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00:00:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16403 @ 0.00040763 = 6.6864 BTC [-] {2}

00:04:22 ben_vulpes: trinque: does it have 'naughty dog' as well?

00:07:58 trinque: ben_vulpes: nah this version of after dark only has 5 screen savers

00:08:13 trinque: no naughty dog, no lawn mower man

00:14:01 ben_vulpes: disappointing.

00:15:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8157 @ 0.00039844 = 3.2501 BTC [-]

00:18:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00041034 = 5.7858 BTC [+] {2}

00:26:30 ben_vulpes: http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << "resistance through culture"

00:26:31 assbot: How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoFuk0 )

00:26:32 ben_vulpes: ?

00:27:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.0004107 = 2.033 BTC [+] {2}

00:37:15 mats: http://www.securitytube.net/video/13389

00:37:16 assbot: Circle City Con 2015 - Analyzing The Entropy Of Document Hidden Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoGch2 )

00:38:42 *: BingoBoingo building stator on HUGEfreetop. Just set freetop up with Linux Mint 17.1 because lazy

00:42:03 *: asciilifeform prepares to release mighty cool thing

00:44:18 mats: BingoBoingo: do ya have a pogo yet?

00:44:55 BingoBoingo: mats: Not yet. I prolly ought to get on that soon

00:46:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40054 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0965 BTC [-] {2}

00:49:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00003331 = 3.331 BTC [-] {13}

00:50:12 mats: did anyone ever buy a pallet of em or whatever the plan was?

00:50:28 BingoBoingo: Someone may have?

00:50:35 mats: i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one

00:51:07 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

00:51:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:

00:51:17 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000103.html

00:51:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHhFS )

00:51:24 asciilifeform: '(EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor'

00:51:24 mats: would love to read the code and assist in other ways but am occupied atm

00:52:17 mats: http://netsectldr.postach.io

00:52:19 assbot: mubix | NetSec TLDR Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHlp1 )

00:52:45 mats: r/netsec roundup podcast

00:52:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu asked for this (after mircea_popescu asked, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180491 )

00:52:52 assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 19:09:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea.

00:53:03 asciilifeform: here it is.

00:53:18 asciilifeform: now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' !

00:54:18 asciilifeform: after that, one could sync over 'netcat'

00:54:21 asciilifeform: (if suicidally brave)

00:54:40 asciilifeform: at line speed.

00:56:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00039403 = 17.1009 BTC [-] {2}

00:57:43 asciilifeform: and iirc the BuildMerkleTree() is not necessary

01:01:48 ben_vulpes: yaay!

01:02:04 ben_vulpes: dude i've prayed for a thing like this for some time

01:02:34 *: asciilifeform confirmed that merkletree is not needed

01:02:36 asciilifeform: for this

01:03:47 ben_vulpes: what's with the odd indentation on 35/6?

01:04:05 asciilifeform: no idea

01:04:13 asciilifeform: all looks same on my emacs

01:04:35 ben_vulpes: i see a tab on 36

01:04:39 ben_vulpes: not that it matters i don't imagine

01:05:02 asciilifeform: which one's that

01:05:10 ben_vulpes: line number of patch

01:05:42 ben_vulpes: let's fight about whitespace rules

01:08:55 trinque: this whole concept of "website" is fucking stupid

01:09:31 trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out

01:09:41 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

01:09:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:

01:09:48 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000104.html

01:09:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoIsox )

01:09:54 asciilifeform: '(CORRECTED) (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor'

01:10:58 ben_vulpes: trinque: wotclassifieds!

01:11:05 ben_vulpes: gribble did this.

01:11:21 trinque: ben_vulpes: had a vague thought re: putting buys/sells in the blockchain somehow

01:12:35 ben_vulpes: NO

01:12:39 trinque: yus

01:12:40 ben_vulpes: just say no.

01:12:48 trinque: I can put whatever I like in the blockchain

01:13:19 ben_vulpes: pissing in mother crypto.

01:13:38 ben_vulpes: anyways asciilifeform if you care there are still misalignments

01:13:40 *: trinque goes off to encode dickbutt.jpg as transaction outputs

01:13:52 ben_vulpes: dickbutt.ascii hyuuuu

01:13:56 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fix it yourself. this can be part of you signing the thing 'i read it...'

01:14:54 ben_vulpes: as i said: 'if you care'

01:16:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180722 << have you tried buying from the fella who is living in a warehouse full of'em ?

01:16:36 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 01:09:31; trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out

01:17:02 mircea_popescu: ago

01:17:09 mircea_popescu: heya

01:17:11 asciilifeform: ^ there he is!

01:17:16 trinque: asciilifeform: I'll e-mail him, but read chatter from the last few years about not getting replies from the guy

01:17:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu we have blockshitter

01:17:39 trinque: 2k's outside the historic artifact collection budget for now

01:17:45 trinque: saw somebody snagged one for about 600

01:17:49 trinque: maybe five years ago

01:17:52 asciilifeform: trinque: macivory ?

01:18:09 trinque: believe it was, yeah

01:18:15 trinque: somebody sold one on ebay

01:18:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sorry ?

01:18:45 asciilifeform: oh and it only works in certain macs, with certain videoboards

01:18:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see log. new patch

01:18:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does the thing we spoke of

01:19:14 asciilifeform: craps out block x on demand

01:19:19 mircea_popescu: o hey

01:19:25 trinque: asciilifeform: since the performa in question was five bucks, I wont be too sad if it ends up in the garbage

01:19:37 asciilifeform: trinque: dks used to supply the mac and video board to go with it, when you bought from him

01:19:37 trinque: seems the other route is finding an alpha machine

01:19:45 asciilifeform: trinque: i'm sitting on a stack of those

01:20:03 asciilifeform: trinque: you can have one for the cost of postage

01:20:14 trinque: oh? I'd be interested in that.

01:20:16 asciilifeform: (pgpgram if interested)

01:20:24 trinque: k

01:20:38 asciilifeform: would need to dust it off, see if still runs

01:27:57 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell agorecki how's the learning coming along ?

01:27:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:29:22 asciilifeform: $ sha512sum 217040.bin

01:29:23 asciilifeform: 580c13b6492b526d2564398e5f28d17aa4d2e97c3321aa47908bf02da12237425cb0c17e6fdfbab1f347d5c4e1851c96b1e0ee36c088b18ae4ef3ed6e5bd1099

01:29:33 asciilifeform: ^ example, freshly pulled from mircea_popescu's box

01:29:45 asciilifeform: oops

01:29:47 asciilifeform: forgot the

01:29:49 asciilifeform: ./bitcoind dumpblock 217040 217040.bin

01:30:01 asciilifeform: anyway, pretty obvious how to use.

01:30:33 asciilifeform: why this was not included from day 1, who can say.

01:31:08 ben_vulpes: it'd make introspection easy!

01:31:27 *: asciilifeform waits to learn what cthonian horrors will be uncovered by folks using this item

01:34:53 asciilifeform: in principle, when we get 'eatblock' it will be possible to pass around a 'naked' blockchain with upper bound of its mass being $blockheight MB

01:35:02 asciilifeform: (less, with compression)

01:35:44 asciilifeform: i'm not thrilled with the idea of folks doing this as daily practice

01:35:53 asciilifeform: because it sorta defeats the whole point of a p2p gizmo

01:36:08 asciilifeform: but there is a time and place for it

01:38:16 trinque: asciilifeform: sent

01:38:59 asciilifeform: trinque: will answer when i wake up

01:39:04 trinque: k, no rush

01:39:39 trinque: and I appreciate it

01:39:57 trinque: if it doesn't work or ya decide you want the box yourself, no worries

01:39:59 asciilifeform: np

01:40:04 asciilifeform: i already have some

01:41:04 asciilifeform: trinque: btw, it is my understanding that most of the opengenera enthusiasts are using the 'snap4' unofficial warez x86-64 port now

01:41:17 asciilifeform: trinque: i'd suggest trying that one on for size before resorting to archaeological dig

01:41:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25597 @ 0.00041111 = 10.5232 BTC [+] {2}

01:42:04 trinque: k

01:43:01 trinque: maybe that's one I tried a while back in kvm

01:43:34 *: asciilifeform bbl

01:44:19 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, yes, tomorrow. but can't hurt thinking about.

01:46:07 BingoBoingo: strator bitcoind built and running up to block 45000

01:47:21 *: ben_vulpes sighs

01:47:33 ben_vulpes: scratches through shitpile for 'jam today' tickets

01:47:37 ben_vulpes: in other news

01:47:44 ben_vulpes: libboost-all-dev << what is this horror

01:48:11 ben_vulpes: how would i see what this thing contains

02:06:45 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45864.0 << for the sake of lulz

02:06:47 assbot: 100 (25+25+40+10) BTC Bounty: Blkindex.dat Rebuild Function & others ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkpvG )

02:08:04 decimation: "It?s as though Americans are buying into a fast-talking sales pitch without being allowed to read the print, whether it?s large print or small."

02:09:05 mircea_popescu: !up agorecki

02:09:11 gabriel_laddel: Lord Vulpes's Academy for Gifted Youngsters?

02:09:16 gabriel_laddel: Vulpes Academy?

02:09:22 gabriel_laddel: Hmm

02:09:37 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's the kind of patch I was implying

02:12:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180690 << nice!

02:12:27 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 00:50:35; mats: i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one

02:12:40 ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 'tain't about the youngsters except insofar as their parents are in the wot

02:12:57 ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to grill chicken and romp dog with other junior members of the clan

02:13:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180705 << no need to be suicidally brave. what it does is, "people's checkpoints". as in, anyone may run a bitcoin with a chain starting with an arbitrary block.

02:13:15 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 00:54:21; asciilifeform: (if suicidally brave)

02:13:23 mircea_popescu: sort of, everyone's a checkpoint manager.

02:13:47 mircea_popescu: or, "i don't give a shit about txn prior to X"

02:14:44 ben_vulpes: (^ more or less kills headers-first abomination)

02:15:35 mircea_popescu: incredible the amount of innovation simply sprouting forth from the ground once someone says "nobody asked you anything" @ the usual barnacles.

02:16:44 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: so there will be no making a (slight) profit educating other's youngsters?

02:16:46 gabriel_laddel: pity

02:16:57 mircea_popescu: the profit is to be made in flesh.

02:17:22 *: mircea_popescu contemplates a future where the only tuition is prostitution.

02:17:53 ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: the profit is in amortized costs of education over wot

02:18:05 gabriel_laddel: I see.

02:18:17 ben_vulpes: anyways, out for real now.

02:18:18 gabriel_laddel: I'd sort of imagined the camus as a set of WoT-enabled buildings.

02:18:43 gabriel_laddel: In maybe Beijing, Tel Aviv, Seoul

02:18:51 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel think about it. why would you want to spend time with an idiot if you're not fucking her. and what else is an idiot if not one in dire need of some education.

02:21:00 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: there are not many real people in my locale that I get to play with :/

02:21:29 mircea_popescu: virtual educations are like virtual machines.

02:21:43 gabriel_laddel: ?

02:21:52 mircea_popescu: cheap, dispensable solutions you can't rely on.

02:21:53 gabriel_laddel: also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members

02:23:05 gabriel_laddel: My impression of Vulpes Academy was that it would have a physical manifestation.

02:23:37 gabriel_laddel: Sort of like a club for kids whose parents are on the up and up

02:23:40 gabriel_laddel: with a library

02:23:41 gabriel_laddel: and a lab

02:23:47 gabriel_laddel: and visiting instructors

02:24:12 mircea_popescu: how about you educate your children pre-puberty, and whoever they feel like educates them post ?

02:24:24 mats: lol what

02:24:25 mircea_popescu: there is really no substance to the institution of marriage outside of this.

02:24:37 gabriel_laddel: hmmm...

02:24:38 mats: 22:21:54 <+gabriel_laddel> also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members << you adopting asians now?

02:25:02 gabriel_laddel: mats: someone has to bribe fab operators.

02:25:30 mats: get back to me in a few years, huh

02:26:01 gabriel_laddel: mats: lol, I need to be adopted, not the other way around.

02:27:48 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: It seems to me that the academy should educate kids of ages 15 and older, so you have something to work with.

02:28:31 mircea_popescu: a) you can't educate "a class". individuals only ; b) you can't educate people you don't, most intimately, know ; c) there's no education outside of the educated's choice.

02:28:39 gabriel_laddel: "we assume you can read, write and do simple mathematics - now build some rockets and jungle IC on the cheap"

02:28:44 mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.

02:29:10 *: asciilifeform back

02:29:15 asciilifeform: anybody build that thing ?

02:29:53 decimation: I was gonna, but gave up trying to get the pile of dependent patches

02:30:05 asciilifeform: decimation: you can use my tree from last night

02:30:08 asciilifeform: it's in the tarball

02:30:16 decimation: oh I thought that was just the binary

02:30:20 decimation: I'll start it

02:30:31 asciilifeform: for testing only

02:30:33 asciilifeform: naturally

02:31:09 mircea_popescu: http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << not a bad read actually.

02:31:11 assbot: How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkDTM )

02:31:16 mircea_popescu: "The fuel, as usual, is the emotional blackmail of people of goodwill, the uses of mass mobilization to exploit that goodwill, then, finally, to render all such goodwill meaningless."

02:31:16 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody who wants can now easily serve http://yourthing/blocks/x

02:31:26 mircea_popescu: yes. empty "goodwill" is closer to a crime than to a good thing.

02:33:49 cazalla: http://www.baldursgate.com/ ermagawd 10 day count down to something.. bg3

02:33:50 assbot: Baldur's Gate ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkEHa )

02:33:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180855 << the non-gay mathematicians et al will have problems with this algo

02:33:50 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 02:28:44; mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.

02:34:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most mathematicians hate teaching anyway

02:34:29 gabriel_laddel: lol

02:34:31 asciilifeform: somebody's gotta teach the damn stuff

02:34:39 mircea_popescu: because why ?

02:34:40 asciilifeform: ditto engineering, programming, etc


02:34:47 mircea_popescu: if nobody had taught poettering how to write, the loss ?

02:35:12 asciilifeform: the better schools use a kind of 'riker's island' approach anyway

02:35:18 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel your protest is not unlike protesting everything on earth gotta spin around the sun.

02:35:22 mircea_popescu: society is built on fucking.

02:35:24 asciilifeform: 'listen maggots, in six weeks come back with a basic unix'

02:35:50 gabriel_laddel: I'm not protesting, just noting that perhaps not everyone is *quite* as sexually driven as yourself .

02:36:05 mircea_popescu: why do you think i myself have anything to do with it ?

02:36:20 mircea_popescu: it is with great sorrow i say the above, no sort of anticipation.

02:37:15 gabriel_laddel: Hrm. Perhaps I should have said "not everyone sees everything through the lense of sexual attraction constantly" - myself being a prime example.

02:37:57 mircea_popescu: that'd be a problem of poor sight.

02:38:14 gabriel_laddel: And the probably also the straight(?) mathematican I had a conversation with last weekend.

02:39:23 mircea_popescu: "I think the reason there is so little ?comedy? that?s funny today is the genre itself has been hijacked by the humorless PC crowd." <<-->> http://fraudsters.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/

02:39:24 assbot: "Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0c4Ym )

02:39:53 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the notion that one can educate outside of a sexual context is not unlike the notion that one can write code without reading any.

02:39:57 mircea_popescu: you know... for kids!

02:40:05 gabriel_laddel: What.

02:40:11 mod6: <+asciilifeform> anybody build that thing ? << i did try to build your "stator" tarball from lastnight. i provisioned a new deb6 with glibc/gcc-4.5.4, had some issues, never was able to build whole orchestra. I think its perhaps system related.

02:40:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can educate in a brutalizing/disciplinarian context

02:40:19 gabriel_laddel: I've *never* slept with anyone I've learned from.

02:40:23 asciilifeform: (as in army)

02:40:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform brutality is purely sexual.

02:40:54 asciilifeform: what was the sexual element in 'come back with operating system in 6 weeks or go flip burgers' ?

02:41:16 mod6: I have to pull up from this and work on the SoBA now. Otherwise would have normally given you all kinds of dpastes/asked for help. But instead, I'm just going to look back into this after the start of the month. I hope that's alright.

02:41:43 asciilifeform: mod6: no hurry

02:41:45 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel's committing this error where he's proposing that since he's not fucking the girl, he's not in love with her ; asciilifeform is committing this error where since there was a building in the vicinity of the learning, the building is now a school.

02:41:51 mircea_popescu: these are unsubstantial, purely nominalist problems

02:42:04 *: asciilifeform can sorta see where mircea_popescu is going

02:42:22 mod6: Ok, I'll for sure revisit this after the doc is done. I think this one is gonna be lengthy, just wanna make sure I get that done.

02:43:53 gabriel_laddel: toodles

02:44:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00041039 = 6.279 BTC [-]

02:44:35 mircea_popescu: Along these lines, Meerloo offers a prescription: ?We must learn to treat the demagogue and aspirant dictator in our midst just as we should treat our external enemies in a cold war ? with the weapon of ridicule. The demagogue himself is almost incapable of humor of any sort, and if we treat him with humor, he will begin to collapse. Humor is, after all, related to a sense of perspective. If we can see how things s

02:44:35 mircea_popescu: hould be, we can see how askew they can get, and we can recognize distortion when we are confronted with it.? << for the record, this is rank nonsense. it only seems to work because americans are the worst of all german stocks - incredibly stolid, unhumorous fellows.

02:45:12 mircea_popescu: societies exhibiting an incredibly exacerbated "making fun" cancer have been recorded. they still have the same problems with demagogues and peoples' general emotional insanity. humor is no panacea.

02:45:29 mircea_popescu: that said, it'd be incredible cultural progress for the us if it actually was a little funnier.

02:46:45 mircea_popescu: the only stable solution is in any case willing submitting to chosen people. and there should be no room for "state" anywhere once that's done.

02:48:37 *: asciilifeform just heard, at close range - out of window - a bird devoured by cat. nature's music.

02:52:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the bad news is that it looks like node will be off for something like 24 hours.

02:52:15 mircea_popescu: but hopefully this fixes the nonsense.

02:52:17 asciilifeform: no spares yet ?

02:52:27 asciilifeform: and did mircea_popescu ever learn of a cause for the nonsense in question ?

02:52:32 mircea_popescu: (note that at the current rate, it'd have been a lifetime)

02:52:36 mircea_popescu: well not yet, no.

02:53:06 asciilifeform: i'd have tried tunneling 8333 from some very distant place

02:53:09 asciilifeform: and connecting through that

02:53:29 mircea_popescu: any improvement ?

02:54:11 asciilifeform: well, let et al chew on a crypted turdstream

02:54:36 BingoBoingo: strator built now passed block 123455

02:54:44 mircea_popescu: o hey wd bb!

02:54:59 asciilifeform: stator?

02:55:09 BingoBoingo: That

02:55:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where did you build it ?

02:55:38 BingoBoingo: Built on the Phreetop running linux Mint 17.1 (because lazy)

02:55:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the block dumper patch yet ?

02:55:55 asciilifeform: applies cleanly to same tree

02:56:25 BingoBoingo: Not yet. Build... took some time... will try to get further in sync first

02:56:29 asciilifeform: i sorta want to start doing this thing where we for blocks 0 ... n, sha512sum block_n | gpg ...

02:56:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15057 @ 0.00041084 = 6.186 BTC [+] {2}

02:58:01 mircea_popescu: certainly can go into deedbot. which will go into the blockchain. which... inception

02:58:33 asciilifeform: ahahahaha

02:58:43 mircea_popescu: (afaik this would be the first example of a closed loop, which is to say a cyuclicity i nthe graph of modification dependencies

02:58:45 *: asciilifeform blows stack

02:58:50 mircea_popescu: or at any rate the first publicly known one.)

02:59:02 mircea_popescu: imagine the inconvenience of trying to diddle history with this arrangement.

02:59:05 mircea_popescu: truely needs qc.

03:11:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttstamp

03:11:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.16, Best ask: 250.28, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 250.15, 24 hour volume: 5557.75187228, 24 hour low: 247.04, 24 hour high: 251.24, 24 hour vwap: 249.205171345

03:21:17 mod6: BingoBoingo: did you build the whole thing with the stator.sh script? or did you just build bitcoind? or are you running the static binary provided?

03:22:11 BingoBoingo: mod6: Built the whole thing. Hung up once because I was using .gz boost archive instead of .bz2

03:22:32 BingoBoingo: Once that was fixed everything built

03:22:38 decimation: asciilifeform: stator built for me

03:22:44 decimation: on rhel6

03:23:04 mod6: yeah, i hit that small problem too... i had other issues further down the line. thanks, i must just have an environment issue.

03:23:15 mod6: i'll have to circle back around to this later.

03:23:15 decimation: bitched about mktemp "(.text+0x774d): warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'"

03:29:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00040299 = 12.6539 BTC [-]

03:31:27 BingoBoingo: daemon is at 136 MB of RAM usage

03:33:10 asciilifeform: congrats BingoBoingo decimation

03:33:48 BingoBoingo: Only pheature I miss from 0.7 series is "getpeerinfo" command

03:37:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: shouldn't be hard to re-create it

03:37:24 BingoBoingo: Yeah, and it isn't an urgent thing

03:38:21 *: asciilifeform is dumping and hashing all of the blocks he sucked from mircea_popescu's box earlier

03:38:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00040299 = 8.8053 BTC [-]

03:38:49 asciilifeform: will sign the result when it has run to the end (likely in the morning)

03:39:53 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0CXHK64 << script

03:39:55 assbot: dpaste: 0CXHK64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns0Yf8 )

03:40:43 asciilifeform: a bit of a hasty job, forgot the 'dest' thing

03:40:45 asciilifeform: but works

03:41:51 decimation: asciilifeform: of course, next step: force feed bitcoind with array of blocks

03:42:00 asciilifeform: !s eatblock

03:42:01 assbot: 0 results for 'eatblock' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eatblock

03:42:12 asciilifeform: hm

03:42:16 asciilifeform: did mention this.

03:42:22 decimation: was it in the email

03:42:25 asciilifeform: nah, here

03:42:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180703

03:42:34 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 00:53:18; asciilifeform: now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' !

03:42:52 decimation: heh

03:42:54 asciilifeform: wtf does #b-a search not behave exactly like grep ?

03:42:58 asciilifeform: i still can't see any reason

03:43:10 asciilifeform: the 'words' thing is asinine

03:49:25 mircea_popescu: poor mod6 lol/ nothing comes easy to the bsd crowd

04:05:44 *: BingoBoingo will likely attempt stator build on OpenBSD soon

04:20:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61200 @ 0.00041764 = 25.5596 BTC [+]

04:26:52 asciilifeform: erratum: where i wrote 'O(N^2)' ought to be O(N). complexity of fetching ~all~ blocks is O(N^2).

04:27:10 asciilifeform: haste makes waste (tm)

04:27:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122448 @ 0.00041973 = 51.3951 BTC [+] {7}

04:28:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32228 @ 0.00042386 = 13.6602 BTC [+]

04:49:03 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov please nuke the size limit on turdatron

04:49:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:51:04 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig

04:51:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKokIW )

04:51:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKoksw )

04:51:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:05:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108931 @ 0.00042685 = 46.4972 BTC [+] {5}

05:19:38 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Even after taking a walk I wasn't able to digest your point whatsoever. Your model doesn't take into account a large number of things e.g., people who silently do their homework and never speak with the prof.

05:21:41 gabriel_laddel: That "sex" is omnipresent and influences human choice is a rather obvious observation that I can't *do* anything with.

05:22:43 gabriel_laddel: !rate williamdune 2 gamingfurry.tumblr.com & http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172551

05:22:43 assbot: williamdune is not registered in WoT.

05:22:43 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:59:17; williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"

05:23:11 gabriel_laddel: !rate williamdunne 2 gamingfurry.tumblr.com & http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172551

05:23:11 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/58150678a8923b84

05:23:11 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:59:17; williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"

05:25:19 gabriel_laddel: !v assbot:gabriel_laddel.rate.williamdunne.2:0be5b503690d76f7a8c19a002d876fbbe5dde043ca46bc2591d4ac4ce11b9a08

05:25:19 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for williamdunne with note: gamingfurry.tumblr.com & http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172551

05:26:53 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: also, I don't understand what "fraudsters.com/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/" has to do with anything

05:29:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.00042434 = 1.5187 BTC [-]

05:31:07 gabriel_laddel: "This has lead to no end of headaches when hacking on the bitcoind source. I've built bitcoinds in Docker containers and shipped them off to virtualized servers in The Cloud, I've built them in virtual machines local to my own development machine and run them in the selfsame VMs, and I even burned a few hours today attempting to compile bitcoin nat

05:31:07 gabriel_laddel: ively on my Mac (hey, someone said it was possible!).

05:31:07 gabriel_laddel: Today I moved my entire development flow for hacking on bitcoind into an Ubuntu 14.04 virtual machine. This is just a stopgap until I get the time to build a fresh Linux tower with which I'll undertake Gentoo Quest. Again. For real this time, I swear."

05:31:13 gabriel_laddel: -- http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html

05:31:14 assbot: a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDmzUy )

05:32:11 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is why masamune

05:34:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2552110/Look-state-Youre-disgusting-Women-loses-10-stone-humiliated-man-threw-drink-night-size.html

05:34:14 assbot: 'Look at the state of you. You're disgusting': Women loses over 10 stone after being humiliated when a man threw a drink over her on a night out because of her size | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDmDUf )

05:35:16 BingoBoingo: ^ Hate works

05:37:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00042852 = 10.563 BTC [+]

05:45:33 punkman: need more shitgnome shaming

05:47:33 BingoBoingo: punkman: Not shaming, hating!

05:49:32 punkman: you can do both!

05:55:48 BingoBoingo: Nah, shamming is an attempt to exert control and correction on the part of the target. With hate you don't have to emotionally commit to hoping the target corrects, until they do they are simply trashfolk.

06:00:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45604 @ 0.00042852 = 19.5422 BTC [+]

06:20:59 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel a) people who aren't being educated aren't being educated, mmkay. why is my model of education supposedly failing to take into account things which aren't part of the field ? b) it was a disucssion of humor, references a quote, from al ink. saw link ?

06:21:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:24:23 mircea_popescu: and it's not a matter of "sex" or "omnipresent" or "influence". sex is the basis of all social interaction. education is not an abstract or abstractable abstraction, but social intercourse, exactly like fucking, exactly like seduction, exactly like any other social behaviour.

06:24:44 mircea_popescu: it is a derivation of speech not of thought.

06:37:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00042979 = 17.299 BTC [+]

06:46:09 cazalla: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-33288367

06:46:10 assbot: What should social networks do about hate speech? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJIgdt )

06:52:32 mircea_popescu: mind their own fucking business ?

06:52:40 mircea_popescu: least likely to occur outcome these days huh.

06:52:44 punkman: censorship creates jobs

06:52:53 punkman: think of all the people they gotta hire

06:52:57 mircea_popescu: so would sucking cock.

06:54:18 mircea_popescu: heck, throwing transsexuals from rooftops would create jobs.

06:54:41 mircea_popescu: flaying obese people alive and stuffing small african children in the sack of flesh idem.

06:54:50 mircea_popescu: list goes on.

06:56:47 cazalla: in other news, i spent the arvo putting in another raised garden bed (4.2m x 1.8m), red gum is a really nice timber

06:57:29 mircea_popescu: arvo ?

06:57:54 cazalla: ;;ud arvo

06:57:55 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arvo | arvo. One of the many words that Australians have cut syllables off and replaced with "-o". This one represents the hours after 12pm, and is used by people, ...

06:58:29 mircea_popescu: oic.

06:59:27 cazalla: and here i thought it was as common as international words

07:01:50 mircea_popescu: lol international words

07:02:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00043557 = 22.9763 BTC [+] {2}

07:27:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54535 @ 0.00042698 = 23.2854 BTC [-] {3}

07:33:28 mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5gt03jTn51qddd4so1_1280.jpg

07:33:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1drWoBf )

07:42:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70036 @ 0.00040299 = 28.2238 BTC [-] {4}

07:43:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42009 @ 0.0003961 = 16.6398 BTC [-] {3}

07:49:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110828 @ 0.00041003 = 45.4428 BTC [+]

08:00:26 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180996 <<< really a furry or just trollin' ?

08:00:26 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 05:22:43; gabriel_laddel: !rate williamdune 2 gamingfurry.tumblr.com & http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172551

08:01:59 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181014 <<< i don't think it works enough to combat the effects of loose chicken skin.. do this one with the lights off i guess

08:01:59 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 05:35:16; BingoBoingo: ^ Hate works

08:22:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48751 @ 0.00041003 = 19.9894 BTC [+] {2}

08:26:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00043693 = 11.4039 BTC [+]

09:17:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.00042649 = 21.751 BTC [-] {2}

09:26:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40260 @ 0.00041827 = 16.8396 BTC [-] {2}

09:27:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6890 @ 0.0003933 = 2.7098 BTC [-]

10:06:28 kakobrekla: http://imgur.com/gallery/ybJrDA0

10:06:29 assbot: Police in Turkey try to stop Pride parade with water cannons, accidentally creates rainbows - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDXf8E )

10:33:40 mircea_popescu: pretty cool lol

10:46:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00043415 = 10.3762 BTC [+]

10:53:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00043415 = 16.5411 BTC [+]

11:16:13 kakobrekla: >Cause still unknown after several thousand engineering-hours of review. Now parsing data with a hex editor to recover final milliseconds.

11:16:17 kakobrekla: lolk

11:19:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70650 @ 0.00043685 = 30.8635 BTC [+] {3}

11:27:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35159 @ 0.00043833 = 15.4112 BTC [+]

11:28:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00043271 = 9.5196 BTC [-]

11:32:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24434 @ 0.00043833 = 10.7102 BTC [+]

11:57:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00043271 = 12.6568 BTC [-]

12:39:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18725 @ 0.00043549 = 8.1546 BTC [+]

13:01:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40954 @ 0.00043608 = 17.8592 BTC [+]

13:16:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106400 @ 0.00043391 = 46.168 BTC [-] {2}

13:21:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 257181 @ 0.00044418 = 114.2347 BTC [+] {5}

13:41:25 mats: it rises

13:43:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.00629999 = 1.26 BTC [-]

14:04:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15290 @ 0.00044828 = 6.8542 BTC [+]

14:14:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96201 @ 0.00044624 = 42.9287 BTC [-] {2}

14:29:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97100 @ 0.00044383 = 43.0959 BTC [-]

14:43:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102354 @ 0.00044093 = 45.1309 BTC [-] {2}

14:48:57 mod6: so ok, yeah was an environment issue. was able to build the whole orchestra. can't connect though: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused

15:00:00 mike_c: ben_vulpes: "I want to know who does this: ./proggy -? to get documentation" << that's the default on windows

15:04:20 mod6: ah, /? works too on d0ze right?

15:04:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41710 @ 0.00044831 = 18.699 BTC [+] {2}

15:04:52 mike_c: yeah

15:05:22 mod6: ah yah. i remember when I /finally/ figured out about /p

15:05:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27490 @ 0.00044902 = 12.3436 BTC [+]

15:07:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132400 @ 0.00043461 = 57.5424 BTC [-] {2}

15:10:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106900 @ 0.00045066 = 48.1756 BTC [+] {3}

15:56:25 decimation: cazalla, BingoBoingo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html < could make a good qntra story

15:56:26 assbot: Sir Tim Hunt investigation reveals flaws about Connie St Louis' testimony | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1U0Rvk8 )

15:56:59 decimation: as far as I can tell, nobody has named who at univeristy college london threatened to fire Tim Hunt if he didn't resign

16:05:16 decimation: also, these escaped convicts in new york were just summarily executed?

16:05:19 decimation: wtf?

16:18:42 scoopbot_revived: The power of discernment. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/29/the-power-of-discernment/

16:19:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250600 @ 0.00044411 = 111.294 BTC [-]

16:28:18 mod6: !up ascii_field

16:32:31 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181081 << what're you trying to connect to, mod6 ?

16:32:31 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 14:48:57; mod6: so ok, yeah was an environment issue. was able to build the whole orchestra. can't connect though: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused

16:32:48 mod6: mp's ip

16:32:58 ascii_field: iirc it's down for maintenance as of last night

16:33:01 mod6: oooh

16:33:03 mod6: ok

16:33:31 mod6: thx

16:34:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76950 @ 0.00044411 = 34.1743 BTC [-]

16:34:31 mod6: so if i do a `pmap -x <PID>`, i do see: gconv-modules.cache in there.

16:34:38 ascii_field: aha

16:35:36 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181090 << this is the 'next james watson' isnnit

16:35:36 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 15:56:25; decimation: cazalla, BingoBoingo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html < could make a good qntra story

16:35:39 punkman: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-28/with-61-seconds-in-a-minute-markets-brace-for-trouble

16:35:40 assbot: With 61 Seconds in a Minute, Markets Brace for Trouble - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1C26IMs )

16:36:46 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#994714

16:36:46 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 04:38:18; asciilifeform: leap seconds are braindamaged.

16:38:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75574 @ 0.00045191 = 34.1526 BTC [+] {2}

16:38:45 punkman: in other news, banks closed, 60eur/day limit on ATMs

16:52:12 ascii_field: punkman: where ?

16:52:28 punkman: in greece

16:58:40 mod6: !up ascii_field

17:03:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99000 @ 0.00045681 = 45.2242 BTC [+] {3}

17:16:45 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/29/us-france-uber-idUSKCN0P91UW20150629 << lawl... "yankee go home!"

17:16:46 assbot: Two Uber executives taken into police custody in France | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZDPqH )

17:17:51 trinque: where's the govt protection for shoe cobblers, butter churners?

17:21:08 trinque: heh I suppose it reduces to "universal base income"

17:35:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156218 @ 0.00046544 = 72.7101 BTC [+] {4}

17:36:01 trinque: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/29/paxton-state-workers-can-deny-marriage-licenses-same-sex-couples/29456745/ << if this were to end up an accepted legal defense...

17:36:02 assbot: Texas attorney general says judges can deny same-sex marriage licenses ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZGRLJ )

17:46:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181092 << this is thge major problem, the fact bureaucrats manage to hide behind anonimity.

17:46:58 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 15:56:59; decimation: as far as I can tell, nobody has named who at univeristy college london threatened to fire Tim Hunt if he didn't resign

17:47:02 mircea_popescu: must be denied, this shield./

17:48:41 mircea_popescu: "So began an extraordinary course of events that saw her tweet shared more than 600 times, kick-starting a viral scandal which resulted in the 72-year-old academic"

17:48:46 mircea_popescu: six HUNDRED times ?!

17:48:49 mircea_popescu: dude gtfo.

17:50:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181115 << are they gonna take everyone's money again ?

17:50:32 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 16:38:45; punkman: in other news, banks closed, 60eur/day limit on ATMs

17:50:39 mircea_popescu: or wait, the original was cyprus i think

17:55:34 punkman: are they gonna take everyone's money again ? < one way or another

17:56:57 mircea_popescu: so are you buying cretan hoes for btc ?

17:57:17 punkman: not yet

17:57:28 punkman: if anyone's selling BTC, I probably know a few people

17:57:29 mod6: cruddy hoes > *

17:59:20 mircea_popescu: punkman and how would a few people pay ?!

18:01:20 punkman: cash or other arrangement

18:02:51 mircea_popescu: cahs in greece ?!

18:04:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.00047205 = 33.9404 BTC [+] {2}

18:05:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00047629 = 2.9292 BTC [+]

18:09:59 mircea_popescu: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/major-spike-localbitcoins-trading-activity-due-scams-fraud/ <<< ahahaha at this bullshit.

18:10:00 assbot: Major Spike In LocalBitcoins Trading Activity Could Be Due To Scams & Fraud - CCN: Financial Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LypsVO )

18:10:20 mircea_popescu: i can affirm under oath that the whole argentina btc market is under 10 btc / day

18:11:07 mircea_popescu: but the latest comer to "we're a website, we print numbers" side of "financial services" is nevertheless amusing.

18:11:22 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:11:50 ascii_field: anybody else (including mircea_popescu) compare their block hashes with those posted last night ?

18:12:05 mircea_popescu: ascii_field actually, i've been playing eulora.

18:12:11 mircea_popescu: fucking love that thing.

18:12:15 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180989 << if anyone missed

18:12:15 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 04:51:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig

18:12:17 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: neato

18:12:34 mircea_popescu: give it a spin sometime, it's absolutely fantastico economic-wise.

18:13:06 *: ascii_field would love to, but would have to buy a gpu card, cobble together a box to put it in... and, on top of it all, a 27th hour on the clock

18:13:42 mircea_popescu: well maybe later.

18:14:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00047629 = 20.1947 BTC [+]

18:15:35 mircea_popescu: o.O

18:15:41 mircea_popescu: we can has 5 yes ?

18:16:05 ascii_field: 5?

18:16:40 mircea_popescu: @ 0.00047629

18:18:07 ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: last night i noticed that 'eatblock' is kinda already implemented: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#1780

18:18:08 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1LyqhxM )

18:19:27 ascii_field: so the ancient dream of 'sync over netcat' is theoretically doable now.

18:23:55 shinohai: O.o sync over nc ?!?

18:24:04 ascii_field: shinohai: aha

18:24:29 *: shinohai likes how ascii_field thinks ....

18:25:15 ascii_field: http://linux.die.net/man/1/nc << for anyone unfamiliar with that jewel of a util

18:25:16 assbot: nc(1): arbitrary TCP/UDP connections/listens - Linux man page ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIo0tn )

18:25:32 ascii_field: http://nc110.sourceforge.net << long-form docs

18:25:33 assbot: Netcat: the TCP/IP swiss army ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIo4t0 )

18:39:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220700 @ 0.00047068 = 103.8791 BTC [-] {2}

18:44:07 mod6: !up assbot

18:44:11 mod6: !up ascii_field

18:58:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00047631 = 17.8616 BTC [+] {2}

19:05:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0004675 = 1.496 BTC [-]

19:08:16 trinque: https://github.com/redline6561/coleslaw << NO! what the fuck?!

19:08:21 assbot: redline6561/coleslaw · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BRqidU )

19:08:39 trinque: has s-exps in his hand, invents alternate syntax for encoding the "metadata" of pages

19:17:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112378 @ 0.00047914 = 53.8448 BTC [+] {3}

19:21:21 shinohai: I was musing bout bitcoind under a very tiny platform like busybox and found this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000083.html

19:21:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BRrP3r )

19:22:36 mircea_popescu: aha.

19:22:49 trinque: shinohai: heh! I've run into ascii_field's posts around the net plenty of times on common lisp quest too

19:25:08 shinohai: ;;ticker

19:25:09 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.64, Best ask: 254.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 254.64, 24 hour volume: 32004.86437883, 24 hour low: 247.25, 24 hour high: 257.48, 24 hour vwap: None

19:35:01 scoopbot_revived: The Chicken Scribblin' Kronicles - A Look Under Eulora's Short and Knee-Length Future http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-chicken-scribblin-kronicles-a-look-under-euloras-short-and-knee-length-future/

19:39:40 mats: i wonder who's next -- .it?

19:40:02 mircea_popescu: some pig or other

19:55:03 BingoBoingo: Stator built bitcoind now has sufficient peers found it gets connections when seeds specified through "addnode" are offline

20:00:17 davout: i need to sink some time into building stator bitcoind for the pogo

20:01:44 BingoBoingo: decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181090 << You could give this one a go

20:01:44 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 15:56:25; decimation: cazalla, BingoBoingo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html < could make a good qntra story

20:04:08 mircea_popescu: word.

20:12:52 trinque: "unreconstructed" << unbanked, unequal, unenlightened, unsaved

20:13:30 trinque: thingify the anti-thing, then hide the thing it anti-ed

20:14:32 mircea_popescu: unt is the best in this line.

20:14:35 mircea_popescu: butter in romanian.

20:14:48 mircea_popescu: nobody even remembers what the t was originally.

20:15:15 trinque: lawl

20:17:34 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:17:44 ascii_field: davout: 'stator for pogo' is just the old 'portatronic'

20:18:07 ascii_field: davout: you may have noticed that i recycled 95% of the build script from the latter

20:18:36 davout: ascii_field: from what i understand having buildroot + bitcoind required being able to make a static build, right?

20:18:48 ascii_field: davout: buildroot uses uclibc

20:19:23 davout: but it wasn't possible before because of the dynmic dns glibc crap or do i misunderstand something here?

20:19:38 ascii_field: well, previously bitcoin ~actually invoked~ dns

20:19:49 ascii_field: so it had to be provided somehow

20:19:51 ascii_field: now - no

20:20:10 davout: and that dns stuff works with uclibc?

20:20:37 ascii_field: davout: there is no longer any invocation of dns (in my set)

20:20:52 ascii_field: thing even builds statically with glibc

20:20:57 ascii_field: but the 'gconv' retardation remains

20:21:09 ascii_field: and apparently the only way to remove it is to build glibc from scratch and link against it

20:21:23 ascii_field: which, in practice, requires a whole toolchain built against the custom glibc

20:21:28 ascii_field: which may as well be uclibc!

20:21:53 davout: and that was possible before? before the removal of dns crud?

20:22:18 mircea_popescu: no ?

20:22:26 ascii_field: not really. if you invoke dns at all in a glibc proggy, you get the libnss idiocy

20:22:29 ascii_field: automagically

20:23:42 mod6: oh btw, here's a snippit of my bitcoin compile of the full stator: http://dpaste.com/0VMQTY8.txt

20:23:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3sdSW )

20:24:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00048264 = 27.4622 BTC [+]

20:25:27 ascii_field: mod6: looks quite like mine

20:26:20 ascii_field: anyway, if this thing is to be ran in background on various folks' boxes, it really has to be dedrepperized

20:26:25 mod6: ahh, ok. just wanted you to peek at that end with those boost warnings with getaddrinfo

20:26:35 ascii_field: mod6: we aren't ever calling getaddrinfo

20:26:41 ascii_field: so it doesn't matter if the thing is a stub

20:26:48 mod6: *nod* sounds good

20:26:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194413 @ 0.00046692 = 90.7753 BTC [-] {3}

20:27:23 ascii_field: but this thing isn't battlefield-ready until gconv is shot

20:27:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59387 @ 0.00044921 = 26.6772 BTC [-]

20:30:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ulrichdrepper << mega-l0l

20:30:09 assbot: Ulrich Drepper | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3tjOo )

20:35:18 ascii_field: and... https://twitter.com/drepperquotes

20:35:19 assbot: Not Ulrich Drepper (@drepperquotes) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3u4qR )

20:38:44 ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly. In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering committee" (SC).

20:38:44 ascii_field: The SC is different from the SC in projects like gcc in that it does not make decisions. On this front nothing changed. The only difference is that Stallman now has no right to complain anymore since the SC he wanted acknowledged the status quo. I hope he will now shut up forever.'

20:38:58 ascii_field: (drepper. https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-announce/2001/msg00000.html )

20:38:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3uJsn )

20:39:08 ascii_field: ^ re: the 'did rms know' thread of a few days ago

20:47:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99617 @ 0.00048508 = 48.3222 BTC [+] {2}

20:48:47 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:49:12 ascii_field: anybody try 'dietlibc' ? >> http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc

20:49:13 assbot: diet libc - a libc optimized for small size ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3wFkD )

20:53:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00046688 = 10.2947 BTC [-]

21:22:43 trinque: because there needed to be a /var/etc, that's why.

21:23:21 trinque: the filesystem hierarchy standard is as lulzy as TLDs

21:26:41 trinque: oh actually on linux it's /var/lib/misc for what I was trying to find... even better

21:27:19 punkman: not really a standard

21:27:31 punkman: lulzy differences between distros

21:27:39 trinque: insofar as the LSB thing took

21:27:42 trinque: I guess

21:33:38 kakobrekla: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund lulz

21:33:40 assbot: Greek Bailout Fund | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlrMON )

21:34:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00047145 = 13.8842 BTC [+]

21:43:41 lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179154 << Done. It -should- spit out a link to teh actual URL now instead of just the RSS feed

21:43:41 assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 19:58:44; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can haz the url of phuctored key preserved in bot ? ty

21:44:20 lobbes: mircea_popescu: this will apply for #eulora too

21:56:25 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/iOQx5Gz.jpg

21:56:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1efjfkc )

21:57:11 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181148 <<< i'll need to confirm this with the embassy

21:57:11 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 18:10:20; mircea_popescu: i can affirm under oath that the whole argentina btc market is under 10 btc / day

21:57:15 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Win

22:14:20 mod6: ascii_field: ok, so there is a way to signal to the dot graph utility to build a graph in a given direction. the default seems to be R->L, and there are only 3 given options: RL, LR, or BT. And if you give it no directional option, it seems to do Top->Bottom which is what we want I think. This thing is quite customizable actually.

22:14:40 mod6: I haven't quited figured out yet how to make this happen.. but there is a way to do this, somehow.

22:14:49 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:14:53 ascii_field: mod6: neat!

22:17:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250850 @ 0.00045777 = 114.8316 BTC [-] {4}

22:27:54 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform ascii_field: ProcessBlock should probably not do that thing where it refuses to import already-seen blocks, instead it should obey its master and snarf up whatever

22:35:18 ben_vulpes: this does make for an interesting question of what to do with the chain after an interstitial block has been snarfed - reverify everything? do nothing?

22:39:42 mod6: ok this can be done, one must turn off DOT_CLEANUP then do some scripting to iterate through all of the .dot files created and then sed the rankdir out of the config.

22:40:06 mod6: but.. problem is, these aren't much better top to bottom than left to right, they're still gonna be pretty wide.

22:40:22 mod6: lot more config would be required to get them narrow enough to be "nice"

22:40:29 mod6: i'll come back to this later.

22:40:40 mod6: at least it can be manipualted

22:40:55 decimation: mod6: are you trying to make a 'dot' graph of the blockchain?

22:42:08 ben_vulpes: decimation: the bitcoind sources

22:43:13 mod6: ah yeah this ^

22:44:12 decimation: ah

22:44:21 decimation: but, are you displaying call graphs?

22:44:24 decimation: or how data is processed?

22:44:46 mod6: ya call graphs

22:44:50 decimation: in this vein, it might be useful to create a version of the bitcoind source with all the C preprocessor directives unrolled

22:45:02 mod6: take a look through here if you like: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/

22:45:03 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1efmWXf )

22:45:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134150 @ 0.00047673 = 63.9533 BTC [+] {4}

22:45:44 mod6: decimation: ah, well, once i get this sorted out, maybe I can do something about that part too.

22:46:02 decimation: in some ways, the code is 'easier' to read with all of the macros in one spot

22:46:19 decimation: but in another way (ie unwinding call graphs) it would be 'easier' if the preprocessor macros were unwound

22:52:09 BingoBoingo: Too Much Beetus Juice to carry https://i.imgur.com/yfTyF44.jpg

22:52:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HugJEa )

22:54:45 ben_vulpes: ahahahaha

22:55:50 cazalla: what is that BingoBoingo ?

22:56:18 BingoBoingo: cazalla: It's refillable mega sized gas station mugs on a handcart.

22:56:43 cazalla: but what is the drink?

22:57:37 BingoBoingo: Can't tell

22:58:04 cazalla: looks like protein powder, mebe they're getting their exercise on ya fat shamer (hater)

22:59:13 BingoBoingo: No, some of the gas station mugs share that similar shape and coloration

23:01:26 ben_vulpes: Big Gulp ™

23:07:08 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis Model T: "i am a beta fuck"-mobile. thoughts?

23:07:09 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:07:27 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis re: model t, i suppose would be better

23:07:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:21:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.0004864 = 35.3126 BTC [+] {4}

23:27:01 mod6: ok actualy, those graphs dont looks as bad as I had thought.

23:27:29 mod6: i think maybe they should go the other direction tho? so anyway, I'm gonna put up a temp/test dir so you guys can take a look

23:27:53 mod6: i've orientated them Top->Bottom "TB"

23:28:48 mod6: out of like 1600 odd graphs, only ~1450 actually have a config with the standard directional line in there "rankdir"

23:28:57 mod6: so.. there's like a bunch that might still go another directoin

23:30:11 mod6: 1487 i guess

23:34:53 mod6: alright, try it out here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/

23:34:54 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRyhI7 )

23:35:04 mod6: asciilifeform && ascii_field ^^

23:36:47 mod6: i should add that i can make these SVG graphs too, if that seems like it might be somehow better

23:37:41 ben_vulpes: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/net_8cpp.html << aha this is great

23:37:42 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: bitcoin/src/net.cpp File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoRLFh )

23:38:17 ben_vulpes: i wonder what red/black/grey boxes around the files mean.

23:42:32 mod6: www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/diagrams.html << check out the section about half way down that says "elements in the graphs generated by the dot tool have the following meaning:"

23:43:09 ben_vulpes: you can tell me to rtfm my feels won't get all hurt :P

23:43:49 mod6: this thing's documentation is kinda spotty, ironically

23:46:39 scoopbot_revived: Audible's app is another symptom of the Update-Upgrade Disease. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/29/audibles-app-is-another-symptom-of-the-update-upgrade-disease/

23:47:53 ben_vulpes: ah they're probably deprecating some old api, pete_dushenski

23:54:26 decimation: ideally it would be nice to have call graphs that trace the movement of data

23:54:40 ben_vulpes: there's about a mile of difference between an 'app' that does god-knows-what on your iPnohe and a piece of code that...can be inspected.

23:54:49 ben_vulpes: !up tcrypt

23:54:51 ben_vulpes: allo

23:54:53 ben_vulpes: who're you?

23:55:08 ben_vulpes: decimation: d'you know of anything that does that?

23:55:25 decimation: man I think I remember seeing automated call graph code

23:56:17 ben_vulpes: tcrypt: syn

23:56:32 decimation: I don't see any graphs on that doxygen/test page

23:57:09 decimation: maybe codeviz does it? http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel/projects/codeviz/

23:57:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoSZQI )

23:57:48 tcrypt: ben_vulpes: sorry, was the "who're you?" directed toward me? I'm just a dude interested in assets on the blockchain

23:57:52 tcrypt: seemed like a good channel to join

23:58:24 ben_vulpes: !s colored coins

23:58:25 assbot: 137 results for 'colored coins' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=colored+coins

23:58:33 ben_vulpes: there's your research task for showing up

23:58:40 ben_vulpes: la serenissima runs on deficits :P

23:59:36 decimation: !s crypto-enthusiast

23:59:36 assbot: 1 results for 'crypto-enthusiast' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crypto-enthusiast

23:59:47 ben_vulpes: !s crypto enthusiast

23:59:48 assbot: 2 results for 'crypto enthusiast' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crypto+enthusiast

23:59:53 decimation: hehe