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Transcript for 29-08-2014, 1369 lines:

00:17:09 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/7Q95dn3z << script kiddies hard at work.

00:17:09 assbot: referer: http://mpex.ws/system/fckeditor/editor/filemanager/browser/default/conn - Pastebin.com

00:19:31 BingoBoingo: skiddies or sophisticates wearing skiddie clothes for another round of probing?

00:20:35 ben_vulpes: now i have this image of mp sitting watching fraudsters logs scroll by on slow days in #b-a

00:26:24 BingoBoingo: I imagine MP reading these logs off of a projection onto a girl's back as she's bent over

00:28:49 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol this was actually mpex proxy logs

00:28:56 ben_vulpes: well mpex, fraudsters...

00:29:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure gives new meaning to calling someone an asshole.

00:29:09 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it'd be her butt and legs were she bent over

00:29:41 mircea_popescu: teh buttighs

00:30:05 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Not if he's inside her

00:30:37 mircea_popescu: "?Expect the government to take action to bring this rate down ? fast,? wrote Bianca Fernet, stilettos-on-the-ground American economist in Buenos Aires and contributor to Wolf Street. T"

00:30:46 mircea_popescu: lol at that linked thing.

00:31:40 mircea_popescu: On Friday, the peso recovered a smidgen, and the reported ?blue dollar? rate dipped below 14 ARS/USD, after the central bank had reportedly blown $10 million of its foreign exchange reserves to prop it up. << to put this in perspective : the argentine natl bank foreign reserves went up 2.5 bn in the interval since i wrote im supporting them and the reporting cutoff for q2. (ie, early august)

00:33:50 mircea_popescu: and in other news : http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=F.DERP

00:33:50 assbot: F.DERP last @0.00000000

00:33:52 mircea_popescu: jurov ^

00:35:14 BingoBoingo: Best preambulatory clause: "WHEREAS F.DERP issues synthetic equivalents of worthless fiat businesses fraudulently purporting involvement in Bitcoin and exposure to the Bitcoin economy with the irresponsible support of the US propaganda machine as well as the allegedly private investment arm of the US Fed, in order to allow unfettered price discovery for the underlyings in the actual Bitcoin stock market ; "

00:36:57 mircea_popescu: that reminds me BingoBoingo : i was gonna say i don't like curtis yarvin / mencius moldbug for the following very specific reason - he sounds exactly like a propaganda job for smart people.

00:37:48 mircea_popescu: ie, he admits some "outrageous" points, which gives him some credence in the eyes of the more naive intelligent folk, youngestrs mostly. he then turns around and uses this capital to consolidate the very monster he pretends to position himself against

00:38:10 mircea_popescu: stuff like http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com.ar/2007/05/bdh-ov-conflict_07.html is a very plain example in this spirit

00:38:10 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The BDH-OV conflict

00:38:19 mircea_popescu: "This should be reason enough for anyone to avoid taking up cudgels on behalf of either."

00:38:23 mircea_popescu: orly ?

00:39:15 mircea_popescu: the whole thing works, intentionally or no, as a fine work of mr o'brien. only a fucking imbecile would imagine that THAT is the book of the insurgency.

00:40:00 mircea_popescu: the insurgency is not derping with stupid books, the insurgency is the mob, amassing power at the bottom of the market fluxes in the utopian world.

00:41:28 mircea_popescu: this because back at reality ranch, the only way to win the game is to constantly attack all the way to the king. there's no prizes for having lost the game but "successfully sieged a rook".

00:41:51 mircea_popescu: which is the spirit behind that clause, and generally speaking the spirit behind everything that'll ever work.

00:42:08 dignork: mircea_popescu: he is consistent, moldbag is proposing a model of "better" government, when current one crashes, for whatever reason.

00:42:25 mircea_popescu: he is consistent in the sense that he doesn't want the current one to crash.

00:44:33 mircea_popescu: once that's on the table, the difference between yarvin and dutta is purely cosmetic.

00:44:33 dignork: more that he doesn't see how it can be crashed, so he stays passive

00:44:33 mircea_popescu: i do not believe so.

00:44:34 mircea_popescu: if this were the true case he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-killer-ap six weeks after it became obvious to him bitcoin is the killer ap.

00:44:34 mircea_popescu: he'd have been here, long ago.

00:44:34 dignork: He claims that democracy is self-stabilizing mud, and hence almost uncrashable

00:44:35 mircea_popescu: i am aware.

00:44:43 mircea_popescu: this is not a disinterested claim.

00:46:52 dignork: in any case, through his writings I was searching for a better model, but he forgot to provide one, so it was fun to read, but nothing more

00:46:59 diametric: i always love coming home to digikey boxes at my doorstep.

00:47:27 mircea_popescu: dignork reading can't hurt anyway.

00:47:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am astounded by that post, the structure and foundation of his argument, and his conclusions. Applying Subcontinental templates onto Us society with the readiness a programmer might call some javascript data structures to be used in python

00:48:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what i most took exception with was the inane proposition that the mob (w/.e he calls it, d something) had "no cultural insitutions"

00:48:34 mircea_popescu: fuck off, the only reason you can even have a decent meal in new york is the fucking mob.

00:48:49 mircea_popescu: as far as that lasts, if it even survived past the brahmin bloomberg.

00:49:31 mircea_popescu: but that aside, the relative success of b-a as compared to every other dickless-shithead run channel on freenode and beyond speaks directly to the superior cultural achievements and ability of the structured society.

00:49:58 BingoBoingo: Or that H and D are specifically "Blue" as though he has never been to this "Middle America"

00:50:58 mircea_popescu: so to come round circle, i guess he could be just incredibly fucking stupid, as dignork proposes. perhaps.

00:51:19 mircea_popescu: be that as it may, he's a reasonably useful tool, and in a utilitarian world his idiocy does not define him as his utility does.

00:51:40 BingoBoingo: Maybe he works as a "convenient highlighter"

00:52:25 dignork: mircea_popescu: I never said he is stupid, but the proposed model is not thought through.

00:52:26 BingoBoingo: I've never really liked his argumentative style as he tries to put forth the grand societal argment relying on mush that seem reminiscent of Urbit "jets"

00:52:48 mircea_popescu: dignork de facto, in the "malicious or idiotic" dilemma you were proposing the latter.

00:53:04 mircea_popescu: or at least it's what i read.

00:53:38 dignork: that's an extrapolation, but a good one.

00:53:44 BingoBoingo: One can not build a banana republic by stacking deck chairs on the titanic.

00:54:10 BingoBoingo: The water's too deep

00:54:36 mircea_popescu: dignork i don't consider idiocy to be any more all-encompassing than genius. one can be a chemistry genius and die of accidental exposure. one can similarly be a complete idiot in say politics and yet an accomplished farmer.

00:55:17 mircea_popescu: (and yes im thinking of jefferson_

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00:55:51 BingoBoingo: !b 2

00:57:19 dignork: malicious vs. idiotic problem is an intersting one: when I see somebody smarter than myself, by say +3 points, i can assume that he didn't find a solution because it required +4

00:57:42 dignork: alternative: I assume that he is +6, because that's how smart he supposed to be to fool me...

00:58:25 dignork: default would be +3

00:58:47 mircea_popescu: this however is not supported by what we're discussing. when you see someone who displays the mental gymnastics required to comprehend the ffi, and then fails to resolve a problem which requires merely differential calculus

00:58:55 mircea_popescu: what then ?

00:59:13 mircea_popescu: s/ffi/fast fourier transform/

01:04:23 ben_vulpes: fft

01:04:26 ben_vulpes: allo pete

01:04:55 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:<asciilifeform> (what's it about in reality? real-time tracking of all meat inventory. and, with a little more magic - your car is own gasenwagen when time comes.) << they already had a pilot for this. amusingly, it was sold as an expensive ad on for luxury brands. northstar or something. << northstar was the name of a fairly awful gm v8, onstar was their tracking device

01:05:20 mircea_popescu: ah right

01:05:25 pete_dushenski: twas available on all gm vehicles and even some volkswagens, such as the phaeton

01:05:29 pete_dushenski: heya ben_vulpes

01:05:32 dignork: it also can be a mental barrier, for exmaple if he tries to maintain humanism, while rejecting democracy

01:05:53 BingoBoingo: Onstar was the meat tracker

01:06:16 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ty (and kakobrekla) for fixing the ads!

01:07:17 mircea_popescu: dignork functionally, this is idiocy (denying the fruits of reason lest they interfere with the desires of emotion)

01:07:31 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> twas available on all gm vehicles and even some volkswagens, such as the phaeton << In undergrad our College's president had a phaeton as his College supplied vehicle.

01:08:15 dignork: for most, self preservation is above reasoning

01:08:23 mircea_popescu: no argument.

01:08:30 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: always loved those understated beasts

01:08:37 mircea_popescu: most don't get to serve as cultural reference points. for this reason.

01:08:37 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dignork functionally, this is idiocy (denying the fruits of reason lest they interfere with the desires of emotion) << Amazing how the Yarvins don't separate their reasoned arguments from their emotional rants

01:08:46 pete_dushenski: i test drove one… and broke it

01:09:02 pete_dushenski: that convinced me they were too fragile and i ended up with a 350z for a few years

01:09:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do i ?

01:09:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You write in a way that the elements of the emotional rants and reasoned arguments have clear seperations discernable to readers

01:10:00 mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is in any way my merit.

01:10:11 mircea_popescu: i always thought the distinction is the job of the readership.

01:10:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: May be because you didn't grow up on Ingles

01:10:53 mircea_popescu: or maybe because i killed andreas antonowhatevs

01:11:59 BingoBoingo: Anyways, misdemeanor disordely case appears to have been continued. Have to get a hold of the lawyer to find out in which of the two ways, the beneficial way ot the optimally beneficial way this went.

01:12:08 mircea_popescu: no but im seriously offended. the entire fucking pile of a century worth of chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output.

01:12:18 mircea_popescu: it's not that the us doesn';t have a great brahmin novel. it has NOTHING.

01:12:26 mircea_popescu: it contributed to the culture of the world less than fucking chad

01:12:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no but im seriously offended. the entire fucking pile of a century worth of chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output. << I blame Husserl and Derrida

01:12:45 mircea_popescu: and this schmuck has the unmitigated audacity to belittle other shit from atop of all that nonachievement ?!

01:13:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo neither were usians.

01:13:25 mircea_popescu: at least chadians dance and shit.

01:13:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The USian Brahmin emulate the French, for some god awful reason.

01:13:39 mircea_popescu: stupid ass us "brahmins" can't even take their clothes off.

01:13:50 mircea_popescu: what french lol. i fucked french.

01:14:00 mircea_popescu: they're emulating a 1844 postcard sent from paris, wisconsin.

01:14:08 mircea_popescu: and drawn by some out of work industrial sketcher dude.

01:14:47 BingoBoingo: The USian brahamin could have done great if they would have let James starve when the dumpsters ran out of food and instead elevated Peirce

01:15:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo even leaving that scandal aside, consider their treatment of buffett.

01:15:12 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More their imagined sense of the french

01:15:20 mircea_popescu: guy comprehends more economy than the entire profession of academic economist in the history of the united states.

01:15:25 mircea_popescu: yet...

01:15:57 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: at least chadians dance and shit. << usians twerk

01:15:59 mircea_popescu: they're doing some pathetic recouping of old-and-senile buffett now, mostly predicated on denouncing as heresy his actually useful contributions, two decades prior.

01:16:22 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski no, that's still the chadians. show me one of these fucktarded, social sciences major chick twerking.

01:16:52 mircea_popescu: preferably one that doesn't look like a whale coming aground.

01:16:54 pete_dushenski: sm derps jiggle, black bitches twerk

01:16:54 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> pete_dushenski no, that's still the chadians. show me one of these fucktarded, social sciences major chick twerking. << If I still used the Facebook thing this might be possible.

01:18:00 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGwo8-OCDcQ

01:18:00 assbot: Best White Girl Twerk Compilation 2014 - YouTube

01:18:00 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ef_q1_uoQ << us brahmin culture.

01:18:00 assbot: Douche Canoe An Original Song - YouTube

01:18:00 mircea_popescu: that

01:18:02 mircea_popescu: 's what it is.

01:19:16 pete_dushenski: lol i shoulda used douchecanoe instead of contravex

01:20:11 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski sadly i can't evaluate your contribution because youtube considers it dangerous for minors such as myself.

01:20:33 BingoBoingo: lol, same here

01:21:53 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiODkiH_d0 << all white, not all terrible actually

01:21:53 assbot: Compilation Best White Girl Twerking Vines - August 2014 Part 1 - YouTube

01:22:14 mircea_popescu: white is scarcely the qualification here.

01:22:29 mircea_popescu: 50k in debt, social sciences degree and a history of opining in the press is the qualification.

01:22:33 pete_dushenski: though it's tough to know if they're white when most faces are obscured and light levels not conducive to determining skin tone

01:22:39 pete_dushenski: o right

01:23:00 mircea_popescu: it'd be a sad world if white chicks were all fucktarded,

01:23:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he [yarvin] doesn't want the current one to crash << this is because he is persuaded (not necessarily wrongly) that he and his children will be eaten by orcs when crash

01:23:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so ?

01:23:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-... << claims that he tried (and gave up, because 'can have problems')

01:23:56 mircea_popescu: suppose i ran for fucking congress in say south africa, on the internal conviction that upon the destruction of south africa lies my prosperity.

01:24:02 mircea_popescu: would you expect the electorate there to welcome me ?

01:24:17 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-... << claims that he tried (and gave up, because 'can have problems') << lies. what is the urbit thing ?

01:24:34 asciilifeform: the mob << grep mr mold's works for 'looks like hitler'

01:24:36 asciilifeform: he has phobias.

01:25:01 mircea_popescu: i meant mob as in, cosa nostra mob.

01:25:03 asciilifeform: damnit i step out to drill a few holes in the dirt shack and miss all the good stuff (tm) as always.

01:25:23 mircea_popescu: it didn't go anywhere lol, simmer.

01:25:58 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell vexual that's wonderful that you *can* now *may* you recommend some restaurants in syd/mel?

01:25:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:26:34 pete_dushenski: also, if anyone has restaurant recommendations for latvia+estonia, apply within

01:26:49 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> he has phobias. << Some people come to Bitcoin out of their technical knowledge. Some people like myself come because crazy. A Yarvin beats around the bushes because of an uncomfortable median?

01:27:02 asciilifeform: chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output >> does an arsonist contribute to a city ?

01:27:15 mircea_popescu: so you smell... rotten cum, as a passing waft. you figure... whatever, my mind's brokt. then you smell it again. eventually you tear the whole house upside down, nothing nowhere. to eventually find it comes from.... an older avocado.

01:27:42 asciilifeform: consider their treatment of buffett >> last i checked he was alive and well ?

01:27:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but not worshipped.

01:28:01 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output >> does an arsonist contribute to a city ? << Oftentimes. StL Brick theives have contributed tremendously to Atlanta suburbs, and Florida.

01:28:04 mircea_popescu: and no, an arsonist isn't a contributor, nor chomski much of an arsonist at all.

01:28:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where's buffett's nobel prize ?

01:28:50 ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> that convinced me they were too fragile and i ended up with a 350z for a few years << how was it? >? new subies?

01:28:59 mircea_popescu: where's the "we can't do this because buffett says it's stupid" policy discussion ?

01:29:16 asciilifeform: buffett's nobel prize >> might wanna check out what happened to nobel prize in past 50y or so

01:29:48 asciilifeform: if buffett were awarded it, he might well have it shaved into 'goldschlager' so he can shit it out into golden toilet on camera

01:30:15 mircea_popescu: i dun follow.

01:30:27 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> buffett's nobel prize >> might wanna check out what happened to nobel prize in past 50y or so << Maybe the point of fiat and inflation was to turn the Nobel reward into a "blue ribbon" at the science fair

01:31:21 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: was it better than an sti?

01:31:58 asciilifeform: and apparently 'xapo' sells (but not buys?) btc now.

01:32:08 *: BingoBoingo wonders how long Coinroll contributed to his VAN pool, you know the /. traffic is big 24 hours tapers next 24 and returns to "normal" day 3 if previous experiences are informative

01:32:10 asciilifeform: (new dump engine...)

01:32:16 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the 350z was a better highway car by far. effortless 6th gear hauling. fit 2 sets of golf clubs.

01:32:48 pete_dushenski: subies are kinda hollow feeling on the highway

01:33:04 BingoBoingo: I still miss my bright red Grand Am with the sound system

01:33:15 BingoBoingo: But a truck ate it

01:33:17 pete_dushenski: of course, in the winter, the subie is better at everything as the 350 is parked.

01:33:42 asciilifeform: an older avocado <<

01:33:44 pete_dushenski: and both are too firm around town

01:33:54 kakobrekla: dunno if xapo does much more than send out spam

01:33:59 *: asciilifeform tried to eat an avocado as starving student, found out what 50g of ants taste like.

01:34:11 BingoBoingo: Grand Am was great on the gravel roads and the freeway.

01:34:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't/didn't eat them in the states. but here they're pretty great

01:34:30 mircea_popescu: just... gotta beat the molds to it.

01:34:31 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: those things were definitely cruisers

01:34:36 *: asciilifeform dined at house of girl who liked to 'freegan' (term for fishing 'still good!11!' food out of skips)

01:34:48 mircea_popescu: skips ?!

01:35:00 ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ujDoOJXtJE

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01:35:00 asciilifeform: behind grocery stores

01:35:05 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, this was a late 90's one. Had exactly all the performance I could want or handle out of a car

01:35:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, why not go the whole distance, go live in a master's basement

01:35:46 mircea_popescu: "brahmin" culture : how to be shockingly fucktarded for no apparent reason.

01:36:28 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: wd!

01:36:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps she does now - no idea

01:36:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> asciilifeform see, why not go the whole distance, go live in a master's basement << Some homo spiens apparently idolize Procyon lotor lifestyle

01:37:32 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> 50k in debt, social sciences degree and a history of opining in the press is the qualification.

01:37:33 ben_vulpes: << 50k's a pretty low bar these days

01:37:42 ben_vulpes: that's barely a single year at a nominally high-end school

01:38:03 mircea_popescu: people at the high end schools go into finance and consulting anyway.

01:38:10 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> it'd be a sad world if white chicks were all fucktarded, << we're all born so, and either have it beaten out of us or...

01:38:16 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "nominally"

01:38:17 mircea_popescu: the average redditard dereping about women in videogames has a degree from middlesex community college.

01:38:29 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> that's barely a single year at a nominally high-end school << It isn't any particular year, but the number of consecutive years you can stack together.

01:38:37 ben_vulpes: they bill the same for choose your own adventure degrees

01:39:19 asciilifeform: most u.s. unis bill by something called 'credit hour' - loosely corresponds to 'by weight'

01:39:20 ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell vexual that's wonderful that you *can* now *may* you recommend some restaurants in syd/mel? << *would*

01:39:43 asciilifeform: with various 'mandatory fees', housing, books, etc. tacked on.

01:39:45 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> they bill the same for choose your own adventure degrees << I tried to do this and major in "reality studies" a combination of mathematics and philosophy

01:40:53 mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo does Περὶ Φύσεως

01:42:21 asciilifeform: phun phact. u.s. tuition costs are growing - exponentially.

01:42:28 asciilifeform: fat racket.

01:42:47 mircea_popescu: not really. they just follow inflation.

01:42:55 asciilifeform: the real inflation.

01:42:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Through much of my childhood I though winning was getting a cabin in the woods and simply abiding.

01:43:37 BingoBoingo: But then you get a taste of fuck and shit ain't that simple no more

01:43:51 mircea_popescu: lol

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01:43:58 mircea_popescu: !b 3

01:44:41 asciilifeform: winning was getting a cabin in the woods >> why cabin, and not plane ticket

01:46:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was but a larva, I merely wanted to exist with a minimum of external human dependent inputs and persist to a natural end.

01:46:51 asciilifeform: diametric: what was in the box ?

01:47:05 diametric: asciilifeform: a bunch of molex microfit 3 connectors

01:47:12 diametric: so i can connectorize all my things

01:47:35 asciilifeform: neato

01:48:00 *: asciilifeform rarely buys from 'digikey' these days because fat minimum order

01:48:12 cazalla: mircea_popescu, you can avoid that youtube mature login bullshit by changing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiODkiH_d0 to https://www.youtube.com/v/1uiODkiH_d0

01:48:12 assbot: Compilation Best White Girl Twerking Vines - August 2014 Part 1 - YouTube

01:48:21 diametric: i try to wait until i have a ton of things i want.

01:48:52 diametric: but i ran out of connectors a while ago and i have a few 3d printers i want to throw connectors on the tool heads so I can switch out various hotends for testing.

01:49:24 asciilifeform: diametric: molex is a bitch if you want machine-self-changing heads though

01:49:38 asciilifeform: has the retainer peg, has to be pressed

01:49:45 diametric: yeah, i don't want those for these

01:49:50 asciilifeform: aha

01:49:52 diametric: that would be cool to do on my delta though.

01:51:02 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/feds-balk-at-courts-order-to-explain-no-fly-list-selection-process/

01:51:03 assbot: Feds balk at courts order to explain no-fly list selection process | Ars Technica

01:51:23 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ujDoOJXtJE#t=212

01:51:23 assbot: NEW Best Adult Vine Compilation 2014 - YouTube

01:51:58 asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-death-of-the-gamers-and-the-women-who-killed-them

01:51:59 assbot: The death of the gamers and the women who killed them | Ars Technica

01:52:01 asciilifeform: ^ linked from above

01:52:06 asciilifeform: RIP arse technica.

01:52:45 ben_vulpes: and for mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ujDoOJXtJE#t=270

01:52:45 assbot: NEW Best Adult Vine Compilation 2014 - YouTube

01:53:06 asciilifeform: and, apparently, this http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/popular-gamers-real-life-swat-raid-livestreamed-on-twitch happened.

01:53:07 assbot: Popular gamers real-life SWAT raid livestreamed on Twitch | Ars Technica

01:53:41 decimation: diametric: I use those overpriced 'anderson powerpole' connectors for high-current dc power

01:53:50 BingoBoingo: Mexican gun laws are weird

01:54:43 decimation: re: yarvin's OV-BDH model: I'm not so sure the mob would count as Dalit, I was thinking more underclass non-black minorities

01:55:03 asciilifeform: decimation: that's specifically who mr. mold is afraid of.

01:55:13 diametric: decimation: funny enough, i've been using traxxas connectors for high-current dc myself.

01:55:19 asciilifeform: or rather - majorities

01:55:38 decimation: diametric: I bought the custom powerpole crimp tool, so I'm stuck

01:56:45 decimation: at any rate, I Yarvin's model of elite whites being allied with minorities/plebes against productive people is quite obvious. The problem is that the gig is up, the elite/underclass are the clear winners

01:57:04 BingoBoingo: How am I supposed to finance a walk through Mexico and build a war chest by picking a cartel and selling their enemy's heads to them. MOdern Role Playing Games are a lie.

01:58:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla thanks, a whole world of white girls twerking lays open to me now!

01:59:23 BingoBoingo: Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico even if the weapon is lawfully registered in your name in the United States (or any other country of residence) and even when the weapon falls under the types and calibers permitted for civilian ownership in Mexico. Unless the bearer has explicit authorization from the Secretariat of National Defense, it is illegal and punishable by law to enter Mexican territory with

01:59:23 BingoBoingo: any firearm as well as to keep and carry any firearm on your person or vehicle at any time, anywhere. These permits cannot be obtained at Mexican customs and immigration when entering Mexico. They must be obtained in advance and in possession of the bearer before any gun enters Mexico. Once entering Mexico with a gun without previous authorization from the Mexican government, a crime has been committed.[36]""

01:59:47 decimation: diametric: how much do those cost?? they look expensive

01:59:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Ar's diplomatic site has same rule, with almost identical wording

02:00:13 BingoBoingo: This just means an innocent backpacker must pick a cartel sooner to survive to guatemala

02:00:27 diametric: decimation: cheap when you but the chinese knockoffs that in my experience are the same quality.

02:00:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ars has dealers outside the capitol city though

02:00:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: presumably mexico would prefer that you 'buy local'

02:00:59 asciilifeform: support their light industry.

02:01:24 decimation: mexican gunsmiths need stimulating?

02:01:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mexico has exactly 1 retailer, equivalent of a red state ABV store

02:01:33 asciilifeform: abv ?

02:02:12 decimation: diametric: http://www.andersonpower.com/products/singlepole-connectors.html << powerpoles. can buy up to 350 amp rating!

02:02:13 assbot: Powerpole® Stackable Connector, Anderson Power Products

02:02:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Alcoholic Beverage Commision, red state relic in red states without viable businesses

02:02:57 diametric: decimation: nice.

02:03:18 diametric: most of my high amp stuff is RC related, and usually only burst up above 100 amps at any given time

02:03:26 decimation: mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap

02:04:01 diametric: though, I think my days of flying RC stuff are over. the only place i had time to do it at put up a massive fence that prevents me from retrieving my aircraft when it crashes over the field.

02:04:17 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: have ye heard tell of the OLCC?

02:04:37 mircea_popescu: <decimation> re: yarvin's OV-BDH model: I'm not so sure the mob would count as Dalit, I was thinking more underclass non-black minorities << why not ?

02:04:53 mircea_popescu: power, money and a disinterest in "theory" as pencilnecks misrepresent it.

02:04:56 asciilifeform: diametric: consider adding landing gear

02:05:00 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: OLCC?

02:05:20 BingoBoingo: Imma trying to remember a lot of abreviations

02:05:22 ben_vulpes: Oregon Liquor Control Commission

02:05:30 ben_vulpes: our local state-owned booze monopoly

02:05:34 *: asciilifeform pictured 'one-line c contest'

02:05:41 decimation: mircea_popescu: Italians generally have become 'integrated' to the degree that they are no longer looked upon as minorities

02:05:43 ben_vulpes: all hail the benevolent socialist state of oregon

02:05:44 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No, not specifically.

02:05:49 diametric: asciilifeform: maybe if i was pro at flying.

02:05:58 decimation: no doubt actual mobsters have plenty of friends in the underclasses

02:06:53 decimation: USG isn't pleased with flying robots either

02:07:09 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico << i carried a .45 all through the us customs, into mexico and back into europe. nobody gave a shit. costa rica exit checks made an older french woman throw away her clearly rare & expensive cream. i put the thing right on top of the pile, explained to the guy it's got no clip. the guy was "a ok, if it has no clip..." waved me through. woman's

02:07:09 mircea_popescu: eyes bulged about a foot.

02:07:47 mircea_popescu: decimation i dun see this entire racialist angle. it either is one thing or the other.

02:07:54 ben_vulpes: cream coulda been derpslosives tho!

02:08:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Beautiful

02:08:30 mod6: %tslb

02:08:34 mircea_popescu: now mind, i wouldn't recommend anyone try it just like that.

02:08:35 mod6: lol

02:08:39 mircea_popescu: i'm a dangerous nut to follow blindly.

02:09:05 ben_vulpes: that's not so unbelievable.

02:09:12 decimation: mircea_popescu: Here's my confusion. Yarvin would call a USG-funded professor a "brahmin", but said professor is a parasite on society, in a manner that is much more harmful than your average urban poor folk.

02:09:15 ben_vulpes: the rules for firearm handling at us airports are pretty cut-and-dried.

02:09:21 decimation: is professor a criminal or part of the overclass?

02:09:24 mod6: oh whoops

02:09:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phact. in usa, the popular 'm16/ar' rifle is not legally 'arms' if it is missing the little aluminum part that holds the clip and trigger mechanism.

02:09:34 asciilifeform: presumably ok at airport, even.

02:09:40 *: asciilifeform has not obtained and tried

02:09:45 mircea_popescu: <decimation> mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap << wut ?!

02:09:58 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: phun phact. in usa, the popular 'm16/ar' rifle is not legally 'arms' if it is missing the little aluminum part that holds the clip and trigger mechanism. << According to US definitions that part IS the rifle

02:10:03 asciilifeform: aha.

02:10:14 asciilifeform: whatever has the serial number stamp is 'the rifle'

02:10:15 asciilifeform: ancient law.

02:10:20 BingoBoingo: the lower reciever IS the rifle

02:10:29 mod6: %tslb

02:10:29 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 16 minutes

02:11:02 asciilifeform: this was the original inspiration for the 'plastic printed rifle' thing. that portion, apparently, is not exposed to gas pressure and can be made of virtually anything harder than cardboard

02:11:04 mircea_popescu: <decimation> is professor a criminal or part of the overclass? << to be a criminal he'd have to commit a crime. what's the crime here ?

02:11:20 mod6: anyway, saw this: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=175 so decided to finally try to fix this for the 3rd time. a much more simple approach now, thanks to Apocalyptic for the help.

02:11:20 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

02:11:23 decimation: robbing said urban poor folk to propagandize their children

02:11:36 mircea_popescu: um. you're playing too fast and kinda loose with the definitions.

02:11:50 mircea_popescu: what's next, capitalist profit = robbery of the workers ?

02:11:52 cazalla: coinfire are pretty lulzy, one line and i'm reelin' em in http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/26/gaw-increasing-hashlet-prices/

02:11:53 assbot: GAW Increasing Hashlet Prices Again - Coin Fire

02:13:01 cazalla: he'll step down if i request it lol

02:13:06 BingoBoingo: cazalla: The GAW thing smells so much of scam and marketing Y as X

02:13:23 decimation: mircea_popescu: I would ceratianly agree that whatever one wants to label "brahmin culture" in the us, it hasn't contributed much to global human capital

02:14:13 BingoBoingo: ;;google iggy fancy

02:14:14 gribble: Iggy Azalea - Fancy (Explicit) ft. Charli XCX - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-zpOMYRi0w; Fancy Lyrics - Iggy Azalea | MetroLyrics: http://www.metrolyrics.com/fancy-lyrics-iggy-azalea.html; Fancy (Iggy Azalea song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_(Iggy_Azalea_song)

02:14:21 kakobrekla: http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/27/romania-joins-first-bitcoin-foundation-chapter-affiliate-eastern-europe/

02:14:22 assbot: Romania Joins As First Bitcoin Foundation Chapter Affiliate in Eastern Europe - Coin Fire

02:14:22 kakobrekla: go romania

02:14:30 ben_vulpes: OLD NOOZ, KAKO

02:14:48 kakobrekla: sez latest story on dat scamsite

02:15:39 BingoBoingo: Went from being promising to scamsite so fast that one did

02:16:10 mod6: ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs X-BT.com & Nice guy, helped fix a bug in atcbot

02:16:12 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 1 to 1.

02:16:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 394 @ 0.00250208 = 0.9858 BTC [-]

02:16:30 decimation: asciilifeform: said part is called "lower receiver" http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/26/80-ar-15-receiver-determination-letter-atf/ << apparently you can only make for personal use, thus 3d printing

02:16:31 assbot: 80% AR-15 Lower Receiver Determination Letter from the ATF - The Firearm Blog

02:17:05 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're late

02:17:14 decimation: asciilifeform: no word on whether selling a cardboard cutout version would be similiarly banned

02:17:21 kakobrekla: better late than later.

02:18:23 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk

02:18:23 assbot: AZEALIA BANKS - 212 FT. LAZY JAY - YouTube

02:18:51 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: 2 different azelia's

02:19:18 mircea_popescu: !up BigBitz

02:19:19 ben_vulpes: hook from the latter "i guess that cunt gettin' eatin"

02:19:27 mircea_popescu: what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ?

02:19:34 ben_vulpes: of fucking course bingo, the latter is black and makes better music

02:19:36 mircea_popescu: !up cardigm

02:19:45 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust danielpbarron

02:19:45 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013

02:19:51 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: :)

02:19:52 asciilifeform: decimation: interesting re: linked photo set (milling on a drill press!) very 'jungle conditions'

02:20:16 asciilifeform: but loopholes work only for so long as the crown wishes.

02:20:27 mircea_popescu: decimation that for one thing. for the other, the only way to read yarvin's definition outside of "the mob" would require absolute midwestern innocence of the mob

02:20:42 decimation: asciilifeform: it's amusing to what degree folks are willing to comply with plainly idiotic usg regulations

02:20:46 mircea_popescu: as an ~urban~ institution mind you. it has nothing to do with italians, other than in the sense italians were at the time the most urban ethnic group in the us

02:21:01 asciilifeform: decimation: the more interesting thing is the belief that 'compliance' will save them from gasenwagen

02:21:14 *: decimation is innocent of the mob, in a midwestern way

02:21:22 mircea_popescu: i can tell.

02:21:23 ben_vulpes: i got my first negrating this month guys

02:21:27 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ? << My best impression is he is trying to WoT up a bunch of local acquaintances and... old tensions and dramas come forth, but I lack context to interpret severity...

02:21:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is why stuff like 1984 are so good. the fuckwit hero actually believes that o'brien is the guy to go to for the secret book.

02:21:51 mircea_popescu: i mean... what the fuck more.

02:21:52 decimation: mircea_popescu: it is rarely the case that one walks around the city finding things labeled 'mob'

02:21:59 mircea_popescu: decimation really ?

02:22:12 mircea_popescu: i would suspect it much depends on what you mean by "one".

02:22:16 asciilifeform: walks around the city finding things labeled 'mob' -- japan.

02:22:29 mircea_popescu: it's not that when i ran into the local mobsters i immediately knew. it's that they ALSO figured it out within five minutes.

02:23:04 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQOD8M6Okoc

02:23:04 assbot: Heavy Metal And Reflective (Official Music Video) - Azealia Banks - YouTube

02:23:17 mircea_popescu: the same argument could be made by a blonde twerking ditz going "it's not that she ever ran into anything labeled physics"

02:23:19 mircea_popescu: or "code"

02:24:00 decimation: asciilifeform: I find it amusing that folks with retirement accounts work so hard to 'shelter' them from taxation under the latest rules, as if usg would allow one to accumulate wealth without taking it

02:24:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what'd you do ?

02:25:03 mircea_popescu: decimation hehehe quite.

02:26:06 decimation: the latest deal is 'roth' - the deal being that if you pay taxes now, usg promises never to tax your earnings on that money again

02:26:20 decimation: I find this to be as likely as darth vader abiding by his verbal contract

02:26:23 mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : i find it amusing that folks in a quarrel with the government hire government agents to "defend" them at significant expense.

02:27:33 thestringpuller: who here is on #bitcoin-assets at dragon con

02:27:37 *: thestringpuller raises hand

02:27:41 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: negrated him for pimping pirate

02:27:52 decimation: mircea_popescu: my experience is that most fleecing of the taxpayers takes place by former gov't employees

02:28:20 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell ognasty do stop in to the channel of record and explain how i'm abusing the WoT rating system.

02:28:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:28:39 mircea_popescu: o that guy.

02:28:48 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what's a dragon con ?

02:29:58 decimation: USG doesn't allow gov't employees to have free meals or more than $20 per year in gifts from potential 'business' contacts

02:30:09 decimation: http://www.oge.gov/Topics/Gifts-and-Payments/Gifts---Payments/

02:30:10 assbot: U.S. Office of Government Ethics - Gifts & Payments

02:30:47 decimation: it is well known that the way to 'game' this system is to provide very favorable business terms to a large company, who will hire you after you 'retire' for a very large salary

02:30:57 thestringpuller: ;;google dragon con

02:30:58 gribble: Home Page | Dragoncon: http://www.dragoncon.org/; Memberships & Presales | Dragoncon: http://www.dragoncon.org/?q=membership_pre_sales; Guests | Dragoncon: http://www.dragoncon.org/?q=guests

02:31:11 thestringpuller: tl;dr; giant nerd convention

02:31:19 thestringpuller: for the south east

02:32:07 decimation: famous example: http://www.govexec.com/defense/2004/11/ex-boeing-cfo-pleads-guilty-in-air-force-procurement-scandal/18035/

02:32:08 assbot: Ex-Boeing CFO pleads guilty in Air Force procurement scandal - Defense - GovExec.com

02:32:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.274 = 0.548 BTC [-]

02:34:45 mircea_popescu: decimation "scam" only inasmuch as boeing is tbtf anyway, so without this scam it'd have had to be a different scam.

02:35:06 mircea_popescu: but having someone to scapegoat is always the preferred avenue. poor abakumov.

02:35:58 mircea_popescu: "how dares this lowly individual give boeing money we'd have given it anyway"

02:37:45 decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah that's how I read it. the taxpayers "needed" to give that money away, and plenty of 'legitimate' boeing execs will get golden parachutes, etc.

02:38:14 ben_vulpes: how was dryun coerced though?

02:39:04 decimation: ben_vulpes: you mean how did they get her to talk?

02:39:09 ben_vulpes: sure, that

02:39:34 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm now playing The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill loud enough for the bums outside the warehouse to hear

02:39:55 ben_vulpes: landlord of record has 2? 3? kw of sound equipment for my pleasure.

02:40:34 decimation: ben_vulpes: that's actually also interesting. turns out her daughter was invovled: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-04-23/business/0404230199_1_darleen-druyun-michael-sears-integrated-defense-systems

02:40:35 assbot: Daughter shielded in Boeing scandal - Chicago Tribune

02:41:22 decimation: "According to her plea agreement, Druyun contacted Sears four years ago and asked if he could arrange a Boeing job for her daughter's then-boyfriend, Michael McKee. McKee was "immediately contracted" by Sears and began working at Boeing in September 2000, the document shows."

02:41:40 ben_vulpes: i can't wrap my head around how these people would give dryuns kids jobs and not see this coming ten miles away

02:41:58 ben_vulpes: i figure this is related to why i can't make any money scamming "nobody will ever fall for that!"

02:42:25 decimation: ben_vulpes: in the world of ex-gov't employees collecting their post-employment paychecks, this was a pretty stupid case

02:43:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google Lauryn Hill nude

02:43:22 gribble: Lauryn Hill Nude Photos Leaked Online - Mediamass: http://en.mediamass.net/people/lauryn-hill/nude-pics.html; Lauryn Hill Highest-Paid Singer in the World - Mediamass: http://en.mediamass.net/people/lauryn-hill/highest-paid.html; Lauryn Hill dead 2014 : Fugees ex-lead singer killed by celebrity ...: http://en.mediamass.net/people/lauryn-hill/deathhoax.html

02:43:22 decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-20/ex-nsa-chief-pitches-advice-on-cyber-threats-to-the-banks.html << "Joining a crowded field of cyber-consultants, the former National Security Agency chief is pitching his services for as much as $1 million a month."

02:43:23 assbot: Ex-NSA Chief Pitches Banks Costly Advice on Cyber-Attacks - Bloomberg

02:43:41 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes quite miseducated.

02:44:58 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever listened to the album in question?

02:45:02 ben_vulpes: actually better question

02:45:13 ben_vulpes: do you understand black american music as sung/read/rapped?

02:45:47 *: asciilifeform allergic

02:46:24 ben_vulpes: not unexpected, asciilifeform

02:46:36 ben_vulpes: y'r also not a filthy kike

02:47:07 *: asciilifeform wonders if hybrid of 'klezmer' and 'rap' exists

02:47:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes " understand" ? i get what the words are.

02:48:04 ben_vulpes: the gypsy dubstep fusion is about as close as it gets right now

02:48:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Unholy hybrid, ear plugs recommended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM

02:48:08 assbot: Taylor Swift - Shake It Off - YouTube

02:48:42 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: on a first listen?

02:48:59 mircea_popescu: yes, on a first listen. but i'm culturally rigid enough to generally regard the entire thing as you know... little more than children babbling.

02:49:24 mircea_popescu: "o look how cute, he could almost say compunction in spite of his oversized lips"

02:49:30 ben_vulpes: hue

02:49:51 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: beats antique is sort of in the genre of mention

02:50:00 decimation: a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years?

02:50:23 mircea_popescu: decimation the white hierarchy supporting society collapsed ?

02:50:34 asciilifeform: how << entropy?

02:52:32 BingoBoingo: <decimation> a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? << CIA corruption

02:53:35 mircea_popescu: how does the french underground go from rengaine to "Irreversible" ?

02:53:49 mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot.

02:54:21 mircea_popescu: (if you've not seen that film btw... you might have to. possibly worst film ever made + 10 minutes of monica belucci being raped in the dirt)

02:57:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but anyway, the point was that inasmuch as she's not published her cunt her education is quite appalingly poor.

02:58:01 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/8becd406-e80b-4e13-bc29-81c6ace8f8f4

02:58:02 assbot: Release group Blind Threshold by Beats Antique - MusicBrainz

02:58:34 asciilifeform: what's that

02:58:51 ben_vulpes: a sample of some horrible modern klezmer techno

02:58:56 ben_vulpes: "klezmer"

02:58:59 ben_vulpes: "techno"

02:59:04 ben_vulpes: listener beware

02:59:08 ben_vulpes: ears may bleed etc

02:59:16 ben_vulpes: us kids get down, tho

03:01:50 decimation: "white hierarchy collapsed" << seems legit. I blame complacency & wealth that came after the destruction of WWII

03:02:05 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUByZb1CkXM

03:02:05 assbot: Edith PIAF Dans ma rue - YouTube

03:02:27 BingoBoingo: <decimation> "white hierarchy collapsed" << seems legit. I blame complacency & wealth that came after the destruction of WWII << ALso the decades of persistent paranoia through the cold war

03:02:32 mircea_popescu: there's no strength to be had among people whose history isn't thus described.

03:08:47 decimation: re: cold war paranoia: in retrospect, I think the paranoia was for midwestern kulaks, the elites were all "anti-"communists, in the sense that they thought that the soviet union wasn't "real" communism. Those elites didn't mind sending said kulaks to die in various foreign adventures though.

03:11:57 BingoBoingo: decimation: The paranoia shapes the discourse though, as well as the range of possible public discourse. A the end of the Cold War the Soviet block got to purge that, but the "West" had to redirect it to prop their system up.

03:11:58 mircea_popescu: now that's an interesting point.

03:11:58 BingoBoingo: The US government won by persisting, Eastern Bloc People qon by quitting the conflict.

03:11:58 BingoBoingo: *won

03:11:58 decimation: BingoBoingo: agreed. The same "anti-"communists now hate Putin because he represents everything they hated about Soviet fascism. This is why usg has such an irrational policy vis-a-vie Russia

03:20:41 BingoBoingo: It's also why the War on Drugs got all of the Military and Propaganda department support in 1992, and why the enshrinement of 9/11 so rapidly took little time.

03:20:42 BingoBoingo: Were there really that much of a backstock of American Flag Lapel pins just waiting for such a crisis?

03:20:42 decimation: absolutely, the cold war defense complex was aimlessly looking for a 'mission'

03:20:43 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as bitcoin is a lot more fascist than stalin ever got... i guess prepare for a helluva lot o' love.

03:20:44 decimation: http://www.davemanuel.com/images/graphs/us_military_spending_1962-2015.gif

03:20:44 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what do you mean by "fascist" in this context?

03:20:44 ben_vulpes: decimation: now normalize it against m3 ;)

03:20:44 decimation: ben_vulpes: or gold :)

03:20:44 ben_vulpes: no gold's bullshit as an index due to its captivity in government vaults and its absurd inflation via notes

03:20:44 *: BingoBoingo wonders as a lifelong USian what professions might exist in actual economies

03:20:44 ben_vulpes: i'll let you know if i ever figure it out

03:20:44 decimation: so was m3. it is interesting that it was discontinued right before it would have gone up hockey-stick style http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/discm3.htm

03:20:46 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, my business' sole selling point is "we're not fucking retarded and won't flake on you as soon as something more shiny comes along"

03:20:46 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'm approaching this problem though as someone dropping into a culture as a full time n00b

03:20:46 ben_vulpes: with a heavy dose of "also we can handle with a fair degree of politeness anyone in your business who feels compelled to comment on the quality of our work"

03:20:46 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: for the poor student - what is a real economy?

03:21:25 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, socialism is the misguided expectation/belief that the problems of the individual will be resolved by the group.

03:21:42 mircea_popescu: fascism is exactly the opposite : the misguided expectation/belief that the problems of the group will be resolved by an individual.

03:22:55 ben_vulpes: that's a tidy duality.

03:23:04 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: for the poor student - what is a real economy? << One that doesn't resemble the dating environment in a prison

03:23:19 mircea_popescu: hint : the group doesn't actually exist, not in any way meaningful on the plane where the individuals do. consequently, both these come up with pretty contorted and quickly insane misrepresentations of the group

03:23:21 mircea_popescu: "to make it work"

03:24:08 decimation: yes, it's useful anyway. By that definition, the usg 'anti-communists' I mentioned above are quite simply socialists with a beef against the soviets

03:24:45 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what distinguishes 'socialism' from 'communism'?

03:25:24 BingoBoingo: decimation> yes, it's useful anyway. By that definition, the usg 'anti-communists' I mentioned above are quite simply socialists with a beef against the soviets << I dunno any other explanation for Patton's political positions.

03:25:57 BingoBoingo: "temperature?"

03:31:15 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes poverty.

03:31:16 ben_vulpes: i mean i have no clue. perhaps communism is just a thing that the us progpagandacrats came up with to point at to distract the proles from that as what was going on on the daily at home

03:31:16 mircea_popescu: no, communists are poor socialists

03:31:16 mircea_popescu: socialists are rich communists.

03:31:16 mircea_popescu: it's like, what's the difference between phase 2 and phase 4 lymphoma ?

03:31:16 mircea_popescu: the wheel chair.

03:31:16 ben_vulpes: in the "socialize the losses, privitize the gains"?

03:31:16 ben_vulpes: (sense of)

03:31:16 ben_vulpes: yeah.

03:31:17 ben_vulpes: on a radically different topic (if nobody minds), when miscellaneous computerboxen tell me "falling back to teletype" is that a reference to the Teletype Corporation of the thirties?

03:31:17 mircea_popescu: which is exactly why union of SOCIALIST republics / chinese COMMUNIST party.

03:31:17 mircea_popescu: tty

03:31:17 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's like, what's the difference between phase 2 and phase 4 lymphoma ? << The chance of addessing the problem completely with a knife and some anti-folates?

03:31:17 decimation: heh, no teletype is an old-school method of transmitting ascii/baudot from a computer/remote station to your 'terminal'

03:31:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo inasmuch as you know that there's a phase 4, you also know your addressing didn't work.

03:31:17 decimation: terminal being in this case a kind of typewriter that can be remotely controlled

03:31:17 ben_vulpes: is this one of those "tar" -> "tape archive" things?

03:31:17 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah, i figured tty was involved but what does that first 't' stand for?

03:31:18 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleprinter

03:31:18 assbot: Teleprinter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:31:18 ben_vulpes: teletype, which...ancient transmission of text hardware?

03:31:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah this problem again...

03:31:18 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yep

03:31:18 ben_vulpes: lol decimation i have that precise url open right now already

03:31:18 ben_vulpes: man!

03:31:18 ben_vulpes: computers are fascinating devices.

03:31:18 ben_vulpes: there's like 80 years of decisions in this thing.

03:31:18 decimation: traditionally one uses frequency-shift keying over radio to send these characters, using a restricted character set

03:31:18 ben_vulpes: frequency shit keying...

03:31:18 *: ben_vulpes googles frantically

03:32:19 decimation: (for radio teletype (rtty))

03:34:10 ben_vulpes: my mother once wrote her articles on a 4 line typewriter-cum-puter thing

03:34:12 ben_vulpes: there were 4 lines of lcd (or maybe only 2, i was a wee one at the time) and then transmitted them to the poo-snaper via fax iirc

03:34:13 decimation: this is what the german wwii enciphered RTTY machines looked like:

03:34:13 decimation: http://www.ticomarchive.com/iv-case-studies/geheimschreiber-t-52

03:34:14 assbot: FISH and the Jellyfish Convoy - TICOM Archive

03:34:49 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo inasmuch as you know that there's a phase 4, you also know your addressing didn't work. << You know sometimes this works a la Dallas. Sometimes this doesn't like Dennis Rodman.

03:35:45 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=760175.0 << This GAW thing seems more and more dangerous... to idiots

03:35:45 assbot: Watch out for GawMiners, ZenCloud, ZenMiner.. PONZI Scheme!

03:37:52 decimation: ben_vulpes: that was probably a word processor like this: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/wang2200a/

03:38:25 decimation: interestingly these early TTY machines did not use ascii, they used something like baudot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code

03:38:25 assbot: Baudot code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:39:03 decimation: 26 letters + 10 numbers = 36, which is 4 more than 2^5, unfortunately. so there were many schemes for attempting to 'squeeze' 36 (plus control chars) into 5 bits

03:39:42 ben_vulpes: i can't even imagine a world in which bits are expensive

03:41:26 BingoBoingo: Handegg season has begun http://deadspin.com/eastern-illinois-minnesota-featured-a-three-yard-punt-a-1628288919

03:41:26 assbot: Eastern Illinois-Minnesota Featured A Three-Yard Punt And Dick Punch

03:42:32 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/propaganda-and-lack-thereof.html << for aficionados

03:42:32 assbot: ClubOrlov: Propaganda and the lack thereof

03:42:40 decimation: ben_vulpes: I can. see ascii's blockchain teleprinter

03:46:34 decimation: asciilifeform: it is amusing to watch Russia call the west's bluff on this matter

03:46:51 decimation: obviously Putin et.al. are convinced that any western opposition is going to be weak and divided. I suspect he even has tacit approval from Germany

03:49:02 asciilifeform: early TTY machines did not use ascii << try as they might, couldn't have - ascii was standardized in '63.

03:49:29 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I skipped over ITA2

03:49:55 asciilifeform: and, in some dark corners, 'ebcdic' still lives.

03:50:05 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

03:50:05 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.16, Best ask: 507.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 506.13, 24 hour volume: 5739.72400649, 24 hour low: 503.82, 24 hour high: 514.98, 24 hour vwap: 509.552307541

03:50:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://fraudsters.com/2012/orgia-studenteasca/ < ever read this one ?

03:50:06 assbot: Orgia studenteasca pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:50:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not yet!

03:51:39 asciilifeform: can't even imagine a world in which bits are expensive >> program a fifty-cent microcontroller

03:51:52 asciilifeform: or soviet calculator. etc

03:52:10 decimation: asciilifeform: or try bouncing some bits off the moon

03:52:55 asciilifeform: why stop there. consider cost of, e.g., cnc machining, 'bitwise.'

03:53:30 decimation: asciilifeform: as in machining a plate carrying said bits, or the bits required to control the machine?

03:53:54 asciilifeform: the latter

03:54:06 asciilifeform: and of course the costliest bits: mistaken ones.

03:55:20 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea that there's more than one peoples reading romanian encourages me. im writing a large piece now and ima link a ton of good romanian material, all quite relevant and i imagine a lot moire instructive to teh english native than the romanian.

03:56:10 decimation: asciilifeform: Taleb would say that some bit redundancy is probably a good idea

03:56:10 *: asciilifeform wonders what fraction of google's 'translate' load mircea_popescu's site accounts for.

03:57:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it's how this international thing works in its actually useful incarnations.

03:57:34 *: asciilifeform suspects that costliest telegraph bits, not including his 'blockchaintelegraph', were the american 'elf' naval transmitter - before the latter was scrapped for cost reasons

03:57:36 mircea_popescu: indeed.

03:58:49 asciilifeform: (rumour has it that it was obsoleted by a clever satellite downlink employing laser)

03:59:27 BingoBoingo: To most Norte Americanos even UK English is as foreign to them as any Romance Language as the vocaulary on its own is an insurmountable barrier even before approaching grammar

04:00:30 asciilifeform: ;;google project sanguine

04:00:30 gribble: Project Sanguine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sanguine; BLDGBLOG: Project Sanguine and the Dead Hand: http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/project-sanguine-and-dead-hand.html; the world's largest “radio” station - UW High Energy Physics: http://www.hep.wisc.edu/~prepost/ELF.pdf

04:00:48 decimation: asciilifeform: that 'websdr' page allows you to listen to existing elf/vlf transmitters like DHO38 (it comes in loud and strong) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLF_transmitter_DHO38

04:00:48 assbot: VLF transmitter DHO38 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

04:01:38 decimation: decoding the enciphered stream is an exercise for the interested reader :)

04:04:13 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/2012/orgia-studenteasca/ << Grammar here is very... "Gymnastic"

04:04:14 assbot: Orgia studenteasca pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:07:05 decimation: asciilifeform: there's also the "HAARP" http://vlf.stanford.edu/pubs/multi-hop-whistler-mode-elfvlf-signals-and-triggered-emissions-excited-haarp-hf-heater

04:07:07 assbot: Multi-hop whistler-mode ELF/VLF signals and triggered emissions excited by the HAARP HF heater | Stanford VLF Group

04:07:15 asciilifeform: HAARP << defunct, if i recall

04:07:46 asciilifeform: ^ was used at least as much for academwankage as for any military purpose.

04:07:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo indeed.

04:07:54 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, I think you are right http://www.arrl.org/news/haarp-facility-shuts-down << hams hated it because of the HF spam

04:07:55 assbot: HAARP Facility Shuts Down

04:07:56 *: asciilifeform once inhabited an office with a mostly complete set of haarp manuals

04:08:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ was used at least as much for academwankage as for any military purpose. << Academewagen

04:10:03 decimation: "HAARP put the world on notice two years ago that it would be shutting down and did not submit a budget request for FY 15, Keeney said, “but no one paid any attention.” Now, he says, they’re complaining. “People came unglued,” Keeney said, noting that he’s already had inquiries from Congress. Universities that depended upon HAARP research grants also are upset, he said."

04:10:17 decimation: "we deserve free money in exchange for derp"

04:10:49 asciilifeform: decimation: more like 'mr derp's corner derp shop remains funded, why not us'

04:14:38 asciilifeform: ;;google golden fleece award

04:14:38 gribble: Golden Fleece Award - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece_Award; William Proxmire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Proxmire; What Proxmire's Golden fleece Did For--And To--Science | The ...: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/10030/title/What-Proxmire-s-Golden-fleece-Did-For (1 more message)

04:16:14 decimation: perhaps said Congressmen could find a few hundred welfare recipients of various kinds to give up their benefits for ionospheric research

04:16:23 asciilifeform: lol

04:17:29 asciilifeform: usa is a circus for the eternal war between welfare leeches with degrees and ones without

04:17:35 mircea_popescu: ^

04:18:17 decimation: of course I would rank haarp research far above most social science derpage, at least they are building stuff, trying ideas

04:18:36 asciilifeform: built. tried.

04:18:49 decimation: good point.

04:19:01 asciilifeform: it was also good flypaper for envirowhiners

04:19:04 decimation: like all gov't programs, nothing ever dies

04:19:09 asciilifeform: who were freed up now to climatederp

04:20:42 asciilifeform: (idea of pumping the ionosphere to solve the 'mains socket in your pocket' problem is quite old. dates to at least n. tesla.)

04:20:46 decimation: the us is too poor to afford leeches who climatederp all day

04:21:55 decimation: the ionosphere is a worthy research target, I'm just not sure a giant HF transmitter will help much in unraveling its secrets

04:22:06 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/btc-e-bitcoin-exchange-security/

04:23:25 asciilifeform: electric airplane, laser pistol, etc. would be neat.

04:24:08 decimation: it's just too bad that batteries are so terrible

04:24:46 asciilifeform: arguably even the concept of a 'good' battery has fundamental problems

04:24:54 asciilifeform: (fast discharge - explode.)

04:25:10 asciilifeform: the one known solution is called... fuels.

04:25:15 asciilifeform: we use them.

04:26:25 decimation: yeah it's hard to get much more 'nano' than ripping apart hydrocarbons for energy

04:27:21 asciilifeform: not a 'sexy' answer. no grantola for decimation.

04:28:54 decimation: I once spoke with an ee prof who explained that he had to justify his error correction/information theory research in terms of helping poor minorities

04:29:19 asciilifeform: never read grant applications. 'you can't unread it.'

04:29:55 decimation: one wonders about the brain-damaged minions employed by usg to oversee such things

04:30:42 asciilifeform: the braindamage is baked in. a hypothetical set of intelligent minions would just despair and fellate their pistols.

04:31:27 decimation: or take a well-paid sinecure in 'industry'

04:31:28 mircea_popescu: <decimation> the us is too poor to afford leeches who climatederp all day << they doin';t really cost as much as all that.

04:31:53 decimation: mircea_popescu: in the 'street beggar' sense?

04:32:08 mircea_popescu: decimation suppose you meet one of them, and you really like each other.

04:32:13 mircea_popescu: can she afford to come over for a fuck ?

04:32:45 decimation: so their cost is well distributed among the population (group)

04:33:02 mircea_popescu: seems to me if she can't even afford to get fucked she must be pretty damned cheap.

04:33:38 mircea_popescu: self-projected pretense to the contrary notwithstanding

04:34:19 mircea_popescu: (and for a needed counterbalance in all the "onoes pesos" derpage : argentinian hipster chick - mostly can)

04:34:26 decimation: I suspect half of the 'occupy' protesters were either unpaid 'interns' or students living on mommy's stipend

04:34:26 asciilifeform: can she afford to come over for a fuck >> in usa, transport is massively subsidized (see earlier discussions re: silicon valley & slave labour for why)

04:34:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only justified transport.

04:34:43 asciilifeform: so pretty much everyone imagines that they merit a personal box on wheels, and carries on living the pretense

04:35:05 ben_vulpes: these wheelboxen drive me insane

04:35:07 decimation: usg does much to encourage this notion among the masses

04:35:13 ben_vulpes: get on a bike.

04:35:16 ben_vulpes: push your meat around.

04:35:24 ben_vulpes: quit wasting precious hydrocarbons ffs

04:35:27 asciilifeform: to the point that, ask american, what he will do immediately prior to starving, he'll answer - 'live in car'

04:35:46 asciilifeform: this scenario actually plays out routinely

04:35:56 decimation: definitely, it's easy to find 'car bums'

04:36:11 asciilifeform: in that folks will liquidate their dwelling, clothes, etc. - to fuel the beast.

04:36:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw this yes.

04:36:33 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a transition in the lifecycle

04:36:35 asciilifeform: (for the psychiatric rumunations re: how & why - straight to herr orlov)

04:37:20 asciilifeform: there even exist special grounds devoted to shanty towns where people live in (normally engine-less) trailers.

04:37:34 decimation: there is something deeply weird about the average usian's compunction to get in a car to go 1/2 mile

04:38:05 decimation: like, the entire population is ready for some weird road warrior future maybe?

04:38:31 asciilifeform: war - required fuel.

04:39:26 *: asciilifeform can't help but remember that atrocious film, where the last remaining tanker, still full, inhabited by motorcycle (!) gang, which smokes.

04:40:23 asciilifeform: ^ 'water world.'

04:40:53 decimation: heh that was a terrible movie, vague remember that part.

04:41:08 decimation: I remember when that movie came out it was big news how terrible it was

04:41:17 decimation: somehow all the terrible movies today don't make the same news

04:41:36 asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that it broke records for cost

04:42:07 decimation: "nobody knows anything"

04:42:32 decimation: indeed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_films

04:42:32 assbot: List of most expensive films - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

04:43:29 decimation: at least 80% of the movies on that list are turds. goes to show that money doesn't buy shit in hollywood

04:44:28 asciilifeform: in modern usa, any 'mega-project' - whether film, golden airplane, whatever - is at least partially a 'laundry.'

04:46:20 decimation: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-marvel-became-envy-scourge-720363

04:46:21 assbot: How Marvel Became the Envy (and Scourge) of Hollywood

04:46:41 asciilifeform: mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work

04:46:45 decimation: "Then came one of the most spectacular eight-film runs in history, with a combined gross of $6.1 billion for Marvel Studios movies. But the 71-year-old Perlmutter hasn't mellowed. Under his tightfisted management, Marvel has become one of the most admired, envied and, in some quarters, resented entertainment companies. The 300-employee outfit has thrived despite insistence on ever-stricter creative controls and a reputation for

04:46:46 decimation: extreme cheapness that strikes many accustomed to old-school industry dealings as disrespectful."

04:47:07 asciilifeform: e.g., a faux 'startup' will distribute bezzlars by creating 'leadership positions' for high-born idiots to occupy

04:47:28 decimation: asciilifeform: the purpose being to attract more bezzle funding?

04:47:33 asciilifeform: why the latter can't draw the bezzlars straight from the 'printing press' - ask them, not me

04:48:03 asciilifeform: purpose is to 'wash' the bezzlars and maintain 'merit' illusion for the lumpens to swallow

04:48:11 asciilifeform: at least, according to church

04:48:22 asciilifeform: (i haven't a more parsimonious hypothesis)

04:48:48 decimation: which would partially explain why the midwestern kulaks flock to silicon valley to pay to work for google et. al.

04:50:04 decimation: "Perlmutter is not featured on Disney's website (conversely, the heads of its Pixar and Lucasfilm divisions are), but he has shown no sign of relaxing on fiscal control simply because Marvel has become part of a big conglomerate. "

04:50:12 asciilifeform: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << that one

04:50:13 assbot: Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church

04:50:32 asciilifeform: or maybe it was another

04:50:34 decimation: Taleb would probably say that being cheap is antifragile, the less you spend the lower your risk and the more likely random events will pay off

04:51:39 decimation: asciilifeform: it's a good theory, but it pretty much goes along the lines of "you go to harvard so you can be roommates with the billionaires' son"

04:53:06 asciilifeform: church's version is more like 'you go to harvard if you're the billionaire's son and need to be merit-washed before being awarded your crown grant - or if you're an idiot, took bait, had parents with good credit'

04:54:03 asciilifeform: 'merit-washing' is a real thing, even if herr church pulled it fortuitously out of own arse

04:54:28 asciilifeform: consider the career of, e.g, senator j. mccain.

04:55:31 decimation: he was in some ways fortunate to end up in the hanoi hilton

04:55:46 asciilifeform: rumour has it that he crashed virtually every machine he had the misfortune to sit in

04:55:57 asciilifeform: and may even have destroyed a ship (own goal)

04:56:10 decimation: unsurprising given his obviously random & hotheaded nature

04:58:05 asciilifeform: a more fanciful rumour is that the character 'launchpad mcquack' in disney's 'duck tales' cartoon - who crashes every machine he sits in - was based on herr mccain.

04:58:34 decimation: "Their [VC's] ability to coast, and to fund suboptimal founders, rests on the fact that no one is paying attention to whether they do their jobs well, the assumption being that we (technologists) will stay on their manor, passively keeping our heads down and saying, “politics is someone else’s job; I just want to solve hard problems.”"

04:58:36 asciilifeform: though he doesn't appear as a commander

04:58:51 decimation: asciilifeform: I hadn't heard that one, hilarious

04:59:28 asciilifeform: church (evidently in some other piece, forget which) likens the vc circus to the process whereby american 'pop musicians' are industrially manufactured by, among other outfits, disney corp.

04:59:57 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire << LOL I didn't realize it was Mccain's plane that fired the missile

04:59:57 assbot: 1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05:00:05 asciilifeform: where a well-born (though not always - gotta have the lumpenbait) hack is carefully groomed, lipstick is put on the sow, is heavily advertised, 'a star' is made

05:00:28 decimation: groomers rake in bank over the hype and then move on...

05:01:53 asciilifeform: and in the process, 'merit-washed' bezzlars are distributed into the preordained pockets.

05:02:38 asciilifeform: this is how the anglo 'nobility' solved the primogeniture problem.

05:02:58 asciilifeform: they don't bequeath their fortunes/lands/etc in the traditional way

05:03:12 decimation: oh I misread the wiki article, mccain's plane was the probable 'victim'

05:03:19 asciilifeform: (and were happy to have this taxed out of existence to zap the 'middle')

05:04:19 decimation: asciilifeform: so you are saying that the landed barons would 'ensure' that their eldest sons were worthy - or fail to inherit?

05:05:09 asciilifeform: different point - that the modern 'nobles' finessed the problem of having a finite fiefdom to bequeath

05:05:35 asciilifeform: (and necessarily subdivide into insignificance or follow primogeniture)

05:06:02 asciilifeform: problem is solved using a device called a bezzlar.

05:06:08 mircea_popescu: * BingoBoingo wonders as a lifelong USian what professions might exist in actual economies <<< here's one. while sitting idly after a dinner of delicious empanadas, i did the math with the girls. the profit selling them in the street (like people do)'d have been 5 to 10 pesos a pop. any one of them could have easily cleared 2-3-5k pesos a day, more than enough to live by.

05:06:20 asciilifeform: and the above hypothesis concerns one of the mechanisms for disbursing bezzlars in a 'socially acceptable' way.

05:06:20 mircea_popescu: there's no "profession" in the real world, just skill ability and utility.

05:08:25 asciilifeform: decimation: are you surprised that the official story has mccain as a bystander ?

05:09:15 decimation: asciilifeform: no, and all of the documentaries I've seen on the subject failed to mention his involvement

05:09:41 asciilifeform: 'wouldn't do - polite society!'

05:11:06 decimation: the thing is, Admiral McCain probably didn't have to issue any special instructions to 'finesse' the investigation, the investigators probably all thought it would be a brilliant plan

05:11:24 asciilifeform: special instruction are rarely needed.

05:11:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's this sort of thing I've wondered about. The proverbial "hotdog stand" where a person serves good tacos al pastor or canitas in urbanity.

05:11:56 mircea_popescu: yup

05:12:02 asciilifeform: most muppets know just what to do, without being spoken to - like athletes on a multinational sporting team.

05:12:13 mircea_popescu: and the thing is, if police hassles you, which is unlikely in the first place, yo ucan just give them one

05:12:19 mircea_popescu: it's not a bribe per se. it';s a PROOF.

05:12:25 mircea_popescu: ie, if your shit's good you can stay.

05:13:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546863

05:13:48 assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:01:37; asciilifeform: 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot'

05:13:59 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880

05:14:00 assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am

05:17:22 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Alternate idea is rent some space and run a "business center" where the presence of a Gringo can radiate Norte Americano sitcoinness upon their internet browsing

05:17:31 decimation: working for the democratic police, democratic gov't, etc is always going to be a raw deal

05:18:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doubt that'll work.

05:18:29 decimation: if you actually have skills and are worth your wages, the lumpens will hate with envy. There's no one 'in charge' to decide who gets to be paid well and who gets to be fired

05:20:49 decimation: mircea_popescu: your point a few days ago: how much would you have to pay your enemy to help you in a time of need is apropos

05:21:38 mircea_popescu: tis a problme.

05:22:25 asciilifeform: 'feminglish' has a term, 'frienemy', for what is essentially a symbiotic enemy. what's that? see, e.g., microshit bailing out apple corp. in the '90s.

05:22:42 asciilifeform: this kind of 'enemy' - you pay, and cherish - because without him, nothing.

05:23:28 decimation: asciilifeform: but microsoft only needed apple to save themselves from usg's monopoly busting agencies

05:23:51 asciilifeform: not necessarily.

05:24:10 asciilifeform: usg is learning the cost of letting its cherished frienemy pop

05:24:31 decimation: what? the ukraine?

05:24:38 asciilifeform: ussr

05:25:24 *: asciilifeform recently ran into the fellow who once used to own the place he lives in. the man lamented how his belt tightened when ussr popped - was 'sovietologist' of a kind

05:25:56 decimation: I suspect much of the upper dod management are 'old sovietologists'

05:26:14 decimation: they were the least likely to find a 'job' in industry

05:26:36 asciilifeform: but this connects here not from the starvation of 'sovietologists', but the dismal fate of every 'coke' who loses his 'pepsi'

05:26:56 asciilifeform: the proverbial deer on the island where last wolf dies, etc.

05:27:51 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo doubt that'll work. << If anything seems like it has greater capitol requirements and a lesser return than slinging carnitas

05:28:05 decimation: like haarp, the ussr provided a ready excuse for all kinds of usg spending

05:28:23 asciilifeform: or, the traditional explanation for how italy went from an interesting place to pesthold (unification. warring states - think. unified empire - stagnates)

05:29:52 *: asciilifeform might ruminate re: u.s. collapse as an autoimmune pathology, but must go to bed.

05:30:45 decimation: yeah me too, but that's an interesting thought, and I think it is visible with this ukraine business

05:34:39 pete_dushenski: !s migraine

05:34:40 assbot: 6 results for 'migraine' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=migraine

05:35:03 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802814

05:35:03 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 13:50:52; mircea_popescu: nubbins` reminds me of the woman that claimed she can'tr fuck because migraine

05:35:51 pete_dushenski: so s/migraines with "sad" and "hormones"

05:36:09 pete_dushenski: that card had been played before, and it had worked before

05:36:17 pete_dushenski: but not ce soir.

05:36:25 pete_dushenski: result? "i love you"

05:36:28 pete_dushenski: win.

05:37:15 pete_dushenski: it's like i'm becoming a man or something. feels good.

05:39:30 pete_dushenski: decimation: mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap << now it's all skinny jeans, flanel shirts, piercings, tats, and drinking from mason jars

05:40:12 decimation: pete_dushenski: which is interestingly close to 'redneck', generally the hipster's enemy

05:40:45 pete_dushenski: it's definitely a hybrid between the two

05:41:08 pete_dushenski: "now that mason jars are on top, now that my fellow executives and I are goddamn beverage conquistadors, we’re going to enjoy this cocaine-fueled rocket ride for as long as it lasts. I’m blasting off to fucking Mars, dicksuckers, and I’m headed straight through the belly of the goddamn sun!" - James E. Lillie, CEO, Ball Mason Jars

05:41:12 pete_dushenski: http://www.theonion.com/articles/were-going-to-enjoy-this-cocainefueled-mason-jar-r,36779/

05:41:13 assbot: Were Going To Enjoy This Cocaine-Fueled Mason Jar Rocket Ride For As Long As It Lasts | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

05:44:14 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: all hail the benevolent socialist state of oregon << ontario, biggest province, has this as well. since gm and ford went to mexico this is the only thing keeping their head above water.

05:45:23 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico << i carried a .45 all through the us customs, into mexico and back into europe. nobody gave a shit. << dayum. did they even check the chamber?

05:45:33 pete_dushenski: well i guess there's xrays

05:47:48 midnightmagic: flannel :)

05:49:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/of-mendacity-mold-bugs-and-other-things/

05:51:12 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: negrated him for pimping pirate << meh. i got the same shit from usagi. it's a badge of honour nao

05:54:50 pete_dushenski: decimation: a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? << dad, is that you in there?

05:55:26 pete_dushenski: must've heard 1000x about "real black people's music"

05:56:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. << i thought the point of surrendering was precisely so that this didn't happen, as it did in ww1, n'est pas?

06:02:59 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: inasmuch as bitcoin is a lot more fascist than stalin ever got... i guess prepare for a helluva lot o' love. << cuddles and hugs for everyone!

06:04:19 mircea_popescu: lol

06:05:13 danielpbarron: !up Beyond_Bitcoin

06:05:19 Beyond_Bitcoin: what is bitcoin assets all about?

06:05:30 Beyond_Bitcoin: there we go thats a good start ;)

06:05:34 mircea_popescu: Beyond_Bitcoin bitcoin.

06:05:48 Beyond_Bitcoin: cool you have a little freenode up and running

06:06:05 danielpbarron: ;;rate Beyond_Bitcoin 1 https://twitter.com/Beyond_Bitcoin

06:06:06 assbot: ben keyhotee (Beyond_Bitcoin) auf Twitter

06:06:06 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

06:06:09 Beyond_Bitcoin: thanks for that, but i mean the "assets" part

06:07:10 danielpbarron: a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality.

06:07:25 Beyond_Bitcoin: with regard to bitcoin

06:08:10 danielpbarron: things and people who are useful or valuable to bitcoin

06:08:28 Beyond_Bitcoin: this is a cool little deal you've got going here

06:08:52 Beyond_Bitcoin: i like the links up top to your blog(s)

06:09:40 danielpbarron: what is beyond bitcoin?

06:10:07 Beyond_Bitcoin: an umbrella term

06:10:16 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or, the traditional explanation for how italy went from an interesting place to pesthold (unification. warring states - think. unified empire - stagnates) << this is not a very good explanation.

06:10:43 mircea_popescu: the better explanation is that continental bureaucracy went from inept to able, and so the charles that once was content to just fuck the best whores in venice as a prize for his winnings

06:10:51 mircea_popescu: soon decided he wants to administer the place instead.

06:11:22 Beyond_Bitcoin: essentially it is a platform for low barrier to setting up/attending virtual event

06:11:41 Beyond_Bitcoin: excuse me: Low barrier to entry*

06:11:58 pete_dushenski: Beyond_Bitcoin: the barrier to entry isn't as low as it used to be

06:12:42 pete_dushenski: #b-a now employs the +v model whereby you have to have a gpg registered identity and a rating from someone already in the club

06:12:49 TheNewDeal: that's fluffypony's email << priceless

06:12:52 Beyond_Bitcoin: we have a Mumble server setup so anyone can set up their own dev hangouts, meetups and other events...invite crypto-enthusiasts and journalists to attend the events, record in real time without paying entry fees or having to travel long distances

06:13:23 pete_dushenski: Beyond_Bitcoin: and how's that going?

06:13:25 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. << i thought the point of surrendering was precisely so that this didn't happen, as it did in ww1, n'est pas? <<< maybe. who's to know.

06:13:45 pete_dushenski: fair enough

06:13:53 Beyond_Bitcoin: actually not bad. i personally focus on bitshares but the server is open to others who like different tech

06:14:05 RagnarDanneskjol: oh no not bitshares

06:14:18 mircea_popescu: !s bitshares

06:14:18 assbot: 21 results for 'bitshares' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitshares

06:14:32 Beyond_Bitcoin: actually bitshares itself is far better than most people think

06:14:52 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/Beyond_Bitcoin/status/504603208858488832

06:14:54 assbot: /hashtag/BitsharesX?src=hash is proof that cryptocurrency developers have no grasp of basic economics. I'm kinda embarrassed for Larimer.

06:15:38 Beyond_Bitcoin: actually daniel...thanks

06:15:44 Beyond_Bitcoin: that link pretty much sums it up

06:16:04 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: have you read de maistre?

06:16:10 Beyond_Bitcoin: link?

06:16:23 Beyond_Bitcoin: i am not only talking about bitsharesx btw..

06:16:30 Beyond_Bitcoin: it is important to make that distinction

06:16:38 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski have not

06:16:46 BingoBoingo: Why all of this making logs when Imma trying to read fraudsters?

06:16:58 mircea_popescu: unless you mean lemaitre ?

06:17:27 Beyond_Bitcoin: with that said, if you look at cryptocurrencies as towns...bitcoin is one of the only ones with any semblance of infrastructure that accepts it.

06:17:35 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a i do not. i only ask because de maistre came up in britannica's articles on fascism.

06:17:52 Beyond_Bitcoin: sure there are a few coins that have a few interesting ways of paying for stuff, but all altcoins are relatively "ghost towns"

06:18:19 Beyond_Bitcoin: reallly have no reason to be valuable because they cannot really be easily transferred for services of value.

06:18:21 mircea_popescu: <Beyond_Bitcoin> invite crypto-enthusiasts and journalists to attend the events, record in real time without paying entry fees or having to travel long distances <<< so was there an actual journalist ?

06:18:38 TheNewDeal: it's better than shit?

06:18:50 Beyond_Bitcoin: define "actual journalist"

06:19:06 mircea_popescu: someone who doesn't write crap for free.

06:19:42 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i guess now ima have to fill this hole.

06:20:01 Beyond_Bitcoin: damn man...that is kind of tough. almost like diane feinstein saying "bloggers aren't journalists and shouldn't have 1st amendment protections"

06:20:24 mircea_popescu: !s reutersemily

06:20:24 assbot: 235 results for 'reutersemily' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reutersemily

06:20:48 mircea_popescu: i don't recall all the others. this chick stuck because she was uniquely sensible.

06:21:00 pete_dushenski: "Maistre, writing in The St. Petersburg Dialogues that 'all power, all subordination rests on the executioner: he is the horror and the bond of human association. Remove this incomprehensible agent from the world, and the very moment order gives way to chaos, thrones topple, and society disappears.'"

06:21:49 mircea_popescu: seems a tad rich.

06:22:00 pete_dushenski: "De Maistre condemned the 18th-century Enlightenment for having subverted the dominance of traditional religion and traditional elites and paid homage to the public executioner as the protector of a divinely sanctioned social hierarchy."

06:22:18 Beyond_Bitcoin: btw...love the name of your bot

06:22:22 Beyond_Bitcoin: fucking classic

06:22:40 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu he seems a bit on the religious and bloody side

06:23:00 mircea_popescu: Beyond_Bitcoin it pretty much is a bitcoin classic yeah.

06:23:52 Beyond_Bitcoin: you guys really should consider stopping by the mumble

06:25:02 mircea_popescu: why ?

06:25:09 mircea_popescu: the bitcoin rift guild had a mumble, nobody really used it.

06:25:12 Beyond_Bitcoin: We'll be bringing on the dev from the FollowmyVote DAC that is soon to be launched

06:25:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Remember the journalist that quit forbes and annoys congressmen nao? What was her nick? I remember her name was Boring.

06:25:33 mircea_popescu: prissygirl something

06:25:34 Beyond_Bitcoin: we use it to organize community events/meetups...etc.

06:25:45 pete_dushenski: perianne

06:26:05 pete_dushenski: i think her nick was bitcoingirl

06:26:31 mircea_popescu: a yes

06:27:23 pete_dushenski: she's speaking alongside krawisz at some upcoming disneyland "conference"

06:36:16 pete_dushenski: "In 1926 Taittinger declared that the primary goal of his Patriotic Youth was to “defeat the progress of communism by any means necessary,” adding that “We defend the hierarchy of classes.…Everyone knows that there will always be different social levels, the strong and the weak, the rich and the poor, the governing and the governed.”"

06:37:00 pete_dushenski: in addition to his youth group, french pete also ran a little champagne bizniz

06:38:31 pete_dushenski: a champagne brand that lives to this day and was, get this, the "official champagne of the 2014 fifa world cup"

06:38:38 pete_dushenski: i gotta get me a bottle of this stuff nao

06:38:46 pete_dushenski: http://www.taittinger.com/fifa2014/html/en/

06:38:46 assbot: Taittinger - Official Champagne of the 2014 FIFA WORLD CUP

06:39:43 mircea_popescu: tittinger ?

06:40:36 pete_dushenski: lol

06:41:12 pete_dushenski: just found a bottle NV Taittinger Brut Reserve: 40% Chardonnay, 35% Pinot Noir, 25% Pinot Meunier by my place for $55

06:41:27 pete_dushenski: that's happening

06:41:45 pete_dushenski: cheaper than veuve

06:42:17 mircea_popescu: blog it!

06:45:57 pete_dushenski: will do :)

06:46:56 pete_dushenski: "Although circumstances sometimes made accommodation to political liberalism necessary, fascists condemned this doctrine for placing the rights of the individual above the needs of the Volk, encouraging “divisiveness” (i.e., political pluralism), tolerating “decadent” values, and limiting the power of the state."

06:47:17 pete_dushenski: not sure that i see bitcoin following this bit of "fascist doctrine"

06:47:28 pete_dushenski: "Fascist propagandists also attacked cultural liberalism, claiming that it encouraged moral relativism, godless materialism, and selfish individualism and thereby undermined traditional morality."

06:49:27 pete_dushenski: this is closer

06:49:53 pete_dushenski: good question then: does bitcoin have an "-ism?"

06:49:53 pete_dushenski: i want to say no

06:49:54 pete_dushenski: for -isms are the professions of things.

06:49:54 pete_dushenski: that is, their label rather than their utility and ability

06:49:54 pete_dushenski: but maybe there's a flexible and subtle enough label out there for our little world eater

06:49:57 pete_dushenski: ye olde exercise for the alert reader

06:51:28 pete_dushenski: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/202210/fascism << source of quotes above

06:51:29 assbot: fascism (politics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

06:51:30 RagnarDanneskjol: objectivism?

06:51:39 pete_dushenski: ;;ud objectivism

06:51:39 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=objectivism | The philosophical ideals populated by Ayn Rand that a man (or woman) is only entitled to what he has earned. It also promotes the right to life, a life free from ...

06:54:05 RagnarDanneskjol: yea, I kno. you dig into that book yet?

06:54:06 pete_dushenski: about 70 pages in

06:54:06 pete_dushenski: enjoying it so far :)

06:54:06 RagnarDanneskjol: cool

06:54:38 pete_dushenski: ya i'm just getting into it but it's a big thing to lug to latvia and estonia so i'll have to put it down for a few weeks

06:54:43 pete_dushenski: off on saturday!

06:55:40 RagnarDanneskjol: neat. watch out for vampires

06:55:54 pete_dushenski: i survived romania, should be ok

06:56:23 pete_dushenski: it's the legal whoors you gotta watch out for

06:56:26 pete_dushenski: slip a little g in your drink… bam! no wallet.

06:57:55 pete_dushenski: that's why i wear nail polish

06:59:08 RagnarDanneskjol: ahah

06:59:08 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes Live From 504 is probably my all-time fave ;D

06:59:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:10:32 BingoBoingo: OMG ben_vulpes is winning reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2evkc6/conformal_are_the_real_bitcoin_core_devs/

07:10:32 assbot: Conformal are the Real Bitcoin Core Devs : Bitcoin

07:14:11 BingoBoingo: lol at the username http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2evkc6/conformal_are_the_real_bitcoin_core_devs/ck3i8yj

07:14:12 assbot: unsavorygarnish comments on Conformal are the Real Bitcoin Core Devs

07:14:12 RagnarDanneskjol: yea, btcd is the shit. only real work being done in bitcoin. i forked the day they published last year - prompted me to learn golang, which is also the shit

07:14:38 RagnarDanneskjol: ha

07:26:03 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: see? blogging is cool! welcome back.

07:26:04 xmj: ha

07:26:22 pete_dushenski: a right. bon soir b-a!

07:27:25 cazalla: http://www.brw.com.au/p/business/bitcoin_might_become_money_says_PWgFfk3KR80TEaWuRLQ52I "There are 13 million Bitcoins in circulation around the globe, with a market value of $US6.4 billion ($6.9 billion). About 7 per cent of the coins in circulation are believed to be held by Australians." I wonder how they figure that?

07:27:25 assbot: Bitcoin might become money, says Tax Office

07:28:04 cazalla: unless zhou and tradefortress stole that many

07:28:31 BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget Vexual

07:28:51 BingoBoingo: Vexual holds either 0 or all of the coins

07:42:01 BingoBoingo: This has to be the shadiest thing with glossy ads http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/gawminers-hashlet-sells-bitcoin-sales-per-day-overstock/2014/08/28

07:42:01 assbot: GAWMiners' Hashlet Sells More in Bitcoin Sales Per Day than Overstock

07:42:19 mircea_popescu: justusranvier is all over it too.

07:42:23 mircea_popescu: wd.

07:44:44 mircea_popescu: "Investment banks don't like people acting in ways that make them look bad. Image is everything when your customers are rich elites. The antagonism going on with the Conformal team is not maximizing the dollar value they are being paid to do work. A cooperative effort where teams share ideas and cross-pollinate with less ego gets more done.

07:44:44 mircea_popescu: Since Conformal doesn't act this way, either they have a like-minded funder who enjoys watching strife, or their funder doesn't know how badly they're behaving."

07:44:52 mircea_popescu: omg fu derps. they're NOT behaving badly. you are.

07:44:57 mircea_popescu: also your mother is a sickly whore.

07:48:03 fluffypony: lol

07:48:35 fluffypony: this whole thing has barrelled into such aggression and anger

07:48:47 fluffypony: and all because of Mike having a Hearn-ia

07:48:52 fluffypony: *du du dish*

07:49:20 mircea_popescu: no.

07:49:20 mircea_popescu: because gavin not listening to what i told him to do when i told him to do it.

07:49:20 mircea_popescu: people have this idiotic attide whereby "whatever, i do what i want"

07:49:39 fluffypony: Gavin is very busy dressing up like a mad scientist to accept awards on behalf of Satoshi Nakamoto

07:49:45 fluffypony: because that's funny, right guise? guise?

07:49:47 mircea_popescu: then six months down the road let's wonder why the asshole's stretched and there's no path back to innocence.

07:49:51 mircea_popescu: his problem.

07:50:04 mircea_popescu: karpeles was too busy to obey too, there's a never ending string.

07:50:13 mircea_popescu: but no difference, the gallows hold.

07:50:40 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I can actually see you in a robe and wizard hat standing on a bridge going "YOU SHALL NOT PASS"

07:50:46 fluffypony: nubbins needs to make that into a t-shirt

07:50:51 mircea_popescu: i spend most of my time that way.

07:51:04 mircea_popescu: "what is your favorite hole ?"

07:51:04 mircea_popescu: "WRONG ANSWER!"

07:51:47 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Core devs behaving badly does not preclude the Conformal team behaving badly. This is not a binary condition.

07:52:04 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic certainly.

07:52:29 mircea_popescu: when in shit, much more important than finding saints, is steadily applying nooses to the worst behaved.

07:52:34 mircea_popescu: problem fixes itself over time.

07:53:09 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm not a bitcoin core dev. Are you saying *I* specifically am behaving badly, or are you using me as a bitcoin core rep to make comments about them?

07:53:39 mircea_popescu: you'll need to supply some context.

07:53:51 midnightmagic: 00:44 <+mircea_popescu> omg fu derps. they're NOT behaving badly. you are.

07:53:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27543277 = 2.4789 BTC [+] {3}

07:54:02 midnightmagic: that's after you quoted my comment on reddit

07:54:23 mircea_popescu: i had no idea it's yours, but at issue is the nonsensical "k. A cooperative effort where teams share ideas and cross-pollinate with less ego gets more done"

07:54:27 mircea_popescu: this isn't kansas.

07:55:05 midnightmagic: It works. When teams can't work directly together, as in NetBSD and OpenBSD, the two teams can cooperate very effectively as separate teams.

07:55:05 mircea_popescu: the misbehaviour is to display this sort of behavior.

07:55:20 mircea_popescu: it only works in environments other people maintain for your benefit.

07:55:32 mircea_popescu: it does not work in environments which have to self-maintain, especially not against significantly hostile pressure.

07:55:58 midnightmagic: And yet I just pointed out an counter-example to your assertion.

07:56:08 mircea_popescu: you think you did at any rate.

07:56:21 mircea_popescu: look at what exactly happened in openbsd once the teeth of the nsa stooges were felt.

07:56:32 midnightmagic: That was fud.

07:56:37 mircea_popescu: de raadt kicked all the misbehaving doods to the curb.

07:56:45 mircea_popescu: no, it was not fud.

07:57:01 midnightmagic: No, they excised themselves and left deRaadt holding the bag.

07:57:15 mircea_popescu: you're more than welcome to continue livng in your imaginary blind kitten fantasyland. you're too old to be particularly useful in any political sense anyway.

07:57:26 mircea_popescu: just, don't be amazed that nobody with actual involvement cares for your nonsense.

07:57:33 cazalla: BingoBoingo, you know that scammy site is in google news, such a joke

07:58:16 mircea_popescu: once we've hung dutta, hearn and so forth and the bitcoin republic is well established, if you're still alive, you can come back and teach at the university or w/e you can do.

07:58:21 fluffypony: cazalla: which one, coindusk?

07:59:24 cazalla: fluffypony, that too but i am referring to cryptocoinsnews

07:59:26 midnightmagic: Hush now, that silliness doesn't work on me tonight. What do you care what I say about Conformal?

08:00:05 mircea_popescu: i don't. i care enough about the perniciously castrated "o noes, don't argue boys, cocksuckers getr more done" to point out it doesn't belong in bitcoin, or generally among grown-ups.

08:00:23 midnightmagic: Really all you're telling me is when I mention an inconvenient truth it bothers you. You know I'm right. Regardless of whether you think I matter or not.

08:00:40 mircea_popescu: i'm sure it's all the rage at the mahjongg club, but again, to exist that retirement house in florida needs a lot of externalities in place.

08:01:37 midnightmagic: ehh, don't feel like arguing anymore. Enough, enough.. I'll stop.

08:10:11 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'm less concerned about the news site than the product they are shilling

08:18:19 cazalla: scammers gon' scam but it's easier with enablers like ccn

08:30:01 punkman: TheNewDeal, got some more lulz from that scammer in the end: http://dpaste.com/2T582KP

08:30:02 assbot: dpaste: 2T582KP

08:34:04 jurov: BingoBoingo wonders how long Coinroll contributed << it's set till september 1

08:34:48 BingoBoingo: jurov: Cool, I'll try to get something new up in the next 12 hours to try to lure more people.

08:49:43 mircea_popescu: interesting, who knew ads have a motivational function for the publisher.

08:51:45 pankkake: I suppose since the ads are per site, I can't have an account for a bunch of sites? it wouldn't make sense for advertisers anyway…

08:51:46 mircea_popescu: punkman why is the guy trying to scam dollars anyway.

08:51:46 mircea_popescu: fucking noobs.

08:52:11 mircea_popescu: pankkake the idea is to have good sites.

08:52:50 punkman: mircea_popescu: no idea, but I like that I trolled him twice with "o hey sent money to address I already had"

08:53:51 punkman: he wanted my BTC too, but told him both time I didn't have any

08:54:41 punkman: not enough lulz ROI in any case. next time I'm ignoring

08:58:30 pankkake: maybe create a blog "scamming scammers"?

08:58:30 mircea_popescu: aite well, enough excitement for one day. later all.

08:58:30 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well 419 hunting is a thing

08:58:30 pankkake: I know, I've read some hilarious ones

08:59:06 punkman: this guy scammed like $2500 and 30 BTC http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=gawzirabaws

08:59:07 assbot: Rating Details for User 'gawzirabaws'

08:59:43 punkman: I only gave him $100 so meh

09:00:15 punkman: but my new rule is to avoid anyone with reputation on btcjam

09:00:42 pankkake: good idea

09:00:51 pankkake: ;;rate punkman 1 scams scammers

09:00:51 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

09:01:34 pankkake: ;;rate punkman 1 scams scammers

09:01:35 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.

09:01:49 punkman: I totally failed at scamming them

09:02:06 pankkake: ;;gettrust gawzirabaws

09:02:06 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user gawzirabaws: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=gawzirabaws | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gawzirabaws | Rated since: Thu Jun 19 21:31:33 2014

09:02:11 pankkake: the intention is there

09:03:21 punkman: ;;rate gawzirabaws -10 took my money and stopped responding. owes me 0.2 BTC. has 30 BTC outstanding on btcjam

09:03:23 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user gawzirabaws has changed from -1 to -10.

09:09:05 punkman: http://www.dominatrixbunny.com/site/pay-my-bills/

09:09:06 assbot: Pay My Bills | Dominatrix Bunny

09:09:29 punkman: (dude's paypal led to that dominatrix)

09:09:54 punkman: wonder if it's gf or mum

09:10:19 punkman: or maybe he's just very commited to paying her bills

09:14:55 pankkake: wtf

09:15:49 punkman: the worst is all the otc people going "gawzirabaws iz a scammer? no wai!"

09:16:38 BingoBoingo: Social engineering is the big threat.

09:16:49 BingoBoingo: Not halfassed impersonation

09:18:13 punkman: dem splits

09:22:06 BingoBoingo: Ya rly

09:23:12 BingoBoingo: !s medium.com

09:23:13 assbot: 38 results for 'medium.com' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=medium.com

09:50:07 BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03

11:03:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25798922 = 2.3219 BTC [-] {6}

12:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.2511175 = 10.0447 BTC [-] {11}

13:18:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.00399998 = 2 BTC [+] {4}

14:46:43 punkman: ;;ident rdekley

14:46:43 gribble: Nick 'rdekley', with hostmask 'rdekley!sid32464@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xhjblalcpfvcvsgb', is not identified.

14:47:01 punkman: ;;ident xe4l

14:47:01 gribble: Nick 'xe4l', with hostmask 'xe4l!~unknown@162.243.112.233', is not identified.

14:47:54 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo first link is broked

14:52:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.24711111 = 2.224 BTC [-] {2}

15:14:46 pankkake: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/08/isis_threatens_.html

15:14:47 assbot: Schneier on Security: ISIS Threatens US with Terrorism

15:16:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00085271 = 19.1007 BTC [+] {2}

15:19:24 asciilifeform: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/08/the_problems_wi_4.html << lol, check out him & the other shills.

15:19:26 assbot: Schneier on Security: The Problems with PGP

15:19:40 *: asciilifeform hasn't read schneier in a while

15:32:33 asciilifeform: http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/22863 (english)

15:32:34 assbot: President of Russia

16:00:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58649525 BTC to 15`045 shares, 10545 satoshi per share

16:01:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.46391168 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 736 satoshi per share

16:04:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.94879560 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6620 satoshi per share

16:23:47 TomServo: I was recently asked if I had any examples of economists that have 'jumped ship' to bitcoin and didn't readily have any. Do you folks know some?

16:27:12 asciilifeform: looks like conformal co. passed the 'test.'

16:27:14 asciilifeform: https://blog.conformal.com/bip0064-not-yet/#comment-667

16:27:15 assbot: BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC.

16:27:30 danielpbarron: TomServo, Peter Schiff, perhaps.. but I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "jumped ship to bitcoin"

16:28:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 753 @ 0.00068769 = 0.5178 BTC [-] {12}

16:29:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1986 @ 0.00063248 = 1.2561 BTC [-] {14}

16:30:22 pankkake: "I prefer test-to-fail instead of test-to-pass type development" :)

16:30:42 asciilifeform: see herr dijkstra re: bugs.

16:31:17 asciilifeform: 'testing can reveal the presence [of bugs] but never the absence.'

16:31:26 pankkake: it's on a book?

16:31:41 TomServo: danielpbarron: Not a bad example I suppose. Hard to relay the context in which it was asked..closest I can come to is: Was previously balls deep in the bezzel economy and rejecting of bitcoin and has since 'saw the light', as it were.

16:31:43 pankkake: I should read the great masters/elders

16:32:56 pankkake: Price: $67.36 why :(

16:34:43 asciilifeform: price of what

16:34:58 Apocalyptic: the book I guess

16:35:01 pankkake: http://www.amazon.com/Discipline-Programming-Edsger-W-Dijkstra/dp/013215871X

16:35:03 assbot: A Discipline of Programming: Edsger W. Dijkstra: 9780132158718: Amazon.com: Books

16:37:38 TomServo: I was _not_ expecting those two MP comments to be approved.

16:38:07 asciilifeform: pankkake: http://flibusta.net/b/182253/download

16:38:23 Apocalyptic: pankkake, how come you order on amazon.com and not amazon.fr ?

16:38:37 pankkake: I don't, I just took the first google result

16:39:51 kakobrekla: amazon is a scam

16:40:17 kakobrekla: sometimes its totally worth checking com/uk/de/fr

16:40:27 kakobrekla: but you need to go to the last step, each time.

16:40:34 Apocalyptic: except .com calcules shipping from US

16:40:35 pankkake: I have a browser extension that does that

16:40:45 kakobrekla: lol

16:41:03 kakobrekla: now i feel like an even bigger idiot

16:41:16 pankkake: http://www.shoptimate.com/

16:41:16 assbot: Shoptimate : automatic price comparison on None - Shoptimate.com

16:41:28 kakobrekla: aha

16:41:44 kakobrekla: who would have thought.

16:42:10 pankkake: anyway, I often buy used

16:43:53 kakobrekla: btw does theat shop ASSistant take shipping into account

16:45:37 punkman: this one is handy sometimes https://pricenoia.com/

16:45:37 assbot: Pricenoia.com - Compare amazon prices

16:46:56 asciilifeform: http://s000.tinyupload.com/download.php?file_id=15526354107396586672&t=1552635410739658667298845

16:46:56 assbot: TinyUpload.com - best file hosting solution, with no limits, totaly free

16:46:58 asciilifeform: ^ in english

16:47:25 asciilifeform: pankkake ^

16:47:46 pankkake: thanks

16:48:36 thestringpuller: kakobrekla: i demand assbot be open source!

16:48:41 pankkake: Apparently Calibre can convert it for my reader!

16:48:45 thestringpuller: You are hiding functionality from us!

16:48:51 thestringpuller: assbot is not transparent!

16:48:56 thestringpuller: etc. etc. etc.

16:48:59 pankkake: I should read Knuth too, but I might not have enough of one life

16:49:14 asciilifeform: pankkake: know that if you convert djvu to, e.g, pdf, it baloons 25-50x in size

16:49:32 asciilifeform: (djvu is the canonical b00k w4r3z format - wavelet compression)

16:50:08 pankkake: oh it's images

16:50:14 asciilifeform: naturally.

16:50:35 asciilifeform: where do you imagine these come from? some russian kid with camera

16:50:48 pankkake: lol, that must be such fun to read. I think I'll buy the book ;)

16:51:17 asciilifeform: must be such fun to read << imho this is the true purpose of the 'tablet' machines

16:51:38 asciilifeform: buy whichever has the most pixels - and you're golden.

16:52:00 pankkake: I have a rather standard e-ink device

16:52:25 asciilifeform: these typically don't come with the cpu horsepower to unpack djvu

16:52:45 asciilifeform: (although the latest unofficial russian patch for 'kindle dx' mostly works, if a bit laggy)

16:52:52 pankkake: well that's why there's Calibre, it should convert it to another format

16:53:07 asciilifeform: yeah, 200mB of pdf.

16:53:21 thestringpuller: okay I will be stashing paper wallets at dragon con in a scavenger hunt. you guys think 0.01 per paper wallet is cool?

16:54:03 asciilifeform: (nice thing about 'djvu' is that it automagically decompresses to whatever your native device resolution is, with no scaling op. hence speed.)

16:54:17 pankkake: why not. just fill them early enough so the tx fee won't be too high

16:54:42 pankkake: oh, that's nice. I was expecting some blurry image as a result

17:04:45 ben_vulpes: who runs penguirker?

17:05:32 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski "it's going down it's going down like there's a whale in the boat"

17:05:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:06:41 ben_vulpes: ;;late tell pete_dushenski also: "if it ain't about money i go/nowhere i'm nailed to the floor"

17:06:41 gribble: Error: "late" is not a valid command.

17:06:45 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski also: "if it ain't about money i go/nowhere i'm nailed to the floor"

17:06:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:09:14 pankkake: ben_vulpes: me, it's fed by the http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ updater

17:09:15 assbot: Assets Assimilated

17:09:40 ben_vulpes: ah hi pankkake

17:09:53 ben_vulpes: i derped a feed together for cascadianhacker.com

17:10:03 ben_vulpes: http://www.feedyes.com/feed.php?f=exEp8PurpCu1tA0F

17:10:03 assbot: missives from the post-megastate frontier

17:11:04 pankkake: I thought it already had a feed - http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml (though it looks broken)

17:11:05 assbot: cascadian hacker

17:11:05 kakobrekla: ocred http://smpake.com/tmp/A.Discipline.Of.Programming_Dijkstra.txt

17:11:41 ben_vulpes: yeah that xml is totes broken.

17:11:46 ben_vulpes: my life is a patchwork of duct tape

17:11:58 ben_vulpes: van is a flawless crystal of tests tho

17:11:59 ben_vulpes: (hue)

17:12:18 ben_vulpes: (it's a joke)

17:12:30 pankkake: ok, I updated the URL + your nick

17:12:53 pankkake: you're not ashamed of that .php? :p

17:14:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/08/27_city-of-bridges-here-and-there.html

17:14:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/04/28_prefer-emacs-in-terminal-to-emacs-with-native-ui.html

17:14:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/16_look-at-this-ridiculous-american-penny.html

17:14:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/14_bitcoins-still-too-small-to-matter.html

17:14:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/20_this-is-why-distributed-exchanges-are-doomed-to-failure.html

17:14:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/18_relics-of-a-bygone-era.html

17:14:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/15_import-the-sweet-export-the-crude.html

17:14:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/08/21_andreas-antonopolous-as-canonical-example-of-why-you-cant-trust-someone-not-in-the-wot.html

17:14:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/08/18_digging-out-of-ones-own-holes.html

17:14:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/18_where-the-sidewalk-ends-an-exercise-in-creative-technology-use.html

17:14:29 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/15_sslcacertfile-fingerprint-on-disk.html

17:14:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/15_there-are-127-million-lines-of-code-in-mysql.html

17:14:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/04/25_scams-everywhere-nobody-cares-though.html

17:14:32 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/08/28_conformal-are-the-real-bitcoin-core-devs.html

17:14:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/14_some-things-that-bug-me-about-clojure.html

17:14:34 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/04/28_the-unfungibility-of-the-usd.html

17:14:35 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/16_punking-ms-users-via-the-blockchain.html

17:14:36 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/15_cascadian-hacker-now-with-ads.html

17:14:37 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/08/18_nothing-beats-reading-the-source-boto-and-s3-and-multiple-arity-edition.html

17:14:38 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/05/15_greece-imposing-33-tax-on-their-saviors.html

17:14:43 asciilifeform: aaaa

17:14:53 pankkake: sorry :(

17:15:27 pankkake: I didn't think the links would change

17:16:08 kakobrekla: these book readers you keep talking about, which is the one to get atm

17:16:33 pankkake: the sony ones looked interesting, but they are stopping making them

17:16:46 pankkake: I have a Kobo, it's nice enough, and reads epub

17:17:51 ben_vulpes: <pankkake> you're not ashamed of that .php? :p << not my service

17:18:00 ben_vulpes: they also emailed me my password in plaintext

17:18:07 ben_vulpes: dat fractal of bad design

17:18:16 ben_vulpes: oh god that's bad. "."?

17:18:37 ben_vulpes: never mind pankkake. sorry to bother everyone.

17:18:44 pankkake: the /./ is rewritten as / by most software, but I'm not doing any special processing to the url

17:19:03 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: i use a kindle, would like a kindle dx.

17:19:05 asciilifeform: pankkake: penalty kick!

17:19:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014#595672

17:19:06 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2014 20:28:18; asciilifeform: 1btc for the motherland.

17:19:33 thestringpuller: ddue what the actual fuck just happened?

17:19:49 kakobrekla: yeah i think ill have to cover for that in the end. :)

17:19:54 thestringpuller: i'm never reading cascadian hacker again

17:20:17 asciilifeform: let him expiate his sin

17:20:53 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik the dx is out of production, but can still be had.

17:20:55 kakobrekla: ascii you have a kindle or like seven different readers?

17:21:20 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'kindle dx' for ordinary stuff, 'nexus 10' for high-res scans (like that dijkstra)

17:21:54 kakobrekla: isnt that like a phone or something

17:21:55 asciilifeform: ('nexus' - 2560x1600)

17:22:04 kakobrekla: ;;google nexus 10

17:22:05 gribble: Nexus 10 - Google: http://www.google.com/nexus/10/; Nexus 10 (16GB) - Devices on Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_10_16GB?id=nexus_10_16gb&hl=en; Amazon.com : Google Nexus 10 (Wi-Fi only, 32 GB) : Tablet ...: http://www.amazon.com/Google-Nexus-10-Wi-Fi-only/dp/B00ACVI202

17:22:13 asciilifeform: nope. it's a heavy bugger of a 'tablet'

17:22:14 kakobrekla: a not a phone.

17:22:46 asciilifeform: bought solely because it had moar pixels.

17:23:10 thestringpuller: there's a nexus 10 now?

17:23:13 thestringpuller: lol what?

17:23:39 thestringpuller: is this what old people feel like. "new tech!?!?!?" "no that's been out for a year" "oh."

17:23:42 ben_vulpes: world keeps moving forwards while you're playing at being a dragon, thestringpuller

17:23:47 ben_vulpes: ;;google fuck you i'm a dragon

17:23:48 gribble: Fuck you, I'm a dragon! - Encyclopedia Dramatica: https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Fuck_you,_I'm_a_dragon!; Starblade Enkai - WikiFur, the furry encyclopedia: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Starblade_Enkai; Fuck you, I'm a Dragon.: http://peasy93.tumblr.com/

17:24:11 thestringpuller: The world keeps moving forward while I hack in vi which is older than all of us except mircea_popescu

17:24:19 thestringpuller: since he's clearly like 50 or 60

17:24:29 ben_vulpes: uh ho

17:24:32 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYArYehhyPg

17:24:32 assbot: Pallas Cat Kittens -- 5 months old pt1 - YouTube

17:24:55 thestringpuller: lol cute kitten videos are universal

17:26:55 asciilifeform: damn why'd moiety have to starve

17:28:05 TheNewDeal: thestringpuller vi and not vim?

17:30:08 kakobrekla: ba failed to provide for the receptionist.

17:40:52 ben_vulpes: receptionist rates were too high

17:41:01 ben_vulpes: bitcoins now vs bitcoins later i guess

17:41:04 ben_vulpes: hard for anyone to value properly

17:46:09 TomServo: danielpbarron: your drama is lulzy

17:46:18 *: TomServo is amused.

17:46:33 danielpbarron: it's actually really boring; it just looks interesting from the few public fragments

17:46:52 TomServo: Ah - just got a chuckle out of that last rating.

17:53:34 asciilifeform: so i notice inscription on a pen i've been writing with for ages.

17:53:41 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/3pvm0sd

17:53:41 assbot: where'd this come from. - Imgur

17:54:36 TomServo: The truth is finally revealed!

17:54:37 asciilifeform: what's a day without a little mindfuck.

17:57:00 punkman: asciilifeform: is the cardano late because you can't figure out how to backdoor it?

17:57:19 asciilifeform: consignment of coke & virgins from the fuhrer is late.

17:57:34 asciilifeform: lol

17:58:00 kakobrekla: cardano backdoor? its that nsa pens fault.

17:58:15 kakobrekla: they forgot to put the label off

17:58:42 punkman: did you check the pen for backdoors?

17:58:59 kakobrekla: and how 'fast' is the pen?

17:59:28 asciilifeform: very slow.

18:00:10 asciilifeform: didn't even notice the ad on the barrel until took it apart (pen wouldn't fit through base hole of instrument that needed a plinth drilled to mount it, took out nib)

18:00:35 kakobrekla: spam filter filters

18:01:14 thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: i have vi aliased to vim. but the underlying of vim (vi) is old

18:07:11 *: asciilifeform waits to find a 'www.meta-nsa.lizard' pen under his pillow when waking up.

18:07:22 BingoBoingo: http://recode.net/2014/08/28/the-worthless-currency-exchange-at-burning-mans-camp-bitcoin/

18:07:23 assbot: The “Worthless Currency Exchange” at Burning Man’s Camp Bitcoin | Re/code

18:07:44 asciilifeform: (horse heads are expensive these days)

18:09:08 BingoBoingo: Well, that's kind of the point of the horse head. Khartoum was a very expensive horse.

18:09:49 asciilifeform: lol

18:10:46 BingoBoingo: Wouldn't have the same impact if it were a glue horse.

18:13:10 punkman: "“The Bitcoin leader was arrested right before Burning Man ’cause he was maybe helping the FBI, and … Anyway, we’re the Dogecoin Camp now,” "

18:15:10 punkman: http://www.coindesk.com/burning-mans-camp-bitcoin-became-camp-dogecoin/

18:15:10 assbot: How Burning Man's Camp Bitcoin Became Camp Dogecoin

18:19:31 TheNewDeal: oh no

18:27:22 TomServo: Lachance’s web page about the camp lists only three rules, and one is: “Dogecoin must be pronounced ‘dogh-gee-coin’, not ‘dohj-coin’.”

18:27:29 TomServo: Well at least they got that going for them.

18:27:58 kakobrekla: no more dodgecoin? :(

18:30:21 kakobrekla: https://btctrip.com < heh, testimonial #1: charlie shrem, says: "btc trip is amazing"

18:30:21 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:30:24 assbot: BTCTrip - One for All, All for One!

18:30:31 jurov: doge is love!

18:31:36 kakobrekla: taaki also does not fail to mention the word.

18:32:42 TomServo: "After coding Bitcoin, I fly with btctrip. -Satoshi" sad

18:32:50 kakobrekla: yup

18:33:36 asciilifeform: even mentions Turdmeister.

18:33:52 kakobrekla: lel

18:33:55 TomServo: haha!

18:34:53 TheNewDeal: Satoshi's position was labeled "cryptocurrency prophet"

18:34:54 TheNewDeal: love it

18:35:02 *: TomServo wonders what the 3 musketeers saying has to do with anything.

18:56:14 danielpbarron: !up guest8374

18:58:59 devthedev: Is anyone in possession of a Trezor?

18:59:15 jurov: i am

18:59:28 devthedev: I'm having trouble with the mytrezor site

18:59:48 devthedev: Balances don't seem to be loading

19:00:03 asciilifeform: jurov: consider posting a photo of the internals

19:00:25 thestringpuller: is the trezor guy in wot?

19:00:33 devthedev: It's slush

19:00:37 Apocalyptic: ;;gpg info slush

19:00:37 gribble: User 'slush', with keyid 71D5C7F995DA2743, fingerprint 79BE846DC805C820FAD332CA71D5C7F995DA2743, and bitcoin address 1NQZT6jh3igPBME7T4ujejZGxdbjMub9DE, registered on Mon Apr 11 19:49:01 2011, last authed on Mon Mar 11 13:10:00 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=slush . Currently not authenticated.

19:02:13 jurov: asciilifeform i have no idea how to pry it open.. maybe it'll go better with platic version

19:03:19 jurov: hmm, mytrezor site does not react to clicks

19:04:10 asciilifeform: http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-tech/hardware.html

19:04:10 assbot: Hardware — TREZOR Technical Manual 1.0 documentation

19:04:23 asciilifeform: ^ interesting things here for the alert reader

19:05:30 *: asciilifeform no longer needs to buy the machine

19:06:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 100 @ 0.0650305 = 6.5031 BTC [+] {9}

19:06:23 asciilifeform: jurov: do you own a scope ?

19:06:30 jurov: no

19:06:34 asciilifeform: damn.

19:06:48 thestringpuller: slush is russian no?

19:06:57 jurov: no, czech

19:06:59 thestringpuller: or is it czhech

19:07:06 thestringpuller: dman beat me to it

19:07:09 jurov: if i come around a scope, what am i to look for?

19:07:15 asciilifeform: чех, lol.

19:07:31 asciilifeform: jurov: watch the usb ground pin.

19:08:04 kakobrekla: ground compared to real ground ?

19:08:25 asciilifeform: compared to a distant ground, yes

19:14:11 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what will that show?

19:15:44 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: a bit of hiss, with likely a few bits of key mixed in.

19:16:38 asciilifeform: jurov: strictly speaking you don't need to open the unit for this.

19:17:04 asciilifeform: jurov: just tap a cheap microusb cable on the 'thin' end.

19:23:00 kakobrekla: battery power solves this neh ?

19:23:14 jurov: well, they will be like "of course don't use with untrusted cables"

19:23:39 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: afaik that product has no provision for use with own battery

19:23:42 kakobrekla: ur untrusted batteries

19:23:52 kakobrekla: myea would require a mod

19:24:02 asciilifeform: would require more than a simple electrical mod

19:24:04 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: but what will that accomplish. ELI5?

19:24:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00060947 = 0.6095 BTC [-] {7}

19:24:33 asciilifeform: ;;google differential power analysis

19:24:33 gribble: Power analysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_analysis; Differential Power Analysis - Cryptography Research: http://www.cryptography.com/public/pdf/DPA.pdf; Introduction to Differential Power Analysis and Related Attacks: http://www.cryptography.com/public/pdf/DPATechInfo.pdf

19:24:37 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

19:24:37 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00085271 BTC [+]

19:24:37 asciilifeform: thestringpuller ^

19:24:46 thestringpuller: I'll take a look asciilifeform

19:24:56 kakobrekla: didnt say simple :D

19:25:21 thestringpuller: actually I think a 5 year old could understand the wiki article

19:25:26 thestringpuller: much appreciated ascii

19:25:33 asciilifeform: enjoy

19:26:13 thestringpuller: so basically you're attempting to hack the trezor via DPA?

19:26:17 thestringpuller: "hack"

19:26:44 asciilifeform: from the published circuit, it seems to be asking for it.

19:32:30 kakobrekla: ill donate you a trezor if you want to attack it

19:32:55 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: perhaps after my current work is done

19:33:04 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in the meantime, feel welcome to try it personally

19:58:28 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17FTR4B.txt )

19:58:28 thestringpuller: !b 6

20:13:18 jurov: Last 6 lines unbashed.

20:14:00 ben_vulpes: so here's an interesting interpersonal situation

20:14:08 ben_vulpes: there's client a, hosting company b, and consultants c

20:14:44 ben_vulpes: client brings in consultants to look at their security, and consultants ask for shell access to the server on which client sites are running. hosting company b flat declines consultants access to hardware.

20:15:16 ben_vulpes: assume that client a has the most cash flowing through the box by 2 orders of magnitude. is hosting company b's behavior reasonable?

20:16:31 ben_vulpes: keep in mind this is a wp hosting company using plesk.

20:16:46 jurov: did the client buy shell access? no? case dismissed.

20:18:33 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0YFK8ZS.txt )

20:18:33 BingoBoingo: !b 6

20:20:40 ben_vulpes: twist: wherever consultant suggests hosting move, that's where hosting will move.

20:21:09 ben_vulpes: but i see where you're coming from, jurov.

20:23:11 jurov: well.. that's fate of any company without admin capable to build stuff on bare metal

20:26:59 BingoBoingo: So my phone just got a bunch of MMS messages from phone numbers in Chicago which are registed as "landlines"

20:27:13 kakobrekla: nasa

20:27:27 BingoBoingo: Prolly.

20:28:36 kakobrekla: (its what i use instead of 'nsa' for not to raise suspicion)

20:29:02 jurov: the messages were empty?

20:29:14 jurov: or you did not dare open?

20:29:18 BingoBoingo: Or to raise better kinds of suspicion. So you get a space ship instead of a phone

20:29:40 BingoBoingo: jurov: Dare not open

20:30:48 BingoBoingo: Even though I already treat the phone as tainted by design

20:33:41 ben_vulpes: open it open it open it

20:34:31 BingoBoingo: Fine

20:35:23 BingoBoingo: So this is really odd. The messages are fucking pictures of text. It's like these fuckers are texting over van-ads. What the fuck.

20:37:56 ben_vulpes: they're texting photos of van?

20:38:06 ben_vulpes: wat

20:38:26 BingoBoingo: They are sending photos of text

20:38:43 ben_vulpes: what kind of text?

20:38:47 ben_vulpes: show meeeee

20:39:14 thestringpuller: who si they?

20:39:15 thestringpuller: is*

20:40:57 kakobrekla: you mean it looks like a ransom note?

20:47:01 BingoBoingo: It reads like some teachers gossiping about their students.

20:47:11 ben_vulpes: SHARE

20:49:38 BingoBoingo: Already been deleted. If the FBI wants to investigate a FERPA violation they can check my phone records, like they probably already are doing and check out those 630 phone numbers

20:49:48 ben_vulpes: probably the wise thing.

20:50:00 BingoBoingo: 630 being the area code and not the number of messages.

21:06:58 jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/citi-miners-merchants-keeping-bitcoin-prices-check/ from dept.obvious

21:06:59 assbot: Citi: Miners and Merchants Are Keeping Bitcoin Prices Low

21:07:22 jurov: ;;bc,halfreward

21:07:23 gribble: Error: "bc,halfreward" is not a valid command.

21:07:42 TheNewDeal: lol

21:07:47 BingoBoingo: Is this someone from here commenting on ZeroHedge? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-28/man-many-perversions-%E2%80%93-federal-cybersecurity-head-convicted-child-porn-charges#comment-5157757

21:07:47 assbot: "A Man Of Many Perversions" Federal Cybersecurity Head Convicted Of Child Porn Charges | Zero Hedge

21:07:57 BingoBoingo: If it isn't I'm impressed

21:08:03 jurov: ;;halfreward

21:08:04 gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sat Aug 6 05:47:51 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 48 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.

21:09:10 BingoBoingo: Fucking 20% diff increases, going to make the halving cum early

21:09:48 TheNewDeal: block 420000 it is?

21:10:02 jurov: 20% means max. 4 months earlier

21:10:37 Apocalyptic: do you compound it ?

21:11:38 jurov: it does not compund. it just means every period is 20% shorter.

21:12:22 Apocalyptic: right

21:13:16 TheNewDeal: ;;calc 600*.8*(420000-318140)/86400

21:13:16 gribble: 565.888888889

21:14:11 TheNewDeal: gribble says 707 days

21:15:15 kakobrekla: http://bitcoinclock.com

21:15:16 assbot: Bitcoin Clock

21:15:53 TheNewDeal: clock says 707 days as well

21:16:25 jurov: obv they don't count with 20% increases

21:16:55 TheNewDeal: ;;calc 707*86400/((420000-318140)*600)

21:16:55 gribble: 0.999489495386

21:17:03 TheNewDeal: thats a 600 second block time eh

21:18:46 jurov: dunno why they don't extrapolate from sliding window or such

21:19:32 TheNewDeal: what do you mean?

21:20:34 jurov: use average time for last 10000 blocks instead of 10 minutes

21:21:07 kakobrekla: but that would make time go backwards at times!

21:21:13 TheNewDeal: hahaha

21:21:36 kakobrekla: fuck backwards going clocks.

21:21:49 jurov: in bitcoin it does. get used to it.

21:21:58 kakobrekla: only 10 min at a time

21:22:43 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

21:22:46 gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 26 seconds

21:23:47 jurov: actually i realized bitcoin is the only software project with milestones going sooner than expected

21:23:55 jurov: *estimated

21:25:30 jurov: with caveat thet ETA for rigorous spec is Inf

21:34:16 BingoBoingo: http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2014/8/28/beards-mullets-out/

21:34:17 assbot: Beards In, Mullets Out – The Maneater

22:00:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/./blog/2014/08/29_all-about-the-mpex-derps.html

22:01:23 ben_vulpes: i guess that period's fine after all

22:24:49 TheNewDeal: bunch of quitters

22:38:39 BingoBoingo: !up x4nthyos

22:39:52 TheNewDeal: ;;ident x4nthyos

22:39:52 gribble: Nick 'x4nthyos', with hostmask 'x4nthyos!~xanthyos@c-174-63-38-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is not identified.

22:48:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.24003 = 0.9601 BTC [-] {3}

22:51:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.23557 = 4.7114 BTC [-] {6}

23:05:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 394 @ 0.0021002 = 0.8275 BTC [-] {7}

23:28:35 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/tripping-through-ibms-astonishingly-insane-1937-corporate-songbook/

23:28:35 assbot: Tripping through IBMs astonishingly insane 1937 corporate songbook | Ars Technica

23:29:37 kakobrekla: yeah they called themselfs fags back then iirc

23:30:39 kakobrekla: yeah, page 14

23:36:22 TheNewDeal: nice call

23:42:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2222 = 0.8888 BTC [+]

23:43:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.22204 = 1.1102 BTC [-] {2}

23:48:47 ben_vulpes: i have beaten aws into submission

23:50:46 ben_vulpes: i can now provision my app cannon onto arbitrary amazon accounts