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00:12:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209064 @ 0.00075126 = 157.0614 BTC [-] {21}

00:57:00 mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats

00:57:02 gribble: Current Blocks: 322982 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1593 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 51 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32500379787.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.23473

00:57:20 BingoBoingo: -Diff change?

00:58:52 ben_vulpes: pshaw

01:00:39 cazalla: what do you think, http://www.bitcoinprivilege.com/about-me/ obvious troll too obvious?

01:00:40 assbot: About Me - Olukayode Tendai Bio

01:01:49 BingoBoingo: lol cazalla

01:04:27 mats_cd03: terrible.

01:04:57 cazalla: mats_cd03, i bet i can get andreas to retweet

01:05:15 mats_cd03: do it

01:05:17 BingoBoingo: You can try

01:05:18 cazalla: and then swap the content out heh

01:07:25 cazalla: like a cake, it's needs to stay in the oven a bit longer before i serve it to him

01:07:30 cazalla: it even

01:10:30 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe do a piece on how Chuck Tayor would have solved Liberia's Ebola with Dogecoin?

01:11:29 cazalla: that's an idea, next one i'm writing is "was satoshi a black man?"

01:13:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00074947 = 3.9347 BTC [-]

01:16:25 BingoBoingo: Interesting?

01:16:54 cazalla: pledge dogecoin to ebola-chan

01:29:45 danielpbarron: cazalla, what's your twitter handle?

01:31:49 cazalla: i don't have one but i will make one for this soon enough

01:37:30 cazalla: !up up-me-plz

01:37:40 cazalla: bah, not authenticated

01:38:02 BingoBoingo: !up up-me-plz

01:38:35 up-me-plz: cazalla: re, bitcoinprivilege.com I cannot wait for the changes due to bitcoin allow the re-introduction of whip & chain slavery...

01:39:00 up-me-plz: sadly, probably not a troll.

01:44:09 thestringpuller: very popescu-esque

01:44:18 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol what is this ?

01:45:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00074852 = 32.2986 BTC [-] {3}

01:47:36 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i bought that domain months ago, figured may as well put it to some use

01:48:46 mircea_popescu: lol glwi.

01:49:00 up-me-plz: ;; ud glwi

01:49:01 gribble: Google found nothing.

01:49:08 cazalla: good luck with it

02:26:25 BingoBoingo: !up notsaks

02:28:43 asciilifeform: ebolacoin ?

02:32:40 TheNewDeal: If anyone knows http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall-before-november/#b3 / 1sj8Mc28C3WZUxZbkqqcSFdUHeB7Jufyc please send them my way, looking to broker a bitbet deal with them

02:32:40 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November :: 1.66 B (15%) on Yes, 9.36 B (85%) on No | closing in 1 day 21 hours | weight: 6`826 (100`000 to 1)

02:36:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00074813 = 3.404 BTC [-] {2}

02:37:24 TheNewDeal: !up sellnow-crashing

02:37:41 SELLNOW-CRASHING: guys. sell now. price is crashing

02:37:46 SELLNOW-CRASHING: 266 next stop

02:37:49 TheNewDeal: sell to me

02:37:57 SELLNOW-CRASHING: ICBIT buy there

02:38:05 TheNewDeal: !down sellnow-crashing

02:38:18 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

02:38:19 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 381.72, Best ask: 383.26, Bid-ask spread: 1.54000, Last trade: 383.87, 24 hour volume: 17707.37377805, 24 hour low: 368.9, 24 hour high: 402.9, 24 hour vwap: 383.192779615

02:38:30 ben_vulpes: noice

02:38:42 TheNewDeal: coins so cheap they're almost free

02:39:41 ben_vulpes: matters not to me

02:39:48 ben_vulpes: a pauper forever i'll be

02:40:00 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3W42P6W.txt )

02:40:00 asciilifeform: !b 3

02:40:40 *: ben_vulpes wishes he'd considered the scansion

02:43:24 ben_vulpes: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=264 << funny story re apple shit

02:43:24 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

02:44:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: everyone likes to laugh at apple. but there is no obvious alternative to some of their products.

02:44:24 asciilifeform: (other than 'stay in castle, don't use portable electronics at all')

02:44:37 ben_vulpes: an acquaintance of mine was recently derping on his girl's phone, as there was a hilarious loop where her old phone had 16G of stuff and was utterly full, bought a new phone with...16G of storage, connected it to her 'iCloud' account, and watched as the thing immediately filled up and bricked itself

02:45:25 ben_vulpes: DURING the hacker fix process for this (which ultimately entailed deleting the iCloud account in question), my acquaintance and sometime colleague was browsing through the lady's photos to find...

02:45:30 ben_vulpes: pictures of *his* cat

02:45:34 ben_vulpes: from *his* nexus 1

02:45:46 ben_vulpes: that had never been mailed anywhere

02:46:38 ben_vulpes: his hypotheses: she'd plugged his phone into her computer at some point and "sure whatevere"'d all his photos onto her computer, and thence to apple

02:46:55 asciilifeform: lol

02:47:10 asciilifeform: know how we like to laugh at our ancestors' hygiene ?

02:47:14 asciilifeform: well guess what.

02:47:48 asciilifeform: !up Diablo-D3

02:48:01 asciilifeform: !up Diablo-D3

02:48:10 Diablo-D3: [10:44:37] <ben_vulpes> an acquaintance of mine was recently derping on his girl's phone, as there was a hilarious loop where her old phone had 16G of stuff and was utterly full, bought a new phone with...16G of storage, connected it to her 'iCloud' account, and watched as the thing immediately filled up and bricked itself

02:48:12 Diablo-D3: that sounds wrong

02:48:37 ben_vulpes: well "immediately" per the local pipe throughput

02:48:51 Diablo-D3: even if you restore a backup from icloud, it doesn't restore your photos into your local photo storage

02:48:54 Diablo-D3: it keeps them in the icloud storage

02:49:13 Diablo-D3: you have to manually go into the photo app and tell it to copy selected photos to local

02:49:27 ben_vulpes: there is also a "sync my data" thinger for new phones.

02:50:01 ben_vulpes: you got upped for this?

02:50:01 Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: yeah, but iphones are locked down

02:50:07 Diablo-D3: you can only use apple's shit

02:50:16 ben_vulpes: it's apple's thinger.

02:50:18 *: Diablo-D3 just had to rescue someone's fucked up ios8 upgrade on an iphone 5c

02:50:33 Diablo-D3: I went from having 0 experience with iphones to fixing them

02:50:41 Diablo-D3: I want to go back, tbh

02:50:45 Diablo-D3: they're infuriatingly complex

02:50:53 Diablo-D3: as much as I hate android, dear god its so much better

02:50:55 ben_vulpes: > 2 days experience, Diablo-D3's an iOS expert

02:51:05 asciilifeform: if you want a pocket-sized apparatus to read, say, email, you're more or less stuck choosing whether to live in 'singapore' (apple) or 'liberia' ('android')

02:51:23 ben_vulpes: you guys will dig this

02:51:29 Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: I dunno, it was fucking bullshit

02:51:38 Diablo-D3: what fucked it up is all this icloud shit

02:51:50 Diablo-D3: and the fact you need 4.7gb of free storage on a 5c to upgrade to ios8

02:51:54 ben_vulpes: ...

02:51:58 Diablo-D3: and they sold 16gb phones

02:52:01 ben_vulpes: other amazing apple stuff

02:52:01 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:52:16 Diablo-D3: and theres only about 12.3gb of usable storage on said 16gb phone

02:52:17 ben_vulpes: the displays system preference gives one two radio buttons:

02:52:21 Diablo-D3: so you need 1/3rd of your ufcking phone

02:52:24 Diablo-D3: to upgrade

02:52:26 ben_vulpes: "best for displays"

02:52:26 Diablo-D3: to fix THEIR bugs

02:52:29 ben_vulpes: "scaled"

02:52:36 asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: well, to upgrade without a connected computer, yes

02:52:39 Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: best for display just selects the correct scaled for retina

02:52:47 ben_vulpes: selecting "scaled" gives you 4 options

02:52:51 asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: it downloads a turd, needs space to decompress it

02:52:51 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: no, tried through the itunes usb shit too

02:52:52 ben_vulpes: "larger text"

02:53:02 ben_vulpes: jesus Diablo-D3 let a guy tell a story ffs

02:53:17 ben_vulpes: "Best (Retina)"

02:53:23 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: and it gets even better

02:53:29 ben_vulpes: an unnamed option (WTF)

02:53:33 ben_vulpes: and "More Space"

02:53:48 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: the icloud storage was filled almost completely with an incomplete backup

02:53:56 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: because the phone tried to backup to 5gb of storage

02:54:08 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: and my neighbor just said icloud was broken and she never used it

02:54:18 Diablo-D3: it was broken because it was full with a backup that ios should have never tried making

02:54:31 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: I mean, thats even the bigger fucking problem

02:54:38 Diablo-D3: apple ships phones with icloud backup automatically enabled

02:54:43 Diablo-D3: and only gives you 5gb of space

02:54:48 Diablo-D3: unless you pay for more

02:54:58 Diablo-D3: so, out of the box, your phone is broken

02:55:32 asciilifeform: lulzies.

02:55:41 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: and itunes's UX is so insane that theres no way to backup the photos

02:55:53 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: they expect you to use icloud for it independently of the make backup thing in itunes

02:56:03 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: so I had to go and fucking copy them out of the DCIM folder on the phone

02:56:12 asciilifeform: yet can you picture a talking head, or newspaper, asking question 'should a new os always use more space?'

02:56:52 Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: so what I did do is

02:56:56 Diablo-D3: convince her to just fucking pay

02:56:59 Diablo-D3: for the $2/mo option

02:57:26 ben_vulpes: there is iPhoto. it copies photos from the i* pretty trivially.

02:57:40 ben_vulpes: no wait

02:57:43 ben_vulpes: just trivially

02:58:44 Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: no

02:58:50 Diablo-D3: only if you're on osx

02:58:58 Diablo-D3: said victim was on windows

02:59:06 Diablo-D3: why she has an iphone? no clue

02:59:08 ben_vulpes: don't try to leave the cage.

02:59:31 decimation: imagine if ios/osx/windows had a new release that was smaller than the previous turd

02:59:45 decimation: people would be outraged because "you are stealing our new features"

02:59:50 ben_vulpes: well she's on the right track. have you seen technical incompetents try to use android phones?

03:00:11 ben_vulpes: the android platform does a magical job of implementing software-accelerated phone aging.

03:00:48 ben_vulpes: apple's done a decent job on the software jailing, so the phone operating system doesn't rot quite as quickly as its counterparts, so they're forced to release new "operating systems" that consume ever more resources.

03:00:59 ben_vulpes: on android, the users saw their *own* feet off.

03:01:12 decimation: ben_vulpes: agreed, my android phone magically rots, even despite my attempts to trim shit

03:01:29 ben_vulpes: the only people happy with androids are those with the budget to replace them every 8 months

03:01:35 ben_vulpes: or the technical savvy to wipe the things, ibid

03:01:56 TomServo: Where are all the phones with hardware keyboards, is what I'd like to know.

03:02:08 ben_vulpes: i was just pining for my n90

03:02:21 decimation: I have hardware keyboard on my android

03:02:30 ben_vulpes: i'd settle for a startac

03:02:37 TomServo: decimation: How old is it?

03:02:46 ben_vulpes: my father sent me out with his startac when i was a wee one, for 'supervision'.

03:03:02 ben_vulpes: i forgot i had any electronics on me, went romping through a fountain, fried a legendarily high quality phone.

03:03:08 ben_vulpes: i cannot atone for all my sins.

03:03:43 thestringpuller: software accelerated phone aging?

03:03:52 thestringpuller: you mean the phone's hardware can't keep up with the updates?

03:04:14 decimation: it was released in 2012 http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_relay_4g_t699-4914.php

03:04:14 assbot: Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G T699 - Full phone specifications

03:04:24 decimation: upgrade bell rang, didn't answer.

03:06:03 decimation: before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked

03:08:39 TomServo: decimation: Hey cool thanks, didn't know about that one.

03:08:50 decimation: you can still find them new old stock

03:09:58 ben_vulpes: hilarious haskell dot com:

03:10:03 ben_vulpes: succ 5.1 -> 6.1

03:10:12 ben_vulpes: hilarious emacs dot com:

03:10:21 ben_vulpes: (/ 47 3) -> 15

03:10:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25554 @ 0.00074853 = 19.1279 BTC [+] {2}

03:10:42 ben_vulpes: (succ being something along the lines of "next enum, plz")

03:10:46 decimation: ben_vulpes: I downloaded and played with some of the arrayforth devkit stuff

03:10:47 ben_vulpes: ;;calc 47 / 3

03:10:48 gribble: 15.6666666667

03:10:50 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/heel/

03:10:50 assbot: Heel

03:10:59 ben_vulpes: decimation: and?

03:11:06 decimation: I was sad when I found you couldn't just edit in text, you need to use the 'colorforth' gui tool

03:11:35 mircea_popescu: guyse price is crasheing!!1

03:11:44 ben_vulpes: old news, mircea_popescu

03:11:52 mircea_popescu: no i read it on ircs

03:12:00 ben_vulpes: the sellnow nicks have already paraded through

03:12:02 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

03:12:07 BingoBoingo: %v

03:12:07 decimation: nevertheless they are neat chips, I might buy a devkit soon

03:12:08 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 190

03:12:09 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 385.6, vol: 17963.54312387 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 376.956, vol: 5374.38134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.43, vol: 21785.85056788 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 382.731921, vol: 36269.37660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 390.0, vol: 10.77926916 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 386.7095, vol: 64.05676885 | Volume-weighted last average: 382.906644702

03:12:25 decimation: idiots are selling btc for cheap

03:12:45 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> know how we like to laugh at our ancestors' hygiene ? << quite this.

03:13:02 mircea_popescu: there's going to be little as amusing as "security practices" of the 2010s freeranged interderp.

03:14:36 mircea_popescu: TomServo> Where are all the phones with hardware keyboards, is what I'd like to know. << africa and my vaults.

03:14:56 decimation: they exist, just not being marketed by sexy

03:15:47 decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/29/technology/personaltech/glum-sign-for-apple-in-china-smuggled-iphones-go-begging-.html?_r=0

03:15:49 assbot: Log In - The New York Times

03:16:00 mircea_popescu: run 12 instances of curl off a huge file with awk 'NR%12==n only to discover that the fucking thing keeps blocking itself.

03:16:07 mircea_popescu: what the shit obscure bug is this one ;/

03:16:21 decimation: At an electronics market in central Beijing, one retailer was recently selling the low-end iPhone 6 and 6 Plus for 6,500 renminbi to 8,800 renminbi ($1,060 to $1,436), down from 12,000 renminbi to 15,000 renminbi ($1,960 to $2,450) just after the release.

03:17:11 mircea_popescu: decimation the advantage of owning the factory.

03:17:23 mircea_popescu: work a third shift, make yourself a bunch of ipads too.

03:17:50 decimation: when everyone wants an ipad that works well, but it appears apple's sexy has worn off a bit

03:18:05 ben_vulpes: they still go for a decent markup in ars

03:20:20 decimation: !up Diablo-D3

03:21:13 Diablo-D3: yay

03:21:17 Diablo-D3: so

03:21:28 Diablo-D3: did someone really class action bfl?

03:21:38 mircea_popescu: a year ago.

03:22:05 Diablo-D3: did it go anywhere?

03:22:10 decimation: lol http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/technology/exposing-hidden-biases-at-google-to-improve-diversity.html << I believe this was predicted here awhile ago

03:22:12 assbot: Log In - The New York Times

03:22:12 mircea_popescu: not yet.

03:22:18 Diablo-D3: because I find it hilarious that people are just NOW realizing

03:22:22 Diablo-D3: that they're a scam

03:22:26 Diablo-D3: evne though I knew it years ago

03:22:31 Diablo-D3: and nuked all the bfl threads

03:22:46 Diablo-D3: and lost my bitcointalk modship over it

03:23:01 Diablo-D3: because apparently bfl was a smart enough scammer to "donate" a lot of money to bitcointalk

03:23:03 Diablo-D3: lololol

03:23:07 Diablo-D3: in the end, I am right

03:23:09 Diablo-D3: I am always right

03:23:14 Diablo-D3: it is a universal constant

03:23:17 mircea_popescu: !down Diablo-D3

03:23:19 mircea_popescu: eh shuttup

03:23:51 asciilifeform: Diablo-D3 was on dope...?

03:24:18 mircea_popescu: he has his moments.

03:26:36 decimation: it will be depressing to watch google slowly merge into usg

03:26:44 asciilifeform: slowly? lol

03:26:49 mircea_popescu: why depressing ?

03:27:19 decimation: it rings the bell labeled "no escape" for all to hear in us-land

03:27:26 mircea_popescu: http://www.bitcoinprivilege.com/cazalla_forum_posts.html << gotta commend cazalla for his honesty lol.

03:27:27 assbot: Forum Posts

03:27:30 asciilifeform: as if it is possible to have independent existence from usg while being 'the #1 xxx' in u.s. media organs ever.

03:27:53 asciilifeform: no escape << what evidence they ever tried to 'escape'

03:28:06 decimation: none

03:28:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, ever seen the lives of others ?

03:28:31 asciilifeform: nope

03:28:40 mircea_popescu: a, maybe worth sometime.

03:28:49 decimation: in fact the evidence we have is that they have tried to merge with usg since it became thinkable

03:28:51 *: asciilifeform puts on list

03:28:58 mircea_popescu: very good rendition of east berlin life and times.

03:29:01 mircea_popescu: mid 80

03:29:02 mircea_popescu: s

03:29:19 asciilifeform: east berlin mid 80s << aha, where i live now but with better people.

03:30:08 asciilifeform: when this kind of thing comes up, for some reason all i can think of is a fellow who worked in a lab across the hall from my old place of work - who fessed up to playing 'call of duty: iraq' while... in iraq

03:30:10 mircea_popescu: it's gets enough very subtle things exactly right for me to call it an passible teaching substitute for actual experience

03:30:38 mircea_popescu: also check out what butchery i made of english in that phrase!

03:30:39 decimation: asciilifeform: lol

03:31:07 decimation: he was probably in some air conditioned bunker "in the field"

03:35:31 asciilifeform: likely.

03:58:30 decimation: asciilifeform: have you taken the CADR verilog design published by Mr. Parker and run them on your own chip?

03:58:58 asciilifeform: decimation: nope.

03:59:48 asciilifeform: decimation: i'm not really enamored of the cadr as such

04:00:36 decimation: no but it would be an interesting exercise in archaeology

04:01:02 asciilifeform: decimation: others have, if i recall, carried out this exercise. it isn't considerably more interesting than running the emulator.

04:01:26 decimation: yeah good point. I'm gonna work on getting my 'opengenera' vm working again

04:09:36 asciilifeform: decimation: opengenera vm << goes great with a set of these: http://imgur.com/nR6mErg

04:09:36 assbot: talmud - Imgur

04:09:59 asciilifeform: (ignore blue backbreaker, that's 'xerox')

04:10:36 asciilifeform: and yes, technically these are all hypertext-accessible (yes, possibly first instance of hypertext used industrially) in og. but paper is nice.

04:11:21 asciilifeform: i should like to find a buyer for these. before it's too late (and then i ask them to be brought to my peine forte et dure.)

04:12:27 decimation: asciilifeform: lol. Yeah when I saw demos of genera, I thought "wait, did they invent hypertext too"?

04:12:51 asciilifeform: hard to say who invented. but who used to greatest effect, earliest - yes, them.

04:12:54 decimation: it seems like it is a hell of alot better than the shit berners-lee put out

04:39:42 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: to you have a sister named deedee?

04:41:11 thestringpuller: did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company that would be the end all to mining datacenters?

04:43:45 ben_vulpes: !up Diablo-D3

04:44:08 ben_vulpes: !up Diablo-D3

04:44:46 Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: no

04:44:51 Diablo-D3: I refunded investors and pulled out

04:45:03 thestringpuller: hehe that's what she said

04:45:13 thestringpuller: well i guess that's what he said?

04:45:31 Diablo-D3: heh.

04:45:38 Diablo-D3: but yeah, the whole DMC thing was hilarious

04:45:43 Diablo-D3: people keep calling me scam over it

04:45:49 Diablo-D3: yet it paid out more than was originally invested

04:46:36 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust Diablo-D3

04:46:37 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011

04:46:42 ben_vulpes: this is true?

04:46:57 dub: sure, just not to the people who bought at IPO

04:47:14 Diablo-D3: dub: actually a lot of them stuck until the end and got their money back

04:47:22 ben_vulpes: lol @ Luke-Jr's rating

04:47:25 Diablo-D3: the only people who "lost" were those who idiotically paniced

04:47:27 ben_vulpes: -1 "i dunno"

04:47:30 Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: yeah, luke-jr is a scam

04:47:34 dub: I doubt that but it should have been a whorthwhile lesson

04:47:52 Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: its why I dont care about wot, its not policed

04:47:55 dub: whorethwhile?

04:48:08 ben_vulpes: it's adequately policed

04:48:10 dub: anyway, you can't put a price on education, Diablo-D3 is no scammer

04:48:25 Diablo-D3: dub: yes, whorethwhile

04:48:35 ben_vulpes: i know danielpbarron vaguely, i know Luke-Jr vaguely, i know how to weight their ratings

04:48:43 ben_vulpes: dag - you have a 5 from nanotube?

04:49:02 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: no, you're a troll

04:49:05 Diablo-D3: lol

04:49:20 dub: a surprising retort

04:49:29 Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: yes, Im a troll that wrote a very important piece of software that a lot of people donated a lot of money to help make happen

04:49:37 Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: now only if you could do that.

04:49:38 ben_vulpes: aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux

04:49:39 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: lol, so important that nobody uses it

04:49:46 Diablo-D3: not anymore they dont

04:49:53 Diablo-D3: mining at home is dead

04:50:01 Diablo-D3: no profit in it, even if you own asics

04:50:31 dub: they all use the software you plagiarised now Luke-Jr

04:50:44 Luke-Jr: dub: you mean "maintain"

04:50:56 Luke-Jr: dub: I have always given full credit to all authors and contributors of BFGMiner

04:51:00 thestringpuller: nanotube needs to update his ratings

04:51:10 Diablo-D3: lol "maintain"

04:51:20 Diablo-D3: cgminer = C port of diablominer

04:51:21 dub: thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken

04:51:27 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: you wish

04:51:34 Luke-Jr: dub: it's not broken, it works well

04:51:39 thestringpuller: nanotube is also a ghost

04:51:40 Diablo-D3: bfgminer = cgminer fork that luke-jr did because ck wouldnt merge his shit patches

04:51:49 Diablo-D3: ergo

04:51:50 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr

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04:51:53 Luke-Jr: BFGMiner = cgminer-the-GPU-miner + FPGA and ASIC support

04:51:55 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3

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04:52:10 Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: except ck added fpga and asic support himself

04:52:13 Luke-Jr: cgminer = BFGMiner fork because ck wanted free hardware for doing nothing

04:52:17 ben_vulpes: ;;seen joecool

04:52:18 gribble: joecool was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <joecool> do you really have to ask

04:52:18 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: liar

04:52:24 Diablo-D3: free hardware fo rdoing nothing? nope

04:52:39 Diablo-D3: he wanted the hardware on hand to actually test changes

04:52:48 Diablo-D3: and guess what? he got the hardware in the end.

04:52:57 Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: you forget, I actually know ck, you dont

04:53:00 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: guess what? he successfully trolled. doesn't make it any less of a troll.

04:53:17 Diablo-D3: lol Luke-Jr is so goddamned butthurt

04:53:18 Luke-Jr: anyone who knows ck knows he's a pain

04:53:35 ben_vulpes: so what if troll? so what if pain?

04:53:55 Luke-Jr: ck has a very large reputation for being a difficult person to work with

04:53:58 ben_vulpes: surely the commit history shows ck's contribution or lack thereof.

04:54:02 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: yep

04:54:10 Diablo-D3: oh bullshit

04:54:17 Diablo-D3: ck just doesnt take shit from people

04:54:28 Diablo-D3: if he was hard to work with, I wouldnt have been friends with him for the last decade

04:54:57 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: that's why he hasn't had kernel patches accepted since forever, eh

04:55:29 Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: he hasnt?

04:55:29 Luke-Jr: concepts, yes, but only after someone else has to go basically rewrite them

04:55:38 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: nope, even I have more recent Linux commits

04:55:40 Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: -ck is out for 3.16 or whatever the newest kernel is

04:55:46 Luke-Jr: -ck is not Linux itself

04:55:56 Luke-Jr: it's a fork

04:55:58 Luke-Jr: like cgminer

04:56:12 Diablo-D3: its not a fork you idiot

04:56:14 Diablo-D3: its a patchset.

04:56:20 Luke-Jr: that's another word for fork

04:56:23 Diablo-D3: its bfs plus a few other patches

04:56:29 Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: no, it requires the linux source

04:56:32 Diablo-D3: you have to apply the patch

04:56:37 Luke-Jr: irrelevant

04:56:43 Luke-Jr: that's just a technical way of distributing code

04:56:44 Diablo-D3: can someone ban Luke-Jr?

04:57:02 Diablo-D3: the signal to noise ratio in this channel went to shit when he came in

04:57:03 ben_vulpes: needs one more negrate

04:57:10 Luke-Jr: all a git repo is, is a patch set

04:57:25 ben_vulpes: its a fascinating slapfight i gotta say

04:58:00 Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: not much of a slapfight when I have written code, and so has ck, and Luke-Jr hasnt actually done anything.

04:58:12 ben_vulpes: eh, link me

04:58:12 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: you're simply a liar, nothing more

04:58:16 Luke-Jr: if anyone should be banned, it's you

04:58:31 Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: I have seen your "code"

04:58:33 Diablo-D3: it is lol.

04:58:41 Diablo-D3: theres a reason why ck denied some of your patches

04:58:43 Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: you are lol

04:58:47 ben_vulpes: until i see commits (ideally signed, but i don't think people were into that sort of thing back then) it's all hot air as far as i can tell

04:58:55 ben_vulpes: hola nanotube

04:58:55 *: nanotube haunts thestringpuller ooooOOOOO

04:58:56 Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: diablominer is on github

04:58:59 Diablo-D3: hey nanotube

04:59:01 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually

04:59:04 nanotube: howdy folks :)

04:59:16 ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: oh and do explain why

04:59:17 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: plenty on https://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer

04:59:18 assbot: luke-jr/bfgminer GitHub

04:59:54 ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: lol i ain't digging through y'all's shitpile

05:00:07 ben_vulpes: link me to introducing commits tho and i'll start to care

05:00:10 xanthyos: someone i know on tinychat is trying to dump btc to me at spot. i hope i don't come out looking like a fool. that's more of a worry than the money loss at this point: appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores

05:00:24 xanthyos: i can't NOT buy though

05:00:28 ben_vulpes: yeah you can

05:00:30 ben_vulpes: just don't

05:00:43 nanotube: xanthyos: why not ask for a discount to spot

05:00:50 ben_vulpes: 20% is what - 80 bucks per right now?

05:01:02 xanthyos: i'll definitely round it in my favor

05:02:14 thestringpuller: oh wow nanotube speaks!

05:02:46 thestringpuller: you still feel the same about MagicalTux? ;)

05:04:02 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: I can't find it now, but the Linux kernel used to have a writeup why commits shouldn't be PGP signed

05:04:04 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company << 1 mn BITCOIN. get it straight.,

05:04:24 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: IIRC it was related to signing implying you have audited the complete state of the code, not just the diff

05:04:44 ben_vulpes: well that's a load of malarkey.

05:05:11 ben_vulpes: the other arguments i've heard is a) weakens "importance" of signatures and b) leaks keys

05:05:14 ben_vulpes: a) lol

05:05:14 Luke-Jr: probably also because git maintainers like to rebase commits regularly

05:05:19 ben_vulpes: b) don't sign too often.

05:05:37 ben_vulpes: well then the sig goes bad and tough luck.

05:05:37 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i don't know my history very well even though i lived it

05:05:43 thestringpuller: ewww rebase commits

05:05:54 thestringpuller: good way to lose your history

05:05:55 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: also, the sig can't prove who wrote the code anyway

05:06:04 ben_vulpes: da

05:06:06 ben_vulpes: fuq

05:06:17 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: it would be trivial for Con to take my commits and reauthor them with his own signature, for example

05:06:25 Luke-Jr: (although I doubt he'd go that far)

05:06:45 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: nano just updated a few ratings

05:06:48 Luke-Jr: thestringpuller: yeah, I'm not a big fan of rebasing, but that's how the git culture works :/

05:06:54 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux << i don't think he ever revisits them or anytrhing

05:06:57 ben_vulpes: wouldn't really pass an inspection tbh

05:07:42 Luke-Jr: nanotube: wow, your new rating for Mark is harsh! :o

05:07:44 mircea_popescu: <dub> thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken << nah. if you know who people are you know what to discount. if you don't know, you can't use their ratings anyway.

05:07:47 BingoBoingo: nanotube ratings watch http://dpaste.com/05T9JSY

05:07:47 assbot: dpaste: 05T9JSY

05:07:55 Luke-Jr: nanotube: the news last I checked said the police don't buy the conspiracy theories

05:08:53 ben_vulpes: police? what is this.

05:09:05 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: you know, the people investigating the MtGox incident

05:09:24 mircea_popescu: well this banstuff has been an amusing read.

05:09:25 Luke-Jr: who actually have access to information

05:09:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20631 @ 0.00074823 = 15.4367 BTC [-] {3}

05:09:42 Luke-Jr: unlike me or most people

05:09:44 ben_vulpes: yes, the entirely honest and upright japanese police.

05:09:54 mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr you read some conspiracy theories about what the police is buying ?

05:10:11 Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: conspiracy theories being people saying Mark did it, with no evidence

05:10:18 mircea_popescu: <Luke-Jr> ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually << by idiots.

05:10:20 Luke-Jr: police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information

05:10:49 Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots?

05:11:00 mircea_popescu: xanthyos> appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores << maybe you need a new reddit ?

05:11:08 Luke-Jr: lol

05:11:09 BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL?

05:11:20 ben_vulpes: <Luke-Jr> mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots? << a large number of them. do we not hear of linus routinely reaming people for idiocy?

05:11:22 Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: wat?

05:11:43 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: that's a point. XD

05:11:48 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

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05:12:04 ben_vulpes: ;;rate luke-jr -1 tard, fud: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849440

05:12:05 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 04:59:01; Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually

05:12:07 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user luke-jr has been recorded.

05:12:16 BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well, BFL has only very recently been shutdown and taken into recievership for merely doing what they've been doing for their entire run.

05:12:18 ben_vulpes: !down Luke-Jr

05:12:24 nanotube: Luke-Jr: not implying culpability, simply that i wouldn't trade with him given all the stuff hanging over his head

05:12:34 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL? << the notion that "the police" has "the information" is such lmao.

05:12:38 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: what I said is true, even if you disagree with it

05:12:39 ben_vulpes: well, you've got fifteen minutes, Luke-Jr. make the best of 'em.

05:12:43 mircea_popescu: they've got what they finally managed to read on fraudsters, basically.

05:12:56 Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: did the feds at some point say BFL was legit?

05:13:07 Luke-Jr: nanotube: ah, makes sense

05:13:19 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr

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05:13:21 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3

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05:13:28 ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: your assertion of such doth not proof make.

05:13:36 BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Never, one judge commented that there wasn't enough in front of him at the time to revoke Sonny's parole, far from an endorsement

05:13:37 Luke-Jr: nanotube: btw, any idea why b-otc.com is broken?

05:13:47 Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: my point exactly

05:13:59 Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: Japanese police have stated they don't think Mark is involved in the crime

05:14:11 ben_vulpes: he was still at the helm.

05:14:14 mircea_popescu: no they didn't lol.

05:14:15 nanotube: Luke-Jr: seems to work for me, just checked.

05:14:18 Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: yes, he screwed up big time

05:14:21 ben_vulpes: it happened on his watch.

05:14:23 Luke-Jr: nanotube: weird :/

05:14:45 mircea_popescu: what the fuck dorkhead do you have to be to believe sssomething like that. "o the police said this guy isn't involved". how'd they know and why'd they say that.

05:14:50 ben_vulpes: !up Diablo-D3

05:15:00 Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: they're investigating the theft

05:15:06 mircea_popescu: right.

05:15:09 Luke-Jr: and have access to information we don't

05:15:14 mircea_popescu: no, they don't.

05:15:24 Luke-Jr: nanotube: try over IPv6?

05:15:24 BingoBoingo: No reason police aren't for sale like anyone else.

05:15:26 mircea_popescu: but that aside : that's the definition of "investigating" : they dion;t know who did what

05:15:28 mircea_popescu: and who's not involved.

05:15:45 mircea_popescu: just because the idiots you normally shill at can't read japanese doesn't mean you actually get to propose nonsense in here as fact.

05:16:15 Luke-Jr: I don't shill.

05:17:18 Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: too bad, I don't save every news article I read.

05:17:23 mircea_popescu: right.

05:17:31 mircea_popescu: because "news articles" are a source now.

05:17:33 ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: amusingly, you can't even find them when the time comes.

05:18:05 ben_vulpes: not that any of them are written by a key i know anyways.

05:18:23 Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: "news articles" was the topic

05:18:24 Dimsler: Luke-Jr, wtf are you talking about

05:18:31 mircea_popescu: but the very notion that "the police"'d have some sort of priviledged access to information...

05:18:36 mircea_popescu: holy shit, that takes the cake.

05:18:41 Luke-Jr: Dimsler: ?

05:18:44 Dimsler: i know

05:18:48 nanotube: mircea_popescu: they /should/ have the entire gox database, unlike the general public.

05:18:49 Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: they do

05:18:49 mircea_popescu:

05:18:59 mircea_popescu: nanotube you mean that thing that was stolen off their servers 5x ?

05:19:04 mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure they do o.o

05:19:08 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, maybe they have access to the "secret" server

05:19:13 mircea_popescu: yeah, right.

05:19:20 mircea_popescu: maybe they have access to their own behinds.

05:19:23 Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: it's pretty obvious MagicalTux isn't allowed to publicly say a lot of stuff

05:19:32 mircea_popescu: seems unlikely, giving what we know of public servants, but why not hoep.

05:19:33 Luke-Jr: that stuff, the police have access to

05:19:58 nanotube: mircea_popescu: sure, except it wasn't the entire thing? it was a particular date range, plus as i recall not all transactions?

05:20:00 mircea_popescu: yeah because co-conspirator testimony is like the be all end all of truthsources.

05:20:08 mircea_popescu: nanotube now how would one know this ?

05:20:30 nanotube: i distinctly recall it didn't have some of my earliest transactions :P

05:20:52 mircea_popescu: which one of the leaked versions of which particular breach ?

05:21:03 nanotube: also, were there usd input/outputs? or just btc?

05:21:07 nanotube: haha i don't even know :P

05:21:13 mircea_popescu: i rest.

05:21:23 mircea_popescu: let's talk of something else, this can't not end up retarded.

05:21:25 nanotube: hehe me too! sleep time :)

05:21:30 Luke-Jr: XD

05:22:04 *: Luke-Jr goes back to code

05:22:18 mircea_popescu: don't forget to sign it.

05:22:38 mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me, the ba deeds registrar thing will be a not-so-bad way to distribute source.

05:22:43 mircea_popescu: speaking of which,

05:22:47 mircea_popescu: ;;seen molokodesk

05:22:47 gribble: molokodesk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <MolokoDesk> yeah, there's a pending item stuck in the queue because it missed (probably) it's block.

05:23:06 RagnarDanneskjol: hes working on it hastily

05:23:16 mircea_popescu: aite

05:23:17 ben_vulpes: that's a poor way to work on things

05:23:24 RagnarDanneskjol: i kno

05:23:43 mircea_popescu: guy had a month, ended up cramming most of it after the 20th or something ?

05:23:46 ben_vulpes: let's see if this works yet

05:23:49 mircea_popescu: gotta work hygienically yo!

05:23:50 ben_vulpes: !down Luke-Jr

05:24:02 mircea_popescu: !down ben_vulpes

05:24:09 mircea_popescu: oddly, you're reg'd

05:24:15 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot ben_vulpes

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05:24:25 ben_vulpes: odd how?

05:24:35 mircea_popescu: well if you're reg'd why doesn't the down take

05:24:50 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla ?

05:24:59 ben_vulpes: caching somewhere.

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05:27:35 ben_vulpes: for the record, signing not your own commits is anathema and will eventually be outed.

05:27:50 ben_vulpes: a signed tag is a different thing.

05:28:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes eh ?

05:28:23 RagnarDanneskjol: explain signed tag pls

05:28:24 mircea_popescu: why, if you've read it ?

05:28:40 ben_vulpes: RagnarDanneskjol: you're familiar with tagging in git?

05:28:45 RagnarDanneskjol: sure

05:28:59 RagnarDanneskjol: why bettr or different

05:29:14 asciilifeform: why commits shouldn't be PGP signed... leaks keys << sorta like the idea that one shouldn't blow nose - leaks brains. yes, given some misconfigurations of the body - this can actually happen.

05:29:31 mircea_popescu: lol

05:29:33 ben_vulpes: a commit is "i did this code"

05:29:36 mircea_popescu: splendid analogy

05:29:44 ben_vulpes: a tag is "this release bears my stamp"

05:29:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can i commit code my slavegirl wrote on her offline abacus ?

05:29:52 RagnarDanneskjol: OH yea

05:29:53 ben_vulpes: tux might nota been a party to the crime, but it happened under his watch.

05:30:12 ben_vulpes: you can do anything you want

05:30:16 ben_vulpes: how your wot handles it is unresolved

05:30:20 mircea_popescu: so then if i sign a commit you made, what's the problem ?

05:31:06 ben_vulpes: why not encrypt messages to bitcoin private keys? it works, what's the problem?

05:31:20 mircea_popescu: can you stick to arguing your idea instead of arguing around ?

05:32:32 ben_vulpes: i'll try.

05:33:33 ben_vulpes: the commit is "here is a diff of thing before i started work today, and thing after i finished this feature." it may include tests, changes to other miscellaneous stuff. it should exist (in my opinion, i may be wrong and might need to be argued out of this) as a statement that "i did this work". this clearly gets hazy when you've got multiple eyes on a screen.

05:34:04 ben_vulpes: and multiple people providing input into what precisely should be done. however, the buck must stop with the signer of the commit.

05:34:17 thestringpuller: diff of commit hash in blockchain?

05:34:36 ben_vulpes: also i don't really know that git affords for you signing my hash and including it in the repository, from a technical perspective.

05:34:47 ben_vulpes: er, commit.

05:35:01 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but see, if what you mean to say is "signing actual commits may be taking on more responsibility than you realise", why say "anathema" ?

05:35:23 mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, all signatories of a thing are joint and several responsible for it.

05:35:42 ben_vulpes: that's why the signatory of the commit can only be held responsible for changes introduced in that commit.

05:35:50 mircea_popescu: if that's what you're trying to do, it's not anathema, it's the right thing. if it's not what you're trying to do it's still not anathema, just, you're misguidedly using the tools

05:36:06 ben_vulpes: sure, i made a change to openssl, and i stand behind it. that should not be taken to be an endorsement of the project.

05:36:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes basically the practica application would be, once X bug is found, grep for the code and whenever you find it in something someone signed, tear them a new one.

05:36:42 ben_vulpes: what would it mean for it to be in something that someone signed?

05:36:50 ben_vulpes: that's the importance of signing the diff.

05:37:01 mircea_popescu: well up to the signer what he signs.

05:37:25 ben_vulpes: that's why the commit is the right thing for a contributor to sign.

05:37:35 ben_vulpes: "i changed these things, and i take responsibility for the content of the change."

05:37:51 ben_vulpes: now if you strip whitespace on a line that later turns out to have a mission-critical hole...

05:37:54 mircea_popescu: sure, if that's what he means that's what he should do.

05:38:04 mircea_popescu: mno.

05:38:10 mircea_popescu: fuck you, don't dick around with lines you don't udnerstand.

05:38:18 mircea_popescu: "all i did was the space guise" psshhhh

05:38:20 ben_vulpes: d'accord.

05:38:51 mircea_popescu: the entire point of the exercise is to make people fucking affraid to write code.

05:38:57 asciilifeform: ^

05:38:58 ben_vulpes: now in the tag, you include a message: "this signed tag is my stamp upon the whole and entirety of the codebase".

05:39:01 mircea_popescu: that' the only way they'll stop long enough to read something.

05:39:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's nonsense. what's this, a badly specified bitbet bet ?

05:39:25 ben_vulpes: or, "this signed tag is my stamp on lines xx-yy in file thus.hs"

05:39:39 mircea_popescu: no dude, you include what you sign between --begin and end

05:39:43 ben_vulpes: i'm demonstrating the range of what's possible, not what i'd do.

05:39:49 mircea_popescu: no signature-by-reference. now THAT'

05:39:51 mircea_popescu: s anathema.

05:40:02 ben_vulpes: and you probably want to hash the lines and sign the hash to boot.

05:40:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#794835 << example of responsibility

05:40:18 assbot: Logged on 13-08-2014 20:08:25; asciilifeform: one calls out recipe steps; one actually tightens the bolt, whatever; one - verifies. then they all sign.

05:40:30 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: right.

05:40:53 ben_vulpes: what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own.

05:41:17 ben_vulpes: if i find commits like that without a "copied without permission from XXX" -- that's a demerit.

05:41:36 asciilifeform: (example not necessarily applicable to given domain, but specifically of folks taking actual responsibility for their actions)

05:42:36 asciilifeform: as for this entire thread - being pessimist, imho any software project which appears to call for this level of organizational complexity - is a lost cause.

05:42:41 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you could only make people terrified in this system if everyone was required to sign commits no?

05:42:58 asciilifeform: and yes, that means, e.g., linux kernel.

05:44:12 *: asciilifeform back to sleep

05:44:31 ben_vulpes: in 20 years, a bitcoin implementation may be software people's "masterpiece" work - eg the piece of work that grants one the title of "master" in the field.

05:45:55 ben_vulpes: if i see this day i will be a happy man.

05:54:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5390 @ 0.00075234 = 4.0551 BTC [+]

05:54:14 thestringpuller: isn't linux kind of that to operating systems?

05:54:19 thestringpuller: ^ ben_vulpes

05:55:31 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own. << why ?

05:55:54 mircea_popescu: there's no permission to be had or sought. this is free software.

05:56:34 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no. girls aren't required to fuck anyone and yet they're well terrified of not doing a good job in bed.

05:58:25 Dimsler: what about rape

06:03:09 mircea_popescu: what abou it ?

06:21:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what if someone doesn't sign "heartbleed introduction" then no one is accountable and system is moot

06:21:19 mircea_popescu: don't use it if you don't like how it's signed.

06:21:58 thestringpuller: but this means software that is signed everywhere has more accountability than software that doesn't

06:25:19 mircea_popescu: right

06:29:15 mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown bitbet.us

06:29:16 gribble: bitbet.us is up

06:29:21 mircea_popescu: da fuck.

06:52:28 thestringpuller: up for me?

07:01:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00074955 = 12.6674 BTC [-]

07:09:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00074928 = 10.9395 BTC [-]

07:28:30 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 40(Y):60(N) by weight. Total bet: 42.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 28,540.

07:54:04 RagnarDanneskjol: are there any time-bending' methods for proving a doc [notarized electronically*] is not added[forged] to db AFTER some point in time? like a 'carbondated' irrefutable binary marker [or tensor more like]. for instance, unique single use keypair for each new calendar day thats signed by [or a hash of] some other newly generated 'time-dependent' keypair + 'something else'[ie classified new

07:54:04 RagnarDanneskjol: sapr ad but more easily recoverable]. we'll presume the date record of keys published is unreliable/unavail/innacurate [including classifieds which could fall into all 3 categories] and placing aside the single use pair being vulnerable to forger obtaining historical key pairs in advance.

07:54:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00074918 = 12.4738 BTC [-]

08:10:03 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well how are you going to put the hash in a block retroactively ?

08:11:17 mircea_popescu: but anyway, this discussion can continue tomorrow, i'm off.

08:11:27 RagnarDanneskjol: assuming it is compromised (not thinking about btc here at all)

08:11:30 RagnarDanneskjol: ok

08:21:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00074779 = 45.4656 BTC [-] {4}

08:41:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17608 @ 0.00074698 = 13.1528 BTC [-] {2}

09:14:00 RagnarDanneskjol: re carbondating notary - some concepts here for consideration [PMCP, reducing model checking many to few, etc] http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~kahlon/papers/many-to-few.pdf

09:14:20 RagnarDanneskjol: also this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_notation

09:14:20 assbot: Einstein notation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09:26:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00074946 = 1.1991 BTC [+] {2}

09:28:06 fluffypony: bonjour davout

09:28:20 fluffypony: Ça va?

09:28:40 davout: bien le bonjour

09:28:47 davout: oui et toi-même ?

09:29:39 fluffypony: ça va comme ci, comme ça :)

10:26:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00074757 = 12.4844 BTC [-]

10:39:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25267 @ 0.00075274 = 19.0195 BTC [+] {2}

10:41:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00075076 = 7.3574 BTC [-]

11:59:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16439 @ 0.00075103 = 12.3462 BTC [+] {2}

12:08:42 kakobrekla: ben_vulpes nah, i just fucked around with the db while moving ass.

12:12:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28807 @ 0.0007505 = 21.6197 BTC [-] {2}

13:11:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00075283 = 18.4443 BTC [+]

14:07:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00075043 = 12.7948 BTC [-]

14:14:23 mats_cd03: 03:06:03 decimation:before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked <<there's a 2013 model? whats the difference with 2012?

14:27:19 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849231 < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#848053

14:27:20 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 03:06:03; decimation: before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked

14:27:20 assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 19:41:17; kakobrekla: (first day i had it, it flew about 3m vertically on a concrete floor)

14:39:56 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:39:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 381.0, Best ask: 381.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 381.01, 24 hour volume: 22154.10823573, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 393.51, 24 hour vwap: 379.630123584

14:40:26 ThickAsThieves: !s thickasthieves 360s

14:40:26 assbot: 0 results for 'thickasthieves 360s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360s

14:40:53 ThickAsThieves: !s thickasthieves 360s

14:40:54 assbot: 0 results for 'thickasthieves 360s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360s

14:40:57 ThickAsThieves: !s thickasthieves 360

14:40:57 assbot: 2 results for 'thickasthieves 360' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360

14:40:58 ThickAsThieves: derp

14:46:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00075043 = 18.9108 BTC [-]

15:15:16 ThickAsThieves: "Specifically, the testimony of several former employees and Vice President of Product Development Josh Zerlan shows that instead of fulfilling orders immediately, Defendants used their customers’ machines to mine Bitcoins for themselves before shipping the now-used machines to their customers."

15:15:39 ThickAsThieves: "The machines being tested were collectively hashing at a rate of 12 terrahashes per second (TH/s). At that time, this comprised approximately 3 percent of the hash rate of the entire bitcoin network."

15:16:51 ThickAsThieves: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-butterfly-labs-mined-bitcoins-on-customers-boxes-before-shipping/

15:16:51 assbot: Feds: Butterfly Labs mined bitcoins on customers boxes before shipping | Ars Technica

15:17:20 los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker

15:21:20 ThickAsThieves: Circle is open for business, that should halve Coinbase's lifespan

15:24:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00074726 = 21.4837 BTC [-] {3}

15:33:06 ben_vulpes: their hamburger menu illustration is hilarious

15:33:16 ben_vulpes: er

15:33:18 ben_vulpes: animation

15:37:19 ThickAsThieves: "Create a password" "minimum 6 characters"

15:38:39 ThickAsThieves: lol Intuit just responded to a 2yr-old service request from a developer that used to work for me

15:39:09 ThickAsThieves: "Hi, I'm interested in developing integration apps with Quickbooks online. May I sign up for a one year developer account?" too late Intuit

15:40:09 ben_vulpes: why does everything suck, ThickAsThieves

15:40:32 ben_vulpes: one guy says to hire a whole payroll company

15:40:39 ben_vulpes: another guy says to just use quickbooks payroll

15:40:43 ben_vulpes: i don't know wtf to do


15:42:54 TomServo: Am I seeing this right? Lenovo is paying less for IBMs server division than M$ paid for Mojang?

15:43:02 TomServo: Is this bizarro world?

15:43:49 mats_cd03: minecraft is a big deal and i think that's often understated in this channel

15:46:58 *: chetty hasn't noticed anyone even talking about minecraft here ..

15:47:38 mats_cd03: !s mojang

15:47:39 assbot: 4 results for 'mojang' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mojang

15:47:46 chetty: ben_vulpes, if you have employees where you have to do withholding and stuff, hire an outfit, cheaper in the long run

15:49:13 ThickAsThieves: <+ben_vulpes> one guy says to hire a whole payroll company /// in my experience doing your own payroll via QBO is better than paying ADP or such, but only if your staff knows some amount of accounting and tax filing

15:49:39 ThickAsThieves: it does make it easy, but at the risk of not knowing wtf to do if you have a problem and no accounting support

15:50:23 chetty: all the assorted tax filings and stuff are real time eaters

15:51:01 ThickAsThieves: and QBO doesnt make it clear when/what you need to mail yourself, vs submit online

15:51:24 ThickAsThieves: i learned by doing and it took a couple years to clean up the mess

15:51:33 ben_vulpes: > couple years

15:51:34 ben_vulpes: nope

15:51:38 ben_vulpes: thanks chetty, ThickAsThieves

15:51:52 chetty: been a few years since I did that sort of stuff but back then giving up and hiring a company was best move I made

15:52:58 ThickAsThieves: being a loner is where it's at

15:53:10 asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/09/fans-raise-cash-to-help-phone-phreaker-john-draper-aka-capn-crunch << had no idea he was alive

15:53:10 assbot: Fans raise cash to help phone phreaker John Draper, aka Capn Crunch | Ars Technica

15:54:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/my-coworkers-made-me-use-mac-os-9-for-their-and-your-amusement

15:54:05 assbot: My coworkers made me use Mac OS 9 for their (and your) amusement | Ars Technica

16:26:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00074597 = 36.0304 BTC [-] {4}

16:34:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00074764 = 6.6914 BTC [+]

16:38:52 ben_vulpes: http://online.wsj.com/articles/hong-kong-protests-swell-as-riot-police-withdraw-1411979074?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories << contrast w/ "occupy"

16:38:53 assbot: Hong Kong Protests Swell as Riot Police Withdraw - WSJ

16:42:32 mircea_popescu: ;;rated PeterL

16:42:33 gribble: You have not yet rated user PeterL

16:44:20 mircea_popescu: ;;rate PeterL 1 Guy fucked up his glbse assets 3 years ago. This is a fact. That fact may be explained as a smart guy failing in a soup of idiots, and the optimist in me is inclined towards it.

16:44:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded.

17:01:12 mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier

17:02:40 justusranvier: morning

17:03:38 mircea_popescu: how goes ?

17:04:12 chetty: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170977/gov%E2%80%99t-works-on-criminal-law-reform-to-fight-%E2%80%98blue%E2%80%99-dollar-

17:04:15 assbot: Govt works on criminal law reform to fight blue dollar - BuenosAiresHerald.com

17:04:53 ThickAsThieves: lol now Intuit gave the 1yr dev subscription...

17:05:40 mircea_popescu: huh ?

17:07:28 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: FYI: https://plus.google.com/events/c3hmjaeivvnd6oj02hvdo1ca658

17:08:19 mircea_popescu: justusranvier what am i lookin' at ?

17:08:49 mircea_popescu: Michael Goldstein presentats a tutorial on GPG contracts and the #bitcoin-otc web of trust. < that ?

17:09:01 justusranvier: We started syndicating our weekly bitcoin meetups.

17:09:20 justusranvier: So now they'll be put on YouTube

17:09:55 justusranvier: Instead of just teaching classes to the people who show up in person it spreads the reach a bit

17:10:08 justusranvier: He'll be talking about your GPG Contracts article.

17:10:33 mircea_popescu: aite, how can i help ?

17:11:34 justusranvier: Maybe one of these days you could get on a Hangout with us for a Q&A.

17:13:17 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-strategic-mission-list.pdf << mega-lol

17:13:35 mircea_popescu: what's a hangout ?

17:13:42 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/T0za6UsQ << deturdified

17:13:42 assbot: SECRET//COMINT//REL TO USA, AUS, CAN, GBR//20291123 United States SIGINT System - Pastebin.com

17:13:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol i saw that.

17:14:19 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Google's answer to Skype. Useful in that you can stream/record to YouTube

17:14:42 mircea_popescu: why must the format be bulky and impossible ? can't we do this ?

17:14:53 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/headlines-documents-ftc-vs-bfl-bitcoin-mining-case/

17:15:13 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Example: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8tHKJLkEYXX_C_yuDop1kC6UMozzCKXq

17:15:13 assbot: Austin Bitcoin Meetup Guest Speaker Series - YouTube

17:15:14 mircea_popescu: do this : hire a chick wherever your studio is located. i'll pay for her tiome, give her an xchat terminal and she can read my replies.

17:16:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.0007459 = 11.4123 BTC [-] {2}

17:17:49 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Could work

17:21:48 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/ftc-vs-bfl-bitcoin-mining/

17:22:59 mircea_popescu: !up moldysnizz

17:23:21 moldysnizz: Well howdy!

17:24:17 mircea_popescu: how goes

17:25:28 moldysnizz: It's pretty good so far. Slept in. No one around but a couple of dogs. Still breathing... Good shit right here.

17:25:59 moldysnizz: And I only fucked up my ;;bcverify once!

17:29:46 moldysnizz: I've been trying to wrap my head around rand().

17:29:56 moldysnizz: Computers making randome numbers? I don't think so.

17:30:40 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust moldysnizz

17:30:41 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask moldysnizz!~moldysniz@unaffiliated/moldysnizz. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user moldysnizz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=moldysnizz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moldysnizz | Rated since: never

17:31:27 moldysnizz: I was formarly chatquack, but the computer with the creds is in storage.

17:31:52 jurov: govt storage?

17:31:56 moldysnizz: heh

17:32:02 moldysnizz: Parents garage. ;)

17:33:39 mircea_popescu: lol

17:34:25 kakobrekla: moldysnizz you prolly need to read everything ascii ever said.

17:34:58 moldysnizz: In reguards to rand()?

17:35:08 kakobrekla: correct

17:35:10 moldysnizz: regards**

17:35:23 moldysnizz: *goes to the site*

17:35:26 kakobrekla: one star is enough

17:35:34 TheNewDeal: ***

17:35:37 kakobrekla: now fix it with "regards***"

17:35:56 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHz9wlBeLUa

17:35:56 assbot: Madonna - Lucky Star - YouTube

17:36:12 moldysnizz: regards! heh.

17:36:12 jurov: dunno, large part of that material is scattered around fraudsters

17:36:24 kakobrekla: !s from:asciilifeform

17:36:26 assbot: 26135 results for 'from:asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform

17:36:26 jurov: related to cardano rng

17:36:28 kakobrekla: moldysnizz ^^

17:36:30 moldysnizz: ty

17:36:35 mircea_popescu: !s "state of sin"

17:36:36 assbot: 7 results for '"state of sin"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22state+of+sin%22

17:36:45 TheNewDeal: Randomly scattered around fraudsters?

17:36:56 kakobrekla: not so randomly!

17:37:06 kakobrekla: quasi randomly perhaps

17:37:12 jurov: where did i wrote randomly?

17:37:14 mircea_popescu: there is method to this random!

17:37:24 kakobrekla: where did i wrote you wrote?

17:37:33 jurov: not you, TheNewDeal

17:37:33 mircea_popescu: jurov looks like your buffer got injected :D

17:37:43 kakobrekla: lel

17:37:44 jurov: kako's too

17:37:55 kakobrekla: we better sign irc lines

17:38:05 *: asciilifeform just saw, through window, an ornate 'sheriff' car, stopped. woman in police uniform emerges, tries to serve some kind of legal notice printed on large stiff paper to neighbour - who isn't home. she gets back in, drives off.

17:38:29 TheNewDeal: It was mostly a joke, on the topic of rand() ya know

17:38:55 kakobrekla: dud idk random jokes are so rand()

17:39:13 moldysnizz: wakka wakka

17:39:17 TheNewDeal: Ikr lol

17:39:45 jurov: dat my mind. just produced a thought "what if we measure fraudsters entropy? and what if it ends up being over-unity?"

17:40:01 bounce: txtspk, bringing humanity into easy AI territory from the other end

17:40:19 TheNewDeal: Makes me remember the markov chain fraudsters

17:40:29 mircea_popescu: jurov no wai

17:40:34 mircea_popescu: THESE INSULTS!!!1

17:41:46 jurov: ...

17:41:50 moldysnizz: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574674

17:41:54 assbot: Logged on 22-03-2014 17:19:21; asciilifeform: incidentally, my first exposure to the problem of RNGs with inadequate entropy was by accident, at uni

17:41:54 mircea_popescu: fraudsters entropy is 0

17:41:57 mircea_popescu: you just gotta know how to read it

17:42:06 mircea_popescu: unfortunately, it is a skill i seem to have mysplaced myself ;/

17:42:40 bounce: s/spl/sp/

17:42:41 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-witch-hunt/

17:43:16 jurov: fraudsters entropy is 0 << means 1 bit of fraudsters text contains 0 bits of information?

17:43:53 mircea_popescu: no, by way of 1 bit of fraudsters contsaining 1 bit of information and so no room for this entropy cheez

17:44:24 asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'

17:44:43 kakobrekla: isnt that a bit fast

17:45:01 bounce: "security by lack of entropy" -- my, wouldn't that be useful

17:45:17 mircea_popescu: ;;google time is going by really slow i think we might be dead

17:45:18 gribble: I think we're dead - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvct5fgEH_U; Police Officer steals Marijuana. - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU; What 3 things did you learn while you were in a near-death - TED.com: http://www.ted.com/conversations/2306/what_3_things_did_you_learn_wh.html

17:45:52 mircea_popescu: bounce it's basically asciilifeform's plan for computing.

17:46:26 asciilifeform: !s stone sword

17:46:26 assbot: 2 results for 'stone sword' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stone+sword

17:46:39 kakobrekla: !s hammer phone

17:46:40 assbot: 2 results for 'hammer phone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hammer+phone

17:47:01 mircea_popescu: !s biggus dickus

17:47:01 assbot: 0 results for 'biggus dickus' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=biggus+dickus

17:47:06 mircea_popescu: fixed now.

17:47:45 moldysnizz: He has a wife you know

17:47:52 kakobrekla: lel

17:49:31 moldysnizz: http://fraudsters.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/ intresting stuff!

17:49:32 assbot: Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:51:39 mircea_popescu: moldysnizz yeah!

17:55:31 jurov: !up moldysnizz

17:57:00 jurov: !up moldysnizz

17:57:20 moldysnizz: mircea_popescu, did you ever get a decent prototype of that RNG device working?

17:57:29 moldysnizz: thanks jurov!

17:58:37 kakobrekla: moldysnizz http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri1.jpg

17:58:55 moldysnizz: ooo fun!

17:59:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074764 = 7.9997 BTC [+]

18:00:26 moldysnizz: Is this like a Arduino?

18:00:56 kakobrekla: exactly like except completely opposite.

18:02:37 *: asciilifeform not sure how item in question could have been confused for 'arduino' - other than in both being small electrical gizmos

18:02:49 kakobrekla: both pcbs are blue

18:03:10 *: asciilifeform digs

18:03:23 asciilifeform: yes indeed - apparently an 'arduino' - blue.

18:03:23 mircea_popescu: moldysnizz a prototype, yes.

18:03:41 *: asciilifeform never had one, didn't know

18:03:59 *: kakobrekla has a few

18:04:46 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they're 'atmel'-something-or-others with a bunch of convenient plugs, yeah?

18:04:49 moldysnizz: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1427 ahh I didn't relize it was it's own thing. Looks fun!

18:04:50 assbot: Loper OS » Cardano Prototype Tidbits: TRNG Boards.

18:04:52 bounce: clearly, for production you must come up with an unique colour

18:05:52 kakobrekla: asciilifeform basically yea. you also have the arm editions in same package.

18:06:32 asciilifeform: moldysnizz: this particular item (trng) is a very simple but safety-critical (hence amount of effort spent on it) component of a larger apparatus.

18:07:53 moldysnizz: Right? Any decent crypto needs decent rng.

18:08:00 moldysnizz: I'm love'n it.

18:08:36 kakobrekla: i guess i expressed myself wrongly, as atmel indeed prints arm

18:09:07 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i thought 'arduino' used an 'atmega'

18:09:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00075066 = 8.7077 BTC [+]

18:09:57 kakobrekla: theres hundredths of versions and editions

18:10:04 kakobrekla: arm example http://www.elechouse.com/elechouse/images/product/Taijiuino/

18:10:10 asciilifeform: i never really grasped the appeal

18:10:21 mircea_popescu: ;;seen davout

18:10:22 gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <davout> oui et toi-même ?

18:10:23 asciilifeform: how hard is it to plant a micro in a breadboard or simple pcb ?

18:10:26 punkman: asciilifeform: the selling point is mostly the Arduino IDE

18:10:29 mircea_popescu: davout http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/#c4057 << you got a comment on this ?

18:10:29 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.87 B (8%) on Yes, 10.09 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 4 weeks | weight: 36`753 (100`000 to 1)

18:10:38 asciilifeform: ide << what's in there? sdcc?

18:10:46 kakobrekla: ide sux balls.

18:10:51 punkman: and the "community"

18:11:11 asciilifeform: or is this another 'basic stamp' where 'pr0gr4m w1th0ut pr0gr4mm1ng like a l33t ch1xx0r' affair ?

18:11:33 kakobrekla: i use em for dicking around mostly

18:13:26 kakobrekla: and bobms.

18:13:30 mircea_popescu: !up vorandrew

18:13:31 kakobrekla: bombs

18:13:57 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> exactly like except completely opposite. << lmao

18:14:09 *: asciilifeform can't read word 'arduino' without immediately thinking 'aradruin' from j.r.r.t's 'silmarillion' (and ru. translation of 'lord of rings')

18:16:01 punkman: cardanduino

18:16:18 jurov: !mpif

18:16:19 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.

18:17:07 *: moldysnizz chuckles

18:17:41 moldysnizz: Well, I have a shit-ton of reading now. Thanks for the info.

18:18:07 moldysnizz: I'm going to make my own TRNG. With hookers, and blackjack!

18:18:39 mircea_popescu: since you're doing that might as well go the whole nine yards

18:18:39 jurov: mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF has no text

18:18:39 assbot: F.MPIF last 1@0.00020614

18:18:43 mircea_popescu: make your own grilfriend

18:19:11 mircea_popescu: jurov looking

18:20:03 asciilifeform: grilfriend << 'i'm cooked on that side, please turn me over' (st lawrence of rome?)

18:21:20 *: kakobrekla never watched lord of the rings

18:21:26 mircea_popescu: me either.

18:21:48 asciilifeform: good book, but you need to be a kid to appreciate imho

18:22:06 asciilifeform: the film - depends if you go in for that kind of film

18:22:19 kakobrekla: wtf is with the round stones in the mpif fund, did you invest in that ?

18:23:01 asciilifeform: ;;google round stones beneath the earth

18:23:02 gribble: Neil Young - The Round Stones Beneath The Earth (Dead Man ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kQk8fborG4; Dead Man Script - Drew's Script-O-Rama: http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/d/dead-man-script-transcript-jarmusch.html; The Round Stones Beneath the Earth... — Neil Young — Last.fm: http://www.last.fm/music/Neil+Young/_/The+Round+Stones+Beneath+the+Earth...

18:24:24 mircea_popescu: jurov http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=F.MPIF <

18:24:25 assbot: F.MPIF last 1@0.00020614

18:24:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wait wut ?

18:24:56 jurov: gut :)

18:25:20 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849932

18:25:20 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 18:16:19; assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.

18:25:50 mircea_popescu: that'd be mike's doing

18:26:06 kakobrekla: speaking of mike

18:26:09 kakobrekla: ;;seen mike_c

18:26:09 gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k)

18:26:26 jurov: but the phrase is from assbot's fortune file?

18:26:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20899 @ 0.00075138 = 15.7031 BTC [+] {2}

18:26:38 kakobrekla: !mpif

18:26:39 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. Have you got any tobacco?

18:26:43 kakobrekla: lel

18:27:14 kakobrekla: its prolly the fact i cant code

18:28:57 kakobrekla: will that keep me off the list btw?

18:46:38 chetty: news.yahoo.com/israeli-circumcision-device-provokes-union-outcry-south-africa-141537701.html

18:49:24 nubbins`: chetty, there's a die antwoord song featuring a xhosa guy talking about circumcision

18:49:25 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbW9JqM7vho

18:49:25 assbot: Die Antwoord - Evil Boy (Explicit Version) - YouTube

18:50:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.0007472 = 2.2259 BTC [-]

18:51:34 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla NO!

18:52:35 kakobrekla: :(

18:53:44 Blazedout419: nubbins` got my poster!

18:53:49 fluffypony: please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins`

18:54:02 Blazedout419: Looks really nice...now to have it framed.

18:54:07 nubbins`: ah hahaha, fp is having an aneurysm no doubt

18:54:16 nubbins`: Blazedout419 great!

18:54:32 fluffypony: nubbins`: well the thing is, they're not even satirical or funny

18:55:15 fluffypony: they just take tidbits and snippets of red-neck society and then blow it completely out of proportion to try and make it "shocking"

18:58:53 mircea_popescu: fluffypony sounds like a decent recipe for humor neh ?

18:59:01 fluffypony: one would think so

18:59:22 fluffypony: but in doing so they mostly come across as "meh" instead of shocking

18:59:31 mircea_popescu: "Die Antwoord (pronounced [di'ɑnt.ʋoːrt], translation: "The Answer") is a South African rap-rave group formed in Cape Town in 2008."

18:59:33 mircea_popescu: ok nm lol.

18:59:36 mircea_popescu: rave. srsly ?

19:01:16 fluffypony: yeah, see my point?

19:01:18 fluffypony: :-P

19:01:38 mircea_popescu: i do actually.

19:03:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00074646 = 10.9483 BTC [-] {2}


19:14:13 thestringpuller: good afternoon homies

19:14:29 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu i have a quick question about the cardano

19:14:44 mircea_popescu: shoot

19:15:47 kakobrekla: is topace gone from irc for good?

19:17:08 xanthyos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuR-E1CcAICyNh.jpg << THIS GUY IS UNSKILLED AT SITTING ON AN AIR MATTRESS

19:19:35 mircea_popescu: xanthyos got a problem down there ?

19:20:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00074936 = 7.6809 BTC [+]

19:20:32 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if your question relates to design or manufacture, it is possible that i can help you

19:20:45 Apocalyptic: xanthyos, less caps ?

19:21:28 xanthyos: ya

19:21:46 nubbins`: o wow, just signed up for a circle account and used it for the first time

19:22:07 kakobrekla: thestringpuller yes, the pcb is blue.

19:22:09 nubbins`: such easy

19:22:17 mircea_popescu: can we be friends anymoar ?

19:23:06 nubbins`: imagine, buying btc with a credit card

19:23:09 kakobrekla: nubbins` did you encounter any amount of jerk with that?

19:23:24 nubbins`: kakobrekla as painless as taking a shit

19:23:43 nubbins`: transferred $50 from my credit card, immediately withdrew to cold storage address

19:23:50 Dimsler: lol circled

19:23:52 nubbins`: gonna wait a few days to verify cc fees and do the same in reverse

19:24:04 Dimsler: wait

19:24:11 Dimsler: circle will take CC and convert to btc?

19:24:14 nubbins`: yes

19:24:24 Dimsler: has anyone fed it hacked lines yet?

19:24:27 nubbins`: warning: cash advance fees may apply

19:24:29 Dimsler: whats the approval process?

19:24:42 nubbins`: no approval process, you just enter your billing details

19:24:49 Dimsler: no shit

19:25:02 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> kakobrekla as painless as taking a shit << ouch :D

19:25:11 mircea_popescu: so basically... just as long as wasn't a big shit.

19:25:12 nubbins`: mp eat more fibre ;)

19:25:16 kakobrekla: or bricks

19:25:22 Dimsler: too much steak

19:25:30 mircea_popescu: Dimsler> has anyone fed it hacked lines yet? << i imagine not really so far.

19:25:38 nubbins`: what amazes me is that they managed to insure this whole process somehow

19:25:47 mircea_popescu: yet.

19:26:04 Dimsler: circle is going down

19:26:11 Dimsler: once the nigerians hear about it taking cc

19:26:13 Dimsler: for btc

19:26:14 Duffer1: that all sounds ripe for abuse

19:26:20 Dimsler: i know

19:26:30 Dimsler: sitting there feeding cvvs

19:28:14 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it relates to "intended use". I want to know if a certain scenario is in scope.

19:28:26 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ideally, ask here, but if you must - pgp

19:28:39 asciilifeform: i can't think of any reason not to ask publiclyh

19:28:52 thestringpuller: We are talking publicly?

19:29:04 thestringpuller: I was just wondering if you were in the mood to take questions :P

19:29:14 Dimsler: who the fuck is stringpuller

19:29:16 kakobrekla: is in scope if you hook it up to one

19:29:23 thestringpuller: :D

19:29:31 asciilifeform: i will be, for at least another ten minutes, then i go & take break from computer, cut a little aluminum

19:29:56 nubbins`: oh lel, my visa-enabled debit card works, too

19:30:19 Dimsler: lol wow

19:30:22 Dimsler: no idea verification?

19:30:26 kakobrekla: see nubbins` try out his 584 cards going broke

19:30:28 Dimsler: er

19:30:30 Dimsler: ID

19:30:41 nubbins`: Dimsler nope just cvv

19:30:48 Dimsler: whats the limit to load in?

19:30:56 nubbins`: $500 per week, it seems

19:31:14 mircea_popescu: Dimsler what a stupid q lol. how would they enforce a limit ?

19:31:30 mircea_popescu: 10k ips, 10k stolen cards, 10k bitcoins and womenz ain't one.

19:31:39 Dimsler: LOL

19:31:44 Duffer1: yep

19:31:57 Dimsler: 10k bitcoin = womenz

19:32:14 mircea_popescu: ;;got 99 problems womenz ain't one

19:32:15 gribble: Error: "got" is not a valid command.

19:32:16 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: let's have your scenario.

19:32:17 mircea_popescu: ;;google got 99 problems womenz ain't one

19:32:18 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: could the cardano be used as a blackbox key generator? for instance someone once escrow keys that are one time use, the device can sign a message utilizing these generated keys, but they are inevitably destroyed, and no one has true record of the private keys used to sign said message

19:32:18 gribble: I Got 99 Problems But a Bitch Ain't One | Know Your Meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-got-99-problems-but-a-bitch-aint-one; I swear to God I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one /.. – All Me: http://rap.genius.com/2053385/Drake-all-me/I-swear-to-god-i-got-99-problems-but-a-bitch-aint-one-i-got-99-problems-getting-rich-aint-one; Spreadshirt Women's 99 Problems But My (1 more message)

19:32:42 thestringpuller: i apologize for the disarray of thoughts. a dpaste more flushed out maybe more beneficial in terms of relating the scenario

19:32:46 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how do you (operator of device) intend to prove to your counterparty that you destroyed key ?

19:33:02 Dimsler: rm -rf

19:33:03 Dimsler: duh

19:33:09 thestringpuller: the counterparty is in the room and takes the cardano as part of the deal

19:33:20 thestringpuller: however the person generating the keys flips the switch

19:33:28 Dimsler: seriously anytype of scenario where a private key has to be trusted leaves room for malice

19:33:29 thestringpuller: to delete them

19:33:59 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how does your counterparty know that your cardano behaves as printed on the tin, and is not a substitute of identical appearance which you built in evil lab ?

19:34:31 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: or that you have not replaced firmware with your own, that spits out a predestined set of keys cyclically ever time zap is thrown ?

19:34:35 thestringpuller: how do people know the cardano came from you asciilifeform and mircea_popescu 's "good lab" in the first place?

19:34:51 Dimsler: signed

19:35:35 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you have concerns about solidity of design - you will have to study the published specs (upcoming) before considering purchasing device.

19:35:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14616 @ 0.00075199 = 10.9911 BTC [+] {4}

19:35:52 nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt

19:35:56 thestringpuller: no concerns just trying to see if use case i possible

19:36:02 asciilifeform: if you have concerns about supply chain - there is no choice, assuming you wish to use device, other than to examine your particular unit.

19:36:04 thestringpuller: is*

19:36:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get the logic in your last two

19:36:15 mircea_popescu: so the guy is supposed to study the design, to find out if it comes fro mevil lab ?

19:36:23 asciilifeform: no

19:36:29 asciilifeform: this is the #1 most asked question

19:36:32 thickasthieves: to learn how to audit

19:36:41 asciilifeform: 'why should i believe you'

19:36:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bt YOU asked HIM

19:36:53 asciilifeform: aha

19:36:56 asciilifeform: yes.

19:37:01 thickasthieves: i recall you stating buyer can replace parts

19:37:03 Dimsler: what a silly conversation

19:37:06 mircea_popescu: ikr.

19:37:16 Dimsler: honestly there still a certain level of trust

19:37:18 Dimsler: that has to occur

19:37:22 asciilifeform: i believe thestringpuller is asking for a known impossibility - a mechanical angel.

19:37:29 Dimsler: i mean what are you nit picking at?

19:37:42 asciilifeform: that will broker transactions for him, be instantly recognizable as angelic on sight by a counterparty, etc.

19:37:44 thickasthieves: you cannot remove trust from human dealing

19:37:49 Dimsler: i know

19:38:08 Dimsler: thestringpuller, quit trolling

19:38:20 asciilifeform: let's rephrase. why, in just about any army in the world, soldier must carry and care for his own rifle?

19:38:33 asciilifeform: why not a barrel full of rifles, handed out before attack.

19:38:38 nubbins`: ooh i know

19:38:48 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i see.

19:39:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually this is how it was done during romanian revolution

19:39:20 asciilifeform: well if only source for rifles is plundered arsenal - yes

19:39:27 mircea_popescu: coupla guys showed up at state tel;evsion building, dumped a sack of machine guns on floor

19:39:35 mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants

19:39:39 mircea_popescu: "get one, might be handy"

19:39:40 asciilifeform: lol

19:39:45 mircea_popescu: true story.

19:39:55 Dimsler: lol

19:39:59 asciilifeform: what were they? kalash clones ?

19:40:08 mircea_popescu: (not really machine guns as in, three person platform fired band fed. shitty mps)

19:40:15 mircea_popescu: ;;google pistolul automat carpati

19:40:16 gribble: Pistoale | Comparison tables - SocialCompare: http://socialcompare.com/en/comparison/arme-1bce5qox; Infanteria Română – 180 de ani - Revista Forţelor Terestre: http://www.rft.forter.ro/_wsn/01_biblioteca/pdf/c-006-infanteria-romana-180-de-ani.pdf; teroristii din decembrie 1989 « The Romanian Revolution of ...: http://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.com/tag (1 more message)

19:40:24 xanthyos: capslock on the internet is the death throe of the loud poor man

19:40:30 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: mechanical angel << well cardano is resistant to DPA, isn't this an angelic property?

19:40:51 thickasthieves: caps lock key shouldnt even exist imo

19:41:15 xanthyos: it made sense on mechanical typewriters

19:41:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Md._1986 < that thing

19:41:33 assbot: PA Md. 1986 - Wikipedia

19:41:37 thickasthieves: back when typing in all caps was okay?

19:41:42 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: try to understand the idea. your particular unit, which you unpack, (optionally) study under microscope, replace various parts (optionally) with old stock, etc. - you can vouch for the properties of.

19:41:55 xanthyos: back when people used to troll with paper

19:41:56 asciilifeform: another fellow who pulls out a visually-similar apparatus - what can you say about his.

19:42:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like ordinary kalash

19:42:24 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: oh now i see. i was once blind. thanks for giving me eyes.

19:42:29 mircea_popescu: "România, membră a Tratatului de la Varșovia, a decis trecerea la noul calibru la începutul anilor 1980. În loc să fabrice direct o copie a automatului AK-74, conducerea de la București a decis dezvoltarea unei arme independent de cea sovietică. Rezultatul, Pușca Automată Model 1986, deși similară familiei AK-74, avea unele elemente constructive proprii. "

19:42:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, they used to sell them - here! a few hundred usd.

19:42:47 mircea_popescu: moved to the m16-inspired vietnam 5.56, in 1980, but decided to make own gun

19:42:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how they ended up in america - who knows!

19:42:52 nubbins`: thickasthieves: you obviously grew up in the age of varying-case fonts

19:42:53 mircea_popescu: ended up with clone with "some own elements"

19:43:04 mircea_popescu: it's really not a very good gun

19:43:14 nubbins`: should be a lower-case lock key IMO.

19:43:17 Dimsler: well romanian aks are pretty nice

19:43:28 Dimsler: probably the best one vs an original russian one

19:43:32 asciilifeform: goes 'bang' when pull trigger, that's generally all people ask for around here

19:43:49 Dimsler: what year did romanian aks go to mild receivers?

19:43:56 Dimsler: er milled

19:44:02 asciilifeform: american aficionados grumble about ro. metallurgy

19:44:06 kakobrekla: asciilifeform also 'not in the face' ?

19:44:07 asciilifeform: but i can't say specifically why

19:44:41 mircea_popescu: Dimsler not an expert, but prolly the 70s.

19:44:44 asciilifeform: not in the face << obligatory:

19:44:48 asciilifeform: ;;google project eldest son

19:44:48 gribble: Project Eldest Son - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son; Project Eldest Son – The U.S. Scheme to Sabotage Charlie's Rifles |: http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/11/15/project-eldest-son-the-secret-u-s-scheme-to-sabotage-charlies-ammo/; Project Eldest Son: Covert Ammo Sabotage in Vietnam | Field ...: (1 more message)

19:45:12 asciilifeform: ^ where the ubiquitous image of 'kalash that fires backwards' came from

19:45:58 thickasthieves: i think mp or someone already shared something like this, but http://dpaste.com/1ACV2MC

19:45:59 assbot: dpaste: 1ACV2MC: You Have a New Comment, by tat

19:46:18 Dimsler: lol

19:46:24 asciilifeform: broken spamatron.

19:46:38 Dimsler: the ak is pretty decent for back fires

19:47:28 asciilifeform: the 'eldest son' trick would work on almost any small arm

19:47:37 asciilifeform: or hell, even artillery piece

19:47:43 kakobrekla: cool

19:47:56 thickasthieves: bfl made these http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/M4J11vT.jpg

19:48:08 nubbins`: lel I KNOW RIGHT

19:48:25 Dimsler: LOL

19:48:26 asciilifeform: (americans simply replaced one or two shells' powder with tetryl, resealed container, and left it for enemy to find as a trophy)

19:49:06 kakobrekla: Y I NO SHIP? I R AIRPLANE.

19:49:49 asciilifeform: out of curiosity, q for the aficionados: is there any mining hw vendor that is innocent of the scam 'bfl' is known to have carried out ?

19:50:15 thickasthieves: i'd say no

19:50:19 kakobrekla: fury?

19:50:24 thickasthieves: ah maybe them

19:50:48 thickasthieves: asicminer did technically IPO before they had a thing

19:50:59 thickasthieves: though they never took customer money w/o shipping

19:51:14 asciilifeform: but is there even one asic vendor that didn't mine with customer-paid chips before shipping ?

19:51:27 kakobrekla: fury

19:51:43 thickasthieves: they also have the best logo

19:51:54 thickasthieves: amazing

19:51:54 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:51:56 asciilifeform: not even 'testing' ?

19:52:18 *: kakobrekla got his chips before he managed to get em running

19:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7724 @ 0.00075288 = 5.8152 BTC [+]

19:53:06 The20YearIRCloud: Doesn't Romania still use stamped AK recievers? I know all the ones we get here in the US are paper thin

19:54:02 asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: (ianal!) but recently i was told that it is, apparently, still legal to cut your own 'receiver' in usa - so long as you write your name on it.

19:54:14 The20YearIRCloud: Very much so , i have several

19:54:47 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah mostly

19:54:55 The20YearIRCloud: Manufacturing firearms isn't illegal anyhwere in the US outside of California and NY whom have additional restrictions. The federal deal is that it has to comply with all local laws, and if you intent to sell it, they require your information to be on it.

19:55:15 punkman: this circle thing works, just grabbed a cheap coin

19:55:16 The20YearIRCloud: And then, the 'firearm' as far as the USG and ATF are concerned is the part that contains the serial number

19:55:31 nubbins`: punkman +1 amirite

19:55:33 asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: afaik there's some national list of prohibited features

19:55:42 The20YearIRCloud: So with an AK/AR it's the reciever, on something like a glock it's the frame/grip.

19:56:00 punkman: nubbins`: almost +1

19:56:11 The20YearIRCloud: It's a limited group asciilifeform : No barrels under 16" , gun must be 26" or longer, no fully auto/burst. No shotguns under 18" barrel.

19:56:15 punkman: surprised it worked in this shithole

19:56:17 *: asciilifeform wonders if small arms makers in usa spend more on metals, machining, or lawyers

19:56:25 The20YearIRCloud: Labor

19:56:39 The20YearIRCloud: The uS passed a law a while ago that made it quite hard to sue a gun maker

19:56:48 asciilifeform: sue (civil action) or prosecute ?

19:56:55 The20YearIRCloud: Correct

19:57:03 punkman: nubbins`: did you get like 10 sms messages from them?

19:57:17 The20YearIRCloud: Because if they would allow it, it would bring on a severe wave of 'i improperly used your product to hurt someone, so i'm gonna sue' which happend a ton in the early 90s

19:57:24 asciilifeform: let's say you manufacture, e.g., shotguns. then inspector walks in, with a piece inscribed with your logo, 17" long.

19:57:32 asciilifeform: how you prove it was 18 when left your shop ?

19:57:38 The20YearIRCloud: Depends on what kind of inspection you're talking about

19:57:45 nubbins`: punkman any major action required a SMS verification code

19:58:00 asciilifeform: whatever kind of inspection (ianal)

19:58:00 The20YearIRCloud: Well, most firearm firms that have a worry about the legality might send a copy or a blueprint to the ATF to get certification

19:58:09 asciilifeform: yes - of design

19:58:14 The20YearIRCloud: If it's a prototype, and you have a commercial manufacture license, you can fix that

19:58:24 asciilifeform: but how to prove that you didn't make a particular non-compliant item

19:58:33 The20YearIRCloud: If it's 17" , the law says you can just weld a piece of scrap metal to it that's 1" long and make it get to the minimum length

19:58:39 The20YearIRCloud: It's very, very difficult

19:58:55 asciilifeform: no, think about the hypothetical. inspector walks in with 17 inch barrel, says 'you made this. now to jail.'

19:59:04 The20YearIRCloud: SIG very recently put out a few hundred thousand items that the ATF decided they didn't like, and they were essentially impossible to recall, so ATF sued them, and SIG won the lawsuit

19:59:12 asciilifeform: you: 'it was 18. you sawed it off at fbi headquarters.'

19:59:18 The20YearIRCloud: Depends on commercial manufacture or doing it yourself

19:59:20 Duffer1: welding a muzzle device counts too

19:59:27 asciilifeform: inspector: 'libelling a loyal servant of the crown. extra jail points!'

19:59:32 The20YearIRCloud: Read up on the story of Ruby ridge to find what happens over that inch asciilifeform

19:59:56 The20YearIRCloud: becuase that's what happened. A ATF agent got a guy to cut a inch off a shotgun in exchange for $200, then started a whole ordeal over it

20:00:29 asciilifeform: that's tame compared to the gedankenexperiment. ordinary 'entrapment.'

20:00:54 The20YearIRCloud: Well in the case of ruby ridge the USG killed the guy's family

20:00:55 asciilifeform: but what if your refuse to break the laws, and inspector helpfully buys your 18 and cuts it in his office.

20:01:19 The20YearIRCloud: law says it's on them, although it could be done, ala gunwalker

20:01:32 Duffer1: forces can trick you into breaking the law with impunity

20:01:40 The20YearIRCloud: where they forced a gun store to sell guns to a known cartel member, or otherwise they'd throw all the people in jail. Then said cartel guy kills quite a few with said gun.

20:04:17 asciilifeform: just seems like you're at the total mercy of the crown, if you're a legal (registered) small-arms whatever-business.

20:04:38 asciilifeform: since law is whatever they say it is, and they can trot out whatever piece of hardware and say it came from your conveyor,

20:05:03 asciilifeform: they can force you to do or say absolutely anything - say, borrow your wife, or whatnot.

20:06:06 nubbins`: ;;tslb

20:06:09 gribble: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.

20:06:12 nubbins`: hm

20:06:16 nubbins`: no kidding

20:06:18 asciilifeform: in fact, this logically applies to anyone known to own the required tools for manufacturing illegal widgets

20:06:30 The20YearIRCloud: or legal ones

20:07:12 asciilifeform: this is roughly the situation with organic chemistry in usa, and has been for many years

20:07:51 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bfl-internal-log/

20:07:52 asciilifeform: owns beaker? terrorist. all that remains is for inquisitor to establish what naughty substance you were making (or intended to make - separate article in penal code)

20:09:14 asciilifeform: you: 'i wanted a belousov?zhabotinsky reaction.' judge: 'you want chemisty - go to a store.' you: 'can't buy in a store' judge:

20:09:18 asciilifeform: 'then illegal'

20:09:23 nubbins`: !up PeterL

20:09:25 nubbins`: use it wisely

20:09:50 PeterL: asciilifeform: presumably the gun manufactureres keep records of what they produce

20:10:05 asciilifeform: PeterL: you don't get it, do you

20:10:10 PeterL: signed by the techs certifiying they meet specs

20:10:32 PeterL: then they can use those docs in court

20:10:36 asciilifeform: PeterL: inspector walks in with the 17-inch barrel, and says 'you are also guilty of falsifying records, since your records do not show that you made this'

20:10:54 PeterL: then they would have to prove records were falsified

20:11:00 asciilifeform: really.

20:11:10 asciilifeform: this is the basic 'kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem

20:11:19 asciilifeform: any 'strict liability offence' carries with it - this theorem

20:11:33 asciilifeform: in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases.

20:11:58 asciilifeform: because in as far as prosecutor goes - he has easy life. i.e. an illegal $item with your name on it

20:12:13 asciilifeform: 'loyal servant of the crown says he found this under your bed.'

20:12:31 PeterL: I wonder if this has been tried in court yet?

20:12:48 asciilifeform: depends on what you mean by 'this'

20:13:21 PeterL: your example, modified gun used to prosecute manufacturer of record?

20:14:03 asciilifeform: PeterL: normally they use 'child porn' to create a 'lettre de cachet' rather than gun.

20:14:07 asciilifeform: gun is just one example.

20:15:23 PeterL: could agent walk into my lab and say "You have benzyl chloride, acetonitrile and methylamine, therfore intent to manufacture methamphetamine"?

20:15:29 asciilifeform: yes.

20:15:31 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> use it wisely << actually he can selfvoice nao.

20:15:41 asciilifeform: (ask lawyer, see if agrees. as i understand - yes.)

20:16:04 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases. << goes neatly with the

20:16:07 PeterL: but any organic lab will have those ingredients

20:16:10 mircea_popescu: 'why can't miracles be accepted in science"

20:16:25 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, an excellent example of why so called "strict liability" and the rule of law can not coexist.

20:16:36 mircea_popescu: any state purporting to enforce strict liability is pure stalinism and nothing but.

20:16:36 asciilifeform: ^

20:16:41 Duffer1: i believe it would be enough for an arrest, prosecution would be more difficult

20:16:42 asciilifeform: exactly what i was trying to explain here.

20:16:45 nubbins`: mircea_popescu then whytf is he PMing me asking for voice?!

20:16:48 nubbins`: !down PeterL

20:16:53 Duffer1: arrest if an officer wanted to fuck with you

20:16:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins` perhaps he doesn't know it yet ?

20:17:02 nubbins`: i guess he does now

20:17:07 mircea_popescu: PeterL ident with gribble and voice yerself.

20:17:07 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot PeterL

20:17:08 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PeterL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PeterL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PeterL | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014

20:21:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075288 = 5.0443 BTC [+]

20:22:59 thestringpuller: another ghost graces us with her presence :P

20:25:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23584 @ 0.00075288 = 17.7559 BTC [+] {2}

20:27:07 xanthyos: http://theantimedia.org/max-keiser-to-join-russell-brand-on-the-trews-for-one-week/

20:27:07 assbot: Max Keiser to Join Russell Brand on The Trews for One Week | The Anti-Media

20:28:22 xanthyos: ^ two men both of whom i have trusted and have let me down. "but i love him and maybe this time he won't beat me."

20:29:12 *: xanthyos remembers 2010's "buy silver crash jp morgan" keiser scam

20:29:38 Duffer1: how's maxcoin doing these days btw? :P

20:33:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00075286 = 21.6824 BTC [-]

20:33:40 xanthyos: i don't even track the prices of any alts

20:34:11 xanthyos: russell brand used to have a radio show 10 years ago full of revolutionary antistatist ideas. then he started getting work for cbs and disney and got quiet

20:35:01 mircea_popescu: * xanthyos remembers 2010's "buy silver crash jp morgan" keiser scam << should prolly blog about it

20:35:03 mircea_popescu: few do.

20:35:41 xanthyos: i was one of the idiots who bought silver at 29 and held it even when it spiked to 48

20:38:54 *: asciilifeform remembers

20:39:20 *: asciilifeform also remembers thinking 'doesn't kodak corp. have most of the supply, not jpm'

20:39:34 mircea_popescu: lol

20:40:10 punkman: how many times did Kodak go bankrupt?

20:40:23 mircea_popescu: ahhh it's so great to see blogger.com die

20:40:37 xanthyos: i got all my information from keiser's call-ins to the alex jones show, so i guess i deserved to lose

20:41:59 Dimsler: the two biggest idiots

20:42:56 xanthyos: when idiots speak confidently, it's hard to resist their charm. that's why jehovah's witnesses visit in pairs

20:43:35 Dimsler: pretty sure the only people taking jones seirously are low brow hicks

20:43:41 Dimsler: that are easy to convince into a wearing a tin foil hat

20:43:50 xanthyos: his gravelly voice puts me to sleep

20:44:03 thestringpuller: lets all buy caves property

20:44:54 mircea_popescu: shit guise, drop everything.

20:44:58 mircea_popescu: the future of payments is here.

20:45:01 mircea_popescu: http://billdesk.com/

20:45:25 Dimsler: lol

20:45:37 thestringpuller: ah the 90's

20:46:29 Dimsler: lol are you still here

20:51:12 mircea_popescu: http://wmtransfer.com/ check that out.

20:51:12 assbot: WebMoney — Universal Payment System

20:52:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00075301 = 24.774 BTC [+] {4}

20:54:24 punkman: mircea_popescu: probably older than paypal

20:55:06 mircea_popescu: yup

20:56:35 The20YearIRCloud: I'm the only guy i know that bought into silver that hasn't lost a good deal of money into it

20:57:21 nubbins`: i know a hippie that put every cent he had into silver in 2008

20:58:23 The20YearIRCloud: at what price?

20:58:55 nubbins`: around 10-12 iirc

20:59:59 The20YearIRCloud: He sell when it was $20-$48?

21:04:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22983 @ 0.00075309 = 17.3083 BTC [+] {2}

21:05:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15917 @ 0.00075345 = 11.9927 BTC [+] {2}

21:07:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00075354 = 14.6187 BTC [+] {2}

21:15:29 mircea_popescu: http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/early-sign-pancreatic-cancer-0928

21:15:29 assbot: Biologists find an early sign of cancer | MIT News Office

21:20:39 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye#Death_of_Officer_Jones

21:20:39 assbot: Cory Maye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:21:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Interesting write up. I do wonder though why they picked OS 9 and not... 7

21:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19084 @ 0.00075286 = 14.3676 BTC [-]

21:30:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/104678/

21:30:19 assbot: Meth charge dropped after only spaghetti sauce found on spoon

21:34:43 assbot: jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

21:36:03 Azelphur: BingoBoingo: I feel this is relevant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Y9ja9s5f0

21:36:03 assbot: How To Make Pancakes Like A Druggie - YouTube

21:36:16 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl_

21:36:34 jborkl_: wtf is up with assbot, shithead

21:37:35 jborkl_: thank you for the up BingoBoingo

21:41:20 assbot: jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

21:41:59 jborkl_: is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of?

21:42:52 BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Nice

21:46:18 jurov: ;;gettrust assbot jborkl_

21:46:19 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jborkl_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jborkl_ | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012

21:48:34 jurov: assbot doesn't know you

21:56:01 chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/29/argentina-debt-contempt-idUSL2N0RU1XB20140929

21:56:02 assbot: US Judge Griesa holds Argentina in contempt in debt case| Reuters

22:08:03 mircea_popescu: hahaha

22:08:10 mircea_popescu: how does that work.

22:10:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 << 9 is the end of that line, wtf would you want with 7

22:11:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, no serious bloat or otherwise objectionable item was introduced between 7 and 9 (unless you really hate colour display)

22:11:15 *: asciilifeform not mac expert

22:12:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well their previous archeology experiment was DOS... Also 7.X series supports color.

22:13:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so unearthing 7 would be akin to using, say, dos 2 instead of 6.

22:14:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no reason whatsoever to do this, unless ancient proggy demands it

22:15:17 BingoBoingo: Well 9 doesn't run on 68k hardware...

22:15:31 asciilifeform: afaik - 8 did

22:16:19 BingoBoingo: 8 does, but requires... greasing

22:16:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, do you own an 'amiga' ?

22:16:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture

22:16:46 BingoBoingo: No, but I've looked at some

22:20:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ?

22:26:37 cazalla: mircea_popescu, what's the reason that payment this week is considerably less than previous ones?

22:27:04 cazalla: cyber lashing for being lazy previous week?

22:29:22 asciilifeform: http://wnep.com/2014/09/29/search-for-eric-frein-shifts << lol, own goals: 1

22:29:23 assbot: Search For Eric Frein Shifts | WNEP.com

22:29:48 xanthyos: heh, oliver twist asking mr bumble for some more

22:31:08 cazalla: asciilifeform, reads like First Blood

22:31:20 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? << Telling people their websites are broken

22:31:56 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture << I may eventually pick one up.

22:32:07 asciilifeform: cazalla: or like eric frank russell's 'wasp'.

22:32:49 asciilifeform: cazalla: imagine if instead of one desperado, 100. each in different city.

22:32:57 asciilifeform: but, as in 'wasp', one suffices.

22:34:14 asciilifeform: or, suppose herr frein studied, e.g., robotics, and/or aeronautics, or, ..., ..., instead (or in addition to) small arms.

22:34:35 asciilifeform: !s clever poor

22:34:36 assbot: 2 results for 'clever poor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=clever+poor

22:44:22 mats_cd03: 17:42:24 <+jborkl_> is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? << 26-09-2014 21:31:23 <mircea_popescu> ;;unrate jborkl_

22:45:30 mats_cd03: oh wait, he quit.

22:46:50 mircea_popescu: this minimum effort bs, meh.

22:47:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla apparently i can't zero.

22:47:13 mircea_popescu: fixing sorry.

22:49:32 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker << mostly because everyone else had more sense than to be involved.

22:49:52 cazalla: midnightmagic, np ty

22:49:52 mircea_popescu: but bitpay gotta stick with the old ring of scammers because why not.

22:50:40 mircea_popescu: TomServo: Is this bizarro world? <<< well lenovo isn't a us state corp.

22:51:40 mircea_popescu: getting ACTUAL dollars, ie, reducing your external debt, ios a whole different story from shuffling bezzlars among the branches of state / various state owned entreprises in a ridiculous but doomed attempt to simulate a working economy

22:57:35 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 54(Y):46(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.64957118 BTC. Current weight: 55,810.

23:00:30 peterl_: why doesn't Lenovo capitalize their name? for the longest time I thoght it was Ienovo

23:01:44 BingoBoingo: ;;google Ienovo

23:01:45 gribble: ‪#‎ienovo‬ - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ienovo; Ienovo A680 - Phone & Gadget Accessories for sale in Cheras ...: http://www.mudah.my/Ienovo+A680-28977948.htm; Ienovo - Lenovo: http://www.lenovo.com/social_responsibility/us/en/EC-DoC_Lenovo_G480.pdf

23:01:57 BingoBoingo: ;;google 1enovo

23:01:57 gribble: .minecraft com mods Basicos/Optifine & Rei's Minimap 1.5.1 e novo ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbmHQ0JGlWM; High Res - Lenovo Partner Network: http://www.partnerinfo.lenovo.com/partners/weref/resources/downloads/brand/think-range/Poster_Channel_Think_Range_HighRes_UK.pdf; details - Lenovo: (1 more message)

23:04:04 dub: yeah! or just spell phonetically: renovo

23:12:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/drug-case-that-won-darren-wilson-an-award-at-risk/article_8d962d61-543f-5305-94dc-d36700fda9ef.html << Dominoes

23:12:32 assbot: Drug case that won Darren Wilson an award at risk : News

23:20:02 thickasthieves: cheap coins will be over soon methinks

23:20:08 thickasthieves: maybe last hoorah tonight

23:20:48 RagnarDanneskjol: why?

23:20:51 dub: solid TA there

23:21:10 thickasthieves: well if you want charts go to my site, but i havent published any lately

23:21:38 TheNewDeal: Please explain

23:22:01 thickasthieves: but ive charted this thing inside and out and it's just a probable thing according to my tea leaves

23:22:16 thickasthieves: doesnt mean it's gonna happen

23:22:28 dub: whats your traderview again

23:22:50 *: dub should think about storing bookmarks outside his browser history

23:22:52 thickasthieves: https://www.tradingview.com/v/mwf4pGBm/

23:22:55 assbot: BTCUSD BFX - Repeating Waves? - TradingView

23:23:07 BingoBoingo: http://devilsadvocate.biz/ << TaT blog

23:23:09 assbot: The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be.

23:23:18 cazalla: cheap coins, no cash, have car rego and insurance to pay this friday, that burns more than having bought previously at higher price

23:23:39 thickasthieves: my outlook hasnt really changed for a while

23:23:40 dub: 3rd world problems

23:23:48 thickasthieves: just took longer than i initially figured

23:24:17 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/29/white_house_intruder_ran_past_door_over_secret_service_agent_into_east_room.html

23:24:17 assbot: White House intruder ran past door, over Secret Service agent, into East Room.

23:24:59 mircea_popescu: http://pluss.vg.no/2014/09/27/1774/1774_23304090#xtor=CS1-1-23304090%5BHitlers+unge+d%C3%B8dsgud%5D

23:24:59 assbot: Hitlers unge ddsgud - VG+

23:25:00 mircea_popescu: heh

23:25:01 dub: is this becoming a sport? how far can you make it into the wh

23:25:46 mircea_popescu: dub im rooting for the "we fucked in the white house" blog

23:28:06 TheNewDeal: ;;Bc,stats

23:28:12 gribble: Current Blocks: 323110 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32445954336.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.39175

23:30:02 xanthyos: what about a "what illegal things can we get to grow on the whitehouse lawn" sport

23:30:31 mircea_popescu: well that takes time

23:30:38 peterl_: white house weed?

23:30:44 xanthyos: mushrooms pop up overnite

23:31:03 thickasthieves: i always wanted to get an asston of pot seeds and go johnny appleseed across the nation

23:31:22 dub: parts of china are like that apparently

23:31:28 thickasthieves: just make the thing a weed

23:31:39 dub: grows everywhere, locals mostly dont know what it is

23:32:05 peterl_: are seeds expensive?

23:32:19 thickasthieves: dunno

23:32:19 xanthyos: only if feminized

23:32:33 mircea_popescu: dude this "solutions" bullshit. everyone and their "solution". you can't buy a fucking corkscrew, it's gotta be a bottle opening solution

23:32:33 thickasthieves: perfect

23:32:36 peterl_: the other question, would growing wild still produce useable product?

23:32:44 dub: eys

23:32:46 dub: yes

23:33:12 xanthyos: it wouldn't be as nice but it would do the trick

23:33:33 thickasthieves: well people would just grow their own if they wanted after that

23:33:39 peterl_: quantity makes up for low quality?

23:33:43 thickasthieves: cant realli be illegal if it's everywhere

23:34:00 thickasthieves: same for bitcoin really

23:34:00 dub: isnt it already heading that way?

23:34:08 dub: weed not btc

23:34:18 thickasthieves: well its changing quickly

23:34:34 xanthyos: dmt is illegal and it exists in the pineal gland of every brain

23:34:51 thickasthieves: i remember 5 yrs ago i told my wife itd be legal in US in our lifetime and she said no way

23:34:57 thickasthieves: i doubt she'd disagree today

23:35:24 dub: yeah sentiment be changing from the 50s where anything the govt said was true

23:35:41 peterl_: but will other drugs still be illegal, or will there always be a "off-limits" list?

23:35:41 mircea_popescu: !up AMDCeleron

23:35:49 AMDCeleron: whats up everyone

23:35:52 AMDCeleron: i love the name assbot

23:36:00 mircea_popescu: dub mostly because the govt's been changing. back in the 50s, most of what it said actually was close enough

23:36:04 AMDCeleron: who made assbot?

23:36:06 mircea_popescu: AMDCeleron who're you ?

23:36:15 AMDCeleron: a celeron processor made by amd

23:36:45 peterl_: are you a bot?

23:36:47 AMDCeleron: no

23:36:49 AMDCeleron: i am a loser

23:37:02 AMDCeleron: what are you

23:37:04 AMDCeleron: what are you?

23:37:20 peterl_: I'm a chemist

23:37:26 mircea_popescu: mkay this is not going so well.

23:37:29 AMDCeleron: ?

23:37:39 AMDCeleron: intel inside celeron n2830

23:37:43 mircea_popescu: !down AMDCeleron

23:37:45 mircea_popescu: gimme my voice back.

23:37:51 peterl_: lol

23:38:31 xanthyos: ;;gettrust AMDCeleron

23:38:32 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user AMDCeleron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=AMDCeleron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=AMDCeleron | Rated since: never

23:38:38 peterl_: that was quick, usually you let them play longer

23:39:38 mircea_popescu: i guess im growing old.

23:40:03 BingoBoingo: !up meowmix

23:40:06 mircea_popescu: fucking noobs, check this guy out.

23:40:11 meowmix: hey everyone

23:40:12 meowmix: <3

23:40:13 mircea_popescu: meowmix at least get a cloak, derp.

23:40:18 meowmix: whats a cloak?

23:40:27 mircea_popescu: * AMDCeleron (~Sapphire@c-50-163-48-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #bitcoin-assets

23:40:27 mircea_popescu: * meowmix (~Sapphire@c-50-163-48-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets

23:40:33 meowmix: whatever

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23:40:38 BingoBoingo: !b 5

23:40:38 meowmix: who likes hurricane?

23:41:10 assbot: Last 5000 lines bashed and pending review. ( error )

23:41:10 meowmix: !b 5000

23:41:10 jurov: thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150

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23:41:12 meowmix: !b 50

23:41:13 BingoBoingo: wait for it...

23:41:34 jurov: and then rbounce

23:41:50 BingoBoingo: !down meowmix

23:43:19 kakobrekla: yeah buttcoins are getting expensive

23:46:21 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck omfg

23:46:29 mircea_popescu: dragonfly flew right throug window into my head

23:46:36 mircea_popescu: i thought i was getting shit in slow motion ;/

23:46:47 mircea_popescu: shot*

23:47:24 BingoBoingo: Has the dragonfly been captured to check for tampering?

23:47:38 Peter_Lambert: one of those micro drones?

23:48:13 mircea_popescu: its an actual dragonfly.

23:48:18 mircea_popescu: that was trippy.

23:50:03 BingoBoingo: Next you know Obama's going to be having a good laught about the two dragonflies that fucked on your head while you were sleeping tomorrow night

23:50:16 RagnarDanneskjol: http://listverse.com/2013/04/18/10-surprisingly-brutal-facts-about-dragonflies/

23:50:17 assbot: 10 Surprisingly Brutal Facts About Dragonflies - Listverse

23:50:20 mircea_popescu: lmao

23:50:38 BingoBoingo: We have an insect gap.

23:53:53 mircea_popescu: "hey miss, could i inspect your insect gap ?"

23:56:33 thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible

23:57:45 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/

23:57:46 assbot: The complexity of life, a triad pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:58:28 RagnarDanneskjol: Oh

23:59:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcDPgd1V5Y << kickass

23:59:32 assbot: Frog Fail! (Dragonfly escapes frog attack) - YouTube

23:59:35 mircea_popescu: pretty cool article