yay shit

22:05:19 asciilifeform: a box with zapped rom is considerably more annoying, imho

22:05:59 asciilifeform: if buying a rom burner, helps to get the kind that takes SOIC-8 socket adapters, for laptop flash

22:08:00 cads: hey has anyone hear if something bad is happening with auroracoin?

22:08:36 truffles: cads into alts hmm

22:09:06 cads: doge for life

22:11:53 cads: about 10 days ago auroracoin put $300 worth of auroracoin up for any icelandic citizen to grab

22:11:54 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: "and I experienced complete awareness", lel

22:11:58 nubbins`: i've read that one in the past

22:12:19 truffles: not possible

22:12:30 cads: since then citizens have had their identities forged, the value of the AUR has dropped like 75% and now people are saying AUR is being hit by a 51% attack

22:13:24 cads: the chaos is kinda awesome but I can't figure what's going on

22:13:53 truffles: get a blackbox ull know it all

22:14:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00094734 = 19.0415 BTC [+] {2}

22:14:10 tg2: ponzidoge.com... lol

22:14:31 tg2: 8m dogecoin in 15 minutes

22:14:51 cads: Hilarious :)

22:15:01 tg2: shit is killin it

22:15:10 tg2: ltcponzi was $7000 worth of ltc in 45 mins yesterday

22:15:14 tg2: this is the new satoshidice

22:15:51 Mats_cd03: where do i acquire such a chinese made rom burner

22:15:52 tg2: dev said btc is coming soon

22:16:06 cads: haha, awesome

22:24:29 cads: thanks for sharing, tg2, that's delightful

22:36:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0568 = 0.3408 BTC [+]

22:37:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0568 = 0.2272 BTC [+] {2}

22:38:01 tg2: #dogecoin having trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that an OPEN ponzi where everything is visible is not really a ponzi lol

22:38:02 tg2: its just a game

22:38:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0449 = 0.2245 BTC [+]

22:38:54 truffles: nerds can be gullible too

22:39:19 tg2: whatever happened ot bitcoinsand

22:39:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2}

22:40:07 tg2: https://bitcoinsand.com/en

22:40:09 ozbot: Bitcoinsand

22:40:09 tg2: still rolling I guess

22:40:24 tg2: https://blockchain.info/address/1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg

22:40:24 tg2: meh

22:40:25 ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg

22:40:46 tg2: not enough interest to be a ponzi :D

22:41:01 CheckDavid: tg2: there's a game called bubble

22:41:08 tg2: :D

22:41:17 CheckDavid: Which basically is an explicit ponzi with rules

22:41:37 tg2: IPO are the last ones in :D

22:50:12 lnovy: the whole pc architecture is a big matrix, it looks and behaves pretty much nothing like you see it

22:50:23 lnovy: huh... scrollbuffer lag

22:50:34 lnovy: ignore plz :)

22:53:30 truffles: that game sounds fun

23:00:10 tg2: fk its taking a long time to generate a gpg key with 9 matching characters in it's long ID lol

23:00:11 tg2: Found 3256676 keys so far, running for 104196.6s (Rate:31.3/s)

23:00:14 tg2: ;;ident

23:00:15 gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None

23:00:40 tg2: 10 characters *

23:04:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00094857 = 18.0228 BTC [+] {4}

23:13:57 bounce: asciilifeform: acorn arm boxes had riscos in rom. nice and quick booting, too.

23:17:56 Namworld: Wait.... WAIT. Wait wait wait wait wait... Stripe will allow Bitcoin payments?

23:18:40 Namworld: That adds a good bunch of merchants

23:20:22 Namworld: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2114200/malleability-attacks-not-to-blame-for-mt-goxs-missing-bitcoins-study-says.html

23:20:23 ozbot: 'Malleability' attacks not to blame for Mt. Gox's missing bitcoins, study says | PCWorld

23:20:40 Namworld: Oh really? You don't say...

23:21:07 Namworld: How unsurprising.

23:27:52 lnovy: incomming!

23:31:52 Namworld: If Karpeles finds more Bitcoins and they're all returned I'll make the weirdest face. "He didn't scam, he just lost the keys? Had to try and find doubles in old backups of data? What stupidity is this?"

23:33:42 Namworld: Current odds of getting 100% back: 0.001% or so, odds provided by Ass-Pullouts®

23:34:19 dexX7: hehe.. the wallet they found was allegedly found, because it was in an old format that new bitcoin clients don't recognize

23:34:32 dexX7: or something like that ;)

23:34:44 xdotcomm_: tg2: dats a nice key

23:34:50 xdotcomm_: ;;ident

23:34:50 gribble: Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified.

23:34:59 xdotcomm_: meh

23:35:54 Namworld: Translation: "My keys!? They no work, what happened!? Oh, I have one here in this old backup. Maybe I can keep looking, maybe I find more keys in these old files."

23:36:29 dexX7: sounds accurate

23:37:22 Namworld: Someone, please do a retro parody of a platformer, called: "Karpeles and the Search for the Seven Private Keys"

23:38:20 Namworld: With coffee powerups, regulators and hacker mobs/bosses and of course collecting keys or fragments of keys.

23:46:21 jurov: Namworld don't forget protesters

23:47:45 jurov: and the end boss shall bear uncanny resemblance to mpoe-pr

23:49:40 jurov: chetty maybe you can make a little development detour?

23:50:14 truffles: a pr person that is total pr nightmare, only on internet