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00:00:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform true enuf.

00:01:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo funny, was just lolled at here.

00:04:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215296 << "reject our assumptions AND YOU REJECT REALITY FOOL!111"

00:04:06 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:24:43; jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ep2pl/gold_bugs_the_original_buttcoiners/cthk335 heh buttcoiners love buttgold

00:05:41 mircea_popescu: "wow ok. Sounds like nobody thought it would get this big.

00:05:41 mircea_popescu: They need to make the next version use a better database system that is not linearly.

00:05:41 mircea_popescu: Simple fix then to a very big problem."

00:05:56 mircea_popescu: gotta love tardstalk. almost as good as washington post, in that it's not merely written by retards,

00:05:59 mircea_popescu: but by esl retards.

00:06:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215313 << thankfully.

00:06:37 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:33:13; ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.

00:06:52 mircea_popescu: the "some people should not use" observation is apt.

00:08:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215327 << this reminds me of christina applegate wanting to buy a car, being quoted in "k"s and raiding the cornflakes boxes for them

00:08:02 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:43:47; pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box

00:09:46 mircea_popescu: in other news : http://hardhandsworld.tumblr.com/post/83217145416 bitches be the hardest on bitches.

00:09:47 assbot: Hardhands World of Spanking ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkABxJ )

00:10:32 shinohai: Wonderful, it even has an rss feed.

00:11:25 nubbins`: muscle memory is a weird thing

00:11:40 nubbins`: i coulda SWORN i just typed in my pgp passphrase completely and utterly wrong

00:11:43 nubbins`: fingers mashing everywhere

00:11:50 nubbins`: somehow: 100+ chars, no mistakes

00:12:17 nubbins`: mircea_popescu asciilifeform "physical doge" was totally a thing. iirc copper rounds?

00:12:33 nubbins`: https://shibemint.com/

00:12:35 assbot: Shibe Mint ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkAZfR )

00:13:22 nubbins`: dogecoin belongs in a "classic hype machines of the information age" textbook

00:14:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215464 << 7bit, but not only this, you also get mutilation (escaped dashes)

00:14:06 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 23:02:11; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215457 <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite

00:15:55 nubbins`: for a while i was paid to develop bespoke widgets for "microsoft sharepoint", a CMS/DMS that is the biggest piece of shit you'll never see

00:16:32 nubbins`: no kidding, every now and then some internal piece of code would return an array of strings as a single, very large string, with entries separated by the escape string "#;"

00:17:21 nubbins`: move over CSV, P/SCSV is the new kid in town

00:17:47 asciilifeform: pr0gr355!!111

00:18:44 nubbins`: they also reappropriated all these general words like "Site" and "Web" and gave them specific definitions

00:19:00 asciilifeform: embrace, extend, extinguish (tm) (r) (microshit)

00:19:03 nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site

00:19:10 nubbins`: but of course they didn't update the API

00:19:13 nubbins`: so:

00:19:29 nubbins`: Web mySite = new Web(); would create a Site object

00:19:41 nubbins`: Site myWeb = new Site(); would create....

00:19:54 *: nubbins` facepalms thrice, runs out of hands, uses desk

00:20:09 phf: a good common lisp book to have in addition to keene's clos book is AMOP http://www.amazon.com/The-Metaobject-Protocol-Gregor-Kiczales/dp/0262610744

00:20:11 assbot: The Art of the Metaobject Protocol: Gregor Kiczales, Jim des Rivieres, Daniel G. Bobrow: 9780262610742: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkBWor )

00:21:22 nubbins`: anyway i gotta fuck off talking about that

00:21:34 nubbins`: having a bad tech day and reminiscing about nightmares past isn't helping

00:22:16 asciilifeform: phf et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/metaobject.djvu

00:22:33 asciilifeform: (to go with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215446 )

00:22:33 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:56:15; ascii_field: trinque et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/keene.djvu

00:23:03 asciilifeform: nubbins`: actually

00:23:24 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is probably a good time to mention a historical thesis i've chewed on in my head, on and off, for a decade or so

00:23:32 phf: hehe, maybe you also have PAIP in djvu?

00:23:38 asciilifeform: phf: yes

00:23:43 asciilifeform: phf: gotta dig it out

00:23:54 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing

00:24:34 asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud

00:24:54 asciilifeform: (and crown thug force, and usg monopoly concessions)

00:25:35 asciilifeform: if you read the primary 'current warz' crap from 1880s-90s, it is hauntingly similar to microshit in 1990s-2000s

00:26:48 nubbins`: smooth talkers win more often than not

00:26:56 asciilifeform: it wasn't just any 'smooth talk'

00:27:00 asciilifeform: it was a very specific thing

00:27:35 nubbins`: i find people don't want X so much as they want the experience of choosing/buying/being sold X

00:27:56 asciilifeform: not how winblowz gets on lusers' desks.

00:28:05 asciilifeform: perhaps in 1980s - yes

00:28:06 nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things

00:28:15 nubbins`: once the foot's in the door, sure, act changes

00:28:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Y0HGnRZNg

00:28:18 assbot: Ashley All Day - Don't Play - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54jVV )

00:28:24 nubbins`: nowadays they're riding the wave

00:28:25 asciilifeform: it becomes 'institution'

00:28:29 asciilifeform: and 'how it always was'

00:28:31 nubbins`: and we're all using AC

00:28:45 nubbins`: and windows uh, what is it now? 10?

00:28:50 *: nubbins` can't keep track

00:28:57 asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc new york city's remaining dc grid was only shut down a year or two ago !

00:29:09 nubbins`: !

00:29:10 asciilifeform: (there were lifts, etc. still on it)

00:29:18 nubbins`: i vaguely recall this

00:29:35 nubbins`: or was it the pneumatic water-based lift thing

00:29:42 nubbins`: memory fails me.

00:29:46 asciilifeform: http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/san-franciscos-secret-dc-grid << they still have

00:29:47 assbot: San Francisco’s Secret DC Grid - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54wbF )

00:29:50 asciilifeform: or did in '12

00:31:23 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai played with Dillo today. Seems to be promising "graphical" www browser

00:31:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:31:59 asciilifeform: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/?_r=0

00:32:02 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54PmR )

00:32:28 nubbins`: Bleyle admits that repairs can be pricey, especially hand-rewinding a DC motor, which can run between US $30 000 and $40 000. But he says even a refurbished motor looks cheap compared with the $500 000 cost of replacing the elevator, not to mention the months of involuntary stair climbing during the upgrade.

00:32:28 nubbins`: “Usually people just go for the motor,” says Bleyle.

00:32:32 nubbins`: i like this guy

00:32:49 nubbins`: at some point in my life, i'd like to require the rewinding of a motor

00:32:57 nubbins`: fairly unlikely at this point tho.

00:34:44 shinohai: Looks pretty interesting BingoBoingo, bookmarked.

00:35:41 asciilifeform: at any rate, if you go and read edison's writings, you get a very similar flavour of 'idiot savant / malicious imbecile' as from bill gates

00:35:55 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Seems to address the much neglected niche of graphical www without any scripting. Apparently default browser on 'raspian'

00:36:03 asciilifeform: ditto steve jobs

00:36:36 nubbins`: jobs is marginally interesting for having fessed up to LSD usage, but as i understand it was generally a piece of shit otherwise

00:37:11 shinohai: I have never owned a RasPI ... I can usually scrounge up a shitty laptop or something and load Debian on it xD

00:37:42 asciilifeform: shinohai: it has the distinction of being the singularly worst-performing and most closed-source-chipsety machine for the money

00:37:51 nubbins`: http://www.gifdome.com/uploads/5/0/4/6/50461919/5885922_orig.gif

00:37:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkE4MX )

00:37:53 asciilifeform: (usb and nic share a bus!)

00:38:29 asciilifeform: nubbins`: ?!

00:38:50 shinohai: Heh. I have only "owned" 1 apple product ever, an ipad and that lasted a week before I gave it away in disgust.

00:40:02 BingoBoingo: shinohai: You should really try a B&W Mac

00:40:04 shinohai: Laptop I have now came with Win 8, which I never even booted in to.

00:40:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other than as word processor, what can you use that thing for ?

00:41:09 shinohai: Playing "Oregon Trail" ?

00:41:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Time travel

00:41:26 BingoBoingo: nostalgia, archaeology

00:41:31 asciilifeform: well yes

00:41:37 phf: ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons

00:41:45 nubbins`: heh

00:41:48 *: nubbins` shrugs

00:41:57 *: shinohai may die of dysentery if he gets one.

00:41:58 nubbins`: for a time, i developed "app store" apps as a hobby

00:41:59 asciilifeform: but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian

00:42:06 asciilifeform: (unless he fesses up to being archaeologist)

00:42:08 nubbins`: ended up with an iphone, ipad, macbook...

00:42:53 shinohai: I had a musician friend in Berlin that loved Macbooks for music. Specialized use tho.

00:42:55 nubbins`: ipad sorta sucks now because it can't run the latest iOS and essentially zero new apps target the old versions

00:43:02 nubbins`: so it's essentially frozen in time

00:43:21 nubbins`: macbook, still going strong. typing on it now while InDesign pumps out dead tree sheets

00:43:25 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i can even see how this was sorta justified by crapple (has 1 core, no gpu!)

00:43:38 BingoBoingo: ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons << Bought one used with defunct vertical line on screen. Played with then closeted, then recycled. Prolly should have kept it.

00:43:42 asciilifeform: nubbins`: but what was their excuse for freezing support for 2009 macbooks ?!

00:44:01 asciilifeform: the ones sold today are the same fucking x86_64 as the 2007 and on

00:44:08 asciilifeform: so what gives

00:44:21 shinohai: It's like buying a Ferrari with the hood welded shut.

00:44:56 BingoBoingo: but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian << I recommend this one because hypercard. As a dare, for the ones that get it realize not all "advances" are such.

00:45:25 asciilifeform: i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels

00:45:29 asciilifeform: but to each - his own

00:45:45 nubbins`: asciilifeform they froze support for 2009 macbooks?!

00:45:49 shinohai: How is Crapples iWatch thing going does anyone know?

00:45:51 asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha

00:46:03 asciilifeform: nubbins`: they sure did.

00:46:08 *: nubbins` has late-2008, is running second-latest OS

00:46:50 asciilifeform: nubbins`: got an a1237 in the fleet - won't ever upgrade.

00:47:01 BingoBoingo: i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels << I usually do the presentation with a "clean desk" to heighten to realization that this machine was small enought to allow civilized other work at desk, as happened in age when computer was office accessory.

00:47:12 phf: BingoBoingo: i use that ibook for mac os 9 now, with kaleidoscope, hypercard, mcl (macintosh common lisp). i boot it up from time to time and it feels like the cyberpunk future that never was

00:47:24 asciilifeform: mcl was glorious

00:47:50 BingoBoingo: phf: I still kinda want a G3 or G4 iMac

00:47:51 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 & http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658

00:47:53 assbot: Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1U578pU )

00:47:54 assbot: Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1U575uf )

00:47:58 asciilifeform: damn http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658

00:48:00 assbot: Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1U575uf )

00:48:05 asciilifeform: ah there.

00:48:16 asciilifeform: ^ for n00bz

00:48:20 nubbins`: ah, a1237 = "air"?

00:48:25 asciilifeform: aha

00:48:30 nubbins`: i thought you couldn't even turn those back on again once they powered down.

00:48:32 nubbins`: single-use, no?

00:48:35 asciilifeform: wat

00:48:38 nubbins`: XD

00:48:41 asciilifeform: perhaps next year's !

00:48:43 phf: i like to show mcl to people who rave to me about some new feature in visual studio

00:48:45 nubbins`: we can only hope!

00:49:08 nubbins`: i had a colleague who used to carry around his macbook air in a manila envelope

00:49:10 nubbins`: like an asshole

00:49:10 asciilifeform: os 9 was the last actual apple os

00:50:31 nubbins`: cocoa API is more nextstep than anything else

00:50:39 asciilifeform: aha

00:51:03 nubbins`: srsly, NSInteger, NSString, etc

00:51:26 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-12-2014#948999 << see also.

00:51:26 assbot: Logged on 09-12-2014 02:39:31; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow)

00:51:54 nubbins`: in the sense that starbucks is rich man's coffee.

00:52:13 asciilifeform: if you're a kid in calcutta watching a b&w tv, where americans drink it - then yes!

00:52:48 asciilifeform: the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS

00:52:52 asciilifeform: for no good rational reason.

00:53:04 nubbins`: people like starbucks for no good rational reason either

00:53:08 asciilifeform: possibly the fact that it was not made by microshit and did not have the familiar msdos ANYWHERE in it

00:53:10 nubbins`: "it's good" fuck you, no it's not.

00:53:30 asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'starbucks' is in same mental category as microshit, in my mind

00:53:40 asciilifeform: because there are virtually no other coffee shops, as such, where i live

00:53:50 nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit

00:53:56 asciilifeform: it tastes like shit

00:54:01 asciilifeform: because they mandatorily overcook

00:54:06 nubbins`: that's because they roast all their fucking beans too dark.

00:54:13 nubbins`: |0|

00:54:38 nubbins`: starbucks roasts all beans to "second crack", which is the entry point to "dark roasts"

00:54:56 nubbins`: they claim this is so they're not selling you pesky water-containing beans but fully-dried coffee goodness

00:54:57 *: asciilifeform always suspected that 'starbucks' is dominant for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with food, or with consumers choosing x over y

00:55:11 nubbins`: but really it's so they can swap out bean X for bean Y in Holiday Blend and nobody notices.

00:55:33 nubbins`: starbucks is dominant because people want the experience of buying coffee more than they want coffee.

00:56:14 asciilifeform: i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ?

00:56:26 asciilifeform: is it some brain infection ?

00:56:30 nubbins`: why would anyone want the trappings of power instead of the real thing?

00:56:38 nubbins`: why would a rapper buy a ferrari instead of some GICs?

00:56:49 asciilifeform: the only reason i can picture is if they are convinced that the real thing cannot be had

00:57:03 nubbins`: starbucks drinkers do not realize that the real thing exists

00:57:06 nubbins`: they think they're drinking it.

00:57:08 asciilifeform: but that anyone would ~choose~ the fuffle - is beyond my puny brain

00:57:47 nubbins`: ;;google trappings of power site:thelastpsychiatrist.com

00:57:48 gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Hate Her Because She's Successful: ; No Self-Respecting Woman Would Go Out Without Make Up: ; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?:

00:57:52 nubbins`: ^

00:57:52 asciilifeform: yes, it

00:58:06 BingoBoingo: is it some brain infection ? << Yes, disease was 1950's USia. The appearance that came from the plenty of being only "civilized" area not torn to shit in the 1940's and agriculture's strain to provide real food. Marketing got really good at pushing "tv dinners"

00:58:18 nubbins`: we were thinking about selling P's house a few months ago. talked to a couple of realtors

00:58:33 nubbins`: first one was very businesslike: what's the house like, how big, how much you wanna sell it for

00:58:45 nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her

00:59:04 nubbins`: i'll do x, i'll do y, i won't do z, here's a tote bag

00:59:12 asciilifeform: l0l

00:59:18 BingoBoingo: Several decades of "marketing" and you've got generations starting life with the impression that powdered cheese belongs on noodles

00:59:48 nubbins`: the experience-seller waited until the end of the convo to tell us that she'd be listing the house $30k below market value and if we didn't like that, find someone else

00:59:50 mats: http://www.metacritic.com/tv/halt-and-catch-fire this is p good

00:59:52 assbot: Halt and Catch Fire - Season 1 Reviews - Metacritic ... ( http://bit.ly/1U59162 )

01:00:02 nubbins`: mats i enjoyed it

01:00:13 nubbins`: asciilifeform ^

01:00:36 nubbins`: mats it was a bit light on the actual tech stuff for my liking

01:00:38 mats: my motivation to learn RE has been flagging recently and this is just the ticket

01:00:39 nubbins`: but hey

01:00:56 asciilifeform: mats: if it's no secret, what was your motivation in the first place for it ?

01:01:03 mats: yeah I've heard that, I only just finished the pilot

01:01:08 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: even the impression that powdered cheese belongs is a bad one

01:01:12 asciilifeform: mats: i ask, because i've never (afaik) met anyone who ~decided consciously~ to study it

01:01:20 mats: asciilifeform: access.

01:01:29 asciilifeform: ?

01:02:20 mats: curiosity, access, and power.

01:02:44 mats: hence my narrow focus on exploitation.

01:03:46 phf: starbucks is kind of like mcdonalds, and the same reason microsoft won, guiranteed same mediocre experience, so if you're driving through north carolina and you need your caffeine fix, you don't have to engage any mental faculties, because there be dragons outside your comfort bubble. i've noticed that with a lot of my starbucks loving friends, for them it's kind of like "i know this, this is starbucks"

01:03:49 asciilifeform: mats: i have never personally known anyone who achieved great power or access to astonishing s33kr1tz through re. but i am willing to concede that somewhere, they exist.

01:04:06 nubbins`: phf same thing with Tim Horton's in canada

01:04:12 nubbins`: it's actual swill

01:04:19 nubbins`: people love it

01:04:37 asciilifeform: phf: this described mcd, yes. but starbucks also has a kind of pretentious-twit appeal (or once had)

01:04:41 nubbins`: it's a regular occurrence these past few years for Timmy's drive-thrus to have to be rebuilt to accomodate more traffic

01:04:51 nubbins`: because of drive-thru bozos spilling out of the parking lot and into the road

01:04:59 asciilifeform: but i dare say that at this point, it's a microshit:

01:05:11 asciilifeform: if i feel like coffee, i get to choose between shitbux and the office pot.

01:06:28 ben_vulpes: our coffee's just about the best one can buy in this town.

01:06:39 phf: i'm surprised there isn't some hip coffee shop with brooklyn roasted beans in silver spring..

01:06:46 nubbins`: phf maybe there is!

01:06:50 nubbins`: maybe you could open one

01:06:53 ben_vulpes: who wants brooklyn roasted beans

01:07:03 nubbins`: people in brooklyn

01:07:04 ben_vulpes: they don't have the water necessary to make coffee you can taste

01:07:08 asciilifeform: there used to be a drinkable coffee in wash.,dc

01:07:12 nubbins`: real coffee shops filter their water

01:07:14 asciilifeform: but it recently starbuxized

01:07:21 ben_vulpes: how can you trust their roasting if you can't trust their tasting?

01:07:25 asciilifeform: (started mega-roasting or whatever it is they do)

01:07:43 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: shops, maybe. in some place, maybe. not here.

01:07:49 mats: asciilifeform: we'll see in a decade or two. this is my life's work.

01:07:51 *: nubbins` shrugs :D

01:08:09 nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination

01:08:15 asciilifeform: aha

01:08:18 phf: nubbins`: oh, that was re asciilifeform's comments. there's plenty of good coffee in philadelphia

01:08:19 *: asciilifeform thought this was well-known

01:08:25 nubbins`: asciilifeform actually not!

01:08:30 ben_vulpes: true for good chocolate as well.

01:08:52 ben_vulpes: my buddy goes through a TEU of raw cacao beans every year or so.

01:09:12 nubbins`: :o

01:09:23 shinohai: Hey there is always Kopi Luwak

01:09:33 asciilifeform: point being, the only coffee i or anyone i know can readily access in <10 min., is office pot or shitbux

01:09:42 nubbins`: shinohai Kopi Luwak is 100% for rubes

01:09:49 asciilifeform: because that's what's in every street corner.

01:09:51 ben_vulpes: you know me, alf!

01:09:52 shinohai: indeed

01:09:55 nubbins`: 0/10, would not buy

01:09:58 asciilifeform: know in meatspace

01:10:05 ben_vulpes: i have 2 top-notch joints within 5 minutes stroll.

01:10:13 ben_vulpes: you and your usaschwitz.

01:10:17 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes lives in some very other country

01:10:21 asciilifeform: which i've never been to

01:10:26 nubbins`: kopi luwak = let's take some weasels, cage them, force feed them shit-quality coffee

01:10:29 asciilifeform: and could no more move to than france or argentina

01:10:35 nubbins`: pick the intestinal worms out of the diarrhoea

01:10:42 nubbins`: and sell the beans for $150/lb

01:10:58 asciilifeform: nubbins`: when i learned about this coffee, as a boy, i immediately wondered why they use this animal and no other

01:11:07 ben_vulpes: eh, optimize performance for elemental

01:11:09 nubbins`: the animal naturally likes coffee cherries

01:11:11 asciilifeform: why not feed it to horses, cows

01:11:13 nubbins`: picks the choicest ones

01:11:14 ben_vulpes: pull in 120k, live on 80k.

01:11:15 asciilifeform: pigs

01:11:18 asciilifeform: they'll eat whatever

01:11:25 shinohai: I always feel like reddit started that trend or something

01:11:41 nubbins`: nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow.

01:12:20 nubbins`: i guess the intestinal juices / fermenting impart a flavour

01:12:30 BingoBoingo: nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. << I have the feeling a ruminant's multiple stomachs could defeat even a bean.

01:12:33 nubbins`: but i've never seen a serious coffee cupper give kopi luwak more than a 7/10

01:12:34 asciilifeform: i bet pigs would work just as well

01:12:37 asciilifeform: esp. if bred for the task

01:12:48 nubbins`: jamaican blue mountain, same shit

01:12:51 nubbins`: people buying a name

01:13:00 nubbins`: too stupid to realize that coffee is produce

01:13:06 nubbins`: and just because a farm had a great crop one year

01:13:14 nubbins`: doesn't mean all coffee from that region is great

01:13:24 nubbins`: or even that next year's batch will be fit to drink

01:13:42 BingoBoingo: i bet pigs would work just as well << May need an obligate carnivore for musk from the anal glands. Perhaps physical Doge may have a use.

01:13:50 nubbins`: heh

01:13:57 shinohai: LOLZ

01:14:02 ben_vulpes: the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS << noises were gorgeous

01:14:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you need an animal which doesn't immediately croak from caffeine

01:14:10 nubbins`: ^

01:14:13 nubbins`: most won't eat it

01:14:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Monsanto the Doge!!!

01:14:24 nubbins`: hell, most humans won't eat coffee

01:15:03 nubbins`: (was at friend's house one hung-over morning. his wife places chocolate chip pancakes on table in front of him. he starts chewing, massive crunching sounds. i raise eyebrow; "coffee beans", he says)

01:15:22 BingoBoingo: "Roundup Ready" can probably be introduced into Doge via certain primate CYP450A1 alleles

01:15:22 asciilifeform: let's package'n'sell ~his~ turds?

01:15:31 nubbins`: would not eat

01:15:45 nubbins`: asciilifeform this is the guy w/ the ramblings i occasionally post

01:15:52 asciilifeform: nubbins` wouldn't. civet degustatorz - yes

01:15:52 nubbins`: !s the buggers held full control

01:15:53 assbot: 2 results for 'the buggers held full control' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+buggers+held+full+control

01:16:12 ben_vulpes: it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak

01:17:01 phf: asciilifeform: http://bumpngrind.co are supplied by a dc roaster, without "blends"

01:17:04 assbot: Bump 'n Grind | Coffee. Music. Food. ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5crWd )

01:17:32 nubbins`: blends are lame

01:17:35 asciilifeform: phf: neat. unfortunately i'm not in that town often

01:17:36 nubbins`: it's all about single-origin these days

01:17:49 nubbins`: turns out coffee has incredibly complex flavours

01:17:57 ben_vulpes: (single-estate if you can get it)

01:18:03 nubbins`: ^

01:18:09 ben_vulpes: which, trivial.

01:18:11 nubbins`: i used to buy beans from sweetmarias.com

01:18:16 nubbins`: top quality

01:18:18 ben_vulpes: beans over the internet?

01:18:19 ben_vulpes: o.O

01:18:20 asciilifeform: see, i want something much more realistic - drink which is not ~deliberately~ shit-flavoured

01:18:21 nubbins`: green ones.

01:18:24 nubbins`: roast 'em at home.

01:18:24 ben_vulpes: ah.

01:18:26 ben_vulpes: aha.

01:18:37 nubbins`: ($12 hit-air popcorn popper is a very capable roaster)

01:18:40 nubbins`: *hot-air

01:18:48 nubbins`: low volume tho. 1/4cup at a time.

01:18:53 ben_vulpes: i have enough hobbies tyvm

01:19:04 nubbins`: later, i re-wired a breadmaking machine and heatgun combo into a roaster

01:19:06 asciilifeform: 'want a glass of beer? here's some sand, some lime, some hop seeds...'

01:19:10 nubbins`: heh

01:19:18 nubbins`: asciilifeform a roast takes ~6 minutes in a popper

01:19:27 nubbins`: if you like your beans dark

01:19:45 BingoBoingo: lol, not enough "GreeK" crises http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/07/los_angeles_and_boston_olympic_bids_we_should_force_cities_to_participate.html

01:19:46 assbot: Los Angeles and Boston Olympic bids: We should force cities to participate. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkI680 )

01:19:59 nubbins`: https://www.sweetmarias.com/category/green-coffee/africa-and-arabia/ethiopia

01:20:01 assbot: Ethiopia ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkI9AJ )

01:20:05 nubbins`: ^ a great place to start if you're curious

01:20:19 nubbins`: Yirga Cheffe is hands-down my favourite coffee origin

01:20:21 phf: asciilifeform: it was a reasonable guess :)

01:22:13 phf: nubbins`: i always thought blends are like multigrain breads, a way to have a brand separate from the product, so you can easily substitute your sources

01:22:28 asciilifeform: aha, mcdonaldization

01:22:29 nubbins`: ah, yep.

01:22:35 nubbins`: precisely so

01:22:42 nubbins`: this is done different ways in different places.

01:23:03 nubbins`: kenya, for example: all coffee is sold through government auction, where the beans are sorted not by quality, original, processing method, etc but by SIZE.

01:23:46 nubbins`: colombia: all coffee sold through government ("juan valdez"), always blended to produce well-rounded, nice, but uninteresting cups

01:24:32 nubbins`: compare with most of central america, ethiopia, and others, where you can go to an actual farm and say "i want THESE beans" and receive said beans

01:25:06 nubbins`: (sweet maria's often makes deals direct with farmers, bypassing "fair trade" and the requisite fee structure while also giving farmers more of the money for themselves)

01:25:49 nubbins`: phun phact, you have to pay TransFair $0.10 for each coffee bag you print the "fair trade" logo on

01:26:16 *: asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans

01:26:31 asciilifeform: y'know, like everybody in, e.g., buenos aires, can

01:26:50 nubbins`: heh

01:26:56 nubbins`: and nobody in bogota can ;)

01:26:58 asciilifeform: i get it, it is possible to 'gentooize' just about anything

01:26:59 phf: oh i was wondering why i never see kenyan beans from roasters. ethiopia, rwanda

01:27:00 asciilifeform: even coffee

01:27:11 nubbins`: asciilifeform there are plenty of small-batch gourmet roasters that sell online

01:27:16 nubbins`: "coffee subscriptions" are a thing, even.

01:27:20 asciilifeform: yes

01:27:23 asciilifeform: this is gentooization

01:27:27 nubbins`: :D

01:27:27 asciilifeform: it means work

01:29:01 nubbins`: http://freshofftheroast.com/

01:29:03 assbot: Fresh Off the Roast | Current Coffee Inventory ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5dpSD )

01:29:05 nubbins`: right in DC

01:29:21 asciilifeform: nubbins`: but ~not~ <10min from my middle-of-nowhere $office

01:29:27 nubbins`: nope!

01:29:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00053846 = 17.2307 BTC [-] {2}

01:29:36 asciilifeform: hence same as if importing by post from ethiopia or whatever.

01:29:36 nubbins`: you'd actually have to -- gasp -- go buy the beans

01:29:45 asciilifeform: ergo - gentoo.

01:29:46 phf: gentooization is the norm of usg living

01:29:53 nubbins`: or do you only eat bread from sandwich shops?

01:30:10 asciilifeform: bread from market

01:30:23 asciilifeform: there is a coffee man there, also. but he sells starbuxified crapbeans

01:30:37 nubbins`: ehh.

01:30:50 nubbins`: if your complaint is that the thing you want is not literally within 10 minutes of your home

01:30:57 nubbins`: i'm not sure why i'm trying to help you find a solution

01:31:00 asciilifeform: it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires

01:31:06 asciilifeform: didn't say there was a solution, l0l

01:31:11 nubbins`: and i've got a two-minute walk.

01:31:16 nubbins`: maybe you need to move to a new city ;p

01:31:18 asciilifeform: yes, i can gentooize it and get real coffee

01:31:34 asciilifeform: but what i actually want is to live in the civilized world.

01:31:54 nubbins`: where specialty coffee is not delivered to your door twice monthly, but within walking distance

01:31:56 asciilifeform: y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to

01:32:15 nubbins`: hey, if you're in the other washington, china is to the west

01:32:35 nubbins`: why in the fuck is the yellow print head printing black ink?

01:32:40 *: nubbins` rages

01:33:36 nubbins`: good thing i've gotten 0 accomplished since 2pm

01:35:36 phf: гудбай америка о, страна где я не буду никогда

01:37:07 asciilifeform: ^^^

01:39:30 nubbins`: printed some cool SHARKS today, tho

01:39:30 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/eyq1HvL.jpg

01:39:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5ebPp )

01:39:38 BingoBoingo: y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to << I'd hate to see the alternate history where your parents moved you to ben_vulpes's west

01:42:02 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/btS5cmQ.jpg

01:42:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5eGc4 )

01:42:24 nubbins`: had hoped to get the other 2 colours down today, but..

01:43:39 nubbins`: yesterday's work: http://imgur.com/0gIP0Rc

01:43:40 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5eSbA )

01:53:41 nubbins`: ok, actually have to throw printer out window. seeya

02:03:48 phf: BingoBoingo: there's an entire generation of foreigners who believed in the america of coca cola commercials and schwarzenegger movies. they thought the aspirational simulacrum is the real deal. so of course moving here was a huge letdown.

02:03:59 phf: there's a lot of russian jews working at NIH, self style soviet dissidents, who now run various research departments same way as they were doing it back then. the common sentiment is basically "we've been had for a pair of chinese jeans"

02:04:14 phf: the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes.

02:04:20 BingoBoingo: I can see that.

02:05:13 BingoBoingo: Only Hollywood movies where CIA is an antagonist are the ones where Tom Cruise works for a still more secret agency

02:09:28 mats: not so secret, the IMF

02:15:42 BingoBoingo: The only really appealing thing from any of those films I've seen was the gum.

02:16:04 gernika: There's a generation of americans that believed in those ads and movies too.

02:36:24 decimation: phf: I think this is the root of about 90% of euro hate on the us

02:37:01 decimation: yarvin pointed this out as well: you failed to live up to the america you propagandised us into believing in!

02:37:56 shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg

02:37:57 assbot: Amerika - Rammstein (English Subtitles) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtDUOs )

02:38:19 decimation: which is why they spaz out whenver something slightly right-wing happens in the us, and meanwhile award obama the nobel

02:41:47 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: didn't take you for a mission impossible fan.

02:42:45 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform as a pot smoking hippie in some alternate reality...the stuff good sitcoms are made of

02:43:01 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

02:43:02 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.74, Best ask: 294.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 294.73, 24 hour volume: 13251.94979111, 24 hour low: 293.1, 24 hour high: 297.72, 24 hour vwap: None

02:43:09 mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful.

02:43:27 decimation: shinohai: yes exactly that

02:45:46 mircea_popescu: the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. << word srsly.

02:47:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215506 << i recall laughing at people for this reason a decade ago.

02:47:10 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:19:03; nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site

02:48:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215524 << that continuity is simply the immemorial, stone-like continuity of stupidity.

02:48:03 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:23:54; asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing

02:49:09 mircea_popescu: the avatars of "common sense" as held by the mentally stunted adult roman woman of "respectable extraction" would find exact equivalents in the heads of your new york rachel fucktard today, or in the heads of british imbecile a century ago, or wherever else. and it'd take them all of half an hour to start nodding approvingly at each other

02:49:37 mircea_popescu: a facility which is both why so very few women do anything notable and at the same time why stuff like language even maintains any sort of continuity over time.

02:50:10 mircea_popescu: "gotta support the team!"

02:50:27 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2e7VkHwYbI

02:50:28 assbot: "Hey man, I'm just trying to support the team." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNyszt )

02:52:23 decimation: lol from the youtube comments of that Amerika song: "There is absolutely nothing positive in germany that comes from America. America's entire auto industry re-packages their cars from German made models. This model of doing business is used on every thing America sells. "

02:52:29 decimation: "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU"

02:52:41 decimation: ^ this is true and completely untaught in the us

02:53:01 mircea_popescu: so not true.

02:53:02 decimation: (assuming he is talking about the forced repatriation of ethnic germans

02:53:22 mircea_popescu: they came up with thje "let's put a lawnmower engine in ten cubic meters of injected plastic" thing all on their own

02:53:34 mircea_popescu: next you knew, bmw and mercedes were falling over each othert toi make "suv"s

02:53:58 decimation: yeah, big trucks sell well in the us

02:54:19 mircea_popescu: except these are suzukis with horns.

02:54:24 decimation: there's a weird cultural thing in america about minivans

02:54:32 mircea_popescu: 1.3k cc engine "trucks" that can't climb a 3% incline.

02:54:49 decimation: somehow it's okay to drive a gigantic truck with seats (suv) but a minivan isn't - even though it's more efficient and generally can carry more stuff

02:55:06 decimation: ? trucks in the us have gigantic engies

02:56:09 mircea_popescu: some do

02:56:24 mircea_popescu: srsly, look at the "affordable" set.

02:56:29 decimation: it's quite common to see them fitted with diesels that generate more than 400 brake hp

02:56:36 BingoBoingo: "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" << Pretty sure German actually was on the GMO crop train first

02:56:47 decimation: well, yes it is true to see trucks like that are very expensive

02:56:53 decimation: > $50k

02:57:44 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo true.

02:57:56 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Colorado < cheapass us truck

02:57:57 assbot: Chevrolet Colorado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNzagk )

02:58:17 mircea_popescu: also, anyone who thinks "america has brought porn" is a fucktard of prime order.

02:58:22 mircea_popescu: swiss brought porn, to america.

02:58:34 mircea_popescu: moreover the notion porn is bad... mmkay.

02:58:57 BingoBoingo: decimation: Not really how it works. Same name covers about 15 very different trucks any given year.

02:59:00 phf: it's sitll pax americana last time i checked, so everyone's a hater

02:59:06 decimation: ^

02:59:35 decimation: not that the trends are looking good

03:00:04 mircea_popescu: phf who'dja chjeck with ?

03:01:37 phf: mircea_popescu: my handlers

03:02:01 BingoBoingo: Anyways the Nordics introduced death to America first when they collapsed Red civilization with biological terrorist attacks.

03:02:46 mircea_popescu: phf lmao whossat ?

03:04:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever

03:04:07 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud

03:04:30 mircea_popescu: and for the first time making it worth something projectively. prior to that, it was just measured by the world, as anything. exported to china for its silver weight etc.

03:04:43 mircea_popescu: edison definitely instrumental in all of this, but there's a good half dozen names involved.

03:05:08 decimation: well, europe destroying itself didn't help their case either

03:05:24 mircea_popescu: sort of a reversed lenin equation. "sturdy but dumb" + "aluminum siding salesmen" = $$$

03:05:31 mircea_popescu: europe lives to destroy itself.

03:06:03 decimation: after wwi anyone who wasn't a dead or on fire was by default the 'winner'

03:06:25 mircea_popescu: still, you know - that old question of "so you want the mike - what are you going to say into it ?"

03:06:29 mircea_popescu: not so hard to be "the winner".

03:06:40 decimation: well, we've seen the 'american century'

03:06:59 mircea_popescu: started pretty good, but eventually meh.

03:07:06 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever << Probably actually started when US and Britain fought for monopoly to impress North Americans into maritime service

03:07:06 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud

03:07:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00053825 = 23.9252 BTC [-]

03:07:07 mircea_popescu: very much like a holywood film i guess.

03:07:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, it was a carnegie, and rockefeller, and so on and so on thing

03:07:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think it started earlier

03:07:42 phf: i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn't say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :)

03:08:05 mircea_popescu: phf most people with your desires just get married.

03:08:15 BingoBoingo: Carnegie and Rockefeller did not invent Northern Aggression on their own in their own lifetimes without foundations

03:08:33 mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?

03:08:55 mircea_popescu: the guy that kept waking up and dreaming stuff with the bush and the policeman ?

03:11:21 phf: i don't know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same

03:16:53 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/XKCrN

03:16:55 assbot: Should I invest my Bit-Coins? /s : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtsnPZ )

03:29:44 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

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03:30:07 BingoBoingo: Oh davout, looking bullish

03:34:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81780 @ 0.00053055 = 43.3884 BTC [-] {3}

03:34:41 mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215892 << what do you mean by this?

03:34:41 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 02:43:09; mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful.

03:35:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18679 @ 0.00052801 = 9.8627 BTC [-]

03:41:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215958 << what did he expect, running off to usa?

03:41:03 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 03:08:33; mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?

03:41:48 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/07/after-petition-obama-still-wants-to-try-snowden-for-espionage/

03:41:49 assbot: After Petition Obama Still Wants to Try Snowden for Espionage | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPg0C )

03:41:56 asciilifeform: he was permitted to write a book, the very typical 'escaped sov brass' boot, nominally 'edgy' but 100% usg-approved

03:42:08 asciilifeform: *book

03:42:59 mats: snowden deserves to hang

03:43:44 mats: a man does not purport to reveal govt wrongdoing and then proceed to dump hundreds of thousands of documents indiscriminately

03:43:46 asciilifeform: for hoarding the goodz

03:43:58 asciilifeform: and serving his usg masters to this day

03:44:08 asciilifeform: yes - hang.

03:44:10 mats: this is not responsible disclosure at any stretch

03:44:15 asciilifeform: fuck 'responsible'

03:44:17 asciilifeform: let'em burn.

03:44:37 mircea_popescu: ;;isup fraudsters.com

03:44:39 gribble: fraudsters.com is up

03:44:43 mircea_popescu: ;;isfraudsters up.com

03:44:43 gribble: Error: "isfraudsters" is not a valid command.

03:44:49 mircea_popescu: well something like that.

03:44:58 asciilifeform: the responsible thing to do is to help propel the bastards to hell where they belong.

03:45:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it loads here.

03:45:45 BingoBoingo: I find Snowden and Saavis guy a nive contrast. Snowden gets hot stripper wife, Saavis CEO get stripper fired.

03:46:31 mircea_popescu: wait, snowden married ?!

03:46:42 asciilifeform: not afaik ?

03:46:54 asciilifeform: and anyway, snowden is a tv character

03:47:01 asciilifeform: it'd be like saying 'sherlock holmes married'

03:47:12 mircea_popescu: aww

03:47:58 asciilifeform: hardcore philologists may care about the imaginary personal life of a literary character, sure

03:48:28 BingoBoingo: wait, snowden married ?! << Last I checked his girlfriend followed him into exile.

03:49:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun get what you base this on!

03:49:30 asciilifeform: !s hangout

03:49:31 assbot: 48 results for 'hangout' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hangout

03:49:53 mircea_popescu: the problem is not that i don't understand what you're saying. the problem is i don't see what you're basing it on.

03:50:08 asciilifeform: (there is convincing evidence that all the ~good stuff~ - e.g., DEITYBOUNCE, GODSURGE, etc. - is from snowden2

03:50:09 asciilifeform: )

03:50:15 asciilifeform: who was killed

03:50:33 BingoBoingo: who was killed << I suspect this is more Greenwald than Snowden1

03:50:46 asciilifeform: greenwald helped to lead him to the cork-lined cellar, yes

03:51:12 mircea_popescu: where is this evidence ?

03:51:31 mircea_popescu: not that what you propose doesn't make for a better story, but still.

03:51:39 mircea_popescu: poor criteria for anything but moviemaking, this.

03:51:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint)

03:52:07 asciilifeform: and the fact that after 'other snowden' published this, greenwald & co claimed contact

03:52:14 asciilifeform: and no more technical docs after this.

03:52:23 asciilifeform: we don't have a corpse, no

03:52:29 asciilifeform: but a spent shell, and some smoke.

03:53:09 asciilifeform: i read 100% of the material attributed to both 'snowdens'

03:53:14 asciilifeform: the difference is a brick in the face.

03:53:18 asciilifeform: very, very clear.

03:53:31 mircea_popescu: care to make this a narrative for my benefit ?

03:53:40 asciilifeform: specifically ?

03:53:44 mircea_popescu: lemme try.

03:53:48 asciilifeform: as in, a formulated hypothesis ?

03:53:51 asciilifeform: lessee

03:54:30 asciilifeform: mr nsa firmware diddler reads morning papers, for months, containing snowden (tm). decides to fuck his employer, who he never really liked

03:54:34 mircea_popescu: so, t1 = snowden 2 ran off with some papers ; t2 = usg figurdd it out ; t3 = snowden 1 is created for purpose of defense ; t4 = greenwald & co start promoting snowden 1 ; t5 = snowden 2 finally makes public contact ; t6 = greenwald & co claim contact ; t7->to this present day

03:54:36 mircea_popescu: something like that ?

03:54:36 asciilifeform: (they make him work a full shift, imagine)

03:54:59 asciilifeform: ^ this is one entirely plausible sketch

03:55:03 asciilifeform: i can think of a few others

03:55:30 BingoBoingo: the difference is a brick in the face. << I lean towards attributing this to the two having sifferent roles and access. Difference being Snowden1 achieved escape velocity before collaborating with Greenwald and others while 2 blindly followed 1's example into trap

03:55:36 mircea_popescu: it can only be plausible if simultaneously a) one's never had any sort of interaction wit hthe usg and b) one's stewed for years / millions of words' worth in some armchair generalship club.

03:55:46 asciilifeform: t1 = schmuckden runs off with some paperz, gives to phriendz t2 = found, through one way or another, and nailgunned t3 = snowden (tm) (r) is created

03:56:05 mircea_popescu: this does not explain why bother releasing anything.

03:56:29 asciilifeform: for this, we visit earlier threads re: hangout

03:56:55 asciilifeform: easy hypothesis - sell 'redphones,' 'blackphones,', 'keybase', 'cryptodoesntwork' (tm) (r)

03:58:58 asciilifeform: the 'second leaker' is abundantly clear from the entirely other (interesting, actionable, technically-detailed) nature of the 'ANT catalogue' papers

03:58:59 mircea_popescu: the problem with this theory is that it's thoroughly based on itself.

03:59:14 asciilifeform: no, based on ANT papers vs all the other garbage

03:59:42 asciilifeform: and the fact that it was 1) out of phase 2) no more where that came from.

04:00:16 asciilifeform: they were also, apparently, unable to entirely suppress the rumour of the existence of 'second man'

04:00:30 asciilifeform: but disposed of him (and anyone who might be able to supply conclusive proof)

04:01:41 asciilifeform: on top of this, the greenwald-poitras-omidyar shitgang never mentioned him again

04:01:41 mircea_popescu: but looky : the fact that some later schmuck had better/different materials

04:01:47 mircea_popescu: does not per se say anything about the earlier one.

04:02:03 mircea_popescu: this is "my girlfriend was a virgin when i met her because her previous boyfriend had a shitty job"

04:02:10 asciilifeform: earlier schmuck, supposedly had 'everything'

04:02:16 mircea_popescu: not so.

04:02:22 asciilifeform: or everything he could fit on his bag of disks

04:02:26 mircea_popescu: aha.

04:02:30 mircea_popescu: he had a bag of dicks.

04:02:35 asciilifeform: which all just ~happens~ to be idiot powerpoint

04:02:39 mircea_popescu: also, he had a "safety stash"

04:02:42 asciilifeform: of 1990s-era programs a la 'echelon'

04:02:48 asciilifeform: that everybody with half a neuron already knew about

04:02:52 mircea_popescu: well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate.

04:02:59 asciilifeform: aha.

04:03:07 mircea_popescu: recall that one time when iu had to force "wikileaks" to publish documents ?

04:03:12 asciilifeform: aha

04:03:14 mircea_popescu: still draggedf their feet for almost a whole day.

04:03:25 mircea_popescu: the fact that the barnacles are barnacles does not speak much of the ship.

04:03:31 BingoBoingo: well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate. << Greenwald/Guardian did filter the SNowden 1 documents

04:03:32 mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3930HSM.txt

04:03:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPZ1V )

04:03:33 deedbot-: rejected: 1

04:03:34 asciilifeform: notice that no one is forcing the buggerz to print anything today.

04:03:36 mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2DR6GRT.txt

04:03:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPYem )

04:03:37 deedbot-: rejected: 1

04:03:50 mats: ...fucking unicode

04:03:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fwiw, i've not yet published tons of reams of piles of stuff either.

04:04:14 asciilifeform: well sure

04:04:56 asciilifeform: but the inevitable conclusion is that the greenwald shitgang works for washington

04:05:05 mircea_popescu: that part was never, afaik, disputed.

04:05:10 asciilifeform: because they ~do not actually want the ears cut off the walls~

04:05:16 mircea_popescu: ;;google dear guardian stop being retarded

04:05:17 gribble: Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea ...: ; fraudsters Presei on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Dear Mr Gove: what's so 'British' about your 'British ... - The Guardian:

04:05:28 asciilifeform: if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious

04:05:51 asciilifeform: and the total, unwavering absence of leakz with actual technical details passing through them.

04:06:01 asciilifeform: they even censored something so mundane as the botnet c&c ips

04:06:16 asciilifeform: ergo they are not in any sense enemies of usg

04:06:23 mircea_popescu: that's funny, incidentally.

04:06:25 BingoBoingo: if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious << WHich is why the escaped yet utterly contained Snowden1 is known for nothing but powerpoints. Censored and surrounded with phriends.

04:06:27 asciilifeform: but instead help to showcase the muscles thereof

04:06:44 mircea_popescu: the reason they did is that some of the ips were actually traceable to various poorly protected shells.

04:06:53 mircea_popescu: and at the time at least they still thought "we" don't have the list

04:06:55 BingoBoingo: Nothing interesting was ever conveyed by powerpoint

04:07:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, that was actually a rather lulzy forced humiliation.

04:07:33 mircea_popescu: they couldn't even let the ips through, because that badly set up.

04:08:16 phf: if corporate sop is anything to go by, it's probably easier to get access to powerpoints (cross-company shared materials), then to actual technical details (contained within individual teams' machines)

04:08:26 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-02-2015#1036040 << see also.

04:08:26 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 04:57:56; asciilifeform: essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout

04:08:33 asciilifeform: ^ is when i'll 'believe.'

04:09:17 asciilifeform: and i mean ~genuine~ catastrophe, not 'jam tomorrow' like the opm thing

04:09:29 asciilifeform: as in, army is decimated because $leak

04:09:38 asciilifeform: or pill against rsa they've had since 1993 is revealed

04:09:39 asciilifeform: etc.

04:10:30 phf: lizard hitler's stash

04:13:38 BingoBoingo: lizard hitler's stash << Jurrassic World topping the box office because Lizards are real

04:13:50 mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1PT2FNJ.txt

04:13:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx0veM )

04:13:52 deedbot-: accepted: 1

04:13:52 mats: deedbot-: dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt

04:13:58 mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2MMNJ8A.txt

04:13:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx0tUa )

04:13:59 deedbot-: accepted: 1

04:14:37 mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2MMNJ8A.txt

04:14:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx0tUa )

04:14:39 deedbot-: accepted: 1

04:16:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32470 @ 0.00052546 = 17.0617 BTC [-] {2}

04:16:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess.

04:17:19 mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park.

04:18:26 mircea_popescu: phf yeah, which is how snowden (1) got all the stuff in the first place.

04:25:18 mircea_popescu: <phf> lizard hitler's stash <<< yeah, aka "i'll believe this outside phenomena happened if and only if, and only to the degree it, confirms convictions i held previously and independently of reality"

04:25:39 mircea_popescu: the very dangerous dual edged blade of discipline.

04:28:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215534 << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune.

04:28:36 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:28:06; nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things

04:29:22 mats: ;;tslb

04:29:36 gribble: Time since last block: 9 minutes and 8 seconds

04:31:55 BingoBoingo: << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. << Unfortunately for everyone's enshittenment Constanza and Windows 95 ascended to prominence at roughly the same time.

04:32:05 mircea_popescu: aha

04:32:42 BingoBoingo: Windows wasn't really even much of a thing apparently until Windows 95 when the local Walmart had lines for it thanks to "marketing"

04:35:37 scoopbot_revived: Foxy's Quite Almost Craftbot http://fraudsters.com/2015/foxys-quite-almost-craftbot/

04:35:45 pete_dushenski: "Drivers who work for Uber should verify their vehicles are insured for commercial use, the Insurance Bureau of Canada said Tuesday after the Alberta government concluded the ride-hailing service's insurance policies don't meet that province's requirements." << ayup. sv's 'sharing economy' is a whole whack of insurance fraud.

04:35:45 BingoBoingo: That was the moment where the transition went from every individual computer manufacterer's branded Microsoft DOS to the unified Windows monolith. It really is no wonder... considering what was going on at IBM in retrospect... that people though OS/2 had a chance

04:37:22 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's looking like to build a working Eulora Imma have to do it like Bitcoin-qt and hit delete a lot. This closed source Nvidia CS-toolkit is no bueno

04:40:00 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216110 << wake me up when surinam takes alaska and there is no army to oppose it.

04:40:00 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:16:42; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess.

04:40:37 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216111 << the difference between a 'opm' beating and a genuine one is that the beaten fella isn't back next week asking for more, at the end of a genuine one

04:40:37 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:17:19; mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park.

04:40:42 asciilifeform: instead, he is worm food.

04:41:00 mircea_popescu: there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se.

04:41:06 mircea_popescu: just individual boxers.

04:41:18 asciilifeform: usg is still in the ring.

04:41:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.

04:41:29 mircea_popescu: even using x a lot.

04:41:31 mircea_popescu: (x is a pos)

04:41:33 asciilifeform: when obamitler is impaled at nuremberg - then, done, yes.

04:41:51 asciilifeform: when ted turner is publicly bathed in sulfuric acid - then.

04:41:59 mircea_popescu: which is kinda why i was encouraging stuff like "rip off vlc's asciigfx codec and make an emacs eulora client"

04:42:07 mircea_popescu: why turner of all people ?

04:42:11 asciilifeform: random pick.

04:42:16 mircea_popescu: mno.

04:42:22 mircea_popescu: cuz then you're gonna say it was a coincidence.

04:42:27 asciilifeform: l0l

04:42:39 mircea_popescu: or w/e, make a different random pick.

04:42:55 asciilifeform: just basic formula of 'when the lords are lowered into the most abject pederasty'

04:43:09 mircea_popescu: this basic formula of yours stays vague deliberately, for the obvious reason.

04:43:37 asciilifeform: for lack of basic info, yes. i very much believe that i do not know the names of the folks who need to bathe in the acid

04:43:48 asciilifeform: nor are they publicly observable

04:43:49 mircea_popescu: thus therefore what are we talkin aboot.

04:43:53 BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything. << Apparently the next .1 iteration of Crystal Space seeks to abolish the cs-toolkit dependency. In the interim I'll chop, maybe finally lean diff, and just perhaps make actual patches to shit.

04:44:07 BingoBoingo: Or wait for an emacs client

04:44:19 mircea_popescu: or just do what i do and run a random box for the purpose.

04:45:03 BingoBoingo: there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se. << There was indeed http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/139018852/ufc-dana-white-firing-jacob-duran-twitter-rant

04:45:05 assbot: The UFC's Dana White is stuck in a PR quagmire. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQZMU5 )

04:45:27 mircea_popescu: ftr : dana is a common female name in romania

04:45:32 asciilifeform: in usa too

04:45:35 mircea_popescu: i have serious issues taking people named dana seriously.

04:45:43 asciilifeform: one of my uni profs, a grey old man, was named that

04:45:52 asciilifeform: wrote a spiffy poker bot

04:46:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Boxes are scarce, CPU's are scarce. Imma trying to make St Clair county my bitch while making sure all my computing fits on back for extended periods of time.

04:46:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's a "cutman"

04:46:43 BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo what's a "cutman" << Stops the bleeding in between rounds.

04:47:03 BingoBoingo: Cutman is the only reason fights of interesting length happen

04:47:05 mircea_popescu: "It was just the latest in a string of calloused comments made by UFC's head honcho -- far from the diplomatic dialogue expected of the largest mixed martial arts organization"

04:47:08 mircea_popescu: i'm sorry... what ?!

04:47:15 mircea_popescu: expected ? by whom ? why ?

04:47:25 BingoBoingo: By Dana.

04:47:29 mircea_popescu: i do not expect the head of a headbashing federation to be "diplomatic", whatever that weans

04:47:39 mircea_popescu: i certainly don't expect the libertard definition of diplomatic to apply.

04:47:44 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these twerps already.

04:47:50 BingoBoingo: Everything?

04:48:03 mircea_popescu: then they have the gall to mock catholocs for being so-and-so.

04:48:08 mircea_popescu: libertards, worst cult ever.

04:48:35 BingoBoingo: My understanding is this UFC promotion killed the one way for its participants to get side-money at market rates.

04:48:45 mircea_popescu: "It was an expansive decision on the UFC's part, as the promotion claimed its main interest was to legitimize the sport by removing the tacky, albeit characteristic, fight gear that had become an emblem of the polarizing sport"

04:48:47 mircea_popescu: motherfucker. WHAT ?!

04:49:15 mircea_popescu: "The deal was reported to be worth $70 million over six years."

04:49:18 mircea_popescu: bad fucking deal.

04:49:25 mircea_popescu: they should have held out for 55 billion.

04:49:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ?

04:49:54 BingoBoingo: Or 5 Billion

04:49:59 mircea_popescu: According to the released figures, a combatant with less than five fights in the UFC will make $2,500 in sponsorship money per fight

04:50:01 mircea_popescu: ahaha WHAT!!!

04:50:10 mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, they pay bums to streetfight more

04:50:20 BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ? << They have only recently advanced to insuring "prospects" but stock will come

04:50:25 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ?

04:50:35 asciilifeform: sounds appealing

04:50:39 mircea_popescu: be a star! make money! better career than gavin's!

04:50:40 BingoBoingo: hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ? << I would

04:50:40 asciilifeform: right now its phree

04:50:50 mircea_popescu: this is what you casually forget, when you keep thinking everyone else's doing so much better than you.

04:51:00 mircea_popescu: you neglect to consider that for most people we discuss, this would be a step up.

04:51:06 mats: ;;tslb

04:51:25 gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 25 seconds

04:51:29 mircea_popescu: gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get.

04:51:35 hanbot: say asciilifeform, can this line from rotor step 6) be devague-ified? "and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before."

04:51:46 mircea_popescu: because it's easier to play the clown, and A LOT more hitchhiker hos line up for it.

04:51:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that it wouldn't be a step up for me! just think, instead of showing up to the office for a week, just one, just one punch in the head

04:52:02 mircea_popescu: mno. five separate sets of punches in head.

04:52:03 *: BingoBoingo would happily take 2.5 kilodollars to get beat provided a referee exists to call stoppage for tko. USD have been scarce here since misdemeanor thing started

04:52:11 mircea_popescu: after which you maybe get promoited to... 3,5k!

04:52:36 asciilifeform: hanbot: it means that the stator has to be set up in the same way as for classic stator - there is a 'distfiles' dir, the one with MANIFEST, that needs to have the tarballs placed therein

04:52:40 BingoBoingo: Who knows, head may feel better afterwards, would take offer.

04:53:56 asciilifeform: hanbot: you will have a dir, outermost, named what you like - e.g., 'rotor', and then rotor/toolchain and rotor/buildroot-xxx and rotor/stator, inside the latter - quite the same thing as in normal stator, other than the musl patch and the rotor.sh script (replacing the old stator.sh)

04:55:06 asciilifeform: hanbot: the basic idea of 'rotor' is that you have quite the same stator as before, but it is built with a toolchain (gcc and binutils) that were built for the occasion, and use musl

04:55:18 asciilifeform: (optionally)

04:55:50 mircea_popescu: inothernews.jpg, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e4728fd0584907d249ac273bd8804e72/tumblr_mxwqiiUIZj1t6c11vo1_1280.jpg

04:55:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2qar )

04:55:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66234 @ 0.00051858 = 34.3476 BTC [-]

04:56:05 mircea_popescu: set with http://41.media.tumblr.com/31858a4e9acc69cc6fe429ed843eafbb/tumblr_mxwqiiUIZj1t6c11vo2_1280.jpg

04:56:26 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216196 << gotta understand, the thing i envy gavin and the boxer is the same thing - not-having-to-work+sleep-ad-libitum

04:56:26 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:51:29; mircea_popescu: gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get.

04:56:42 asciilifeform: the lilies of the field, they toil not (tm) (r)

04:56:48 mircea_popescu: yawell.

04:56:53 mircea_popescu: i think the boxers sleep plenty lol.

04:56:57 mircea_popescu: *bang*

04:56:59 mircea_popescu: /snooze

04:57:26 hanbot: asciilifeform aha i see. ty!

04:57:57 asciilifeform: hanbot: i'm still trying to think of some way in which building that thing could possibly be easier !

04:58:09 asciilifeform: even now it's 95% automagic

04:58:36 BingoBoingo: Other side effect of recent UFC hullabaloo is fighters no longer get to wear distinctive attire into the ring.

04:59:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seems drastically stupid

04:59:25 BingoBoingo: Built a brand on neon trunks covered in skulls, but Reebock doesn't think they can market it? FU

04:59:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: know that i think about 'sleep ad libitum' all day, every day, of the year. like thirsty man in desert.

04:59:36 mircea_popescu: just drop this "federation" or w/e it's called, start a new one. who gives a shit

04:59:40 mircea_popescu: who asked "ufc" anything.

04:59:50 BingoBoingo: Likely to happen

05:00:08 mircea_popescu: "oh you made it popular ? fuck you. you got no moat, drop dead".

05:00:23 BingoBoingo: Tis the way the world works

05:00:24 mircea_popescu: like shit did "ufc" make dudes beating each other popular.

05:00:25 mircea_popescu: what's next.

05:01:02 BingoBoingo: what's next. << Polish Americans without Asiatic features?

05:02:03 phf: gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful

05:02:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215645 << honestly, i occasionally buy their coffee here. the argentines are retarded enough that starbucks is practically the only retailer of non-american coffee.

05:02:32 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:53:50; nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit

05:02:36 BingoBoingo: gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful << USeful enough for its particular role in the proscribed contest

05:02:39 mircea_popescu: they grind it on the spot, too

05:03:04 asciilifeform: all starbucks grinds on the spot

05:03:07 asciilifeform: machine does it

05:03:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some shops here sell already ground coffee.

05:03:27 asciilifeform: lol!!

05:03:30 mircea_popescu: which is weird, but who am i to argue with the smartest people in the world.

05:03:36 BingoBoingo: In oher news http://philippinefailblog.com/signs/

05:03:38 assbot: Signs Of Erection | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR0d0I )

05:03:38 mircea_popescu: which live in a country that's not pobre.

05:04:28 hanbot: asciilifeform well fo' sho' when describing steps, be explicit about antecedents, i'll pay off the department of redundancy police department.

05:05:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215655 << the actual thing hurts.

05:05:15 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:56:14; asciilifeform: i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ?

05:05:39 asciilifeform: hanbot: the stator in question is precisely the customary stator (with the patches of your choice) but for the patch in 14-1 and the script 14-2 and 14-3 in place of the usual stator.sh and stator_bitcoin_only...

05:06:13 asciilifeform: also the dependency on 'realpath' is abolished.

05:06:26 hanbot: cool deal

05:06:27 asciilifeform: (read rotor.sh, it becomes very clear)

05:06:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215670 << joke's on you for giving her an hour's space, seriously. what happened to the good old water squirting flower and buzzer handshake.

05:06:33 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:58:45; nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her

05:06:46 asciilifeform: ~50 line.

05:08:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pray tell, how does, e.g., genuine coffee, hurt ?

05:08:45 mircea_popescu: you know that feeling you get when something happens ?

05:08:49 asciilifeform: i can see the case for armchair war vs genuine war, etc

05:08:52 asciilifeform: but coffee ?

05:09:14 asciilifeform: ... something happens ??

05:09:48 mircea_popescu: yes. like, if you put a dab of icecream on your tongue, or if you open a creaky door, or if you catch a hare running off in the bushline

05:09:57 asciilifeform: aha

05:09:59 mircea_popescu: that.

05:10:14 asciilifeform: but those things are why people live !

05:10:17 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215399 << tis an exceptionally comely pic of ms. silverman. most of the time she looks like it's laundry day.

05:10:17 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:32:56; trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women

05:10:20 mircea_popescu: well, some people, yes.

05:10:40 asciilifeform: and others live for what? cocain ?

05:10:40 pete_dushenski: re: http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/silverman2.jpg

05:10:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2TJG )

05:10:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's cocaine. and no, others live for bland.

05:11:18 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: very pretty, but why the face?

05:11:22 asciilifeform: hedgehog up her arse ?

05:11:28 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i dunno, she looks like this clever smart pleasant chick i wouldnt fuck in hs because no accoutrements and too hairy.

05:11:53 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's all part of the intrigue and mystery.

05:12:03 asciilifeform: also why are her hands 70 y.o. ?

05:12:03 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the dark hair is, yes, less than ideal.

05:12:09 asciilifeform: transplanted from old man ?

05:12:24 pete_dushenski: lol

05:12:45 pete_dushenski: i dunno, her hands look fit for purpose to me.

05:12:57 asciilifeform: also if she bends any more, her midsection could snap

05:13:02 asciilifeform: like: twig.

05:13:34 asciilifeform: who is this gurl anyway

05:13:40 asciilifeform: journalist?

05:13:47 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un-s2NbRBOY << one of her better bits

05:13:48 assbot: Sarah Silverman's The Aristocrats - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2ZAQ )

05:13:50 *: asciilifeform tries to recall thread

05:13:55 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'comedian'

05:13:58 asciilifeform: ah

05:14:13 *: asciilifeform goes off to bed where he belongs

05:14:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: She is profesional weed toker exploiter

05:14:45 pete_dushenski: silverman's 'the aristrocrats' is second only to bob saget's

05:14:49 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HW4mPZmKPM << saget.

05:14:50 assbot: Bob Saget - The Aristocrats (complete) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2ZRu )

05:15:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "comedian", shtick mostly consisting of doing the tramp thing

05:15:32 mircea_popescu: or how do you call it in american, ball busting ?

05:16:03 BingoBoingo: yeah

05:16:35 mircea_popescu: which is on some level funny, considering she looks like a 13yo boy escaped from a siberian orphanage, but anyway.

05:18:36 BingoBoingo: Sure, but who will be laughing when Siberia fills with geothermal powered ASICs cooled by geography

05:20:45 mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt

05:20:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU3gE2 )

05:20:47 deedbot-: accepted: 1

05:29:53 mircea_popescu: mats prolly should put on T too

05:30:35 mats: once this goes through, i'll be updating the comments with a new revision

05:30:41 mircea_popescu: kk

05:32:03 pete_dushenski: "Twitter Inc's shares fell more than 11 percent in extended trade on Tuesday after the microblogging company said its number of monthly average users grew at the slowest pace since it went public in 2013."

05:32:10 pete_dushenski: "Twitter said it had 304 million core users in the second quarter, up from 302 million in the prior quarter."

05:32:37 pete_dushenski: of those two million, how many were bots, one wonders.

05:33:10 pete_dushenski: or hey, mebbe 30 mn people left and 32 mn bots were added in last 3 months.

05:33:31 mircea_popescu: moreover, what the fuck does the "market" expect. what growth on 302 mn ?

05:33:36 mircea_popescu: there's barely that many people online.

05:33:37 pete_dushenski: "Total revenue rose 61 percent to $502.4 million."

05:33:45 pete_dushenski: "The company's net loss narrowed to $136.7 million, or 21 cents per share,"

05:33:47 mircea_popescu: yeah and operating loss rose 62% ?

05:33:55 pete_dushenski: still bleeding from the butt.

05:33:58 mircea_popescu: closest to green they ever get.

05:34:21 mircea_popescu: "i got a business idea that allows me to get 302 people vaguely interested while i lose 25 cents to the dollar!!1"

05:34:27 pete_dushenski: and unless they figure out how to squeeze juice from rocks, this may be the closes they ever get.

05:34:42 pete_dushenski: closest*

05:35:15 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well 302 would be bad enough, 302 mn really makes you wonder wtf is the matter with the 'business people'

05:36:21 pete_dushenski: "mebbe if we monetise the billion cell phone users in africa at $0.01 and somehow spend less than that, we'll be scrooge mcduck rich!"

05:36:37 mircea_popescu: basically, "paying 302mn people half a dollar each to derp on our site".

05:37:13 pete_dushenski: each of which, in return, pays every last penny of their spare attention.

05:37:13 mircea_popescu: if you live in the world where a click "is worth" 50 cents or whatever inane bs adwords experts powerpoint back and forth, i imagine it's a great deal.

05:37:53 mircea_popescu: i'd rather buy the uht / utf / whatever the fuck fighting thing was called from earlier

05:37:55 mircea_popescu: than twitter.

05:38:18 pete_dushenski: "Excluding items, Twitter earned 7 cents per share." << where 'items' are 'costs'. but who wants to make a big fuss about those ?

05:38:33 mircea_popescu: the former's not worth the 70 mn either, can have 500 muscle dudes for a lot less than 140k a head.

05:41:08 BingoBoingo: I haven't seen a source yet, but apparently rumours are Twitter hired that Randi Harper chick that Yahoo fired for meth...

05:41:18 mircea_popescu: aww

05:41:27 pete_dushenski: "In the latest turn in the scandal, known as "Deflategate," Goodell said he affirmed the suspension in part because of the new revelation that Brady made "a deliberate effort" to keep investigators from reading text messages stored on the device." << sports leagues own their player's texts/sexts nao ?

05:41:38 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: NFL does

05:41:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21530 @ 0.00052512 = 11.3058 BTC [+]

05:42:18 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: NFL unlike UFC has a history of established heirarchy this way.

05:42:54 BingoBoingo: Happens which each team has half of a hundred people on the competative roster

05:43:01 hanbot: asciilifeform / ml folks: from where is one supposed to get the items in "manifest"? eg openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz

05:43:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215715 << not always. plenty of roasted beans shipped out of costa rica guatemala etc

05:43:22 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:08:09; nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination

05:44:53 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, those nfl teams are enormous, which ties into my earlier comment about that new coach chica having a better shot in american football than anywhere else

05:45:38 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Right. NFL coaches very often never played at NFL level because... head trauma slims that pool.

05:45:43 phf: hanbot: upstream. there's mod6's early state of bitcoin posts that have urls/shasums

05:46:14 hanbot: phf i just realized, heh. thx.

05:46:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215777 << lmao cemeterynada.

05:46:24 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:16:12; ben_vulpes: it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak

05:46:46 BingoBoingo: TwoDogGrave

05:47:02 mircea_popescu: lmao twodogegu

05:47:18 mircea_popescu: finally found a namer for nubbins`'s `.

05:47:23 phf: hanbot: you want message-id CADy547peeZfDJqnuQcq606tEJ_k_nmtBCFe7AYu4UaiOnd9hZQ@mail.gmail.com, UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: A Guide

05:48:23 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I have my doubts baseball will get a female coach anytime soon. Almost all of the coachins stafff is there to go mechanics, and there are skeletal differences. Also every now and then in baseball benches clear to the point managers trade blows

05:48:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215805 << how the fuck is it that libertards always end up with "forced participation" as a solution ?

05:48:34 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:19:45; BingoBoingo: lol, not enough "GreeK" crises http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/07/los_angeles_and_boston_olympic_bids_we_should_force_cities_to_participate.html

05:48:44 BingoBoingo: Female umpire is perfectly immaginable though

05:48:45 mircea_popescu: oh, "co-ops" don't work because uneconomical ? THEY SHOULD BE MANDATORY

05:48:58 mircea_popescu: oh, our normative ideas about gender dynamics are bs ? SHOULD BE FORCED!!1

05:49:10 mircea_popescu: hey, people laugh at our notions of "earth sciences" ? BUILD CONSENSUS

05:49:14 hanbot: phf perfect

05:49:29 mircea_popescu: whatever happens they always turn around to forced participation, it's like the baseline of libertard.

05:49:30 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, i could totally see that too

05:51:06 mircea_popescu: even fucking obamacare is ultimately the same "our shit dun work make it mandatory" nonsense.

05:51:14 mircea_popescu: im sure it'll work better then, dork.

05:53:06 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Now female general manager could happen in baseball.

05:53:23 BingoBoingo: That seems inevitable actually

05:53:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, props to slate for managing to repackage the "us can't afford to host olympics, unlike both china and russia, because it sucks" into some sort of "do not want" because "notgood".

05:53:49 mircea_popescu: im sure it's not the us, it's the olympics.

05:55:49 BingoBoingo: It's probably both. I mean 2004 olympics didn't kill greece on its own, but was a symptom.

05:57:05 BingoBoingo: Also apparently BIP66 is being credited with solving a consensus bug... even though it caused consesnsus splits http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-July/009697.html

05:57:06 assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Disclosure: consensus bug indirectly solved by BIP66 ... ( http://bit.ly/1H0TrPr )

05:57:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215822 << you live in the wrong country for any sort of that.

05:57:15 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:26:16; *: asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans

05:57:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao idiots.

05:58:15 mircea_popescu: for one thing, that "vulnerability" had been well known, discussed in public here even, for long before the bip derpage.

05:58:21 mircea_popescu: but hey, "it was disclosed".

05:59:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215851 << no it's not dude. just because you saw the ~0.6% of this town i chose to show you doth not mean it's uniformly this you know.

05:59:34 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:31:00; asciilifeform: it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires

05:59:49 mircea_popescu: most locals can't even aford to live here.

06:00:20 BingoBoingo: Bonus Earth Science: Freshwater Bass are not giant mercury reservoirs, http://www.bnd.com/news/article29265391.html

06:00:21 assbot: Immigrants, poor fish for their dinner, unaware of mercury | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrgW9R )

06:01:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51745 @ 0.00054028 = 27.9568 BTC [+] {3}

06:03:40 mircea_popescu: in same old news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/3a55e8b404a3767e0c5f74e66c0f7844/tumblr_mywjdgyIPh1sekvhwo1_250.gif

06:03:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Irh6Og )

06:04:16 mircea_popescu: people usually lol at the ridiculous movie depiction of gunfire, but few notice the ridiculousness of gags.

06:04:33 mircea_popescu: seriously, you put a towel over her mouth and she's now silent 4ever ? wd!

06:04:48 mircea_popescu: actual gagging requires inflatable rubber thing.

06:09:02 BingoBoingo: Sure, just how like actual sex requires genitals, unlike in Hollywood

06:18:36 BingoBoingo: !up liquidassets

06:23:25 BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve

06:29:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00054588 = 34.0629 BTC [+]

06:29:53 BingoBoingo: How to absolutely ruin a *nix install, nth edition https://archive.is/8U5zJ

06:29:54 assbot: Lifehacker Pack for Linux: Our List of the Essential Linux Apps ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONTSmy )

06:36:10 pete_dushenski: libreoffice and gimp are fine. the rest can be done without.

06:41:19 BingoBoingo: Even LibreOffice is a bit much post-graduation

06:50:41 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker -market all

06:50:41 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

06:50:53 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

06:51:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 289.0, vol: 9252.62771331 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 285.0, vol: 4616.63134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 291.03, vol: 14552.60292135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.99, vol: 3.2732026 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 289.006956, vol: 19109.25090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 290.68245, vol: 64.55273284 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 298.187999989, vol: 82.31997186 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

06:55:26 *: BingoBoingo glad "runs bitcoin" has overtaken "runs dopewars" as the measure of a decent *nix

06:57:34 pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/3V9A2Z3.txt << for mod6, others who care to help troubleshoot 0.5.4-TEST1 on debian 7 x86 minimal

06:57:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIZ7Fc )

06:58:20 pete_dushenski: seems to be an issue with boost or gcc, but i'm not too sure.

06:59:18 pete_dushenski: anyone who's so kind as to offer me assistance, please speak slowly and carefully, as if you were talking to a 10-year-old version of yourself

07:07:01 pete_dushenski: ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary)

07:07:11 punkman: pete_dushenski: did you put anything in distfiles/ ?

07:07:23 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Which component wants you to use "jam" instead of "make"

07:07:40 pete_dushenski: punkman: hm no ?

07:08:01 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: also a good q. not sure.

07:08:22 jurov: fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory << seems like original cause

07:08:59 punkman: oic, that stator.sh downloades the distfiles

07:09:24 punkman: do you have realpath?

07:09:27 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Also if you were choosing one shit movie this year... prolly should have chose "Pixels" over "Spy"

07:09:38 jurov: try investigationg boost configure script, if it has libbz2 option and try disabling it

07:10:05 pete_dushenski: punkman: i do now. trying again.

07:10:18 punkman: realpath's getting old :/

07:11:34 pete_dushenski: cd /libs/config/

07:11:41 pete_dushenski: lolk...

07:12:25 pete_dushenski: wtf are there '<' and '>' around 'boost-root ?

07:14:18 punkman: dpaste it again?

07:15:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73253 @ 0.00051858 = 37.9875 BTC [-]

07:21:43 pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/2KY4W7G.txt << with realpath

07:21:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJ2EmR )

07:22:21 pete_dushenski: 'undefined reference to `deflateInit_' '

07:22:31 pete_dushenski: collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status

07:22:31 pete_dushenski: make: *** [bitcoind] Error 1

07:22:32 pete_dushenski: strip: 'bitcoind': No such file

07:23:01 pete_dushenski: next step : look into boost as per jurov's suggestion

07:23:14 BingoBoingo: JFK Shot First

07:23:39 punkman: pete_dushenski: check distfiles for a boost .tar.bz2

07:25:02 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i heard pixel was pretty awful. though 'trainwreck' is supposed to be worth a laugh or two. i'd see it just for 'cheapskate' lebron james lol

07:25:15 punkman: because running the command that downloads boost in stator.sh gives me an html file

07:26:01 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It got a lot of damning praise, but so far I've made it past the first 15 minutes. Furhter than I made it waith Spy and Spy was not a cam rip.

07:27:04 pete_dushenski: punkman: this, i will look in to.

07:37:33 Adlai: !t m s.mpoe

07:37:33 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00051858 / 0.00053618 / 0.00054996 (990832 shares, 531.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00050102 / 0.00053967 / 0.00059791 (25493380 shares, 13,758.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0003933 / 0.00053439 / 0.00060248 (103682847 shares, 55,407.26 BTC)

07:39:12 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: This flick also features SIGINT ineptness

07:39:39 pete_dushenski: how so ?

07:40:11 pete_dushenski: not that this should be in any way surprising. it's a usg feature after all.

07:40:20 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: They missed alien messages in Satellite TV shows

07:41:33 pete_dushenski: alrighty then.

07:41:43 pete_dushenski: well my eyes are done for the evening

07:41:56 pete_dushenski: so with that i bid ye all adieu

08:27:59 jurov: https://anvaka.github.io/pm/#/ alf prolly wanted this... but not suitable for wall poster, unless it'll be holographic

08:27:59 assbot: Code Galaxies Visualization ... ( http://bit.ly/1OB8yVx )

08:36:50 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski probably also takes the award for best film credits of the year

08:36:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:13:35 BingoBoingo: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6057734.stm

09:13:36 assbot: BBC NEWS | UK | Human species 'may split in two' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Irr9mJ )

09:29:03 Adlai: !s operandus

09:29:03 assbot: 2 results for 'operandus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=operandus

09:35:02 BingoBoingo: !s dependopatamus

09:35:03 assbot: 1 results for 'dependopatamus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dependopatamus

09:45:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00051631 = 14.7923 BTC [-]

09:56:38 BingoBoingo: See also http://terminallance.com/2015/06/26/terminal-lance-the-curse-of-the-dependapotamus-gay-marriage/

09:56:40 assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance “The Curse of the Dependapotamus: Gay Marriage” ... ( http://bit.ly/1U643Gd )

10:07:49 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How is Africa's foreskin treating you nowadays?

10:08:05 fluffypony: it's the bomb

10:15:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00051523 = 22.902 BTC [-]

10:23:14 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I thought your foreskin surrendered the bomb when DeClerk gave it to Israel

10:23:28 fluffypony: lol

10:25:37 BingoBoingo: http://terminallance.com/2015/04/03/terminal-lance-happy-easter/

10:25:38 assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance “Happy Easter!” ... ( http://bit.ly/1U67IDI )

10:44:01 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216389 <<< aka how to load your *nix box with as many shitty apps to make it feel like winblowz as possible.

10:44:01 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 06:29:53; BingoBoingo: How to absolutely ruin a *nix install, nth edition https://archive.is/8U5zJ

11:05:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58298 @ 0.00052262 = 30.4677 BTC [+] {5}

11:43:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53352 @ 0.00054982 = 29.334 BTC [+]

12:28:31 jurov: http://whitehouse.org/ gone

12:28:33 assbot: Heroku | No such app ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky3tPG )

12:28:51 jurov: wd mircea_popescu

12:32:05 mats: lol

12:35:00 mats: trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216102 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216301 appear to have gotten stuck

12:35:00 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:13:52; mats: deedbot-: dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt

12:35:00 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 05:20:45; mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt

13:05:32 shinohai: np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3exljh/how_can_i_get_bitcoins_im_14_and_my_parents_dont/ <<<

13:14:40 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Matthias_Schmidt ; )

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13:15:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws )

13:15:16 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; )

13:15:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws )

13:15:18 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=459561500779 (Marco Hien ; )

13:15:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws )

13:15:20 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Marco Hien ; )

13:15:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws )

13:15:22 asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can you please fix ^ ? ty

13:15:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:15:22 asciilifeform: that bot ought to have some notion of history

13:15:45 asciilifeform: we discussed this! there is no reason for one of these links to ever appear twice.

13:15:59 shinohai: So thats what happened to all my pot brownies.

13:22:26 mircea_popescu: hory shit look at all the damage ddosing fraudsters hath wrought!!11

13:22:47 mircea_popescu: it's like... my lyf has no meaning nao halp halp

13:23:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216398 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216402 << if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc)

13:23:41 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 06:57:34; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/3V9A2Z3.txt << for mod6, others who care to help troubleshoot 0.5.4-TEST1 on debian 7 x86 minimal

13:23:41 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 07:07:01; pete_dushenski: ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary)

13:23:51 mircea_popescu: ohai

13:24:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu!

13:24:08 mircea_popescu: in the flesh!

13:24:16 mircea_popescu: who died ?

13:24:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: have you a working 'rotor' ?

13:24:55 mircea_popescu: on a test box so far.

13:25:16 asciilifeform: neato

13:27:46 mircea_popescu: in otter news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f9de9761c0ba43c95441b7756f2b2b6e/tumblr_n3q8f06C9j1t0jb24o1_1280.jpg

13:27:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrH7NC )

13:28:09 mircea_popescu: they only had one chain and one pair of shoes in the wardrobe... so they made do.

13:28:14 asciilifeform: and only one face

13:28:43 mircea_popescu: faces come from the fardrobe. very poorly supplied, especialyl for young women.

13:28:51 asciilifeform: apparently!

13:29:13 *: asciilifeform has always found this interesting

13:29:30 mircea_popescu: re earlier thread, this is the whole root if not the whole extension of "common human experience" : the indignity of childbirth and the precariousness of pretense.

13:29:40 mircea_popescu: both fundamentally female experiences.

13:30:05 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216441 << what does this display on ?

13:30:05 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 08:27:59; jurov: https://anvaka.github.io/pm/#/ alf prolly wanted this... but not suitable for wall poster, unless it'll be holographic

13:30:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:30:18 asciilifeform: i can't find a browser that eats it

13:30:22 jurov: phirephox

13:30:26 asciilifeform: hm.

13:31:24 mircea_popescu: o look, it's a guy from new york!1

13:31:50 mike_c: Good morning

13:31:59 mircea_popescu: how's the smog today ?

13:32:11 mike_c: smog is bearable, heat and humidity are not.

13:32:28 *: mircea_popescu looks out... 17 celsius... coolish breeze... mmmkay.

13:32:51 mike_c: ;;calc (17 * 9 /5) + 32

13:32:51 gribble: 62.6

13:32:57 mike_c: ooh, that sounds nice

13:32:57 mircea_popescu: that's right.

13:33:15 asciilifeform: room temp

13:33:18 asciilifeform: year-round...

13:33:22 mircea_popescu: nah room temp is more like 20-21

13:33:28 mircea_popescu: depends how many naked womenz.

13:33:37 asciilifeform: machine room temp.

13:33:41 mircea_popescu: deffo.

13:34:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this has been a very bitter and cold winter. imagine, some of the sheargentinians actually had to wear pants!

13:34:31 asciilifeform: l0l!!

13:34:33 mircea_popescu: instead of those cunt displaycase stocking things

13:34:48 mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally - they call "tenias". which is everywhere else ... an intestinal parasite)

13:35:19 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://digitalmoneytimes.com/crypto-news/bitcoin-mmorpg-eulora-potential-needs-ton-work/

13:35:21 assbot: Bitcoin MMORPG Eulora Has Potential But Needs A Ton of Work - Digital Money Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrHIyK )

13:35:27 mircea_popescu: gotta love the research these people do.

13:35:53 mike_c: look what happened to me last week: https://unsee.cc/bitanuse/

13:35:55 assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrHN5E )

13:35:57 mircea_popescu: "it remains a bit unclear as to how many people are actually working on this project. Or to be more precise, it is unclear whether or not anyone is still developing Eulora at all."

13:36:13 asciilifeform: l0lwat, does that thing really need ms-vs to build ?!

13:36:29 asciilifeform: or fiction like rest of the article

13:37:19 mircea_popescu: mike_c somehow doesn't load anything for meh.

13:37:42 mike_c: ah, likely some unsee JS magic. anyhoo, it was a pic of my new baby girl.

13:37:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you want to build it you need a ricketty pile of bs. not sure if actually msvs or what.

13:37:50 asciilifeform: congrats mike_c

13:37:52 mircea_popescu: but jurov made some binaries

13:37:56 mike_c: thanks!

13:37:57 mircea_popescu: mike_c ooo grats!

13:38:01 asciilifeform: mike_c: how many children you have now ?

13:38:06 mircea_popescu: 3 ?

13:38:11 mike_c: boy and a girl, and we're done.

13:38:43 mircea_popescu: oh that's right, girly was coming. well... congrats on passing the bar of reproducing yourselves!

13:38:49 mircea_popescu: plenty of folks here behind on that score.

13:38:59 mike_c: we've done our part for the species.

13:39:40 mircea_popescu: whatcha gonna call her ?

13:40:16 mike_c: Elizabeth

13:40:21 mircea_popescu: o hey.

13:41:04 *: mircea_popescu always thought sane names were underrated, happy to see them making a comeback.

13:41:21 mike_c: Yeah, I am a big proponent.

13:42:16 mike_c: that eulora blog post.. to leave a reply you have to be logged in - to his blog. It takes you to /wp-login/

13:42:26 mircea_popescu: this is actually how wp handles it.

13:42:34 mike_c: nice

13:42:43 mircea_popescu: you log in to comment same place admin logs in to admin

13:42:53 mircea_popescu: tons of holes in vanilla throughout its sad decade of history, too.

13:43:58 mircea_popescu: 07:09:24 punkman: do you have realpath? << i think we'll end up with this in the topic lmao.

13:45:16 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thestringpuller yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ?

13:45:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:47:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216452 << bwahaha ok that's lol

13:47:21 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 09:56:38; BingoBoingo: See also http://terminallance.com/2015/06/26/terminal-lance-the-curse-of-the-dependapotamus-gay-marriage/

13:53:51 mircea_popescu: from the "nice gear makes bad tits stand out even more" department, http://41.media.tumblr.com/858fd95e1a5649c31e4d2b9c1363c615/tumblr_n42ec42zSD1s38z3ao1_1280.jpg

13:53:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrJcJu )

13:55:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216467 << aww.

13:55:25 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 12:28:51; jurov: wd mircea_popescu

13:55:46 mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing!

13:55:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:55:48 mircea_popescu: ;;isup archive.is

13:55:49 gribble: archive.is is up

13:56:09 punkman: mod6, see also my next comment

13:56:13 mircea_popescu: oddly enough i can't get it. perhaps im banned ?!

13:56:40 punkman: curling the sourceforge URL gives me HTML. wget works though.

13:56:49 mircea_popescu: PING archive.is ( 56(84) bytes of data. 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3003ms

13:56:54 mircea_popescu: newone sees it ?

13:57:22 mircea_popescu: (don't mind the 3ms ^C precision - i've yet to make a ping printout do two digit microsecond delays)

13:58:24 kakobrekla: my dns resolves archive.is to instead

13:58:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216487 << srsly lobbes, that stuff's no good. people end up having to drop coins in the jar for that sorta thing.

13:58:28 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:22; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can you please fix ^ ? ty

13:58:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ah!

13:59:05 mircea_popescu: apparently they moved.

13:59:13 kakobrekla: linode now

13:59:14 mircea_popescu: stale local cache. thanks.

14:00:04 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Bundle works for me swimmingly, Debian 7 & 8 + Ubuntu 14.04 (already had packages installed) .

14:00:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:00:54 mircea_popescu: and now ima go for a walk. i leave you with http://33.media.tumblr.com/11baabac4d090a22008581a172034056/tumblr_n2hg0xowcY1sqrvkvo1_400.gif

14:00:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eA35lo )

14:01:24 mod6: asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'?

14:04:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180847 @ 0.00052491 = 94.9284 BTC [-]

14:12:02 mod6: having a fully deterministic everything is where we want to be. but I can't even get it to build yet myself. imho; we've got quite some time/work ahead of us on that.

14:13:55 shinohai: I have yet to build successfully on gentoo, BSD, and arm. gentoo because I don't have a system up yet, arm because I'm a retard when it comes to cross-compiling.

14:24:00 mike_c: mod6: any reason not to put your mining maps on the wiki? They look awesome btw.

14:24:12 mike_c: meaning on the wiki, as opposed to link to your site

14:29:06 mod6: thx. mainly as I'm kinda still sorta updating 'em, it's easier to update 'em on my side then to push 'em into the wiki every time.

14:29:28 mod6: but eventually, im sure they'll live/reside in the wiki itself.

14:30:50 mike_c: got it, makes sense.

14:33:39 mod6: congrats btw mike_c :]

14:34:40 mike_c: thanks :)

14:35:05 kakobrekla: aha yes congratulations, im sure you will be around even less now

14:36:11 mike_c: I think I actually joined this channel a few months after my first kid was born.

14:36:51 kakobrekla: color me surprised

14:37:11 mike_c: Gotta make sure I leave them something better than USD :)

14:37:53 kakobrekla: is that the excuse you use on your wife? :D

14:39:59 mike_c: She is amused by my "bitcoin friends"

14:47:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130450 @ 0.00051701 = 67.444 BTC [-] {5}

14:55:23 pete_dushenski: mod6: didja catch my realpath test ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216419

14:55:23 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 07:21:43; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/2KY4W7G.txt << with realpath

15:03:32 mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/02NFS08.txt

15:03:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1I96xMd )

15:03:35 deedbot-: accepted: 1

15:05:51 mod6: hi pete_dushenski: yeah, did you see my last comment to you?

15:06:28 pete_dushenski: missed it

15:06:42 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216494 << finally looking at 'rotor' now

15:06:42 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:23:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216398 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216402 << if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc)

15:07:27 mod6: tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing!

15:08:03 mod6: so feel free to blow way all the build directories etc.

15:08:23 mod6: start over 100% since now you hvae realpath installed.

15:08:36 pete_dushenski: aha. i misunderstood the 'start from scratch' element. gotcha

15:08:43 mod6: np. gl.

15:09:00 pete_dushenski: cheers :)

15:09:09 mod6: i looked like to me that maybe something worked well after realpath was installed with boost, but maybe something didn't get copied over correctly with openssl.

15:09:14 mod6: *it

15:09:35 mod6: so better to start fresh and see. only takes a few minutes anyway.

15:30:23 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/CGfEWWT.png

15:30:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRpqrG )

15:30:33 pete_dushenski: mike_c: mazel tov !

15:31:02 mike_c: thanks :)

15:32:44 pete_dushenski: you're leading the way for ben and i here :D

15:33:21 mike_c: when are you due?

15:33:31 pete_dushenski: 3 weeks

15:33:38 mike_c: Ah, good luck

15:34:15 pete_dushenski: mhm. luck will be needed for when the biological instincts fall flat !

15:34:59 mike_c: It's pretty easy, when it cries change its diaper and feed it.

15:35:05 shinohai: Congrats to the new father, and also to the fathers-to-be!

15:35:31 *: shinohai likes children but values his sanity.

15:35:54 pete_dushenski: mike_c: that's pretty much what i'm expecting

15:36:04 pete_dushenski: shinohai: cheers :)

15:38:43 pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/1AZSPAF.txt << mod6

15:38:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHsvyo )

15:40:24 mod6: hmmm

15:40:32 mod6: are you compiling as yourself or root?

15:40:53 pete_dushenski: myself

15:41:19 mod6: well, thanks for giving it a try. not sure what's going on there atm.

15:41:55 pete_dushenski: np. always happy to play the tragic figure.

15:44:17 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

15:45:38 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216599 << release is of source, rather than binary, so not sure how much of a difference it makes for the release. but it'd be nice if folks were bashing their heads agains the wall to build rotor - a fully de-drepperized bitcoin - than the old stator, imho

15:45:38 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 14:01:24; mod6: asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'?

15:46:19 ascii_field: and i'm still waiting to learn what was actually going on

15:46:23 ascii_field: shinohai built his, for example

15:46:29 mod6: isn't rotor just 'old-stator' (from a few months ago) + buildroot & openssl patch?

15:46:48 ascii_field: mod6: it uses buildroot to generate a gcc and binutils clean of glibc

15:46:53 mod6: i ran into the the same problem as trinque with mine. and you told him 'get a computer'

15:46:57 ascii_field: and builds stator with it

15:47:42 ascii_field: mod6: were you able to build the toolchain ?

15:47:44 mod6: i built mine on a gentoo/nomultilib/glibc x86-64 host

15:47:47 mod6: yes.

15:47:50 mod6: well, plausibly.

15:47:55 ascii_field: can you compile a 'hello world' with it ?

15:48:00 mod6: my build failed during the BDB build

15:48:06 ascii_field: (use the envir vars set in rotor.sh)

15:48:35 mod6: other than basically trying it out that one time, i've been pretty hammered with other stuff to finish before month end.

15:48:40 ascii_field: mod6: your bdb and other tarballs in distfiles match the checksums in MANIFEST ?

15:48:42 mod6: wont really revisit until after the 1st.

15:48:43 shinohai: I'm going to try the pogo build with rotor again later this evening. So everyone wish me luck.

15:48:51 mod6: ascii_field: ya

15:48:56 mod6: that was all fine and dandy.

15:49:25 ascii_field: mod6: is there a link to the build output in the log ?

15:49:37 ascii_field: i too have been busy with other things, and lost track.

15:50:58 shinohai: I have very little to do all day in my situation, so throw any testing at me and I'll at least try.

15:53:43 phf: is rotor intended for general distribution, that is non-specialist should be able to download and do an independent turnkey build?

15:53:55 ascii_field: phf: yes.

15:54:29 ascii_field: phf: i determined, some months ago, that glibc is evil. and decided to abolish it from bitcoin.

15:54:31 ascii_field: !s glibc

15:54:31 assbot: 142 results for 'glibc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glibc

15:54:38 ascii_field: 'rotor' is the result.

15:54:43 mod6: ascii_field: there are a few pastes, it starts here: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-15#1214475

15:55:23 mod6: probably 20 lines of log to wade throgh

15:55:28 phf: i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement

15:55:30 ascii_field: mod6: unfortunately there is not enough info in this paste to go on

15:56:04 ascii_field: phf: the other purpose of 'rotor' is to have a 100% deterministic build

15:56:14 ascii_field: the only way to have this is for everyone to also build the compiler

15:56:25 mod6: ok, so sometime next week, i'll rebuild again from scratch and paste the full log.

15:56:38 ascii_field: neato

15:57:29 ascii_field: in other nyooz >> https://i.imgur.com/phCtDOk.png << microshit turns win10 box into torrent server for winblowz update, by default

15:57:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRrcsY )

15:57:29 phf: is bitcoind basically a new buildroot package or you're doing shellscripts? (sorry, i've not had a chance to look at rotor yet)

15:57:50 ascii_field: phf: for now, scripts. later - package

15:58:04 ascii_field: the reason i wrote it this way is that the result is intended to be used on a normal linux box

15:58:15 ascii_field: (rather than a linux produced by buildroot)

15:58:22 phf: aaah

16:01:19 shinohai: reddit wants to know when the windows release will be ready xD

16:05:15 ascii_field: l0lwat

16:10:42 phf: qemu with buildroot.img packed into binary -> bitcoind.exe :]

16:11:57 shinohai: lol phf

16:14:36 shinohai: the irc cloud has apparently evaporated

16:16:37 shinohai: !up ascii_field

16:27:54 ascii_field: http://www.copblock.org/132300/reasonable-cop-jumps-in-marines-car-shoots-him-to-save-himself << via qntra

16:27:56 assbot: "Reasonable" - Cop Jumps In Marine's Car, Shoots Him To "Save Himself" | Cop Block ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyGVyn )

16:27:58 ascii_field: ^l0lz

16:29:40 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-05-2015#1148913 << see also

16:29:40 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 11:50:54; mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's just, as the gulf between society and government widens, the ability of society to maintain social order decays. people start taking it upon themselves to provide for their own security, the most vulnerable groups (foreign language speaking, poor immigrants) overstot, which induces negative reactions in the public,

16:32:24 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-28/ron-paul-slams-gen-wesley-clark-he-kidding-internment-camps

16:32:25 assbot: Ron Paul Slams Gen. Wesley Clark: Is He Kidding, Internment Camps? | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyHCYn )

16:32:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:33:57 ascii_field: '“We have got to identify the people who are most likely to be radicalized,” he continued. “We’ve got to cut this off at the beginning. I do think on a national policy level we need to look at what self-radicalization means because we are at war with this group of terrorists.”' << win

16:34:18 ascii_field: (from different birdcage liners, http://www.salon.com/2015/07/20/wesley_clark_disloyal_americans_should_be_tossed_in_internment_camps_for_the_duration_of_the_war_on_terror )

16:34:20 assbot: Wesley Clark: “Disloyal Americans” should be tossed in internment camps for the “duration” of the war on terror - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyI2hn )

16:36:08 lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216490 << aye. You are correct. I will take a look at this tonight; see if I can't find some way to implement a history of some sort

16:36:08 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:45; asciilifeform: we discussed this! there is no reason for one of these links to ever appear twice.

16:36:23 ascii_field: ty lobbes

16:50:19 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:50:25 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216517 << fails...

16:50:25 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:30:22; jurov: phirephox

16:50:59 jurov: the end is nigh.

16:52:29 ascii_field: jurov: be so kind as to post a screenshot of whatever that thing was ?

16:56:24 jurov: http://www.explo.yt/Code_Galaxies_Visualization_-_debian.png as it's 3D this does not do it justice, the fat dot is libc6

16:56:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqFxHh )

16:58:10 ascii_field: jurov: is there a picture with text ?

16:58:36 jurov: it shows mouseover text only for one dot at a time

16:58:42 ascii_field: ah

16:58:47 ascii_field: seems pretty useless

16:59:16 ascii_field: 'rat's nest'

17:11:59 trinque: mats: time for me to switch deedbot- to the next tank :)

17:12:14 trinque: one sec and I shall

17:19:51 mats: kay, if you'd get that paste i've been trying to jam in there, that'd be great

17:20:18 mats: is it out of coins or wut?

17:20:18 trinque: yup, it is in the db

17:20:53 mats: i think i put three or more duplicates in there in the last two days, feel free to delete em

17:28:09 trinque: mats: https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES

17:28:10 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPhsJp )

17:28:27 trinque: the unconfirmed one should be the one you're waiting on

17:28:41 trinque: it'll upload to the site shortly

17:29:11 mats: excellent

17:30:04 trinque: !up gabriel_laddel

17:30:35 gabriel_laddel: oh ty

17:30:45 gabriel_laddel: 04:49:25 mircea_popescu: they should have held out for 55 billion. << lol

17:41:31 *: williamdunne is looking for work, enquire within

17:41:54 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:41:58 ascii_field: http://demo.talentpools.info << what is this horror ?

17:41:59 assbot: Home TalentPools ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPjv03 )

17:43:20 ascii_field: williamdunne: what kind of work

17:43:46 trinque: http://proofofdev.com/ << here's another

17:43:47 assbot: Proof of Developer | Cleaning up the Crypto Community one developer at a time. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPjLw2 )

17:43:54 trinque: mmmmarketing tripe!

17:44:13 ascii_field: trinque: the one linked earlier, has a qntra news feed

17:44:21 ascii_field: appears to be written by Azelphur

17:44:30 trinque: wat

17:45:23 trinque: in-wot jobs board isn't that bad an idea, really

17:45:52 trinque: could just deedbot your resume and announce here, though

17:48:37 Azelphur: I wrote something? o.O

17:49:01 ascii_field: 'Powered by BitRecruiter Written in pyth by Azelphur'

17:49:25 Azelphur: Please note that I am a programmer and did not write any of the content

17:49:32 ascii_field: ah

18:09:48 ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/2015/07/wapo-yanks-crypto.pdf << >> 'WaPo-Yanked Op-Ed Supporting Ubiquitous Crypto'

18:09:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPnh9I )

18:10:00 williamdunne: ascii_field: Programming (C#, Java, can learn other things), banking relationships, web development. Really anything that can get me a few bob each month

18:10:46 ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3QMF81S.txt << txt of earlier link

18:10:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPntpn )

18:11:37 ascii_field: https://archive.is/b2Z93

18:11:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPnCZX )

18:11:51 williamdunne: For the right job with additional incentives aside from salary I'd work sub-minimum

18:11:58 trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane.

18:12:01 trinque: !up ascii_field

18:12:20 trinque: dunno that there's a better measure of american hubris than that.

18:12:46 ascii_field: trinque: as i understand, the story isn't about '90s-style bans, but smoke to distract from the fact the 'smartPnohe' etc. is thoroughly pwned and usg-controlled on every level, 'crypted' or not

18:12:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00054883 = 18.1663 BTC [+]

18:13:01 trinque: yeah, makes sense.

18:14:19 shinohai: Easiest way to spy on your citizens is to put a device in every household they can't resist.

18:14:29 trinque: t-telescreen?

18:14:38 trinque: that's what I call my android phone

18:15:42 trinque: I don't know that even Mr. Huxley would've ever dreamt you'd carry the thing around with you.

18:15:50 ascii_field: orwell

18:15:51 trinque: who'd be so dumb?

18:15:57 trinque: ah I'm sorry, you're right.

18:16:19 ascii_field: huxley was optimist! his phyootoor had endless dope and all-day-long fuck for everyone

18:16:28 phf: huxley is the one who predicted that you would carry such a device and you would love it

18:16:29 trinque: still waiting on that soma

18:16:33 trinque: phf: right

18:16:46 decimation: lulz http://abcnews.go.com/US/university-cincinnati-cancels-classes-city-braces-deadly-shooting/story?id=32760968

18:16:48 assbot: Police Officer Involved in Deadly Cincinnati Shooting Indicted for Murder - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPoz4k )

18:17:18 decimation: ^ apparently in some places 'rule of law' kinda applies to cops

18:17:41 ascii_field: wake me up when they hang lon horiuchi

18:43:44 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/29/us-ukraine-crisis-battalions-special-rep-idUSKCN0Q30YT20150729 << oh great.

18:43:45 assbot: Special Report: Ukraine struggles to control maverick battalions | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPsE8B )

18:43:52 trinque: "Moscow must burn."

18:44:16 trinque: a) hilarious, good luck kid, and b) great excuse for russia to do whatever the hell it wants next

18:48:40 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:48:47 ascii_field: general interest: http://www.codepolice.org

18:48:48 assbot: Code Police: Welcome ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPtnqy )

18:50:00 mircea_popescu: what work exactly williamdunne ?

18:50:48 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Programming preferred, but anything that pays and I'm capable of, which I'd like to imagine is a fairly wide range of things

18:53:58 mircea_popescu: come to argentina start a black market dollar trading empire.

18:54:25 mircea_popescu: the locals are broadly speaking too retarded to qualify as frogs.

18:55:13 williamdunne: I lack capital, but conceptualized a service that could handle such things

18:55:25 williamdunne: (Friend is working on something similar for India/Brazil)

18:56:41 mircea_popescu: forget "service" dood. stop trying to abstract your ass from the fucking, that's not how it works.

18:56:46 mircea_popescu: go on the street, it's where life happens.

18:57:18 mircea_popescu: that's what the local derps are daydreaming too, "services" and "platforms" and their mother's wide cunts.

18:57:39 phf: hypothetically speaking how does a black market dollar trading works? bring cash past border control, sell to locals at margin?

18:58:09 mircea_popescu: phf buy and sell from locals, organise couriers to keep bringing bills in to help me bring down the fucktarded slow motion socialism they call "peroniosm" here

18:58:40 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how does bringing green pieces of paper from up north help bring down anyone ?

18:58:48 mircea_popescu: whole shebang's got maaaaaybe a coupla years left of "podremos vivir mejor" and "victoria es tener un trabajo y non necesitar un secundo" left in it.

18:59:14 mircea_popescu: ascii_field because they're worthless.

18:59:46 ascii_field: am i thick or what

18:59:48 williamdunne: What is the primary method of getting Argentinian toilet paper back into dollars?

19:00:14 mircea_popescu: you wait for a coupla years, then buy the pick of the crop of the current 12 yo women and sell them to brunei.

19:00:30 mircea_popescu: by then they'll just be startin' the bleedin'.

19:00:39 ascii_field: i mean, when i visited i traded mircea_popescu a bit of usd for coin. how did he use them to put a small hole in 'peronism' ?

19:01:49 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the less control over the currency the soi-dissant state enjoys, the closer it gets to its pissant destiny.

19:01:58 punkman: mircea_popescu: how much USD can one bring when entering .ar ?

19:02:02 mircea_popescu: and ~currency~ means something specific. the ~current~ medium of exchange.

19:02:15 mircea_popescu: punkman usual 10k or whatever you feel like stashing.

19:02:24 ascii_field: 10k is the traditional legal limit usa-side

19:02:33 punkman: around 10k euros around europe too

19:02:47 mircea_popescu: some people bring half mil to a mil, but then you run the risk of having to maybe shoot the dummies.

19:02:52 punkman: are there euros in .ar black market?

19:02:55 mircea_popescu: some people prefer to not bother. either way.

19:03:03 mircea_popescu: sort-of, yeah.

19:03:08 ascii_field: if the $mil fits in your pocket, you probably won't have to shoot anyone

19:03:20 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the half mil fits in a large travel bag.

19:03:25 ascii_field: aha

19:03:26 mircea_popescu: you've seen dollars before, yes ?

19:03:39 ascii_field: l0l

19:03:44 punkman: if they catch you with half-a-mil do they just confiscate?

19:03:49 mircea_popescu: no, you shoot them.

19:03:53 mircea_popescu: fucking confiscate, what is this.

19:04:06 mircea_popescu: "if you give that nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle."

19:04:12 ascii_field: probably safer to have this bad outside, vs inside of usa!

19:04:21 ascii_field: *bag

19:05:40 mircea_popescu: anyway. bring some friends, the hos you can't do without, some money and i guess handguns if you don't care for the chinese half-and-half crap.

19:05:52 ascii_field: half and half ?

19:06:00 mircea_popescu: (new chinese smg! shoots every other bullet!1"

19:06:08 ascii_field: l0l! mircea_popescu has one ?

19:06:14 mircea_popescu: mno.

19:06:23 ascii_field: i hear it's made for export only

19:06:29 ascii_field: .cn army does not field this.

19:06:31 mircea_popescu: yeah. to argentina and morocco

19:06:41 mircea_popescu: and any other places inhabited by the sort of retard.

19:07:14 ascii_field: incidentally, i've wondered when u.s. folks travelling with cash usd will learn about thermite as countermeasure to 'confiscator'

19:07:45 ascii_field: was sop for sov. diplomatic couriers

19:08:01 mircea_popescu: why blow money over some twerp ? blow the twerp.

19:08:10 punkman: !up thestringpuller

19:08:12 ascii_field: instruction, iirc, was '1) hit red button 2) open fire'

19:08:39 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: game-theoretical instrument

19:08:47 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cools the ardour of the enemy, cheaply

19:08:54 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/ << some of the redditards are getting sick of hearn's shit now too

19:11:17 thestringpuller: yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ? << we do cookies...

19:11:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't think you understand what the word "stupid" means.

19:11:58 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cow is stupid. still learns to avoid the barbed wire

19:11:58 phf: mircea_popescu: so the idea is to basically work as exchange, but with black market rate premium, whatever it is 30-40%, and a wider buy vs sell spread?

19:12:26 mircea_popescu: phf the idea is to basically work as an exchange, yes.

19:12:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33158 @ 0.00052485 = 17.403 BTC [-]

19:13:19 mircea_popescu: dollar trades 13.8-14.2 atm, "officially" at 8.whatever, in the sense that if you're a farmer and you sell soy, you're going to be paid for the dollars you bring in at that rate.

19:13:22 mircea_popescu: otherwise not meaningful.

19:14:04 mircea_popescu: govt is essentially running a 60% arbitrage on the last remaining productive leg of the place, which is fucking soy farming.

19:14:59 mircea_popescu: anyway. there's no shortage of work to be had here. and i mean serious work.

19:15:04 mircea_popescu: the shortage is i can't get enough people

19:15:11 mircea_popescu: but i mean people not social media derps.

19:15:48 ascii_field: people people, aha

19:16:35 phf: hmm

19:17:38 mircea_popescu: i imagine this is by now a worldwide problem.

19:18:38 ascii_field: which 'this' ?

19:19:03 mircea_popescu: can't find people.

19:19:21 mircea_popescu: lol wait, gmaxwell and mike hearn bitching at each other on reddit as to who should go do an altcoin ?

19:19:28 mircea_popescu: the mpsecution rests.

19:19:30 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:20:06 mircea_popescu: Last week, Retired General Wesley Clark, who was NATO commander during the US bombing of Serbia, proposed that ?disloyal Americans? be sent to internment camps for the ?duration of the conflict.?

19:20:08 mircea_popescu: ahaha wut.

19:21:35 mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, everything's rosy over at nigger house! they're so happy with the way shit's going they're gonna buy everyone a round!

19:22:06 ascii_field: ... of zyklon b ?

19:22:18 mircea_popescu: whatever they can afford.

19:22:24 mircea_popescu: gettit ? can ?

19:22:26 mircea_popescu: bwahahahah

19:22:32 mircea_popescu: oh lawdy i kill myself!

19:22:34 mircea_popescu: GEDDIT ?!?!?!

19:23:02 *: ascii_field somehow found himself implementing an ip stack

19:29:46 jurov: ascii_field: do you have a terminal emulator stashed anywhere?

19:29:56 jurov: everything i can find is married to gtk

19:30:00 ascii_field: jurov: 'screen'

19:30:13 ascii_field: jurov: http://www.gnu.org/software/screen

19:30:15 assbot: GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kz9Ja6 )

19:30:38 ascii_field: the only other one i've used in the past decade was 'minicom'

19:31:05 mircea_popescu: screen for the ween!

19:31:18 ascii_field: before that.... 'kermit' !

19:31:19 ascii_field: for msdos.

19:31:24 mircea_popescu: no no, screen's good.

19:31:38 ascii_field: i literally can't recall any other than these 3.

19:32:04 ascii_field: (at one point i owned an actual 'glass tty' ibm terminal, but parents threw it out)

19:33:03 jurov: ithings just came down into adding terminal emulator to eulora and i'm weighing down the options

19:33:40 ascii_field: lol, like the one in 'quake' ?

19:34:07 jurov: i'm blissfully unaware of quake

19:34:57 mircea_popescu: better than the one in quake.

19:35:41 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/1jNbNMe.jpg

19:35:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kza7W3 )

19:37:34 ascii_field: jurov: http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/81191-quake-amiga-screenshot-console-in-the-amiga-version-not-much.jpg

19:37:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzakZj )

19:43:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10542 @ 0.00052485 = 5.533 BTC [-]

19:45:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00052629 = 44.0505 BTC [+] {2}

19:54:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216646 << check it out, that came in rhyme.

19:54:56 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 15:35:31; *: shinohai likes children but values his sanity.

19:56:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216689 << what is this ?

19:56:02 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 15:55:28; phf: i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement

19:56:27 jurov: musl is alternative libc

19:56:32 mircea_popescu: i know what musl is.

19:56:36 shinohai: I guess I was unwittingly a poet today.

19:56:37 mircea_popescu: what movement is he on aboot ?

19:56:44 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:57:10 ascii_field: http://suckless.org

19:57:11 assbot: suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzcUON )

19:57:27 ascii_field: not, afaik, affiliated with the musl folks in any direct sense

19:57:27 mircea_popescu: omg this exists ?

19:57:34 ascii_field: but they link to it

19:57:36 shinohai: I was just about to respond to the pic mircea_popescu posted. Such sanctimonious horseshit makes me sick.

19:57:40 ascii_field: http://suckless.org/rocks

19:57:41 assbot: Stuff that rocks | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzd2ho )

19:57:57 mircea_popescu: is this a sort of gabriel_laddel pre gabriel_laddel ?

19:58:09 shinohai: Raw fucking potato indeed, what is this Latvia?

19:58:16 ascii_field: http://suckless.org/philosophy << see also

19:58:16 assbot: Philosophy | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzd6xI )

19:58:28 mircea_popescu: suckless conference 2015, Budapest

19:58:28 mircea_popescu: slcon2 will be held in Budapest on Oct 30-31 2015.

19:58:28 mircea_popescu: This time it?ll be a conference for invited participants only.

19:58:30 mircea_popescu: holy shit.

19:58:38 mircea_popescu: unretarded people exist. what a day!

19:58:47 ascii_field: existed for years

19:59:04 mircea_popescu: http://suckless.org/people/ << aww.

19:59:05 assbot: people | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzdgoP )

19:59:09 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't know everything!

20:00:19 mircea_popescu: "We believe this should become the mainstream philosophy in the IT sector." << it IS the mainsteam philosophy. just a bunch of barnacles hanging on.

20:00:48 ascii_field: http://sta.li

20:00:49 assbot: sta.li stali - static linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2sgrj )

20:01:22 mircea_popescu: ok, i like these people.

20:01:34 mircea_popescu: and, of course, spolski. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/09/23.html

20:01:35 assbot: The Duct Tape Programmer - Joel on Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2snmV )

20:01:35 phf: systemd was really the last nail in the coffin, this stuff was going on for a while, like freedesktop.org which is a open standards body (?) for all the retardation that came out of kde/gnome and "linux on desktop"

20:02:08 mircea_popescu: phf "you may have your thing revolutionize the world provided you agree to make it not change anything".

20:03:51 mircea_popescu: anyway. spolsky's making a mess of things. what a dumb article.

20:05:48 phf: of what i saw jwz wrote some tight no nonsense code, i think it's an unfair characterization of him. i guess things are seen different from microsoft mgmt perch

20:07:12 mircea_popescu: missing antecedent here. what ?

20:08:00 ascii_field: jwz took a big, fat shit into the software ecosystem

20:08:09 ascii_field: unrepentantly, proudly

20:10:13 ascii_field: in my mind he represents the sv idiot culture

20:10:50 phf: mircea_popescu: in the duct tape programmer spolsky used jamie zawinski, jwz, as his main example, and i think it's an odd, backhanded characterization, that's mainly there to drive a point about something that spolsky imagined

20:10:59 mircea_popescu: oh oh.

20:11:08 gabriel_laddel: jwz also failed to use his winnings productively.

20:11:11 mircea_popescu: you are actually both right and apparently well informed.

20:12:00 jurov: re: suckless actually 'dvtm' terminal emulator may be what i asked for

20:12:27 trinque: ah suckless... I ran dwm for quite a long time

20:12:36 mircea_popescu: what an exciting day.

20:12:59 shinohai: https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term

20:13:01 assbot: Swordfish90/cool-retro-term · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2twuI )

20:14:10 mircea_popescu: "When asked why he jumped into the window by investigators, Nordman responded, ?[to] make the driver stop the car. He didn?t seem like he was gonna? tak[e] me seriously enough ? me being outside the car and telling him to stop ? so I figured I?d get inside and make him stop.?"

20:14:35 mircea_popescu: ahh, the primary driver of usg agent behaviour - that ever present gnawing fear at the back of the skull that who knows, maybe someone somewhere is laughing at them

20:14:41 jurov: i have even found an opengl term that's supposed to rotate char at cursor :D but from 2002

20:15:09 jurov: but reasonably recent and not bloated things are hard apparently

20:15:15 mircea_popescu: "Nordman and Heron have been cleared of all criminal wrongdoing in the incident and have received no disciplinary action from the department despite an internal review."

20:15:25 gernika: ascii_field is there a summary of sv idiot culture somewhere that enumerates the major flaws? My own experience of it is that it is sort of a fraud culture in which fraud "prototypes" are developed to be sold to google/facebook/apple for marketing purposes.

20:15:37 mircea_popescu: gernika so there you go.

20:16:15 ascii_field: gernika: ultimately it is a set of pigs competing for trough of the u.s. fed arse-mouth-system printing usd to buy stocks with

20:18:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216765 << who's the nick denton of shit=po ? are they quitting ?

20:18:03 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 18:09:48; ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/2015/07/wapo-yanks-crypto.pdf << >> 'WaPo-Yanked Op-Ed Supporting Ubiquitous Crypto'

20:18:06 gabriel_laddel: !up diana_coman

20:18:11 mircea_popescu: or is that only if you bother some random anon faggot ?

20:19:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216773 << no ban is ever different you realise.

20:19:34 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 18:11:58; trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane.

20:19:42 trinque: certainly.

20:19:43 punkman: jurov, did you see this http://st.suckless.org/ ?

20:19:43 assbot: suckless.org st - simple terminal ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2ujM0 )

20:19:44 mircea_popescu: every "ban" comes from the same happy place of insanity.

20:19:49 gernika: Seems like the fraud model took over in the 90s and resulted in the first bust.

20:20:49 phf: ascii_field: was talking purely about his programming style. he writes like an oldfag without "paradigms", focused

20:21:08 mircea_popescu: "I would like Ukraine to lead the crusades," said Korchynsky, whose battalion's name is Saint Mary. "Our mission is not only to kick out the occupiers, but also revenge. Moscow must burn."

20:21:11 mircea_popescu: ahaha pretty great.

20:21:17 ascii_field: phf: eh, so does everybody over ~30

20:21:17 mircea_popescu: burn moscow in the name of xtianity ?

20:21:58 mircea_popescu: "No political force should have, and will not have, any kind of armed cells. No political organization has the right to establish ... criminal groups," Poroshenko said on July 13.

20:21:59 mircea_popescu: herp.

20:22:06 mircea_popescu: disarm the police, we'll talk. maybe.

20:23:30 jurov: punkman the problem is, i need it to draw on opengl canvas

20:23:57 mircea_popescu: jurov you sure ?

20:24:10 mircea_popescu: client already has a display thing, hook it.

20:25:25 jurov: yes it is posible to place it as fixed X child window but then it's forever limited to linux/X

20:26:40 jurov: i don't reject that altogether, will see how it goes

20:26:42 punkman: jurov, this might be relevant https://code.google.com/p/fbterm/

20:26:43 assbot: fbterm - a fast FrameBuffer based TERMinal emulator for linux - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzgBEc )

20:27:24 jurov: oh i did not mean so lowlevel, there are already text primitives provided

20:27:39 mircea_popescu: jurov no but i mean... read say diana's code, she's usiong native functions to output text in a window

20:28:15 jurov: yes but it's "dumb terminal"

20:28:20 mircea_popescu: let cs handle the canvas bs for you is by far the best idea. and only toucvh the radioactive pile of crap it is via the client api for oyur own safety.

20:28:29 phf: jurov: http://glterm.sourceforge.net/screensh.html maybe?

20:28:30 assbot: glterm ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzgRTG )

20:29:00 jurov: phf that's the ancient thing with rotating letter i mentioned

20:29:07 phf: oh, right

20:29:15 jurov: it can't even get pty properly

20:30:50 *: jurov is sad to label 2002 stuff as ancient

20:30:56 phf: you could use something like https://github.com/selectel/pyte with cs3d's python plugin. that sounds unholy though

20:30:57 assbot: selectel/pyte · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzh8pJ )

20:32:30 jurov: phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs

20:33:03 jurov: but it does some "paws" homebrew stuff without py bindings

20:33:59 jurov: btw, i naively created swig py bindings just for network messages, .py and .cxx it came out several MB

20:34:17 jurov: and i had to comment out structs nested inside classes

20:34:45 jurov: it eventually compliled, did not dare to try it yet

20:36:08 jurov: as it was said earlier when boost was discussed, either it gets used or some crappy homebrew replacement

20:36:16 jurov: CS does the latter

20:36:51 diana_coman: cs pretty much insists on replacing everything for some reason

20:36:58 diana_coman: from what I saw so far

20:37:03 phf: well, no, the approach would be to implement necessary drawing primitives on top of existing console in eulora (they are probably already there, just need to be catalogued), expose those primitives via python interface, and then hook the primitives into pyte's rendering callbacks. wxwidgets are not involved anywhere

20:37:50 punkman: what's the purpose of this anyway?

20:38:47 jurov: http://fraudsters.com/2015/eulora-client-freenode-patch/ < dis

20:38:48 assbot: Eulora client Freenode patch on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzhUDk )

20:39:17 jurov: phf, python will be for things that are likely to change, players scripting actions

20:40:05 jurov: i am not passing output and esp. keyboard/mouse input through that just to draw terminal emulator

20:40:17 phf: :>

20:41:27 jurov: dvtm is few concise 3kloc C files that know how to manage MxN text matrix+attributes

20:45:11 jurov: btw williamdunne everyone is hating on eulora that it does not have official website, you're welcome to put together one

20:46:09 jurov: and get paid in quality bits of nothing ;D

20:51:15 shinohai: "get paid in quality bits of nothing" <<< Dogecoin ?

20:51:46 jurov: lol no it's real eulora item

20:52:01 shinohai: ^______________^

20:54:47 jurov: http://www.mod6.net/eulora/v0.1.0/eulora_010.png here's mod6 posing next to heap of them

20:54:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzkide )

20:55:42 jurov: he's just a bit awkward with camera

20:58:50 shinohai: Seems like everyone here plays this game but me. :/

20:59:09 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:59:10 diana_coman: so come over in eulora shinohai

20:59:14 ascii_field: or me

20:59:46 shinohai: I absolutely suck at gaming. The last thing I played and enjoyed was probably Mario Kart.

21:00:09 diana_coman: ha ha, you never know until you try it though

21:00:12 jurov: please don't, eulora is a plot to sabotage the foundation efforts

21:00:20 shinohai: Besides tetris, which I can play inside my irc client.

21:00:41 diana_coman: ah wow, haven't played that in some years, hmmmm

21:06:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00054899 = 11.968 BTC [+] {3}

21:23:57 mircea_popescu: shit jurov's on to me.

21:24:00 williamdunne: jurov: How convertible are bits of nothing, and how many bits of nothing would it be worth? For personal reasons need some liquid money in my life

21:25:12 mircea_popescu: one's worth like 11 satoshi orsome such.

21:28:42 mod6: jurov: lol, awkward?

21:29:03 jurov: mod6 all shots are from behind

21:29:32 mod6: i play in 3rd person follow

21:30:22 jurov: williamdunne it's not paid per contract, just classical la serenissima voluntary debt

21:32:05 jurov: mircea_popescu will arrange 20 virgins for you when you die or some such

21:32:46 mircea_popescu: jurov nah, diana got like 1k slithy tove.

21:33:02 mircea_popescu: she's the queen of whimsy nao, we all gotta bow to her for samovar goodness.

21:34:11 jurov: guess she has no use for virgins posthumously :D

21:34:20 diana_coman: ha ha jurov

21:34:39 jurov: but seriously, eulora's economy is several BTC worth by now

21:38:05 jurov: i got bitcents worth of nifty items, too, for free (and overpaid for others.. that's life)

21:39:11 mircea_popescu: actually eulora economy is like 10 btc.

21:39:54 punkman: what would some starter mining/crafting tools cost me?

21:40:16 punkman: too bad I lost the bezzlebag :/

21:41:38 jurov: you can mine barehanded

21:41:43 diana_coman: punkman you can even mine with your hands for that matter, so for free

21:41:59 mircea_popescu: punkman you can mine for free, ill give you some bits of nothing for your tinies for free also.

21:42:08 diana_coman: and bits of nothing are like 11-12 satoshi or you'll prolly get some for free from someone (me even)

21:42:11 mircea_popescu: you can buy thread for your smalls, i sell high q stuff at ~430 each

21:42:23 mircea_popescu: but prolly best off selling your smal claims to a higher mienr for cash or a cut or w/e

21:51:34 trinque: williamdunne: iirc gabriel_laddel had common lisp work

21:51:51 trinque: might inquire with him

22:08:47 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0411075db229a268757b8505016b7d74/tumblr_mpugr9ob0j1rmxgp0o1_1280.jpg

22:08:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7IK78 )

22:09:16 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-best-obamacare-makes-healthcare-affordable-story-you-ever-heard-also-survivalism/

22:09:17 assbot: The best Obamacare-makes-healthcare-affordable story you ever heard. Also, survivalism. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7IODO )

22:09:21 *: mircea_popescu waves at lobbesbot

22:10:37 mircea_popescu: phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs << rewriting it on wxwidgets not illegal ftr.

22:13:14 hanbot: achtung noobkart. stator's distfiles manifest lists a boost bz2, ml67 pulls in gz. bz2 from sourceforge doesn't match manifest's sha512sum, where is correct bz2 located?

22:14:23 trinque: sourceforge are scum

22:14:24 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

22:14:25 mircea_popescu: !b 3

22:14:26 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/20670SX.txt )

22:14:45 trinque: I can put my copies of the distfiles on deedbot.org

22:14:51 trinque: which do match.

22:14:57 mircea_popescu: she had me at achtung noobkart. sort-of like you know, armored ?

22:15:08 trinque: haha

22:15:28 hanbot: trinque ya but said ml67 pulls in from sourceforge, whaddamigonnado. deedbot would be great

22:15:38 trinque: I dunno ask ben_vulpes

22:15:51 hanbot: mircea_popescu with trumpets flatulant

22:16:25 mircea_popescu: http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk129/slayercat27/Cathelmet.jpg << the original noobkart pilot, of course

22:16:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7JMjz )

22:23:55 trinque: hanbot: http://deedbot.org/stator-distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2

22:24:04 trinque: db and openssl are also there

22:26:38 hanbot: thanks tringue. still doesn't match sha512sum however (boost)

22:28:05 hanbot: i'd assume i'm doing something horribly backwards except that db and openssl check out.

22:29:11 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217073 << i think you mean williamdunne's scoopbot_revived

22:29:11 assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 22:09:21; *: mircea_popescu waves at lobbesbot

22:29:12 shinohai: @ hanbot I had same boost issues, had to roll my own

22:29:46 pete_dushenski: which, if it's acting up, isn't much of a cv, mr. dunne !

22:31:06 pete_dushenski: so self-scoop time it is : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/29/bringing-the-fight-to-the-construction-industry/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/29/watch-bryan-caplan-and-econlog-get-their-heads-stuck-in-the-sand-like-really-incredibly-stuck/

22:31:07 assbot: Bringing the fight to the construction industry. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzxVce )

22:31:08 assbot: Watch Bryan Caplan and EconLog get their heads stuck in the sand. Like really, incredibly stuck. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzxXki )

22:31:26 hanbot: shinohai i noticed in logs, yeah. so asciilifeform , when you're around: where oh where is stator's boost bz2 from?

22:31:32 mod6: hanbot: prior to stator we used .tar.gz on boost, not sure why alf started using .bz2 at that point.

22:32:41 hanbot: mod6 interesting. anyway i want to see what he sez.

22:32:51 pete_dushenski: lel. yelp! lost a quarter of its 'value' today.

22:33:11 shinohai: I didn't know you could value yelp! in negatves

22:33:13 pete_dushenski: let this be a lesson to 'i just want to make a service' kids

22:35:04 pete_dushenski: yelp market cap now 1.87 bn and is down 70% this year. wd sv !

22:35:30 pete_dushenski: sorry, -70% in past 12 months, -54% in 2015

22:36:31 pete_dushenski: actually now back to march 2013 ipo price of ~$25

22:38:42 trinque: hanbot: does on my end

22:38:46 trinque: wtf?

22:38:50 trinque: what's the shasum you have

22:42:53 trinque: yelp, also scum

22:43:08 trinque: as far as I can tell their business model is extortion

22:44:08 trinque: $ sha512sum boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2

22:44:11 trinque: fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2

22:44:18 trinque: hanbot: ^ from the server

22:44:41 trinque: that's what I have in my stator manifest

22:46:27 mod6: fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2

22:46:59 mod6: i get the same thing on mine -- the (bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz has a script that pulls that one via curl command):

22:47:13 mod6: boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost"

22:47:13 mod6: curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2

22:47:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24299 @ 0.00051492 = 12.512 BTC [-]

22:50:34 mod6: and this is what all of my older v0.5.3.1 builds have pulled down for the .tar.gz:

22:50:37 mod6: 8de651beb9a48f91f8a797f44966b8f25c3351d6893c1d79969aeb2ded3adeaf8fc14aa9b8a4410081dde9ef155330b41a4982a62b55adde40bb73f0066c74a2 distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.gz

22:50:44 punkman: mod6: above curl command doesn't work for me

22:51:04 mod6: did you enter the line above it first?

22:51:51 mod6: i put this in the stator.sh script. it pulls them down, have tried on 3 different environments of my own, and independantly verified 2x otherwise.

22:52:42 mod6: anyway, this is all gonna change.

22:53:53 mod6: punkman: did you try the line above it first? the first line: boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" << sets a environment variable. is required for the second part to work: curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2

22:56:19 mod6: anyway, that has nothing to do with anything

22:56:29 punkman: mod6, yeah it worked now, but got html more than once

22:56:31 mod6: because alf's original stator doens't have that in there.

22:56:45 mod6: he expects everyone to pull down their own bundles.

22:57:10 mod6: The Foundation isn't going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin.

22:58:15 mod6: How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems.

22:58:16 punkman: just host the dependencis on therealbitcoin.org

22:58:21 mod6: No no.

22:59:04 mod6: Only in some sort of catestrophic circumstance will we do such a thing.

22:59:25 mod6: Like sourceforge goes away, or OpenSSL gets a million pound shit dropped on its head.

23:03:57 trinque: mod6: I think that's wise, actually.

23:04:08 trinque: it's a neverending mess

23:05:49 mod6: Trying to create a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction.

23:06:12 mod6: We're gonna do what we do, deliver bitcoin source code.

23:06:20 mod6: The rest is all secondary.

23:06:40 mod6: And truly none of our business.

23:07:24 mod6: If asciilifeform needs a fully deterministic static bitcoind for his use, then sure, he can use whatever means he needs to achieve that.

23:07:43 mod6: And if someone wants to run a dynamically linked version? Who are we to tell them 'no'?

23:09:39 mod6: That all being said, I'm super glad that 'rotor' is out there now, and I hope to learn and use it one day myself. Maybe even this week! But that shouldn't be something that we deliver.

23:09:50 mod6: That should be something that you use for what we deliver.

23:10:36 trinque: its clearly a separate concern from the source itself, aside from which roof it is under.

23:10:37 shinohai: I like everything except this goddamned pogo. If I had gasoline in the house I'd set it afire this very moment.

23:10:59 *: mod6 takes away shinohai's matches

23:11:36 mod6: Porkchop time!

23:11:46 shinohai: I'm a smoker, I have tons of lighters. :D

23:11:50 mod6: haha

23:26:07 punkman: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/29/i-run-a-university-im-also-an-uber-driver/

23:26:08 assbot: I run a university. I’m also an Uber driver. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIWHsO )

23:28:20 trinque: dude, there's a lot of talent in the suckless wot

23:28:33 trinque: http://sta.li/ << neat concept

23:28:34 assbot: sta.li stali - static linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIX9Y2 )

23:29:11 trinque: http://www.radare.org/r/ << another one of their guys

23:29:12 assbot: radare ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIXf20 )

23:34:36 BingoBoingo: This also looks promising http://morpheus.2f30.org/

23:34:37 assbot: Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )

23:35:18 shinohai: Daily Windowze10 lolz from 4chan: https://i.imgur.com/s274w4E.png

23:35:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYka6 )

23:38:47 trinque: BingoBoingo: neat

23:39:13 BingoBoingo: trinque: Linked from that sta.li page you posted

23:39:38 trinque: oh shit it uses a unionfs for packages!

23:39:44 trinque: a la haiku

23:39:46 trinque: love that.

23:44:10 BingoBoingo: Also the blog post announcing it, love the comment drama http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110727064007/http://elevenislouder.blogspot.com/2010/02/stali.html

23:44:12 assbot: Eleven is Louder: Stali ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIZSRf )

23:53:00 trinque: I'm curious why these guys don't seem to have considered using openbsd as a basis

23:53:12 trinque: given their expressed love of simplicity

23:53:33 trinque: the linux kernel is the biggest wad of complexity in... linux

23:54:05 trinque: seems most of their stuff would run happily atop it

23:58:57 hanbot: trinque my sha512sum was of old, stale item. refreshed, matches, tyvm.

23:59:27 trinque: ah, cool.