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00:01:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.100001 = 2.3 BTC [+] {2}

00:02:03 adlai: candles in the mpex charts change color!

00:47:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 944 @ 0.00124997 = 1.18 BTC [-]

00:51:15 adlai: http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.MPOE 2nd from right is some sorta green reverse gravestone doji, but earlier it was red and bleeding

00:51:16 assbot: S.MPOE last 47300@0.00036599 ... ( http://bit.ly/1pxxdm8 )

00:52:14 adlai: there should be a timelapse gif of these "sliding window" candle charts

00:52:36 adlai: with overlays of all the possible nonsense generated by overfatted TA

00:55:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1625 @ 0.00124999 = 2.0312 BTC [+]

01:11:22 cazalla: adlai, turns out that @moneybookers account has nothing to do with them, they rebranded as skrill and someone is squatting the old name

01:11:38 adlai: aha

01:11:46 adlai: monkeybookers

01:11:55 cazalla: https://twitter.com/skrill/status/537927973471805440

01:11:57 assbot: We’d like to assure our customers that /skrill is in no way associated with the /MoneyBookers account or the news and views that it shares.

01:11:57 adlai: shill skrill

01:19:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26019 @ 0.00036626 = 9.5297 BTC [-]

01:20:16 mircea_popescu: adlai yeah srsly.

01:28:20 adlai: https://twitter.com/MoneyBookers/status/273818404606070785

01:28:22 assbot: We are very happy to be able to inform you about the news on Skrill (MoneyBookers) via this new unofficial twitter account!

01:28:37 adlai: date is relevant: 28 Nov 2012

01:28:58 adlai: this company has been name squatted for TWO YEARS

01:29:28 adlai: that's enough internet for tonight

01:42:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19032 @ 0.00036626 = 6.9707 BTC [-]

02:02:22 mircea_popescu: kik

02:07:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55099 @ 0.00036835 = 20.2957 BTC [+] {2}

02:37:35 decimation: opera is a vastly superior browser

02:39:24 decimation: news from the 'stem jobs' chumpatron: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-11-24/the-tech-worker-shortage-doesnt-really-exist << "Asked what evidence existed of a labor shortage, a spokesperson for Facebook e-mailed a one-sentence statement: “We look forward to hearing more specifics about the President’s plan and how it will impact the skills gap that threatens the competitiveness of the tech sector.”"

02:39:25 assbot: The Tech Worker Shortage Doesn't Really Exist - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/1xUcKWJ )

02:41:32 decimation: Translation: in exchange for political support, manipulation of the masses, etc, we expect to be paid in usg-authorized indentured servants

02:42:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32997 @ 0.00037375 = 12.3326 BTC [+]

02:48:38 kuzetsa: teenage mutant ninja turtles x3; heroes in a half-shell; turtle power!

02:48:45 cazalla: fkn lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rGHSpC5uNk&feature=youtu.be&t=2h58m20s

02:48:46 assbot: Bitcoin - Australian Senate - Inquiry into Digital Currencies Nov 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2z83e )

02:48:48 *: kuzetsa nods sagely

02:49:03 kuzetsa: hi cazalla

02:49:43 cazalla: hi kuzetsa

02:49:49 kuzetsa: I'm old enough to have grown up around the time the original TMNT animated series was still on the air, but that doesn't make it (or me) any cooler I guess

02:50:57 kuzetsa: I'm gonna be watching the movie tonight just to see how much they ruined my childhood

02:51:11 cazalla: kuzetsa, the original movie or the new one?

02:51:30 kuzetsa: the one that came out in the past 36 months & just came out on bluray in the past few weeks

02:51:45 cazalla: ah yeah, i've never watched any of the reboots

02:51:55 cazalla: have you seen nigga turtles?

02:51:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34601 @ 0.00037346 = 12.9221 BTC [-]

02:52:39 kuzetsa: either it's racist humor or your misspelling was unfortunate

02:52:39 cazalla: kuzetsa, nigga turtles is the best remake to date http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJspVE355Do

02:52:40 assbot: NIGGA TURTLES EPISODE 1 spoof - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xUgcAz )

02:52:45 kuzetsa: oh dear

02:54:42 kuzetsa: that link of yours routed through hidemyass.com and ... suspicious scripting and shit

02:55:11 cazalla: complain to assbot, not me

02:55:23 kuzetsa: http://youtu.be/CJspVE355Do <<< actual link

02:55:25 assbot: NIGGA TURTLES EPISODE 1 spoof - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2AjQ1 )

02:55:26 kuzetsa: oh

02:55:29 kuzetsa: oooh

02:55:31 *: kuzetsa facepalms

02:55:50 kuzetsa: I clicked assbot's hostile link instead of yours. you're right.

02:56:19 kuzetsa: wtf even is "hidemyass.com" ?!@$!

02:56:26 kuzetsa: assbot: you're a bad idea

02:56:30 xanthyos: web proxy

02:56:55 kuzetsa: I wasn't impressed by nigga turtles

02:57:20 xanthyos: remember the scene when young shredder takes all the bells in the dark room without ringing one?

02:58:04 cazalla: kuzetsa, there is like 10 episodes and it is a better watch than the remake you intend to watch

02:58:05 kuzetsa: xanthyos: no, I do not.

02:58:39 kuzetsa: cazalla: I'm uncomfortable with the voiceovers and such on it

02:59:14 xanthyos: looks like many other "bad lip reading" clips on yotuube

03:00:14 xanthyos: even easier to mouth synch with the latex turtle head mouths

03:01:37 mats_cd03: ;;ticker

03:01:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.3, Best ask: 376.59, Bid-ask spread: 1.29000, Last trade: 376.6, 24 hour volume: 14247.17116987, 24 hour low: 358.0, 24 hour high: 381.34, 24 hour vwap: 370.100683872

03:01:57 mats_cd03: looks like mp was right, the price didn't budge for black friday

03:27:30 decimation: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2a2tz5/when_kdbus_will_become_merged_in_kernel_using/ << reddit thread discussing some details re: systemd and udev

03:27:34 assbot: When kdbus will become merged in kernel, using udev without systemd will become impossible. Lennart shuts down discussion calling any opposition "haters". : linux ... ( http://bit.ly/12e8Sad )

03:28:11 decimation: it seems that Kay Sievers (and before him Greg KH) were the de-facto maintainers of udev

03:28:38 decimation: they got the idea (probably from Lennart) that it would be a good idea to make udev depend on systemd

03:31:15 decimation: when asked why they were not going to support a standalone udev, Lennart wrote: "Anyway, as soon as kdbus is merged this i how we will maintain udev, you have ample time to figure out some solution that works for you, but we will not support the udev-on-netlink case anymore. I see three options: a) fork things, b) live with systemd, c) if hate systemd that much, but love udev so much, then implement an alternative userspace for kdbus

03:31:17 decimation: to do initialiuzation/policy/activation."

03:32:04 ben_vulpes: linux is rotting.

03:32:37 decimation: it's not really 'rotting' in as much as it is 'dead', and a mushroom is growing on its corpse

03:33:07 ben_vulpes: wither compute?

03:33:22 decimation: it's 'dead' in the sense that there's apparently no serious alternative to redhat-salaried developers who 'maintain' the core of userspace

03:33:33 ben_vulpes: to the bsds, i suppose

03:34:14 ben_vulpes: and openbsd i further suppose because an actual human runs it.

03:36:03 decimation: For the pankakkes of the world: I'm not trying to say that the existing init system is awesome, I'm sure that if one were to turn over that rock one would find a mass of ugly critters

03:58:07 mircea_popescu: <decimation> opera is a vastly superior browser <<< i been sayin'.

03:59:34 mircea_popescu: 18* kuzetsa facepalms << lawl.

04:00:00 mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> assbot: you're a bad idea << if you'd have read the logs you'd know there was some derp in chan earlier dropping links to leech ips to ddos people.

04:00:12 mircea_popescu: and hidemyass is probably the most used web based proxy

04:04:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50698 @ 0.0003623 = 18.3679 BTC [-] {2}

04:04:35 mircea_popescu: decimation basically this systemd is a ms windows of 1990s reboot.

04:05:14 mircea_popescu: i suppose the only point being proven is that insecure idiots, low on skills and very high on politicizing are never going to go away.

04:07:40 mircea_popescu: decimation> it's 'dead' in the sense that there's apparently no serious alternative to redhat-salaried developers who 'maintain' the core of userspace <<< history is the alternative.

04:07:45 mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants "new code" anyway.

04:14:26 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, of game balancing :

04:14:27 mircea_popescu: I. Rogues are scissors. Warriors are rock. Hunters, paladins, priests, druids, mages, and shamans are paper. Warlocks are mushrooms.

04:14:27 mircea_popescu: II. Paper beats rock. Scissors beat paper. Scissors also happen to beat rock...

04:14:27 mircea_popescu: III. Until rock hits sixty at which point rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that also beats paper, and would beat scissors, but it can't find scissors, because scissors are invisible. So scissors beat paper and avoid rock, and that is called balance.

04:22:25 mats_cd03: yep.

04:23:28 mats_cd03: for a short time i played on bg9 in 3s pvp at a high level, ~top 20 teams or so

04:24:02 cazalla: wow pvp is the biggest zzz

04:24:07 mats_cd03: the variation from season to season for class compositions made the game unplayable

04:25:32 mats_cd03: minor balance changes fucked everything up, from skill changes, equipment, racials, ... part of the reason why wow pvp never really caught on as an 'esport' imo

04:26:13 cazalla: not really, the game became more of a social network with socialist participation award type shit

04:27:48 mats_cd03: that too, but the game had such an enormous player base that if the pvp was any good it could be as huge as dota, et al are rite now

04:27:50 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i agree, they had the most braindamaged administrative approach

04:28:04 mircea_popescu: but then again, they never wanted to make a good game ; they just wanted to make a game everyone plays, and pays .

04:33:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3608 @ 0.00036064 = 1.3012 BTC [-]

04:46:39 thestringpuller: mirc but then again, they never wanted to make a good game ; they just wanted to make a game everyone plays << except that was never the original plan until activision took over

04:47:11 nubbins`: mirc

04:49:01 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: *

04:49:10 thestringpuller: i just woke up; cut me slack.

04:50:59 nubbins`: it's 1:21am

04:51:36 thestringpuller: yea sim city + no work until the 8th = no sleep schedule

04:51:58 mats_cd03: sounds nice

04:52:01 thestringpuller: how is it 1:21 there?

04:52:14 mats_cd03: noofinland

04:52:19 thestringpuller: its 21 after?

04:52:25 thestringpuller: its 52 after here

04:52:48 nubbins`: then it's 22 after

04:53:09 nubbins`: protip: not every time zone is offset from UTC by an integer number of hours

04:53:56 thestringpuller: is it still double digit temperatures? :)

04:54:11 nubbins`: actually the first snowfall of the year tonight

04:54:14 nubbins`: there's a few inches out there

04:55:25 thestringpuller: I'm starting to miss the cold. The weather here is whacky. Went from freezing to spring weather in the same week last week.

04:55:43 thestringpuller: At least when its just cold you can just light a fire.

04:58:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00035995 = 11.1225 BTC [-]

05:03:27 mats_cd03: 02:48:14asciilifeform:usg choppers were supposedly fired upon during 'katrina' << yep, i can confirm this second hand -- i know a few L.A. guardsmen that engaged in firefights with looters

05:04:36 mats_cd03: it should be public knowledge by now, i heard rumors about a documentary film about to be released a year ago, dunno if it materialized

05:05:54 nubbins`: magine

05:06:03 mats_cd03: kinda controversial, as the regular army is prohibited from combat operations on american soil afaik (posse comitatus)

05:06:07 nubbins`: when else would ya get the opportunity, i guess

05:09:39 mats_cd03: funny enough, some guardsmen participated in the looting

05:14:03 nubbins`: when else would ya get the opportunity, i guess

05:14:27 nubbins`: given the choice between grabbing a looter and grabbing a new flatscreen...

05:15:38 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cbc-managers-told-of-jian-ghomeshi-assault-allegations-back-in-june-1.2853949

05:15:39 assbot: CBC managers told of Jian Ghomeshi 'assault' allegations back in June - Canada - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMnSgs )

05:15:53 mats_cd03: id have preferred a gun battle, personally.

05:15:55 nubbins`: cbc's self-reporting on all this ghomeshi stuff has been stellar

05:16:39 mats_cd03: pitched battles with insurgents are fairly rare even for dudes in remote combat outposts

05:16:57 decimation: mats_cd03: I know a few folks who believe that the regular army would generally have no problem with firing on americans if ordered to do so

05:17:17 decimation: I'm not so sure myself, but I hope it doesn't come to that

05:17:58 mats_cd03: idk about that, i worked with a fair number of free thinkers ranging from lower enlisted to field grade officers

05:18:48 decimation: I think there was a discussion about this awhile ago. I think that if it came to this (orders to fire on the population somewhere) it would probably tear the military apart, or at least damage the chain of command

05:18:56 mats_cd03: and i don't get the impression they'd be down with it. american military doctrine encourages autonomy at the company level in a lot of ways

05:19:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00035978 = 22.6661 BTC [-] {3}

05:19:36 dub: a world where are americans are shooting each other is a safer world

05:19:51 decimation: dub: happens every day

05:19:58 mats_cd03: which is great for tactical warfighting, but much less suited to a task better left for secret police

05:20:09 dub: and yet america survives

05:20:22 decimation: "there is much ruin in a nation"

05:22:46 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i guess so yeah

05:22:58 decimation: mats_cd03: unfortunately it seems like the 'secret police' is often trotted as a solution to many of usg's problems

05:47:46 mats_cd03: all the more reason to accumulate fuel for takeoff

05:50:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5553 @ 0.00037375 = 2.0754 BTC [+]

06:27:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.0003748 = 14.1112 BTC [+]

06:35:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40325 @ 0.0003748 = 15.1138 BTC [+]

06:58:25 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinapult-relaunch-their-bitcoin-sms-service/

06:58:26 assbot: Coinapult Relaunch Their Bitcoin SMS Service | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1nnx3 )

07:24:41 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ so no 10k usd huh.

07:24:42 assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 782.38 B (91%) on No | closed 1 week 3 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/11DyUnb )

07:30:29 nubbins`: almost

07:35:49 fluffypony: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20141120.png

07:35:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11DA9Tm )

07:51:24 nubbins`: fluffypony dat time savings

07:51:34 nubbins`: nb

07:51:35 mircea_popescu: lol

07:51:41 mircea_popescu: daylight time savings!~

07:51:56 nubbins`: tbh i want daylight savings time all year

07:52:02 nubbins`: it currently gets dark at 4:30pm

07:52:11 nubbins`: i would rather it didn't get dark until 5:30pm

07:52:40 nubbins`: who the fuck cares about the morning?

08:35:02 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "California Quake 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/766/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.29655018 BTC. Current weight: 50,475.

08:45:38 mircea_popescu: !up jespern

08:52:16 kuzetsa: [23:00:00] <+mircea_popescu> <kuzetsa> assbot: you're a bad idea << if you'd have read the logs you'd know there was some derp in chan earlier dropping links to leech ips to ddos people. << mmm, yeah. I barely even notice if someone directly mentions my own nick.

08:52:33 mircea_popescu: aha

08:53:01 kuzetsa: and that's only because I enabled the nick highlight feature on my IRC client

08:53:24 kuzetsa: I was totally awake for the past 5 hours, just not looking at IRC

08:56:36 kuzetsa: I was mostly annoyed because hidemyass.com has some suspicious scripting and a helluvalotta sponsored advertizing, and pingbacks and cookie leakage to facebook and other social networking sites which I couldn't be arsed to audit

08:59:36 kuzetsa: I default to assuming something complicated enough that I can't audit it in under 2 minutes is a bad idea

08:59:48 kuzetsa: hence my saying "assbot: you're a bad idea" generically

09:13:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63281 @ 0.00036317 = 22.9818 BTC [-]

09:25:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00036679 = 9.0964 BTC [+] {3}

09:29:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25334 @ 0.00036315 = 9.2 BTC [-] {2}

10:14:11 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 52(Y):48(N) by coin, 58(Y):42(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.70982698 BTC. Current weight: 10,968.

11:34:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00036533 = 14.4305 BTC [+] {2}

11:39:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00037162 = 10.4054 BTC [+] {3}

12:03:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00037479 = 6.6338 BTC [+] {3}

12:41:33 fluffypony: https://evil32.com

12:41:34 assbot: Evil 32: Check Your GPG Fingerprints ... ( http://bit.ly/1yuuzPO )

12:46:25 fluffypony: and this: http://www.nature.com/news/publishing-the-peer-review-scam-1.16400

12:46:26 assbot: Publishing: The peer-review scam : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1rGRe5A )

12:48:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18442 @ 0.00036519 = 6.7348 BTC [-] {2}

13:03:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00036445 = 2.0409 BTC [-]

13:18:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56497 @ 0.00036959 = 20.8807 BTC [+] {2}

13:32:42 cazalla: damn, 1230am and outta liqour :\

13:35:22 mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/Ffss-p2JfKw << phy radio

13:35:24 assbot: Demistiphy 802.15.4 - Travis Goodspeed & Sergey Bratus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/11E13KW )

13:39:43 mats_cd03: https://github.com/scanlime/coastermelt << fw hacking bd-r drives

13:39:44 assbot: scanlime/coastermelt · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/11E1kNU )

13:40:01 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa yeah i guess it's way too web 2.0 for its own good.

13:40:20 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you know bout phucktor ?

13:40:51 fluffypony: cazalla: pft, amateur...you should always have a stash :-P

13:41:01 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no?

13:42:25 cazalla: fluffypony, can't keep a stash because it gets drunk

13:42:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00037407 = 4.1503 BTC [+]

13:43:39 fluffypony: cazalla: you need a standing weekly order :-P

13:46:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53550 @ 0.00036345 = 19.4627 BTC [-] {2}

13:54:40 cazalla: nintendo are releasing eon tickets across australia on monday, i get to line up at the shopping centre with 10 year olds and other dorks just so i can get the ticket to go to the island in game and catch a specific pokemon

13:54:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00036313 = 3.8129 BTC [-]

13:57:20 mats_cd03: lol

14:16:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony asciilifeform made a gpg key tester

14:17:25 mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/

14:17:26 assbot: Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1v3QJHQ )

14:19:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5356 @ 0.00037407 = 2.0035 BTC [+]

15:06:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00035871 = 6.5106 BTC [-] {2}

15:31:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00035748 = 18.2672 BTC [-] {2}

15:56:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00124999 = 1.25 BTC [+]

17:17:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0003639 = 4.9854 BTC [+] {2}

17:17:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3990 @ 0.00124999 = 4.9875 BTC [+]

17:25:17 kakobrekla: http://l.b-a.link/?date=29-11-2014#938113 < do you find any of these better: https://hide.me/en/proxy http://proxy.org http://www.vpnbook.com/webproxy

17:25:17 assbot: Logged on 29-11-2014 08:56:36; kuzetsa: I was mostly annoyed because hidemyass.com has some suspicious scripting and a helluvalotta sponsored advertizing, and pingbacks and cookie leakage to facebook and other social networking sites which I couldn't be arsed to audit

17:25:18 assbot: hide.me ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGk1zq )

17:25:22 assbot: Free Web Proxy ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGk0LY )

17:55:37 kuzetsa: kakobrekla: I have no preference

17:55:44 kuzetsa: I just use a sane browser that doesn't run scripts by default

17:55:59 kuzetsa: hidemyass wasn't on the whitelist

17:56:04 kuzetsa: so I couldn't see the youtube video

17:56:19 kuzetsa: and I was irked when I saw how many non-youtube scripts hidemyass was trying to run :(

17:57:24 kakobrekla: thats to be used only when you are following links from unknown people btw

17:57:39 kakobrekla: at least that was the original idea.

17:58:39 kuzetsa: I didn't think anyone in this channel could post unless they were at least known in the -otc WoT

17:58:49 kuzetsa: how are you defining "unknown people" O_O

17:58:56 kakobrekla: strangers get voiced all the time?

17:59:03 kuzetsa: do they?

17:59:08 kakobrekla: temporarily, but still.

17:59:32 kakobrekla: !up dooglus

17:59:39 kakobrekla: -assbot- You voiced dooglus for 30 minutes.

17:59:42 kakobrekla: looks like it!

17:59:48 kuzetsa: that seems to defeat the purpose of having +m

18:00:12 kakobrekla: idk have you been in this chan before in last few months?

18:00:24 kuzetsa: I've been idling for several consecutive months

18:00:30 kuzetsa: I usually don't pay much attention though

18:00:41 kuzetsa: and I recently wiped my logs so it only goes back a week or two curently

18:00:42 kakobrekla: myea.

18:01:06 kuzetsa: I've only privmsg'd assbot with the !up thinger less than 10 times

18:02:31 mircea_popescu: there's kinda no way out of the "i don't want to pay attention, why don't i understand anything" trap.

18:02:35 mircea_popescu: pick one.

18:02:45 kuzetsa: sure there is

18:02:58 kuzetsa: it's not a trap if shut up

18:03:00 kuzetsa: :)

18:03:10 mircea_popescu: lol i guess

18:03:39 kuzetsa: (I don't care enough to discuss the proxy thing ... people just keep re-bringing it up and highlighting me in the process)

18:04:16 kuzetsa: ninja turtles sucked BTW

18:04:42 kuzetsa: like... my expectations were low but I was still blown away with how awful it was :(

18:39:51 ben_vulpes: godamnit fleanode

18:40:01 ben_vulpes: just cloak everyone

18:50:13 mats_cd03: i have a right not to be cloaked!

18:53:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25230 @ 0.0003622 = 9.1383 BTC [-]

19:14:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.0003622 = 8.2292 BTC [-]

19:56:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1440 @ 0.00124999 = 1.8 BTC [+]

20:01:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00035976 = 14.2285 BTC [-] {3}

20:02:47 decimation: kakobrekla: what about 'censoring' links from those who aren't in the wot?

20:02:55 decimation: I guess that would imply full moderation

20:03:15 kakobrekla: that would imply like own ircd

20:03:44 decimation: yeah. irc is a creeky 1950's cuban ford pickup, it kinda works

20:05:30 ben_vulpes: serenissima wish list:

20:05:35 ben_vulpes: - rewrite bitcoin

20:05:39 ben_vulpes: - rewrite pgp

20:05:42 ben_vulpes: - rewrite irc

20:05:56 decimation: don't forget 'throw out existing cpu paradigm'

20:06:23 kakobrekla: yes that one should be first or else you will have to do the other 3 again

20:07:08 kakobrekla: but i guess everything goes faster on the second try

20:08:30 decimation: speaking of which there's some amusement re: systemd and surrounds: http://lwn.net/Articles/619068/

20:08:31 assbot: Kdbus meets linux-kernel [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/15KSkc3 )

20:09:08 decimation: DCOP was a bus that KDE used as an IPC layer between GUI programs; DCOP became DBUS

20:09:26 decimation: now Greg KH, Kay Sievers and Lennart want to integrate DBUS into the kernel (DBUS)

20:10:01 decimation: apparently integrating DBUS was tried twice before and DaveM said "hell no"

20:10:16 decimation: so now they are going to try to integrate it as a character device

20:10:59 decimation: Alan Cox: http://lwn.net/Articles/619142/ "No - these are reasons to have *something* in the kernel. I think it would be far more constructive to treat the current kdbus as a proof of

20:11:00 assbot: Re: [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/15KSro8 )

20:11:01 decimation: concept/prototype or even a draft requirements specification."

20:18:04 mircea_popescu: decimation the usg bois are getting butchered.

20:18:41 mircea_popescu: it's funny how they always proceed with this "chiken can eat the highway" outlook.

20:20:47 decimation: I think the might have some legitimate points about shortcomings in existing IPC mechanisms, but I don't see how shoving the entire protocol in the kernel makes sense

20:21:35 mircea_popescu: of course they have some legitimate points.

20:21:55 mircea_popescu: it's sort of like the beta dork showing up with his hot sister at the exclusive bar.

20:22:07 mircea_popescu: the girl gets shoved in and he gets to stay behind the rope.

20:22:17 decimation: heh yeah kinda like that

20:22:18 mircea_popescu: in spite of having had some good points, mounted on the chick's chest.

20:24:58 decimation: it's interesting to look through the linux mailing list thread to gauge various reactions: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/29/854

20:24:59 assbot: LKML: Greg Kroah-Hartman: [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/15KTnca )

20:27:17 mircea_popescu: anyways. later!

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21:03:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21722 @ 0.00035938 = 7.8065 BTC [-] {2}

21:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37249 @ 0.00036046 = 13.4268 BTC [+] {2}

21:22:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00035746 = 18.1947 BTC [-] {2}

21:28:16 jurov: I don't see how shoving the entire protocol in the kernel makes sense << they don't want unnecessary context switches

21:30:00 jurov: this is the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead

21:41:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31157 @ 0.00035734 = 11.1336 BTC [-] {2}

21:52:28 ben_vulpes: perhaps the c pyramid will collapse under its own weight

22:10:04 jurov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8673760 such confusion

22:10:06 assbot: Mean People Fail | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vwBsPR )

22:14:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40377 @ 0.00035705 = 14.4166 BTC [-] {3}

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22:42:20 thestringpuller: "In 2011, a survey done showed that approximately 60% of Jamaicans would push to once again become a British territory; citing years of social and fiscal mismanagement in the country."

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23:20:56 mats_cd03: jurov: its a terrible essay.

23:21:25 mats_cd03: "Startups don't win by attacking. They win by transcending."

23:21:29 *: mats_cd03 waves hands

23:21:41 undata: transcendent disruption of paradigms

23:22:01 undata: please take my course on the above for only 10 BTC

23:22:59 kakobrekla: >The truly great startup founders have to be nice on the outside but when push comes to shove, complete assholes on the inside.

23:23:22 kakobrekla: yes because even more pretending will save the world

23:32:25 mats_cd03: i just had a glass of milk after avoiding lactose for over a year

23:33:03 mats_cd03: dis will be interesting

23:34:24 undata: mats_cd03: prepare your bowels for disruption

23:39:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00035576 = 11.9713 BTC [-]