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00:00:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1255344 @ 0.00076434 = 959.5096 BTC [-] {96}

00:01:15 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#900810 << incidentally, can anyone see that ?

00:01:15 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 23:54:38; petahash: link?

00:01:23 mircea_popescu: duh. so assbot can see it.

00:01:45 kakobrekla: >We're sorry for the confusion, it does appear that this was an inbound attack and we've removed the block on your server. I've also given you a $10 credit as an apology for the inconvenience.

00:01:51 kakobrekla: lol!

00:01:51 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net

00:01:52 assbot: Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary

00:02:12 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com

00:02:12 assbot: fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:02:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform artifexd kakobrekla srsly can't see it still ?!

00:02:21 kakobrekla: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com

00:02:23 gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is up

00:02:37 mircea_popescu: ;;isup bitbet.us

00:02:38 gribble: bitbet.us is up

00:02:40 mircea_popescu: o.O

00:02:57 mircea_popescu: so does the internets work or doesn't it ?! i'm confused.

00:02:59 kakobrekla: qntra & fraudsters now works

00:03:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the weird thing is i saw the log syncing throughout.

00:03:40 kakobrekla: throughout what

00:04:00 kakobrekla: log1 does not feed of log(0)

00:04:19 mircea_popescu: throughout you not being able to see fraudsters o.O

00:04:23 kakobrekla: a

00:04:36 kakobrekla: well inbound != outbound

00:05:29 kakobrekla: anyway i refused to dance bananas and got paid 10 bux

00:05:35 *: kakobrekla will more often refuse things.

00:05:41 mircea_popescu: imagine what you could have made if you accepted!

00:05:50 kakobrekla: nothing!

00:06:03 mircea_popescu: i said imagine

00:06:07 kakobrekla: :p

00:06:31 artifexd: fraudsters is up here now

00:06:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22461 @ 0.00079407 = 17.8356 BTC [+]

00:07:06 mod6: <@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1255344 @ 0.00076434 = 959.5096 BTC [-] {96} << ???

00:07:41 kakobrekla: collected over down period

00:07:59 mod6: oh. ok.

00:11:30 mircea_popescu: catchup looks like

00:14:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18359 @ 0.00079101 = 14.5222 BTC [-] {2}

00:17:10 Pierre_Rochard: preaching to the choir cazalla, I’d just like to see the damage to their nick if they ever registered in wot

00:20:17 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> duh. so assbot can see it. < assbot is looking directly in db, not parsing site

00:20:18 cazalla: Pierre_Rochard, they won't ever register and yet someone like kyle torpey is now preaching bitcoin + pgp but isn't even in the wot to begin with

00:20:40 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate ktorp -1 “lost his key….”

00:20:42 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ktorp has been recorded.

00:20:55 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust ktorp

00:20:55 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user ktorp: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=ktorp | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ktorp | Rated since: Tue Nov 13 20:06:45 2012

00:21:01 BingoBoingo: http://www.dailydot.com/geek/twitch-sexy-streamers-rule-change/

00:21:02 assbot: Twitch is trying to change its image by banning sexy streamers

00:22:06 cazalla: well i guess i take that back lol

00:22:53 Pierre_Rochard: cazalla: well he may never register again haha

00:23:52 Pierre_Rochard: that said, focusing on those on the fence about registering may be a better approach than chastising those who are very reluctant (as they would get a negative rating right off the bat)

00:24:29 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate cazalla 1 “http://qntra.net/“

00:24:30 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.

00:29:33 xiando: mircea_popescu: I have never heard that tale before so I do not know, so sorry. Interesting tale, though.

00:31:54 BingoBoingo: %d

00:31:57 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 337540.40 in 923 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -28.11

00:32:11 BingoBoingo: %p

00:32:12 atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 487.45 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s

00:32:17 BingoBoingo: %v

00:32:19 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 55 Ask: 150 Last Price: 46 30d-Vol: 2.99M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 61

00:36:30 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XW2rWPsL--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/kfrfrpbhmgzwf8cngxsr.gif << Bezzel Rocket exploding on Doppler

00:39:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> <mircea_popescu> duh. so assbot can see it. < assbot is looking directly in db, not parsing site << when spitting out page titles ?!

00:40:34 mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> that said, focusing on those on the fence about registering may be a better approach than chastising those who are very reluctant (as they would get a negative rating right off the bat) << i doubt anyone'd care enough to neg them, unless they did stupid shit

00:41:00 kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/2BNFP71.txt < the line in the middle is not page title, if thats what you meant

00:41:29 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: you would not neg andreas, if he negged you for ‘trolling’ ?

00:42:32 BingoBoingo: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: you would not neg andreas, if he negged you for ?trolling? ? << Andreas has other sins

00:43:27 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard why the fuck would he do that lol.

00:43:36 mircea_popescu: for one thing, he can't even rate before he gets rated, so it's moot

00:43:38 Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: exactly. Joining WoT would bring the skeletons out. Best for him to try to discredit it from afar

00:43:56 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: huh, I didn’t know that, interesting

00:44:14 mircea_popescu: seems a bizarre approach anyway, join wot, start negrating people. how far is that gonna go lol,

00:44:15 asciilifeform: works now

00:44:26 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, why would anyone imagine negratings from nobody do anything

00:45:43 xiando: I am just guessing here, but if I rate mircea_popescu 10 bought what SEC doesn't like from him ten times and SEC sends out nastly letters like they did the last few days

00:46:00 xiando: then I could negrate mircea_popescu and hope he gets upset and negrates me?

00:46:08 mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!

00:46:22 xiando: mircea_popescu: would negrating be a way to get good ratings with evidence away?

00:46:39 bounce: what are you on about?

00:46:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, best i can discern some major routing thing blew at some point somewhere, lost some traffic.

00:47:11 asciilifeform: guessed as much

00:47:15 mircea_popescu: xiando this somehow doesn't make sense. what do you mean "evidence away"?

00:47:27 xiando: seems a bizarre approach anyway, join wot, start negrating people. <- just guessing why someone would do that but I may be way off

00:47:52 xiando: but if it is a freshly created wot account then I am probably way wrong

00:47:57 mircea_popescu: xiando it's like, new kid in school, starts telling all the girls they're ugly,

00:48:05 mircea_popescu: not the best way to behave as a new guy.

00:48:15 bounce: such a person would get a bunch of negrates and drop below the threshold for giving ratings.

00:48:29 *: bounce wonders if unrating is affected by that

00:48:42 mircea_popescu: bounce i dun think it is.

00:48:52 nubbins`: punkman i grabbed the file via curl instead of copypasta, all checks out

00:49:17 nubbins`: had to slightly modify regex for grabbing raw deed

00:49:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` didja spend it ?

00:50:08 nubbins`: not yet

00:50:16 nubbins`: .balance

00:50:20 nubbins`: wut is it

00:50:22 mircea_popescu: so spend it!

00:50:44 mircea_popescu: Greetings. Sir or Madam. I am Mrs Aminatu Mariam, from South Sudan. I want to invest in your country Azibaijan and settle down there with my

00:50:44 mircea_popescu: family. I want to know more about your country if possible. << anyone looking for a south sudanese chick ?

00:51:22 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/3fa616f430a223a8a2018cd9c86e3d76/tumblr_nar12dEilO1ti4ud8o7_500.jpg pic unrelated.

00:52:08 mircea_popescu: !up amantonop

00:53:12 BingoBoingo: Fuck, why does my neigborhood choose World Series time to become RF noisy.

00:53:55 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: <--?-->

00:54:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watching the game on broadcast TV.

00:54:26 asciilifeform: ^ if that isn't a standard symbol, it should be

00:54:29 bounce: because watching sports is your neighbourhood's preferred way to waste time and it obviously needs wireless to (re)transmit the signals

00:54:56 asciilifeform: ('which causes which ?')

00:54:57 BingoBoingo: bounce: TV antenna lives on roof.

00:55:31 BingoBoingo: Noise somewhere around is fucking up the reception.

00:55:35 bounce: so? think wifi for streaming or even video repeaters using the same ISM band

00:55:50 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-options-are-back-at-ig-markets/

00:55:51 assbot: Bitcoin Options Are Back At IG Markets | Qntra.net

00:57:33 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/f369544d3ae21a39a45565f62561101a/tumblr_n18sv5U9VN1rwnxnho1_400.gif << options trader.

00:58:15 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev (^^) but turdatron not added yet!

00:58:29 asciilifeform: congrats jurov!

00:58:30 jurov: only gpg signed message checking

00:58:36 mircea_popescu: o hey!

00:58:43 BingoBoingo: bounce: UHF channel 43, 644-650 MHz

00:59:22 asciilifeform: jurov: can we crap in it yet?

00:59:44 jurov: yes. if you're in wot, you don't even need to register

00:59:51 jurov: only for receiving

01:00:50 nubbins`: https://blockchain.info/tx/08da464bf2037d36f7e4ac68f5fa9bc1dfc9c4cc707d446caaf5b51dcd6b87e4 if anyone is interested

01:00:50 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 08da464bf2037d36f7e4ac68f5fa9bc1dfc9c4cc707d446caaf5b51dcd6b87e4

01:01:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` wd!

01:02:05 mircea_popescu: punkman first confirmative tx!

01:02:15 *: asciilifeform mailed in a turd

01:02:59 bounce: in that case, might be, oh, "gigabit" powerline things. the faster they go, the higher up in the spectrum their noise goes

01:03:01 asciilifeform: jurov: borked ?

01:03:09 jurov: possibly

01:03:59 asciilifeform: jurov: 'subscribe' dead too

01:04:02 jurov: "Invalid signature." grrr

01:04:13 asciilifeform: 404

01:04:21 BingoBoingo: bounce: Whatever it is if it doesn't stop by the 6th I might have to find it.

01:06:30 jurov: indeed the signature does not verify

01:06:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30853 @ 0.00079397 = 24.4964 BTC [+] {2}

01:06:38 asciilifeform: lol!

01:07:03 asciilifeform: verified great here...

01:08:49 jurov: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pYFPWdFD can you diff with this?

01:09:44 asciilifeform: fucking lineendings.

01:10:04 asciilifeform: yours: cr/lf.

01:11:58 mircea_popescu: i think i'm in a hurricane over here. rain is more like a solid curtain than anything.

01:12:08 amantonop: .

01:13:33 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kTr-uLB_yw << mega-lol

01:13:33 assbot: - YouTube

01:13:49 jurov: it won't verify even with \n only

01:14:49 asciilifeform: verified fine here.

01:15:44 jurov: it's the same as in the tarball?

01:15:49 *: jurov looks

01:15:49 asciilifeform: no

01:15:53 asciilifeform: that one had detached sig

01:16:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3475 @ 0.00079407 = 2.7594 BTC [+]

01:16:56 nubbins`: also if anyone is curious, the following links may be of some use as a quick and dirty deed verification system:

01:17:01 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/7cHR9UMB

01:17:01 assbot: [Bash] deed.sh - Pastebin.com

01:17:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol not bad.

01:17:07 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/T2gaR6zp

01:17:08 assbot: [JavaScript] processdeed.js - Pastebin.com

01:17:22 nubbins`: ^ node.js and a couple libs required

01:17:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i admit, i like practical jokes and stage magic

01:17:29 nubbins`: feel free to transmogrify

01:17:50 mircea_popescu: me too.

01:18:06 mircea_popescu: who doesn't, it's like chocolate.

01:18:19 rithm: i'm working on my own personal webtorrent thingy right now

01:18:22 rithm: it's node

01:18:26 nubbins`: usage: ./deed.sh DEED-ID

01:18:35 jurov: aab1f8ea8c7f131ff69dfa3b9437ba35531018be760132dd6373f41a591f6382 bitcoin-bitcoin-v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz << asciilifeform this line got split in the email

01:18:47 nubbins`: rithm i only started playing with node last week

01:18:54 asciilifeform: jurov: passed after that?

01:19:02 *: nubbins` shrugs

01:19:04 nubbins`: not bad so far

01:19:19 mircea_popescu: rithm not bad.

01:19:42 jurov: yes passes (with 2 spaces inbetween)

01:20:08 asciilifeform: jurov: let me try again with another gizmo


01:20:52 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0M35QMB.txt )

01:20:52 mircea_popescu: !b 1

01:21:12 nubbins`: heh.

01:21:37 asciilifeform: jurov: ok how about that one

01:22:01 jurov: another discard.. in your outbox the line is not split?

01:22:05 asciilifeform: nope.

01:22:28 asciilifeform: wait

01:22:29 asciilifeform: yes!

01:22:42 asciilifeform: 'squirrelmail' also retarded.

01:23:30 mircea_popescu: don't hate it just because it uses STANDARD CLRLBLABLA^H^H^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@

01:23:34 nubbins`: heh

01:24:12 rithm: mircea_popescu this thing on HN today made me want my own http://joker.org

01:24:12 assbot: Joker.org | .torrent -> streamable video


01:24:23 rithm: i assume it's overloaded by now


01:24:31 rithm: maybe it still works shrug

01:26:07 jurov: in kmail there's option "wordwrap at column:", guess it can be set in most editors

01:26:08 asciilifeform: and folks ask me wtf i mean when i say 'we don't have computers yet'

01:26:24 asciilifeform: there was no line break retardation going in!

01:26:42 jurov: try leaving the body empty and put the mesg as first attachemnt

01:26:50 decimation: re: crypto gear << probably something that talks to this: https://www.viasat.com/files/assets/web/datasheets/KS-252_datasheet_008.pdf

01:26:54 mircea_popescu: attachment usually works.

01:27:09 bounce: well, no, there wasn't. forget the cr and the thing'd just sit there and beep. forget the lf and you'd eventually cut the paper.

01:27:20 asciilifeform: jurov: sent

01:27:45 BingoBoingo: So rf environment here calmed its bitch down

01:28:54 mircea_popescu: bounce so you are saying we're stuck computing on annimated typewriters because reasons ?

01:29:30 asciilifeform: 'hysterical raisins'

01:29:43 jurov: nope, it did base64 encode it and put it as second attachment after empty text/plain part

01:29:49 jurov: /o\

01:30:09 bounce: we more or less are, yes. except that those paper-driven things actually did stuff with the control codes and could produce accents in just 7 bits

01:30:11 jurov: guess it has to loop over all parts.

01:30:29 mircea_popescu: bounce i guess i best get my carwhip fixed then.

01:30:37 bounce: yes, get on with it

01:31:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00078993 = 21.3281 BTC [-] {2}

01:31:07 jurov: one needs email client that allows to disable linewrap and richtext

01:31:18 asciilifeform: no rich text crap here

01:31:25 asciilifeform: and no wraps going in

01:31:28 mircea_popescu: ... and thisis how jurov ended up rewriting the lighbulb.

01:32:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.0007899 = 22.7886 BTC [-]

01:32:22 asciilifeform: possibly these will have to travel armoured and rsa'd to turdatron's pubkey

01:32:25 asciilifeform: to avoid mutilation

01:32:38 asciilifeform: because retardation everywhere.

01:32:54 jurov: when i bruteforce scan all mime parts this one would pass

01:32:54 bounce: 7bit ascii, line lengths within 80 cols or so. otherwise you end up with encodings and wraps and whatnots.

01:33:12 mircea_popescu: jurov yeah srsly, maybe only accept base64'd emails ?

01:33:13 asciilifeform: bounce: 80 cols << satoshi's original fails!

01:33:15 mircea_popescu: then decode check etc ?

01:33:33 BingoBoingo: Oh ground rule double.

01:33:40 jurov: it knows how to decode base64 that's not a problem

01:34:00 mircea_popescu: so then, emails can only be sent to list as base64'd signed matter.

01:34:05 bounce: properly decode the mime encoding crapola? quoted-printable and all that.

01:34:09 jurov: just i thought i don't need to scan all the (nested!) mime parts

01:34:26 bounce: haha. of course you have to do that.

01:34:46 jurov: srs, i now wonder what the dude that made the patch and supposedly maintains it, what he uses it for?

01:34:51 decimation: asciilifeform: must maintain compatibility to 1974!

01:34:52 bounce: you thought you could get off easy? not so fast. this is mime.

01:35:18 mircea_popescu: mime is such gunk

01:35:31 jurov: it did not support mime before at all

01:35:34 asciilifeform: this is reason #.... why it all needs to burn

01:35:52 bounce: that it is. but moreover email isn't bitwise consistent, which any cryptographic hash function requires

01:36:04 mircea_popescu: and all this bulcrap so some idiot somewhere can send... what was it even ? html emails ?

01:36:12 decimation: as I pointed out last night, 7-bit ascii has perfectly good SOM/EOM chars

01:36:19 asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people

01:36:25 mircea_popescu: lol

01:36:30 jurov: stan can't you just paste it to mailx for now?

01:36:30 asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits

01:36:32 mircea_popescu: so quotable.

01:36:49 asciilifeform: jurov: i won't use mail clients.

01:36:58 bounce: mime aspires to be clothing worthy of an emperor.

01:37:04 decimation: so really it's not even ascii, it's tard-ascii which is a much less useful subset of ascii

01:37:16 nubbins`: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54619107/Goldmund/bitcoin/support-bits.jpg

01:37:17 asciilifeform: the only kind available when the net is involved

01:37:27 nubbins`: ^ i want my coffee to cost 3470

01:37:49 nubbins`: subunit-of-the-month

01:37:51 decimation: what's that symbol?

01:37:55 bounce: oh sod off. what's with the spamming of that stupid picture?

01:38:02 asciilifeform: a microscope.

01:38:10 asciilifeform: 19th. c. vintage

01:38:23 asciilifeform: with convenient ocular/hammer handle combo.

01:38:28 nubbins`: bounce you have inline images turned on? :0

01:38:44 decimation: it looks like a wouff-hong http://www.arrl.org/ham-radio-history

01:38:45 assbot: Ham Radio History

01:38:49 decimation: " A Wouff Hong is a fictional tool used to "punish" Amateur Radio operators, who demonstrate poor operating practices."

01:39:35 asciilifeform: http://www.arrl.org/images/view/TIS/History/Wouff_Hong_1.jpg << looks like those 'dual dildos'

01:40:23 BingoBoingo: Two ground rule doubles in one inning???

01:40:35 decimation: fun fact: usg banned ham radio during WWII

01:40:37 decimation: because!

01:40:58 asciilifeform: like all the other combatants.

01:41:34 mircea_popescu: decimation for obvious reasons neh ?

01:41:51 nubbins`: ^

01:42:06 decimation: sure, so if we have another war are they gonna ban the internet?

01:42:18 nubbins`: what do you think 8)

01:42:24 BingoBoingo: decimation: Nao Internet bans the war!!!

01:42:46 mircea_popescu: decimation certainly.

01:42:48 decimation: asciilifeform: reminds me of the first Stierlitz episode where he receives the enciphered message on shortwave

01:43:07 asciilifeform: decimation: like everybody ever ?

01:43:13 asciilifeform: decimation: nobody cancelled it even now

01:43:21 mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the internet, a) http://41.media.tumblr.com/d4a5ffd152980a413abf7f1d0f0abdd8/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o2_500.jpg b) http://36.media.tumblr.com/dbd4d9a1b348445e33f187f8f22741e8/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o1_500.jpg c) http://41.media.tumblr.com/3c946b3d4bb98b0e1b4427b178f706ca/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o4_500.jpg

01:43:32 asciilifeform: dildotron!

01:43:46 mircea_popescu: note that the surprised face is midway :D

01:43:50 asciilifeform: operator's hands suggestively obscure the functional unit.

01:44:03 decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. if you have an interest in such stations, see this: http://www.numbersoddities.nl/

01:44:04 assbot: Numbers stations home page

01:44:07 BingoBoingo: Oh, more Verizon shennanigans http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/verizon-bankrolled-news-site-bans-stories-on-spying-and-net-neutrality/

01:44:07 assbot: Verizon-bankrolled news site bans stories on US spying and net neutrality | Ars Technica

01:45:03 asciilifeform: 'The site has headlines such as "Why The Future Of Anonymous Browsing Lies In Hardware," ' << lol! even after 'kickstarter' threw out the turd?

01:45:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "because user can't modify hardware as easily" ?

01:45:54 decimation: well obviously joe sixpack is going to design and reduce his own vhdl

01:45:55 mircea_popescu: the current problem of teh nsa is that future roi on baby exploits is dubious at best.

01:46:08 mircea_popescu: so very little incentive to design new stuff.

01:46:24 asciilifeform: the future of asking people nicely to shoot themselves in the head, however, is bright!

01:46:29 asciilifeform: for some reason - they often oblige

01:46:56 decimation: what I find amusing watching snowden is that he clearly sees that unelected bureaucrats have 'stolen' power. Yet, he thinks that 'democracy' will actually reign sovereign!

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: funny how that works, huh.

01:47:19 asciilifeform: decimation: what makes you think mr. s thinks? or even lives ?

01:47:24 mircea_popescu: people get these fixed ideas.

01:47:32 decimation: You mean like he's max headroom now?

01:47:50 asciilifeform: more osama than max

01:48:10 asciilifeform: 'historical fiction'

01:48:19 decimation: like, the constitution wasn't powerful enough to constrain bureaucrats, so maybe a constitutional remedy will fix it?

01:48:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't he show up to conferences and shit ?

01:48:43 asciilifeform: not afaik

01:48:53 asciilifeform: well, in a sense, via whorecam

01:49:03 asciilifeform: the way osama did.

01:49:24 *: mircea_popescu doesn't really care one way or another.

01:49:25 decimation: he appeared on google hangout last week: http://ethics.harvard.edu/event/lawrence-lessig-interviews-edward-snowden

01:49:26 assbot: Lawrence Lessig interviews Edward Snowden | Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics

01:49:29 mircea_popescu: let him get in the wot.

01:49:42 *: asciilifeform doesn't care particularly much, except for sport

01:49:53 decimation: nah, he's pretty much a nobody

01:50:13 mircea_popescu: wait! is orlov alive ?

01:50:19 decimation: it's obvious he will be used as a figurehead that will represent yet another cause that deserves a usg teat

01:50:21 mircea_popescu: what if they replaced orlov with yarvin

01:50:29 mircea_popescu: and yarvin with that dead banker

01:50:30 jurov: asciilifeform: retry

01:50:42 BingoBoingo: Reason #8 to follow sports, Provides context for evaluating other pursuits one follows for the sport of it.

01:51:34 asciilifeform: jurov: retried (message in body)

01:51:49 jurov: line split again

01:52:13 asciilifeform: retried w/ attachment

01:53:06 *: BingoBoingo searches for conspiracies positing Matheny responsible for killing Taveras

01:53:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00078988 = 20.5369 BTC [-] {2}

01:53:41 jurov: "Message signed by key which does not match message sender address" ohmy

01:53:48 asciilifeform: lol

01:53:51 asciilifeform: retardation

01:53:59 asciilifeform: wtf does it matter from what email

01:54:28 BingoBoingo: WhatsApp, losing money http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/newly-facebook-owned-whatsapp-lost-roughly-200m-in-two-years/

01:54:28 assbot: Newly Facebook-owned WhatsApp lost roughly $200M in 2 years | Ars Technica

01:54:45 decimation: BingoBoingo: how could it possibly 'gain money?

01:54:55 asciilifeform: usg donation?

01:54:57 decimation: like, they start $19 bn in the hole and the have an app?

01:55:03 BingoBoingo: decimation: Merit Washing?

01:56:29 jurov: btw.. what if someone takes your chicken.asc and uses it to spam the list?

01:56:47 asciilifeform: jurov: good point. let's serial # ?

01:57:00 jurov: we'll come to that later

01:57:12 asciilifeform: that or simply store hashes of msg

01:57:14 asciilifeform: and reject dupes

01:58:00 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/10/feds-have-identified-searched-suspected-second-intelligence-leaker/ << Oh, USG not prosecuting leaker because of appearances

01:58:00 assbot: Feds have identified, searched suspected second intelligence leaker | Ars Technica

01:59:00 asciilifeform: rectothermal inquest, rectothermal verdict, rectothermal sentence...

01:59:26 asciilifeform: who's the 'third leaker' who leaked the impalement of the second ?

01:59:26 BingoBoingo: Or they broke him, the Winston solution

01:59:41 BingoBoingo: Yahoo is third leaker so...

01:59:47 asciilifeform: fourth

01:59:54 BingoBoingo: Crafted disinfo?

01:59:56 BingoBoingo: Ah

02:00:00 BingoBoingo: 4th is Yahoo

02:00:03 decimation: eh, it seems to me that usg has capitulated to reality

02:00:33 decimation: the reality that they can't keep secrets, that is

02:00:47 *: asciilifeform can't picture these folks 'capitulating to reality' even after they're hogtied in the drowning barges.

02:02:28 BingoBoingo: Shhhh.... Poor form to say that when I'm pricing barges

02:03:01 decimation: oh, I can totally see them capitulate if it means they get a nanoslice of power in exchange

02:03:42 BingoBoingo: http://bargesandworkboatsforsale.com/barges-for-sale/30x36x3-sectional-barge-40000/

02:03:43 assbot: 30x36x3 sectional barge year unknown 3 sections 10x36x3 $40,000 for all 3 sections. | Barges and Work Boats for Sale

02:04:19 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html well..not exactly expected outcome

02:04:33 jurov: better set up the line wrap

02:04:39 asciilifeform: set up?

02:05:17 jurov: disable

02:05:22 asciilifeform: it isn't enabled!

02:05:46 asciilifeform: what, i gotta debug 'squirrelmail' now ?

02:05:55 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/mit-bitcoin-project-goes-live/ less than a week to claim the coins, i wonder if what remains will be pocketed by someone

02:05:56 assbot: MIT Bitcoin Project Goes Live | Qntra.net

02:06:35 jurov: mhm

02:11:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00079429 = 14.8532 BTC [+] {2}

02:12:20 nubbins`: .deed http://dpaste.com/218ATYP.txt

02:12:31 nubbins`: oh

02:12:50 jurov: subscriptions now work.. and the above problems are prolly better to sleep on

02:13:10 asciilifeform: above problem should probably involve ascii-armoured gpgrams

02:13:13 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> decimation: Merit Washing? << actually 200mn is a gross understatement.

02:13:30 decimation: of the gains or losses?

02:13:42 asciilifeform: because i will -not- be dealing in mail client internals.

02:13:50 mircea_popescu: of the losses lol

02:13:51 mircea_popescu: what gains

02:14:15 jurov: just wrap the text before signing?

02:14:20 mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform can't picture these folks 'capitulating to reality' even after they're hogtied in the drowning barges. <<< this because they understand how "the world" works.

02:14:21 asciilifeform: wrap?

02:14:35 jurov: wordwrap

02:14:38 asciilifeform: i will not be massaging code to fit in this mess either

02:14:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well Whatsapp is a premium value loser for USG because of the large non-USian user population. Maybe ISIS has an account there.

02:14:46 asciilifeform: no, no, and no.

02:14:49 mircea_popescu: lol

02:15:00 mircea_popescu: does stan sound like a rambunctious bad boy or what

02:15:12 *: asciilifeform draws the line at coprophagia

02:15:30 nubbins`: lel

02:15:38 decimation: I'm trying to get an openbsd vm running for 'adult' platform

02:15:38 mircea_popescu: but all the other girls ate shit!

02:15:39 asciilifeform: crackwhoring, codewhoring, every other depravity - sure.

02:15:45 asciilifeform: l0l

02:15:54 nubbins`: table=flipped

02:18:00 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i have nfi why the libtards keep going with the "x many people nobody gives a shit about have no access to clean water"

02:18:26 asciilifeform: and the peculiar flavour of the articles, as if water were vented to outer space

02:18:27 mircea_popescu: it'd go a lot further if it read "three out of four black adults ate on average a pound of shit in 2013"

02:18:52 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/10/how_to_end_gamergate_a_divide_and_conquer_plan.html

02:18:53 assbot: How to end Gamergate: A divide-and-conquer plan.

02:18:59 asciilifeform: !s recycled food

02:18:59 assbot: 17 results for 'recycled food' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=recycled+food

02:19:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao these dorks

02:19:21 asciilifeform: 'doxed' !

02:19:21 nubbins`: http://cavirtexlawsuit.com/

02:19:22 assbot: CAVIRTEX Class Action Lawsuit | The official class action lawsuit against CAVIRTEX

02:19:23 decimation: in london in the 19th century, most paupers drank straight from the thames

02:19:35 nubbins`: legitimatewebsite.com

02:19:41 decimation: generally they would let the turds settle to the bottom of a bucket before drinking

02:19:43 asciilifeform: spammershill.com

02:19:51 decimation: coinshit.edu

02:19:56 nubbins`: heh

02:20:05 nubbins`: the OFFICIAL class action lawsuit

02:20:11 mircea_popescu: lol.

02:20:20 mircea_popescu: as opposed to what, the officious class action ?

02:20:26 nubbins`: offer expires nov 1, send info today

02:20:38 nubbins`: What information do I need to provide to file a claim?

02:20:54 mircea_popescu: so i'm watching "nudist colon y of the dead". there should be an award for this level of forced humor

02:20:56 nubbins`: etc etc, "Other information that you feel is relevant"

02:20:57 mircea_popescu: "humor".

02:20:57 nubbins`: lel

02:21:47 decimation: actually 'clean water' in india is quite dangerous, owing to the deposits of arsenic in the water

02:22:25 mircea_popescu: !up sxejno

02:22:30 asciilifeform: 'clean water' in india is quite dangerous << ??? - arsenic and shit cancel out in a burst of gamma ray ?

02:22:40 mircea_popescu: decimation india actually has much less of a problem than shitafrica.

02:22:51 sxejno: thanks mircea

02:22:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, because shit is mostly dead red cells

02:23:23 jurov: no that's piss

02:23:26 mircea_popescu: (shit cleans arsenic out of water throuigh roughly the same chemistry arsenic poisons live humans)

02:23:41 asciilifeform: bioscavenger!

02:23:54 jurov: red cells go to kidneys

02:24:09 asciilifeform: jurov: i think mircea_popescu is speaking of bioscavenging

02:24:25 mircea_popescu: jurov nah, some hemoglobin clears through kidneys, but most goes to the colon

02:24:29 decimation: yeah, filtering water through lots of carbon is generally a good idea

02:24:31 asciilifeform: ;;google bioscavenger

02:24:31 gribble: PharmAthene | Bioscavenger: http://www.pharmathene.com/product-portfolio/bioscavenger; The Center For Catalytic Bioscavenger Medical Defense Research: http://usamricd.apgea.army.mil/apps/ICDU54/; Army Seeks Development of Bioscavenger Prophylactics for ...: http://globalbiodefense.com/2012/04/09/army-seeks-development-of-bioscavenger-prophylactics-for-chemical-nerve- (1 more message)

02:24:50 mircea_popescu: and incidentally, i live in the world's capital for arsenic poisoning

02:25:00 decimation: really?

02:25:23 mircea_popescu: myeah.

02:28:53 sxejno: so mircea, arsenic aside, but still on the topic of toxins, have you heard any more from the US SEC or whatever other agencies?

02:29:26 mircea_popescu: no, but in an amusing development every noob in the space has started pretending they got one too.

02:30:26 sxejno: ahaha

02:30:47 sxejno: none here, since early 2011

02:30:50 sxejno: haha

02:31:00 mircea_popescu: where is here again ?

02:31:12 BingoBoingo: I still only have that one front door visit from the feds

02:32:57 sxejno: in the land of the free

02:34:00 mircea_popescu: sxejno what languages do you translate to/from ?

02:36:30 sxejno: haha, I could tell you, but you could find out if you know that much.

02:36:45 TheNewDeal: land of the free - is that sub-saharan africa?

02:36:48 sxejno: If you haven't found out in a few minutes I'll tell you

02:38:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25099 @ 0.00078987 = 19.8249 BTC [-]

02:38:26 jurov: !up nara_narayana

02:38:31 BingoBoingo: Gawker toxic to advertizers: http://adland.tv/adnews/gawker-toxic-brands-who-partner-them/1291467968

02:38:34 assbot: Gawker is toxic to brands who partner with them | adland.tv

02:39:29 nara_narayana: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/28/us-hungary-internet-protest-idUSKBN0IH29M20141028

02:39:30 assbot: Around 100,000 Hungarians rally for democracy as internet tax hits nerve| Reuters

02:40:34 mircea_popescu: !up nara_narayana

02:40:54 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Gawker toxic to advertizers: http://adland.tv/adnews/gawker-toxic-brands-who-partner-them/1291467968 << this is quite true, and not just of them.

02:41:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just amazed that in the battle ov Redditors vs. Shitty Journos, both sides are losing so profoundly

02:42:41 nara_narayana: it's rhetoric is degrading quickly on both sides

02:42:45 nara_narayana: *its

02:43:05 nara_narayana: one can only laugh

02:43:26 BingoBoingo: I mean Gawker particularly calls people out on harassment yet they wrote: http://gawker.com/335894/peter-thiel-is-totally-gay-people

02:43:26 assbot: Peter Thiel is totally gay, people

02:44:15 nara_narayana: what are you, homophobic?

02:44:24 BingoBoingo: No

02:44:54 BingoBoingo: Just Amazing to see cast iron implements call each other out on their composition

02:44:54 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:45:20 thestringpuller: amazing like south park

02:45:20 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:45:26 jurov: not composition, color

02:45:30 sxejno: so did you figure out my languages, mircea?

02:45:38 nara_narayana: should have put a /s

02:45:41 BingoBoingo: jurov: Well, sure

02:46:15 jurov: "you pot iron!" "you zamak!"

02:46:41 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Y2PX2Z.txt )

02:46:41 BingoBoingo: !b 5

02:46:58 BingoBoingo: Is black zamak a thing yet?

02:47:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, it's how it works.

02:48:37 mircea_popescu: ;;google translate nigger to russian

02:48:37 gribble: (google translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.

02:49:06 mircea_popescu: (it's негр, for the record)

02:49:15 decimation: lol

02:49:34 mircea_popescu: негр цинка

02:50:11 jurov: αράπης (google said)

02:50:23 mircea_popescu: arapos

02:50:27 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1R2HB6W.txt )

02:50:27 BingoBoingo: !b 3

02:50:30 mircea_popescu: that means arab. it's how you say "slave" in romanian, incidentally.

02:50:41 mircea_popescu: because all romanians knew of slaves was through the arabic slaves of the medieval turks.

02:51:47 jurov: črnuh << somalian

02:52:59 kakobrekla: hey hey!

02:53:04 mircea_popescu: lol

02:53:18 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9T_SvPlb8w

02:53:19 assbot: Oci Ciornie - YouTube

02:53:58 mircea_popescu: guy learned russian phonetically, it sounds totally like ai.

02:56:14 undata: "Like the immigrant Jews who created Hollywood a century ago, a gay investor has no way to fit into the old establishment." << pffffffff

02:56:22 nara_narayana: he is reading a script

02:56:29 undata: shit, I was scrolled up. That was from the Thiel article

02:56:38 undata: ah, not as scrolled as I thought.

02:57:06 undata: on a restaurant nearby someone spraypainted "gay is race"

02:57:14 mircea_popescu: undata wait, you disagree from experience about the gay fitting, or you're shocked and surprised that thiel may actually take your peculiar payment ?

02:57:15 undata: apparently trying to make the same idiotic point

02:57:33 undata: mircea_popescu: I disgree that it's worth mentioning

02:57:56 mircea_popescu: hm.

02:58:03 mircea_popescu: what else isn't worth mentioning ?

02:58:26 nara_narayana: sexual orientation, i would say

02:58:47 mircea_popescu: i mention it all the time!

02:58:53 mircea_popescu: or is it only for fags ?

02:59:02 undata: mircea_popescu: the writer is trying to cast himself as part of some team which Thiel brings some kind of social progress honor to

02:59:11 undata: the two people have nothing of note in common

02:59:18 mircea_popescu: ah that. well certainly.

02:59:26 nara_narayana: in matters such as this, i couldn't care less where you stick your penis

02:59:58 mircea_popescu: kinda the job of internet nobodies, innit ? "i saw x thing on google trends now i'm going to write about it in a vain but strongly held hope that mayhap the association may benefit me"

03:00:06 mircea_popescu: decentralized commercial copywriting,

03:00:21 nara_narayana: lol

03:00:23 mircea_popescu: how about http://41.media.tumblr.com/721f372d53619c48f717fd4e5ecee191/tumblr_msug1910Ri1sozibeo1_500.jpg nara_narayana ?

03:00:37 nara_narayana: lordy

03:01:30 mircea_popescu: Lycerion, ce din genuni rasari cu-o-ntreaga lume, nu cere semne si minuni care n-au chip si nume.

03:05:29 decimation: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ << "Recently, there was a thread on Reddit asking – Redditors Against Gay Marriage, What Is Your Best Supporting Argument? A Reddit user who didn’t understand how anybody could be against gay marriage honestly wanted to know how other people who were against it justified their position. ... It soon became clear that nobody there was actually against

03:05:32 assbot: I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex

03:05:32 decimation: gay marriage."

03:05:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4003 @ 0.00078924 = 3.1593 BTC [-]

03:05:36 thestringpuller: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1132-open-letter-to-bitcoin-businesses-why-im-closing-my-accounts/

03:06:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: guy learned russian phonetically, it sounds totally like ai << gets worse. 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAxM5GixMM 2) (danger! bagpipe) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep0LMkJBBbs

03:06:24 assbot: Katusha - Ottoman Military Band and Red Army Choir - YouTube

03:06:24 assbot: _-_ - YouTube

03:06:38 asciilifeform: (1 - turks. 2 - jp)

03:07:51 mircea_popescu: lol manele katjusha

03:08:45 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt1vQ81jNWw << one of the better such scenes.

03:08:45 assbot: Scene from "Casablanca" movie - YouTube

03:14:03 TheNewDeal: thestringpuller : oh isn't that speeshal

03:15:27 asciilifeform: decimation: It soon became clear that nobody there was actually against << http://www.republibot.com/content/book-review-%E2%80%9C-star-diaries%E2%80%9D-stanislaw-lem-1971 >> grep 'eleventh voyage.'

03:15:28 assbot: BOOK REVIEW: The Star Diaries by Stanislaw Lem (1971) | Republibot

03:15:38 asciilifeform: (spoiler alert)

03:21:46 decimation: asciilifeform: interesting - it seems doctor who ripped this guy off

03:22:57 asciilifeform: in usa (?) they recently put out a film purporting to be a riff on his epic 'futurological congress'

03:23:08 mircea_popescu: i have nfi how anyone even uses any of the sites in the gawker empire of crap. and incidentally tech crunch or mashable are exacly the same shit : exactly 0 comments, no content, just a bunch of pointless, flashy page elements.

03:23:23 mircea_popescu: i would be very surprised if the "top 10" blogs actually get any reads at all.

03:23:43 asciilifeform: advanced spamatronics.

03:24:21 mircea_popescu: srsly.

03:24:40 thestringpuller: woot woot

03:24:46 thestringpuller: world series is goin to game 7

03:24:50 mircea_popescu: i mean watsapp lost money ? heh. all these derps only survive exactly on the myspace ticket : old people like ted turner have nfi what's what online,

03:24:54 mircea_popescu: and so they keep pouring money in.

03:25:03 mircea_popescu: !up bitspill_

03:25:06 mircea_popescu: !up bitstein

03:25:48 decimation: if morality is only that which arouses sympathies - an each man has his own unique sentiment - how is moral discussion possible, given no constant set of assumptions to build upon?

03:26:01 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: and so they keep pouring money in. << 55 employees and purchased for 19 billion?

03:26:14 thestringpuller: ;;calc 19000000000 / 55

03:26:14 gribble: 345454545.455

03:26:21 thestringpuller: ^- per capita?

03:26:39 decimation: they are very important people you see

03:26:51 mircea_popescu: decimation what constant set of assumption do we have in common ?

03:26:54 thestringpuller: if there were text book example for "The Case of Too Much Money" this would be in that chapter.

03:27:20 mircea_popescu: or for that matter, what constant set of assumptions do physicists have in common ? if discussion relied on constant assumptions, science'd be in principle impossible.

03:27:31 decimation: empricism

03:27:51 mircea_popescu: how is that constant ?

03:27:56 mircea_popescu: empiricism is about as constant as beauty.

03:28:16 decimation: no, I mean empricism is in principle impossible, not science

03:28:59 mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish ?

03:29:18 mats_cd03: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8522247 << hn is so disappointing sometimes

03:29:19 assbot: Smuggling Snowden Secrets | Hacker News

03:30:04 mats_cd03: top comment conflates gpg with pgp, ten odd comments in a useless discussion about key exchange and comms over the same channel, five comments by a bunch of fucking dummies talking about key signing parties, and a few pumping keybase

03:30:19 decimation: that which can be synthesized without reference to sensory experience

03:31:06 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 seems about par for the hnourse.

03:31:12 mircea_popescu: decimation so metaphysics ?

03:31:31 decimation: heh yeah I've been reading kant

03:32:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00078752 = 10.9859 BTC [-]

03:33:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00078861 = 15.5356 BTC [+] {2}

03:37:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00079104 = 18.5103 BTC [+] {5}

03:44:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16675 @ 0.00079255 = 13.2158 BTC [+]

03:48:06 asciilifeform: hn << notice how the circus has all of the obligatory clowns, acrobats. including the inescapable shitgnomes pushing 'keybase' etc.

03:48:58 ben_vulpes: from the shitgnome lulzotron: https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/160

03:48:58 assbot: Uploading private keys puts users at risk Issue #160 keybase/keybase-issues GitHub

03:49:39 mircea_popescu: o.O

03:51:41 ben_vulpes: " I'd like my secret key on multiple machines, and I don't know how to move it around easily."

03:51:58 ben_vulpes: "Although I agree that it's totally insecure, no matter how you sugar coat it--I really don't think it's a feature that should be removed."

03:53:03 mircea_popescu: he probably doesn't think windows is a feature that should be removed either.

03:53:12 ben_vulpes: here's a wack notion

03:53:31 thestringpuller: dude these comments are just

03:53:33 ben_vulpes: if i spin up two bitcoinds and use cli arg '-connect' to point them at each other, can they mine?

03:53:35 thestringpuller: these people exist?

03:53:45 bounce: "insecurity is a feature we should not remove"

03:53:46 ben_vulpes: can/will

03:53:52 ben_vulpes: wacky*

03:54:03 asciilifeform: bounce: recall the 'null ciphers' in ssl et al

03:54:10 asciilifeform: classic shitgnomery

03:54:17 asciilifeform: 'must give the option of shooting self in head'

03:54:23 asciilifeform: never know when you might want to!

03:54:38 asciilifeform: esp. in the middle of a connection.

03:55:02 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes.

03:56:26 mircea_popescu: you'll have to hack the checkpoints in

03:56:42 ben_vulpes: (also i'm assuming that you're not trolling me and saying "yes they'll mine in the sense of hashing loltworotlzlzlzl")

03:57:00 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm more inclined to hack the checkpoints out.

03:57:12 ben_vulpes: but this could be retarded - i don't actually know.

03:57:25 mircea_popescu: i don't see a problem with their going away.

03:57:32 *: ben_vulpes suspects checkpoints are the dumb thing here

03:57:40 mircea_popescu: and yes, they will mine, on their own chain, obviously.

03:57:52 ben_vulpes: that's what i suspected.

03:58:07 ben_vulpes: look at that! regtest mode implemented in configuration. no chainparams.cpp necessary.

03:58:36 ben_vulpes: (theoretically, ofc).

03:59:19 thestringpuller: !t h AM1

03:59:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.10200000 / 0.10303907 / 0.10909900 (46 shares, 4.73979700 BTC), 7D: 0.09000000 / 0.1126693 / 0.15000000 (1984 shares, 223.53589961 BTC), 30D: 0.09000000 / 0.11913696 / 0.19210002 (5682 shares, 676.93620858 BTC)

03:59:37 mircea_popescu: !up Phoebus

04:00:28 decimation: these usg regulatory letters are hilarious

04:00:33 decimation: "we find that we are in charge"

04:00:57 BingoBoingo: Yeah

04:02:14 *: mircea_popescu is nonplussed with the retards squirming around the edges of bitcoin failing to point out that "hey sec, mp's cock isn't going to suck itself, get busy"

04:02:20 mircea_popescu: buncha retarded kids.

04:02:34 decimation: I was reading the fincen letter to bitpay

04:02:48 decimation: as if fincen is ever going to say "sure you can do whatever you want without asking us again"

04:13:51 mircea_popescu: http://graywolfseo.com/google/google-steal-traffic/

04:13:52 assbot: How Google Plans to Steal More of Your Traffic

04:14:22 mircea_popescu: this is to me an interesting thing, because it's an exact reprise of the craftsman vs entrepreneur arguments that raged in the early modern period, resulting in the ip laws in the first place.

04:14:39 mircea_popescu: you see, back cca 1800, a guy who figured out how to fix a loom would do anything BUT explain it to anyone

04:14:49 mircea_popescu: because that knowledge meant a livelihood, whereas education meant competition.

04:15:15 mircea_popescu: today, people go "do not put xml schemas on your recipes, because that's only going to help large data crunchers profit - not you"

04:15:19 mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing.

04:18:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14870 @ 0.00079506 = 11.8225 BTC [+]

04:18:32 bounce: that makes patent warchests more than a little ironic

04:19:09 mircea_popescu: how you mean ?

04:20:18 bounce: they're the tool of big corporates and patent trolls, exactly the opposite of protecting the small craftsman

04:21:04 mircea_popescu: ah ah. myeah. the problem with "fixes" is that they always degenerate.

04:21:15 mircea_popescu: that's why problems should be approached radically or not at all.

04:21:35 bounce: like radicals don't degenerate

04:21:44 mircea_popescu: they can't.

04:22:17 mircea_popescu: what i mean here : anything which is ulterior ontologically to the problem is a fix. anything that is anterior ontologically to the problem and is incompatible with the problem's existence is a radical aproach.

04:22:41 mircea_popescu: so, if a river bothers you, building a dam is a fix. making water a physical impossibility is a (very) radical approach.

04:23:39 mircea_popescu: the fix degenerates (water can say break the dam and flood you, which is worse an outcome). the radical approach can't degenerate, because it has not where to.

04:24:34 decimation: for instance, beheading the king and declaring The People sovereign

04:25:14 bounce: look at any state that rose out of "revolution" only never shed it

04:25:43 mircea_popescu: decimation that's a fix. it fails to make kings impossible, so it degenerates, to a shittier kingdom

04:25:50 mircea_popescu: (necessarily shittier because well, it won't say its name)

04:26:09 decimation: good point. I guess the radical approach would be to murder all humans

04:26:18 mircea_popescu: lobotomy comes to mind.

04:26:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, this observation is not particularly useful in politics, but it is useful in technology.

04:28:00 decimation: yeah it's impossible to unhuman humanity, but it's quite possible to unintel computers

04:28:12 undata: mircea_popescu: I've said before in regards to software architecture that inherent is better than explicit (in response to the python thing). Yours is much better said.

04:28:40 undata: the python thing being implicit vs explicit

04:29:44 asciilifeform: and incidentally!

04:29:48 asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.tar.gz

04:29:54 decimation: ya

04:30:00 decimation: I was just patching my junk

04:30:02 *: asciilifeform cleans blaster

04:30:07 decimation: does that include all of your previous patches?

04:30:10 asciilifeform: aye

04:30:28 mircea_popescu: undata yeah it's an old idea fo sho.

04:30:37 ben_vulpes: hey it's a little warty but here's what's cookin: http://therealbitcoin.org/

04:30:52 decimation: asciilifeform: starting to use bsd after linux for decades makes me feel like I'm in a funhouse

04:30:53 asciilifeform: gentlemen, please check patches

04:30:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes who ever said the best cooks aren't men!

04:31:05 asciilifeform: rather than simply assuming that i don't smoke crack

04:31:13 ben_vulpes: gentlemen, please check patches i've published as well

04:31:18 *: asciilifeform did

04:31:29 ben_vulpes: it's late and i'm banging my head against the opaque mess that is the amazon key-value store.

04:31:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00079255 = 2.9324 BTC [-]

04:31:38 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the patches just now published, specifically.

04:31:40 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let's mirror 0.5.3 there

04:31:58 ben_vulpes: a grand idea

04:32:00 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these differ from last night's ?

04:32:10 asciilifeform: i only see 'chicken' and 'rm_rf...

04:32:12 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: couldn't hurt to check...

04:33:38 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: might want to do a live-fire test on latest turd

04:35:00 asciilifeform: 'loc' steadily going down

04:35:05 asciilifeform: if only this could continue!

04:35:44 asciilifeform: 'suppose every program can be shortened by a line, and contains a bug. therefore all programs can be reduced to one line - which does not work.' - ???

04:35:45 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sapper must know his limits.

04:36:16 ben_vulpes: uh

04:36:16 ben_vulpes: well

04:36:19 ben_vulpes: i did the s3 thing

04:36:23 ben_vulpes: and...see nothing.

04:36:49 asciilifeform: s3?

04:37:16 ben_vulpes: shit is cached somewhere infuriating.

04:37:31 ben_vulpes: the amazon key-value store jurov backed therealbitcoin.org with

04:37:46 ben_vulpes: http semantics for up/downloading

04:37:57 ben_vulpes: black magic cross-dc replication

04:38:12 *: ben_vulpes gives up

04:38:40 ben_vulpes: all i want is to surface these text files to the internet :(

04:39:03 ben_vulpes: and all i have is borrowed borrowed borrowed leased and micro-sharded hardware on which to put it

04:39:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30190 @ 0.00079531 = 24.0104 BTC [+] {2}

04:40:56 *: asciilifeform hosts on dead bear, uploads with flint modem

04:42:31 *: asciilifeform would like to snip macos next

04:42:47 *: asciilifeform wonders who, if anyone, would shed a tear for macos

04:43:11 ben_vulpes: i've never successfully built it.

04:43:16 decimation: me neither

04:43:25 decimation: you end up in dependency hell very quickly

04:43:30 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: then perhaps you should do the honour of shooting it in the head

04:43:34 ben_vulpes: build environment is a snowflake.

04:43:45 decimation: what is even macos specific?

04:43:57 decimation: should be pretty similar to bsd, assuming user supplies paths to all dependencies

04:43:58 asciilifeform: decimation: grep

04:44:04 decimation: heh

04:44:38 asciilifeform: i've been saving the death of macos for last, such that we can determine that its removal does not bork *bsd

04:44:44 ben_vulpes: and interrupt this roll you're on?

04:44:47 ben_vulpes: i shant, no.

04:45:02 asciilifeform: lol

04:45:18 asciilifeform: i might like to, say, do a little bit of actual work tomorrow.

04:45:27 ben_vulpes: plus, wrangling multiparty gpg sigs.

04:45:39 asciilifeform: let others claim some easy hunting.

04:46:07 asciilifeform: this is going to turn into actual work quite soon (when we start snipping tissue that must be replaced, rather than merely cremated)

04:46:15 asciilifeform: e.g., json rpc

04:46:21 ben_vulpes: wallet

04:46:27 *: asciilifeform Just Wanted A Fucking Book

04:47:14 ben_vulpes: punkman: would it be terribly onerous to get deedbot to certify that multiple documents signed by different people are in fact the same document and that all of the signatures verify?

04:47:24 asciilifeform: ^ important

04:47:58 ben_vulpes: mod6 and i have burnt approximately an hour total trying to pretzel gpg into the correct contortions, and it's not working for us.

04:48:06 ben_vulpes: er, an hour each.

04:48:24 decimation: I"m running into some kind of build error on openbsd

04:48:40 decimation: INADDR_NONE AF_INET stuff

04:49:17 ben_vulpes: implementing the mailing list hack you suggested throws a digest error.

04:50:30 asciilifeform: incidentally, looks like bitcoind only supports little-endian cpu.

04:50:45 decimation: based on magic numbers?

04:51:05 asciilifeform: based on i-can't-be-bothered-quite-now-what

04:51:11 *: asciilifeform to bed

04:51:41 *: ben_vulpes as well

04:51:53 *: decimation too

04:51:56 ben_vulpes: arbeit machtzzzzzzz

05:03:48 ben_vulpes: lies

05:03:54 ben_vulpes: so here's what mod6 and i figured out

05:04:01 ben_vulpes: if each party runs gpg --output out.sig --sign --armor thing-to-sign.txt, you can run gpg --decrypt out.sig on the blob

05:04:12 mod6: (PGP MESSAGE)

05:04:15 ben_vulpes: (you being punkbot or anyone verifying contracts)

05:04:24 ben_vulpes: that will *both* check the signature *and* show you the signed blob.

05:04:58 mod6: each party will want to name ``out.sig'' something different obv.

05:05:14 ben_vulpes: the cleartext of multiple versions of the same contract can be compared to each other

05:05:20 ben_vulpes: perhaps this is academic though

05:05:26 mod6: so in this case, ben.sig & mod6.sig, each yields a PGP armored message, that's just a signed file that can be verified.

05:05:29 ben_vulpes: and the parties should all deedify independently.

05:06:09 ben_vulpes: lol now that i spell it out parties should deedify seperately.

05:17:39 ben_vulpes: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VsTnvwB8

05:21:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23282 @ 0.00079502 = 18.5097 BTC [-]

05:34:38 undata: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/10/28/bitbeat-bitcoin-2-0-companies-respond-to-sec-rumor-were-clean/ "He added that anyone who purchased newly issued XCP with bitcoin did so through a “proof of burn” method that renders the incoming bitcoin unusable, ensuring that no material benefit passes to Counterparty or its owners." << Regarding the recent conversation with TheNewDeal on BTC burn ->

05:34:38 assbot: BitBeat: Bitcoin 2.0 Companies Respond to SEC Rumor: We’re Clean - MoneyBeat - WSJ

05:34:39 undata: altcoin, this reveals the real reason: avoiding the fucking government, not economics.

05:35:17 undata: that was apparently too long a line, meant to be one.

05:36:19 undata: Here's your proof of burn: http://pigroll.com/img/i_am_serious_now.jpg

05:56:04 thestringpuller: !up dignork

06:01:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15539 @ 0.0007966 = 12.3784 BTC [+] {2}

06:51:47 thestringpuller: !last h am1

06:51:47 assbot: Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.1242 BTC [-]

06:51:54 thestringpuller: !last h hmf

06:51:54 assbot: Last trade for HMF on HAVELOCK was at 0.00200157 BTC [-]

06:52:04 thestringpuller: !t h HMF

06:52:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK:HMF] 1D: 0.00200700 / 0.00203369 / 0.00248999 (51 shares, 0.10371821 BTC), 7D: 0.00200602 / 0.00208495 / 0.00255630 (63 shares, 0.13135161 BTC), 30D: 0.00200001 / 0.00248113 / 0.00299768 (596 shares, 1.47875423 BTC)

07:03:47 thestringpuller: !up tryphe

07:03:49 thestringpuller: !up dvsdude

07:04:56 dvsdude: thanks

07:07:49 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> punkman: would it be terribly onerous to get deedbot to certify that multiple documents signed by different people are in fact the same document and that all of the signatures verify? <<< this is not conceptually possible tho.

07:07:53 mircea_popescu: onus remains on reader.

07:19:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00079502 = 1.5105 BTC [-]

07:30:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00079348 = 21.1066 BTC [-] {4}

08:00:20 punkman: was looking at Conformal's stuff, foun this https://www.cyphertite.com/plans.php

08:00:20 assbot: Cyphertite | Flexible Data Plans

08:25:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00079693 = 4.5823 BTC [+]

08:41:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16247 @ 0.00079327 = 12.8883 BTC [-] {2}

09:17:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00079195 = 16.8685 BTC [-] {2}

09:23:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00079567 = 10.6222 BTC [+] {2}

09:39:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20121 @ 0.00079581 = 16.0125 BTC [+]

11:42:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4181 @ 0.0007941 = 3.3201 BTC [-]

11:49:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26456 @ 0.00079336 = 20.9891 BTC [-] {2}

12:03:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18841 @ 0.00079595 = 14.9965 BTC [+] {2}

12:06:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00079633 = 5.415 BTC [+]

12:28:55 thickasthieves: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/527436809312419840

12:28:56 assbot: What is the common thread connecting bitcoin WoT fixation, MRAs, PUAs and trolling? It’s quite peculiar how those cluster.

12:29:10 thickasthieves: still buried in logs, hope everyone is doing well!

12:30:32 thickasthieves: lol my irc client isnt even caching how far back i am now that i scrolled down

12:32:02 thickasthieves: fwiw, i'm sensing a major disturbance in the force, re SEC letters, coinfire DMCA takedowm, COindesk waiving their hands saying 'these are not the sec letters yer lookin for'

12:32:42 thickasthieves: wtf is this bullshit with, we sending you a letter, but now that youve read it you dont have freedom of speech?

12:32:46 thickasthieves: etc

12:48:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00079057 = 23.4009 BTC [-] {2}

12:50:18 RagnarDanneskjol: thickasthieves still buried - yea, I missed few days and dont think I'm ever gonna get through it -esp with any given link prompting hours+ sidetrack journey.. might have to declare lawg bk

12:53:23 RagnarDanneskjol: ;;google logruptsy

12:53:23 gribble: No matches found.

12:53:51 RagnarDanneskjol: logruptcy*

13:15:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00079444 = 5.6405 BTC [+]

13:18:59 RagnarDanneskjol: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Pseudonymous%20secure%20computation%20from%20time-lock%20puzzles.pdf [Pseudonymous Secure Computation from Time-Lock Puzzles]

13:19:00 assbot: 404 Not Found

13:37:18 mod6: was mp the only one to sign s.qntr?

13:39:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00078955 = 10.8563 BTC [-]

13:40:32 mod6: html links point to wrong/non-existant files.

14:00:39 jurov: mod6 you mean the Signed links?

14:02:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00079214 = 9.268 BTC [+]

14:03:30 thickasthieves: !s http://onerng.info/

14:03:30 assbot: OneRNG - Hardware Random Number Generator

14:03:31 assbot: 2 results for 'http://onerng.info/' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fonerng.info%2F

14:09:52 mod6: <+jurov> mod6 you mean the Signed links? << yeah

14:18:54 mod6: looks like the keyid's are correct, just not linked to the correct file

14:19:41 mod6: was just checking these things too see what was done recently. for instance, with s.bbet the IPO was clear signed by one party, and then that clearsigned doc was then clearsigned again by a second party.

14:20:33 mod6: s/too/to/

14:21:06 nubbins`: my s.mg ssw was signed in this fashion as well

14:21:25 nubbins`: as are my casascius custody chains, although that's more my decision than anyone else's 8)

14:21:41 mod6: i only see one sig for s.mg, which makes sense.

14:21:47 nubbins`: nod

14:21:51 mod6: ok :]

14:22:24 nubbins`: http://fraudsters.com/2013/15th-blown-other-statements/#comment-93968

14:22:24 assbot: 15th blown, other statements. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:22:40 *: mod6 looks

14:23:59 mod6: ah yeah. thx

14:26:33 nubbins`: hm, still no punkbot?

14:27:02 mod6: looks that way

14:27:47 nubbins`: wanna test a deed ;/

14:28:23 mod6: ya, ben_vulpes & I need to try to figure it out too

14:34:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00078955 = 19.8967 BTC [-]

14:37:19 nubbins`: didja see the links i posted yest?

14:37:56 nubbins`: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#900966

14:37:56 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:16:56; nubbins`: also if anyone is curious, the following links may be of some use as a quick and dirty deed verification system:

14:38:12 nubbins`: not set up for multi-deed bundles yet, but should be a trivial change

14:40:57 mod6: thx, will review

14:41:23 bounce: dirty deeds, done dirt cheap

14:42:59 nubbins`: ^ realized aftwd

14:43:13 nubbins`: need your dirty deeds verified? roll into #b-a

14:43:39 nubbins`: say, i'm thinking about doing another run of posters, this time pgp-themed. any interest?

14:45:02 mod6: <+bounce> dirty deeds, done dirt cheap << +1

14:50:57 mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net <<< and it's under 300k :D

14:50:58 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast

14:51:41 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/nathan-cirillo-inspired-racism-experiment-ends-with-punch-to-face-1.2816837

14:51:41 assbot: Nathan Cirillo-inspired racism 'experiment' ends with punch to face - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton

14:51:46 nubbins`: good guy canadians

14:54:45 mircea_popescu: "mom, look at me, i r filmmaker!!!!" ?

14:55:03 asciilifeform: thickasthieves: rng << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#900085

14:55:03 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 12:47:11; asciilifeform: undata: onerng.info << best lulz! this calls for a mini-review.

14:55:56 asciilifeform: thickasthieves: and i vaguely recall that mircea_popescu was thinking of writing to them. no idea what came of that

14:56:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did, they answered (both guys), seemed reasonable enough, gave them a link to here.

14:56:20 mod6: lol, the ole right hook to the nose

14:57:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reasonable << now i'm curious. 'aha we'll seppuku now!' ...or 'aha we'll crib yours we promise!' or...?

15:04:10 mircea_popescu: !up johntraveller

15:04:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ima paste it a sec.

15:07:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/VGF7u0DN

15:07:37 assbot: On Tue, October 28, 2014 6:00 pm, Paul Campbell wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10 - Pastebin.com

15:08:53 thickasthieves: coinfire.cf went back online via bitcoinvps, now they are ddos'd

15:09:26 mircea_popescu: aww

15:09:27 johntraveller: @mircea_popescu thanks, I just came across your blog via your comment on xenosystems

15:09:34 mircea_popescu: hello there.

15:10:20 mircea_popescu: so how do you like it ?

15:11:00 johntraveller: @micrea_popescu hello. yes, lots of good stuff. good to have my opinions of ethereum/altcoins/etc seconded

15:11:10 mircea_popescu: incidentally, is this "traveller" thing some sort of reference, because i keep seeying it.

15:11:12 johntraveller: have you been following moldbug/nrx for long?

15:11:48 mircea_popescu: i have in fact not followed either for any interval at all. these other guys do, maybe decimation is the local authority on yarvin. asciilifeform used to have a battleship or w/e it was called in his leaky snowglobe.

15:12:27 mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned i sent him a challenge when he was being dumb. http://fraudsters.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/

15:12:27 assbot: Stage n: Bitcoin exists. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:12:32 mircea_popescu: never heard from him again as it were.

15:13:24 mircea_popescu: and im not even sure what nrx is. this chick that follows these things pointed it out here, but i don't think it's been followed up.

15:13:38 mircea_popescu: !s nrx

15:13:39 assbot: 4 results for 'nrx' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nrx

15:13:43 johntraveller: imo moldbug’s most interesting writing is on the history of progressivism, and how it evolved from puritanism

15:13:58 mircea_popescu: here's a handy tool :

15:14:00 mircea_popescu: !s moldbug

15:14:01 assbot: 71 results for 'moldbug' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=moldbug

15:14:03 mircea_popescu: !s curtis

15:14:04 assbot: 19 results for 'curtis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=curtis

15:14:05 mircea_popescu: !s yarvin

15:14:06 assbot: 57 results for 'yarvin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=yarvin

15:14:12 mircea_popescu: saves me from having to repeat myself :)

15:16:13 asciilifeform: 'we're making entropy - not a full random number generator, something to feed it' << ???!??

15:16:34 TomServo: ;;later tell nubbins` any interest? << I'm interested. Will it be another sight unseen deal?

15:16:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:16:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with the theory of constant improvement ?

15:17:21 asciilifeform: hm?

15:18:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, something like this : two brothers, same age, both wish to get married. this takes money. brother #1 goes into an apprenticeship, money's not good, but it slowly adds up, one year later he's saved enough.

15:18:30 diametric: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/10/28/4

15:18:30 assbot: oss-security - ftp(1) can be made execute arbitrary commands by malicious webserver

15:18:34 mircea_popescu: borther #2 doesn't think anything of this working for no good money bs, takes a loan, goes on a trading trip, a year later he's back, pays off his loan, has enough leftover to marry.

15:18:57 mircea_popescu: both strategies work, in practice. either proceed correctly or proceed gradually.

15:19:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18544 @ 0.00078955 = 14.6414 BTC [-]

15:19:16 mircea_popescu: diametric different i take it from any of the other 50 or so similar issues over the years ?

15:19:48 asciilifeform: new.

15:19:57 asciilifeform: well, newly unearthed

15:20:38 mircea_popescu: open fucking source. a billion eyes, yo. then next you know, everything is a piece of shit.

15:20:52 mircea_popescu: "o, but we're fixing it".

15:20:54 asciilifeform: point of shit, piece of sale

15:21:02 diametric: mircea_popescu: its comically bad. basically they reused the popen feature when using -o with a pipe, when omitting the -o option and instead deriving it from the url..

15:21:02 mircea_popescu: yeah, yeah. how's this different from the politicians ? they're also "fixing it"

15:21:07 mircea_popescu: nevermind that they broke it in the first place.

15:21:46 mircea_popescu: diametric the original, gentlemanly internet is a fucking curse to the current internet.

15:21:52 asciilifeform: rng << it is so easy to build a proper rng, the astonishing part is that there are not 500 people selling them for fifty cents.

15:21:52 mircea_popescu: it created so many bad habits...

15:22:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people gotta learn how.

15:22:33 diametric: http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/ftp/fetch.c#rev1.96 i guess nobody fucking reads.

15:22:33 assbot: CVS log for src/usr.bin/ftp/fetch.c

15:22:41 diametric: fixed 5 years ago in openbsd.

15:22:56 mircea_popescu: diametric nobody fucking reads.

15:23:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they can crack open a copy of, e.g, 'horowitz and hill' (1980) - it doesn't bite

15:23:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how are they to know ?

15:23:34 mircea_popescu: understand, us college is unlikely to mention that, too busy talking about irigaray and the rest of the worthless fuckwits

15:24:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i even studied in usa, and it was mentioned, wtf

15:24:13 mircea_popescu: check your privilege.

15:24:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: irigaray of e=mc^2-is-racist fame?

15:24:47 mircea_popescu: "because it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us"

15:25:04 mircea_popescu: also famous for being the only idiot ~lacan~ threw out for being an idiot.

15:25:20 mircea_popescu: lacan, you understand me ? the original "i cnat raed here's some words because words"

15:26:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!

15:26:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i didn't think the irigarists were designing electronics. or... are they

15:26:47 mircea_popescu: stupidity is pervasive.

15:27:08 mircea_popescu: the idea that if you allow i dunno, the gardening club to be stupid the stupidity will sit there contained is beyond naive.

15:27:23 mircea_popescu: within a decade you get mathgardening clamoring for grants.

15:27:52 undata: "They also take issue with the assertion that fluid mechanics is unfairly neglected because it deals with "feminine" fluids in contrast to "masculine" rigid mechanics." << there are such feminists here in Portland

15:28:24 asciilifeform: mechanics of feminine fluids?

15:28:35 undata: ...WHO says men don't produce fluids?

15:29:10 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://fraudsters.com/2011/moment-de-intimitate-n-baie/

15:29:10 assbot: Moment de intimitate-n baie pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:29:21 mircea_popescu: the whys and wherefores taking a leak on your girl is nice.

15:31:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25563 @ 0.00078994 = 20.1932 BTC [+] {4}

15:31:51 mircea_popescu: punkman so what's happened to the bot ? dead ?

15:32:54 asciilifeform: 'any periodic noise that makes it through simply reduces the bits/byte number of the entropy and gets smeared out by subsequent whitening' << is he serious? gotta be trolling

15:33:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18701 @ 0.00078815 = 14.7392 BTC [-] {4}

15:34:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the people who think whitening does something ?

15:34:49 punkman: mircea_popescu: will be up shortly

15:34:54 mircea_popescu: !up johntraveller

15:35:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'he turned off the light, so the room will be empty'

15:35:27 mircea_popescu: :p

15:35:42 punkman: added transaction broadcast retrying, and also bot will stop bundling if previous bundle tx remains unconfirmed

15:35:55 mircea_popescu: what do you mean stop bundling ?

15:36:15 punkman: it won't make a new bundle, will leave deeds pending

15:36:26 mircea_popescu: is this useful ?

15:36:36 punkman: well gotta confirm previous tx to spent again

15:36:48 punkman: because only one tx in address

15:36:55 mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, better to queue the made txn than this i think

15:37:39 mircea_popescu: consider the following situation : bundle 1 gets made, added, gets 1 confirm. bundle 2 gets created, gets added just as the blockchain reogrs.

15:37:47 mircea_popescu: now 1 is unconfirmend again, 2 is ocnfirmed however.

15:37:52 mircea_popescu: !up johntraveller_

15:38:08 punkman: it has a queue, can just set max_unconfirmed

15:38:30 mircea_popescu: k so then it can just proceed with the bundles normally, irrespective of what happened to previous bundle.

15:39:36 punkman: also, now there is http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/json and http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/raw

15:40:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17101 @ 0.00079421 = 13.5818 BTC [+] {2}

15:43:28 mircea_popescu: ah splendid

15:43:54 johntraveller: mircea_popescu: thanks, though I’m planning on lurking for a while until I’ve read more

15:44:02 punkman: and http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/149LB8VY/json

15:44:03 mircea_popescu: cool.

15:44:29 asciilifeform: anybody else build my no. 4 patch ?

15:45:02 mircea_popescu: johntraveller http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets << also a good thing to read, as a primer on the technology that is the fundament of our superiority.

15:45:03 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

15:45:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6635 @ 0.00079444 = 5.2711 BTC [+]

15:45:46 punkman: if anyone has a clue about bc.info tags, let me know why it hasn't verified https://blockchain.info/tags?filter=16

15:45:46 assbot: Bitcoin Address Tags - Blockchain.info

15:46:23 johntraveller: and sit in my $200/mo apartment in china, slowly converting my british fiat into btc and planning business ideas that work once the fed’s printing presses stop spinnng

15:46:32 mircea_popescu: punkman is the address on the linked page ?

15:46:43 punkman: yeah

15:46:51 mircea_popescu: maybe they've not got to it yet.

15:47:04 mircea_popescu: johntraveller in that case you'd better get in the wot asap.

15:49:18 thickasthieves: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1132-open-letter-to-bitcoin-businesses-why-im-closing-my-accounts/

15:49:19 assbot: Open Letter to Bitcoin Businesses: Why I'm closing my accounts - General - Bitcoin Foundation

15:51:05 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves was here yest :D

15:52:02 thickasthieves: sry i'm way behind

15:56:06 mircea_popescu: http://52weeksofux.com/ <<

15:56:07 assbot: 52 Weeks of UX

15:56:13 mircea_popescu: of ux you see.

15:56:38 asciilifeform: 52 week so fux

15:56:58 mircea_popescu: one year in Fux

15:57:09 bounce: none were given

15:57:17 mircea_popescu: lol

15:58:25 mircea_popescu: "Let?s take a moment and chat. No secrets or techniques this time, I just want to take a post and discuss my own personal strategies for consistently dominating almost every niche I enter. Instead of creating an objective and methodologies I?m just going to casually write and talk some details, because of course my strategies require quite a bit of work and aren?t for everyone."

15:58:26 mircea_popescu: of course.

15:58:43 los_pantalones: hahahahha

15:58:56 mircea_popescu: security ? "of course". not for everyone ? "of course". for everyone ? "of course!"

15:59:00 mircea_popescu: poor of course.

16:02:46 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/52ce5e8ead58f62482a9ae7f96f9c7c5/tumblr_n8k4d0zXxN1s7xduro1_500.jpg << if only that were a nailgun, she could be a banker callgirl.

16:08:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00078741 = 36.4571 BTC [-] {3}

16:13:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00078626 = 20.3641 BTC [-] {2}

16:20:37 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

16:20:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 340.48, Best ask: 340.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 340.63, 24 hour volume: 11877.38045173, 24 hour low: 337.74, 24 hour high: 359.5, 24 hour vwap: 348.749963197

16:22:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.0007858 = 16.8947 BTC [-] {2}

16:22:26 jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea << my braindump about turdatron

16:22:26 assbot: Some dangerous idea - serialized delusions

16:23:18 jurov: asciilifeform: ^

16:25:32 jurov: upon seeing the result.. well, i quite stepped into something

16:26:38 asciilifeform: jurov: neato!

16:31:19 mod6: nice jurov :)

16:36:26 mircea_popescu: !up elementofone

16:36:41 elementofone: whats up

16:37:16 mircea_popescu: not much. who are you ?

16:37:31 thestringpuller: ;;seen cazalla

16:37:31 gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 hours, 31 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <cazalla> http://qntra.net/2014/10/mit-bitcoin-project-goes-live/ less than a week to claim the coins, i wonder if what remains will be pocketed by someone

16:37:36 thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo

16:37:37 gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 36 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> Yeah

16:37:45 thestringpuller: damn the editors are asleep

16:38:20 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller didja need somethin' ?

16:38:33 elementofone: ;; elementofone

16:38:34 gribble: Error: "elementofone" is not a valid command.

16:38:39 elementofone: ;;seen elementofone

16:38:39 gribble: elementofone was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 seconds ago: <elementofone> ;; elementofone

16:38:48 asciilifeform: meowmix.

16:38:53 elementofone: ;;seen meowmix

16:38:53 gribble: meowmix was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 58 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <meowmix> !b 50

16:39:11 elementofone: how many bitcoins is $400,000 worth?

16:39:42 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: had an article I wrote last night. BingoBoingo said he'd be in "the office" in the morning. I guess I can just send to their inbox.

16:40:11 elementofone: how many bitcoins is $400,000 worth?

16:40:13 mircea_popescu: prolly safe to email then followup

16:40:25 elementofone: HOW MANY BITCOINS IS $400000 WORTH?

16:40:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ip or what ?

16:41:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the smell.

16:41:13 mircea_popescu: lol k

16:42:57 undata: elementofone: loud idiot from mass; who'd have expected that...

16:43:35 kakobrekla: o fuk

16:43:43 kakobrekla: i just had the best meat plate i had in years!

16:43:47 *: kakobrekla in tears

16:43:52 mircea_popescu: girlfriend ?

16:43:58 kakobrekla: wha?

16:44:06 elementofone: who is meowmix?

16:44:06 mircea_popescu: what meat was it ?

16:44:15 kakobrekla: ah all sorts

16:46:17 elementofone: !s meowmix

16:46:17 assbot: 16 results for 'meowmix' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=meowmix

16:47:28 elementofone: !s !down

16:47:28 assbot: 4548 results for '!down' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%21down

16:47:32 elementofone: !s !up

16:47:34 assbot: 18611 results for '!up' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%21up

16:47:46 elementofone: !s christmas

16:47:47 assbot: 98 results for 'christmas' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=christmas

16:47:49 elementofone: !s merry christmas

16:47:49 assbot: 1 results for 'merry christmas' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=merry+christmas

16:47:57 TomServo: !down elementofone

16:48:05 thestringpuller: TomServo beat me to it

16:48:06 elementofone: nooo waaa

16:48:06 asciilifeform: !down elementofone

16:48:35 TomServo: Tried do.. but I bliped it seems.

16:53:43 mircea_popescu: 18k ups, that's something.

16:54:07 kakobrekla: its less.

16:54:15 mircea_popescu: oh ?

16:54:52 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 365

16:54:52 gribble: 8760

16:54:58 mircea_popescu: like a year's worth!

16:55:08 kakobrekla: it seems it disregards '!' when searching

16:55:22 mircea_popescu: o i c

16:57:23 jurov: http://cyber.bgu.ac.il/content/how-leak-sensitive-data-isolated-computer-air-gap-near-mobile-phone-airhopper

16:57:24 assbot: How to leak sensitive data from an isolated computer (air-gap) to a near by mobile phone - AirHopper | Cyber Security Labs @ Ben Gurion University

16:58:00 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ...conceptually possible << do clearsigned copies of the contract from both parties per S.WOL suffice?

16:58:14 mircea_popescu: yup

16:58:35 ben_vulpes: this not being able to sign the same actual document thing is downright irksome.

16:58:42 ben_vulpes: or not validating the same doc...

16:58:55 asciilifeform: phone demo << http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << ancient classic, no news

16:59:00 ben_vulpes: i'd really like punkbot to take in the raw doc and .sig files. but...whatever.

17:01:21 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: note on s.qntr prospectus

17:01:29 thestringpuller: the signed IPO's are not linked on MPEx.co

17:02:26 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://mpex.co/assets/s.wol-468F4AD0.txt what dfo you mean not linked ?

17:02:26 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

17:02:51 mircea_popescu: oh i see it's malformed. thanks!

17:02:53 thestringpuller: yea

17:03:10 thestringpuller: linked but malformed! my bad. i'm trying to get better at this words thing.

17:05:38 punkman: ben_vulpes: did you try the gpg multisig hack?

17:08:25 asciilifeform: for n00b turdatronic engineers >> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures

17:08:26 assbot: Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin

17:09:02 ben_vulpes: punkman: we did and it blew up on digests.

17:09:09 asciilifeform: (selectice bug list by malicious folks)

17:09:28 asciilifeform: (selective*

17:09:49 ben_vulpes: what is the net column?

17:10:26 ben_vulpes: ah upgrade rate

17:10:30 ben_vulpes: how would they know...

17:10:34 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nodes polled and returned version <= it

17:16:31 ben_vulpes: <jurov> http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea << my braindump about turdatron << UPNP was me, jurov

17:16:31 assbot: Some dangerous idea - serialized delusions

17:17:00 jurov: lol... we miss that damn thing

17:17:02 asciilifeform: right

17:18:28 ben_vulpes: forgive my mis/poor-understanding of the gpgmail thing, but...

17:19:10 ben_vulpes: is a clearsigned body not adequate because risk of crlf's?

17:19:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00078725 = 6.139 BTC [+]

17:19:41 jurov: the body is only comment. patch itself will be always in attachment

17:19:49 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: every email system everywhere appears to feel entitled to rape plain ascii in a dozen ways

17:19:51 jurov: with another attachemnt the signature

17:20:12 ben_vulpes: so what's wrong with a needle through which interested parties must pass their messages?

17:20:37 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ?

17:20:40 jurov: what do you mean?

17:21:05 ben_vulpes: those who wish to write messages to the mailing list must ensure that their messages arrive mutilated.

17:21:10 ben_vulpes: un*mutilated

17:21:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how?

17:21:33 ben_vulpes: a bounce notification would be nice.

17:21:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ddos vector

17:21:53 jurov: if you register, you'll get bounces

17:22:25 rithm: there's actually some new appify thing that takes source code and make pretty .pdfs from it

17:22:28 jurov: or it will be held for moderation, dunn how it's configured atm

17:22:31 rithm: fyi

17:23:10 asciilifeform: rithm: LaTeX

17:23:22 jurov: rithm, thx i remembereed lxr

17:23:41 jurov: it generates crosslinked html from c sources have used it to hack

17:23:43 ben_vulpes: so register, send messages until bounces stop

17:24:52 *: ben_vulpes goes to test

17:25:21 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: would use latex

17:25:36 thestringpuller: oh yea i remember what I was doing

17:25:50 thestringpuller: !s from:asciilifeform turd

17:25:52 assbot: 213 results for 'from:asciilifeform turd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+turd

17:26:41 thestringpuller: ^- these are pretty good

17:29:02 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896195

17:29:02 assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 00:02:57; assbot: 374 results for 'turd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=turd

17:29:10 ben_vulpes: jurov: i don't get bounces for failed signatures.

17:29:11 ben_vulpes: anyways

17:29:22 jurov: ;;calc 213/374

17:29:23 gribble: 0.569518716578

17:29:24 ben_vulpes: my mail client doesn't seem to have a problem sending plaintext emails.


17:32:51 thestringpuller: isn't he that guy on ABC news

17:33:01 jurov: ben_vulpes: i don't see you in memberlist

17:34:59 mircea_popescu: xanthyos you mean andreas imarriedadoofus ?

17:36:57 asciilifeform: lxr << what a turd! wants 'apache', and to be a server, etc.

17:37:56 asciilifeform: i always wondered why there isn't just a gizmo that eats a source tree and craps out html where any keyword that appears more than once is hyperlinked

17:39:05 ben_vulpes: jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000002.html << eh?

17:39:09 mircea_popescu: cuz php is the tool for that job and ppl are too good for php ?

17:40:21 asciilifeform: what's php to do with it? in principle it could work for any language syntax

17:40:42 mircea_popescu: sure.

17:40:53 mircea_popescu: i dunno, was my best guess.

17:40:58 jurov: ben_vulpes: nice

17:41:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00078761 = 15.8703 BTC [+]

17:42:46 ben_vulpes: jurov: the unsigned email did not arrive, so i must presume your filter is doing *something*

17:43:03 jurov: yes i did get notification for the first one

17:43:54 jurov: you thought NSA ate it?

17:45:32 []bot: Bet placed: 20 BTC for No on "BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/713/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 54.81502285 BTC. Current weight: 14,770.

17:47:11 mircea_popescu: www.usapglobal.org/webalizer/low-concord-11s.html << the spammers thank the usap for all the free hosting/google rank

17:47:38 mircea_popescu: and why have a fucking email anywhere on the site ? not like you need to be warned when you got buttraped, because super-speshul and errything.

17:49:06 ben_vulpes: that's a helluva bet

17:50:29 mircea_popescu: esp given the low weight.

17:50:40 asciilifeform: no one knows of a cpp to html-concordance gizmo that isn't a steaming turd ?

17:51:24 mircea_popescu: o wait, "in principle it could work for any language syntax" ?

17:51:28 *: mircea_popescu cackles

17:52:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: basic principle, you tell it how to tokenize a given language, the rest is concordance mechanism

17:52:15 mircea_popescu: no argument there, just... you know

17:52:18 kakobrekla: top

17:52:22 kakobrekla: eh

17:52:28 mircea_popescu: did you lose again ? :D

17:55:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.ocmetro.com/ << orange county experts. meanwhile www.ocmetro.com/pp.aspx up their butt.

17:55:32 assbot: OC METRO Magazine

17:55:36 mircea_popescu: !up rdekley

17:58:28 mircea_popescu: https://www.r3.org.uk/ "R3, The Association of Business Recovery Professionals is the leading organisation for insolvency, restructuring and turnaround specialists in the UK." but meanwhile www.r3.org.uk/styles/list.cfm?id=221 nike blazar

17:58:28 assbot: R3: Association of Business Recovery Professionals

17:59:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.w3.org/Tools/Prog_lang_filters.html << classic decay of civilization. 9 of 10 links - dead. and most of the systems are for producing 'auto documentation' - that is, made for satisfying retarded management, rather than to actually aid in study of code.

18:00:01 mircea_popescu: yup.

18:00:44 mircea_popescu: this is the thing with bitcoin. never before have been smart people motivated to consider a wide swath of issues

18:01:05 mircea_popescu: from money and what poor idiots may get all the way to concordance mechanisms.

18:01:07 jurov: lxr is a steaming turd?

18:01:20 mircea_popescu: it's all been a "let the wife handle it" sort of whatever, while graham went on with "his real work" up until now.

18:01:54 asciilifeform: jurov: yes. wants apache. QED.

18:02:31 jurov: cus it's bunch of cgi scripts.

18:02:41 jurov: that does not mean papache

18:03:29 asciilifeform: jurov: i need static html.

18:04:15 mircea_popescu: !up Takeshi

18:08:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the thing with bitcoin << well, halfway there. stokes appetite, yes. but can't satisfy hunger by rubbing stomach.

18:09:07 asciilifeform: !s spreading works

18:09:07 assbot: 12 results for 'spreading works' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spreading+works

18:09:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802309

18:09:52 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'

18:13:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00078989 = 8.7678 BTC [+] {2}

18:14:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform granted. still... a step forward, soviet! :D

18:15:07 asciilifeform: world full'o'delicious spreadables.

18:15:57 assbot: lobbes +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

18:16:22 bounce: !up lobbes

18:16:40 lobbes: ty, I have fallen from assbot's favor :/

18:17:41 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: as granin says, "To capitalism!"

18:19:06 asciilifeform: to fapitalism.

18:19:10 diametric: https://www.drupal.org/PSA-2014-003

18:19:10 assbot: Drupal Core - Highly Critical - Public Service announcement - PSA-2014-003 | Drupal.org

18:20:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6737 @ 0.00079009 = 5.3228 BTC [+]

18:22:01 asciilifeform: ^ massive total pwn

18:23:02 punkman: drupal's even worse than wordpress

18:23:29 bounce: is it now?

18:23:39 ben_vulpes: lol drupal

18:23:43 diametric: statistically i'd say no

18:24:23 diametric: at a previous job i had a decades worth of data involving compromised websites, and wordpress by far lead the pack in vulnerable and shitty cms

18:24:26 asciilifeform: statistically - christmas never comes for the goose.

18:24:41 punkman: well dunno about security, but once upon a time I tried to work with it and it made 0 sense

18:25:04 bounce: ah. vulnerability revealed!

18:25:46 mircea_popescu: here's a bonus for jurov http://www.tomorrowisanotherday.de/overview/boys/#/

18:25:47 assbot: Tomorrow Is Another Day

18:26:20 joecool: diametric: DNN would win most compromised in my experience, wordpress usually got compromised through crappy plugins (of which there are MANY to choose from)

18:26:42 mircea_popescu: which one is dnn ?

18:26:51 joecool: dotnetnuke (asp.net shit)

18:27:07 diametric: joecool: quite possibly, the data i had was real world scenarios, so actual real world wordpress installations.

18:27:33 diametric: which apparently includes a lot of shitty plugins.

18:27:37 mircea_popescu: ah. from what i see a lot of sites get owned through some sort of image plugin

18:27:43 joecool: timthumb

18:27:51 joecool: a lot a of theme designers used it

18:27:56 mircea_popescu: www.wagonsformemories.com/images/links-of-london-cheap-charms.html << example.

18:28:07 joecool: even the creator of timthumb doesn't suggest it anymore

18:28:13 joecool: after they fixed the issues

18:28:34 mircea_popescu: www.snackbox-express.li/css/THAVASA-1.html << also see a lot of shit dumped in /css/ , which is problably indicative of wp or django

18:28:58 mircea_popescu: di-via.ru/images/tmp/1399976090_well20142.html >> moar /images/

18:29:31 diametric: "Removing a compromised website’s backdoors is difficult because it is not possible to be certain all backdoors have been found." lols.

18:29:33 joecool: most certainly timthumb, that script allowed you to upload any file trivially

18:30:13 mircea_popescu: diametric i don't think anyone tries to clean servers. reinstall is the only pill.

18:30:23 diametric: agreed

18:30:31 diametric: but almost never happens in practice

18:30:49 joecool: wordpress can be secured fairly well, not too many do it though (involves ripping out wp-admin from frontend and a mess of other things)

18:30:55 mircea_popescu: well that's because people build from the ground up with security in mind so never get owned.

18:31:06 mircea_popescu: joecool fraudsters was originally wp.

18:31:25 ben_vulpes: lol and what is it now mircea_popescu

18:31:38 joecool: mircea_popescu: did you have any compromises when it was?

18:31:39 mircea_popescu: i have no idea.

18:32:23 mircea_popescu: joecool no. here's a guy trying tho : http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90300

18:32:23 assbot: The Storm That Was Fel pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:32:38 mircea_popescu: www.active-tools.com/Sitemanager/mulberry.asp?id=55 << also lulzy. wtf is "sitemanager"

18:37:50 kakobrekla: a friend at coinbase links me http://blog.coinbase.com/post/101266587127/introducing-multisig-vault-you-can-now-control-your - thanks to jurov i can link him http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea

18:37:50 assbot: The Coinbase Blog — Introducing Multisig Vault - You Can Now Control Your Own Private Keys On Coinbase

18:37:50 assbot: Some dangerous idea - serialized delusions

18:38:00 kakobrekla: hehe

18:38:18 mircea_popescu: www.negotiatinggenuinely.com/holding/admin/gucci_online_433.html << guy wrote a book. herp.

18:38:47 mircea_popescu: jurov it's either a dangerous idea or some dangerous ideas you know.

18:38:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'spam like a pro in 21 hours' ?

18:38:59 jurov: kakobrekla how does it relate to some derpwallet?

18:39:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, no, "how to negotiate". pretty sure he's a clueless twit rather than the actual spammer

18:39:53 jurov: fixed thx

18:40:39 mircea_popescu: did that break kako's url now

18:41:02 mircea_popescu: www.ispeacepossible.com/flv/mulberry-sale/

18:42:51 kakobrekla: it relates

18:43:08 kakobrekla: somebody is DOING something, and somebody else is DOING something else

18:43:11 mircea_popescu: im sure, just get everyone purses.

18:43:12 kakobrekla: ez.

18:43:34 asciilifeform: if the idea is 'shit we won't ever do' list - all the paper in the world would not suffice

18:44:43 kakobrekla: well not all the possible shit, just shit others are doing.

18:44:50 kakobrekla: that would fit on paper.

18:45:15 kakobrekla: at least i hope

18:45:16 mircea_popescu: can i do the somebody doing something while doing the somebody else doing the something else ?

18:45:33 kakobrekla: correct

18:45:47 mircea_popescu: let's make it done!

18:45:55 asciilifeform: 'little fleas have smaller fleas, on their backs to bite them....'

18:46:31 kakobrekla: is there no last flea?

18:47:07 kakobrekla: is the set finite in other words

18:47:45 kakobrekla: hello is this thing on?

18:48:02 asciilifeform: 'little scams have lesser scams, at their heels to scam them; and lesser scams, have lesser scams; and lesser spams...

18:48:30 kakobrekla: ah! i was hoping for a 'yes'.

18:50:29 asciilifeform: 'but greater scams have greater scams, for their chumps to go on; and greater scams - yet greater scams, and greater ones, and so on...

18:52:14 kakobrekla: until you get to homeopathic levels of scam

18:52:58 kakobrekla: which isnt medicine arguably

18:53:11 mircea_popescu: http://www.ristoranteletoile.it/acquista-oakley/ << check that one out.

18:53:12 assbot: Oakley

18:53:28 mircea_popescu: oakley took over a domain that seems like it was registered by some restaurant in italy, because well... spam.

18:53:50 mircea_popescu: apparently it's dangerous to actually run an open spamserver on your domain name. i wonder how they did it tho.

18:55:53 mircea_popescu: http://gbcinternetenforcement.net/12-cv-9864b "oakley vs 100 does". now how the fuck did they get an .it domain ?

18:55:53 assbot: Oakley, Inc. v. DOES 1-100 et al. Case No. 12-cv-9864 | Greer, Burns & Crain, Ltd.

18:56:25 asciilifeform: muppeteer state vs. muppet state, no contest

18:57:26 mircea_popescu: uhm.

18:58:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.tripadvisor.it/Restaurant_Review-g194794-d1547813-Reviews-Ristorante_L_Etoile-Lido_Di_Camaiore_Camaiore_Province_of_Lucca_Tuscany.html << meanwhile the actual place.

18:58:20 assbot: Ristorante L' Etoile, Lido Di Camaiore - Recensioni, Numero di Telefono & Foto - TripAdvisor

18:58:29 joecool: is oakley a luxottica co?

18:58:34 joecool: er brand

18:58:40 joecool: oh yes, they are

18:58:43 joecool: that's why

18:58:55 mircea_popescu: joecool yeah.

18:59:00 mircea_popescu: so what if the yare ?!

18:59:08 mircea_popescu: oh. nm :)

18:59:16 mircea_popescu: good catch there.

19:00:19 asciilifeform: and - it was a default judgement, looks like.

19:00:28 mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/R4owdC2.png << this should be a logo

19:00:43 mircea_popescu: if i ever start a law firm...

19:00:47 mike_c: <+kakobrekla> is there no last flea? << it's turtles all the way down.

19:00:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21163 @ 0.00078725 = 16.6606 BTC [-]

19:01:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i could've sworn i had a textbook with those insects on the cover. (algorithms??)

19:01:19 kakobrekla: hehe yea

19:01:50 mircea_popescu: hm

19:03:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00078782 = 11.8961 BTC [+]

19:09:13 mircea_popescu: !up username0

19:10:09 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/rockminer-and-asicminer-form-mining-cartel-to-launch-amhash1/ and http://qntra.net/2014/10/currentc-breeched/

19:10:10 assbot: RockMiner and ASICMINER Form Mining Cartel to Launch AMHash1 | Qntra.net

19:10:10 assbot: CurrentC Breeched | Qntra.net

19:11:33 joecool: the payment system industry is a fucking mess in the US

19:12:23 joecool: though i did think "Pay With ISIS" was funny

19:19:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23420 @ 0.00078797 = 18.4543 BTC [+] {2}

19:21:57 BingoBoingo: Yeah.

19:22:22 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gnu-wget-vulnerability/ << Thank you decimation

19:22:22 assbot: GNU wget Vulnerability | Qntra.net

19:22:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: diametric

19:23:15 BingoBoingo: Sorry, thanks diametric.

19:23:42 BingoBoingo: Name collision error in headspace.

19:24:39 asciilifeform: aaand... latest (no. 4) turd - builds, fetches blocks, appears to function

19:25:19 asciilifeform: on an entirely 'pedestrial' gentoo box, even.

19:25:26 *: BingoBoingo applauds

19:25:30 asciilifeform: *pedestrian

19:25:49 BingoBoingo: I kind of liked the pedestrian/industrial combo word

19:26:15 mircea_popescu: well done!

19:26:31 asciilifeform: still nowhere to house it though

19:42:31 mircea_popescu: icm-ca.net/ lol

19:44:43 joecool: ugh i hate how gnupg2 depends on pinentry -_-

19:47:01 TomServo: http://online.wsj.com/articles/fed-ends-bond-buys-sticks-to-0-rate-for-considerable-time-1414605953

19:47:02 assbot: Fed Ends Bond Buys, Sticks to 0% Rate for ‘Considerable Time’ - WSJ - WSJ

19:47:10 jurov: http://news.yahoo.com/blackmailers-threaten-czechs-ebola-outbreak-174554506.html

19:47:10 assbot: Blackmailers threaten Czechs with Ebola outbreak - Yahoo News

19:48:16 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

19:48:27 mircea_popescu: "give us ten hot models or else" ?

19:49:22 asciilifeform: !s czech ebola

19:49:23 assbot: 0 results for 'czech ebola' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=czech+ebola

19:49:36 asciilifeform: odd - it was here.

19:50:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00078725 = 6.6129 BTC [-]

19:54:31 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/527436809312419840 << lol win.

19:54:33 assbot: What is the common thread connecting bitcoin WoT fixation, MRAs, PUAs and trolling? It’s quite peculiar how those cluster.

19:54:59 mircea_popescu: scammerboy figures he got himself an angle, does he ?

19:55:29 xanthyos: !UP danielpbarron

19:55:42 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol:thickasthieves still buried - yea, I missed few days and dont think I'm ever gonna get through it -esp with any given link prompting hours+ sidetrack journey <<< you know, after a decade or two it gets better.

19:56:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00078974 = 8.1343 BTC [+]

19:56:56 asciilifeform: thickasthieves: at least read about turdatron.

19:58:15 kakobrekla: reading ze lawgs is a full time jewb.

19:58:34 mircea_popescu: !up Megacosm

19:58:41 Megacosm: :)

19:58:55 BingoBoingo: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/28/wisconsin-police-bring-bearcat-armored-vehicle-property-fine?CMP=fb_gu

19:58:55 assbot: Wisconsin police send armoured vehicle to collect fine from 75-year-old | US news | theguardian.com

19:59:01 Megacosm: Hii

19:59:51 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller mod6 http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=S.QNTR << signed files fixed., ty !

19:59:51 assbot: S.QNTR last @0.00000000

19:59:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00079128 = 19.9007 BTC [+] {3}

20:01:29 mod6: mircea_popescu: cool, np :]

20:02:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4498 @ 0.00079293 = 3.5666 BTC [+]

20:03:49 xanthyos: namtso

20:04:45 Megacosm: Xan :)

20:05:10 danielpbarron: Megacosm, get in the WoT

20:05:43 Megacosm: O.o

20:05:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00079583 = 24.432 BTC [+] {3}

20:07:55 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves incidentally, it occurs to me derpopo strangely omitted "technological expertise", "discoursive domination" and "intellectual superiority" in his list.

20:08:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00079633 = 8.8393 BTC [+]

20:08:09 mircea_popescu: then again i guess the blind man easily forgets to list vision.

20:15:02 xanthyos: Megacosm: join the wot, sell honey to these people for btc, no storefront, no overhead, no income tax

20:15:44 asciilifeform: 132,000+ blocks...

20:17:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, in a day ? that's pretty reasonable.

20:17:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00079638 = 4.5394 BTC [+] {2}

20:20:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hour

20:20:56 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you're syncing the turd ?

20:21:17 asciilifeform: aha, live fire test.

20:21:32 Apocalyptic: the first 100k blocks go like a brease yeah

20:21:34 mircea_popescu: even better.

20:22:12 Megacosm: I need to get hives first xan

20:22:21 Megacosm: One step at a time lol

20:23:06 kakobrekla: you installing those in datacenters?

20:24:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23273 @ 0.00079691 = 18.5465 BTC [+] {2}

20:31:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13886 @ 0.00079849 = 11.0878 BTC [+]

20:33:09 mircea_popescu: gotta love peeps that list "enquiries@" contact emails

20:33:20 mircea_popescu: Esquire Within!

20:34:04 asciilifeform: lintel inside!

20:34:41 mircea_popescu: lmao yeah

20:39:25 ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/charter.html << in the absence of deedbot

20:47:14 thickasthieves: “I’ve been involved in about five standoff situations where, as soon as the MARV showed up, the person gives up,” Bean told the Journal Sentinel.

20:47:34 thickasthieves: yes i will dig into the turdatron and I'm happy about the foundation

20:47:53 thickasthieves: i will also donate when ready

20:48:04 TomServo: MARV also saves money! it's a win-win really.

20:48:24 ben_vulpes: hush you all stop talking about donating

20:48:29 ben_vulpes: that's so entirely not the point

20:48:33 thickasthieves: fuel up the tank boys, we gon save some munny ta-day!

20:48:55 thickasthieves: how is me donating related to any kind of point of it

20:49:00 nubbins`: 52 weeks o' fux

20:49:12 thickasthieves: money is time manifest

20:49:16 nubbins`: where is punkbot!

20:49:22 thickasthieves: i want to give you guys time to do it

20:49:35 thickasthieves: so what?

20:50:03 thickasthieves: really i just wanna have ya'll in my pocket so when usg turns me i have value

20:50:08 nubbins`: heh

20:50:16 nubbins`: i got turned like 5 months ago

20:50:18 nubbins`: it's good money

20:50:27 thickasthieves: hehe

20:50:39 ben_vulpes: ...

20:50:49 ben_vulpes: terrifying.

20:50:55 nubbins`: all i gotta do is ask the occasional probing question and generally fuck with the S/N ratio

20:50:58 thickasthieves: reality bites

20:50:58 nubbins`: easy paycheque

20:51:16 mircea_popescu: ;;ud marv

20:51:17 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=marv | "IT'S MARV" T_T phone call: marv : lets hang out other: eww why? marv: because marv gets lonely and has to do his job other: no marv : what the... bitch. by catttt ...

20:51:33 TomServo: mircea_popescu: the wisconsin article, it's what the call the armored vehicle

20:51:42 mircea_popescu: a

20:52:10 thickasthieves: speaking of which, why is reddit so excited that a longtime SEC chairman is advising bitpay or whomeevr?

20:52:12 nubbins`: misconsin armored retard vehicle

20:52:21 thickasthieves: yay let's be SECified!

20:52:38 mircea_popescu: monkey is excited anytime nobody's beating it to shit.

20:52:38 nubbins`: i'll be excited when daphna a. waxman starts advising someone

20:52:44 thickasthieves: sounds like dream come true for usg

20:52:46 mircea_popescu: two modes of the flux processor. pain and excitement.

20:53:00 thickasthieves: oh SECguy got in, word!

20:53:24 mircea_popescu: maybe they should ask him anything.

20:53:55 nubbins`: <TomServo> any interest? << I'm interested. Will it be another sight unseen deal? <<< probably same as last time, sight-unseen for preorder discount

20:54:13 nubbins`: seemed to work ok last time, nobody complained "hey this poster is a piece of shit" etc

20:54:41 thickasthieves: well thats hard to know tho

20:54:46 thickasthieves: maybe they just didnt buy

20:55:06 nubbins`: no, i mean the people who bought it unseen didn't complain that it sucked

20:55:16 mircea_popescu: he sold out iirc.

20:55:23 thickasthieves: word

20:55:46 nubbins`: yah, 100 posters

20:56:02 mircea_popescu: nubbins` is going to end up immortalised in history like a bug in amber : that one guy that was going to print a book when all hell broke loose.

20:56:33 nubbins`: prolly be a few books about this place before it's all over

20:56:41 mircea_popescu: dioceseofsthelena.com/?mke=Sale-Michael-Kors-Handbags.html << apparently helena is still a total posh slut.

20:57:04 nubbins`: BISHOP RICHARD

20:57:30 thickasthieves: bichard

20:57:41 nubbins`: sounds better in french

20:58:08 nubbins`: so vexual is from iowa, hey?

20:58:22 nubbins`: i mean, i guess.

21:00:17 BingoBoingo: nubbins` is going to have to get a web press before the end of time

21:00:40 nubbins`: eff that

21:00:47 nubbins`: offset is for squares

21:01:13 BingoBoingo: Ah, so the plan is to outsource the luser versions of the books?

21:01:58 nubbins`: nope, book will be 100% produced by me

21:02:14 mircea_popescu: out of wood shavings and glue.

21:02:29 nubbins`: i don't anticipate a huge demand right off the bat, so it'll be best to handle it myself

21:02:38 nubbins`: outsourcing comes with high minimums

21:03:40 thickasthieves: give it a eteched holographic cover and all of reddit will buy one too

21:03:44 thickasthieves: an etched*

21:03:48 BingoBoingo: Sure, but in a decade and a half when people want a textbook for courses...

21:06:05 mircea_popescu: http://robertmouawad.com/ << check out this dude lmao.

21:06:06 assbot: ROBERT MOUAWAD

21:07:04 thickasthieves: jewelers are such scammers

21:08:09 mircea_popescu: but this guy in particular lol. that's like pedosmile**pedosmile

21:09:08 thickasthieves: heh, pro gaming team using .gg as domain, i approve

21:09:23 thickasthieves: http://cloud9.gg/

21:09:24 assbot: Cloud9

21:10:15 nubbins`: BingoBoingo at that point, addison wesley'll be churning them out by the millions, $150ea

21:10:26 nubbins`: ($35ea outside of na/eu)

21:10:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how would they get a license ?

21:10:52 nubbins`: ostensibly they'd do their own version

21:11:13 nubbins`: it's not like i've got a monopoly on transcribing code

21:12:58 mircea_popescu: this code ?

21:13:18 mircea_popescu: what, it's on the interwebs, anyone can come publish it and sell the book ?

21:13:58 mircea_popescu: here's a thought : the sword cuts both ways. the same asinine legal idiocy that can be used to hinder bitcoin exchanges can be used by sovereign bitcoin companies to fuck everyone non-immune in the ass.

21:14:23 mircea_popescu: not like aw is going to move out of the us just so they can derp with bitcoin manual.

21:15:11 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> what, it's on the interwebs, anyone can come publish it and sell the book ? <<< "Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software..."

21:15:31 mircea_popescu: "to make money selling it" ?

21:15:44 nubbins`: uh, yes.

21:16:13 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/bWx1q9q9

21:16:13 assbot: Copyright (c) 2009-2012 Bitcoin Developers Permission is hereby granted, free - Pastebin.com

21:16:35 mircea_popescu: who are these "bitcoin developers" ?

21:16:52 nubbins`: beats me

21:17:06 mircea_popescu: right ? i mean amir also put some sort of disclaimer on whatever random code he "released"

21:17:37 mircea_popescu: sword cuts both ways. law abiding types will be fighing injunctions for twenty years before they can as much as print a fucking page off this log.

21:18:47 nubbins`: well, tell alf to cut COPYING from the book, i guess

21:18:53 mircea_popescu: or in other words, no, bitcoin isn't "open for everyone". bitcoin is open for everyone IN BITCOIN,

21:18:54 nubbins`: i'm just the printer ;D

21:19:04 mircea_popescu: but that does not mean random fiat corp can come by and get rich exploiting it.

21:19:14 bounce: what? it's public, apparenly publicised with the consent of the authors. no judge is going to protect these logs, no matter how much you spend on lawyers.

21:19:27 mircea_popescu: bounce selections are still protected.

21:19:35 mircea_popescu: and the fact that a woman is naked does not give you license to rape her.

21:19:48 mircea_popescu: even should you imagine the place she's naked at is public.

21:20:02 bounce: oh shush. you and your right to rape, eh.

21:20:16 mircea_popescu: published != made public domain.

21:20:20 bounce: those copyright notices, though. do they have written consent from satoshi?

21:20:26 mircea_popescu: nope.

21:20:30 nubbins`: bounce iirc the original versions had satoshi's name

21:20:31 undata: "his property was just sitting there, unguarded by razor wire!"

21:20:36 mircea_popescu: ^

21:20:52 nubbins`: anyone with a 0.1 bundle able to confirm?

21:20:57 mircea_popescu: that what ?

21:21:11 mircea_popescu: "satoshi's name" ? what, and we've been looking for a name all these years because nobody read the code ?

21:21:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00080566 = 14.7436 BTC [+]

21:21:12 nubbins`: Copyright (c) 2009 Satoshi Nakamoto in COPYING

21:21:14 mircea_popescu: it was right there ?

21:22:49 bounce: he's not available to contest it and then you get into who has standing? (favourite usg tactic too. yes yes that's highly illegal, but nobody with standing to contest it.)

21:22:59 mircea_popescu: all the actual merits discussion aside, experience shows that a judge will protect literally anything, just gotta find the right judge.

21:23:16 mircea_popescu: bounce you make a claim, they make a claim. it goes to trial. sometime.

21:23:26 mircea_popescu: when it's done you make another claim. on it goes.

21:23:45 bounce: if you have the money and time to keep on litigating

21:24:02 undata: on the bitcoin side I'd rather these things were handled by reputation destruction

21:24:09 undata: than having some judge involved

21:24:14 mircea_popescu: maybe the public splaying of assholes like addison wesley is worth a dime off my pocet.

21:24:27 mircea_popescu: and there's a foundation now, too.

21:24:42 jurov: asciilifeform: mailman will display gpg clearsigned attachment inline if you rename it to .txt (and i don't ned to diddle code then)

21:25:27 undata: I've always liked exile as a form of punishment.

21:25:51 nubbins`: i don't understand

21:26:40 jurov: nubbins`: who? me?

21:26:43 nubbins`: mp

21:26:52 nubbins`: you're saying replace the existing license with a new one, and then sue people who violate the new license? o.O

21:27:17 mircea_popescu: nope.

21:27:23 undata: presumably there will be new code with the rewrite

21:27:40 nubbins`: undata, sure, but the old code is still covered by its original license

21:27:42 mircea_popescu: im saying, it's extremely unlikely any of the dead trees publishers will come compete with you, because their legal dept won't let them.

21:27:52 mircea_popescu: and if their legal dept drops the ball, all the better, carnage.

21:27:53 nubbins`: well why not just say that ;/

21:28:02 undata: nubbins`: hm, what if all the old code is replaced?

21:28:06 mircea_popescu: because i like circumlocution, it's instructive to the audience.

21:28:21 nubbins`: undata then there's no problem. just ask the GNU team

21:28:28 mircea_popescu: lol

21:28:30 nubbins`: :D

21:28:40 cazalla: mircea_popescu: and the fact that a woman is naked does not give you license to rape her. <<< sounds like teach men not to rape, don't tell women what to wear, andreas would be proud

21:28:51 mircea_popescu: cazalla the law's the law yo.

21:29:07 undata: mircea_popescu: I'm interested in your thoughts on the reputation destruction / exile angle.

21:29:09 mircea_popescu: you and i might not give a shit, but all these fiat dorks have no choice and no option.

21:29:13 undata: vs traditional law enforcement

21:29:17 mircea_popescu: undata exile of who ? they're not even in the wot.

21:29:18 cazalla: i would guess most rapists would prefer the woman dressed to begin with anyway

21:29:42 mircea_popescu: cazalla yes. most rapists aren't interested in women that enjoy fucking in public.

21:29:46 cazalla: christmas is no fun if your present is not wrapped

21:30:00 undata: mircea_popescu: in the future, should BTC engulf the old thing, I could see that being a requirement

21:30:18 undata: and I could see being left outside being a pretty terrible disincentive

21:30:25 mircea_popescu: well, prerequistie more than requirement.

21:30:59 undata: say X steals your content, you're well known/liked/etc

21:31:10 undata: there's a backlash and he receives negative ratings from many

21:31:34 mircea_popescu: http://rinamusic.com/ < was anyone looking for a singer ?

21:31:35 assbot: RINA MIRANDA

21:31:36 undata: the guy is marked for life

21:31:50 mircea_popescu: !s to take her back

21:31:50 assbot: 4 results for 'to take her back' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=to+take+her+back

21:32:01 mircea_popescu: my content is like my sluts : more expensive to steal than to rent.

21:32:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#881342 << this is the link i wanted.

21:32:47 assbot: Logged on 17-10-2014 23:29:04; mircea_popescu: you know the story about how they kidnapped that chick, sent a ransom note,

21:33:27 undata: mircea_popescu: one could imagine further that a system of contracts among those operating the most important parts of the economy might prevent them from dealing with the "marked"

21:34:12 mircea_popescu: maybe.

21:34:25 mircea_popescu: this is one of the least understood parts, how all this will work.

21:35:16 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RHFFeQ2tu4

21:35:17 assbot: Fever The Ghost - SOURCE (official music video) - YouTube

21:40:02 []bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/713/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 58.81502285 BTC. Current weight: 14,723.

21:41:19 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/dBbNKqj.png << chrome

21:41:39 kakobrekla: you trying to say it pays too much?

21:42:00 undata: ben_vulpes: good jams

21:42:56 ben_vulpes: watch that video tho

21:43:20 ben_vulpes: felix colgrave would be a neat choice for btc comix

21:43:24 ben_vulpes: animations

21:43:27 ben_vulpes: who knows

21:43:37 mircea_popescu: dja know him ?

21:44:03 kakobrekla: ben_vulpes cant reproduce, do you know whats the problem or fix ?

21:45:37 undata: ben_vulpes: like, woah.

21:46:45 assbot: jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

21:47:01 mircea_popescu: !up jborkl_

21:47:14 jborkl_: hello all

21:48:54 jborkl_: I am finally done with the website. I have fixed all my known errors, except the grammer :/ Those will never be fixed

21:50:04 kakobrekla: now you can start working for qntra ><

21:50:20 jborkl_: it would be easy now. I know what to do

21:50:49 jborkl_: I even got it down to one w3tc error. I have to leave one just for the hell of it

21:51:31 undata: jborkl_: what website?

21:51:40 jborkl_: bcoinnews

21:53:43 jborkl_: getting into google news is the last part, but I have done everything needed so it should be smooth

21:53:49 mircea_popescu: !up ttnews_

21:54:11 jborkl_: Mircea, how is Argentina treating you?

21:54:28 mircea_popescu: pretty good actually.

21:54:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00081054 = 15.9676 BTC [+] {2}

21:55:30 jborkl_: excellent, picking up the language pretty easy?

21:55:40 mircea_popescu: i was fluent in spanish before coming.

21:55:55 jborkl_: so just the local dialect

21:56:09 mircea_popescu: not that distant. they just mispronounce some things.

21:59:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14036 @ 0.00080404 = 11.2855 BTC [-] {3}

21:59:56 adlai: https://eprint.iacr.org/2011/207.pdf <- why isn't this called POO

22:00:13 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: seen his stuff before.

22:00:40 ben_vulpes: not acquainted in person.

22:00:46 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: no idea.

22:00:55 ben_vulpes: HAVE A USELESS BUG REPORT BRO

22:00:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ah in that sense. what i mean is, there's plenty of talent out there. whether the talent is in the wot or not about 1000x as much as a factor as how good stuff they got in their portofolio

22:01:26 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ah, i see. well, i enjoy his animations but my taste may not align with anyone else's.

22:01:41 mircea_popescu: this is the time when mediocre artists get to become stars, simply for moving faster than the average "talented" idiot.

22:01:47 mircea_popescu: exactly like picasso did, back in his day.

22:02:01 ben_vulpes: undata, mircea_popescu: more felix colgrave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUR09yRHZU

22:02:01 assbot: The Elephant's Garden - YouTube

22:02:17 mircea_popescu: nobody remembers godward today ( http://fraudsters.com/2010/lumea-nu-i-de-ajuns/ )

22:02:17 assbot: Lumea nu-i de-ajuns pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:02:36 mircea_popescu: much more talented, but... who cares. so he killed himself because picasso was way ahead.

22:03:48 ben_vulpes: for some reason i think asciilifeform would like the above linked video too

22:07:19 ttnews_: any guess as to how low bitcoin will go?

22:07:31 los_pantalones: $1

22:07:32 ben_vulpes: assets is now on a hallutropic interlude ttnews_

22:07:39 ben_vulpes: they'll be right back.

22:07:55 undata: liked it.

22:08:06 adlai: ttnews_: bitcoin clearly doesn't have a single price yet, so on which market are you wondering?

22:08:07 undata: ben_vulpes: you may enjoy the game Machinarium

22:08:44 undata: "Amanita Design" created it

22:09:33 ttnews_: I'm a newb made a big mistake and longed at 348. I read a website claiming it could go to 320 or as low as 280. I don't wanna panic but then again i get the feeling like i should cut my losses then short it since the stock market did crappy

22:10:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00081021 = 12.0721 BTC [+]

22:10:06 mircea_popescu: ttnews_ noobs have no business playing speculator with their consumer savings.

22:10:23 mircea_popescu: reduce your holdings to something comensurate with your means and go read up on bitcoin.

22:10:34 los_pantalones: ^

22:12:34 ttnews_: is there any way i can salvage the dmg caused so far. I lose everything at $321 but I'm thinking it could bounce back and rise? fml...

22:12:47 ben_vulpes: ttnews_: time heals all wounds.

22:13:29 ttnews_: ty ben.

22:13:47 los_pantalones: you lose everything? don't quite understand that

22:13:55 mike_c: margin!

22:13:59 los_pantalones: oh christ

22:14:00 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones he probably bought who knows what overleveraged nonsense

22:14:03 mircea_popescu: binary options, what have you

22:14:21 los_pantalones: lose it and sail quietly into the dusk

22:14:42 mircea_popescu: ask your wife/gf/so to give you 100 lashes to the bare buttocks while at it.

22:14:52 los_pantalones: NO! he might want that

22:15:00 mircea_popescu: lol

22:15:25 mircea_popescu: you know the one where two traditional parents find some pretty heavy bdsm porny magazines in junior's room ?

22:15:43 los_pantalones: n

22:15:55 ttnews_: yea margin - i'm a sucker

22:16:01 mircea_popescu: cue to them sitting pensively around the kitchen table. after a while, wife : "i think we shouldn't punish him..."

22:16:21 los_pantalones: haha

22:16:31 los_pantalones: ttnews_ why would you trade something that drifts 5% overnight

22:16:32 los_pantalones: on margin

22:16:49 los_pantalones: also, you understand this selloff is specifically targeted to squeeze ppl like you out of the market?

22:16:51 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones i guess you misses that one time when it went 400% in two hours.

22:16:52 los_pantalones: and bitpay

22:18:09 ttnews_: yes - short squeeze.. i'm learning the terms. another term i'm very knowledgable on: murphy's law

22:18:43 mircea_popescu: how old are you anyway ?

22:18:44 los_pantalones: mircea, don't kill him, please, enough carnage for one night

22:18:52 ttnews_: 34

22:18:56 los_pantalones: STOP

22:19:01 los_pantalones: you sound 14

22:19:31 undata: "I've never shot a gun before. I got this AR15; now my feet are gone. Guys, what do I do?"

22:19:48 los_pantalones: got any bullets left ?

22:19:53 undata: los_pantalones: just one

22:19:58 los_pantalones: you know what to do

22:20:05 undata: aye captain

22:20:38 undata: even on /r/bitcoin there have been numerous, NUMEROUS horror stories about this.

22:20:52 undata: the solution is to never gamble again.

22:20:54 undata: solved.

22:21:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00081021 = 1.7014 BTC [+]

22:21:40 ttnews_: i got the charts right just panicked like a newb - if I were a little more patient I'd be doing great now...

22:22:07 ben_vulpes: what is this, torture hour in -assets?

22:22:13 ttnews_: lol

22:22:27 los_pantalones: CHARTS!

22:22:29 los_pantalones: and with that

22:22:30 los_pantalones: i'm out

22:22:30 ben_vulpes: roast the poor squeezed longs in the forum as an example.

22:22:32 los_pantalones: night boys

22:22:33 Apocalyptic: "if I were a little more patient I'd be doing great now..." // the noob fallacy, as it there was a way to perfectly time the bottom

22:22:37 mircea_popescu: he got the charts right lol

22:22:37 ben_vulpes: adios los_pantalones

22:22:38 Apocalyptic: *as if

22:22:53 undata: ben_vulpes: is that an invitation?

22:22:55 undata: haha

22:23:09 Apocalyptic: mircea, but it's TA ! it must be working

22:23:10 ttnews_: go for it, i deserve it

22:23:16 ben_vulpes: undata: it's the forum, you can speak, you don't need any permission from me.

22:23:24 undata: ben_vulpes: you said "goodbye pants"

22:23:26 ben_vulpes: my position on trading's an open secret.

22:23:42 ben_vulpes: oh ho ho you funny man.

22:24:02 ben_vulpes: hey mircea_popescu you doing any of this? http://www.openhousebsas.org/

22:24:03 assbot: 48h Open House Buenos Aires

22:24:35 mircea_popescu: l.o.l.

22:24:36 mircea_popescu: no.

22:28:56 ben_vulpes: salud, bitstein

22:29:04 bitstein: howdy

22:29:08 ben_vulpes: ca va?

22:29:22 bitstein: Good. Yourself?

22:29:56 nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/dBbNKqj.png << chrome <<< same happens here

22:30:27 jurov: ;;ticker

22:30:28 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 336.34, Best ask: 336.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 336.34, 24 hour volume: 12803.75420714, 24 hour low: 336.01, 24 hour high: 357.45, 24 hour vwap: 345.185687843

22:30:54 nubbins`: kakobrekla: add a <br/> after <div class="calcInputLine">...</div>

22:31:08 nubbins`: just before the first <span class="calcResult">

22:32:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00080299 = 17.8264 BTC [-] {2}

22:36:12 thestringpuller: bitstein I hung out with you're buddy Pierre_Rochard last week. Cool dude.

22:36:16 thestringpuller: your*

22:36:23 ben_vulpes: ;;ident bitstein

22:36:24 gribble: Nick 'bitstein', with hostmask 'bitstein!~bitstein@cpe-72-182-53-175.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'bitstein', with GPG key id 1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, key fingerprint 2CEA814804FCF14D9C1AE8EA1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, and bitcoin address None

22:36:36 Pierre_Rochard: ;;ident thestringpuller

22:36:36 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

22:36:37 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust Pierre_Rochard

22:36:37 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Pierre@c-98-251-108-249.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014

22:36:43 Pierre_Rochard: ;;gettrust thestringpuller

22:36:43 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user Pierre_Rochard to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Pierre_Rochard&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012

22:37:07 bitstein: thestringpuller: I heard good things.

22:37:31 BingoBoingo: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2014/10/29/10568120.aspx

22:37:32 assbot: The contents of the Start page are not programmatically accessible - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

22:37:48 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate thestringpuller 2 “lives in atl, didn’t scam me”

22:37:49 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.

22:38:37 BingoBoingo: !up long-day

22:38:47 BingoBoingo: !up doomtoshi

22:39:27 long-day: ty Bingo

22:39:31 thestringpuller: ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 met in real life. can confirm is real person.

22:39:33 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded.

22:40:34 ben_vulpes: dafuq is a real person.

22:41:07 bounce: a bezzler? like fiat money is supposedly "real" money?

22:41:41 *: bounce grapples with the concept

22:42:42 long-day: exactly - it's not which why I don't see how most can't see that it's great that bitcoin is giving the fiat $ competition

22:43:48 mircea_popescu: that didn't parse.

22:44:09 thestringpuller: !s punkbot

22:44:10 assbot: 40 results for 'punkbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=punkbot

22:44:38 Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: the opposite of gribble, not a bot. Generous on thestringpuller’s part, I’m probably somewhere in between a bot and a real person

22:46:01 long-day: this is ttnews by the way-- i'm a journalist and my wish is to learn this and to promote it on my news network/podcast/websites/facebook pages. I know this is the future and I've got quite a large reach so I know I can do a lot of good. I'm obviously desperate coming on here. And I take it trading margin on bitfinix is not suggested by you guys... and I didn't put all my eggs in one basket but I do learn from my mistakes and

22:46:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17314 @ 0.00080149 = 13.877 BTC [-]

22:46:59 mircea_popescu: specifically what network ?

22:47:23 ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: well by that token we're all "real people"

22:47:37 ben_vulpes: 'cept mebbe long-lost right here as he ain't got a key to speak of.

22:47:43 long-day: I'm embarassed as it is which is why I'm anonymous right now.

22:48:02 mircea_popescu: real keypeople!

22:48:13 ben_vulpes: probably the best thing you could do is enter at this low point and then demonstrate the abilit to learn, long-day.

22:48:17 mircea_popescu: !s bitfinex

22:48:18 assbot: 303 results for 'bitfinex' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitfinex

22:48:41 bounce: what's with the desperation?

22:48:50 mircea_popescu: yeah ben_vulpes has it. there's excellent reason why i ask girls to camwhumiliate themselves. best starting point is utter shame.

22:50:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00079669 = 5.4175 BTC [-]

22:50:53 asciilifeform: best starting point is utter shame << lol! how, then, to shame the already shamed?

22:51:04 long-day: some of the fb pages I manage are "end the fed" and "jesse ventura 2016" about a dozen more. My gf's reach is crazy (about 16-26 million people a week). Idk why I'm desperate.. maybe because my dad failed at the stock market and and I don't like him very much...

22:51:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why they got a problem. shat all over their entry point.

22:51:33 long-day: because I wanna buy my mom a new roof for her house and take care of her.

22:51:36 ben_vulpes: that burning feeling of imitating thy fathers failures.

22:51:40 bounce: yay fibbing

22:51:43 BingoBoingo: long-day: The last serious market, MPEx, pulled out of BTC Options after the Putocolypse.

22:52:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google jesse ventura

22:52:05 gribble: Jesse Ventura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura; Off The Grid - Ora.Tv: http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid; Jesse Ventura - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/VenturaOffGrid

22:52:29 mircea_popescu: James George Janos (born July 15, 1951), better known by his stage name, Jesse Ventura, is an American politician, actor, author, naval veteran, and former professional wrestler who served as the 38th Governor of Minnesota from 1999 to 2003.

22:52:40 mircea_popescu: o.O. the endless variety of us peoples, or how did that quote go.

22:52:58 bounce: the website is at peopleofwalmart.com

22:53:04 long-day: alright, I will be googling most of what you said word by word so I better understand what you mean. I appreciate it.

22:53:26 bounce: promises, promises. good thing the logs are patient. and usually there, too.

22:53:57 BingoBoingo: There's also a log of the logs if the logs go down

22:54:15 mircea_popescu: long-day how do you figure a facebook page has any reach, and how do you quantify it to 20mn people a week ?

22:54:39 bounce: it's the network effect, see?

22:54:56 long-day: my pages don't have that huge of a reach but my gf is cofounder of some big organizations and is admin on about 30 pages, half of which have about half a million subscribers each

22:55:25 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 15 * .5

22:55:25 gribble: 7.5

22:55:26 long-day: my pages only have 50-70k people subscribed on each.

22:55:28 punkman: Useful GPG stuff: https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair

22:55:28 assbot: coruus/cooperpair · GitHub

22:55:40 mircea_popescu: course, facebook subscribers != people, and facebook subscribers != weekly.

22:55:44 punkman: also PSA: don't use keyids in contracts, go for fingerprint

22:55:55 asciilifeform: gotta love modern spamatronic engineering terms like 'efficiency', 'reach.' they take arguments! but somehow always implicit - you can say 'reach' without saying 'reach what' ??! it's as if we were writing perl.

22:55:59 mircea_popescu: punkman standard mpex practice too.

22:56:20 mircea_popescu: "it's as if we were writing perl." << bwahhaha

22:56:35 punkman: good default for your gpg config https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/blob/master/saneprefs/gpg.conf

22:56:36 assbot: cooperpair/gpg.conf at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub

22:56:49 mircea_popescu: the problem is you russian folk can't say the woman had tea without specifying if she was sitting down and how hot was it!

22:57:04 asciilifeform: l0l

22:57:27 asciilifeform: and without saying, with what orifice she imbibed!

22:57:28 long-day: well... 20 million people reached a week just means 20 million people total scroll past her posts on her feeds - doesn't necessarily mean they all click on her posts :-/ but if the blog/video is good enough and she posts it, it will go viral

22:58:04 BingoBoingo: Shame I'll never see any of them since I ended Facebook.

22:58:13 long-day: I don't blame ya

22:58:17 mircea_popescu: long-day what's "go viral" mean ?

22:58:29 ben_vulpes: long-day: doesn't mean either that any of those posts make it into the feed.

22:58:33 BingoBoingo: Obola?

22:58:43 ben_vulpes: the feed is a facebook curated thing - not something anyone outside of their revenue extraction machine has any say in.

22:59:01 long-day: in our field (activism) viral is considered 100k people on a youtube video I suppose? If we were posting stuff about kittens it would get 2 million people.

22:59:21 asciilifeform: aha. to burn like forest fire among barbarous primitives, and slowly worm into civilized world in onesie-twosie cases, to flare up one day in apocalyptic pandemic ?

22:59:25 asciilifeform: or some other 'viral'

22:59:44 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2YNERN7.txt )

22:59:44 BingoBoingo: !b 2

22:59:44 asciilifeform: same idea here. word takes arguments - none given.

22:59:52 mircea_popescu: long-day 100k youtube views cost like 20 bux or so iirc.

23:00:23 asciilifeform: at mr. spam's shop o'spambots? or using actual meat

23:00:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the former.

23:00:29 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> long-day 100k youtube views cost like 20 bux or so iirc. << Basically this is the thing that pays for decent streaming tv

23:01:04 BingoBoingo: No, they actually seem to do the later. Insert video to be viewed before video people want to view.

23:01:09 long-day: actually there are ways to cheat the algorithims. every time you like your own post or a comment that someone made on your post or if you reply to a comment, it refreshes and shows up on all the subscribers feeds again (if they are on FB at that moment in time). She's made an ebook on how to get your posts seen and is gonna sell it in the next month (she's great at that crap)

23:01:23 mircea_popescu: long-day you have to meet the power of scripts.

23:01:32 asciilifeform: ebook... sell << wat

23:01:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how the world [of the morlocks] works.

23:02:04 asciilifeform: lolmorcks.

23:02:13 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:02:21 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 336.03, vol: 13187.80136019 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 332.193, vol: 6104.66616 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 335.37, vol: 25358.92116491 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 336.135832, vol: 78274.23490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 335.06565, vol: 8.87321215 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 341.226, vol: 65.37761087 | Volume-weighted last average: 335.773532844

23:02:36 BingoBoingo: Oh, BTC not crashing as much as retail gasoline.

23:02:50 ben_vulpes: morelols

23:03:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a fun tidbit : idiot with synflood actually used a bunch of websites to do it. so after some scriptage i'm emailing the owners to fix their bs. i had to throtle it because .. too many replies.

23:03:25 asciilifeform: and, unrelated, whoever was asking about chain-fork alarm, that's still in the turd. the thing that was nixed was the gavintron.

23:03:32 mircea_popescu: i could start a web security business just out of the fallout of that one failed ddos.

23:03:43 mircea_popescu: and this of course would be round 2, because wordpress before that, you recall.

23:03:49 asciilifeform: lol! replies from humans?

23:03:52 mircea_popescu: yup.

23:04:13 mircea_popescu: i've not had so many apologies / minute in my life.

23:04:35 bounce: like this guy in -otc, set up a cheap shop full of "coders" in pakistan, had them churn out cookie-cutter "apps" with other people's content, dump on the app store, make five bucks each, sell a million before people catch on his 35k apps on the store are all crap. -- he's a real s/w house, yo.

23:04:38 long-day: all you do is post to the fanpage, wait 30 min, then like the post, wait 30 more min, like a comment (if someone has commented), 30 min later reply to their comment etc... paying 20 dollars for 100k youtube views is impossible. one of my youtube channels is partnered so it gets twice the adsense payout,. they pay 3-5 dollars per thousand views. 100k views on a video would make me about 400 dollars and 3 times that from the b

23:04:52 bounce: so, we gots us a real publisher on our hands, yo.

23:05:14 mircea_popescu: bounce this sadly passes for "business" and "entrepreneurship" in a world populated by imbeciles running on fumes of "fairness" and "social justice"

23:05:21 asciilifeform: bounce: set up a cheap shop full of "coders" in pakistan, had them churn out cookie-cutter "apps" with other people's content << lemme guess, lost out competition to the fellow with same stolen appz, but plus malware

23:06:07 mircea_popescu: sounds about right.

23:06:10 bounce: nah, got kicked out. 'cuz what hot new shop fresh on the scene can possibly produce thousands of quality apps?

23:06:40 asciilifeform: !s cheaper books

23:06:40 assbot: 4 results for 'cheaper books' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cheaper+books

23:06:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#532023

23:06:53 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 06:23:40; asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'

23:07:12 mircea_popescu: well it is an inspiration

23:07:19 mircea_popescu: mocking you can account for endless hours of amusement

23:07:29 bounce: oh and too many complaints triggered it. but anyway.

23:07:41 asciilifeform: mocking one idiot who shits his pants - sure. until they all shit and the world is buried.

23:07:45 jurov: long-day: you know there's a search for bitbet affiliate manager?

23:08:26 mircea_popescu: ah that's a point. jurov you also doing coinbr aff ?

23:08:45 jurov: yes coinbr does it too (there's nothing intereesting for chumps, tho)

23:09:08 jurov: !up long-day

23:09:21 jurov: oh and coinroll too on individual basis

23:09:29 jurov: since yesterday or so ;)

23:10:03 mircea_popescu: lol. so there you go long-day, you can make a fortune affing for bitcoin sites.

23:10:34 long-day: I know basically nothing when it comes to this. I've been awake for more than 36 hours straight trying to learn though. And many hours over the last week on top of that. When it comes video editing, marketing, writing blogs, networking and getting access to good interviews I know my stuff... Bitcoin I know very little though. I want to know though. A year ago at Porcfest is when I learned about it. I've interviewed nearly ev

23:10:44 asciilifeform: re: 'affing' -

23:10:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform affiliate-ing.

23:11:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00079637 = 9.3175 BTC [-] {2}

23:11:07 *: asciilifeform when addressing colleagues, often prefixes useful tips with 'when we take up spam...'

23:11:22 mircea_popescu: you know how everywhere in the civilised world (so therefore, not in the US, excepot for vegas) shops employ young'uns to sit outside and invite people in ?

23:11:24 mircea_popescu: that, but online.

23:11:27 *: asciilifeform studied the life and times of spammers and related fauna professionally for a while

23:11:34 mircea_popescu: aok

23:11:37 bounce: ;;translate german english affe

23:11:38 gribble: Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2. See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.

23:12:09 BingoBoingo: long-day: Do you know danielpbarron

23:12:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no lol, he's interviewed nearly everyone who pretends to be involved with btc without actually being involved :D it's how this usually works.

23:12:44 long-day: The activist community LOVES bitcoin bigtime... the two leading female promoters of bitcoin i'm friends with, but they don't know anything about trading.

23:13:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was going off of the porcfest name drop

23:13:14 mircea_popescu: long-day who ?

23:13:19 mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to be specific.

23:13:49 long-day: he's not very familiar

23:14:33 long-day: it's too small a world to start naming names. I'm certain there are people reading this who are friends with them

23:15:10 bounce: so get'em both in here and have'em introduce themselves

23:15:21 jurov: "you mentioned my name on bitcoin-assets! how dare you!!!!11"

23:16:02 long-day: well... all the stuff I told you guys are trade secrets and the fact that I'm doing horribly with the trading so far is just embarassing

23:16:14 mats_cd03: lol

23:16:23 mircea_popescu: "it's too small a world to start naming names" << this made exactly zero chance.

23:16:33 bounce: so your trade secrets are horrible. what're you, a walking shop of horrors?

23:16:37 mircea_popescu: as a rule of thumb, if you keep doing this vague bs you'll end up on everyone's shitlist.

23:16:54 mircea_popescu: i imagine you don't really want that, so, be specific, go into detail, that's how people evaluate you.

23:17:03 long-day: I kinda look like a dumbass right now, I'm aware of that and would rather contain it.

23:17:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: have you spoken with chetty today?

23:17:27 kakobrekla: imma help you contain in

23:17:27 bounce: there's a easy fix for that. hit the sack.

23:17:30 kakobrekla: !down long-day

23:17:41 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller earlier. her net's shitty i gather.

23:17:53 thestringpuller: kk. i'll just later tell. thanks.

23:18:40 nubbins`: http://www.salon.com/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_is_my_friend_and_jian_ghomeshi_beats_women/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

23:18:40 assbot: “Jian Ghomeshi is my friend, and Jian Ghomeshi beats women” - Salon.com

23:18:44 mats_cd03: did it ever come out how ulbricht got owned re: ID forgeries?

23:19:25 BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: To my knowledge it seems the entire ID forgery business is pretty much a USG monopoly

23:19:30 mircea_popescu: ^

23:19:53 mircea_popescu: mostly run as a cheap way to find people who think they should be prosecuted.

23:20:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` can i has summary ? salon not rly worth a click

23:21:59 nubbins`: very popular canadian media personality beat the shit outta a bunch of women, his friend who happens to be a world-renowned composer wrote a frank essay on the subject, essay is now apparently a media item in itself

23:23:27 mircea_popescu: consensual or just off da street ?

23:23:41 bounce: I see mostly repeats about how three anonymous women got hit. nothing about context, intensity, duration, whatever. couldabeen a slap. so, I see mostly words that paint broad strokes at maximum contrast, with no grounding.

23:24:00 mats_cd03: i am always confused when i read these things

23:24:11 mats_cd03: people need to be specific. sexual assault, or sexual battery?!

23:24:36 asciilifeform: sexual embezzlement.

23:24:54 asciilifeform: sexual tax evasion...

23:24:58 mircea_popescu: bounce that'd be salon.

23:25:00 jurov: lol what's that? fake orgasms?

23:25:02 bounce: this "nobody believes women!!1!" when the more important bit is that they're remaining anonymous (beyond the poor reader, to whom, exactly?). this annoys me.

23:25:25 mircea_popescu: "nobody believes anonymous claims!!11" o noes lmao.

23:25:37 mircea_popescu: "we told this one guy who we were!"

23:25:45 mircea_popescu: "he's a judge, judges never lie". etc.

23:26:27 bounce: then there's this ``Katie McDonough is Salon's politics writer, focusing on gender, sexuality and reproductive justice.'' -- busily dressing up the thing with seemingly relevant and respectably looking numbers that really aren't meaningful to the problems in the piece.

23:27:33 mircea_popescu: wait wait. "reproductive justice" ?

23:27:46 bounce: "thou shalt not reproduce!" -- if only

23:27:51 mircea_popescu: "he's our junior high math teacher, focusing on c++ strings implementation"

23:27:53 mircea_popescu: very math.

23:28:35 mircea_popescu: katie mcdonough is salon's timewasting chatterbox. they need someone to actually do politics writing.

23:28:36 bounce: like socialist class warfare, only across gender lines

23:28:41 mircea_popescu: yaya.

23:29:03 mircea_popescu: across gender lines and against the wall of "nobody gives a shit"

23:29:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.00079829 = 3.8805 BTC [+]

23:29:34 bounce: about as productive. seeing how labour ends up importing pathetic chumps from elsewhere to keep access to a large pool of repressed lowlifes to represent.

23:30:08 mircea_popescu: wait i thought it was the evil fatcat capitalists that keep importing cheap spooks to keep the local spooks down

23:30:46 bounce: that's the yoosah. in yurp it was labour gov'ts doing the importing, in the 70s and such.

23:31:43 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> consensual or just off da street ? <<< my understanding is that (some of) the women consented to a bit of kink, but then guy starts punching in head/mouth, choking to point of unconsciousness, etc

23:31:54 mircea_popescu: oh

23:32:05 nubbins`: another was a co-worker who got her ass grabbed and "i wanna hate-fuck you" whispered in ear during a meeting

23:32:05 nubbins`: etc

23:32:27 mircea_popescu: so guy kinda losing it, is the idea ?

23:32:31 nubbins`: but as for the sexual encounters, seems like they signed up for consensual kink but messy gomeshi took this as carte blanche

23:32:33 nubbins`: yeah

23:32:47 nubbins`: now he's suing the cbc for $50m (lel), hired a PR firm, etc etc

23:33:13 mircea_popescu: doing it like it's done.

23:33:37 nubbins`: more like "disguising outright abuse / sociopathic behaviour as BDSM/kink" than "losing it" i guess

23:33:48 mircea_popescu: i wonder if the fucktard "justice" warriors realise that their constant if innefectual nipping at the heels means that anyone involved who can afford it will in fact spend the money and clobber everyone in range.

23:34:06 mircea_popescu: pretty much the direct equivalent of the "tough on rape" laws that simply made sure every rape victim will ALSO be a homicide victim

23:34:12 nubbins`: well the lel is that he was in a union, he can't sue the cbc for $50m

23:34:14 mircea_popescu: great victory.

23:34:24 nubbins`: it'll get pushed to a union grievance

23:34:37 nubbins`: but it *does* allow him to file a bunch of paperwork and get his version of events on the public record

23:34:39 mircea_popescu: depends how the papers are writ.

23:34:41 nubbins`: so... shrug

23:35:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: made sure every rape victim will ALSO be a homicide victim << see also related, the (alleged) decision to quietly shoot '2nd snowden' instead of public scandal

23:35:04 mircea_popescu: not all management gets this "union only" sort of coverage.

23:35:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess, yeah. not clear what was there.

23:35:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3rd snowden is then, logically, invited to 'go wasp'

23:35:40 bounce: who's the support?

23:35:46 asciilifeform: 'may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb'

23:35:59 nubbins`: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/28/jian_ghomeshi_cbc_releases_memo_citing_claim_of_impropriety.html

23:36:00 assbot: Jian Ghomeshi: CBC releases memo citing ‘claim of impropriety’ | Toronto Star

23:36:30 nubbins`: ^ the star has been hitting it outta the park as far as canadian investigative journo goes these past couple years

23:36:40 nubbins`: you may recall they broke the rob ford crack tape story

23:41:06 ben_vulpes: <long-day> The activist community LOVES bitcoin bigtime... the two leading female promoters of bitcoin i'm friends with, but they don't know anything about trading. << and what does trading have to do with bitcoin?

23:41:15 ben_vulpes: heh and lemme guess

23:41:17 ben_vulpes: bitcoingirl

23:41:19 ben_vulpes: bitcoinbabe

23:41:23 ben_vulpes: bitcoinmom

23:41:24 ben_vulpes: bitcoinwife

23:41:33 ben_vulpes: bitcoinho

23:41:38 ben_vulpes: bitcunt

23:41:40 hanbot: lol

23:41:44 ben_vulpes: bitbimbo

23:41:51 ben_vulpes: but not angiecast

23:41:55 assbot: Last 14 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11M9ANK.txt )

23:41:55 hanbot: !b 14

23:42:03 nubbins`: i think bitcoinwife is taken

23:42:14 ben_vulpes: yeah gotta mix in some truth with it

23:42:36 ben_vulpes: otherwise the phenom's just to clearly retarded to be even slightly amusing

23:42:38 asciilifeform: 'two gurlz, one coin'

23:42:58 hanbot: $400? definitely two.

23:43:05 nubbins`: 2 girls 1 private key

23:43:10 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1QR4WZK.txt )

23:43:10 asciilifeform: !b 1

23:43:13 ben_vulpes: yup.

23:43:16 ben_vulpes: wd all.

23:44:13 *: ben_vulpes goes back to encrypting keys that google insists be shared

23:44:58 asciilifeform: when do we get the next irigaray and a very scholarly treatise on how ecdsa privileges some curves over others

23:45:51 *: asciilifeform can feel himself getting stupider just from thinking about this

23:46:39 Pvt_Key: if you feel a stupid you did not make that stupid.

23:47:45 ben_vulpes: <Pvt_Key> if you feel a stupid you did not make that stupid. << who is pranking me now

23:47:57 ben_vulpes: p great handle btw

23:48:08 Pvt_Key: you can be sgt Key

23:48:21 ben_vulpes: i think i'd rather be a general key

23:48:26 ben_vulpes: or skeleton_key

23:48:36 asciilifeform: corporal key.

23:48:42 asciilifeform: (double meaning intentional.)

23:48:57 ben_vulpes: yes yes.

23:49:05 Pvt_Key: /nick whiskey

23:49:13 ben_vulpes: quite.

23:54:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, jurov: do we have a mergemaster/maintainer? or am i still stuck with it

23:54:46 asciilifeform: regardless of who, we need an unofficial snapshot on that www

23:55:08 asciilifeform: (unofficial because the only official is the original - hashed - 0.5.3 with crunch of all the signed patches)

23:56:22 nubbins`: http://daniellebailey.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-the-ship

23:56:24 assbot: Live at the Ship | Danielle Bailey

23:57:41 mircea_popescu: lmao Pvt_Key

23:57:56 mircea_popescu: dude, i walk away for a minute, everyone;'s on a roll lol