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00:00:46 kakobrekla: im not sure he knows mcd is a franchise

00:08:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0400041 = 0.2 BTC [-]

00:09:11 benkay: !up dR3___

00:09:11 assbot: Voicing dR3___ for 30 minutes.

00:09:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]

00:09:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.034 = 0.34 BTC [-]

00:09:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0400041 = 0.2 BTC [-]

00:09:28 jurov: behold: http://live.coinbr.com/images/manulcoin-fs8.png

00:09:42 benkay: i dunno why anyone would be going for mcdonald's when there are mircea_popescu's out there

00:09:46 benkay: "buttcoin", etc.

00:10:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.04000038 = 0.84 BTC [-] {6}

00:10:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.0742218 = 1.1875 BTC [-]

00:10:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0339957 = 0.5439 BTC [-] {2}

00:10:45 jurov: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves http://live.coinbr.com/images/manulcoin-fs8.png

00:10:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:12:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00445662 = 0.2228 BTC [-]

00:14:34 jurov: moiety: wanba be The Real Manulcoin ambassador?

00:14:37 pankkake: you mine it with Proof of Cuteness?

00:15:36 jurov: yes, every block must contain cute kitty

00:16:18 pankkake: reminds me of http://th05.deviantart.net/fs22/PRE/f/2008/002/5/e/Songs_about_my_cats_by_Sasolits.jpg

00:16:40 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: a.k.a. crypto-virology, a fairly well-studied problem that primarily (imo) affects closed-source crypto products.

00:18:10 jurov: yea, crypto-virology affects products, crypto-virus people

00:18:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00097488 = 35.8756 BTC [+] {3}

00:19:20 moiety: jurov: im all for anything manul!

00:19:48 moiety: paper wallets would come pre-shredded tho

00:20:09 pankkake: I only know about crypto-fascism

00:20:38 thestringpuller: ;;bash

00:20:39 gribble: Error: "bash" is not a valid command.

00:20:41 thestringpuller: ;;ls

00:20:42 gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?

00:20:45 thestringpuller: ;;dir

00:20:45 gribble: Error: "dir" is not a valid command.

00:20:46 moiety: pankkake: if you can find an elusive manul block, it'd probably kill your hardware

00:20:47 thestringpuller: ;;cd

00:20:47 gribble: Error: "cd" is not a valid command.

00:21:08 moiety: ;; dvd

00:21:08 gribble: Error: "dvd" is not a valid command.

00:21:12 moiety: aw

00:23:58 BingoBoingo: ;;rm / -r -f

00:23:58 gribble: Error: "rm" is not a valid command.

00:28:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 106 @ 0.001 = 0.106 BTC {2}

00:32:15 mircea_popescu: benkay wait wut

00:33:09 mircea_popescu: mikaeldice: I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well << not a half bad idea.

00:35:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00097178 = 8.1144 BTC [-]

00:35:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC

00:36:14 benkay: mircea_popescu: why chase pennies from paupers when there are guys out there willing to spend single-digit integer fractions of btc for tits?

00:36:22 benkay: !up sunshynez

00:36:22 assbot: Voicing sunshynez for 30 minutes.

00:36:30 benkay: !up skllzdatklls

00:36:30 assbot: Voicing skllzdatklls for 30 minutes.

00:36:42 benkay: hello y'all

00:38:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : http://bitbet.us/bet/600/tradefortress-arrested/#c2860 spammers can't 3forsex.

00:38:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the ny mayor is now communist, that guy is teaparty.

00:38:41 mircea_popescu: !up skllzdatklls

00:38:41 assbot: Voice for skllzdatklls extended to 30 minutes.

00:43:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 320 @ 0.00446071 = 1.4274 BTC [+] {9}

00:44:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00439967 = 0.352 BTC [-] {4}

01:05:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00097226 = 21.8759 BTC [+] {2}

01:05:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]

01:09:55 mircea_popescu: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/04/29/accounting-for-the-amazing-company-the-bitcointalk-standard/

01:09:55 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:09:55 mircea_popescu: lol

01:09:57 ozbot: Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake

01:10:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00097581 = 28.9816 BTC [+] {2}

01:10:43 pankkake: this was inspired by irc of course

01:11:16 mircea_popescu: i like the part where you actually use the rfc ~may~ etc conventions

01:11:29 mircea_popescu: plan may consists of acc

01:11:31 pankkake: eheh

01:11:32 mircea_popescu: spurious s

01:12:05 pankkake: I'm bad with s. even in French

01:12:10 mircea_popescu: which was rightfully kept secret s/rightfully/judiciously/ ?

01:13:12 pankkake: yes, better. the second consists should have a s though?

01:13:44 mircea_popescu: yes.

01:13:53 mircea_popescu: if subject is singular verb takes s. if plural, not.

01:14:02 mircea_popescu: niggers come, nigger comes.

01:14:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00457531 = 0.183 BTC [+]

01:14:27 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu what is this even

01:14:30 pankkake: while I should know that simple rule, it just doesn't stick

01:14:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this.

01:14:58 mircea_popescu: help me help you :D

01:15:18 kakobrekla: okay.

01:18:17 peterl: mircea_popescu: mpex.co still lists S.MPIF as upcoming, shouldn't that be removed now that there is a link to F.MPIF in the "funds" section?

01:19:26 mike_c: there is going to be a stock that tracks the fund that tracks the bitcoin economy as a whole.

01:20:33 mike_c: this will in no way create a black hole that takes all ur coinz.

01:21:03 mike_c: or maybe it will.

01:22:31 moiety: lmfao at W.3 pankkake :]

01:24:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.04000012 = 1.8 BTC [-] {3}

01:26:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04000002 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}

01:27:40 decimation: asciilifeform: I think the RSA keyfob hack demonstrates your point about yubikey perfectly

01:28:05 asciilifeform: decimation: wanna try a real mindfuck?

01:28:14 mike_c: ah, the forum is just not worth reading without mpoe-pr. "On average your investment of one BTC on that platform will have yielded about 0 BTC (dividends included) by Autumn."

01:28:18 asciilifeform: decimation: rsa fob is still mandatory in usg, megacorps...

01:28:31 decimation: how is that possibly in their interests?

01:28:42 asciilifeform: decimation: bob can fuck ten thousand goats, and he's still bob the bridge-builder.

01:29:04 decimation: right, but bridges still need to be built

01:29:05 asciilifeform: if you can understand how this works, you understand usa.

01:29:26 decimation: I guess if bob can convince people that his goat orgy is a secure bridge, then he's good to go

01:29:27 asciilifeform: bridges still need to be built << nah, we can cross the water on dead goats.

01:29:34 decimation: lol

01:29:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097132 = 4.8566 BTC [-]

01:29:59 decimation: apparently most folks can't tell the difference between a bridge and a pile of raped goats anyway

01:30:17 decimation: still; why would someone like yubikey watch bob and say "I want me some of that?"

01:30:28 asciilifeform: if you want a quasi-rational understanding of this crap, realize that rsa corp. actually sells

01:30:31 asciilifeform: (theatre)

01:31:05 decimation: the mind reels

01:31:18 asciilifeform: man never really moved 'beyond' what archaeologists call 'sympathetic magic' (as in 'voodoo doll')

01:31:24 mircea_popescu: peterl yeah.

01:31:33 asciilifeform: eat the heart of a lion for courage, of hyena for endurance, etc.

01:31:38 asciilifeform: eat an rsa fob for seekoority.

01:31:39 peterl: anybody want to speculate: will MPIF be actively traded like MPOE, or will it be a snoozer like the other stocks on mpex?

01:32:00 decimation: even the supposed security priests tell the people this

01:32:10 asciilifeform: bon apetit.

01:32:19 mircea_popescu: dead goats swell up if submerged.

01:32:30 asciilifeform: pontoon!

01:32:34 decimation: DId you ever read Asimov's Foundation? The part about the tech-men?

01:32:42 asciilifeform: sure.

01:32:53 mircea_popescu: peterl kinda curious myself.

01:33:42 decimation: http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/liberalism-schafft-sich-ab/ handle explains this stuff pretty well here

01:33:43 ozbot: Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus

01:34:27 asciilifeform: recently had occasion to meet herr handle, who wore his medals

01:34:32 asciilifeform: there was one with an md5 hash

01:34:46 decimation: heh I wish I could have met him in person. perhaps one day I shall

01:34:47 asciilifeform: (he lives not far away)

01:35:01 mircea_popescu: handle is a pretty good handle.

01:35:15 decimation: The Law Of Merited Impossibility is an epistemological construct governing the paradoxical way overclass opinion makers frame the discourse about the clash between religious liberty and gay civil rights. It is best summed up by the phrase, ?It?s a complete absurdity to believe that Christians will suffer a single thing from the expansion of gay rights, and boy, do they deserve what they?re going to get.?

01:35:15 asciilifeform: his tale, people were always saying to him 'get a fscking handle'

01:35:18 asciilifeform: so he... did.

01:36:02 decimation: It's not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it.

01:36:17 mircea_popescu: how is "christians" a thing even. the us is mostly neoprotestants,

01:36:21 mircea_popescu: and the silliest sects too.

01:36:39 decimation: Yes, read about the postmillenals some time

01:36:46 decimation: and the dispensationalists

01:37:10 mircea_popescu: these are christians in the sense penguins are awks.

01:37:57 peterl: self-identified christians ... reminds me of self-identified "investors"

01:37:58 decimation: One could argue that they are mostly in the "big tent (john 3:16)" but any of the ancient fathers would have turned them over to be flogged

01:39:13 artifexd: Anyone in here actually use coinbr and would recommend it?

01:39:22 peterl: I use coinbr

01:39:29 asciilifeform: flogged! hah, flayed.

01:39:29 peterl: seems to work nicely

01:39:45 artifexd: ;;gettrust peterl

01:39:46 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask peterl!~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user artifexd to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=artifexd&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014

01:39:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.00999996 = 0.17 BTC [+]

01:39:55 BingoBoingo: artifexd: It's a nice thing for using MPEx as a consumer

01:40:12 decimation: ascii did you evern meet that "nydwracu" guy in your DC travels? I think he went to college park

01:40:21 asciilifeform: decimation: sure.

01:40:35 asciilifeform: decimation: met him at a party once.

01:40:43 decimation: he is among the most impressive bloggers I have read

01:41:07 asciilifeform: decimation: i sorta got bored with the moldbugista folks

01:41:19 artifexd: The monthly fee bothered me until I realized that it would take over 130 years for that fee to equal the MPEx entry fee.

01:41:47 decimation: yeah, but he's among the few of them that has original thoughts

01:42:35 asciilifeform: decimation: they remind me of the soviet-era 'kitchen dissidents.' yeah, let's sit around and chat about how much brezhnev sucks.

01:42:41 asciilifeform: what a thrill.

01:43:00 mircea_popescu: decimation the way it works, as far as the orthodox tradition is concerned, catholicism is a bunch of ridiculous simplifications and barbaric nonsense.

01:43:01 decimation: I think you are doing more about the situation than most

01:43:12 mircea_popescu: you can imagine how calvinism looks

01:43:13 peterl: artifexed: and the mpex entry fee trends upward, while the coinbr fee trends downward

01:43:30 mircea_popescu: !up toddf

01:43:30 assbot: Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.

01:43:31 asciilifeform: decimation: i'm a believer in 'propaganda by the deed'

01:43:54 asciilifeform: 'if not you then who, if not now, then when...' etc

01:44:09 decimation: as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG

01:44:19 artifexd: peterl How does that work? The MPEx fee is/was/will be 30btc, right? Has the coinbr fee changed over time?

01:44:30 mircea_popescu: peterl given that theres so much info available about how the various pcs are doing, i imagine there should be some lively trading going on

01:44:30 asciilifeform: decimation: mr. m sold his arse to the vc circus

01:44:41 asciilifeform: so his opinions can no longer be regarded as his own

01:44:45 peterl: mpex fee startd at free, then it was 20, now 30. coinbr used to cost more per month

01:44:51 asciilifeform: sorta like losing sole control of one's priv key

01:44:55 decimation: yeah. haven't heard much about his little navy recently

01:45:15 artifexd: mircea_popescu: Do you expect to increase the fee again?

01:45:16 asciilifeform: it's still there, pumping valiantly to stay above waterline.

01:45:35 mircea_popescu: artifexd yes.

01:45:49 asciilifeform: i sold me moldboat for scrap iron, but still check on them occasionally.

01:45:53 peterl: mircea_popescu: having somebody actively market making for the fund should also encourage lively trading, I think

01:46:14 mircea_popescu: maybe yea

01:46:42 decimation: yeah I saw that. I think you profited on the deal

01:46:46 asciilifeform: lol

01:46:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00097617 = 12.3974 BTC [+] {2}

01:47:01 decimation: for a few days I entertained the idea of learning his crazy rune language

01:47:11 decimation: I realized that learning emacs/lisp/forth would be much more profitable

01:47:28 asciilifeform: i swallowed all of that crud whole, as it came out of the arse! who's gonna pay that back.

01:47:38 asciilifeform: but hey, cost of doing business.

01:48:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the story of the woman and the soap ?

01:48:08 asciilifeform: ?

01:48:27 mircea_popescu: at this ranch in new mexico, a very old mexican man with a very young and incredibly slutty wife lived.

01:48:28 decimation: yeah one of the unfortunate features of modern electrical engineering is that you find you often invest your soul only to get chickenfeed in return

01:48:35 mircea_popescu: everyone fucked her, all the cowboys, all the farm hands...

01:49:11 mircea_popescu: one day the rancher takes the old guy aside and points out to him that the woman is a paragon of indiscretion, with all the discretion and awkward shyness you'd expect out of a true blue american.

01:49:34 mircea_popescu: the old man is a little amused. "so what of it ? you think cunt is made of soap, to run out with use ?"

01:50:06 mircea_popescu: heads are cunts, swallowing shit whole doesn't hurt them any,

01:50:13 mircea_popescu: provided the stuff finds its way out too.

01:50:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a soviet variant, where the 'horned man', an old army officer, answers 'better to eat honey in company than - shit, by one's lonesome'

01:50:29 decimation: except, there are only so many minutes in one's life

01:50:41 mircea_popescu: decimation so you saving yours for later ?

01:50:53 decimation: that's a fair point

01:51:10 mircea_popescu: hehe i'm grateful for not having to explain it.

01:51:18 decimation: I guess it's better to have learned and lost than never to have known at all

01:51:57 asciilifeform: at any rate, the hilariously funny bit about urbit is that mr. m wrote volumes condemning american academia, pseudo-mathematics in algorithmics, etc. - and then proceeded to crap out a widget emblematic of same.

01:52:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, all women currently hated by their daughters for being insufferable

01:52:27 mircea_popescu: were daughters hating their mothers for being insufferable

01:52:30 asciilifeform: lol

01:52:34 mircea_popescu: and, of course, swearing to do so much better.

01:52:44 mircea_popescu: which was, obviously, quite an easy task, too.

01:53:06 asciilifeform: 'immutable data,' 'strong typing,' etc. - all crud invented by mathemasturbators in their efforts to pretend that they are proving theorems

01:53:07 mircea_popescu: it's only the insufferably devilish nature of the mothers that ruined it, otherwise being cool is straightforward.

01:55:08 mircea_popescu: "When people?s lives and careers are subject to litmus tests, and fired if they do not publicly renounce what may well be their sincere conviction, we have crossed a line. This is McCarthyism applied by civil actors. "

01:55:20 mircea_popescu: i recall this exact derpage published by... whatever, some libertard legal blog.

01:55:25 mircea_popescu: "o, speech has consequences".

01:55:54 asciilifeform: mr m & co got a few $mil from vc. i admit that i check back on these folks only in hope of being the first to see when they get sued by a 'diversity' werker for strong typing systems being sexist or whatnot.

01:56:24 mircea_popescu: by the way, did you hear about the renaming of semesters at mit ?

01:56:31 asciilifeform: !?

01:56:38 mircea_popescu: turns out semesters are sexist

01:56:42 mircea_popescu: shall be ovesters henceforth.

01:57:25 asciilifeform: these folks have sailed over the 'parody horizon' long ago - anything's possible.

01:57:30 asciilifeform: laugh now - cry later

01:58:55 asciilifeform: '1' is a phallic symbol! henceforth, only '0' is permitted.

01:59:25 mircea_popescu: balanced ternary. because lezzies are 10x more likely to live threesomes than heterosexual scum

01:59:29 pankkake: unless you have a font with a slashed zero…

01:59:56 mircea_popescu: (.) and (|) will be the new digits.

02:02:11 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

02:02:11 assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

02:02:15 decimation: speaking of "diversity" worker: http://today.duke.edu/2014/03/tybt

02:02:21 decimation: "But as the campaign has gained national popularity, its detractors have bristled at the effort, calling it a politically correct war on words that will stifle free speech and suggesting its true aim is to redefine terms to control public opinion and ? ultimately ? public policy."

02:02:52 thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6

02:02:53 gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> %diff

02:03:00 thestringpuller: %diff

02:03:03 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 170342.17 in 1921 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -62.59

02:05:22 mod6: what's up thestringpuller

02:05:29 mircea_popescu: "It?s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it."

02:05:37 mircea_popescu: he means, of course, "It?s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will have deserved it."

02:05:41 mircea_popescu: why is grammar a lost art!

02:06:26 decimation: because students were insufficiently punished in school for using poor grammar

02:06:45 decimation: I actually quoted the above from this link: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/17212/

02:10:01 *: mircea_popescu feels so nice and cozy in his nicely built brick housy. just like a piggy

02:10:19 decimation: I think future historians will call this era "the golden age of mendacity"

02:10:53 *: BingoBoingo is simply happy the tornados spared this house today

02:11:05 decimation: in the US it is customary to make a house out of the cheapest materials available, on the smallest possible lot (to maximize the builder's profit)

02:11:22 mircea_popescu: ah, to be rich, and powerful, and say nigger faggot whenever one feels like.

02:11:28 mircea_popescu: you know... i may be the only one.

02:12:26 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/04/donald_sterling_racism_why_the_los_angeles_clippers_need_to_boycott_their.html

02:12:26 ozbot: Donald Sterling racism: Why the Los Angeles Clippers need to boycott their next playoff game.

02:12:41 mircea_popescu: lol

02:12:50 mircea_popescu: http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/liberalism-schafft-sich-ab/#comment-3630 << i mean check out this shit.

02:12:52 ozbot: Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus

02:12:55 mircea_popescu: it's beyond contemptible.

02:13:11 mircea_popescu: "I think that this agreement, were it feasible, would benefit all concerned."

02:13:27 mircea_popescu: guy's simply managed to persuade me that he should indeed be lynched.

02:14:03 decimation: yeah I couldn't figure out wtf he was on about

02:15:19 mircea_popescu: <decimation> as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG <<< that sorta thing.

02:15:42 decimation: "land of the free" indeed

02:15:56 mircea_popescu: in general by examining the reality in the field, rather than whatever naive theories of the eager teenagers, one dicovers the opressed generally deserve it.

02:16:14 decimation: most of the elite are busy binding the next generation while they fail to reproduce

02:17:42 decimation: at the heart of the progressive religion is a great desire to cut loose the straps that bind the devil

02:17:53 decimation: all in the name of freedom, liberation, and enlightenment

02:18:14 mircea_popescu: i kinda appreciate the sentiment tbh. let the devil be free.

02:18:54 decimation: well, there is certainly wisdom in giving people exactly what they want

02:19:03 decimation: as punishment

02:19:40 mircea_popescu: generally, devils are a lot more fun than the pompous idiots cutting them free.

02:20:23 BingoBoingo: Who really wants to go to heaven if you have to live like a Saint while there?

02:20:31 mircea_popescu: exactly.

02:20:45 mircea_popescu: course, this may be a bitch for anyone trying to raise children or you know, live the life of X.

02:20:56 mircea_popescu: but hey. life's supposed to be interesting not satisfactory.

02:21:43 decimation: your orthodox fathers would certainly endorse that sentiment

02:22:13 mircea_popescu: moreover, all this obsessive, controlling shit...

02:22:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0045299 = 0.1812 BTC [-]

02:22:35 mircea_popescu: humans are supposed to watch half their litter impaled before their very eyes, not to pester them to death with vaporub.

02:22:59 mircea_popescu: in short, things are going well, for any natural definition of "well".

02:24:37 asciilifeform: in the words of a recent u.s. presidential candidate, 'don't impeach - impale.'

02:24:41 decimation: there is no doubt that the west suffers because of its freedom from want

02:26:45 BingoBoingo: decimation: Not freedom from want, freedom from intelligible want.

02:27:37 decimation: well, I mean "want" as in "want of the actual necessities of life"

02:27:46 mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking, they want aplenty, it's just they never actually confront it.

02:27:55 mircea_popescu: this pretense of wantlessness is lulzy.

02:28:15 mircea_popescu: decimation yes. actual necessities. such as food, as opposed to fast food.

02:28:20 mircea_popescu: !up go1111111

02:28:20 assbot: Voicing go1111111 for 30 minutes.

02:28:32 mircea_popescu: such as living space as opposed to... whatever.

02:29:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2014#646935 < there. health care.

02:29:09 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:30:34 asciilifeform: 'eat recycled food. it's good for the environment, and ok for you!'

02:30:53 mircea_popescu: i actually talked it over with a couple of people over lunch. it's our considered opinion that the difference between the us and the ro health care systems can be distilled in one very simple point :

02:31:09 mircea_popescu: romania does not admit tort proceedings for unrealised damages.

02:31:10 mircea_popescu: that's it.

02:31:13 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw95c75g7o

02:31:14 ozbot: Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life --- (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube

02:31:34 mircea_popescu: unless you can bring a bill of sale showing your eye is worth $100, you can't get $100 for your eye. and that's that.

02:31:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.00999996 = 0.14 BTC [+]

02:31:56 decimation: yeah the "insurance" doctors in the us must carry against unrealized damage claims is an incredible tax

02:31:57 mircea_popescu: amusingly, it has exactly zero to do with doctors, hospitals or budgets.

02:32:33 mircea_popescu: which is why the entire mess is so difficult to fix : like one of those old products of mad artisanry, nothing works as intended, everything's tied up in unrelated parts.

02:32:43 mircea_popescu: if the us were a program, it'd be discarded as unmaintainable.

02:33:25 decimation: http://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/corrective-glossary/ health care: any arrangement with a corporation in which you send money to them monthly and they sent you a brochure at the beginning, but may or may not pay you anything in return; e.g. ?With Obamacare at least I have health care?

02:33:26 ozbot: Corrective glossary | Rhymes With Cars & Girls

02:33:55 asciilifeform: paging herr orlov,

02:33:56 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunger-insurance.html

02:33:56 ozbot: ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance

02:33:57 mircea_popescu: such a stupid name, too. where were all the branding experts ?

02:34:06 mircea_popescu: it'll turn into "obama doesn't care" in short order.

02:34:17 mircea_popescu: why expose yourself so. i'd have never ok'd that stupid shit.

02:34:22 mircea_popescu: i'll make mpex and mpif, not mpcare.

02:34:55 decimation: "healthcare (alt.): birth-control pills and/or rubbers"

02:35:16 BingoBoingo: The complexity of healthcare billing in the US adds a whole new layer of hell.

02:37:37 mircea_popescu: "To be perfectly honest, those jobs are reserved for my children, but yours might still be able to find work as their personal bathroom assistants, if they are docile and pretty... let's pretend you didn't hear that."

02:37:48 mircea_popescu: is this supposed to be some sort of dirty secret or something ?

02:37:56 mircea_popescu: obviously. docile and pretty or starve. what of it.

02:38:00 decimation: there is little doubt that the Augean Stables of the west are piled with mountains of horse shit. who is going to wash them clean?

02:38:25 mircea_popescu: decimation james guy, quoted earlier.

02:40:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, enough philosophy for one night. later all!

02:41:49 decimation: he had a blog for awhile but it appears it was taken over by scammers: https://web.archive.org/web/20120717073425/http://james-g.com/

02:52:22 decimation: asciilifeform: had to switch to 4-layer. << did you do your own layout or did you hire that out?

02:58:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC

02:58:20 benkay: "unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'?

02:59:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 680 @ 0.001 = 0.68 BTC

03:03:18 decimation: benkay: don't forget that the lawyers get a big cut of the 100B

03:05:03 benkay: decimation: driving more tort suits?

03:05:11 decimation: loltron: http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_quarterly/NSA_Culture.pdf : "NSA will undoubtly have to keep staying agile, valuing qualifications (even if on paper), speed, productivity and decisiveness, while acknowledging the need for accuracy, expertise and informed decisions."

03:06:39 decimation: sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing"

03:07:59 asciilifeform: decimation: 100% hand

03:08:24 asciilifeform: did you hire that out << must be joking

03:08:32 decimation: hehe I figured not

03:09:36 decimation: what software did you use for the design? your choice is either crap open source or crap $$$

03:09:53 asciilifeform: combination of both

03:10:42 decimation: years ago I did some hand routing with orcad. It made me feel like a money trapped in a traveling salesman's trunk

03:10:50 decimation: s/money/monkey/

03:11:39 asciilifeform: i've yet to meet an autorouter 'worth the electrons it's printed on'

03:11:46 asciilifeform: but perhaps this is because i don't do winblows

03:12:10 decimation: weirdly all of the "good" EE design packages are winblows only

03:12:35 decimation: there is a weird divorce in culture between EE's who build hardware and EE's who touch software

03:12:52 asciilifeform: it was never entirely clear to me what makes these 'good'

03:13:06 asciilifeform: well ok, they'll calculate meanders for HF circuits.

03:13:10 asciilifeform: whooptydoo

03:15:04 decimation: ascii have you ever used 'qucs'? I played with it a little bit and found it to be pretty neat

03:15:32 asciilifeform: decimation: sure

03:16:07 asciilifeform: the only weirdo analogue piece in my current work is the rng, and, as you might expect, it doesn't simulate.

03:16:24 decimation: yeah I would think not

03:17:02 asciilifeform: (well, technically, sure it does. but to no useful end)

03:17:18 decimation: I assume that you aren't clocking the thing very high either?

03:17:26 asciilifeform: nope.

03:17:32 asciilifeform: what'd be the point

03:19:35 decimation: there would be no point, other than to make yourself work harder

03:20:46 decimation: http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/greg/WP002-100405-energycons.pdf Greenarrays has an app note: how to emulate a C machine on top of your asynchronous stack machines

03:23:23 asciilifeform: folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed.

03:25:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00456341 = 0.1369 BTC [+]

03:27:02 decimation: apparently it is popular to prototype the greenarrays chips on a "schmart board": http://www.schmartboard.com/

03:27:32 decimation: basically you tack the qfn down and then use a really fine tipped soldering iron to "push" the solder in little grooves up under the chip

03:27:34 asciilifeform: one day i'll actually get a hold of a greenarrays

03:27:49 decimation: supposedly it works, but it sounds a little hokey to me

03:27:59 asciilifeform: decimation: generally i do paste+reflow

03:28:08 decimation: yeah that sounds much simpler

03:28:42 decimation: that usually implies some cleanup too, but if you have a well-made board with good mask and clean contacts you are usually okay (surface tension of liquid metal is miraculous)

03:29:09 asciilifeform: mask, gold contacts.

03:34:53 asciilifeform: one can apply paste with stencil, or with pump, or even... toothpick. but this subject is beaten to death elsewhere.

03:35:30 asciilifeform: (chinese paste pump, about 100 usd)

03:37:35 decimation: I used a syringe, but it got really messy

03:38:31 asciilifeform: paste pump consists of the very same syringe, but farts out puffs of air of controlled volume

03:38:40 asciilifeform: (in place of plunger)

03:38:48 decimation: so you get a little blob instead?

03:38:54 asciilifeform: correct

03:39:28 asciilifeform: little box, control dial, pedal, two hoses (one to compressor, one to syringe)

03:39:44 decimation: sounds legit. so you have a hot air rework station too I presume?

03:39:50 asciilifeform: sure

03:40:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15551 @ 0.00097132 = 15.105 BTC [-]

03:43:52 asciilifeform: a hot air tube is

03:43:59 asciilifeform: 'nt terribly good for reflow, though

03:44:07 asciilifeform: i use an ordinary electric hob.

03:44:17 asciilifeform: (plus ir thermometer)

03:45:04 asciilifeform: steel anvil as heat spreader

03:45:18 decimation: what about the traditional modifed toaster oven?

03:45:20 asciilifeform: but, there is no shortage of material re: how to do this.

03:45:50 asciilifeform: decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat.

03:46:29 asciilifeform: generally, when making a few prototypes of something, simple tools suffice.

03:47:43 decimation: yeah I think the electric hob would give more control anyway

03:52:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00096946 = 13.2816 BTC [-] {2}

03:52:17 benkay: !up the20year1

03:52:17 assbot: Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes.

03:53:44 the20year1: yay

03:58:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.00999996 = 0.17 BTC [+]

03:59:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0775 = 0.155 BTC [+] {2}

04:00:52 the20year1: I'm free

04:24:45 benkay: !up random_cat

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04:24:50 benkay: hey random_cat see you tomorrow?

04:25:32 benkay: !up los_pantalones

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04:28:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0344599 = 0.3446 BTC [+]

04:32:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.511998 BTC [+]

04:34:28 joecool: ;;tlast

04:34:30 gribble: 437.8

04:36:10 benkay: danielpbarron: you've been accumulating some interesting ratings.

04:55:34 benkay: lol xdotcom xdotcom_ xdotcom__ how's it going cuz-o?

04:55:38 benkay: !up xdotcom

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04:55:40 benkay: !up xdotcom_

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04:55:41 benkay: !up xdotcom__

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04:56:00 xdotcom__: benkay: thanks for warm welcome

04:56:19 xdotcom__: benkay: socking as usual

04:56:38 benkay: errybody gotta eat.

04:57:06 xdotcom__: benkay: real recognize real

04:59:59 benkay: !up everclear

04:59:59 assbot: Voicing everclear for 30 minutes.

05:01:23 benkay: yo everclear that nick's unregistered in the wot - looks like you're sitting on some prime real estate

05:15:05 fluffypony: pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/hFgtAI2.jpg funny man

05:25:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1141 @ 0.001 = 1.141 BTC

05:27:05 Apocalyptic: .d

05:27:06 ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 121 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3837% in 0d 17h 15m 46s

05:28:57 Naphex: morning

05:31:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00097319 = 16.009 BTC [+]

05:50:12 fluffypony: Naphex: morning

05:50:15 fluffypony: how goes it?

05:53:58 fluffypony: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Average-connection-speed-EMEA.jpg

05:54:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00097218 = 8.3607 BTC [-]

05:54:05 fluffypony: that makes me a sad panda

05:54:54 Naphex: morning fluff, chillin drking coffee

05:54:55 Naphex: :D

05:55:05 Naphex: getting ready to leave for the office

05:55:42 Naphex: i think romania is a bit higher now:P

05:56:40 fluffypony: Naphex: they're 7 worldwide in terms of *peak* broadband speeds

05:56:51 fluffypony: so fast connections are readily available

05:57:00 fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down

05:57:05 Naphex: https://i.imgur.com/I3Dp3ZC.png my ~8usd home connection

05:57:22 benkay: oh the prison

05:57:24 Naphex: gonna change it to a 12$ usd 1gb/s connection

05:57:32 fluffypony: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Average-Peak-broadband-speed.jpg

05:57:49 fluffypony: 2nd in the EMEA region

06:04:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.512 BTC [+]

06:05:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51998499 = 2.0799 BTC [+] {4}

06:07:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+] {3}

06:08:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2}

06:09:04 joecool: Naphex: comcast is currently paying us for 75/15 at my office

06:09:15 joecool: not rly sure what happened there

06:10:35 joecool: i always wondered about the broadband rating for romania though, is it counting business/residential connections or just average for ip's there

06:10:50 joecool: (ie. run speedtests off gigabit servers all day)

06:11:21 Naphex: some bussiness actually have worse

06:11:30 Naphex: then residential consumers

06:11:54 Naphex: most ISP's focus were apartment buildings so thats what got cabled with fiber optics first

06:12:11 fluffypony: that's bizarre

06:12:12 Naphex: while some bussines or office buildings are still stuck to whatever worse

06:14:26 Naphex: for example, like 1.5 years ago best bussiness contract was something like 120$ for 100Mb/s (generic contracts)

06:21:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00096936 = 36.5449 BTC [-] {2}

06:30:07 fluffypony: !up BohemianHacks

06:30:07 assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.

06:30:22 BohemianHacks: Thank you

06:30:33 fluffypony: no problemo

06:31:01 fluffypony: BohemianHacks: there's a voice model in here, blog post on it - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

06:31:01 BohemianHacks: I like the idea of investing in real businesses over mining hardware but that seemed pretty hard to find.

06:31:17 fluffypony: yeah mining hardware is flogging a dead horse

06:31:24 fluffypony: for the most part

06:31:33 BohemianHacks: besides I would rather have fpga's to play with at my house

06:31:45 BohemianHacks: then I can repurpose them at no real loss

06:31:50 fluffypony: yeah

06:32:10 fluffypony: there are some interesting crypto-based businesses out there

06:32:18 BohemianHacks: oh hey I used to have a minor rep with gribble

06:32:22 fluffypony: you still do :)

06:32:27 BohemianHacks: really?

06:32:31 fluffypony: ;;gettrust BohemianHacks

06:32:31 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user BohemianHacks: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=BohemianHacks | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BohemianHacks | Rated since: Wed Apr 4 23:20:38 2012

06:32:34 BohemianHacks: I forgot all about it

06:32:38 fluffypony: from 2012

06:32:40 BohemianHacks: I think I fucked up and lost my key

06:32:50 BohemianHacks: so I just never used it again

06:32:57 BohemianHacks: I like this nick too much :D

06:33:07 fluffypony: lol

06:33:12 fluffypony: were you GPG registered or just with Bitcoin-signed auth?

06:33:21 BohemianHacks: GPG

06:33:33 fluffypony: ah yeah, if you've lost your key that's curtains for that

06:33:53 BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons

06:34:03 fluffypony: maybe nanotube can weigh on this if there's any recourse

06:34:34 fluffypony: anyway getting back to cryptocurrency companies

06:35:11 fluffypony: I think the biggest thing is that you have to make a distinction between a fiat-profitable company looking to raise fiat funds, but doing so in BTC for convenience

06:35:31 fluffypony: that sort of investment will most likely never be profitable from a BTC perspective

06:36:15 BohemianHacks: I think I'm mostly looking for options that are low risk low yield as crypto already has risk built in

06:36:39 BohemianHacks: Just to let my coins hang out and get some kind of return would be nice

06:36:55 fluffypony: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ <- that's coming soon

06:36:56 ozbot: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:37:22 fluffypony: ~May 5th

06:38:26 fluffypony: BohemianHacks: also this is a good read - http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/

06:39:22 BohemianHacks: So you like mpex over cryptostocks?

06:39:28 BohemianHacks: any particular reason?

06:39:34 fluffypony: yeah definitely

06:39:43 fluffypony: well

06:39:48 BohemianHacks: I would really like to check these guys out is the main reason http://www.bitcoinkinetics.cc/invest.html

06:40:04 BohemianHacks: and they are doing an IPO on cryptostocks

06:40:04 fluffypony: if you're shorting the stock I suppose cryptostocks is an option

06:40:35 fluffypony: but if you want to plug some money into something and walk away and let it do its thing, mpex is a significantly safer option

06:40:41 Naphex: site looks like poop

06:40:59 fluffypony: at the end of the day you have to do your own due diligence and invest in whatever makes the most sense to you

06:41:17 BohemianHacks: Naphex: that it does, which is a bit iffy as a tech company but they have some legit ideas

06:41:30 fluffypony: what is concerning about cryptostocks is that there's no due diligence done, not even the smallest little bit

06:41:33 BohemianHacks: I think taxes and other issues may halt them like many other bitcoin atm companies

06:41:55 BohemianHacks: fluffypony: yeah fraud protection is a must

06:41:59 BohemianHacks: at least to some degree

06:42:10 fluffypony: BohemianHacks: you heard what happened with Dragon's Tale right?

06:42:16 fluffypony: https://cryptostocks.com/securities/67

06:42:46 Naphex: http://www.bitcoinkinetics.cc/bitticket.html

06:42:46 ozbot: BitTicket

06:42:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00462306 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {2}

06:42:56 BohemianHacks: nope just getting back into crypto really

06:43:07 fluffypony: BohemianHacks: so some dude listed Dragon's Tale on CryptoStocks

06:43:15 fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale

06:43:16 BohemianHacks: I have been working on a bunch of other projects and I am thinking my payments will largely be in coin

06:43:19 fluffypony: just some random guy

06:43:24 BohemianHacks: so Im checking things out again

06:43:41 BohemianHacks: oh dang yeah thats pretty shady

06:43:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0344599 = 0.2757 BTC [+]

06:44:01 fluffypony: yeah

06:44:05 fluffypony: and a bunch of people bought

06:44:46 BohemianHacks: I need to get gpg set up again

06:44:58 BohemianHacks: Part my delay right now is that I need to be more secure this time

06:45:09 BohemianHacks: I had coins all over the place and stored in unsafe ways

06:45:12 fluffypony: that's a good starting point :)

06:45:23 BohemianHacks: I lost some but didn't get robbed or anything

06:45:36 BohemianHacks: so I am working out the best system for storting my coins and keys

06:45:49 fluffypony: davout: bonjour, professeur davout!

06:46:04 davout: fluffypony: ohai

06:46:11 davout: imma start selling my time

06:46:14 BohemianHacks: I would like a single key and a cold storage wallet and then just not worry about it from there. So long as I have a safe place to store some

06:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00097624 = 27.2371 BTC [+] {3}

06:47:00 Naphex: BIP32?

06:47:10 Naphex: http://bip32.org/

06:47:11 fluffypony: BohemianHacks: a simple-ish solution is Electrum; deterministic key (so you only have to scribble down 12 words and save them), and it's bip32 encrypted

06:47:11 ozbot: BIP32 - JavaScript Deterministic Wallets

06:47:25 fluffypony: (for your hot wallet)

06:47:32 fluffypony: and then bip32 paper wallet for the cold wallet

06:47:38 Naphex: or just use bip32

06:48:28 BohemianHacks: So what can I use this key for? why not just generate one with gpg?

06:48:39 Naphex: http://sx.dyne.org/hdkeys.html / https://github.com/vbuterin/pybitcointools

06:48:40 ozbot: 8. HD Keys (BIP32) — sx 1 documentation

06:48:52 BohemianHacks: or do you have some basic info on it?

06:48:58 fluffypony: BohemianHacks: this is for generating a Bitcoin address/private key from a passphrase

06:49:13 BohemianHacks: gotcha, but couldn't this site just keep my private key?

06:49:25 fluffypony: it's all JS

06:49:31 fluffypony: so you can download and run it offline

06:49:39 BohemianHacks: hmm

06:49:49 fluffypony: depends on the level of paranoia you're aiming for :)

06:49:49 Naphex: https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io download it and save it and run it locally

06:49:52 Naphex: if you want

06:50:12 BohemianHacks: and what does this have over bitcoin-qt and such?

06:50:30 fluffypony: BohemianHacks: for your hot wallet this http://electrum.org

06:51:10 BohemianHacks: VERY nice looking

06:51:13 fluffypony: bip32 is good for your cold wallet, you'd then be able to regenerate the private key from the seed at any point in the future, and import the privkey into Electrum / Bitcoin-QT / whatever

06:51:27 fluffypony: but Electrum is solid for a hot wallet

06:51:28 BohemianHacks: aaah thats exactly what I need

06:51:33 BohemianHacks: thanks very much

06:51:50 BohemianHacks: I will wait until i get home to my xubuntu, fully encrypted hard drive though

06:51:56 fluffypony: cool beans

06:51:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6917 @ 0.00096928 = 6.7045 BTC [-]

06:52:04 BohemianHacks: paranoid fun!

06:52:24 BohemianHacks: its always nice to store 37 cents in a 40 inch thick steel safe

06:52:28 fluffypony: lol

06:52:48 BohemianHacks: I still can't believe how many people use smartphone wallets thoughf

06:53:01 BohemianHacks: malware is way out pacing security on mobile

06:53:06 fluffypony: yeah it's asking for trouble

06:53:22 fluffypony: have you been seeing all the people getting Bitcoin/Dogecoin stolen from that malicious Chrome extension?

06:53:39 BohemianHacks: naw but I believe it

06:53:49 fluffypony: I mean, they have this dodgy extension installed, and then they go and transact on CoinBase

06:53:54 BohemianHacks: I thought about going back to the dark side, but its still not worth it

06:53:57 fluffypony: and it just changes the destination address

06:54:19 BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you

06:54:47 fluffypony: yep

06:56:24 Naphex: well don't run bitcoin transactions on browsers with untrusted or crap extensions

06:56:41 Naphex: chrome extensions run in ring0 from clientJS PoV

06:56:58 Naphex: so they can totally overpass anything with targeted attacks

06:57:07 fluffypony: Naphex: which is exactly what happened

06:57:13 fluffypony: my favourite are the "solutions" on Reddit

06:57:16 Naphex: be safe if you're about to sign transactions client-side

06:57:33 BohemianHacks: just use lynx :P

06:57:37 fluffypony: "if I have to transfer my coins from CoinBase I do it 1 at a time...it might take a while, but at least you can catch it happening"

06:57:53 Naphex: :)))

06:57:55 fluffypony: because no malware has ever changed amounts

06:58:18 Naphex: what about just keeping your PC clean, and maybe running chrome in incognito without extensions

06:58:21 Naphex: as a precaution

06:58:37 fluffypony: in incognito it already disables extensions afaik

06:58:42 Naphex: but a better principle would be having a clean not infected with every crapware/spyware software possible

06:58:43 fluffypony: you have to explicitly trust the extension

06:58:49 Naphex: or something bad is going to happen at some point

06:59:12 Naphex: those extensions might as well steal identity info, banking info, company secrets whatever else

06:59:40 BohemianHacks: Just running linux and a non-standard version of firefox makes things much safer

06:59:48 BohemianHacks: I dont really worry too much about browser side stuff

07:00:09 BohemianHacks: and I dont run extensions other than RES

07:00:34 fluffypony: RES is awesome

07:01:24 fluffypony: !up BohemianHacks

07:01:24 assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.

07:21:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 237 @ 0.001 = 0.237 BTC

07:22:26 Naphex: so... why not support something like this

07:22:59 Naphex: $ host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro

07:23:00 Naphex: naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IDAbYX4Pyv2SogoQghe9k8XhKyJI+hedb0uvryrNXhkD197beYw+g4XP7xsXdkcpWe3lH1BJMynqCIBX+/vUY8M="

07:26:58 fluffypony: interesting

07:27:19 fluffypony: what's the signature? is the message just the domain?

07:27:42 Naphex: domain + address,

07:27:48 Naphex: add another record like that for the reverse

07:28:01 fluffypony: is there a standard for this?

07:28:05 fluffypony: why not suggest it as a BIP?

07:29:46 Naphex: is just a quick tought, idealy there would be some other mechanisms

07:29:55 Naphex: to prevent dns spoofing

07:30:10 fluffypony: Naphex my DNS knowledge is spotty

07:30:19 fluffypony: but aren't TXT records always canonical?

07:31:54 Naphex: in which sense?

07:32:30 fluffypony: no wait nm, I just twigged what you meant wrt dns spoofing

07:33:10 Naphex: i meant someone hopping on your dns server and just setting all addresses to his:p

07:33:30 fluffypony: well here's something else to consider

07:33:51 fluffypony: if a malicious person runs a DNS server

07:35:04 fluffypony: they have a financially viable reason to spew out bad records

07:35:14 fluffypony: so the only way to do it as a standard

07:35:57 fluffypony: would be to force the bitcoin client to get it from the root ns' for that domain

07:38:31 Naphex: well you can do dnssec and stuff

07:38:35 Naphex: too authenticate the data

07:39:29 fluffypony: I like the idea

07:39:31 Naphex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System_Security_Extensions

07:39:32 ozbot: Domain Name System Security Extensions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

07:39:52 Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec

07:40:00 fluffypony: cool

07:40:05 Naphex: so you can make sure to query /

07:40:30 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100253.0

07:40:31 ozbot: Supply Bitcoin addresses in DNS records

07:40:32 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31716.0

07:40:33 ozbot: Bitcoin DNS addresses

07:40:42 fluffypony: looks like it comes up every year

07:41:05 fluffypony: and nobody runs with it

07:42:26 fluffypony: Naphex: I think this is going to be the preferred solution once it's in common use - https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0070.mediawiki

07:43:20 fluffypony: (at least for merchants and services)

07:43:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95894 @ 0.00097678 = 93.6673 BTC [+] {5}

07:45:17 Naphex: yeah i know bip70

07:45:43 fluffypony: dude you should seriously put this up as a BIP for discussion

07:46:04 Naphex: you could still stick to the dns and use x509/pki in the same way

07:46:09 Naphex: or use gpg

07:46:18 *: fluffypony ponders

07:46:20 fluffypony: I wonder

07:46:42 Naphex: but with dnssec you can move validation up

07:46:45 fluffypony: is there any issue with having lots of txt records?

07:46:50 Naphex: bip70 you will have to validate the pki

07:47:11 Naphex: nah, and you lookup specific txt records

07:47:15 fluffypony: ok so

07:47:25 fluffypony: why not have a user@domain standard

07:47:32 fluffypony: instead of for the whole domain

07:47:45 fluffypony: so if I send moneyz to naphex@btcxchange.ro

07:47:54 fluffypony: it looks up the txt record for you

07:47:54 fluffypony: verifies

07:47:57 Naphex: you can use whatever as long as it rezolves and validates

07:48:29 fluffypony: in fact

07:48:42 fluffypony: that could work for merchants too if it's a BIP71 compatible URI

07:48:58 Naphex: aye, or anyone just a lookup function

07:49:44 Naphex: you can go dynamic on it using bip32 pub keys, or have custom dns software deliver unique addresses

07:50:48 fluffypony: ok but for the sake of simplicity a person in control of their DNS records can just add a TXT record for themselves with their BTC addy + signature, right?

07:50:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1900 @ 0.00006104 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5}

07:51:04 Naphex: yep

07:51:14 Naphex: and dnssec setup if he wants to authenticate that data

07:51:21 fluffypony: cool

07:52:30 Naphex: i might set up a play service this weekend

07:52:38 Naphex: vacation time in romania, might as well have some fun

07:53:01 fluffypony: cool beans

07:53:14 fluffypony: once everyone reads through this log I'm sure there will be some input

07:53:28 fluffypony: and then let's plz BIP it, I'll do the grunt work of writing the BIP if you're feeling lazy

07:55:08 Naphex: i'll build up a service and see if we can poke holes in it, dnssec sign each zone, and reverse/point fowards for the addresses

07:56:18 Naphex: or another record field, where you can reverse associate the address to the specific dns signature

07:56:23 fluffypony: sounds good

07:56:33 Naphex: so atleast you're setting up trust in all ways, and can be verified

07:57:50 Naphex: mircea will like it cause you can use GPG directories/certs http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssec-certs-04#section-3.2

08:04:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00096908 = 20.5445 BTC [-]

08:08:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 536 @ 0.00020062 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {2}

08:45:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0336663 = 0.1683 BTC [-]

08:58:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00097627 = 14.4976 BTC [+]

09:22:46 jurov: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/04/29/accounting-for-the-amazing-company-the-bitcointalk-standard/ show some love for pankkake :)

09:22:46 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

09:22:47 ozbot: Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake

09:27:57 jurov: i love when i register for various crap and then get sudden lulzies

09:28:14 jurov: "..some of the pre-reserved domains will soon be available for purchase. The domain(s) in question are: bitcoin.bargains bitcoin.cheap"

09:28:24 fluffypony: lol

09:30:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0344597 = 0.5858 BTC [+] {2}

09:31:03 jurov: !up BohemianHacks

09:31:03 assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.

09:31:17 jurov: !up MiningBuddy-

09:31:17 assbot: Voicing MiningBuddy- for 30 minutes.

09:31:30 jurov: !up phish

09:31:30 assbot: Voicing phish for 30 minutes.

09:32:06 BohemianHacks: Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D

09:32:41 jurov: speaking is not compulsory

09:32:47 jurov: just feels so :)

09:38:50 BingoBoingo: Logging on you own though... You never know when assbot will go down

09:42:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC

09:43:10 fluffypony: kakobrekla should host assbot on the MaidSafe (tm) network

09:43:20 fluffypony: for only a few SafeCoins (tm) a day (tm)

09:43:38 fluffypony: oh wait nm, they don't actually have a product

09:46:34 fluffypony: http://blog.maidsafe.net/2014/04/23/maidsafe-sells-6-million-of-bitcoin-2-0-software-in-five-hours-press-release/

09:46:35 ozbot: MaidSafe Sells $6 Million of Bitcoin 2.0 Software in Five Hours – Press Release | MaidSafe

09:47:03 fluffypony: oh wow, I didn't know that we're already on Bitcoin 2.0

09:47:10 fluffypony: when Bitcoin 1.0 hadn't been released yet

09:50:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00012414 = 0.1862 BTC [+]

09:57:41 BingoBoingo: There is no real Bitcoin after 0.7

10:03:21 jurov: can it be shorted?

10:03:45 fluffypony: jurov: I don't think so

10:03:57 jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol

10:04:00 fluffypony: I don't see any concrete plans for trading "stock" in the company

10:04:11 fluffypony: except "ohai mastercoin"

10:04:13 jurov: no i mean mastercoins as such

10:04:17 fluffypony: oic oic

10:04:18 fluffypony: I have nfi

10:05:55 jurov: morning mircea

10:06:09 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: guten Tag

10:06:20 mircea_popescu: hey!

10:06:25 mircea_popescu: %t

10:06:29 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 225 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 35k High: 200 Low: 160 VWAP: 190

10:06:36 fluffypony: Ce mai faci?

10:06:40 mircea_popescu: bine!

10:07:18 mircea_popescu: tu ce mai faci ?

10:07:31 fluffypony: Mulţumesc, bine

10:07:50 mircea_popescu: o hey look at that, special chars.

10:08:00 mircea_popescu: did you set up a ro kbd just to impress me ?

10:08:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00447518 = 0.179 BTC [-]

10:08:38 fluffypony: lol

10:08:45 fluffypony: cut-and-paste from a Romanian phrasebook

10:08:46 fluffypony: much easier

10:09:10 fluffypony: the pronunciation is trippy compared to Italian

10:09:39 fluffypony: except Salut, which is pretty universal ;)

10:09:40 mircea_popescu: yea.

10:11:25 mircea_popescu: consulem romanorum regii Pyrrhi salutem

10:11:29 mircea_popescu: what's that say ?

10:11:51 *: fluffypony consults the phrase book

10:12:06 mircea_popescu: lol

10:12:26 mircea_popescu: i doubt the web has reached that deep into the classical antiquity yet/

10:12:27 fluffypony: Romanian looks more like Latin than Italian does

10:13:08 BingoBoingo: It's latin..

10:13:20 fluffypony: oh

10:13:23 fluffypony: well there you go

10:13:35 fluffypony: no wonder the Romanian phrasebook wasn't helping me

10:13:51 mircea_popescu: lol

10:14:10 mircea_popescu: well it does salut in it, which is pretty universal. and orbiversal.

10:14:38 mircea_popescu: (this is a joke. based on "urbi et orbi", literally "to the town and to the globe")

10:14:47 fluffypony: lol

10:14:53 fluffypony: you literally broke my brain

10:15:00 mircea_popescu: you're numerically welcome.

10:15:09 fluffypony: literally hitler

10:15:26 fluffypony: hmmmmm...numerically hitler would be interesting

10:18:20 mircea_popescu: benkay:

10:18:20 mircea_popescu: "unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'? << exactly.

10:19:00 mircea_popescu: decimation: sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing" << bounce disagrees, argue with him, i'd like to watch. ty both :)

10:20:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0678 = 0.2034 BTC [+]

10:25:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed. << you know back i nthe day one way to make the old impossible amiga games playable was to downclock the damned things

10:27:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat. << you know stan, i hear 500 bucks buys one quite a few acres of open land in patagonia. and since it never rains... don't even really need a roof.

10:27:28 mircea_popescu: build a succession of spacious yurts.

10:28:22 mircea_popescu: i suspect this would be the ideal living arrangement for the true hardware engineer : much like a silkworm's. built a yurt roughly 10 body lengths in diameter, fill it with material slower.

10:28:36 mircea_popescu: when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old one you wish.

10:29:02 mircea_popescu: keep doing this. at any point you want something from the oild yurts, just go drag it to the current one. (never ever move stuff back tho, only forward)

10:29:24 mircea_popescu: there's probably a yurting period one could observe over the duration of his life, if he had the freedom do live in a manner adequate to his own manner.

10:30:21 mircea_popescu: you could have a million acres dedicated to this, like a sort of modern silicon valley / smarts farm. each accepted person gets his own line.

10:30:40 mircea_popescu: see who gets the furthest. "bob is so much further ahead of me" finally means something, geographically. etc.

10:32:32 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that makes me a sad panda << you can take solace in the knowledge that the thing is complete bs.

10:33:19 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: our Internet is shitty tho

10:33:19 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down << nope. you can't currently get anything under 100mbps even if you want to pay specifically for it. it's just not economical to maintain the old stuff.

10:33:26 mircea_popescu: that it may be yea

10:35:00 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that's bizarre << now you understand romania.

10:35:07 fluffypony: lol

10:36:20 mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons << either that, or tend to try and social engineer off old dormant cool sounding nicks.

10:37:06 mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: So you like mpex over cryptostocks? << lol ok this shit's epic.

10:37:17 mircea_popescu: one day i'll understand how it works.

10:37:55 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: nickserv says otherwise

10:38:04 fluffypony: and his github

10:38:30 mircea_popescu: fluffypony nickserv is not authoritative. freenode gives away names and chans that were abandoined.

10:38:32 mircea_popescu: you just have to ask.

10:38:41 mircea_popescu: what's his github say ?

10:38:42 fluffypony: I know, but then the registration info changes

10:38:54 fluffypony: because they drop the nick

10:38:57 fluffypony: and let you register it

10:39:06 mircea_popescu: this is a point actually.

10:39:19 fluffypony: https://github.com/BohemianHacks

10:40:19 mircea_popescu: fluffypony but that is the github of someone named thus.

10:40:39 mircea_popescu: you understand ? identity is a flimsy beast.

10:40:44 fluffypony: I do

10:41:03 mircea_popescu: good cause i think many people don't. to judge by the banks etc at least.

10:41:09 mircea_popescu: !up BohemianHacks

10:41:09 assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.

10:41:16 fluffypony: which is why losing your privkeys generally == identity suicide

10:41:44 fluffypony: I think we're talking in his absence - [11:32:06] <+BohemianHacks> Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D

10:41:56 mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks so i'm very curious, how did you proceed to come to the idea that mpex and cryptostocks are in any sense tyhe same thing, or in any way comparable ?

10:42:17 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well maybe he gets through the logs.

10:42:25 fluffypony: tru dat

10:42:33 BohemianHacks: because they are both coin investment platforms, thats pretty similar

10:42:46 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I invited him in here as he was expressing an interest in investing in crypto-based stocks

10:42:47 BohemianHacks: a quick google puts them in the same group, so its not like that is wildly off base

10:42:57 fluffypony: thought it best for him to get some proper info :)

10:43:02 mircea_popescu: so in the sense of "stuff to do with bitcoin" ?

10:43:22 BohemianHacks: no, you are investing your coin in the hope to get a return

10:43:28 BohemianHacks: lotteries, stocks, funds

10:43:34 BohemianHacks: all fall under that umbrella

10:43:35 mircea_popescu: but you can't invest in a lottery.

10:43:42 mircea_popescu: i guess there's the disconnect. aite.

10:43:50 BohemianHacks: sure you can, its a poor one but you can

10:44:05 BohemianHacks: buying 1000 lottery tickets usually wont pay out, but its an investment to some people

10:44:08 mircea_popescu: this poor word invest. it happens to be a term of art in finance, of course, but it's been (recently, since the internet) been coopted as a colloquialism

10:44:32 BohemianHacks: "expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."

10:44:50 mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks you can't, for the following reason : in order for something t obe an investment, it requires two things. a) that you've done research and b) that the research indicates +EV.

10:45:06 BohemianHacks: no thats just good investing

10:45:07 mircea_popescu: now, lotteries fail on b. and if you're not aware of this, it fails on a.

10:45:48 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think the word has been coopted by the Jimmothy School of Smart Investmenting

10:46:02 mircea_popescu: well sure, i guess in the sense of, "good dentistry" is what happens at the dentist's office, and plain dentistry is what happens at the bare

10:46:08 mircea_popescu: once the punches start flrying

10:46:18 mircea_popescu: bar*

10:46:32 BohemianHacks: No as in the definition of the word

10:46:46 mircea_popescu: the "definition of the word" according to whom ?

10:47:11 BohemianHacks: "the profession or science dealing with the prevention and treatment of diseases and malformations of the teeth, gums, and oral cavity, and the removal, correction, and replacement of decayed, damaged, or lost parts, including such operations as the filling and crowning of teeth, the straightening of teeth, and the construction of artificial dentures. "

10:47:20 BohemianHacks: dentistry ^

10:47:27 BohemianHacks: the dictionary dude, we have these things for a reason

10:47:31 BohemianHacks: "expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."

10:47:33 BohemianHacks: ^invest

10:48:22 mircea_popescu: "the dictionary" is meaningless.

10:48:24 mircea_popescu: "we" similarly.

10:48:32 mircea_popescu: did you mean a webpage somewhere ?

10:48:49 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: don't be too pedantic with the newbies :-P

10:48:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00097627 = 11.5034 BTC [+]

10:49:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, to continue the saga of the poor word "invest" : originally, it denoted the act of comitting your army to a siege. which was, expensive and dangerous a proceeding.

10:49:11 BohemianHacks: meh, this is a waste of time. I get you are trying to prove a point about safe investing, but thats the definition of the word. Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing.

10:49:20 mircea_popescu: then the merchants stole it, because at the time the only thing the town merchant feared was the soldier, so he wanted to steal his stuff.

10:49:36 mircea_popescu: similarly today, the only thing the city poor / welfare bunnies fear is the 19th century capitalist

10:49:39 mircea_popescu: and so...

10:50:00 mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks im not trying to prove anything really, i'm just exploring where exactly we differ.

10:50:19 mircea_popescu: i don't know you well enough yet to actually care what you think for its own sake.

10:50:28 BohemianHacks: Same :D

10:50:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, i just maxed the pedantry scale did i ?

10:50:54 mircea_popescu: .bait

10:50:55 ozbot: http://37.media.tumblr.com/93053ba6dbb3f548d489c84a4e607588/tumblr_n2iu2trjaV1rz1q6ko1_500.gif

10:50:58 fluffypony: lawlz

10:51:06 punkman: Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing. <- it "feels" like investing to a lot of people, it's all about "feelings"

10:51:16 mircea_popescu: meh shitty bait ozzie. how am i to restore world balance thus ?

10:51:17 mircea_popescu: .bait

10:51:19 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/e96f81d29cec91e9b9a0f6025f77add3/tumblr_n3de5nJDH31rz1q6ko1_1280.jpg

10:51:42 mircea_popescu: punkman pretty much. just like webpages "feel" like dictionaries.

10:51:55 mircea_popescu: culture world problems.

10:52:18 mircea_popescu: !up Curious_George

10:52:18 assbot: Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.

10:52:56 punkman: like NeoBee "felt" it was a good idea to "invest" in excessive advertising

10:53:22 BohemianHacks: You guys are entertaining.

10:53:22 mircea_popescu: punkman im still waiting for the psychanalist to go into massive bitcoin exploratory expedxitions.

10:53:28 mircea_popescu: been trying to lure some but to little awail so far.

10:53:42 mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks you aware what the best description of this chan is, according to chan consensus so far ?

10:54:10 fluffypony: punkman: buy ALL of the advertizings. ALL of it.

10:54:29 BohemianHacks: so far it seems false etymology

10:54:50 mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!

10:54:58 mircea_popescu: ignorant ~and~ arrogant ?!

10:55:20 BohemianHacks: Clearly im the arrogant one here.

10:55:35 punkman: I like mp's definition better than the dictionary

10:55:49 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale << that was a riot. tepi's face lol.

10:56:04 fluffypony: I can imagine

10:57:24 mircea_popescu: i think this Wywiał guy may be on track to write more than me.

10:57:37 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell numeristrade you ever considered starting a blog ?

10:57:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:00:44 mircea_popescu: so apparently teh chinese just demolished a pretty old church. this thing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmTiGh7CUAER9Zz.jpg:large

11:02:17 mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you << well, my curiosity continues. how did you compute that ?

11:04:37 mircea_popescu: Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec << myeah. some people learned the hard way why not trust linode. it cost them 40k btc or so, linode offered a half-apology and $50 in vouchers.

11:04:53 BohemianHacks: You are asking for a computation on a subjective matter, good luck getting real numbers.

11:04:55 mircea_popescu: same principle. don't use a public service of a large provider that has the power to survive you in the market.

11:05:15 mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks it would seem you made an objective statement, but perhaps we're stuck on different language spaces again.

11:05:50 BohemianHacks: I was talking about myself and failure to see that is entirely on you.

11:07:05 BohemianHacks: part of the risk involved with any crime is loss of freedom, the value of the is completely subjective

11:07:44 BohemianHacks: so if you can't see that anything dealing with that topic would be subjective, I can't really help you.

11:07:45 mircea_popescu: i c.

11:08:39 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: looks like it comes up every year and nobody runs with it << because it's a fucking stupid idea.

11:09:04 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: elaborate plx

11:10:14 mircea_popescu: on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. on the other hand, the pki/dns infrastructure is beyond rotten. tying it into any sort of live project is like taking a spleen off a rotting cadaver and putting it into someone's gut.

11:10:55 fluffypony: but you can check directly with the NS for the domain?

11:11:16 mircea_popescu: how do you check ?

11:11:32 fluffypony: whois

11:11:37 mircea_popescu: that ain't "directly".

11:11:46 fluffypony: fair enough, I get your point

11:11:52 mircea_popescu: aite.

11:12:09 fluffypony: ok so then the problem is that you have to communicate addresses somehow

11:12:15 fluffypony: phone / email / whatever

11:12:24 mircea_popescu: gpg signed works.

11:12:31 fluffypony: so everything is open to interception and breakage, to a greater or lesser degree

11:12:35 mircea_popescu: i mean it's not like the problem doesn't have a perfect solution alreayd.

11:12:42 fluffypony: yeah

11:12:48 mircea_popescu: it's just that some [mostly irrelevant] people have decided they don't want to apply the solutionb.

11:13:04 mircea_popescu: because "dictionary" or whatever. which is fine, but also, killing them is the general goal of entropy.

11:14:56 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the problem is we come full circle back to the adoption problem - as much as you want to keep Bitcoin in the hands of the techno-competent, it is going to spread, and the n00bs are going to need n00bish solutions because they aren't going to learn to use GPG no matter how often people get hacked / lose money

11:15:11 mircea_popescu: perfect.

11:15:47 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is limtied in supply, soon enough all the noobies will have no bitcoin at all, and problem solved.

11:16:10 mircea_popescu: i honestly believe that from here to bitcoin being 50mn a piece, this channel will not nor needs not over 1k people active.

11:17:02 mircea_popescu: then everyone can move on to doge or maxcoin or w/e scam du jour, much more adequate for their needs and abilities,

11:17:13 mircea_popescu: and then wonder why is bitcoin so expensive since "nobody" buys it or holds it ?

11:17:18 mircea_popescu: much like they wonder about mpoe atm.

11:17:22 mircea_popescu: !up Jacobite

11:17:22 assbot: Voicing Jacobite for 30 minutes.

11:18:28 Jacobite: hi mircea enjoy reading your website.

11:18:33 mircea_popescu: hello.

11:19:19 jurov: sooo why the bitcoin-assets donation addy isn't gpg signed? haaa?

11:20:03 cazalla: 50mn, surely you jest?

11:20:24 mircea_popescu: jurov we probably should blame lampelina ?

11:20:30 mircea_popescu: cazalla why ?

11:20:51 jurov: lol poor lampelina

11:22:12 cazalla: mircea_popescu: it's just an obscene amount of money, on what sorta time line does it reach that price?

11:22:22 Curious_George: man i feel so n00bish listening to this discussion. but i'm trying to learn, So... what is GPG

11:22:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]

11:22:31 mircea_popescu: !up Curious_George

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11:22:40 jurov: anyway. i'll publish coinbr deposit address signed by support@coinbr.com.

11:22:46 mircea_popescu: gpg is a gnu implementation of pgp, which is the original public key cryptoi system

11:22:54 Curious_George: i expect alot of facepaloming i know

11:23:09 Curious_George: *face palming

11:23:12 jurov: what's to stop anyone to publishing say, admin@coinbr.com and doing mitm anyway?

11:23:22 mircea_popescu: jurov your address is in the wot.

11:23:31 mircea_popescu: !up VanCleef

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11:23:33 cazalla: it's not as difficult to understand as you think Curious_George as if I can grasp it, surely anyone can

11:23:40 VanCleef: thanks

11:23:49 mircea_popescu: cazalla btw, weren't you doing affiliate marketing for a living ?

11:23:49 VanCleef: why is it like this btw?

11:24:11 mircea_popescu: VanCleef http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/

11:24:16 cazalla: mircea_popescu: amongst other things (domaining, seo blah blah) but not for some years now

11:24:22 mircea_popescu: also you should blame kako. i only accept congratulations. and cookies.

11:24:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC

11:24:27 mircea_popescu: cazalla aok.

11:25:26 Curious_George: yeah i don't know cryptography so GPG, PGP and GNU implementation are over my head

11:25:45 mircea_popescu: Curious_George what os you run ? windows ?

11:26:03 Curious_George: yeah thats how simple i am

11:26:12 fluffypony: mircea_popescu, moiety: http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg

11:26:15 mircea_popescu: aite, so what was pgp for windows, kleopatra something ?

11:26:16 fluffypony: we should do that thang

11:26:16 VanCleef: ok i still don't get it but thanks for the ups

11:26:29 mircea_popescu: VanCleef well so ask a q ?

11:26:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony what happened on the upper side there

11:26:55 fluffypony: oh

11:26:58 fluffypony: got clipped

11:27:50 mircea_popescu: Curious_George http://www.gpg4win.org/ there, you can dld that thing play around with it see what it does.

11:28:20 cazalla: mircea_popescu: does that make me marketing scum?

11:28:26 jurov: mircea_popescu: how is the appeal onto nanotube's wot website different from running whois?

11:28:39 mircea_popescu: cazalla no i was just looking for someone with a lot of aff marketing exp.

11:29:48 mircea_popescu: jurov for me, that nanotube i trust. in general, that there exist no documented cases of a hijack.

11:29:49 VanCleef: hmm i cant see the SF2 IPO being filled anytime soon

11:31:10 mircea_popescu: more importantly, that his ability to absorb scandal is nil. all it takes is one single merchant attacked by him providing fake ids to someone and that's the end.

11:31:16 jurov: but he can be hacked.. i'd trust it fully *if* rating consisted of signing the recipient's gpg addy

11:31:45 jurov: than it would not be so much reliant on nanotube

11:31:53 mircea_popescu: jurov afaik he has been working (for the past two years) towards a distributed system

11:32:26 mircea_popescu: which wouldn't be a bad idea in any sense.

11:32:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52 = 7.8 BTC [+]

11:34:11 jurov: such long time development very likely means it will be convoluted..

11:34:12 mircea_popescu: jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol << lol. because anyone can do anything they set their mind to. including design of stuff they never used irl.

11:34:23 mircea_popescu: jurov either that or the man is doing a phd.

11:34:27 jurov: nanotube, why you can't for now just add a column to the database and a way to put signature(rating,message) there?

11:35:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, a p2p cryptographically secure wot is a good project for someone competent an' ambitious. good way to get on my wot list at any rate.

11:37:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.52 = 6.76 BTC [+]

11:37:46 punkman: mircea_popescu: how would that btc clickbank you mentioned work? surely not a marketplace for crappy infoproducts

11:37:55 fluffypony: mircea_popescu, moiety: http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg updated

11:38:20 mircea_popescu: punkman if i had any idea how to make it so it doesn't suck i'd be looking for it people not domain experts.

11:38:32 mircea_popescu: but alas...

11:38:58 Naphex: ok..

11:39:10 Naphex: so here is a working version of what i talked about earlier

11:39:39 Naphex: # host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro

11:39:42 punkman: mircea_popescu: I'll give it some thought then, I have like 9-10 years of experience in aff things

11:39:52 Naphex: naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IGnKD8UQ5/AaWadgGc3aIQ5q9EmgxuF+Vw+F4SSYkB9R+TAVzvnDq+fTZql08JEWrRLlTCReF3lTQAtea66zv5A="

11:40:03 mircea_popescu: punkman where did yo uwork ? doing what ?

11:40:05 Naphex: signature includes DNSSEC KSK key

11:40:29 Naphex: # host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro

11:40:37 Naphex: DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==

11:40:43 punkman: mircea_popescu: just selling other people's stuff, using a lot of these marketplaces and networks and whatnot

11:40:46 Naphex: and all records are signed

11:40:50 fluffypony: BitNews responded to the points I raised re: their SeedCoin II fundraising - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587908.0 - "Thank you for your feedback. We’ll take your comments on board and carry on! Don’t stay tuned for now. We’ll keep you posted when appropriate."

11:41:04 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lmao the ineptitude.

11:41:17 mircea_popescu: punkman a, i c. well, can't hurt.

11:41:37 mircea_popescu: Naphex what happens if i replace both records ?

11:42:34 Naphex: you should be validating requests before, so if you mitm the serv requests would fail

11:42:41 Naphex: ideally you could just save the KSK

11:42:47 Naphex: and trust it

11:44:09 Naphex: creating a dns alias would go like this 1.get your server's pub ksk, 2. sign message of domain dnssec-ksk, 3. add record containing issuer

11:48:54 fluffypony: TagPesa responded well to my criticisms. I actually hope they accomplish what they want to in spite of their involvement with SeedScam.

11:49:17 VanCleef: never trust an aussie

11:49:26 VanCleef: they've been behind so many bitcoin scams

11:50:03 fluffypony: VanCleef: well I won't be plugging any funds into SeedCoin, but I do think that the TagPesa guy at least has some idea of what he's doing

11:50:06 Naphex: http://pastebin.com/nGVC7rNz dig output, with dnssec

11:50:07 ozbot: # dig +dnssec +multi @pluto.btcxchange.ro txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro - Pastebin.com

11:50:21 fluffypony: unfortunately like most startups they're hungry for investment so they can get going

11:50:32 fluffypony: which leads to deals with "incubators"

11:50:37 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/249ix0/accounting_for_the_amazing_company_the/ lol pankkake your reputation is ahead of you

11:50:37 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

11:50:38 ozbot: Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. : Bitcoin

11:50:41 VanCleef: hmmm

11:51:36 cazalla: VanCleef: yeah, we have a reputation for that :\

11:51:38 fluffypony: pankkake is "Popescu's co-troll"? I didn't know it was a shared position

11:51:51 fluffypony: how do I apply to be part of the Troll Board?

11:52:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16967 @ 0.00097388 = 16.5238 BTC [-] {2}

11:53:07 VanCleef: plz reup me

11:53:11 VanCleef: when its over

11:53:22 jurov: you are already, and i hereby anoint you to the Most Noble MPEx Trolls Order

11:53:39 fluffypony: yay

11:54:07 jurov: !up VanCleef

11:54:07 assbot: Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.

11:55:14 VanCleef: thanks bud

12:00:24 mircea_popescu: Naphex im sure, validate requests before what ?

12:01:44 mircea_popescu: o look at that, pankkake we're cotrolls now.

12:01:50 mircea_popescu: i wonder what that means.

12:02:12 mircea_popescu: and i wonder if sukrim ever sat down and calculated how much he has lost to date, since his derpy "hai i r glbse investoar" days.

12:02:26 mircea_popescu: it must be over 99%, but i'm curious if it's more like 99.99% or what.

12:03:27 Naphex: mircea_popescu: so the zonefile is signed, pub key published. addresses sign domain alias and domain pub key. alias gets published

12:03:47 Naphex: if you want to verify if the certian address was authenticated, you can

12:03:56 mircea_popescu: published where ?

12:03:58 Naphex: DNS

12:06:00 mircea_popescu: so i'm dns, i replace all of them.

12:06:29 Naphex: if you don't resign the zone, it's invalid

12:06:39 Naphex: by whichever dns resolves it

12:07:49 mircea_popescu: where does client acquire signature ?

12:07:53 mircea_popescu: i mean, pubkey ?

12:08:12 Naphex: pub key directory, from service site, or from dns

12:10:15 Naphex: 1 way, # host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro

12:10:27 Naphex: addresses.btcxchange.ro has DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==

12:10:41 Naphex: and now they can just get it from bitcoin-assets log

12:10:42 mircea_popescu: so from dns.

12:11:01 mircea_popescu: well yes, now they can, because you've leveraged the public forum to strengthen the wot.

12:11:25 mircea_popescu: but my point is narrower : that no wot can stand on its own. one of the manyt reasons pki is broken by design, not the most visible one but quite fundamental.

12:11:34 mircea_popescu: and it also goes to jurov's q as to the diff between pki and nanowot.

12:11:51 Naphex: just meant to be viable

12:11:59 Naphex: i.e if you an send to deposits.mpex.co

12:12:07 Naphex: and you keep your own dns, your own zonefile

12:12:17 Naphex: and the datavalidates, it can easily show green on a client

12:12:33 Naphex: green - for full check, approved key

12:12:39 Naphex: yellow for whatever, and other color codes

12:13:04 mircea_popescu: what's color codes to do with anything tho ?

12:13:21 mircea_popescu: i couldn't need a dns less : you know where to send funds becasuse yu get a gpg signed deposit slip.

12:13:34 mircea_popescu: dns serves no useful purpose for mpex.

12:15:35 Naphex: color codes - for clients that maybe want to implement name2address resolve

12:16:02 Naphex: type the name instead of the address, color that input bar on the security of the answer

12:20:11 mircea_popescu: you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you.

12:22:16 Naphex: lol not at all

12:22:46 Naphex: but if you get a shitty response, or at mitm'd something should be displayed

12:23:44 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you. // I concur

12:24:00 mircea_popescu: not like it's a bad thing.

12:24:27 Apocalyptic: I should hire him to do some ux improvements for x-bt

12:24:44 mircea_popescu: i think his current owner may track you down and shoot you if you do that.

12:25:56 Apocalyptic: noted

12:26:43 Naphex: lol

12:34:07 Naphex: Owner? - sounds like SS did a bad job;]

12:47:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00097668 = 26.5169 BTC [+] {3}

12:47:57 mircea_popescu: Naphex hehe

12:52:05 mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler

12:52:05 assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.

12:52:16 Dimsler: man i can't believe how expensive eastern europe got

12:52:55 Dimsler: its like west germany prices for everything

12:52:56 mircea_popescu: yeah.

12:53:01 mircea_popescu: it's crazy.

12:53:10 Dimsler: but with shitty infrastructure and inconvenience

12:53:19 Dimsler: just bought some pairs of under

12:53:21 Dimsler: $11usd a pair

12:53:56 Dimsler: crazy to the max

12:54:05 Dimsler: because my land scapper still works for $3 an hour

12:54:19 Dimsler: i have no idea how the locals are affording things at this point

12:54:23 mircea_popescu: me either.

12:54:34 mircea_popescu: gas right ? it's like 10 dollars a liter.

12:54:45 Dimsler: yeah i know

12:54:52 mircea_popescu: yet there's people driving around. how the fuck, their min wage is 1.25 an hour

12:54:55 Dimsler: i filled up in stuttgart before leaving for krakow

12:55:02 jurov: gas? where?

12:55:06 Dimsler: and it was 200euro fill up

12:55:10 mircea_popescu: work 8 hours to the liter ? wtf.

12:55:18 Dimsler: yes

12:55:19 mircea_popescu: but yet they drive. it's beyond me.

12:55:23 jurov: here's $2.5 a liter, and it's one of most expansive

12:55:25 Dimsler: yes no idea

12:55:32 Dimsler: italy is most expensive

12:55:34 mircea_popescu: jurov sorry i meant gallon

12:55:52 mircea_popescu: it's like 2.5 a liter, which comes to about 10 a gallon

12:55:57 Dimsler: well i mean DE has no min wage

12:56:59 Dimsler: i would have assumed btc adoption in eastern europe woul dhave been easy

12:57:07 Dimsler: since everyone is already cheating taxes to the max

12:57:18 Dimsler: but it looks like many are quite apprehensive

12:57:29 mircea_popescu: because they've also been scammed to the max.

12:57:33 Dimsler: yes

12:57:46 Dimsler: the instant rebuttle i get here

12:57:51 Dimsler: is the amway pyramid scheme

12:57:55 Dimsler: soon as i mention btc

12:58:14 mircea_popescu: Dimsler i have people following me on twitter that still derp about how it's a scam or w/e.

12:58:28 mircea_popescu: !up Anon29486307

12:58:28 assbot: Voicing Anon29486307 for 30 minutes.

12:59:09 Dimsler: well i mean who cares if its a scam or not

12:59:13 Dimsler: if you're using it to trasnfer money

12:59:41 Dimsler: like you can make claims if its a scam or not if you plan on settling up in btc

13:00:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06726382 = 0.2691 BTC [-] {2}

13:00:07 mircea_popescu: it's very strange, the same sort of partial thinking keeps people inside the grinder in, on both ends.

13:00:23 mircea_popescu: forum "investors" keep investing, fiat consumers keep fiating... it's uncanny.

13:01:31 Dimsler: need to focus on criminals

13:01:42 Dimsler: they are the most important element

13:01:50 Dimsler: lets be realisitc

13:02:01 Dimsler: who were the first people to use cars?

13:02:02 mircea_popescu: hm ?

13:02:04 Dimsler: bank robbers

13:02:09 mircea_popescu: that's not true in any sense.

13:02:19 Dimsler: yes it is

13:02:22 mircea_popescu: the first people to use cars were the rich.

13:02:30 Dimsler: last 8-9 months of btc run up

13:02:31 mircea_popescu: the same people who do yachting competitions.

13:02:32 Dimsler: has been carders

13:02:37 Dimsler: drug dealers

13:02:40 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

13:02:43 Dimsler: online criminal

13:02:49 mircea_popescu: that's such nonsense.

13:03:09 Dimsler: lol have you not watched the bitcoin atm news cast?

13:03:15 Dimsler: there was an old lady standing inline

13:03:22 Dimsler: they asked her why she was buying bitcoins

13:03:32 Dimsler: and she told everyone it was to unlock her family photos on her computer

13:03:32 mircea_popescu: anecdotes are worth about five satoshi each. get a million, maybe it matters.

13:03:33 Dimsler: lol

13:03:40 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the same sort of bullshit was being peddled about silkroad

13:03:45 mircea_popescu: oh, bitcoin is based on silkroad.

13:03:51 mircea_popescu: and then... silkroad went away... nobody noticed.

13:04:11 Naphex: total bullshit

13:04:18 mircea_popescu: criminals don't matter here for the same reason they don't matter irl. if they had any sense they'd find better use of their time.

13:04:23 Naphex: now i know where all the bad looks come from, ever since i bought a new car

13:04:25 Dimsler: then where are the instritional investors then?

13:04:39 mircea_popescu: petty crime is perhaps (with the exception of an academic career) the worst fucking choice someone could make

13:04:52 mircea_popescu: Dimsler apparently nowhere in your horizon.

13:04:59 mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, in the horizon of the conference derps.

13:05:08 mircea_popescu: why's this surprising to anyone (other than those derps) is beyond me.

13:05:12 Dimsler: conference derps are losers

13:05:21 Dimsler: they believe bitcoin is going to grow

13:05:23 Dimsler: with a bunch of nerrds

13:05:27 Dimsler: buying $100

13:05:29 Dimsler: and holding it

13:05:32 Dimsler: worth

13:05:48 mircea_popescu: well what's the problem wit hthat ?

13:06:01 Dimsler: the fact that those people are just noise

13:06:05 Dimsler: they don't add any value

13:06:28 mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe among them are some who can add value, and will.

13:06:38 kakobrekla: > You are a rude bastard. No wonder I smelt a rat. If Your attitude is an example of your support You will not have many happy customers. Glad I emailed you. Saved me a lot of trouble.

13:06:38 Dimsler: in what sense?

13:06:46 Dimsler: be remaking technology to support bitcoin

13:06:50 Dimsler: and calling it new and fresh?

13:06:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what'd you say ?

13:07:01 kakobrekla: the emails i get.

13:07:04 mircea_popescu: Dimsler some make their way here and then contribute significantly.

13:07:12 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yea but what did you say to get that email ? "hello" ?

13:07:22 Dimsler: need more criminals

13:07:27 Dimsler: utilizing he system

13:07:36 Dimsler: criminals, outliers,

13:07:46 Dimsler: these are the people who will et btc grow

13:07:48 Dimsler: tax cheats

13:07:49 fluffypony: porn sites need it

13:07:53 Dimsler: oh yes

13:07:55 Dimsler: porn gambling

13:07:57 kakobrekla: well, not to go into full detail, but my previous email did include: > I am a member of local cheese making club, I am interested in free cake and no taxes.

13:08:22 Dimsler: the conference derps don't understand that they get paid in fiat

13:08:25 Dimsler: pay taxes in fiat

13:08:26 mircea_popescu: lol.

13:08:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: build a succession of spacious yurts... when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old << this is 'cheney's algorithm' for semispace garbage collection. i've always wanted to implement it in meatspace.

13:08:28 Dimsler: and settle in fiat

13:08:30 kakobrekla: so i dunno what confused him.

13:08:30 mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Look at these salesmen. The only thing these guys fear is the walk-out. No matter what they say, you say, "I?ll walk out of here right now!"

13:08:30 mircea_popescu: (A salesman approaches)

13:08:30 mircea_popescu: SALESMAN: Can I help you with something?

13:08:30 mircea_popescu: GEORGE: (Threatening) Hold it! One more step and we?re walkin?!

13:08:30 mircea_popescu: JERRY: (Scolding) George. (To salesman) Sorry, we?re just waiting for David Puddy.

13:08:32 mircea_popescu: GEORGE: (Still with a tone) He is. You don?t know what I?m doin? here.

13:08:55 fluffypony: kakobrekla: lol, isn't customer service fun?

13:08:57 Dimsler: lol that was a good episode

13:09:03 Dimsler: was that when they were buying the saab?

13:09:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. i think it's a neat idea. if i ever make a tech park, that's how i'll run it.

13:09:35 mircea_popescu: Dimsler yea

13:10:40 Dimsler: lol

13:10:44 Dimsler: ate georges twix

13:11:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03446977 = 0.1379 BTC [+] {2}

13:12:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 500 bucks ... open land in patagonia << once i crack the puzzle of what to eat - and where to plug in - at patagonia (or timisoara, or antarctica, or mars) - there i'll be.

13:12:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03950008 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}

13:12:17 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 < i must say i fucking love that response.

13:12:18 ozbot: A complete theory of economics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:12:21 kakobrekla: fluffypony very.

13:12:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally, esp in patagonia (or mongolia) we could have a specially trained pack of hunting women.

13:13:06 mircea_popescu: they spend their day horseriding and shooting everything that moves.

13:13:08 asciilifeform: or of... colocolos

13:13:13 mircea_popescu: nah.

13:13:53 asciilifeform: 'desktop sized' cats have been trained to bring back hares, etc. before.

13:14:09 Dimsler: yeah

13:14:16 mircea_popescu: this is like the people who spend 5 years to train their dog to get their newspaper.

13:14:18 Dimsler: but gold <> money

13:14:28 mircea_popescu: getting all the newspapers in a lifetime doesn't take an aggregate of 5 years.

13:14:45 asciilifeform: lol sounds like an argument against perl.

13:14:50 mircea_popescu: exaclty is.

13:15:14 mircea_popescu: better have women hunters than train cats.

13:18:04 Dimsler: i don't believe in evicerating the proliteriate

13:18:09 Dimsler: but they do it to themselves

13:18:55 mircea_popescu: the who ?

13:19:30 asciilifeform: the pre-literate? (typo, but good one)

13:20:02 Dimsler: proletariat

13:20:17 Dimsler: excuse my spelling long day

13:21:18 Dimsler: rape the labourier?

13:21:22 Dimsler: orwell anyone?

13:28:10 moiety: mew

13:28:32 moiety: set my client to flash at colocolos also

13:28:57 moiety: desk-top sized cats? yes please. will pay in muffins

13:29:57 moiety: mine are too stupid to train

13:43:29 moiety: http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/sorrynotsorry i love brewdog

13:43:31 ozbot: #SorryNotSorry

13:45:45 fluffypony: moiety: did you see my mock up?

13:46:23 moiety: not yet fluffypony im catching up with everything, is it linked in here?

13:46:30 fluffypony: moiety: yeah way upz - http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg

13:47:02 moiety: omg that is epic

13:47:34 moiety: have you ever seen the fiat manul coins? they don't have good pics on them. i love the nyar pic

13:47:58 fluffypony: lol

13:48:25 moiety: aw i wish this was a thing

13:49:14 fluffypony: we should make it a thing

13:49:19 fluffypony: ask TAT

13:50:19 moiety: i looked into it, coingen.io is qute expensive and im not technical enough for making algos myself

13:50:51 moiety: i kind of need to figure out a house before i play with this

13:51:31 fluffypony: don't worry

13:51:39 fluffypony: "writing" a coin doesn't involve much effort

13:51:59 fluffypony: a bit of search and replace, change a couple of constants, and then the genesis block

13:58:29 punkman: fluffypony: https://coinsboutique.com/content/silver-coins-manul-1-oz-silver-coin-antique-finish-mongolia-2014

13:58:57 fluffypony: punkman: aaaand now I have nightmares

14:00:55 punkman: only 2500 of these

14:01:21 punkman: seems out of stock everywhere

14:01:53 moiety: http://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/36009-500_Manat_Pallas_Cat-Wildlife_Series-Turkmenistan these ones aren't but you need to get the full set

14:02:25 punkman: that's not as interesting-looking

14:03:03 punkman: ah there's a bunch on ebay

14:03:12 fluffypony: that cat looks like a pussy, moiety

14:03:20 fluffypony: fake-ul

14:07:01 moiety: lol fake-ul

14:07:19 moiety: the nyar face captures the essense of manul-nature, i feel

14:08:42 moiety: the Turkmenistani coin could just be any cat really

14:10:11 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg6451201#msg6451201

14:10:12 ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?

14:10:48 mircea_popescu: o wow, that still going ?

14:11:28 mircea_popescu: "Like you say, this has manipulation written all over it. That is the only way to make it work - there is no chance a freely operating system like this would make it past a few weeks before going bankrupt. "

14:11:30 mircea_popescu: uh.

14:12:02 pankkake: it's amazing how they seem to understand everything in the opposite way

14:12:02 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:12:23 mircea_popescu: i like how you keep them fires stoked lol

14:13:04 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/mpex-co-the-scientology-of-bitcoin-finance.198675/page-18#post-5898499

14:13:05 ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? | Page 18 | Bitcointa.lk

14:13:09 mircea_popescu: im a total lambchop fan.

14:13:49 mircea_popescu: "I got my 0.01 btc investment out of neobee long ago."

14:14:19 kakobrekla: that will buy you a share?!

14:15:24 mircea_popescu: funny thing being... where were all those muppets when btc was 1.2k and mpex was mkt value over 1bn

14:15:30 mircea_popescu: 400mn seems such pocket change

14:16:54 mike_c: have they switched from calling you mirceau to marcel?

14:16:58 BCB: https://twitter.com/georgiemark/status/461142659466543105/photo/1

14:16:59 ozbot: Twitter / georgiemark: I knew it. #Havelock #investments ...

14:17:07 kakobrekla: i thought i was marcel

14:20:21 mike_c: i see no such spam

14:21:02 kakobrekla: i see it.

14:21:06 mike_c: you were supposed to reload the page.

14:21:12 kakobrekla: lol.

14:21:16 kakobrekla: :D

14:21:38 mircea_popescu: mike_c i think it's different people

14:22:24 mircea_popescu: BCB indeed.

14:22:58 BCB: mircea_popescu, somethings rotten in Denmark

14:23:10 mircea_popescu: you know, this was not a secret in any sense.

14:24:25 *: moiety has made the move to forum.lk

14:24:39 BCB: mircea_popescu, I never followed it much. But the Voorhees SEC inquery is interesting

14:25:38 BCB: US has control of Gox DB, Trendon Shavers Transactions, SR DB, I'd imagine they have would would like to add Satoshi Dice data to their collection.

14:26:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067 = 1.005 BTC [+]

14:26:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571863 etc

14:27:01 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:27:27 mircea_popescu: BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger.

14:28:07 BCB: mircea_popescu, not the Users db

14:28:15 mircea_popescu: there wasn't a users db.

14:28:36 BCB: mircea_popescu, not the buyers info

14:28:40 BCB: *nor

14:28:44 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger. --- dammit i signed in just to say this

14:28:50 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yw :)

14:28:51 ThickAsThieves: was reading logs offline

14:28:54 ThickAsThieves: :)

14:29:09 BCB: You boys are so clever

14:29:13 mircea_popescu: BCB you mean who the mysterious buyer was when vorhees had it delisted ?

14:29:51 BCB: mircea_popescu, That's obviously one person of interest. "he" obviously bought several bitcoin gaming sites.

14:29:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone has control of the gox db. it was haxt, remember ?

14:30:11 ThickAsThieves: lol http://bitbet.us/bet/822/googles-self-driving-car-to-have-an-accident/

14:30:16 mircea_popescu: and to judge by the published trendon shavers proceedings... he apparently (inadvertently ?) destroyed some data

14:30:44 ThickAsThieves: i found the shavers testimony to be a fun read

14:30:51 mircea_popescu: BCB wait, how's that obviously work ?

14:30:59 ThickAsThieves: nice balance between trolling and idiocy

14:31:02 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, tardstalk meets legalspeak.

14:31:19 BCB: ThickAsThieves, that was a hoot. I was shocked someone so stupid was so successful at his scam

14:31:33 BCB: mircea_popescu, not the complete contents

14:31:35 ThickAsThieves: well, the forum makes it easy

14:31:55 BCB: mircea_popescu, the numbers on the had info do not add up. It is missing early data and the final three months

14:32:05 BCB: ThickAsThieves, obviously

14:33:20 ThickAsThieves: SEC probly got a complaint, and now they probly also wanna know if Voorhees is still running it

14:33:24 mircea_popescu: missing the final three months ?

14:33:33 ThickAsThieves: cuz gambling iz bad, unless you are a state

14:33:41 ThickAsThieves: then you can print scratchers and race dogs

14:33:56 ThickAsThieves: or if you are red you can casino

14:34:16 ThickAsThieves: drives me crazy seeing "state lottery" billboards

14:34:20 ThickAsThieves: like seriously, wtf

14:34:26 mircea_popescu: gambling is bad in that it threatens to empower whoever's doing it.

14:35:13 ThickAsThieves: it's also an inauditable scam

14:35:36 ThickAsThieves: (state lottery)

14:36:26 mircea_popescu: exactly.

14:36:45 mircea_popescu: the provably fair thing will sink fiat gambling, only, they don't know it yet.

14:37:50 ThickAsThieves: do you think that it's just moving the goal posts though?

14:38:00 ThickAsThieves: being that the secret key is still a leak

14:38:01 mircea_popescu: notrly. or how do you mean ?

14:38:07 mircea_popescu: i don't follow.

14:38:24 ThickAsThieves: well the host knows the key right?

14:38:30 ThickAsThieves: and can win at will

14:39:17 mircea_popescu: nah.

14:39:35 ThickAsThieves: this may allow some forms of provably fair, but many creative ways to game that otherwise

14:39:36 mircea_popescu: you can do it like jd does it

14:39:39 mircea_popescu: that's actually pf.

14:39:42 fluffypony: I agree with ThickAsThieves - I think "provably fair" often means "proving that there are winners and losers"

14:39:53 ThickAsThieves: dooglus can't steal?

14:39:58 mircea_popescu: not from the players.

14:39:59 BCB: mircea_popescu, the gox ddb dump ends 2013-11-30

14:40:12 mircea_popescu: BCB yours or mine ?

14:40:47 ThickAsThieves: explain to me what structure prevents dooglus from rolling a win at will?

14:41:08 ThickAsThieves: please :)

14:41:43 fluffypony: HAH HAH - davout - apparently you're paying the forum moderators to cockblock bitcoinbourse: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.msg6454635#msg6454635

14:42:57 ThickAsThieves: is it feasible to somehow decentralize the key?

14:43:16 ThickAsThieves: or maybe I'm missing how dooglus has already done this somehow?

14:43:33 pankkake: no, he can indeed win at will

14:43:39 pankkake: and said so himself

14:44:00 BCB: pankkake, are you a troll for hire

14:44:07 mike_c: and clearly is doing so. investors only made 4% in april! scamz.

14:44:17 fluffypony: thus as it stands right now provably fair is "provably making payments", not provably fair in the absolute sense

14:44:19 ThickAsThieves: well maybe they made 5%

14:44:23 ThickAsThieves: and they just dont know it!

14:44:32 pankkake: BCB: was, and the offer is now closed, and was never taken

14:44:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's this user secret.

14:44:40 mike_c: but, ThickAsThieves, it doesn't matter

14:44:56 mircea_popescu: playing roughly the role of the salt in a hash

14:45:01 mike_c: so dooglus is skimming (which he's not i'm sure). who cares?

14:45:09 mike_c: investors still got 4%

14:45:11 pankkake: I was thinking of a gambling system where the key is the next block hash

14:45:16 ThickAsThieves: mike_c thats kinda a wtf argument to the topic

14:45:19 pankkake: but that means waiting for the results

14:45:43 mike_c: the point being, i am not investing in the code. i am investing in dooglus. and he returned 4% in april.

14:45:43 mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah a new zooko triangle is emerging

14:46:00 ThickAsThieves: ok but whether its a good investment isnt the topic

14:46:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually that's a valid approach, mike_c's. i'd just like to explore the provably fair angle, from bettors prespective

14:46:16 mircea_popescu: investors is a diff story

14:46:49 ThickAsThieves: the topic is whether provably fair is provably a fiat gambling killer

14:47:00 ThickAsThieves: or just a new strain

14:47:05 dignork: ThickAsThieves: when dooglus places a long list of winning bets, who is the loosing side?

14:47:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so you familiar with how jd does it ?

14:47:22 ThickAsThieves: not in contrast to Sdice, no

14:47:28 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot the20year

14:47:29 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never

14:47:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves look in his faq, it's explained there.

14:47:39 mircea_popescu: you can add your own seed to his.

14:47:40 ThickAsThieves: i told 20year to grow up and wot

14:47:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00097663 = 43.9972 BTC [-] {2}

14:47:47 mircea_popescu: he'd have to crack yours to make a self-serving secret

14:47:53 mircea_popescu: which then would not work with other players'

14:48:03 mircea_popescu: cause he is constrained by only having one server secret

14:48:27 mike_c: um, actually each player gets their own server secret

14:48:31 mike_c: pretty sure

14:48:34 ThickAsThieves: is that to say, it is 100% fair for the bettor

14:48:36 mike_c: which you can change at any time

14:48:42 ThickAsThieves: but

14:48:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c that's YOURS

14:48:53 ThickAsThieves: that dooglus can steal from investors still?

14:48:54 mike_c: no, the server one

14:48:54 mircea_popescu: but server also has one. his.

14:49:05 mike_c: you can 'randomize' and get a new server secret anytime

14:49:07 mircea_popescu: well either i seriously misunderstood this or else you did.

14:49:08 pankkake: ThickAsThieves: exactly

14:49:15 mike_c: i vote you :)

14:49:16 mircea_popescu: dooglus set us straight ?

14:49:45 ThickAsThieves: so the excercise should change to

14:49:49 mike_c: the point is that you can verify at will (instead of having to wait a day)

14:49:58 mike_c: you change the server secret, and he shows you the old one

14:49:58 ThickAsThieves: design a provably fair casino that cant steal from anyone

14:50:16 mircea_popescu: mike_c hm

14:50:20 mircea_popescu: maybe he changed the system ?

14:50:27 mircea_popescu: i only eval'd it once, when he was starting up.

14:50:41 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that may be impossible.

14:50:47 mike_c: but this doesn't break anything. because you can change your secret after the server secret is set.

14:51:02 ThickAsThieves: for example, if "state lottery" takes up "provably" fair

14:51:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c you're confusing me.

14:51:09 ThickAsThieves: things are actually WORSE for the US

14:51:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves why ?

14:51:35 ThickAsThieves: cuz gov can steal earnings at will

14:51:41 ThickAsThieves: diverting them where they like

14:51:41 mircea_popescu: how ?

14:51:43 mike_c: ok, you get the hash for server secret. you want a new server secret? click a button and it generates a new one, shows you the new hash, and shows you the old secret.

14:51:57 mike_c: now you can set your own client seed

14:52:02 mike_c: bam, provably fair

14:52:05 mircea_popescu: RIGHT! so there are in fact two.

14:52:10 mike_c: yes.

14:52:12 mircea_popescu: aite.

14:52:21 mircea_popescu: but you're saying server has a hash for each guy rather than one for all guys

14:52:29 mike_c: right

14:52:35 mircea_popescu: but you can see the old hash at will.

14:52:38 mike_c: yup

14:52:48 mircea_popescu: and you can change your hash but server is not allowed to change its

14:52:56 mike_c: yes, unless you tell it to

14:52:57 mircea_popescu: except if you ask it to show it to you, then it always does.

14:52:58 mircea_popescu: right.

14:53:03 mircea_popescu: these two have the same effect.

14:53:04 pankkake: you would need a secret that can not be known in advance by anyone (bettors and investors), but that would be revealed shortly after the bets. so far I only see future block hashes

14:53:19 mircea_popescu: pankkake that's open to miner manipulation rly.

14:53:42 pankkake: yes, but it has a cost. miners would have to discard their own blocks to win

14:53:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so as constructed, jd can't steal from players.

14:53:56 ThickAsThieves: but can from investors

14:54:00 mircea_popescu: it may, of course, steal from investors (ie, if the player and the casino collude)

14:54:13 mircea_popescu: pankkake true.

14:54:25 pankkake: though, I was thinking of tweaking it: you have a secret server key still, and the key used to compute the bet result would be secret+lastblock

14:54:41 ThickAsThieves: salty fairness

14:54:43 mircea_popescu: pankkake mike_c is working on something based on that principle

14:54:46 mircea_popescu: was demo'd at conference

14:54:49 pankkake: nice

14:54:54 mircea_popescu: i think will open for a close beta soonish

14:55:07 mircea_popescu: or close for an open beta

14:55:07 mike_c: it'll be out before cardano :D

14:55:08 mircea_popescu: or something

14:55:17 ThickAsThieves: hehe

14:55:30 ThickAsThieves: sounds like a challenge!

14:55:34 ThickAsThieves: or a bet

14:56:02 pankkake: still, you would have to wait for a block for the result

14:56:04 ThickAsThieves: white house logic: "Disclosing a vulnerability can mean that we forego an opportunity to collect crucial intelligence that could thwart a terrorist attack, stop the theft of our nation’s intellectual property, or even discover more dangerous vulnerabilities that are being used by hackers or other adversaries to exploit our networks,"

14:56:28 ThickAsThieves: leave it vulnerable so we can protect it!

14:57:01 pankkake: so investors would have to chose between less volume yet provably fair, vs. more volume but maybe some stealth stealing

14:57:57 mike_c: that is the tradeoff i have ended up at. although less volume is not necessarily the result, but slower action, yes.

14:58:07 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i wish you had a tag on fraudsters for articles about being so stupid you don't know how stupid you are

14:58:09 mike_c: the lottery is slow but gets lots of volume for instance

14:58:32 pankkake: waiting can be part of the fun

14:58:40 thestringpuller: you being the woodchipper lemmings

14:58:51 thestringpuller: !jd mpif

14:58:51 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29221206 BTC

15:00:14 ThickAsThieves: am i correct in assuming mpif wont be for sale until afte rthe first month of action?

15:03:24 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol

15:03:42 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, it'll sell after the first report.

15:03:45 mircea_popescu: nobody has to buy it tho.

15:04:41 ThickAsThieves: uhh

15:04:56 mike_c: first report being before may 5?

15:05:38 mircea_popescu: yes

15:06:20 ThickAsThieves: word

15:06:44 mircea_popescu: seemsmore reasonable this way. if someone judges it prudent to wait a month, or six or sixty, they can

15:06:56 fluffypony: Google made a motherboard: https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z131sxrjvwb5hl1xb04chx2ampiaijcaei0

15:06:58 mircea_popescu: but if someone judges it unnecessary, well, they're not stuck with the rest.

15:07:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what ws your blog again ?

15:08:05 mike_c: devilwearsbitcoin

15:08:35 ThickAsThieves: http://devilsadvocate.biz/

15:08:35 fluffypony: lol

15:08:37 ozbot: The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be.

15:08:38 mircea_popescu: ty

15:09:00 mircea_popescu: possibly worst sort of biz idea that, devlin advocacy.

15:09:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00463934 = 0.2737 BTC [+]

15:09:36 ThickAsThieves: good thing i dont plan to make any money from it

15:09:41 ThickAsThieves: on purpose at least

15:10:25 mrstickball: !up the20year

15:10:25 assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.

15:11:29 ThickAsThieves: the20year, as i hinted i wont voice people that should already know better

15:14:11 mircea_popescu: what'd he do

15:14:31 mike_c: ;;ident the20year

15:14:31 gribble: Nick 'the20year', with hostmask 'the20year!~the20year@', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None

15:14:48 ThickAsThieves: he's the RENT guy

15:14:53 ThickAsThieves: been around like a year

15:15:04 pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot the20year

15:15:05 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never

15:15:06 ThickAsThieves: and been voiced a handful of days since the change

15:15:27 pankkake: weird

15:16:00 ThickAsThieves: it's time for him to get auth'd properly

15:16:01 pankkake: oh, no ratings at all! not even from mrstickball!

15:16:04 ThickAsThieves: in my elitist opinion

15:16:17 mike_c: well, he can't up himself if no one rates him

15:16:28 fluffypony: oh lol, I thought thestringpuller was the RENT guy

15:16:58 ThickAsThieves: maybe someone here owns some RENT and is happy about it?

15:18:01 mircea_popescu: a he got himself into the wot huh. cool.

15:18:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0344999 = 0.483 BTC [+] {3}

15:18:17 ThickAsThieves: i'd give him a point for his diligence and seemingly running a Havelock asset better than most, but the more recent terms of his 3POs and such kinda make me hesitant

15:18:18 mrstickball: I gotta give him a rating shortly. For some reason, he never bothered with garnering a lot of trust via OTC

15:18:42 mircea_popescu: how did that work in the end ?

15:19:04 mike_c: kakobrekla: you have finally shamed me into fixing my comment approval system. there will be no more spammers on btcalpha.

15:19:06 ThickAsThieves: it's still going

15:19:18 ThickAsThieves: they shut off trading for like a month

15:19:27 ThickAsThieves: new offering was at much higher than market value

15:19:37 ThickAsThieves: but someone conviently bought it up

15:19:47 the20year: not based on usd, which is what our fund is denominated in

15:19:48 ThickAsThieves: conveniently

15:20:04 kakobrekla: mike_c it was a private /notice so you only shamed yourself now :p

15:20:04 pankkake: well, RENT is openly fiat business, so I wouldn't consider it bad to not be bitcoin-profitable

15:20:07 ThickAsThieves: i already get spam on my blog...

15:20:09 the20year: HL sends me daily sales reports, if I felt like it I could post them showing who bought the shares

15:20:17 fluffypony: I have no spam on my blog

15:20:21 fluffypony: disqus = love

15:20:28 ThickAsThieves: if you felt like it?

15:20:29 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:20:36 kakobrekla: i have little spam on bitbet

15:20:36 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com woodchipper

15:20:37 gribble: The story of Pointless and Witless pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/mpoe-january-2014-statement; Notorious M.P. layin down that subliminal shit, na mean ? pe fraudsters ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/notorious-mp-layin-down-that- (1 more message)

15:20:40 kakobrekla: math = hard

15:20:42 mike_c: kakobrekla: well, public shamings work better anyway :)

15:20:43 pankkake: fluffypony: disqus = evil

15:20:52 fluffypony: pankkake: for comments does it matter?

15:21:23 mike_c: fluffypony: you use disqus? so you are also shaming yourself.

15:21:39 fluffypony: mike_c: I hate all the comment plugins for jekyll

15:21:56 kakobrekla: what is jerky?

15:21:59 fluffypony: disqus is the easiest way for me to have comments without dicking around for 2 days with unsupported plugins

15:22:09 fluffypony: kakobrekla: https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll

15:22:12 the20year: Correct

15:22:22 fluffypony: it generates static html from markdown, basically

15:22:42 fluffypony: so very low impact on the server, as nginx just ends up serving stuff that's cached in memory

15:23:18 mrstickball: ;;gettrust the20year

15:23:18 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@ Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user the20year: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014

15:23:49 pankkake: I'll eventually switch to a static blog with (automated) comments by mail

15:23:59 pankkake: but for now I'm happy with the lesser evils of wordpress

15:24:08 kakobrekla: do you get like millions of hits per day or are cpu cycles that expensive there?

15:24:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 160 @ 0.00084993 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2}

15:24:24 mike_c: the server is mining in the background, so extra cpu costs him btc.

15:24:29 fluffypony: pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus

15:24:42 asciilifeform: suggested experiment: only accept pgp-signed comments.

15:24:42 pankkake: at least I have full control of the content!

15:24:47 kakobrekla: mike_c perhaps mining, but without him knowing

15:24:53 asciilifeform: handily abolishes user registration, 'avatars', all that crap

15:24:55 ThickAsThieves: only reason i havent put disqus on mine is cuz mp hate sit

15:24:58 asciilifeform: and probably shoots spammers dead.

15:25:17 pankkake: asciilifeform: definitively. or at least auto-mod them

15:25:57 kakobrekla: this reminds me of Ukyo saying he cant post to assbot because its too much network traffic

15:26:09 asciilifeform: usernames (displayed on blog) would link to wot.

15:26:19 pankkake: and I don't like the anti spam ways of using javascript. websites should be fully usable without

15:26:45 asciilifeform: call it 'web 0.0' or something.

15:26:49 pankkake: you know PGP identities can be pictures :)

15:27:01 pankkake: ahah, web 0.0 I like it

15:27:11 asciilifeform: pankkake: identities are keys.

15:27:13 fluffypony: pankkake: I have control over the content? you can turn off that advertising thingy where they show similar content

15:27:18 pankkake: I really want to start a movement of anti-web things

15:27:22 asciilifeform: if key signs a photo, sure, display it if you feel like it

15:27:36 pankkake: fluffypony: I mean, it's in my own database. on my machine.

15:27:48 fluffypony: pankkake: ah ok, I get what you're saying

15:28:02 asciilifeform: you also get fine-grained moderation for free

15:28:12 asciilifeform: that is, basic level - only accept comments from folks in wot

15:28:18 asciilifeform: next, arsebot-style filter

15:28:45 mircea_popescu: !up owner

15:28:45 assbot: Voicing owner for 30 minutes.

15:29:05 fluffypony: kakobrekla: the server it's hosted on hosts a bunch of our local sites that are heavily trafficked, so I keep it purposely low-impact

15:29:10 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus << why not ?!

15:29:12 fluffypony: plus I *hate* WP

15:29:34 numerisTrade: hi bitcoin-assets

15:29:50 kakobrekla: not like 8 bux gives you power to run infinite* number of blogs

15:29:52 pankkake: wordpress is PHP. and you have to keep that shit up to date, too

15:29:55 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> I really want to start a movement of anti-web things << join the queue!

15:29:55 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because WP is so badly written...I wrote a plugin for it years ago, and that was honestly the most painful experience in shitty PHP coding

15:30:04 fluffypony: kakobrekla: not locally, unfortunately

15:30:24 mircea_popescu: pankkake fraudsters runs wp 1.8 i think ?

15:30:32 pankkake: lol, never got hacked?

15:30:49 mircea_popescu: no nm 2.7

15:30:50 mircea_popescu: never.

15:30:52 pankkake: though most holes lately require access to wp-admin

15:31:02 mike_c: fluffypony: you should see wikimedia. amazingly it is worse than wordpress.

15:31:02 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:31:13 pankkake: mediawiki you mean

15:31:17 mike_c: yeah

15:31:19 pankkake: but yeah, what a fucking mess

15:31:23 fluffypony: mike_c: I can imagine, we'll put it on the list of broken things I don't want to touch

15:31:52 mircea_popescu: mediawiki is god awful yes

15:32:03 mircea_popescu: but tbh i think wp only became broken after 2.x

15:32:20 pankkake: I hate the new admin interface

15:32:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03450063 = 0.345 BTC [+] {3}

15:32:35 pankkake: though it has an API, so I could post/edit from somewhere else easily

15:32:38 bounce: there's a baseline guaranteed brokenness courtesy php, though

15:32:55 ThickAsThieves: this should be funny, wu tang fans trying to scrape together $5m to buy the promo album coming out (only one copy to exist) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wu-tang-disciples-unite-for-once-upon-a-time-in-shaolin#home

15:33:30 pankkake: I wonder if there's a request on what.cd

15:33:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03495131 = 0.1398 BTC [+] {4}

15:33:37 mircea_popescu: pankkake i could too, via email, in wp of 2008

15:33:39 mircea_popescu: never have.

15:34:11 fluffypony: kakobrekla: $95/month for a E3-1270 V2 @ 3.50GHz, 8gb RAM, 2x 1tb eSATA drives, and 1tb of traffic

15:34:15 fluffypony: *shafted*

15:34:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0349999 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8}

15:34:36 the20year: hopefully when mrstickball he can grab decent BW on the fiber that runs right next to the complex and start renting servers or some such

15:34:47 the20year: *when mrstickball gets his warehouse

15:35:10 fluffypony: won't help me unless he gets a warehouse in South Africa :-P

15:35:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0349999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {4}

15:35:36 pankkake: https://i.imgur.com/xeRwL7W.png we'll see. after all, what.cd leaked Microsoft COFEE

15:36:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03504882 = 0.3154 BTC [+] {9}

15:37:21 kakobrekla: that thing is no longer up, was a fake i guess

15:37:27 mrstickball: move to Ohio and you can share

15:37:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0389999 = 0.39 BTC [-] {10}

15:37:36 fluffypony: mrstickball: lol

15:37:37 mrstickball: put in some injection moulding machines and start a company

15:37:41 mrstickball: we'll have plenty of room and electric

15:37:53 kakobrekla: ah nvm its a request

15:38:01 kakobrekla: im retarded as usual.

15:38:33 fluffypony: I like parts of the US and a handful of the people there, but not enough to move there

15:38:39 pankkake: kakobrekla: what.cd eventually removed COFEE though, feared legal problems or something

15:38:43 kakobrekla: yes

15:38:46 kakobrekla: too much heat.

15:38:59 pankkake: like some trackers ban advance copies

15:39:30 fluffypony: kakobrekla: figurative or literal?

15:39:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03543992 = 0.2126 BTC [+] {4}

15:40:00 kakobrekla: retarded? literally.

15:40:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03543999 = 0.4253 BTC [+] {6}

15:41:01 fluffypony: kakobrekla: was a joke, yo - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=heat&defid=1506287

15:41:36 kakobrekla: ah, sorry, im not from the ghetto.

15:41:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0389999 = 0.624 BTC [-] {8}

15:41:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1819 @ 0.00085596 = 1.557 BTC [+] {7}

15:41:51 fluffypony: :-P

15:42:07 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoin.mit.edu/announcing-the-mit-bitcoin-project/

15:42:08 ozbot: Announcing the MIT Bitcoin Project | MIT Bitcoin Club

15:42:12 ThickAsThieves: they wanna see what happens

15:42:18 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah read that earlier, it's an interesting experiment

15:42:25 ThickAsThieves: maybe bitbet that 80% of it ends up with 20% of the people?

15:42:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0389999 = 0.273 BTC [-] {4}

15:42:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 6000 @ 0.00088159 = 5.2895 BTC [+] {24}

15:42:42 ThickAsThieves: or the like

15:43:03 punkman: good thing they didn't make MITcoin

15:43:07 fluffypony: lol

15:43:36 kakobrekla: this is "we decided to make this half a million into nothing"

15:43:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0389999 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3}

15:43:52 kakobrekla: you cant do shit with 100$.

15:44:13 punkman: so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc

15:44:30 fluffypony: "$110 off your student loan!"

15:44:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.039 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}

15:44:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]

15:44:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 191 @ 0.00088879 = 0.1698 BTC [+] {2}

15:45:32 mircea_popescu: <punkman> so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc <<

15:45:41 mircea_popescu: i vote "a charity to get more women into gayness"

15:45:45 mircea_popescu: no wait.

15:45:50 mircea_popescu: into tech i meant.

15:45:52 ThickAsThieves: Suicide Help Line

15:45:56 ThickAsThieves: We accept BTC!

15:46:11 ThickAsThieves: "Stop being a pussy. Have a nice day!"

15:46:16 punkman: so I was making a little cli interface for Namecheap, and they want me to login on the website and approve my IP address for API access every time it changes

15:46:20 mircea_popescu: maybe "how to use a battery to light a bulb, wearethepremieretechandblablainstitutionintheworld" ?

15:46:40 mircea_popescu: punkman this is fashionable nowadays.

15:46:41 ThickAsThieves: useful API

15:46:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 600 @ 0.001 = 0.6 BTC

15:46:45 mircea_popescu: but don't they email ?

15:47:30 fluffypony: punkman: proxy requests through a box with a fixed IP?

15:48:06 punkman: fluffypony: well yeah I guess, or make a bot that goes and approves the IP before it tries to do anything

15:48:22 punkman: I'd rather keep my NC password on my local box only

15:48:41 fluffypony: ok but if you're just proxying requests you keep everything locally?

15:49:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC

15:50:36 fluffypony: punkman: ala the little php snipped in http://fraudsters.com/2013/a-little-bit-of-ddos/ but forward proxying instead of reverse

15:51:59 benkay: mircea_popescu: where is Wywiał writing?

15:52:35 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you remember that email asciilifeform passed you

15:52:44 thestringpuller: an old flame war of sorts but it had a good quote in it

15:52:49 thestringpuller: having trouble finding it in logs

15:53:03 mircea_popescu: benkay fraudsters comments atm

15:53:15 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller um not sure ?

15:53:44 benkay: mircea_popescu: ah i was wondering if the gentleman had his own outlet

15:53:46 thestringpuller: it talked about professionalism and how one doesn't care if the mechanic's dog died earlier that day

15:53:48 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDaZsgR5zg 200$ and you get to crack the egg

15:53:50 thestringpuller: etc.

15:53:50 thestringpuller: not a big deal

15:53:52 Naphex: like never before

15:53:57 benkay: <mircea_popescu> on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. << not a fan of multisig?

15:55:07 mircea_popescu: benkay kinda why i was suggesting he blog.

15:57:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 621 @ 0.07261664 = 45.0949 BTC [+] {55}

15:59:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.039 = 0.624 BTC [+]

15:59:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72062530 BTC to 7`551 shares, 36030 satoshi per share

16:01:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08 = 0.88 BTC [+]

16:02:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 225 @ 0.00088893 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}

16:02:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]

16:03:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.08 = 8.88 BTC [+]

16:03:30 fluffypony: http://geekologie.com/2014/04/18/pizza-cake.jpg

16:03:38 fluffypony: lol, 'Merkan food

16:04:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08 = 4 BTC [+]

16:07:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1914 @ 0.0001238 = 0.237 BTC [+]

16:08:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.08 = 11.6 BTC [+] {3}

16:09:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [+] {2}

16:10:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.08 = 3.12 BTC [+]

16:11:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 201 @ 0.073 = 14.673 BTC [-] {4}

16:12:06 mrstickball: wow @ PETA

16:12:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07009951 = 1.5422 BTC [-] {3}

16:12:11 benkay: !up JorgePasada

16:12:11 assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.

16:12:27 JorgePasada: Man, so bummed there's no meetup tonight

16:12:34 benkay: no get together?

16:12:38 JorgePasada: 5th Tuesday of the Month

16:12:47 JorgePasada: Hurts my brain just seeing that in writing

16:13:08 JorgePasada: It's 1st and 3rd Tuesday

16:13:10 JorgePasada: Not every other week

16:13:33 JorgePasada: So we're in a weird 'leap week'

16:14:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07000001 = 2.8 BTC [-] {4}

16:15:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-]

16:15:29 benkay: oh.

16:16:50 JorgePasada: Yep

16:17:22 benkay: random_cat_: nothing doing tonight

16:26:27 benkay: !up donpillou

16:26:27 assbot: Voicing donpillou for 30 minutes.

16:26:48 donpillou: yay!

16:29:16 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://fraudsters.com/2014/dating-online-an-inquest/

16:29:17 mircea_popescu: donpillou who're you

16:29:41 mircea_popescu: JorgePasada lol bad luck.

16:30:19 donpillou: i'm a random guy from the internets

16:30:32 mircea_popescu: ah i c.

16:30:41 JorgePasada: All my friends keep trying to get me on OkCupid

16:30:57 JorgePasada: I'd like to say it's because I'm taking a principled stand against online dating

16:31:00 mircea_popescu: but if you have friends already...

16:31:02 JorgePasada: but really it's because I'm just lazy

16:31:10 JorgePasada: Yeah that too

16:31:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00463935 = 0.1763 BTC [+]

16:31:33 mircea_popescu: what triggered for me was that i was walking through a park yest, and there was this lonely kinda strange tall lanky black haired guy

16:31:36 JorgePasada: Meet people IRL?

16:31:38 JorgePasada: Nah

16:31:40 mircea_popescu: sort-of amir taaki-esque

16:31:52 mircea_popescu: who was fiddling with the camera to get it to sit up so it'll take his picture

16:31:53 mircea_popescu: by himself.

16:32:14 mircea_popescu: it was just him and the crows, which were also playing with sticks and items in a similar figety manner

16:32:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00463949 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {2}

16:32:31 mircea_popescu: and i thought to myself... here's a crow, that has no friends, but through the use of technology will make itself a profile, and put it online

16:32:33 mircea_popescu: and then have friends.

16:32:49 mircea_popescu: solitude is an incredible thing.

16:32:52 JorgePasada: Haha

16:33:02 JorgePasada: That's slightly depressing

16:33:20 mircea_popescu: think : the guy doesn't even have ONE friend to take his picture.

16:33:29 mircea_popescu: beats the "pot to piss in" by a large margin.

16:33:41 moiety: can someone explain to me why i bother with the forum. I have no idea.

16:34:04 benkay: must really enjoy subjecting yourself to mental anguish, moiety

16:34:09 moiety: children are the bane of my existence

16:34:19 benkay: and you don't even have any!

16:34:24 moiety: IK!

16:34:26 kakobrekla: i like solitude and re profiles, they are getting banned or i delete them.

16:34:30 moiety: gimma a shotgun pls

16:34:38 benkay: wouldn't you prefer a cane?

16:35:08 moiety: nah i have no time for that. shotgun + face + close range = can get on with other things nao thx

16:35:34 benkay: you need to hone your glare. shotgun's unnecessary.

16:35:45 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: did you offer to help him take his picture?

16:35:48 benkay: children need to feel the scourge of others opinions early.

16:36:06 mircea_popescu: fluffypony no.

16:36:18 moiety: benkay: it's like explaining to brick walls though

16:36:39 moiety: i don't mind children with ears and half a brain

16:37:27 JorgePasada: moiety: Eh, just ignore them.

16:37:39 JorgePasada: although, that being said, actually curating a good community and good content

16:37:47 JorgePasada: is getting harder every september

16:38:34 mircea_popescu: either that or we're just getting lazier/stupider/etc

16:38:50 benkay: don't explain things to them, that's teaching and takes time. just glare and kill their ego with your disapproval.

16:39:45 benkay: JorgePasada: community has nothing to do with content

16:40:28 JorgePasada: benkay: Disagree

16:40:30 moiety: mircea_popescu: what does 'switch' mean? re the piecharts

16:40:44 mircea_popescu: moiety will play either way.

16:41:08 moiety: ah ty

16:41:24 benkay: mind you, JorgePasada, i'm talking about a real community of humans who get together and derp on a patch of dirt for potatoes or tomatoes during the day and sing and drink at night

16:41:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1485 BTC [-]

16:42:08 benkay: the kind comprised of adults that'd socialize budding humans not poorly.

16:42:38 JorgePasada: benkay: Yeah, I mean we need more of that for sure. But hell, a lot of my very close friends I only interact with online

16:42:54 mircea_popescu: !up JorgePasada

16:42:54 assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.

16:42:59 JorgePasada: I think the problem is when that's the ONLY way you interact with people.

16:43:06 JorgePasada: I really gotta get on this WoT thing

16:43:17 JorgePasada: Stupid lazy brain

16:43:30 JorgePasada: Also, just bought my ticket to the amsterdam

16:43:37 benkay: well don't do only one thing

16:43:42 benkay: have skin in several games, right?

16:43:54 mircea_popescu: ^that.

16:44:06 Apocalyptic: what games are you proposing benkay ?

16:44:58 benkay: you want to know where i put my skin?

16:45:05 benkay: no dice.

16:45:27 moiety: jesus christ this shit annoys me http://fraudsters.com/2014/and-now-for-part-2-of-our-smash-hit-hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/

16:45:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+]

16:46:09 benkay: but at a rough approximation: my own biz, some other biz, -assets, and my personal wot.

16:49:54 JorgePasada: benkay: I like to be in the 'skinning other people who have no game' game. Good biz.

16:51:46 Apocalyptic: <benkay> you want to know where i put my skin? // nortly, that's your business, just wanted to know what you meant by that

16:53:00 benkay: JorgePasada: what could go wrong? lol

16:53:23 JorgePasada: benkay: Step two is still all question marks... so in theory a lot

16:54:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC

16:55:19 benkay: running the confidence game can be very lucrative!

16:55:49 JorgePasada: benkay: I think that's the realization I had when I was like 24 or so

16:56:13 JorgePasada: Wait a minute, all of these people are way way less knowledgable about this stuff than I am, they're just more confident

16:56:31 benkay: tends to be at odds with the gentleman's desire to cultivate an identity, though.

16:56:53 JorgePasada: in what sense do you mean?

16:57:10 benkay: the only identity a con man can sustain is with other thieves.

16:57:44 benkay: his identity (in the sense of a thing that persists past each scam) is only relevant to other scammers. the con man must burn his identity for each con.

16:58:24 JorgePasada: Hmm

16:58:28 JorgePasada: brings an interesting thought

16:58:43 JorgePasada: is identity = reputation?

16:59:17 JorgePasada: But yeah I was more just getting at taking the other side of willing transactions

16:59:21 JorgePasada: where I think people don't understand the market

16:59:27 JorgePasada: I'm happy, they're happy

16:59:35 JorgePasada: Everyone wins

17:00:01 JorgePasada: So I'm reading this article a friend wrote

17:00:02 JorgePasada: https://medium.com/the-magazine/23e551c67a6

17:00:38 moiety: i need this in my life http://9gag.com/gag/aLKV4Qv

17:01:03 moiety: having a read at your link now JorgePasada

17:01:13 JorgePasada: Because a Bitcoin transaction can’t be reversed, it means that the party transferring value has no recourse within the Bitcoin system to reverse or dispute a transaction. Thus, someone who wants their money back has to go to court, and companies that accept Bitcoin as payment aren’t above the law. This will move chargebacks from intermediary mediated settlements to small-claims court and higher civil courts

17:01:22 JorgePasada: That paragraph bothers me.

17:01:39 HeySteve: <+JorgePasada> is identity = reputation? <- I'd say no. identity is what you know of yourself, reputation is what others know of you

17:01:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 976 @ 0.00085096 = 0.8305 BTC [+] {7}

17:02:10 benkay: These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic

17:02:13 benkay: !up Bunnyh

17:02:13 assbot: Voicing Bunnyh for 30 minutes.

17:02:24 JorgePasada: sorry

17:02:27 JorgePasada: paragraph after that

17:02:27 JorgePasada: Bitcoin doesn’t eliminate fraudulent transactions; it only eliminates counterfeit payments. This can, of course, save many tens or hundreds of billions of dollars a year globally and translate to more efficiency in commerce. But removing the intermediary also removes recourse outside of courts, and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.

17:02:45 JorgePasada: more accurately the very last part

17:02:51 JorgePasada: 'and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.'

17:02:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 958 @ 0.00087184 = 0.8352 BTC [+] {5}

17:03:02 JorgePasada: because it's blatantly false

17:03:59 JorgePasada: It's 100% guaranteed to be a net value add to the system as an aggregate

17:04:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1443 @ 0.0008702 = 1.2557 BTC [-] {7}

17:04:10 JorgePasada: or, sorry

17:04:14 JorgePasada: not detract any value

17:04:18 JorgePasada: is a better way of stating it

17:04:22 JorgePasada: Before you only had 2 options

17:04:25 JorgePasada: er, one

17:04:27 JorgePasada: and now you have two

17:05:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1392 BTC [-] {2}

17:05:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 130 @ 0.00090475 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {3}

17:05:13 JorgePasada: Increasing optionality, especially when talking about markets in the aggregate, is always good

17:05:34 JorgePasada: specifically in some cases, yeah it's hard when I have 6 girls to go out with on one friday night, maybe too many options

17:05:56 JorgePasada: but markets don't suffer from decision paralysis

17:06:32 benkay: "It also glosses over theft. Because Bitcoin relies entirely on the private retention of secrets (private keys that prove ownership of given Bitcoins), a stolen Bitcoin is only traceable within the system to a certain extent, and thefts of millions and tens of millions of dollars have already occurred. Because committed transactions are irreversible, stolen Bitcoins are valuable and nearly laundered." << this is bananas.

17:06:47 benkay: as in, makes zero sense.

17:07:41 JorgePasada: Yeah

17:07:47 benkay: sorry JorgePasada i'm not seeing much worth putting through my jelly computer in that medium piece

17:08:27 benkay: let's try something from princessnell: http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/29/scenes-from-a-dying-imperial-city-the-export-import-bank/

17:08:29 JorgePasada: Eh, it's just frustrating because I've talked with him about the bitty coin extensively, and he gets it, and the conclusion isn't bad at all

17:08:51 JorgePasada: but in the middle it's like he's arguing past andreessen

17:09:32 benkay: "It’s almost a mistake that tracking today is possible." << not an alert human.

17:09:36 benkay: it's not a mistake.

17:10:11 JorgePasada: What do you mean?

17:11:16 benkay: who d'you think made the protocol changes that broadcast IP addresses with every network message?

17:11:43 JorgePasada: I mean, I don't see how it could work any other way...

17:11:58 JorgePasada: It's a network, there has to be points of entry

17:12:30 benkay: there's already a connection between two machines sending btc protocol messages back and forth

17:17:13 HeySteve: you can run bitcoin over tor

17:17:43 benkay: the honeypot?

17:18:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]

17:20:23 HeySteve: who knows

17:21:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.004665 = 0.4665 BTC [+] {2}

17:21:30 benkay: -assets knows all

17:21:34 benkay: !up JorgePas_

17:21:34 assbot: Voicing JorgePas_ for 30 minutes.

17:21:50 JorgePas_: stupid comcast

17:22:23 TomServo: Maybe you'll get lucky and get sold to Charter?

17:23:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00470683 = 2.5134 BTC [+] {8}

17:25:25 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/bitcoin-killer-of-nietzschian-nihilism/

17:26:06 TomServo: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/bitcoin-killer-of-nietzschian-nihilism/ ;)

17:26:14 TomServo: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/how-bitcoin-kills-nietzschian-nihilism/

17:26:15 ozbot: Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschian Nihilism | When Bitcoin Met Pete

17:26:20 TomServo: damn clipboard!

17:26:28 bitcoinpete: lol

17:26:37 benkay: lol no page found, bitcoinpete

17:27:01 thestringpuller: !jd MPIF

17:27:01 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28889252 BTC

17:27:02 benkay: ah but the third one

17:27:16 thestringpuller: ;;calc .2 / 50

17:27:16 gribble: 0.004

17:27:30 thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.004 * 20

17:27:31 gribble: 0.08

17:27:35 bitcoinpete: benkay: resolved

17:27:53 bitcoinpete: was fiddling with titles and urls

17:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0697619 = 2.4417 BTC [-] {5}

17:28:41 FabianB: hmm.. F.MPIF already in operation without public funds?

17:28:42 bitcoinpete: i'd never really read nietzsche but he's on the fuckin money as far as -assets and bitcoin go

17:33:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07411003 = 0.1482 BTC [+]

17:33:37 mod6: you should read some of his stuff bitcoinpete

17:34:00 bitcoinpete: mod6: i am now :)

17:34:31 mod6: any specific title?

17:35:02 moiety: bitcoinpete: Nietzschean*

17:36:26 bitcoinpete: moiety: i suppose, though i've seen both

17:36:47 moiety: fe

17:38:33 bitcoinpete: mod6: mostly overview stuff so far, just getting my bearings

17:38:39 bitcoinpete: mod6: any recommendations?

17:41:12 mod6: The Twilight of the Idols, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and The Antichrist are all good. I read now and then from The Will to Power.

17:42:26 mod6: The Will to Power was put together by his sister after his death. Mainly a collection of papers and personal notes. It's good though.

17:42:40 mircea_popescu: FabianB well it was started with my own btc.

17:43:30 mircea_popescu: moiety which part

17:43:59 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: this is among my favourite of the things you've said - "There’s a baby, its bathwater, and Mastercoin. Let’s just throw out the latter two."

17:44:15 FabianB: mircea_popescu: that was my guess after seeing 19:27 <+thestringpuller> !jd MPIF

17:44:22 FabianB: :)

17:45:06 mircea_popescu: <benkay> These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic << it's idiotic.

17:45:12 mircea_popescu: let me guess, derp byrne ?

17:47:34 bitcoinpete: mod6 thanks!

17:47:59 benkay: mircea_popescu: JorgePasada's link.

17:48:00 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: haha ya, that was a decent one

17:48:19 mircea_popescu: o medium.com thing. mk.

17:48:33 bitcoinpete: anyhoo, yoga time. cheers!

17:48:35 JorgePasada: Yeah, not sure what their model is for monetizing that

17:48:40 JorgePasada: Medium.com that is

17:49:17 moiety: mircea_popescu: the whole idea we can't use 'guys'. i get this kind of crap all the time. also when i use 'dude'. i get feminazis giving me into trouble and i am female myself.

17:50:00 mircea_popescu: yeah, why do something useful, that's like hard. better to yak at people about what words they use.

17:50:46 JorgePasada: 'dude brah'

17:51:24 mircea_popescu: benkay https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461201013983416320

17:51:47 mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe it jolts the dude out of his intellectual complacency and he actually gets informed about btc.

17:53:01 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "Bitcoin is infused with several of Nietzsche?s philosophies." that's broken. concepts ? ideas ?

17:53:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:53:02 benkay: twitter users can't think in units of length greater than 140 characters, and they labor over each character. i don't want to suggest we value qlty over qnty but ffs i don't think these people can engage in real time chat style webversations.

17:55:15 mircea_popescu: so let them fail, miserably and humiliatingly, and from that failure learn how little shit they got for brains.

17:55:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that andreessen is a source or has anything to say about bitcoin is laughable, but it's also so very cute

17:56:23 mircea_popescu: basically this guy would like to be here, but he doesn't know that here exists, or how to get here. which, imo, speak to structural deffect. if he weren't a broken being he wouldn't have the problem.

18:00:45 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell hey, what do you know of pando daily ?

18:00:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:00:56 benkay: ;;seen princessnell

18:00:57 gribble: I have not seen princessnell.

18:01:02 benkay: ho ho ho

18:01:33 mircea_popescu: um

18:01:35 mircea_popescu: what was it ?

18:01:56 mircea_popescu: wait, she NEVER said anything ?

18:02:35 benkay: don't recall, no.

18:03:00 benkay: try le tweets.

18:04:31 moiety: i dont remember her actually speaking

18:06:09 moiety: also, is 'guise' safe to use i wonder or are we all supposed to be peeps now

18:07:10 moiety: in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P

18:08:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]

18:08:26 fluffypony: moiety: "niggaz" is the preferred colloquialism to a manul

18:08:37 fluffypony: so I hear

18:08:39 fluffypony: ma nigga

18:09:13 moiety: i thought their preferred speak just consisted of fuck off bitch

18:09:31 HeySteve: ?? http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/04/29/calling-girls-fat-may-make-them-obese.html ??

18:10:08 HeySteve: the stupidity is overwhelming

18:17:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03465383 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2}

18:22:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [+]

18:27:00 benkay: http://www.redbull.com/en/esports/stories/1331647100999/game-of-drones-starcraft-ii-politics

18:27:17 benkay: "In the end, the Christian Democrats failed to secure a player and the Feminist Initiative player had to decline due to other commitments."

18:28:00 pankkake: lel

18:32:08 pankkake: I wonder if Scarlett in http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NESL_Iron_Lady sparked some juicy controversy

18:33:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC

18:35:20 fluffypony: "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo

18:35:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15939 @ 0.00097784 = 15.5858 BTC [+]

18:36:10 benkay: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579531810109573616?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304163604579531810109573616.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_RightTopStories

18:39:33 pankkake: what did he say?

18:42:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]

18:47:47 ThickAsThieves: <+moiety> in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P /// lol, best quote of the day

18:50:43 mod6: bitcoinpete: np. :)

18:53:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06750388 = 6.7504 BTC [-] {4}

18:55:32 mike_c: the worst part of dicks or gtfo is that the channel would be flooded with pics immediately..

18:59:18 moiety: :D

18:59:56 moiety: psssh its just being involved

19:00:52 moiety: might be a slightly wrong route to go, taking away from the manuls and all

19:01:21 moiety: perhaps didnt think this through

19:03:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06736817 = 13.4736 BTC [-] {9}

19:03:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]

19:12:30 fluffypony: oh wow

19:12:38 fluffypony: so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort?

19:12:49 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.160

19:13:25 benkay: !up JorgePasada

19:13:25 assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.

19:13:31 JorgePasada: Also...

19:13:38 JorgePasada: guess what I just did

19:14:20 fluffypony: JorgePasada: had a glass of wine?

19:14:23 fluffypony: nm, that's me

19:14:43 JorgePasada: Nah, finally authenticated

19:14:51 JorgePasada: with the WoT

19:16:15 ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? /// where?

19:16:26 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: link's above

19:16:32 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.160

19:17:12 ThickAsThieves: yeah i clicked

19:17:20 fluffypony: it's all very confusing

19:17:20 ThickAsThieves: and saw nothing even discussing trades

19:17:26 fluffypony: ok well

19:17:27 benkay: ;;ident JorgePasada

19:17:27 gribble: Nick 'JorgePasada', with hostmask 'JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', is identified as user 'JorgePasada', with GPG key id F94255F4860A142A, key fingerprint A5DCC517069DDCB8F4D3050DF94255F4860A142A, and bitcoin address None

19:17:43 fluffypony: MintSpare has disappeared and nobody knows what's potting

19:17:58 fluffypony: then Havelock say "We have been working with Mintspare closely during the past few months and they have a bright future ahead of them. They should and will start to post and respond to requests on this forum."

19:18:13 benkay: ;;rate JorgePasada 1

19:18:14 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JorgePasada has been recorded.

19:18:20 benkay: !down JorgePasada

19:18:25 ThickAsThieves: so HL is saying they havent disappeared?

19:18:29 fluffypony: yes

19:18:30 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada

19:18:31 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=JorgePasada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=JorgePasada | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 15:07:18 2014

19:18:38 fluffypony: so then the question is - why are MintSpare so quiet but Havelock claim to be speaking to them

19:18:40 fluffypony: and ALSO

19:18:43 benkay: aight, JorgePasada /msg assbot !up

19:18:50 fluffypony: Havelock say "We do hold the Bitcoins raised during their offering in escrow and only distribute those funds as needed."

19:18:59 fluffypony: how could they do that without talking to them?

19:19:01 ThickAsThieves: well the forum notoriously wants news when there is none

19:19:04 fluffypony: THEN

19:19:10 ThickAsThieves: altought financial reports would be enough

19:19:10 JorgePasada: Scweet.

19:19:11 fluffypony: they back the fuck up completely

19:19:18 fluffypony: "We don't have any inside information that is not made public."

19:19:33 fluffypony: and they get pushed on whether they're using information to trade

19:19:41 fluffypony: "Full Disclosure: we currently own 733 Units in MS, current value is less than 1 Bitcoin. "

19:19:53 ThickAsThieves: well kinda splitting peanuts

19:20:03 fluffypony: it's all very confusing

19:20:16 ThickAsThieves: well thats what happens when you try to fill a void

19:20:24 ThickAsThieves: you invent gods

19:20:35 pankkake: mintspare raised before the havelock escrow thing

19:20:50 ThickAsThieves: fwiw mintspare came to me first and i sent them packing

19:23:01 ThickAsThieves: fluffypony i'm not sure why you would waste your time on it, did you buy some?

19:23:12 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads

19:24:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]

19:29:36 JorgePasada: Y'all see this yet?

19:29:37 JorgePasada: http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/rulings/pdf/FIN-2014-R007.pdf

19:32:43 fluffypony: well that seems a convenient work around

19:32:48 fluffypony: setup mining operations in the US

19:32:55 fluffypony: rent it to someone outside of the US

19:33:04 fluffypony: make it a zero-sum game

19:36:27 JorgePasada: It's actually a sensible ruling though

19:36:33 JorgePasada: which is strange coming from them

19:37:25 *: benkay raises an eyebrow

19:37:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00098027 = 23.6245 BTC [+] {3}

19:37:45 benkay: either that or there are sensible people at the helm in some places. hard to believe, but a possibility.

19:38:34 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461228021685690368

19:38:35 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @GlennF You should. Unlike ...

19:38:37 pankkake: or crazy laws get ignored anyway, especially with bitcoin

19:38:52 mircea_popescu: glenn thinks he should not have to listen to assbot on the grounds of assbot's amazing name

19:38:52 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:38:57 mircea_popescu: on the same grounds, i

19:39:33 mircea_popescu: i'll have my horses graze on him. for he's a glenn, and they like glens.

19:40:06 JorgePasada: Haha

19:41:35 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? << no. they're just trying to make vague claims as to anything. that they're registered, should that seem desirable. that they're mp, should that appear a value. that anything and everything, no matter what it may be.

19:41:37 mircea_popescu: scammers always do.

19:41:47 JorgePasada: Thanks mircea_popescu, now I'm going to get shit about that :-P

19:41:57 mircea_popescu: idiots, of course, never have the sense to actually name names, and admit whom they wish to copy, and for what reason, and what all that means.

19:42:22 fluffypony: oh didn't they get busted like today for not being registered on the Panamanian SEC?

19:43:21 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads << i imagine he's picked up the benkay task.

19:43:28 mircea_popescu: it IS a great way to build an intellect in this space.

19:43:32 fluffypony: you know what they say

19:43:39 fluffypony: "they see me trollin', they hatin'"

19:44:15 benkay: i learned to sniff out the banal stench of scam and stopped.

19:44:16 mircea_popescu: surely.

19:45:14 mircea_popescu: oh by the way, rehashing http://fraudsters.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#identifier_0_52070

19:45:18 JorgePasada: I used to spend time on the forums back in the day... back when you could actually find useful information without digging through pages of BS

19:45:21 mircea_popescu: if anyone's not seen the lion in winter, you definitely must.

19:46:12 mircea_popescu: o'toole, hepburn, hopkins...

19:48:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]

19:49:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [+] {2}

20:11:05 pankkake: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation

20:11:06 ozbot: Virtual Mining Corporation and Active Mining Corporation | Wood Law Firm

20:11:40 pankkake: what's wood law? some class action thing?

20:12:10 pankkake: eh, they have BFL too

20:16:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0075 = 0.2025 BTC [+]

20:17:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03414675 = 0.4098 BTC [-] {2}

20:23:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]

20:34:03 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559776.0

20:34:04 ozbot: [TEASER] Multi-Key Lockboxes

20:38:53 mircea_popescu: pankkake yes they were suing bfl.

20:39:00 pankkake: were?

20:39:02 mircea_popescu: !up mumu

20:39:02 assbot: Voicing mumu for 30 minutes.

20:39:47 kakobrekla: then bfl promised them two monarchs and they took the deal.

20:40:04 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down.

20:40:36 mircea_popescu: pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2014#608678

20:40:48 mircea_popescu: !up Thelamarvelous1

20:40:48 assbot: Voicing Thelamarvelous1 for 30 minutes.

20:44:32 Thelamarvelous1: Hi everyone

20:45:01 mike_c: hello!

20:45:51 Thelamarvelous1: I have a contact on here so i talk to him... but im real new here

20:46:05 Thelamarvelous1: What should i know

20:46:33 mike_c: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/ << a decent place to start.

20:46:35 ozbot: start [bitcoin assets wiki]

20:46:58 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/WEJQ4SNV

20:46:58 ozbot: Mircea_Popescu @GlennF The consensus seems to be that your noggin ain't really w - Pastebin.com

20:47:05 mircea_popescu: a fine example of educated idiocy.

20:47:29 mircea_popescu: why's it so hard for the inferior to do what they are told by better men in no uncertain terms ?

20:48:17 Thelamarvelous1: who wants to do what they are told All the time. That is not smart.

20:49:18 ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down. /// looks up to me, but that's the second downtime already... a testament to Namecheap's hosting service.

20:49:21 mircea_popescu: Thelamarvelous1 how do you know ?

20:49:35 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they're not known for their hosting really

20:50:20 Thelamarvelous1: Because that is the plan in the first place

20:50:21 ThickAsThieves: all i have otherwise is a client server (all that's left of my mktg biz is the website hosting)

20:50:34 ThickAsThieves: so i didnt wanna worry about more servers n shit

20:50:36 mike_c: you might be cached. it seems down. http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/devilsadvocate.biz.html

20:50:41 Thelamarvelous1: Dumb people down then tell them what to do

20:50:49 ThickAsThieves: motherfucker

20:51:08 kakobrekla: is that fincern mining thingy worthy of wiki, if so, someone should put it there.

20:51:10 pankkake: Thelamarvelous1: first step would be to register with gribble

20:51:28 ThickAsThieves: the mining thing seems a little too obvious to be noteworthy imo

20:51:35 ThickAsThieves: but who knows

20:51:53 kakobrekla: fuck you just trying to get someone to do some work there.

20:52:03 Thelamarvelous1: Tbabks... how do I do that pankkake?

20:52:12 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:52:26 *: ThickAsThieves give kako some cake

20:52:30 ThickAsThieves: gives*

20:52:41 *: kakobrekla hides it from mp quickly

20:52:44 pankkake: Thelamarvelous1: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide

20:53:00 Thelamarvelous1: Thanks for the info

20:54:03 kakobrekla: imma be a smartass

20:54:07 kakobrekla: Thelamarvelous1 http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

20:54:57 jborkl_: I got a API to the site and working on a pubnub to stream in live trade data :)

20:55:10 kakobrekla: of what?

20:56:03 jborkl_: bcoinnews.com - changing over all my data to my databases, so I will not be pulling in outsude data and relying on that

20:56:27 kakobrekla: you run this?

20:56:38 jborkl_: yep

20:57:48 mircea_popescu: hey! cake goes to my stash of uneaten cake!

20:57:58 ThickAsThieves: namecheap: Roman G: What was the exact error you received?

20:57:59 jborkl_: working on the pubnub- the documentation is pretty shitty so I am struggling

20:58:02 ThickAsThieves: motherfucker!

20:58:06 ThickAsThieves: my website aint loading

20:58:27 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves now you get to be the customer and always wrong!

20:58:32 mircea_popescu: what was the error code biatch!

20:59:33 ThickAsThieves: Roman G: The issue was reported to our technicians at once and it should be fixed now

20:59:36 ThickAsThieves: magical...

21:00:27 ThickAsThieves: Roman G: I understand your frustration and would like to keep monitoring your website performance for another 2-3 days and in case of any issues do not hesitate to contact us back at once

21:00:30 Thelamarvelous1: Now I'll be reading all night. But thanks guys. See ya soon.

21:00:42 ThickAsThieves: lol all i said was is there something we can do to stop the problems

21:00:48 mike_c: magical beans didn't work for me.

21:00:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097722 = 5.8633 BTC [-] {2}

21:00:53 mircea_popescu: Thelamarvelous1 other than teenagers, reading is the best way to spend a night.

21:01:22 ThickAsThieves: mike_c i gotta step out but i imagine itll sort out shortly :/

21:03:51 jurov: heh namcheap..heard already that godaddy discontinued email support?

21:04:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00098416 = 26.1787 BTC [+]

21:07:50 pankkake: what kind of support is left?

21:08:52 asciilifeform: fluffypony: setup mining operations in the US... rent it to someone outside << lol, you think 'rule of law' is a thing in the usa

21:09:09 fluffypony: asciilifeform: true that

21:10:40 asciilifeform: fluffypony: the only remaining actual law is - 'Не верь, не бойся, не проси' ("Don't Believe, Don't Fear and Don't Ask." russian prison maxim, at least a century old)

21:10:59 Thelamarvelous1: This all seems like a lot to swallow for me in 1 nigbt.

21:11:27 fluffypony: I want to go to Russia fucking badly

21:11:51 asciilifeform: fluffypony: why?

21:12:00 pankkake: russian girls?

21:12:32 fluffypony: asciilifeform: I find the culture fascinating - I wouldn't want to live there (hate snow), but I find the culture so different to everything else that it intrigues me

21:12:42 fluffypony: and I think the architecture in places is incredible

21:13:21 fluffypony: although I'd probably end up quoting "Fiddler on the Roof" the whole time if I went there

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21:16:48 asciilifeform: speaking of russia - they import derp by the boatload.

21:16:49 asciilifeform: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/2014/02#.D0.A3.D0.B1.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.82.D1.8C_.D1.81.D1.81.D1.8B.D0.BB.D0.BA.D1.83_.D0.BD.D0.B0_Lib.ru_.D0.B8.D0.B7_.D0.BA.D0.B0.D1.80.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.87.D0.B5.D0.BA

21:17:09 pankkake: long url is long

21:17:11 asciilifeform: tldr - russian pediwikia bans the mega-library lib.ru - on account of warez.

21:17:22 mike_c: a share of S.MG on havelock is worth 30% less than a share of smg on mpex. that is quite a discount.

21:17:31 mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's so fascinating because it's so unexpectedly absent :D

21:18:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+]

21:19:06 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I disagree - people have been living there for more than a few hundred years, which means they've developed not only a language, but art and architecture and even ways of thinking that differ from my own...which I think is the essence of "culture"

21:19:18 asciilifeform: the thing that makes this a mega-lol is that lib.ru sold out to copyrasts years ago - charges for access to a number of things, incl. books by folks who never asked for this

21:19:44 asciilifeform: the 'real library' has been at flibusta.net, for ages.

21:20:07 asciilifeform: (someone mirrored the good stuff, 'took ball and went home.')

21:20:46 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: don't get me wrong - I'm a huge opera buff, and I could get lost in the architecture of the ancient Greeks, but I love being in places that are so fundamentally different to my own frame of reference

21:20:55 asciilifeform: (strike that. lib.ru was merely censored. it's some of the mirrors that charge)

21:21:04 jurov: pankkake online chat ..with 1hr waiting times reported

21:21:05 fluffypony: probably why I've enjoyed (some) Indian cinema so much

21:21:23 pankkake: jurov: I really need to move the domains I have left there :/

21:22:11 asciilifeform: fluffypony: if you're expecting to find the village from 'fiddler' in russia, i must disappoint you.

21:22:22 mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/816/la-clippers-donald-sterling-to-take-a-hike/ << that was fast.

21:22:26 ozbot: BitBet - LA Clippers' Donald Sterling to take a hike

21:22:30 asciilifeform: they all went to gasenwagen in the war.

21:23:01 mike_c: "Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been banned for life by the NBA in response to racist comments the league says he made in a recorded conversation."

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21:26:54 fluffypony: asciilifeform: I jest about Fiddler on the Roof:) I think things like the Golden Gate and all those cathedrals with the semi-spherical towers (Saint Basil's being the obvious go-to for every movie set in Russia ever) are a sight to see. also Manshikof (sp?) tower and the Chelyabinsk opera house are on the list.

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21:27:38 fluffypony: Menshikov, apologies

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21:56:37 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i was just trying to troll stan

21:56:39 mircea_popescu: aparently he's immune

21:56:52 fluffypony: lol

22:00:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c wow, they can ban AN OWNER ?!

22:00:36 mircea_popescu: how the fuck does that work. he... owns it.

22:01:01 asciilifeform: the way i understand it, the team won't be permitted in matches so long as he is owner.

22:01:18 ThickAsThieves: ...

22:01:25 ThickAsThieves: i'm skeptical of that function

22:02:06 ThickAsThieves: does he have some kind of code on conduct in some kind of contract with the NBA that allows any of this?

22:02:16 ThickAsThieves: and is it in conflict with freedom of speech?

22:02:31 ThickAsThieves: seems like a mess could blow up in NBA's face

22:02:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's in the us, so im sure it does.

22:03:07 mircea_popescu: i own a girl who recounted the story of how the school administration made all the girls lift up their skirts to prove they actually were wearing panties or not be allowed inside the hs end party

22:03:17 mircea_popescu: which party included no booze and was supposed to end by 20:00

22:03:18 ThickAsThieves: wow

22:03:30 mircea_popescu: this, of course, so that no unbecoming conduct etc. imagine.

22:03:45 ThickAsThieves: leave the flaw so we may fix them

22:03:52 cazalla: mircea_popescu: "the average declared weight is 180.94 kgs" and i thought i was a chubby chaser

22:04:11 asciilifeform: 180kg? elephants?

22:04:15 ThickAsThieves: lbs, it turns out

22:04:17 asciilifeform: lol

22:04:21 jurov: they construe it as "hate speech does not fall under freedom of speech" and/or "fredom of speech concerns only your relationship with govt, since we're not govt, we're free to punish you as we see fit"

22:04:47 ThickAsThieves: cuz nba has no relationship with gov?

22:04:58 mircea_popescu: jurov funny thing is... that's how unfreedom of speech always works lol.

22:05:08 mircea_popescu: if you asked them, the romanian communists were all for freedom of speech

22:05:13 mircea_popescu: provided, of course, it wasn't hate speech.

22:05:35 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/MdUAdeM.jpg

22:05:37 fluffypony: lol

22:05:39 ThickAsThieves: i dont get why this is necessary

22:05:43 asciilifeform: mr. mold once described the 'diversity quota' crap as 'there must be a Party member on every elevator ride.'

22:05:44 ThickAsThieves: if they dont like him, leave

22:06:05 mircea_popescu: !up time12345

22:06:05 assbot: Voicing time12345 for 30 minutes.

22:06:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's not that they "don't like him". it's that they just got a cock and would like me to be impressed.

22:06:28 mircea_popescu: i am not and all the rest of youse have to suffer.

22:06:40 ThickAsThieves: some rapper was saying how all black people are cowards

22:06:42 mircea_popescu: "The fine will be donated to organizations dedicated to anti-discrimination and tolerance efforts that will be jointly selected by the NBA and the Players Association, Silver said."

22:06:51 ThickAsThieves: cuz all they did was flip their jerseys inside out in protest

22:06:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, what sport is this ? basketball ?

22:07:00 ThickAsThieves: yes

22:07:10 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/813/btc-to-top-4000-before-passing-below-400/#c2870 << lol logic.

22:07:13 ozbot: BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400

22:07:14 asciilifeform: is there a single white man playing?

22:07:19 ThickAsThieves: yes

22:07:23 ThickAsThieves: like 3 or some shit

22:07:25 mircea_popescu: well good, i hadn't been following it for ~20 years, and now i have a good answer if anyone asks me

22:07:37 mircea_popescu: "o no, i won't be involved with basketball, they're nigger loving faggots"

22:07:48 jurov: tolerance enforcement dept.

22:08:19 mircea_popescu: ayup. the harder they push, the rougher it gets.

22:09:09 ThickAsThieves: ha i'm at kat.ph and they have another great ad

22:09:17 ThickAsThieves: "Life is short. have an affair."

22:12:22 mircea_popescu: of all the conceivable reasons to have an affair...

22:12:24 dexX7: http://bitbet.us/bet/813/btc-to-top-4000-before-passing-below-400 < lol what?

22:12:26 ozbot: BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400

22:12:30 mircea_popescu: what the hell happened to "you like the girl"

22:12:40 ThickAsThieves: i cheated on a girl. once.

22:12:56 dexX7: outcome yes, if price rises above 4000 and THEN goes sub 400?

22:13:15 mircea_popescu: mno

22:13:22 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:13:53 ThickAsThieves: fukn bitbet scammorz

22:14:15 dexX7: stupid language ambiguousness <.<"

22:14:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the solution to the megaphone madman (mentioned in your 'twitter' page) isn't laser - it's ultrasonic 'voice in head' trick.

22:14:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: two beams, ~40kHz, audible payload in beat frequency.

22:14:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: victim's head (or microphone) becomes heterodyne.

22:15:58 ThickAsThieves: interesting, never heard of this til now

22:16:57 ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm reading too much into it

22:17:06 ThickAsThieves: is this just dissonance?

22:17:22 ThickAsThieves: they use example for Beat in tuning

22:18:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's wave composition basically

22:18:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did she ever contact you ?

22:20:05 ThickAsThieves: "If the proposal before us now turns out to be insufficient or if we observe anyone taking advantage of the rule, I won't hesitate to use Title II," writes Wheeler, referring to an option that would let the FCC regulate ISPs much like landline phones.

22:20:34 mircea_popescu: derp

22:21:19 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bma3LzrCEAE4lyI.png:large

22:21:23 mircea_popescu: check out the wit of the scotus.

22:21:34 mircea_popescu: having two cellphones, now a criminal indicia.

22:22:05 mircea_popescu: i suppose the times of blackberry and iphone have been quickly forgotten have htey.

22:22:18 mircea_popescu: i suppose not having a phone at all is the mark of the terrorist, isnt it.

22:22:36 ThickAsThieves: then i'm in trouble

22:24:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00097475 = 27.9753 BTC [-] {2}

22:24:48 mircea_popescu: Matt Warner @mattstate .@libertydotfees Hey jerk, Stef authored several books, produced 1000's of hrs, and is stopping child abuse. What have you done for liberty?

22:24:48 mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @mattstate @libertydotfees I wrote a guide on how to beat women. In Romanian. http://fraudsters.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ How about you ?

22:24:53 mircea_popescu: that should go over well.

22:26:21 fluffypony: HEY JERK

22:26:39 fluffypony: the call of the Lesser Spotted Internet White Knight

22:27:00 ThickAsThieves: why do you beat them anyway?

22:27:20 mircea_popescu: builds character.

22:28:19 ThickAsThieves: :/

22:29:17 mircea_popescu: im not kidding. it does.

22:30:03 ThickAsThieves: i dont get how this all comes to be though

22:30:11 mircea_popescu: so ask a q.

22:30:27 ThickAsThieves: like you meet a girl, fuck her, she sticks around and you just start beating her one morning?

22:30:39 ThickAsThieves: it's honestly the only thing i cant rationalize about you

22:30:44 ThickAsThieves: the slaving beating stuff

22:37:50 benkay: some people get off on pain, ThickAsThieves

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: no dude.

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: well sort me out!

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: jesus lol that's a weird idea.

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: how do you meet girls ?

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: a you're married. well, suppose we're playing second life, and you're not you. so

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: i dont, anymore

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: how do you meet girls ?

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: probably at the bar or via business dealings

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: so there's this girl you like. what do you do ?

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: we chat and if it's at the bar we likely go get it on to some degree hf bases

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: if work, we meet up and maybe not mess around right away

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: honestly i wouldnt plan any of it

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: so there's no connection whatsoever other than...well... she's got a cunt and you got a plug that fits ?

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: i'd do whatever made sense at the time i felt i needed to do something

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: no

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: i'd need to learn about her

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: and her about you ?

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: i assume

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: so then why'd it be a surprise, just one day... honey, whack!

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: i was being extreme lol

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: i'm just saying i dont get it

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: suppose you couldn't come. i mean you got all the parts, and fucking is fun, just, you don't splooge.

22:37:54 ThickAsThieves: ok

22:37:54 mircea_popescu: you figure you'd have a pow wow with the girl about this ?

22:37:55 ThickAsThieves: maybe

22:37:55 mircea_popescu: or just let her figure it out on her own

22:37:55 mircea_popescu: after 8 and a half hours trying to make you cum on her face.

22:37:55 ThickAsThieves: in my own experience if i cant it's been with women i probly shouldnt have been fucking

22:37:55 ThickAsThieves: oh you mean if she's bad at it in general

22:37:55 ThickAsThieves: sure you help

22:37:55 mircea_popescu: well whatever it is, you got three balls, you ejaculate tabsco sauce, it doesn't matter.

22:37:55 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:37:55 benkay: some people get off on delivering it

22:37:55 mircea_popescu: point being, at least among sane people, it wouldn't come as a surprise

22:37:55 mircea_popescu: if you'll pardon the pun.

22:37:55 ThickAsThieves: hmm maybe we made a silebnt leap i missed

22:37:55 ThickAsThieves: is the beating only sexual?

22:37:56 ThickAsThieves: i know this

22:38:02 ThickAsThieves: but i was isolating the beating

22:38:16 ThickAsThieves: not realizing this might be strictly sexual

22:38:36 mircea_popescu: what do you mean by "strictly sexual" ?

22:38:53 ThickAsThieves: like when you say "i wrote about how to beat women" it doesnt necessarily mean about sex-related events

22:39:03 mircea_popescu: oh.

22:39:08 ThickAsThieves: i knew i shouldnt have said strictly

22:39:15 mircea_popescu: no, it's sexual.

22:39:18 ThickAsThieves: ok

22:39:24 ThickAsThieves: so i get it a lil better then

22:39:28 mircea_popescu: just sexual probably means more than you readily represent.

22:39:50 mircea_popescu: making her shine your shoes and kneel while doing it is perhaps not your idea of sexual, for instance.

22:40:11 ThickAsThieves: not as a habit, but i could see it being sexual

22:40:26 mircea_popescu: right

22:40:39 ThickAsThieves: is this the same context i should apply to your slaving?

22:40:48 ThickAsThieves: or is that more nuanced?

22:40:53 mircea_popescu: so she's been bad, she gets spanked, it closes off the experience and she doesn't have to continue beating herself up for it, for instance.

22:41:32 mircea_popescu: there are many edges to it, it's not strictly the sensuous pleasure of getting caned.

22:41:52 mircea_popescu: and yes when i say slavery i mean a very intimate and absolutey sexual thing.

22:42:33 ThickAsThieves: are your slaves also your maids n shit, or do they live their own lives with careers and such?

22:43:03 mircea_popescu: well they start as idiotic webizens, exactly where you'd expect the average twennysomething to find herself.

22:43:19 mircea_popescu: and a decade later they can command their own regiment.

22:43:32 mircea_popescu: not all want to, tho.

22:43:53 ThickAsThieves: i see

22:44:16 mircea_popescu: there's something very satisfying about serving, too. especially people you deeply respect and otherwise adore.

22:44:54 ThickAsThieves: hax

22:45:52 mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid

22:45:52 assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

22:45:54 CheckDavid: Yes indeed ThickAsThieves.

22:45:57 ThickAsThieves: i'm surprised no one else asked about all this before

22:45:59 CheckDavid: Thanks mircea_popescu

22:46:04 ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm just dumb

22:46:10 CheckDavid: How many slaves do you own mircea?

22:46:21 mircea_popescu: it varies.

22:46:30 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i imagine it's a doozy.

22:46:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: she ever contact you << nein.

22:46:52 CheckDavid: Mircea. Do you have a slave auto trader?

22:47:03 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid i just acquired a coupla, you seen the f.mpif ?

22:47:15 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

22:47:15 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28893898 BTC

22:47:20 CheckDavid: No. What's that?

22:47:21 mircea_popescu: thar she blows.

22:47:26 ThickAsThieves: such profit

22:47:35 CheckDavid: That's your gambling money?

22:47:37 mircea_popescu: good autotrader

22:47:46 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how many days is that?

22:47:49 thestringpuller: 3-4?

22:47:53 mircea_popescu: like that yea

22:47:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: having two cellphones, now a criminal << quite a few people i know have 2+. 'human' and 'work' phone.

22:48:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform supreme court doesn't agree with you. sorry.

22:48:40 ThickAsThieves: i'd like ascii on the supreme court

22:48:44 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was a sudden hit at one point that made 90% of it tho

22:48:46 ThickAsThieves: he'd be a celeb for sure

22:50:04 mike_c: mircea_popescu: nba owner is banned from attending games (even his own), and can't participate in league business. they are trying to get him to "relinquish" his ownership, whatever that means.

22:50:41 mircea_popescu: mike_c i hope he fights the shit out of them.

22:51:00 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: supreme court << eh, i'd rather sit on a 'troika'

22:51:02 mircea_popescu: like... you want a war ? you got a war. sue each and every single person involved at any level with the nba, independently.

22:51:04 asciilifeform: but that's just me

22:51:09 mircea_popescu: let's see who runs out of money first sorta deal.

22:51:30 CheckDavid: "The manual labor your slaves are capable of with the sweat and tears they excrete is the only true measure of wealth" -- Mircea Popescu - 1998

22:51:34 mircea_popescu: guy's got what, 100mn to blow ? rhather than leave it to charity...

22:51:43 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid wait what ?

22:52:07 benkay: !up princessnell

22:52:07 assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.

22:52:21 benkay: afternoon, princess

22:52:24 benkay: afternoon, princessnell

22:55:29 CheckDavid: Loool

22:56:03 mircea_popescu: !up princessnell

22:56:03 assbot: Voice for princessnell extended to 30 minutes.

22:56:03 CheckDavid: I'm kidding

22:56:04 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: what's the place of crypto currencies in the world?

22:56:04 CheckDavid: And how many do we need?

22:56:04 mircea_popescu: what am i, the eight ball ?

22:56:05 asciilifeform: 3.

22:56:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one for each testicle ?

22:56:05 CheckDavid: No idea

22:56:05 CheckDavid: Felt like asking you that

22:56:05 asciilifeform: dijkstra once read a lecture, and exclaimed 'how many bugs shall we tolerate?!' one wag stands up - '3!'

22:56:05 CheckDavid: I don't expect future forecasts

22:56:06 asciilifeform: nm, it was '7'

22:56:06 asciilifeform: http://lispy.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/lisp50-notes-part-v-interlisp-parc-and-the-common-lisp-consolidation-wars

22:56:06 asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (He?d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) ?How many bugs are we going to tolerate?? he demanded. ?Seven,? Teitelman shot back.'

22:56:07 ozbot: Lisp50 Notes part V: Interlisp, PARC, and the Common Lisp Consolidation Wars | Learning Lisp

22:56:28 mircea_popescu: "But Teitelman came off as being at once knowledgeable and approachable. He didn?t exude any of the ?dysfunctional Lisp-programmer? type attitudes at all. (Not that anyone else did?.)"

22:56:34 mircea_popescu: people need to learn how to write ;/

22:56:39 mike_c: mircea_popescu: he might only have 50mn, his wife is making a grab too :)

22:56:53 mircea_popescu: mike_c that's the idea, spend it all on litigation first.

22:56:56 mircea_popescu: die poor, but fucking happy.

22:57:11 mircea_popescu: only hire black lawyer chicks over 180 that'll give you nookie, too.

22:57:12 asciilifeform: mike_c - he might discover that the 100m belong to the crown, which now owns his arse, and not to himself

22:57:38 asciilifeform: sport magnate 'can also have problems'

22:58:20 mike_c: he's likely got enough money to buy some friends in gov'ment. it will be interesting. guys like that don't traditionally go quietly.

22:58:23 mircea_popescu: if only these schmucks learned to stop sliding quietly into the night.

22:58:41 asciilifeform: tell... khodorkovsky.

22:58:56 mike_c: hm, actually i don't know if he inherited or is self-made. self-made rich guys don't usually go quietly.

22:59:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, you imagine the usg would have the guts ? what's this, the future ?

22:59:17 mircea_popescu: !up princess-nell

22:59:17 assbot: Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.

22:59:26 princess-nell: hey

22:59:27 mircea_popescu: missy stop jumping nicks

22:59:30 princess-nell: sry

22:59:40 asciilifeform: it's a fight of the crowned gutless vs. the moneyed gutless

22:59:40 mircea_popescu: so what do you know what pando daily is ?

22:59:56 princess-nell: it's a silicon valley gossip blog thing

23:00:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. it's a fucking boxing match among cowards, blergh. i demand better show.

23:00:09 mircea_popescu: princess-nell what do you want to do with your future ?

23:00:20 princess-nell: that's a good question

23:00:31 princess-nell: probably to get the hell out of the us for the first thing

23:00:36 mircea_popescu: ok. what pando daily claims and proposes it wants to be is this true news venue.

23:00:49 mircea_popescu: it did manage to get out some decent reporting. it seems it's sinking tho.

23:01:04 mircea_popescu: actually doing it sound like your thing at all ?

23:01:28 princess-nell: sure

23:01:33 mircea_popescu: lol that was quick.

23:02:03 mircea_popescu: it's an endless pushing uphill for very little money, journalism. why'd you want it ?!

23:02:14 princess-nell: i enjoy writing

23:02:21 fluffypony: princess-nell: come to Africa!

23:02:24 fluffypony: that's my new siren call

23:02:30 fluffypony: I'm inviting everyone

23:02:40 mircea_popescu: a stupid reason as any other. well, anyway : who do you know that can rack muck ? can you get a team together ?

23:03:48 princess-nell: hmm. probably not. everyone who isn't a coward has more important things to do.

23:03:57 mircea_popescu: that's an apt observation.

23:04:20 ThickAsThieves: i'm still willing to go to bitcoin2014 under any charge

23:04:38 ThickAsThieves: (the amsterdam conf)

23:04:43 princess-nell: where are you in africa?

23:04:49 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves weren't you going to ask i forgot who i forgot what ?

23:04:50 fluffypony: princess-nell: South Africa

23:04:53 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: why

23:05:12 princess-nell: and you want more people to move there?

23:05:28 mircea_popescu: he's on irc all day long and his wife's getting bored.

23:05:35 fluffypony: princess-nell: it's beautiful here

23:05:37 ThickAsThieves: cuz i like amsterdam, wouldnt mind some offtime to write uo a bizplan, and i like putting people on the spor

23:05:39 ThickAsThieves: spot*

23:06:29 ThickAsThieves: i'll ask any of them whatever as long as it doesnt get me jailed and is an honest question

23:06:44 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: so go to amsterdam. why visit the wankatronics experts?

23:06:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever picked at a scab ?

23:07:12 ThickAsThieves: i'm a somewhat superstitious guy with some things

23:07:17 asciilifeform: aye.

23:07:17 asciilifeform: so that'd be it.

23:07:23 ThickAsThieves: i like it when things comke together

23:07:33 ThickAsThieves: somewhat coincidentally

23:08:11 ThickAsThieves: it's the coelho in me

23:08:17 ThickAsThieves: ;)

23:08:33 asciilifeform: fluffypony: we u.s. folks don't need to go to africa. it'll come to us soon enough.

23:08:57 mircea_popescu: eloel

23:09:17 fluffypony: lawlz

23:10:34 ThickAsThieves: who is princess-nell anyway?

23:10:39 ThickAsThieves: got link?

23:11:04 mircea_popescu: @anjiecast. http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/29/scenes-from-a-dying-imperial-city-the-export-import-bank/ this chick.

23:11:32 ThickAsThieves: thx

23:13:59 asciilifeform: http://theumlaut.com/2014/02/11/the-wired-mans-burden

23:14:07 asciilifeform: ^ same woman, on the 'google bus war'

23:14:20 ThickAsThieves: we have "economic development councils" in the local counties, which seem to mostly serve sending employees on trips and making studies that show how other people's work is their own somehow

23:19:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07538979 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {5}

23:22:42 asciilifeform: for those who missed 'bus war' -

23:22:44 asciilifeform: http://pando.com/2013/12/20/breaking-protesters-attack-google-bus-in-west-oakland-smashing-window

23:22:46 ozbot: BREAKING: Protesters attack Google bus in West Oakland, smashing window | PandoDaily

23:23:01 ThickAsThieves: ah yes, she mentions the Chamber of Commerce too

23:23:03 ThickAsThieves: such a joke

23:23:45 asciilifeform: http://sfist.com/2013/05/06/google_bus_pinata_smashed_during_an.php

23:25:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

23:25:18 ThickAsThieves: sorry but the mission, the tenderloin, those place could use cleaning up

23:25:26 ThickAsThieves: places

23:26:25 ThickAsThieves: !up princess-nell

23:26:25 assbot: Voice for princess-nell extended to 30 minutes.

23:26:51 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: the anti-google thing was because of 'they're bidding up our prices'

23:27:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07478886 = 0.2244 BTC [-]

23:27:33 ThickAsThieves: why do they stop at google?

23:27:40 ThickAsThieves: just blame all things down the path

23:27:48 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there

23:27:51 ThickAsThieves: inflation, landlords, the city, the state gov

23:27:59 princess-nell: they don't like "silicon valley" generally

23:28:01 ThickAsThieves: well they arent actually local right

23:28:08 ThickAsThieves: people that work there live there

23:28:17 ThickAsThieves: cuz it (was) cheaper)

23:29:46 asciilifeform: also looks like that city has a law permitting landlords to revoke leases in order to sell the land

23:30:40 ThickAsThieves: i bet princess-nell loved this commenter "Thanks. Very impressive and insightful, especially coming from a woman. Libertarian chicks are always the hottest."

23:30:42 ThickAsThieves: lol

23:31:16 fluffypony: ok bed time, night all

23:31:25 princess-nell: ya, i got a kick out of it

23:34:38 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/whistleblower-claims-google-stole-money-from-publishers-1569412191/+sarah-hedgecock

23:34:39 ozbot: Whistleblower Claims Google Stole Money From Publishers Using Adsense

23:37:34 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: concepts… definitely concepts

23:38:41 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell dexX7 kinda just random blah blah, but y'know, wallet inspectors

23:38:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:39:18 dexX7: ah kk

23:39:27 bitcoinpete: having a fun dm convo with my little bro about the clippers dude.

23:39:42 bitcoinpete: he's all "there's no place for racism"

23:40:39 bitcoinpete: i'm all "common people don't decide what's good and bad, shit all we can do about dude's personal affairs, racism isn't a thing, etc."

23:41:15 bitcoinpete: gotta crack some eggs on the kid

23:41:24 mircea_popescu: %y

23:41:26 mircea_popescu: %t

23:41:28 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 220 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 32k High: 190 Low: 190 VWAP: 190

23:42:04 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there << recall the original michael moore piece ?

23:42:14 bitcoinpete: i know, i should invite him here...

23:42:24 mircea_popescu: some derpage about how people living off gm in a city that exists because of gm are allowed to hate gm ?

23:42:39 princess-nell: i for one welcome the purges

23:43:49 mircea_popescu: lol @ "especially coming from a woman" part. yeah, teh neckbeards are such a well spoken, brilliant lot.

23:44:21 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: commenter had to be trollin', just had to

23:45:20 bitcoinpete: "Men who live in unhealthy countries find the faces of masculine women more attractive http://econ.st/1tZUwnZ pic.twitter.com/zzJx5awpPa"

23:46:15 mircea_popescu: there;s nothing in that graph

23:46:59 mircea_popescu: !up bitstein

23:46:59 assbot: Voicing bitstein for 30 minutes.

23:47:23 bitstein: Thanks. Howdy.

23:47:41 mircea_popescu: heya. and who might you be ?

23:47:45 mircea_popescu: %book

23:47:46 atcbot: 6k@230 60k@225 10k@220 | 128k@195 2k@170 5k@156

23:47:57 mircea_popescu: %block

23:48:03 bitstein: Michael Goldstein - Founder and President of the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute - http://bitste.in/

23:48:07 mircea_popescu: %last_block

23:48:10 atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30370 Time: 2014-04-29T23:39:10Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000001dde1c79d88b2c06a761fe14ecbed4f43d10ee1a7676790f46fa Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 552 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1

23:48:12 bitcoinpete: heya bitstein!

23:48:37 mircea_popescu: bitstein aha. get in the wot.

23:48:53 benkay: hey BingoBoingo what was the computer you smoked trying to get a 4096 bit key on?

23:49:08 benkay: ooh and what happened to the nominal doxxing of satoshi nakamoto?

23:49:10 BingoBoingo: benkay: Mac SE/30

23:49:14 asciilifeform: http://valleywag.gawker.com/anarchist-protestors-blocked-uber-cars-in-the-streets-o-1568739346

23:49:15 ozbot: Anarchist Protestors Blocked Uber Cars in the Streets of Seattle

23:49:20 benkay: and why'd it get smoked? too hot?

23:49:29 cgcardona_: hi everyone

23:50:03 benkay: afternoon cgcardona_

23:50:08 cgcardona_: o/

23:50:29 cgcardona_: probably been hashed over a thousand times but thoughts on the MIT $100 worth of btc per student news?

23:50:35 mircea_popescu: bitstein register your nick with nickserv first.

23:50:40 mircea_popescu: ;;google freenode register nick

23:50:41 gribble: FAQ - Freenode: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml; freenode: using the network: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml; How to Register a User Name on Freenode: 7 Steps (with Pictures): http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode

23:50:56 mircea_popescu: then get gpg going on a secure system and get registered with gribble.

23:51:07 bitcoinpete: bitstein: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/

23:51:08 cgcardona_: ^^

23:51:12 BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe? Looks like a couple capacitors popped.

23:51:17 cgcardona_: get thee into the wot

23:51:20 kakobrekla: cgcardona_ too late, sr already closed.

23:51:24 mircea_popescu: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication that stuff

23:51:28 ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki

23:51:46 cgcardona_: kakobrekla: ? whatcha mean?

23:51:56 bitcoinpete: i gotta show a place to a person… laterz!

23:51:57 kakobrekla: re 100bux mit

23:52:12 cgcardona_: no i mean 'sr already closed' whatcha mean sr?

23:52:21 kakobrekla: silkroad

23:52:22 cgcardona_: probably obvious in which case excuse me in adcance

23:52:23 mircea_popescu: it's really not so bad an idea. certainly the best thing mit is currently doing for its students' future.

23:52:24 cgcardona_: ahhh

23:52:25 cgcardona_: haha

23:52:51 BingoBoingo: Better than 1 battery 1 bulb and 1 wire

23:52:57 kakobrekla: you can do something with a million. you cant do shit with 100$.

23:53:03 kakobrekla: so they are doing something into nothing.

23:53:08 kakobrekla: i can do that even better prolly.

23:53:15 asciilifeform: on the secret 'black bitbet,' 'for BadBets Only,' let's bet that the coin will walk away before being parcelled out.

23:53:23 mircea_popescu: i can't believe this guy's name actually is goldstein.

23:53:32 mircea_popescu: a better name one could not have for bitcoin involvement.

23:53:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla by the time the kids retire, a 0.2 btc stash will buy them some bjs.

23:54:03 cgcardona_: shit it can buy them that today

23:54:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doubt it tbh

23:54:36 cgcardona_: i figure it'll inspire a whole new group of startups for better or worse

23:54:53 mircea_popescu: s/better/worse

23:54:57 cgcardona_: *ominous ycombinator black helicoptor flies over*

23:55:22 kakobrekla: well fuck me if it does then

23:55:38 mircea_popescu: between your tits ?

23:55:42 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2D1R2D7/plain/)

23:55:42 mircea_popescu: !b 2

23:55:46 cgcardona_: between his bits

23:55:49 mircea_popescu: ninja!

23:56:02 asciilifeform: ;;google chinese backyard steel

23:56:03 gribble: Backyard furnace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace; Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward; The Great Leap Forward Period in China, 1958-1960: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/greatleap.htm

23:56:33 asciilifeform: let's saw this bridge into little bits of scrap and all make plows. so what if they're... softer than the ground

23:57:22 asciilifeform: !up princess-nell

23:57:22 assbot: Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.