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00:00:11 BingoBoingo: It was still organized crime, but organized crime is always going to exist everywhere.

00:00:40 BingoBoingo: The surge in violence seems to have a more nationalist feel.

00:01:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45960 @ 0.00071964 = 33.0747 BTC [-]

00:04:02 cazalla: what's available to smash and grab from a car these days?

00:04:57 phf: in any case i'd be curious to watch breakdown patterns in philly. you have a lot of agents here, that are not just realtors. there's upenn, there's ethnic neighbourhoods, there's also a lot of "blacklivesmatter" hipster feminist areas that are deep in the ghetto territory.

00:07:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17107 @ 0.00071414 = 12.2168 BTC [-] {2}

00:07:32 BingoBoingo: <cazalla> what's available to smash and grab from a car these days? << In Missouri? Firearms

00:08:50 BingoBoingo: http://epmonthly.com/article/the-right-moves-making-sense-of-icd-10/ << "ICD-10 could bring with it a 15% drop in provider revenue due to incomplete charts and claims rejections. Thankfully, a few basic principles can keep you up to date, and [hopefully]in the black."

00:08:52 assbot: The Right Moves: Making Sense of ICD-10 - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1h55i9y )

00:12:09 cazalla: BingoBoingo, well that is far better than the casette player i had in mind

00:37:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.000731 = 1.462 BTC [+]

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00:47:33 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> "Mayor Francis Slay << nice name at least.

00:48:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's a white guy. Been in since the last Black guy was voted out.

00:48:24 BingoBoingo: The last black mayor's father is on the board of aldermen though.

00:48:27 mircea_popescu: <phf> (i'm saying lafond because that's where i assume most people here are getting their racial relationship information from) << eh no they aren't, cmon.

00:48:32 mircea_popescu: welcome lulz.

00:50:17 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> It was still organized crime, but organized crime is always going to exist everywhere. << organised crime is one step down from government and certainly better than disorganised crime in all situations except those of extreme abundance

00:50:29 mircea_popescu: like manna from heaven sort of abundance

00:50:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31345 @ 0.00073099 = 22.9129 BTC [+] {2}

00:52:37 mircea_popescu: aand it's 2.3

00:56:01 mircea_popescu: "When blockchain technology will become more adopted by businesses, is an ether price of 100$ realistic ? (self.ethtrader)"

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01:09:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00071414 = 37.2067 BTC [-]

01:11:42 phf: this sake i've been drinking put me in a foul mood, and orcs at the door rhetoric is depressing

01:13:18 phf: i know it's not just la fond, but he's particularly adept at this subject

01:23:17 phf: actually reminds me of this guy, fred reed, from earlier internet, http://www.fredoneverything.net. he used to be a dc journalist, so he has a lot of candid comments about dc northeast and generally race in america

01:23:22 cazalla: phf, sounds like you just need to drink a lil' more

01:26:29 phf: aye, perhaps i'll switch to raki

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01:36:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00071393 = 25.9157 BTC [-]

02:01:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40547 @ 0.00071391 = 28.9469 BTC [-] {3}

02:15:09 trinque: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/09/28/why-putins-move-into-syria-may-prove-one-step-too-far/ << this is rich

02:15:10 assbot: Will Putin’s move into Syria be one step too far? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MWewUa )

02:15:33 trinque: the nerve of trying to make the argument that what we're seeing in the world today is *russian* military adventurism

02:19:25 trinque: what I see is numerous smoldering fires all along their south

02:19:45 trinque: much closer than say Central America is to the USA

02:23:11 trinque: Iraq and Syria are what, 200-300mi from Russia, maybe 4-5 in Syria's case

02:23:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00071504 = 30.6395 BTC [+]

02:23:42 trinque: light Iran on fire and it's even closer

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02:34:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00071646 = 12.1082 BTC [+]

03:00:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18061 @ 0.00071391 = 12.8939 BTC [-]

03:11:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00071391 = 11.2798 BTC [-]

03:26:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56332 @ 0.00071448 = 40.2481 BTC [+] {3}

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03:48:39 cazalla: copypaste, super cool press conference bro :P

03:48:55 copypaste: oh thank you :3

03:49:29 cazalla: maybe get a blue yeti or similar to avoid handing microphone around though (missed what you said at the start)

03:50:03 copypaste: https://my.mixtape.moe/ovaajp.png

03:50:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH1jLh )

03:50:08 copypaste: i made an evdev keylogger

03:51:08 copypaste: i intend for it to be used for presentations and not logging keys, but i suppose it's just as good for either purpose...

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04:25:15 punkman: mircea_popescu: Since Ether went live he has disappeared and refused to discuss the issue anymore, and it is unlikely anyone could've collected from him at any point. << and they didn't even have the anton story?

04:28:32 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CP722YKU8AAqoD2.png:large

04:28:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1h5HnH5 )

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06:09:31 punkman: https://theintercept.com/2015/09/28/death-athens-rogue-nsa-operation/

06:09:33 assbot: Did a Rogue NSA Operation Cause the Death of a Greek Telecom Employee? ... ( http://bit.ly/1VkcCky )

06:09:37 punkman: !s athens affair

06:09:38 assbot: 2 results for 'athens affair' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=athens+affair

06:10:36 punkman: "Last February, Greek authorities took the extraordinary step of issuing an international arrest warrant for a CIA official the Greeks believe was a key figure in the operation while based in Athens. Unnoticed by the U.S. press, the warrant was a nearly unprecedented action by an allied country. The intelligence official, identified as William George Basil, was accused of espionage and eavesdropping."

06:15:34 punkman: "“The Greeks identified terrorist nets, so NSA put these devices in there and they told the Greeks, OK, when it’s done we’ll turn it off,” said the source. “They put them in the Athens communications system, with the knowledge and approval of the Greek government. This was to help with security during the Olympics.”"

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07:06:56 cazalla: http://8ch.net/b/src/1443509910974.webm

07:11:39 BingoBoingo: punkman: Seems like motive enough for the NSA to do the systemd turd

07:14:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287253 << i dunno that it is. honestly, "Race relations" in the sense of, here's a 10-15% ish scapegoat minority is the lulz of all time. same role the gypsies play in romania, same exact role of the small rus / white rus whatever in russian rhetoric, what the fuck are the ukrainians gonna do, bleed on everyone ?

07:14:05 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2015 01:13:18; phf: i know it's not just la fond, but he's particularly adept at this subject

07:14:49 mircea_popescu: there's 2k years' worth of actual social science being amused at lafond's "hi world i'm an ex boxer lemme tell you how the world looks through my glass" schtick.

07:15:19 mircea_popescu: uh-oh dem niggaz gun git our womenz!

07:16:18 mircea_popescu: meanwhile if you look at the actual demographics involved the loss of identity, cultural, biological, you name it has been MORE marked for the minority and is certainly going faster.

07:17:08 mircea_popescu: fifty years ago, back when they were "opressed" us blacks ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING. meanwhile they've been... liberated out of it.

07:17:45 punkman: http://uncouthreflections.com/2013/12/22/nine-years-of-alya/

07:17:49 assbot: Nine Years of Alya | Uncouth Reflections ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKREoa )

07:19:19 mircea_popescu: punkman that's nothing. i suspect the pedigree of "women with a sexual market value" will in the future require full coverage much like the sale of cattle and other biomaterial includes full documentation by default today.

07:20:08 mircea_popescu: "where's your profile pic" of the 90s gave way to the "where's your instagram account" of the 2000s which gave way to "you make and send nude selfies on demand as a prequal" of today which will give way to something, dat much is fo sho.

07:20:52 mircea_popescu: so if your daughter's born recently, she has 50-50 odds of living her entire life publicly nude.

07:21:04 mircea_popescu: imagine telling her about "the world before cellphones" as her mom lived it.

07:24:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51050 @ 0.00071676 = 36.5906 BTC [+] {4}

07:24:38 mircea_popescu: "Atypical Neurotic. An Illinois-born refugee from academia who in late middle-age finds himself a civil servant in Norway. An unashamed city-dweller, he walks 30 minutes every day to a job where he is not paid to be an economist (lawyer or accountant), only to sound like one."

07:24:40 mircea_popescu: heh.

07:25:27 mircea_popescu: pretty impressive blog tho i must say.

07:26:45 mircea_popescu: is this what two blowhards turned into ? or unrelated ?

07:27:30 punkman: no idea, just stumbled on that post

07:29:02 mircea_popescu: "The most important consequence of the Papal Revolution was that it introduced into Western history the experience of revolution itself."

07:29:22 mircea_popescu: i mean for the holy name of Trompi, they like even know shit and whatnot.

07:30:07 mircea_popescu: (yes, lenin is a bit player in a story that marx didn't start, and the french didn't start. the stone fell i nthe lake long long ago.)

07:30:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12908 @ 0.00070842 = 9.1443 BTC [-]

07:33:24 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-cM5FLTGhU << fundamental "i'ma dress up like gregory an' preach" fantasy enaction.

07:33:24 assbot: The Great Dictator - Speech to Humanity | HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYSUF9 )

07:36:53 punkman: is trompi the romanian dumbo?

07:37:30 mircea_popescu: nah. trompi is a putative divinity introduced by a comic strip. he's more mysterious than the fsm in that outside of me and those guys nobody even references it.

07:39:59 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> fifty years ago, back when they were "opressed" us blacks ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING. meanwhile they've been... liberated out of it. << He's got bits of that scattered around though he does focus on the "liberated" younger generations

07:41:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo his approach is fundamentally broken, fwiw. "oh, be in shape and you'll..." you'll what ? you'll die, just like everyone else. what's it gonna do, exactly ? he keeps spinning these... what they are is basically "believable superman strips". self-contained submarine-jetfighter except you know, not actually THAT capable, so the weakness of the "self-contained" fantasy is a little harder to put under fire.

07:42:30 mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with it, obviously. and the freshness of perspective is welcome, certainly. and i enjoy reading them, generally.

07:42:45 BingoBoingo: Oh his approach is broken as fuck

07:43:00 mircea_popescu: but i dunno that anyone actually sees them the way sake makes phf fear anyone sees them.

07:43:34 mircea_popescu: heck, all the fucktarded broken software stack would really not be a point of concern if all it took was you know, hitting the gym three times a week and not being over 60.

07:43:44 mircea_popescu: yet here we are.

07:44:11 mircea_popescu: da fuck would i need bitcoin for, in a world where the win criteria is "work out a little".

07:44:58 BingoBoingo: It's like the people who stockpile all the stuff for collapse even if it really means they get robbed first

07:45:50 mircea_popescu: in that range anyway.

07:46:15 mircea_popescu: heck, i could do without needing a spylist longer than most serial monogamists' ex-fucks list just to keep things slightly above water.

07:48:40 BingoBoingo: People are going to do what they are going to do. Some are going to run stock exchanges while others ride the bus to work the grocery store.

07:49:17 mircea_popescu: word.

07:49:32 mircea_popescu: and honestly, if i'm going to ride the bus once, i'd much rather ride it with lafond than plenty of other people.

07:53:19 BingoBoingo: This civilization has got to have some sort of sorting. Just prolly doesn't scale past 1-10 million people really.

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07:54:07 mircea_popescu: his method works for any arbitrary number, providerd of course they never exist in groups larger than a few hundred and those groups are strictly separated.

07:55:02 mircea_popescu: which is amusingly biographical : fighter circuit consists of groups of a few hundred people (the boxer, his team, people at his club, his social acquaintances etc) that come together under very strictly controlled setting (matches) and otherwise are very strictly separated.

07:55:15 mircea_popescu: this way of life can obviously only exist for as long as you know... it's not universal.

07:55:44 mircea_popescu: but the fantasy is alive and well, hence "hunger games" and whatnot.

07:56:35 mircea_popescu: i expect ~half the various anarcho-this and that, so-and-so-punks etc are pretty much equal to that when it comes to social organizing. "let's all live as dunbar number communes in the desert, inaccessible from one another like."

07:57:06 mircea_popescu: hence the interest of things that are predicated on breaking that imagined wall (say - madmax ?)

07:59:09 BingoBoingo: Seems likely.

08:12:37 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i know ya got a big stockpile of liquor

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08:26:30 mircea_popescu: well, he has been trying to.

08:26:38 mircea_popescu: problem is the stockpile keeps getting drunk.

08:28:29 cazalla: i know that feel

08:28:45 mircea_popescu: first google hit for "blackstone" ? http://www.bks-motors.com/

08:28:54 mircea_popescu: "Somos una empresa l?der en la venta de cuatriciclos deportivos y Agrarios Blackstone. Contamos con una alta cobertura de repuestos y servicios de post- venta."

08:33:35 mircea_popescu: and in random lulz, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/08/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/

08:33:37 assbot: The Hidden History of the Incredibly Evil Khazarian Mafia (Updated) | Veterans Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYXyi1 )

08:33:43 mircea_popescu: "Note: The history of the Khazarians, specifically the Khazarian Mafia (KM), the World?s largest Organized Crime Syndicate that the Khazarian oligarchy morphed into by their deployment of Babylonian Money-Magick, has been nearly completely excised from the history books."

08:34:01 mircea_popescu: but wait! there's more... http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-top-of-pyramid-rothschilds-british.html

08:34:02 assbot: The Top of the Pyramid: The Rothschilds, the Vatican and the British Crown Rule World | Humans Are Free ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYXzCx )

08:34:17 mircea_popescu: "Barack Obama is the current CEO of the USA Corporation and

08:34:18 mircea_popescu: the gold-fringed flags in the background stand for "ruled from abroad.""

08:34:57 mircea_popescu: i must admit i'm a little confused by the internet.

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08:40:45 deedbot-: [fraudsters] In numele lui Trompi! - http://fraudsters.com/2015/in-numele-lui-trompi/

08:49:01 mircea_popescu: punkman ^

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09:16:12 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2T7H1KG << mildly curious if it gets published.

09:16:14 assbot: dpaste: 2T7H1KG ... ( http://bit.ly/1FERFK9 )

09:26:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.fredoneverything.net./COL1.shtml << lolk.

09:27:09 mircea_popescu: looking through that site - seems the average lifetime of a "serious" blog is in the hundreds. i would guess from my own experience less than 1% of a personal attempt survives the 1k articles mark.

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09:28:23 mircea_popescu: The following, which gives the flavor, is from Andrea Dworkin, who I gather is a sort of museum-piece siege howitzer for feminism. It's pretty much how they all talk. Listen:

09:28:23 mircea_popescu: "Men use the night to erase us...The annihilation of a woman's personality, individuality, will, character, is prerequisite to male sexuality, and so the night is the sacred time of male sexual celebration, because it is dark and in the dark it is easier not to see: not to see who she is. Male sexuality, drunk on its intrinsic contempt for all life, but especially for women's lives, can run wild, hunt down random victi

09:28:23 mircea_popescu: ms, use the dark for cover, find in the dark solace, sanctuary, cover."

09:29:31 mircea_popescu: incidentally - dvorkin happens to be pretty much correct. male sexuality IS fundamentally contempt for all life. not for life in particular, but for life in the universal, for the life of maggots and cockroaches and everything else teemingly and indistinctly alive. and as such it is both fundamentally important and functionally required,

09:29:53 mircea_popescu: it keeps women from devolving into the wasp nest dvorkin'd live in, of her own devices.

09:30:44 mircea_popescu: that's the gender role since the begining : woman spits out maggots from her maggot hole and man figures out which she may get to keep.

09:34:53 mircea_popescu: "Why is schooling so poor for black children? To begin with, because blacks have little enthusiasm for academics. Blacks have demonstrated for an end to discrimination, more welfare, less brutality by police, greater rights, more pay, and greater respect. They do not march for more homework, harder courses, thicker texts with larger words and smaller pictures."

09:34:54 mircea_popescu: ahaha ok.

09:34:57 HeySteve: ah Fred on everything, he's a very enjoyable read

09:35:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00071265 = 5.4518 BTC [+]

09:38:28 HeySteve: haven't seen his new stuff on WordPress, think my morning plans just changed

09:38:30 mircea_popescu: it is an astonishingly beautiful point. it generally takes a ~bright~ and very talented slavegirl 18 months or more before her desires go from more chocolate and less beatings to being given harder tasks. and she finds herself in an incredibly powerful, carefully engineered self-improvement-atron.

09:39:04 mircea_popescu: so why are blacks marching for "respect" which can not be given, instead of marching for "more homework" which would instantly, and absolutedly, deliver that respect ? EARNED respect ?

09:39:42 mircea_popescu: "we're poor, hungry and tired" "so what do you want ?" "more work."

09:39:52 HeySteve: perhaps the concept of earned has been destroyed by handouts

09:40:03 mircea_popescu: concepts can't be destroyed.

09:40:12 HeySteve: well, in their minds

09:40:23 mircea_popescu: i guess handouts rot the brain.

09:41:01 HeySteve: "what you subsidise you get more of, what you tax you get less of"

09:41:14 HeySteve: state has been subsidising failure for decades

09:41:26 HeySteve: and of course, taxing success

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09:44:55 HeySteve: a good example is welfare for single mothers, previously spawning bastards was socially-discouraged for good reason

09:45:42 HeySteve: then the state got involved and illegitimacy rates (which are strongly correlated with criminality) skyrocketed

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09:47:47 mircea_popescu: http://fredoneverything.org/thumpathumpthump-here-come-trump-pols-have-knickers-in-knot/ << his piece on trump is quite well put.

09:47:49 assbot: Thumpathumpthump, Here Come Trump: Pols Have Knickers in Knot | Fred On Everything ... ( http://bit.ly/1h6l1VU )

09:47:58 mircea_popescu: HeySteve what's the good reason ?

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09:50:27 HeySteve: it's related to what you said about gender roles, with no father to do quality control you get bad outcomes

09:51:20 mircea_popescu: so why do you propose to fix what's working ?

09:51:51 mircea_popescu: those women on welfare, with a dozen kids, ARE doing their job, right ? and splendidly at that, natality ain't easy.

09:51:59 mircea_popescu: (and if you think it is - go ahead and try it.)

09:52:39 HeySteve: it's population inflation

09:53:03 mircea_popescu: "inflation" only makes sense in a fungible space.

09:53:07 mircea_popescu: humans aren't fungible.

09:53:46 mircea_popescu: to put that objection in more practically comprehensible terms : if you live in a village of 100, the prettiest girl you ever see in your life will be ugly.

09:53:50 HeySteve: well, dominant ideology says there fungible

09:53:54 mircea_popescu: if you live in a country of 1mn, you'll see some passible ass.

09:53:58 HeySteve: they're*

09:54:05 mircea_popescu: in a world of a billion, you will never ever reach the end of breathtaking.

09:55:33 HeySteve: well, debt-based system requires endless growth, of population and everything else

09:55:58 mircea_popescu: that's a whole other conundrum

09:56:12 HeySteve: so if middle-class aren't reproducing like they used to, subsidise reproduction of lower class

09:56:27 HeySteve: but this debases the "population supply" eventually

09:57:30 HeySteve: I guess you can bring in waves of immigrants too and hope they take out a load of home and car loans

09:58:21 mircea_popescu: reproduction and class are strictly unrelated considerations. in fact, they do not even share any common space at all - there isn't a way to define "class" so that reproduction can be made meaningful or vice-versa.

09:58:21 HeySteve: but the ultimate result is Idiocracy world

09:58:34 mircea_popescu: specifically : do you know how many ottoman sultans had wives ?

09:58:53 HeySteve: no idea, weren't they more about harems?

09:59:23 mircea_popescu: exactly. with the exception of roxy the kidnapped ukrainian, two centuries of high class progeny was carried on the bosoms and thigs of SLAVES.

09:59:43 mircea_popescu: lowest caste women could perfectly finely spawn highest caste men. there's absolutely no relation between class and reproduction.

10:00:02 HeySteve: hmm roxanna, I've heard that story somewhere. I think in an old Sean Connery movie...

10:00:27 mircea_popescu: and she BECAME a free woman. in her lifetime. which is barely lowest -1.

10:00:49 mircea_popescu: roughly equivalent to "naturalized illegal alien" or somesuch today.

10:00:56 HeySteve: mircea_popescu, ok well what I mean is that birth rates are low or negative in developed countries

10:01:12 mircea_popescu: like what, china ?

10:01:16 mircea_popescu: is china developed ?

10:01:39 HeySteve: erm, partially I'd say

10:02:40 mircea_popescu: well then i dunno what you mean. the us has had low birth rate since before it was "developed", ie a century ago. england has had low birth rate throughout it's four centuries of being developed. china had lower birth rate in its undeveloped 80s than it does today.

10:02:43 HeySteve: I think they only hit demographic problems around 2030 or so whereas EU, USA and Japan are already there

10:03:28 HeySteve: well low birth rate is ok imo, it's when it falls below replacement level that ponzis like social security start going bust

10:03:29 mircea_popescu: some races compete on spawn. western european folk (not to be confused with white folk, or for that matter with caucasians) do not.

10:03:41 HeySteve: true, they're more about education

10:03:54 mircea_popescu: there's even a line delineating the "poorly productive females" half of europe, and it was drawn in the 1800s

10:04:37 mircea_popescu: it's not clear that "they're more about education" , or that their cunts just don't work worth a crap.

10:05:01 mircea_popescu: that given, gotta figure something out to survive, and hey, education may be it.

10:06:15 HeySteve: well, there are physiological factors relating to ease of childbirth

10:06:25 HeySteve: and also developmental differences in the offspring

10:06:50 mircea_popescu: yeah. but even the western yurpeans favour narrow waists and wide butts.

10:06:57 HeySteve: also cultural differences in the emphasis placed on parenting and education

10:07:24 mircea_popescu: those differences drastically favour the jews, india and china. perhaps in that order.

10:07:25 HeySteve: of course, state has gotten into the parenting and schooling game in a big way, so things are distorted there

10:08:27 HeySteve: well, it's hard to say how the world will go and which reproductive strategies will be selected for

10:08:45 mircea_popescu: which is perhaps why it's a big idea to stop pestering people.

10:08:58 mircea_popescu: woman has 12 kids and feeds them off 2k income ? good for her.

10:09:07 HeySteve: in a nasty war situation for eg. all that education and child-rearing effort is likely to come to nothing on the battlefield

10:10:18 mircea_popescu: who knows. the venetians spent all their time training the girls to be whores, lost to charles on the field then won in the bedroom.

10:15:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77591 @ 0.00071908 = 55.7941 BTC [+] {6}

10:16:43 mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3monji/vitalik_buttering_author_of_ethereum_cannot_even/ << i lolled.

10:16:44 assbot: Vitalik Buttering, author of Ethereum, cannot even figure out how to give out beta test rewards with his own smart contracts, so opts for manual copypasting of Reddit comments with random hex digits in them instead. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1h6pg3Y )

10:20:05 HeySteve: I can't believe people put 37k BTC in that

10:21:05 mircea_popescu: this would be mostly because "people" didn't put 37k in that.

10:21:31 HeySteve: I was looking for a way to do multi-sig with coins pegged to fiat or PM, so investigated Ethereum

10:21:55 HeySteve: seemed confusing and unfocused, got the impression they have no businesspeople involved

10:22:16 HeySteve: who put in the 37k?

10:23:21 mircea_popescu: the whole "ethereum" story is, mr alienface and some junior profs at umaryland scammed that university for a little space and morning coffees ; he lied about the few hundred BTC available as being tens of thousands, and did some fraudulent moves to "prove" this ; he lied about "expenses" to explain why the capital he claimed to have doesn't in fact exist (but hey, he "spent it" for ethereum, which is good and builds ma

10:23:21 mircea_popescu: rket value, right ? notwithstanding that mp has nixed ripple back when it was still called colored coins, and notwithstanding that this ripple reimplementation is even failful-er than the previous one).

10:23:35 mircea_popescu: altogether a marginally better showing than garza's "buyout at $20" plan.

10:23:43 mircea_popescu: about the same budget.

10:24:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00070744 = 20.5865 BTC [-]

10:24:51 mircea_popescu: they've mostly (80% or so) burned through the ~10k actual dollars they had available for this highschool play, which is about what you'd exp[ect for six months' entertainment

10:24:53 mircea_popescu: moving on.

10:25:15 HeySteve: hmm. well it's looking like you called another one. what do you think about BitShares? it looks like it can do what I want but seems a little too good to be true

10:25:56 mircea_popescu: just another offshot branch off the same nonsense tree.

10:26:18 mircea_popescu: and with that, ima go eulora. bbl!

10:26:23 HeySteve: enjoy

10:36:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184500 @ 0.00070695 = 130.4323 BTC [-] {6}

11:02:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00070617 = 8.9684 BTC [-]

11:07:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17555 @ 0.00071752 = 12.5961 BTC [+]

11:22:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.0007047 = 25.0169 BTC [-] {3}

11:35:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28880 @ 0.00071529 = 20.6576 BTC [+] {3}

12:03:19 mircea_popescu: !up kyrre

12:05:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287262 << hehe. bare ankles in housewives really bothers old whores.

12:05:31 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2015 02:15:33; trinque: the nerve of trying to make the argument that what we're seeing in the world today is *russian* military adventurism

12:06:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287284 << i would guess this is what the anton story morphed into.

12:06:17 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2015 04:25:15; punkman: mircea_popescu: Since Ether went live he has disappeared and refused to discuss the issue anymore, and it is unlikely anyone could've collected from him at any point. << and they didn't even have the anton story?

12:07:16 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CP722YKU8AAqoD2.png:large << clearly, more pki is the solution to pki.

12:07:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1h5HnH5 )

12:09:55 mircea_popescu: "The intelligence official, identified as William George Basil, was accused of espionage and eavesdropping. But by then he had already left the country, and the U.S. government, as it has done for the past 10 years, continues to stonewall Greek authorities on the agency?s involvement."

12:10:21 mircea_popescu: hey, romania still has an unsatisfied arrest warrant for some us derp that got drunk and ran over some relatively popular singer guy.

12:11:07 mircea_popescu: i would suspect there's more random common law criminals being shielded by the usg from various jurisdictions than there are successful prosecutions in any given year.

12:13:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00070922 = 8.4043 BTC [-]

12:22:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00071937 = 11.474 BTC [+] {3}

12:30:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21404 @ 0.00070922 = 15.1801 BTC [-]

12:31:52 mircea_popescu: a question for the mathematically inclined practical minds in the audience :

12:32:30 mircea_popescu: let there be a monotonous measurable system S. let Mi be measurements made at moments-in-time Ti. let average-per-unit-time delta values be reported for each Ti as Ai = (Mi - Mi-1) / (Ti - Ti-1). let an arbitrary "reporting unit" R be defined so that a finite count of Ti fit in each such unit Rj. Let Ais be plainly averaged so that A' = (Ak +...+ Am) / (m-k) where k, m are the first and last i's for Tis fitting in Rj.

12:32:30 mircea_popescu: what would you say the "intuitive meaning" of A'j is ?

12:38:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2291 @ 0.00070922 = 1.6248 BTC [-]

12:44:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00071954 = 16.9092 BTC [+] {3}

12:47:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00072097 = 38.68 BTC [+] {4}

12:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 775344 @ 0.00070371 = 545.6173 BTC [-] {17}

13:00:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 724656 @ 0.00070039 = 507.5418 BTC [-] {12}

13:01:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4911 @ 0.00069946 = 3.435 BTC [-]

13:02:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.000699 = 20.97 BTC [-]

13:16:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.000699 = 18.6284 BTC [-]

13:18:09 mircea_popescu: o.O

13:18:28 mircea_popescu: check it out, ethereum needed moneyz so it sold its s.mpoe participation.

13:18:31 mircea_popescu: in other news, https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5682494208/hE78C470E/

13:18:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIaDyn )

13:27:40 mircea_popescu: "Global terrorism is extreme both in its lack of realistic goals and in its cynical exploitation of the vulnerability of complex systems."

13:27:56 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha habermas is not quite as smart as previously believed.

13:28:11 mircea_popescu: hint : a world without complex systems IS a realistic goal. in point of fact, it is the baseline in realism.

13:28:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63050 @ 0.000699 = 44.072 BTC [+]

13:32:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.000699 = 25.0242 BTC [+]

13:46:01 funkenstein_: good morning radical critics

13:46:10 funkenstein_: hey that looks like a smoothed derivative

13:47:21 funkenstein_: "Just like every moral-panic flavoured intellectual fashion of a mostly idle and broadly useless population, this nonsense is not here to stay." <-- nice :)

13:59:05 HeySteve: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/glenron.jpg

13:59:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VoCeYr )

13:59:08 *: mircea_popescu waves

13:59:16 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ "smoothed" ?

13:59:18 HeySteve: hi

14:03:52 funkenstein_: yeah? one way to describe time averaged is smoothed, so as to not show the variations that happen over short times

14:05:24 funkenstein_: Hey HeySteve

14:06:16 funkenstein_: kinda like a bandpass filter of sorts to get rid of high frequency stuff

14:11:50 mircea_popescu: well sure, but...

14:12:31 mircea_popescu: there's no actual guarantee A' is smoother than A.

14:12:53 mircea_popescu: in fact the smoothness comparison is a decent indication of the entropy involved.

14:15:02 funkenstein_: aha, yeah i can see it

14:17:47 funkenstein_: it is said that in chaotic systems power goes from low frequencies to high frequencies

14:21:22 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

14:21:29 mircea_popescu: o look who's here. how's lyf alf ?

14:21:37 ascii_field: busy

14:21:51 *: ascii_field pulls on oar

14:21:53 funkenstein_: !up thestringpuller

14:22:25 mircea_popescu: merrily merrily merrily

14:22:30 thestringpuller: ascii_field: Been looking for your "rules" on trustworthy computing on your blog...

14:22:31 mircea_popescu: lyf is but a dreaaammmm

14:22:59 thestringpuller: nvm found it

14:24:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46337 @ 0.00069881 = 32.3808 BTC [-] {3}

14:25:02 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is in a good mood this morning

14:26:09 mircea_popescu: them's be fightin' words

14:26:30 funkenstein_: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/10NN603.txt

14:26:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VoHN94 )

14:26:32 deedbot-: accepted: 1

14:27:46 mircea_popescu: o hey look at that.

14:27:50 mircea_popescu: waht are those worth even ?

14:28:35 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0000249 * 333333

14:28:36 gribble: 8.2999917

14:28:38 mircea_popescu: o.O

14:29:03 mircea_popescu: how can i be this fuckign rich ?

14:29:39 funkenstein_: lol

14:29:57 funkenstein_: probably missing a zero somewhere

14:30:13 thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net

14:30:18 gribble: qntra.net is up

14:30:33 thestringpuller: can anyone in US hit qntra?

14:30:59 funkenstein_: not loading here

14:31:03 mircea_popescu: oh wait wrong one.

14:31:08 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00000595 * 333333

14:31:08 gribble: 1.98333135

14:31:11 mircea_popescu: still.

14:32:04 mircea_popescu: yeah i guess qntra ddoser got his monthly allowance or w/e that is.

14:33:11 thestringpuller: i can hit it from VPN tho

14:33:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.000699 = 17.5799 BTC [+]

14:43:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.000699 = 14.0849 BTC [+]

14:50:47 punkman: http://www.codex99.com/illustration/56.html

14:50:48 assbot: The Ultimate Alphabet ... ( http://bit.ly/1L294wD )

15:04:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.nationalhumanservices.org/what-is-human-services <<< if only this were as fake as it looks.

15:04:34 assbot: What is Human Services? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJBTy7 )

15:04:50 mircea_popescu: if you're curious as to where the endless scams draw their vigour from... you need look no further than government.

15:04:51 mircea_popescu: of course.

15:11:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.000699 = 14.8887 BTC [+]

15:19:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59307 @ 0.00069821 = 41.4087 BTC [-] {4}

15:29:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00069774 = 12.35 BTC [-]

15:54:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3838 @ 0.00069774 = 2.6779 BTC [-]

16:00:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11826 @ 0.00069764 = 8.2503 BTC [-]

16:01:19 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:01:51 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-09-2015#1286918 << must point out that this is easily fixed with drill, often - with bare hands; and that i have yet to meet anyone who actually ~uses~ shower head which came with his house or flat - they go in the rubbish, to be replaced by proper one with hose

16:01:51 assbot: Logged on 28-09-2015 08:50:25; mircea_popescu: (and random discussion YET AGAIN undercovers the well lied about ustardian poverty. hey random schmuck, did you know your DAD could afford 5x the water that may be wasted on your stupid head ? forged granpa.)

16:08:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45450 @ 0.00069759 = 31.7055 BTC [-]

16:14:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55350 @ 0.00069893 = 38.6858 BTC [+] {2}

16:16:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00069661 = 31.2778 BTC [-] {5}

16:17:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00069634 = 40.3181 BTC [-]

16:20:46 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> problem is the stockpile keeps getting drunk. << I believe the concept is "inventory buffer"

16:23:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.000699 = 19.9215 BTC [+]

16:27:11 ascii_field: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/09/american-allies-in-syria-their-shameful.html << from the l0lpharms

16:27:12 assbot: ClubOrlov: American “allies” in Syria: their shameful performance is perfectly explainable ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAIWbY )

16:28:47 ascii_field: 'Generally speaking, any authentic-looking towelhead who is able to intelligibly pronounce the word "democracy" has a chance to receive financing and weapons. But nobody has any control over where he will then go with these weapons. By the way, Soviet intelligence services of the Brezhnev era had the same problem, latching onto any tribal chieftain who knew how to pronounce words like "Marx" and "Lenin."'

16:38:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00069634 = 36.3489 BTC [-]

16:38:28 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:38:38 ascii_field: 'The Pentagon didn't notice the moment when blowing up defenseless, demoralized adversaries using cruise missiles stopped being the only method for waging war. And now it is very difficult to appraise the real capabilities of the huge bulk of the US Army or Marine Corps, should they ever encounter an enemy that is approximately equal to them in technical capabilities.'

16:51:31 ascii_field: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/28/confederate-flag-on-ga-kids-backpack-leads-to-scho

16:51:32 assbot: Confederate flag on Ga. kid's backpack leads to school lockdown - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdXdN9 )

17:00:28 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Lol, counseling upon the student's return

17:00:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42650 @ 0.000699 = 29.8124 BTC [+]

17:05:01 mircea_popescu: ascii_field sure but also not really teh point is i.

17:05:02 mircea_popescu: it*

17:05:12 mircea_popescu: soviets also stole from "the property of the whole people"

17:05:30 ascii_field: re: which

17:05:34 ascii_field: ?

17:05:37 mircea_popescu: drill fix

17:05:41 ascii_field: aha

17:05:46 ascii_field: direct analogue is the 'cheater'

17:05:58 ascii_field: a device which screwed in place of a light bulb, circa 1920s

17:06:01 mircea_popescu: aha

17:06:02 ascii_field: creating an illicit mains socket.

17:06:26 ascii_field: to ~this day~ we call it a жулик (fraudster)

17:07:27 ascii_field: more commonly, a splitter of one mains socket into 3+

17:07:47 ascii_field: is 'cheater' - even in english-speaking lands. from this i surmise that they, too, once had 'headcount' fees on mains socket

17:09:50 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:09:57 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://pro-radio.ru/technology/9509-26 << modern incarnation.

17:09:58 assbot: Маленькие полезняшки ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdZN5F )

17:10:24 ascii_field: http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/2/73/798/73798563_4205816_Foto004.jpg << handmade.

17:10:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdZPKQ )

17:10:26 mircea_popescu: iirc you could get hard time for that.

17:10:32 ascii_field: quite certain.

17:11:27 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> iirc you could get hard time for that. << Only if you are a licensed contractor.

17:11:50 mircea_popescu: nah i mean in the original country.

17:11:56 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'Не знаю в точности, как городские постройки подключались к электростанции, но по сохранившемуся случайно «Абонементу на право пользования электрической энергией», можно увидеть, что наш дом был подключён к электросетям с 2

17:11:56 ascii_field: 0 января 1950 года, разрешение было выдано только на электролампочки, сначала на одну в 50 вт, а постепенно мощность увеличивалась...' >> http://www.novozybkov.ru/beads/article/106 << history of this

17:11:58 assbot: Городские электростанции Новозыбкова и детство на Тёплом ручье ... ( http://bit.ly/1Re01cT )

17:13:19 ascii_field: 'i do not know for sure how the city buildings connected to the power plant, but the accidentally preserved 'testament to the right to utilize the mains grid energy', you can see that our home was connected to the mains on 20 january 1950, and the permit was written ~only~ for light bulbs, starting with 50 watt, then progressing to 145...

17:13:20 ascii_field: '

17:14:10 ascii_field: '... no other electrical appliances were permitted, and inspectors made their rounds to see; but people went to great lengths to deceive...'

17:14:15 mircea_popescu: 'The Pentagon didn't notice the moment when blowing up defenseless, demoralized adversaries using cruise missiles stopped being the only method for waging war.' << this was never the fucking case wtf narrative bs is this.

17:14:59 ascii_field: it was the pentagon way

17:15:00 mircea_popescu: and the reaso nit is "very difficulty" to appraise the "capabilites" of us army/navy/etc is because they are nil. anmd the reason they are nil is exactly the same reason the intellectual abilities of college grads are nil.

17:15:06 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it never was.

17:15:29 mircea_popescu: the day they decided to fret over "transgenderism" instead of beating kids for sport is the day performance went away

17:15:32 ascii_field: except it was iron bombs for most of 20th

17:15:33 ascii_field: c

17:15:45 mircea_popescu: no it wasn't. dude, srsly... they had a fucking draft for vietnam.

17:15:47 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it went away in vietnam and there were only men fighting

17:15:56 mircea_popescu: at no point was the pentagon idea that war is won by anything other than fucking guts.

17:16:30 ascii_field: vietnam is where they 'we shall win by dropping 4 million tonnes of trotyl'

17:16:35 ascii_field: 'hey it worked in ww2'

17:16:49 mircea_popescu: no it wasn't, and no it didn't nor was it even treied or contempalted in ww2.

17:16:57 mircea_popescu: wtf rewriting of military history is this!

17:17:09 ascii_field: tet offensive ?

17:17:17 mircea_popescu: yeah, and day z.

17:17:33 ascii_field: operation linebacker ?

17:18:02 ascii_field: ianag.

17:18:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37730 @ 0.00069866 = 26.3604 BTC [-] {2}

17:18:06 ascii_field: (... not a general)

17:18:45 mircea_popescu: tet was an... infantry operation.

17:18:51 mircea_popescu: what sort of example is this ?

17:19:18 ascii_field: iirc americans tried to massage with aerial bombardment prior

17:19:31 ascii_field: expensively, copiously, but uselessly

17:19:48 mircea_popescu: it was a communist offensive.

17:20:06 ascii_field: and mircea_popescu is right, i was thinking in reality of the Christmas Offensive

17:20:09 mircea_popescu: the us army and south vietnamese were at first inept but then regrouped and turned it into a disaster for the northeners

17:20:10 ascii_field: not the tet

17:20:15 mircea_popescu: this is that!

17:20:21 mircea_popescu: tet = xmas in vietnamese

17:20:23 mircea_popescu: or was it new year

17:20:26 ascii_field: new year

17:20:30 ascii_field: hence my brainfart.

17:20:30 mircea_popescu: ah ok right.

17:20:43 ascii_field: america called it 'operation linebacker 2.'

17:21:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, attempts to win wars by artillery have been ongoing ever since someone observed cca 1600 that cannon is the major batterfield KILLER.

17:21:18 mircea_popescu: this is not unlike observing that the penis is the major bedroom inseminator.

17:21:27 mircea_popescu: sure it is, doesn't mean perambulating cocks will score that many dates.

17:28:27 phf: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/os-x-10-11-el-capitan-the-ars-technica-review/8/ << oh boy mac os x new "System Integrity Protection"

17:28:28 assbot: OS X 10.11 El Capitan: The Ars Technica Review | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZhniH )

17:28:49 phf: "The end result is that in El Cap, root is no longer an account with effectively unlimited access to either the file system or to memory and running processes. SIP places kernel-level checks on root’s privilege that can only be bypassed by the kernel itself."

17:28:50 mircea_popescu: is that good for applecoin ?

17:28:53 phf: "SIP consists of four major features:

17:28:54 phf: Protected locations cannot be written to by root.

17:28:54 phf: Protected system processes cannot be attached to with a debugger and cannot be subject to code injection.

17:28:55 phf: All kernel extensions must now be signed (and old methods for disabling kernel extension signing are gone).

17:28:57 phf: SIP cannot be disabled from within the operating system, only from the OS X Recovery partition."

17:29:12 ascii_field: l0l!!!

17:29:16 ascii_field: this is straight from microshit !

17:29:31 phf: "The inclusion of OS X default applications in the list [some list of SIP locations --phf] means that they inherit the same file system protections as any other SIP location—if you want to delete Mail.app because you only use your third-party mail application, you’re out of luck."

17:29:32 ascii_field: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn613955(v=vs.85).aspx << as in.

17:29:34 assbot: Kernel patch protection: frequently asked questions - Windows 10 hardware dev ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZhx9F )

17:29:50 mircea_popescu: ahahah what is this bs

17:30:36 phf: "Attempting to inject libraries into system binaries will result in an error. Even trying to poke into a protected process with DTRACE will fail—probes that try to target protected processes will fail to match, and no interaction with the kernel will be visible, and protected memory space will be simply inaccessible. Not even LLDB will be useful. You won’t be able to invoke it on system processes, regardless of root privilege."

17:30:43 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: microshit had this for years. kernel is filled with boobytraps that cross-checksum each other, like any good malware

17:30:49 ascii_field: all drivers must be rsa-signed;

17:31:02 ascii_field: any attempt to patch kernel that is detected (and the traps move around) hangs the box

17:31:09 ascii_field: oh and they like to shuffle'em on updates

17:31:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00069634 = 4.6655 BTC [-]

17:31:26 BingoBoingo: <phf> All kernel extensions must now be signed (and old methods for disabling kernel extension signing are gone). << lol, http://qntra.net/2015/08/os-x-flaw-in-the-wild-abuses-error-logging-function-to-edit-sudoers/

17:31:27 assbot: OS X Flaw in the Wild Abuses Error Logging Function to Edit sudoers | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SET9Kh )

17:31:46 mircea_popescu: derp.

17:31:56 mircea_popescu: so why would anyone "upgrade" ?

17:31:59 ascii_field: forced.

17:32:13 ascii_field: also betcha this will drive sales of hardware debuggerz through the roof.

17:33:23 mircea_popescu: what do you mean "forced"

17:33:51 phf: this is dr. strangelove level of problem solving right there

17:33:52 ascii_field: as in 'no upgrade, proggies bought in the store won't run, latest Pnohe won't sync, etc'

17:34:16 ascii_field: and/or networked boxes 'upgrade' themselves at night.

17:34:53 mircea_popescu: i dunno about any of that

17:35:01 mircea_popescu: but then again i never really owned a mac so whatevs.

17:35:10 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: these things are sop

17:35:17 ascii_field: esp. post-steve-j

17:35:59 mircea_popescu: i thought the trend was towards rooted iphones not the other way around

17:36:34 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: these are a very funny joke on their own. WITHOUT EXCEPTION all 'rooters' are closed-source gigantic blobs that do fuck-knows-what to the pnohe

17:36:46 ascii_field: this is justified by the author as 'we don't want crapple to fix it too quickly'

17:37:16 ascii_field: and true enough, when it is finally reversed, they close the hole.

17:37:44 mircea_popescu: what do you mean hole ?

17:37:54 mircea_popescu: it's a fucking processor on a board with a disk and a ram stick innit ?

17:37:56 ascii_field: the exploit which allowed the pnohe to be 'jailbroken'

17:38:11 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it has rsa sig checker in mask rom which runs on reset

17:38:20 ascii_field: this makes it more like 'nintendo' than computer.

17:38:23 mircea_popescu: so you drill it out i guess

17:38:30 ascii_field: so 'jailbreak' requires some finesse

17:38:34 ascii_field: go drill it out of the die !

17:38:42 mircea_popescu: the cpu die ?

17:38:44 ascii_field: why did you think apple makes own silicon !

17:38:48 mircea_popescu: heh.

17:39:03 ascii_field: it is quite analogous to a nintendo or playstation etc.

17:39:10 mircea_popescu: so basically apple is the sony corp of america sorta thing mkay.

17:39:17 ascii_field: long ago.

17:39:23 ascii_field: steve j. even wrote this.

17:39:35 ascii_field: (he was consciously and unabashedly enamored of sony)

17:41:01 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

17:42:20 ascii_field: 'OS X users who depend upon unsigned KEXTs for extra functionality—be it third-party hardware with unsigned drivers or software like OSXFuse that depends upon unsigned kernel extensions—will have precisely two alternatives: stop using the applications or hardware until the developers provide signed KEXTs, or disable SIP altogether.' << hello winblows 7 !

17:42:31 ascii_field: clearly this is what apple users pined for

17:42:38 ascii_field: this mega-'feature' of microturd

17:43:06 ascii_field: you don't need that mass-spectrometer! it didn't come with signed driver!

17:44:10 mircea_popescu: i thought you couldn't disable sip altogether ?

17:44:23 ascii_field: apparently you can, similar to microshit's 'test mode'

17:45:00 mircea_popescu: i find it comedic that for all the "well documented" flaws of rsa, all these "take over the world" computing schemes fail to use ECC.

17:45:20 mircea_popescu: somehow this is supposed to not be gallingly obvious or what ?

17:45:47 ascii_field: https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/Pwnage << correct. rsa.

17:45:48 assbot: Pwnage - The iPhone Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Re4uMH )

17:46:19 ascii_field: the most pedestrian hypothesis here is that rsa is considerably easier to implement.

17:46:45 ascii_field: (though still not easy !)

17:46:51 mircea_popescu: "WoW !!! Mircea Popescu is back. Not only on fraudsters, but also on Twitter"

17:46:56 mircea_popescu: wut the fuck are the derps on about ?

17:47:28 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in their imaginary universe, you took the money and ran in 2011, then came back N more times to somehow also take the money and run each.'

17:47:55 phf: around 2g/3g you still had "linux on iphone" projects and such. i think there was one project to recreate part of iphone stuck by combining opensource apple code and writing what's missing. this is of course long history.

17:48:00 mircea_popescu: right, it was the buterins of the world that are permanent.

17:48:19 mircea_popescu: phf you mean stack ?

17:48:23 ascii_field: 'the car bomb exploded. the mechanic cursed and pulled on another wire. the car bomb exploded again, with greater violence. windows rattled, dogs barked. 'you definitely have a car bomb, sir, i can tell you that now!' he muttered.'

17:48:57 phf: yes, but this is somehow a freudian slip

17:49:57 mircea_popescu: lol

17:51:40 punkman: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a52_1441716598

17:51:41 assbot: LiveLeak.com - Peru: Grenade blows policeman’s hands off in Lima school attack *GRAPHIC* ... ( http://bit.ly/1Re5ccM )

17:52:30 mircea_popescu: wwwwwait...

17:52:35 mircea_popescu: who was attacking what ?

17:52:49 mircea_popescu: "grenade blows standoff"

17:57:30 phf: there was a period when apple was not this outright hostile to hackers. around 10.4-10.5 you could still rebuild darwin (i did it for a bit to work around the retarded execl argument list length limitations) or bsd user space from apple hosted source. even cocoa userspace had all kinds of hooks that you could use to customize the os, like inputmanager bundles

17:57:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40361 @ 0.00069634 = 28.105 BTC [-]

17:58:20 ascii_field: phf: iirc they closed the kernel source a while ago.

17:58:31 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/6faf034ca9ce9ec0deda67bc8840f5d4/tumblr_nu5t8abUsh1uvvy5ro1_500.gif

17:58:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZleMx )

18:00:18 phf: ascii_field: around the same time that they started focusing on iphone. in fact it looked like they were pulling the libraries one by one as custom iphone optimization were making their way in

18:01:09 mircea_popescu: is this more or less just as jobs was going out ?

18:01:23 ascii_field: iirc it began when he first took ill

18:01:32 mircea_popescu: aha

18:01:40 ascii_field: and rolled out shortly when corpse was cold.

18:02:34 mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny how things are set up. the faitful always mistake the butresses of their chosen as mere weakness of the flesh that they, true templars, will find the courage and rectitude to straighten out

18:02:47 mircea_popescu: then the whole echafaudage collapses ion a cloud of wtf and wchp

18:04:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00069576 = 36.7013 BTC [-] {5}

18:06:47 funkenstein_: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/28/mobile_malvertiser_ddos_javascript_drip_serves_site_with_45_billion_hits/ <-- more cannons

18:06:48 assbot: Mobile advertising DDoS JavaScript drip serves site with 4.5bn hits • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1iZmT4P )

18:08:19 funkenstein_: copypaste can confirm the story?

18:08:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.000699 = 5.1377 BTC [+]

18:16:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350000 @ 0.00069516 = 243.306 BTC [-] {8}

18:17:09 ben_vulpes: ;;isup wiki.bitcoin-assets.com

18:17:10 gribble: wiki.bitcoin-assets.com is up

18:17:19 ben_vulpes: nonsense i say

18:17:40 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell kakobrekla "coracle": 54.187.227.228

18:17:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:17:46 ben_vulpes: s'il vous plait

18:18:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51970 @ 0.00069329 = 36.0303 BTC [-] {4}

18:20:01 kakobrekla: added

18:24:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48550 @ 0.0006915 = 33.5723 BTC [-]

19:02:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu davout jurov: Look, now people are copying another MPEx tool, behold fake X.EUR https://archive.is/bTvNG

19:02:20 assbot: New Bitcoin Product Launch on Nasdaq by XBT Provider - Press Release ... ( http://bit.ly/1YMM5vx )

19:19:47 jurov: BingoBoingo: nasdaq accepts eur deposits?

19:19:55 jurov: errrrr

19:20:02 jurov: nasdaq accepts btc deposits?

19:20:32 BingoBoingo: Some Nasdaq venture apparently is creating BTC certificates denominated in EUR, all on paper

19:21:04 BingoBoingo: Not all of Nasdaq, just some venture listed there

19:22:12 jurov: this is not at all comparable to x.eur

19:23:08 jurov: it's for people who want to invest in btc without actually buying any

19:24:01 jurov: x.eur is for people who start with btc

19:24:26 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:24:53 ascii_field: jurov: but somebody gotta serve the folks who want to work with amero^H^H^H^Husg^H^H^Husc

19:25:16 ascii_field: (see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2013#379804 )

19:25:16 assbot: Logged on 14-11-2013 17:33:07; asciilifeform: replace 'bitdollar' with 'amero', for extra conspiratorial spice.

19:25:25 BingoBoingo: jurov: Comparable in the sense sausage and turd may be compared as cylinders

19:28:00 *: jurov waits till alf encounters the khazar mafia link

19:28:11 ascii_field: eh, old hat

19:28:15 jurov: inb4 "snore"

19:28:20 jurov: doh, beat me

19:28:37 ascii_field: жидомасоны (tm) (r)

19:29:14 ascii_field: (approx. 'yid-masons.' the equivalent of 'illuminati' in ru blog varietyspeak)

19:30:36 jurov: here жидобольшевик is more often used in such context

19:30:47 ascii_field: l0l!!

19:31:55 ascii_field: btw the masons - at least the ones that can be met with in usa - are perhaps the ultimate cargo cult.

19:32:23 ascii_field: tremendously posh infrastructure still in place, but the regulars are - i have it on good authority - in their 70s and 80s

19:32:44 trinque: I have a grandfather's freemason pin on a jacket; he was about that age when he passed away

19:32:54 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> tremendously posh infrastructure still in place, but the regulars are - i have it on good authority - in their 70s and 80s << They still recruit.

19:33:11 jurov: cargocult? what did they imitate?

19:33:21 ascii_field: jurov: the masons.

19:33:22 ascii_field: what else.

19:33:30 ascii_field: just like usa imitates... usa

19:33:36 ascii_field: the one in the ru vhs tapes

19:33:49 ascii_field: and yes they recruit

19:33:59 ascii_field: i knew a fella who signed up. he brewed beer.

19:34:02 ascii_field: was very popular.

19:34:09 phf: жидобольшевик? seems like saying the same thing twice

19:34:33 *: phf throws hat and the ground and dances mazurka

19:34:43 trinque: I recall my grandfather saying they weren't much more than a social club at the time I was asking

19:36:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00069069 = 26.6261 BTC [-]

19:37:55 jurov: cargocult masonry aside, i surmised they invented structured discussion, i.e. it was clear at all times whose turn is to speak

19:39:06 jurov: certainly very attractive to introverts

19:39:56 ascii_field: if you ask'em they might even say they invented wheel, fire, structured programming, etc

19:40:32 jurov: lolk

19:40:37 trinque: "we dooooo"

19:40:54 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OExykL5QnXY

19:40:55 assbot: The Simpsons - We Do - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEIg8g )

19:41:17 ascii_field: obligatory montrezor: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-08-2015#1248984

19:41:17 assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 21:34:31; phf: "You? Impossible! A mason?" "A mason," I replied. "A sign," he said, "a sign." "It is this," I answered, producing from beneath the folds of my roquelaire a trowel.

19:43:58 phf: ^ i think it's such an exquisite stab at freemasonry. a brief fictional exchange reveals the absurdity of the entire "pretense"

19:45:09 ascii_field: and 'riding the goat' is what, not absurd ?

19:45:15 ascii_field: ritual ~has~ to be absurd.

19:46:01 ascii_field: http://phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/goat_riding_tricycle.htm << see also.

19:46:03 assbot: Goat Riding tricycle ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEIEUc )

19:46:58 phf: ahaha, i've not seen this

19:47:17 ascii_field: 'We leave the big piano shut and do not strike a note; / the doctor's been here seven times since father rode the goat.'

19:47:49 ascii_field: '...He mutters passwords 'neath his breath, And other things he'll quote ---- / They surely had an evening's work when father rode the goat.'

19:49:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00069062 = 46.0644 BTC [-] {3}

19:55:27 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:56:07 ascii_field: https://theintercept.com/2015/09/28/death-athens-rogue-nsa-operation << from the ministry of nailgun

19:56:09 assbot: Did a Rogue NSA Operation Cause the Death of a Greek Telecom Employee? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEJtfF )

19:56:48 ascii_field: '...he went inside his brother’s apartment and saw Costas hanging from a rope tied to pipes above the lintel of his bathroom door, an old wooden chair nearby. He and his mother cut the rope and laid Costas down on the bed. The day before his death, Costas’ boss at Vodafone had ordered that a newly discovered code — a powerful and sophisticated bug — be deactivated and removed from its systems. The wiretap,

19:56:49 ascii_field: placed by persons unknown, targeted more than 100 top officials, including then Prime Minister...'

19:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103867 @ 0.00068891 = 71.555 BTC [-] {6}

19:59:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00068822 = 27.3223 BTC [-] {2}

20:00:33 ascii_field: for some reason, knockout drug + rope appears to be the favourite usg method for dispatching troublesome folks

20:02:49 ascii_field: not hard to see the up-sides. by the time corpse turns up, it is in a condition where - even if someone were inclined to investigate (and who wants to be next corpse?) nothing could be said.

20:03:56 phf: !up thestringpuller

20:04:37 thestringpuller: ascii_field: could the sane computer be of von neuman architecture? or does that even matter?

20:04:59 ascii_field: thestringpuller: i'd say it cannot.

20:05:28 ascii_field: thestringpuller: do you know the political term 'unprincipled exception' ?

20:05:46 ascii_field: ~interrupts~ were an unprincipled exception when introduced to von n. arch.

20:05:51 ascii_field: as were multi-processors.

20:06:27 ascii_field: ditto dma.

20:06:28 ascii_field: !s dma

20:06:30 assbot: 27 results for 'dma' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dma

20:06:40 thestringpuller: Yea I also figure you aren't a fan of DMA

20:06:47 ascii_field: the way these items are implemented is ~inherently~ retarded

20:06:58 ascii_field: inescapably.

20:07:00 thestringpuller: I figured so when using them in academia.

20:07:19 thestringpuller: even on the gameboy the dma controllers are annoying as fuck

20:07:25 ascii_field: you will notice that when folks are persevering with something retarded, you get 'epicycles'

20:07:44 ascii_field: e.g., what happens when an interrupt happens during an interrupt, on your box? look it up, you may be surprised

20:08:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00068535 = 26.9 BTC [-] {2}

20:09:05 thestringpuller: on the gameboy if you interrupt during and interrupt you get undefined behavior

20:09:25 thestringpuller: the NDS makes it worse cause the two processors running on the thing run at different clock speeds

20:09:41 ascii_field: on modern x86 there are elaborate queueing/prioritization kludges.

20:09:53 thestringpuller: Yea, not so much on an ARM die.

20:10:00 thestringpuller: ARM-based*

20:10:55 thestringpuller: the sad thing about interrupts on nintendo's handhelds is its used for all the useful shit...

20:11:07 ascii_field: on ~all~ extant machines

20:12:06 ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/cops.jpg << usg seek000rity detail for pope

20:12:22 ascii_field: 'can't have police state without police !' (tm) (r) (al schwartz)

20:13:17 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: USG was prolly worried about all those sedevacantist extremists

20:13:36 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: nah

20:13:37 thestringpuller: ascii_field: ugh this brings back terrible memories. So what's the deal with interrupts like airplane food?

20:14:07 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: more of what was seen at boston. show of force.

20:14:31 ascii_field: precisely like the presidential forbidden city motorcades

20:14:43 BingoBoingo: Sure to scare Luke-Jr and the rest of the Sedevacantists

20:14:50 ascii_field: where they seal up restaurants with people trapped inside, stop cars at gunpoint for hours, BECAUSE THEY CAN

20:14:55 ascii_field: and purely to rub it in.

20:15:31 trinque: kenny loggins blaring from every black suburban

20:15:39 ascii_field: it is ENTIRELY about 'we can do ANYTHING we like to you, and YOU can do NOTHING to us'

20:15:41 trinque: check out tubby on the bicycle, lol

20:16:36 thestringpuller: ascii_field: not nearly as bad as the LA Riots

20:16:54 ascii_field: and since mircea_popescu appears to be sleeping, i will have to fill in for him and say 'this is what usians get for not being pashtuns!' aha.

20:17:15 ascii_field: thestringpuller: the l.a. riots - won

20:17:25 trinque: usians love this kind of thing

20:17:36 thestringpuller: kinda...a lot of niggas got fucked up.

20:17:39 thestringpuller: Compton is still "the hood"

20:17:43 ascii_field: they won.

20:17:57 ascii_field: in the sense that the rioters were not rounded up and hanged in gibbets in public square

20:18:00 thestringpuller: They being the police?

20:18:05 ascii_field: but instead there was 'controversy'

20:18:49 thestringpuller: ascii_field: you ever seen the movie "The Warriors"?

20:18:54 ascii_field: nope.

20:19:44 thestringpuller: ascii_field: http://www.whysanity.net/monos/warriors.html << pertinent line

20:20:04 ascii_field: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/29/us/29nsa-foia.html#document/p16/a245624 << lulzy

20:20:07 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEL5Gp )

20:20:42 thestringpuller: "You're standing right now with nine delegates from 100 gangs. And there's over a hundred more. That's 20,000 hardcore members. Forty-thousand, counting affiliates, and twenty-thousand more, not organized, but ready to fight: 60,000 soldiers! Now, there ain't but 20,000 police in the whole town." << I would think if gangs outnumber the police the last thing you want is an escalation of war. I.e. national guard/army

20:21:08 ascii_field: criminals ~always~ outnumber police.

20:21:10 ascii_field: how else.

20:21:28 ascii_field: (technically everything that moves on two legs in usa is 'criminal')

20:22:06 thestringpuller: well criminals willing to kill police officers (not a lot of people are willing to go that far)

20:22:34 thestringpuller: The LA Riots saw the unification of the Bloods and Cryps for a short time in similar spirit described in the warriors

20:23:15 ascii_field: thestringpuller: notice that ~exclusively~ local/municipal police are ever killed. as to why: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259456

20:23:15 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.

20:23:48 phf: can you dig it?

20:24:41 thestringpuller: !b 4

20:24:42 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/350MQ0G.txt )

20:25:00 ascii_field: notice how the latest wave of 'OMG!!11!!1!!policebrutality!11!!1livezmatter!!11' began with... several states proclaiming intent to arrest federal law enforcers in some cases

20:25:16 ascii_field: (in one state, those enforcing federal gun laws; in others - dope)

20:25:23 ascii_field: this rapidly went to zero.

20:25:33 ascii_field: and quietly 'unhappened' in media

20:25:34 ascii_field: etc.

20:26:36 thestringpuller: well local police are rarely proesecuted. the whole reason the LA riots occurred is cause d00ds got off on charges of Police Brutality

20:26:52 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:27:01 ascii_field: thestringpuller: none of it is about prosecuting

20:27:06 ascii_field: it is about 'pr' and image massage.

20:27:28 ascii_field: about getting usians to see local cops as 'enemy' so that nice shiny new 'friends' can be trucked in

20:27:31 thestringpuller: It's all fun and games until the niggers start rioting in the street.

20:27:33 ascii_field: and given whatever powers.

20:27:53 thestringpuller: ascii_field: also notice how it's never white people and honky's who riot.

20:28:22 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> (in one state, those enforcing federal gun laws; in others - dope) << The one state has Gubanatorial elections coming up, expect rhetoric to return

20:28:34 ascii_field: thestringpuller: no shit

20:29:53 ascii_field: btw the 'make'em hate the local cops' thing dates to ~AT LEAST~ brown v. board of e

20:30:02 ascii_field: and before that - 'reconstruction'

20:30:22 thestringpuller: during brown v board of education, the police and white people were indistinguishable

20:30:40 ascii_field: as local police tend to be, when drawn from the population they work on

20:31:23 thestringpuller: it was the feds iirc who protected the black children attending newly integrated schools

20:31:43 ascii_field: aha and every media mouthpiece made sure to snap it from 1,001 angles

20:31:53 ascii_field: 'love the feds, they are your friends'

20:32:39 thestringpuller: that was much the case during the civil rights era.

20:32:54 thestringpuller: kinda uncanny, "hate teh local police, love the national guard"

20:33:01 BingoBoingo: lol http://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-furloughs-workers-docks-vacation-2015-9?utm_source=qntra&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=rival

20:33:02 assbot: Oracle furloughs workers, docks vacation - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZZOWj )

20:33:02 ascii_field: see also aesop's frog & scorpion.

20:33:30 thestringpuller: I thought it was a snake and turtle

20:34:10 BingoBoingo: Aesop had many X and Y animal fables

20:35:18 BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller

20:36:19 jurov: kangaroo and panda

20:36:35 ascii_field: 'Lots of tech companies do that, but in Oracle's case, it is mandating that all employees pay for this furlough with four days of their paid time off/vacation time, according to several sources we spoke to.' << l0l

20:37:46 ascii_field: ' It's still hiring like crazy, with nearly 10,000 open jobs listed on its website, for instance, and it has ratcheted up research and development a bit, spending $8.7 billion in its last fiscal year — which ended in August — compared to $8.6 billion in fiscal 2014.' << does anyone else feel brain melting from the sheer density of flimflam packed into this paragraph ?

20:38:32 BingoBoingo: Quite a bit

20:38:42 ascii_field: (10,000 'openings advertised on www' has something to do with actual employment? and 8.6B spent on 'research' has something to do with r&d ? not on my planet...)

20:39:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23956 @ 0.00068502 = 16.4103 BTC [-] {5}

20:39:23 ascii_field: oblig: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#742046

20:39:23 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2014 17:34:41; asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.'

20:45:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00068303 = 27.3212 BTC [-]

20:49:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16945 @ 0.00068303 = 11.5739 BTC [-]

20:54:00 phf: i added eatbulk to bitcoind that takes a folder with blk dat files and eats them in order, provisioning the node at the moment. pointless graphs time! http://glyf.org/tmp/height-time.png hours vs block height, http://glyf.org/tmp/height-delta.png block height vs delay from previous ACCEPTED

20:54:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M02iE2 )

20:54:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M02l2W )

20:56:57 thestringpuller: can't wait till bitcoind is fully deturdified

21:06:12 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:06:16 BingoBoingo: !up thestringpuller

21:10:17 ascii_field: phf: i never saw a reason to put the iteration of blocks in the cpp. really it is a job for scripting lang from outside

21:10:32 ascii_field: 'eatblock' does exactly one shot of eating a block.

21:10:37 ascii_field: imho as it ought.

21:10:52 phf: ascii_field: that's why it's not on the ml

21:11:00 ascii_field: but, still spiffy

21:11:08 ascii_field: phf: have you seen mine ?

21:11:31 ascii_field: phf: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html

21:11:32 assbot: [BTC-dev] Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKmuPH )

21:11:56 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287947 << this is, virtually by definition, an impossibility.

21:11:56 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2015 20:56:57; thestringpuller: can't wait till bitcoind is fully deturdified

21:12:21 ascii_field: (if it were rid of boost, openssl, bdb, and c++ entirely - it will not be 'bitcoind' in any familiar sense, but another thing entirely)

21:13:04 ascii_field: and Mysterious Serious People (tm) will eschew it

21:13:20 ascii_field: can't really blame'em either

21:14:04 ascii_field: it is important to remember why we came up with the whole shebang of 'fits-in-head 1-page' patches, 'v', the lot

21:14:49 ascii_field: it is more or less the only path from a known-genuine, pre-valuablebtc bitcoin client to something demonstrably degavinized

21:18:06 ascii_field: (as i understand, anyone who so much as touched bitcoind since $10 or so is guilty until proven innocent of being a gavin)

21:18:30 ascii_field: *source of

21:18:44 ascii_field: at least from the pov of Mysterious Serious People

21:26:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36560 @ 0.00069123 = 25.2714 BTC [+]

21:38:43 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:39:01 ascii_field: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2015#1287769 << this box appears to be down.

21:39:01 assbot: Logged on 29-09-2015 18:17:40; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell kakobrekla "coracle": 54.187.227.228

21:39:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:40:55 kakobrekla: not my fault!

21:41:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1587 @ 0.0006913 = 1.0971 BTC [+] {2}

21:42:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38613 @ 0.0006915 = 26.7009 BTC [+]

21:46:32 trinque: nmap says there's a box there

21:46:35 trinque: but no open port 8333

21:48:15 phf: ascii_field: saw it of course. i wanted to cut out the whole blkcut -> block -> eatblock roundtrip, plus i want to see how fast it can eat at saturation. which is surprisingly not fast at all

22:02:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.0006915 = 38.5166 BTC [+]

22:09:27 BingoBoingo: Looks like BitBet has two new favored candiates for president: https://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/

22:09:28 assbot: BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (63%) on Yes, 0.32 B (37%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 97`101 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwMN1 )

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22:09:32 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:20:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0006896 = 26.9289 BTC [-] {3}

22:45:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128764 @ 0.0006915 = 89.0403 BTC [+]

23:07:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00068947 = 12.6173 BTC [-]

23:14:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00068947 = 11.6176 BTC [-]

23:29:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42382 @ 0.00068582 = 29.0664 BTC [-] {3}

23:35:21 BingoBoingo: !up itkin

23:42:10 BingoBoingo: http://m.snopes.com/prescott-bush-planned-parenthood/

23:42:12 assbot: Bush Babies : snopes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwhJwY )

23:46:36 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=262

23:46:37 assbot: JL: Running From The Cops #1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwiqGP )

23:52:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11849 @ 0.0006835 = 8.0988 BTC [-]

23:57:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2044 @ 0.00068887 = 1.4081 BTC [+]