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00:03:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.87767096 BTC to 321`519 shares, 584 satoshi per share

00:05:39 herbijudlestoids: if i had say a year worth of EOD data could scatterplot daily returns against short term vols to see the relationship etc

00:05:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

00:17:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54699993 BTC [+]

00:18:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19322 @ 0.00089744 = 17.3403 BTC [+] {3}

00:21:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54699994 BTC [+]

00:32:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0056931 = 0.148 BTC [-] {3}

00:33:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 422 @ 0.00552412 = 2.3312 BTC [-] {15}

00:34:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0054 = 0.4212 BTC [-] {2}

00:43:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]

00:52:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5448441 = 1.0897 BTC [+]

00:54:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.005338 = 0.1495 BTC [-] {2}

00:58:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54484284 BTC [-]

00:59:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.54484311 = 2.1794 BTC [+] {4}

01:19:57 mircea_popescu: wait, so the guy got scammed ?!

01:25:00 Apocalyptic: by the almighty serbian scammer

01:25:40 asciilifeform: it takes two to 'scamgo.'

01:25:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.545 = 2.725 BTC [+]

01:26:40 mircea_popescu: iiiincredible.

01:27:01 mircea_popescu: so some dude just made more in half an hour than his room mate makes in a year.

01:27:14 mircea_popescu: thank you bitcoin community, you are really helping to make the world a better place.

01:30:56 KRS1: does a great job by helping the scum float to the top.

01:31:26 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/b3b451526b36c461256b93216a70a44b/tumblr_mhpfg9rNk21rln4dzo1_1280.jpg

01:31:32 mircea_popescu: "thanks for the gf, cya"

01:32:09 KRS1: Wonder where they just came home from.

01:32:12 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i made a quick graph from the data i logged last night, distribution of tick returns

01:32:35 herbijudlestoids: dunno if you saw it or not http://i.imgur.com/CkJ5kA8.png

01:32:39 mircea_popescu: i hadn't

01:32:59 herbijudlestoids: interesting skew formation

01:33:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.5469104 = 36.643 BTC [+] {2}

01:33:09 herbijudlestoids: not exactly a large sample size

01:33:15 herbijudlestoids: thats for MPOE

01:33:17 mircea_popescu: yeah kinda... not much there yet

01:34:07 herbijudlestoids: i refined some stuff this morning on examining the data and will write some scriptage tonight probly, all thanks to access to free data ;)

01:34:25 mircea_popescu: :)

01:34:34 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.msg4827362#msg4827362 who is this guy anyway, is he here ?

01:34:35 ozbot: Ripped OFF by bitbet.us

01:34:53 mircea_popescu: kayser soze anyone ?

01:35:05 Apocalyptic: again some "bitbet scammed me" thread ?

01:35:39 kakobrekla: not scam as such.

01:36:00 mircea_popescu: "bitbet scammed me by sending my winnings to the address i paid from as i told it to"

01:36:07 mike_c: i figured that was one of your sock puppets. those scam threads are good for business :)

01:36:22 mircea_popescu: i never had sock puppets

01:36:48 mircea_popescu: i guess by now this is improbable, perhaps i'm the last one, but anyway, mpoe-pr is actually my only forum thing

01:37:29 mike_c: yeah. i was kidding. except about the good for business part.

01:37:59 mircea_popescu: i guess the original one was, but i doubt further roflcopter does anything really.

01:38:02 mircea_popescu: who knows.

01:40:41 mircea_popescu: sucks this can't really be a/b'd

01:47:19 herbijudlestoids: lunchtiem

01:47:48 herbijudlestoids: banh mih for $3.50 :)

01:48:07 mircea_popescu: i just did the math. the bitbet scammed me dude actually bet... about a dollar,

01:48:31 mircea_popescu: and lost about 0.7 cents to the low weight.

01:48:51 mircea_popescu: i wonder if the shills/socks are actually paid less than this to start threads/make posts.

01:49:04 mircea_popescu: he

01:49:07 mircea_popescu: s got like > 100 words in there.

01:49:45 mircea_popescu: the entire fucking forum is worth like fiddy bitcoin at these rates. all 500k threads of it.

01:50:01 herbijudlestoids: doesnt it say the bet was 0.011BTC? i.e. 0.011 * ~1000 ~= 11USD? or was this when the price was lower, he says it was when th eprice was higher lol

01:50:32 mircea_popescu: a wait you're right, i had a degree of magnitude off.

01:50:45 herbijudlestoids: bro u scamd me out of 11USD

01:50:51 mircea_popescu: he lost 7 cents to the low weight. i guess tis legitimate.

01:52:34 herbijudlestoids: most people are shit at betting and will lose their money anyway regardless of scams

01:52:56 mircea_popescu: some people make out alright

01:53:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15828 @ 0.00089436 = 14.1559 BTC [-]

02:06:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.028 = 0.168 BTC [-]

02:18:31 kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/1576267/plain/

02:20:19 kakobrekla: there is a lesson somewhere in there

02:20:43 kakobrekla: and yes, i am reading the fidonet email gateway faq

02:21:45 mircea_popescu: i regularly throw out bits of software or hardware whose function i don't understand.

02:21:55 mircea_popescu: not doing so is immoral in my view, so there.

02:28:50 Duffer1: I'm gonna make Hodor coin

02:28:56 Duffer1: brb

02:32:42 herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/gallery/tpjF8Lj

02:32:43 ozbot: Swift kicks to the face at the Grammys - Imgur

02:34:02 Duffer1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4luHEVjqKA

02:34:02 ozbot: Taylor Swift Attacked at Grammys - YouTube

02:36:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm curious about the hardware

02:39:26 mircea_popescu: of all the various items around me right now, none carry labels, for instance.

02:41:05 asciilifeform: why would they be labeled?

02:41:38 pankkake: brands?

02:42:17 mircea_popescu: i have no idea.

02:42:28 mircea_popescu: but somehow it became fashionable of late.

02:43:21 asciilifeform: 'intel inside' and 'designed for winblows' stickers look great on toilet tanks

02:43:34 asciilifeform: assuming you meant those

02:43:41 mircea_popescu: i mean everything, really.

02:44:43 asciilifeform: what's your answer to silkscreened print? 'dremel' ? or belt sander

02:45:24 mircea_popescu: i don't recall buying silkscreened shit any time recently.

02:45:37 asciilifeform: e.g. logo on mice, keyboards

02:46:18 Duffer1: "In your progress report of November 30th 2013 you stated "We have this last week shipped our first products to customers." - What product was shipped?"

02:46:19 Duffer1: Kslaughter: We shipped some accessories products to India.

02:46:46 kakobrekla: eh who cares for that shit

02:46:48 pankkake: lol

02:46:50 kakobrekla: as long as its not hugo boss

02:47:11 kakobrekla: im talking labels

02:47:12 mircea_popescu: my kbd came w/o a logo. so did the mouse.

02:47:30 kakobrekla: my brain ignores it

02:47:39 kakobrekla: just like i do not see assbot quotes any more

02:47:44 kakobrekla: they are there, i just dont see them

02:47:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I find sugar cubes work well removing silkscreen from hard plastics.

02:48:47 pankkake: keyboard has no logo but I want to replace the win keys by penguins or something. the mouse has a discreet logo… but I've seen the new version, the brand is illuminated :/ https://secure-b.vimeocdn.com/ts/132/730/132730099_640.jpg

02:49:01 mircea_popescu: i don't have a win key either.

02:49:18 kakobrekla: for example, i still have stickers on my lappy, yes they are ugly and yes couldnt care less

02:50:03 asciilifeform: i know of no decent keyboard with a winblows key

02:50:05 mircea_popescu: a laptop is another good example, all sorts of shit to excise in there.

02:50:10 pankkake: hm, you made me realize, I have environmentalist propaganda on my monitor

02:50:43 kakobrekla: you people are such girls.

02:50:49 pankkake: asciilifeform: http://webwit.nl/kbc60/1.jpg

02:50:50 mircea_popescu: nou

02:50:55 asciilifeform: a laptop remains 'satanic' regardless of what one might do to it

02:51:04 kakobrekla: girls i say.

02:51:08 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4830999#msg4830999

02:51:09 ozbot: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]

02:51:14 herbijudlestoids: http://www.cogmed.com/working-memory-they-found-your-brain%E2%80%99s-spam-filter

02:51:17 Duffer1: ^ ken's pretty much coming clean

02:51:29 asciilifeform: pankkake: 'happy hacking kbd' ?

02:51:36 asciilifeform: has no arrows or f keys either

02:51:46 asciilifeform: why anyone voluntarily uses those is beyond me

02:51:48 mircea_popescu: lmao the slaughter lol is still a thing ?!

02:51:50 pankkake: cheap chinese clone :)

02:51:53 herbijudlestoids: "Importantly, McNab and Klingberg found that the jump in activity levels in these areas was largest for high capacity individuals and smallest for low capacity individuals. That is, when told that they needed to filter, the high-capacity individuals ramped up activity in these brain regions to keep out irrelevant items. By contrast, the low-capacity individuals showed little additional activity in these areas when

02:52:03 Duffer1: it's lulzier than ever MP

02:52:11 pankkake: the fact that it's still a thing, and that the shareholder let it happen is sad :(

02:52:32 mircea_popescu: pankkake you need to re-read the log earlier.

02:52:48 Duffer1: poor gecko :(

02:53:03 mircea_popescu: " In September with bitcoins @ 140, with competition with 400 GH/s and 500 GH/s chips our machines would not ROI, so a decision was made that we would have to refund all of our pre-orders, so we did not commit a lot of our funds to building boards, we was also trying to get enough pre-orders to make our minimum lot with eASIC."

02:53:14 mircea_popescu: the september decision retrospectively made in january.

02:53:20 mircea_popescu: how did that go, "can't spell = scammer" ?

02:53:28 pankkake: asciilifeform: I don't like to move my hands, I'd rather use Fn+something. and vim hotkeys make arrow keys redundant

02:53:46 kakobrekla: hey i cant spell and im not .. a... nvm.

02:53:51 Duffer1: i like this bit: Ken mentioned additional hashrate came online in November, what machines were those?

02:53:52 Duffer1: CEX.IO

02:53:58 pankkake: kslaugther makes spelling error and weird Capitalizations

02:54:02 pankkake: errors

02:54:21 pankkake: in his sockpuppets also

02:54:47 mircea_popescu: well since scammers never die / "investors" are fucktarded, is inaba still a thing too ?

02:55:02 pankkake: Duffer1: wow at the cex.io stuff. that's… wow

02:55:24 kakobrekla: wait im not following all this

02:55:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0489999 = 0.392 BTC [+]

02:55:29 kakobrekla: its too complicated

02:55:43 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla speal bettur.

02:55:52 Duffer1: oh i'm sure inaba is still making the rounds at bitcoin conferences

02:55:56 kakobrekla: i cunt.

02:56:06 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/a2c3801273c7e205aaa3fce2415bcc76/tumblr_miripmvKLR1ru15g3o1_500.jpg speaking of.

02:57:16 kakobrekla: pankkake why is cex shocking

02:57:26 kakobrekla: where is the wow

02:57:43 pankkake: the guy isn't supposed to trade company funds on that kind of stuff

02:57:51 pankkake: he's supposed to make miners

02:58:13 kakobrekla: a, that little part.

02:58:22 pankkake: it made billions of posts speculating on sample chips and the guy said nothing for months

02:58:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00086 = 0.258 BTC [+]

02:58:35 Duffer1: looks like he did what labcoin did, spent ipo money on retail gear to fake progress on their own proprietary stuff, then lied about it, a lot

02:58:40 asciilifeform: pankkake: no pg-up/down keys either. do you also wear a barrel instead of clothing?

02:58:43 mircea_popescu: d'oh.

02:58:52 kakobrekla: so fury got the money on the end.

02:58:55 kakobrekla: well done

02:59:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's french. they evolved past clothing, they just wear their hair.

02:59:30 Duffer1: lol

02:59:46 pankkake: page up/down is a bit frustrating, though for vim and firefox I use other keys

03:00:33 pankkake: well I am hairy, pretty much a caveman

03:01:09 asciilifeform: pankkake: you can carry the happyhacking thing to its logical conclusion:

03:01:10 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html

03:01:10 ozbot: MwEmu

03:01:37 asciilifeform: 6 keys.

03:01:37 pankkake: I've been wanting to try similar things

03:01:59 pankkake: there's also a sort of glove where each finger can move in a direction

03:01:59 asciilifeform: you can try it right there

03:02:52 mircea_popescu: should be on left hand

03:02:56 mircea_popescu: so he can still jack off

03:03:07 pankkake: I am left handed

03:03:12 mircea_popescu: a nm then

03:03:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doug engelbart's original chorder was left-hand.

03:03:21 asciilifeform: or rather, symmetrical, but intended for left hand.

03:03:40 asciilifeform: right hand held his (original!) mouse

03:03:55 asciilifeform: and a kbd in the middle, for times when it couldn't be avoided.

03:04:23 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/mw/motd_ui.jpg

03:05:23 asciilifeform: full turd here:

03:05:24 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861

03:05:24 ozbot: Loper OS » Engelbart’s Violin

03:05:33 Duffer1: the forums are on fire tonight https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439399.0

03:05:34 kakobrekla: look, no branding.

03:05:51 kakobrekla: great for girls.

03:06:07 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if i recall, he machined those

03:06:25 asciilifeform: perhaps true masters ought to make their own i/o devices.

03:06:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 508 @ 0.00083145 = 0.4224 BTC [-] {2}

03:06:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00089432 = 17.0815 BTC [-] {2}

03:07:14 asciilifeform: i would have built my own keyboard long ago, if i had any way to produce the key caps.

03:07:48 asciilifeform: other components (buckling springs, controller, chassis) can be sourced or laser cut

03:08:09 asciilifeform: but key caps, afaik, must be injection-molded to be of any usable quality.

03:08:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00089423 = 0.9837 BTC [-]

03:08:40 asciilifeform: likewise the shafts in which they move

03:08:45 kakobrekla: cant you scavage them?

03:08:51 asciilifeform: (tolerance ~0.1mm, like a rifle chamber)

03:09:09 asciilifeform: if you scavenge, you're stuck with the original key labels

03:09:24 asciilifeform: and yes, who doesn't own a fat sack full of 'model M' key caps

03:09:50 kakobrekla: you dont need a fat sack for yourself do you

03:10:00 mircea_popescu: so hire a secretary, make her type random strings for half a year

03:10:04 asciilifeform: sure ya do. when one's in the wash.

03:10:07 mircea_popescu: cheap chinese caps, the paint wears off

03:10:23 asciilifeform: injection-molded. 1982, still going strong.

03:10:31 asciilifeform: the black is the inner plastic.

03:10:41 mircea_popescu: o those

03:10:54 mircea_popescu: weird fucking plastic, the white shit too. bachelite or something

03:11:13 asciilifeform: re: secretary: why would you do that to your springs.

03:11:58 asciilifeform: if i ever do make a keyboard, i'll probably machine the mechanicals from aluminum.

03:11:59 kakobrekla: well so you need 2

03:12:05 kakobrekla: still not a fat sack

03:12:11 asciilifeform: if doing something, might as well do it right

03:12:19 pankkake: http://web.archive.org/web/20070114050531/http://tim.griffins.ca/gallery/keyboard/DataHand.html found it!

03:12:20 ozbot: Alternative Keyboard Gallery: DataHand Keyboard

03:12:45 mircea_popescu: well then machine them from rhenium

03:12:46 kakobrekla: good for startrek remake

03:12:49 mircea_popescu: glow in the dark!

03:13:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can machine pyrophorics in your kitchen, i'll pass.

03:13:38 mircea_popescu: :D

03:14:13 asciilifeform: no room in 'garconierre' for argon tanks.

03:15:00 herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/gallery/uyiRuTZ

03:15:00 ozbot: The White house slogan - Imgur

03:15:30 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229438.msg4819875#msg4819875

03:15:31 ozbot: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading

03:15:32 mircea_popescu: split ?

03:17:00 mircea_popescu: also, check it out : usagi teh hero. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg4830292#msg4830292

03:17:20 pankkake: yeah… :|

03:17:39 pankkake: but still, Deprived disappeared

03:19:08 kakobrekla: he took with off wit the monies?

03:19:23 kakobrekla: im so out of the loop.

03:19:38 Apocalyptic: i'm too

03:19:39 mircea_popescu: a while back.

03:19:51 kakobrekla: how much?

03:19:54 Apocalyptic: I considered him as one of the more legit guys out there

03:19:56 Duffer1: he hasn't been since late november

03:20:30 kakobrekla: i mean

03:20:35 kakobrekla: how much did he get away with

03:20:46 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic so did i, until i offered him i don't remember what and he got all shady and shy.

03:20:49 mircea_popescu: at which point i stopped.

03:21:16 Apocalyptic: hum

03:21:31 ThickAsThieves: i voice-chatted with him once

03:21:37 ThickAsThieves: cheerful brit

03:22:02 ThickAsThieves: he had plans for more products

03:22:02 kakobrekla: somali using britafy app

03:22:07 mircea_popescu: part of the problem is that all the irresponsible gecko shit going around puts a lot of stress on otherwise honest people, i wager.

03:22:12 ThickAsThieves: odd he took off

03:22:32 pankkake: unless he got hit by a bus

03:22:37 ThickAsThieves: technically,

03:22:39 Duffer1: ya i don't think anyone saw that one coming

03:22:47 kakobrekla: that bus or?

03:22:49 ThickAsThieves: he said he wouldnt post til he had something to post

03:22:55 ThickAsThieves: and nothing has changed yet

03:23:14 ThickAsThieves: ciphertrade is not open yet, which is where he intended to do biz

03:23:28 mircea_popescu: what, THAT still a thing ?

03:23:33 ThickAsThieves: yep

03:23:34 kakobrekla: but whoresandstuff.com is open

03:23:34 Duffer1: he's also on CT board and probably an investor in it

03:23:36 kakobrekla: he can list there

03:23:39 mircea_popescu: dude, are these muppets investing in bcst or w/e still ?

03:23:42 ThickAsThieves: they are in "open beta"

03:25:16 Duffer1: ciphertrade, for better or worse (much worse), is the next batter to step up to the plate

03:25:24 kakobrekla: link?

03:25:33 ThickAsThieves: batter, like the kind you put on chicken

03:25:43 mircea_popescu: lol pancakes!

03:27:11 Duffer1: kako https://beta.ciphertrade.com/

03:27:36 Duffer1: and the discussion thread https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=7176.0

03:28:11 kakobrekla: and the ops are in merrica rite?

03:28:20 Duffer1: london mainly

03:28:24 Duffer1: or there abouts

03:28:29 kakobrekla: at least that.

03:28:43 Apocalyptic: hum, they seem to be doing LTC/BTC and XPM/BTC too

03:29:03 Dimsler_: lol

03:29:06 Duffer1: i believe they plan assets + currency exchange

03:29:08 Dimsler_: all these exchanges popping

03:29:14 kakobrekla: pooping?

03:29:16 Apocalyptic: ^

03:29:18 Dimsler_: oh yeah those look totally legit

03:29:27 Dimsler_: let me send 100btc

03:29:27 kakobrekla: SEE I CAN SPELL AFTER ALL

03:30:14 Apocalyptic: you can turn off caps lock too

03:30:16 mircea_popescu: * kakobrekla casts a slanderous spell upon the happy investoland

03:30:28 Dimsler_: these guys are retards

03:30:35 Dimsler_: not using any exchanges based in an OECD country

03:30:59 Apocalyptic: that's kinda extremist

03:31:10 Duffer1: i'm just the messenger, please don't shoot

03:31:12 Diablo-D3: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7148723

03:31:12 kakobrekla: it only works if you belive it mp

03:31:14 Diablo-D3: everyone upvote this

03:31:16 Dimsler_: yeah talk to some mtgox guys

03:31:18 Dimsler_: then

03:31:22 ThickAsThieves: the deprived mining copycat thing on Havelock appears to be almost open for trading

03:31:23 Dimsler_: if you think its extremist

03:31:27 mircea_popescu: so basically this leaves... romania ?

03:31:40 kakobrekla: slovenia

03:31:42 mircea_popescu: japan is in the oecd

03:31:45 mircea_popescu: slovenia doesn't exist.

03:31:53 Dimsler_: lol slovenia is a spit on the map

03:32:07 Dimsler_: bunch of clowns who can't get along

03:32:20 kakobrekla: yeah and kayman islands are twice the size of merrica

03:32:30 mircea_popescu: see ? kant spell cayman

03:32:34 Diablo-D3: its a tool to detect if your vps company is lying to you

03:32:34 kakobrekla: we

03:32:41 Dimsler_: well the carribean is all false as well

03:32:48 Dimsler_: if you want real security you need something like hongkong

03:32:49 mircea_popescu: also cant spell vhatewer

03:32:55 Dimsler_: where if the US authorities call they hang up the phone

03:33:07 mircea_popescu: and chinese ?

03:33:23 Dimsler_: actually best plac eis probably russia

03:33:29 Dimsler_: no extradition treaty

03:33:37 Dimsler_: low income tax on high gains

03:33:39 kakobrekla: no russia, slovenia.

03:34:04 Dimsler_: man i'm not going anywhere near yugoslavia

03:34:10 Dimsler_: those people are fucked in the head

03:34:14 kakobrekla: ....

03:34:23 mircea_popescu: was slovenia in the old yugoslavia ?!

03:34:27 Dimsler_: croatia is nice for a coast line vacation

03:34:38 kakobrekla: was it not!?

03:34:45 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: things, my company is making them https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439618.new :)

03:34:53 asciilifeform: detecting VM is very, very easy.

03:34:58 Dimsler_: mircea_popescu, you might be confused with slovakia

03:35:16 mircea_popescu: they're different ?!

03:35:29 Dimsler_: lol quit trolling

03:35:32 kakobrekla: fuck all of you.

03:35:40 Dimsler_: slovakia has nice driving roads

03:35:49 mircea_popescu: Azelphur what exactly are you doing there ?

03:36:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aww you know we love you

03:36:19 Apocalyptic: slovakia ftw

03:36:24 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: title is technical director, basically I do web dev / anything tech I can do, while being a big-ass cash cow.

03:36:40 Dimsler_: bitex is a cash cow?

03:36:41 Dimsler_: lol

03:36:46 mircea_popescu: so basicallyh you're being the sucker in this deal.

03:36:46 Azelphur: no, I am xD

03:36:55 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hopefully not ;)

03:36:57 mircea_popescu: who told that aldur derp that december 2012 qualifies as "long term" ?

03:37:00 Dimsler_: listen guys

03:37:03 Dimsler_: we nee da new MLM

03:37:05 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I've known him way longer

03:37:08 Dimsler_: now that everyone forgot about pirate

03:37:11 Azelphur: we've been friends (irl) for years

03:37:17 asciilifeform: https://github.com/kaniini/slabbed-or-not sucks, easily defeated.

03:37:37 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129961.msg1394808#msg1394808

03:37:45 mircea_popescu: stupidest first post in history of stupid first posts.

03:37:49 mircea_popescu: but anyway, gl etc.

03:38:06 Dimsler_: lol the bitcoin foundation is dangerous

03:38:11 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: haha, he's finance not technology :)

03:38:15 Dimsler_: i'm worried about the doing something stupid like blacklisting address'

03:38:23 Azelphur: so he thinks in terms of the financial industry :)

03:38:26 Dimsler_: dangerous group of people

03:38:31 mircea_popescu: Azelphur he's clueless. https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2Ft1%2F264557_227871904003610_1955021226_n.jpg&t=536&c=G_exZJuL6gxbpQ << srsly ?!

03:38:47 asciilifeform: Dimsler_: the sooner the phoundation 'shoots itself' in the head, rather than in the foot as usual, the better.

03:39:04 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: perhaps, but our FPGA engineer isn't (I picked the engineer myself)

03:39:10 Dimsler_: well in the end i don't really give a shit what happens in america

03:39:16 Dimsler_: since its a small and insignificant place

03:39:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, no, its current zombie/laughingstock state is useful. much like the power rangers.

03:39:22 mircea_popescu: they absorb shocks

03:39:30 Dimsler_: lol

03:39:33 Dimsler_: well they dragged shrem away

03:39:35 Dimsler_: for loundering

03:39:40 Dimsler_: er laundering

03:39:45 Dimsler_: which the charges themselves are hilarious

03:39:52 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: can't get much more skilled than this, no? http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/glendon-klassen/87/5b4/30 ;)

03:39:58 mircea_popescu: Azelphur alright, just bear it foremost in your mind that a bunch of people ended up swindled to lend their credence to idiotic nonprojects by random wanna-be "experts" to date.

03:40:02 mircea_popescu: so don't become another.

03:40:05 Dimsler_: oh you guys

03:40:08 Dimsler_: i love this new idiot

03:40:10 Dimsler_: vitalik

03:40:11 Dimsler_: or whatever

03:40:15 Dimsler_: the bitcoin magazine clown

03:40:16 mircea_popescu: he's by no means new.

03:40:31 Dimsler_: well in 2012 he was buying btc off my exchange

03:40:33 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I realise that, and it's something I worry about, but I am heavily involved, and I have sunk a lot of time and money into it

03:40:38 ThickAsThieves: he's not an idiot, he's a "hacker"

03:40:39 Dimsler_: lol hes new to me

03:40:44 mircea_popescu: Azelphur these are not considerations.

03:40:45 Dimsler_: vitalik is a moron

03:40:46 Azelphur: so hopefully all will go well :)

03:40:59 Dimsler_: that has no idea about economics or cryptography

03:41:00 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: oh, you know we already have functional hardware right? :P

03:41:27 Dimsler_: Azelphur, take your fucking scam else where

03:41:31 mircea_popescu: that's fine, but the amount of time/effort sunk into anything has no bearing. you drop a hand of cards when you know they can't win, not when you're comfortable with how much you threw into the pot.

03:41:41 kakobrekla: that dude has "webdev" on his linkedin. -10 internet points.

03:41:42 mircea_popescu: Dimsler_ what's with you anyway

03:41:46 Apocalyptic: Dimsler_, http://ethereum.org/

03:41:49 Apocalyptic: his new project

03:41:50 Dimsler_: lol sorry

03:41:53 Dimsler_: i'm hating today

03:42:08 kakobrekla: Dimsler_ serbia is hating back

03:42:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.004072 = 0.1018 BTC [-] {3}

03:42:15 ThickAsThieves: there'll never be a bitcoin 2.0 because all the cries of wolf

03:42:16 Dimsler_: i saw the ethereum project, its got more holes then the block of swiss cheese in my fridge

03:42:32 Azelphur: Dimsler_: haha, with my otc rep, it'd have to be one hell of a long con

03:42:32 mircea_popescu: o so i get it now, slovenia is not slovakia because it is in fact the other name for serbia ?

03:42:49 Apocalyptic: ^

03:42:59 Dimsler_: i could use a vacation in croatia

03:43:04 kakobrekla: is this how is going to end? country trolling?

03:43:06 mircea_popescu: Azelphur that's not the point, the point is that you wouldn't be the first guy used for his rep.

03:43:10 Dimsler_: the french riveria got expensive lately

03:43:12 Dimsler_: cause the euro got raped

03:43:13 Dimsler_: er

03:43:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15833 @ 0.00089401 = 14.1549 BTC [-] {2}

03:43:16 Dimsler_: usd to euro rape

03:43:20 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I agree, it's a risk.

03:43:25 mircea_popescu: anyway.

03:43:38 asciilifeform: altera cyclone V GX

03:43:44 Dimsler_: Azelphur, list on mpex so we can pump and dump it?

03:43:49 asciilifeform: max ALUs - 113,560

03:43:54 Azelphur: Dimsler_: haha :)

03:44:08 asciilifeform: max clock: 550MHz

03:44:09 asciilifeform: http://www.altera.com/literature/hb/cyclone-v/cv_51001.pdf

03:44:23 asciilifeform: tell us again about 10GH/sec SHA256.

03:44:39 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I reckon we'll do fine though, at the end of the day we have the thing and it's hashing right now, so we've already won really

03:44:46 Azelphur: even if 0 preorders and nobody buys, we'll just mine on it and laugh.

03:45:12 Dimsler_: why don't you just mine on it now

03:45:15 mircea_popescu: so if you already have the thing and it hashes why is your "finance industry" pal posting stuff david thorpe designed ?

03:45:17 Azelphur: Dimsler_: we are

03:45:56 mircea_popescu: thorne*

03:45:57 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: posting pictures of an altera dev kit is hardly amazing/interesting

03:45:57 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:46:06 kakobrekla: ^^

03:46:10 kakobrekla: assbot has it

03:46:16 asciilifeform: speaking of which,

03:46:17 asciilifeform: http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=167&No=830

03:46:19 mircea_popescu: according to who, the finance industry ? cmon.

03:46:19 Azelphur: but you do have a point, I could get our FPGA guy to post some stuff

03:46:27 Azelphur: yea, I'll bug him about it :P

03:46:27 asciilifeform: $180.

03:46:35 mircea_popescu: anything is better than a 640px wide picture of six green lines

03:46:52 asciilifeform: for anyone who has these same fit-ten-pounds-of-shit-in-a-five-pound-bag skillz.

03:47:21 mircea_popescu: Azelphur so your product you've won with is a fpga ?!

03:47:33 asciilifeform: 'those who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense.'

03:47:39 kakobrekla: 100 btc aint gonna make asics

03:47:44 kakobrekla: not yet at least.

03:47:47 Dimsler_: lol

03:47:51 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: seems so, ain't many decent FPGAs out there for altcoins

03:47:55 Azelphur: seemed like a good niche

03:48:01 mircea_popescu: aha.

03:48:04 Dimsler_: alt coins suck

03:48:10 Dimsler_: theres no prize for second place ok

03:48:27 Dimsler_: charles lee knows this first hand

03:48:38 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: and hopefully won't get me thrown in jail, haha

03:48:40 mircea_popescu: Dimsler_ actually miners may make a buck out of all the retarded kids who think a bigger number of coins is better.

03:48:53 Dimsler_: mmm 81 million litecoins

03:49:07 Dimsler_: must have cryptocurrncy with billions of coins

03:49:17 mircea_popescu: then they can get scammed out of fiddy billion coins at a time instead of .5

03:50:08 Duffer1: azelphur so your target is sha256 altcoin miners?

03:50:18 Azelphur: Duffer1: hell no, the sha256 is mostly for shits and giggles

03:50:32 Azelphur: the main targets are scrypt and prime

03:50:55 Duffer1: BitEx M2 coin?

03:51:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.59993737 = 4.7995 BTC [+] {4}

03:51:32 kakobrekla: <Duffer1> azelphur so your target is sha256 altcoin miners?

03:51:43 kakobrekla: all sha alts can be mined on asic afaik

03:51:44 Dimsler_: alt currencies = modern day boiler room

03:51:53 Dimsler_: like i get satoshi premining himself the 1mil in coins

03:52:04 Dimsler_: because he deserved something for the smart scheme

03:52:05 Duffer1: ya kako lol that's what i was trying to point out :P

03:52:14 Dimsler_: but charles lee is just a fag that offers nothing

03:52:27 Dimsler_: same applies to the rest of the crypto alt clowns premining themselves coins

03:52:27 mircea_popescu: Dimsler_ he didn't even premine it.

03:52:31 Dimsler_: yeah i know

03:52:33 Dimsler_: lol

03:52:37 Azelphur: Duffer1: our number theory guy really wanted to try his hand at a new alt :)

03:52:58 Azelphur: and baring in mind he's pretty much perfectly qualified (number theory / fpga) it'll be interesting to see what he comes up with

03:53:00 Duffer1: tell him to be honest with himself and just name it Hodor Coin

03:53:24 Azelphur: :P

03:53:32 Dimsler_: lol new alt

03:53:38 Azelphur: I can probably drag him in here, if ya'll are interested.

03:53:42 Dimsler_: no

03:53:50 Duffer1: that would be fascinating

03:53:57 Dimsler_: no it would not quit trolling the guy

03:54:05 Azelphur: lol

03:55:25 Duffer1: what's the six month plan for bitex?

03:55:44 Dimsler_: its the i'll take all your money and in six months i'll be gone plan

03:56:30 asciilifeform: recipe for those disinclined to be chumped: 1) read published (3 yrs +) verilog src for sha256. 2) build. 3) see minimum gate count for unrolled hasher 4) laugh

03:56:44 Apocalyptic: seriously Dimsler_ wtf

03:56:58 asciilifeform: and this is the ideal figure - does not include memory controller, scrypt crap...

03:58:32 Azelphur: Duffer1: get the FPGAs out, work on new cores, we're also thinking of doing some bitcoin commerce

03:58:41 Azelphur: Dimsler_: would be hard considering there's no way to give us your money yet ;)

03:58:54 kakobrekla: its like all in one shaman stop

03:59:05 Duffer1: bitcoin commerce?

03:59:45 Dimsler_: kakobrekla, lol

04:00:28 Azelphur: Duffer1: yea, ie setting up a reasonably well stocked computer store

04:00:32 Azelphur: there doesn't seem to be anyone doing that in UK

04:00:44 Dimsler_: now a computer store?

04:00:48 Dimsler_: honestly great buisness plan

04:01:15 Apocalyptic: "this will be our temporary home while we setup our IRC server", Azelphur why would you setup your own IRC server for 1 channel ?

04:01:15 Azelphur: that's one of my things I'd like to work on in the future, he asked for the 6 month plan, which goes beyond the FPGA ;)

04:01:30 Azelphur: Apocalyptic: that'd be Oliver not listening to me again when I told him no IRC server

04:01:34 Azelphur: he fails at listening sometimes :(

04:01:54 Apocalyptic: sounds like a waste of time to setup and manage it

04:01:59 Azelphur: yup

04:02:03 Azelphur: and an annoyance to the users

04:02:10 Azelphur: it won't happen, it'll stay on freenode :P

04:02:17 Duffer1: freenode4life

04:02:22 Azelphur: ^

04:02:24 Apocalyptic: *4lyfe

04:02:25 Dimsler_: lol

04:02:34 Dimsler_: goo efnet

04:04:13 Dimsler_: Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

04:04:13 Dimsler_: - Mark Twain

04:04:18 Duffer1: dimsler_ what's your exchange?

04:05:17 Dimsler_: i run a locablbitcoins one

04:06:26 Duffer1: ah

04:07:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7612 @ 0.00089445 = 6.8086 BTC [+]

04:13:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3261 @ 0.00089601 = 2.9219 BTC [+]

04:15:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]

04:16:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]

04:19:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]

04:24:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [+]

04:27:11 Apocalyptic: <Ken`> Vitalik Buterin?

04:27:11 Apocalyptic: <jcorgan> yes

04:27:12 Apocalyptic: <Ken`> yep.. he seems smart

04:27:14 Apocalyptic: derp

04:28:23 Dimsler_: LOL

04:28:29 Dimsler_: let me eat there lunches for them

04:31:55 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you got a point, I remove the logo from bitbet completely, agreed?

04:31:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:34:30 ThickAsThieves: remove the "got milk" at least

04:34:41 Diablo-D3: >vitalik buterin

04:34:53 Diablo-D3: why does he sound like a russian dietary supplement

04:34:55 ThickAsThieves: a man with a dreams

04:35:00 kakobrekla: but milk is not a scammer

04:35:08 Dimsler_: lol hes like amir taaki

04:35:12 Dimsler_: sold all his btc for a pizza

04:35:33 Dimsler_: aren't thye both now squating in some slum in spain?

04:35:43 Dimsler_: pretending that dark wallet is going to come out of alpha?

04:36:03 kakobrekla: amir sold btc for pizza?

04:36:26 Dimsler_: no it was a joke

04:36:28 herbijudlestoids: http://boingboing.net/2014/01/29/key-3d-printing-patent-expired.html

04:36:28 Dimsler_: but he got out early

04:36:28 ozbot: Key 3D printing patent expired yesterday - Boing Boing

04:36:32 Dimsler_: at like $5

04:36:35 Dimsler_: so did vitalik

04:36:40 kakobrekla: really?

04:36:42 Dimsler_: i believe vitalik admitted to buying tshirts

04:36:46 Dimsler_: yes

04:36:51 Dimsler_: both of those clowns are broke

04:37:09 Dimsler_: both junkies too

04:37:30 Dimsler_: watch there hilarious youtube vids man, amir taaki has the shakes

04:37:45 kakobrekla: i know his vids.

04:37:47 kakobrekla: too much.

04:45:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00089667 = 8.2494 BTC [+]

04:48:02 diametric: herbijudlestoids: I wouldn't really call that a key patent.

04:48:26 diametric: that article is poorly written too.

04:48:40 diametric: The SLS process has nothing to do with the cost of nylon (or any) powders..

04:48:54 diametric: Thats like saying the patent on Ford engines has increased the cost of gasoline.

05:16:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.00086058 = 1.7212 BTC [+] {6}

05:19:11 herbijudlestoids: diametric: im not a 3d printing expert sorry :( just sharing the occasional link i think others might find interesting

05:25:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3000 @ 0.00084003 = 2.5201 BTC [-] {3}

05:26:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1007 @ 0.00084 = 0.8459 BTC [-]

05:27:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.601 = 1.202 BTC [+]

05:42:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.56101902 = 2.2441 BTC [-] {4}

05:43:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-]

05:47:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00089667 = 4.1247 BTC [+]

06:04:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0489999 = 1.47 BTC [+]

06:25:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2908 @ 0.00089706 = 2.6087 BTC [+]

06:51:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00089795 = 4.8489 BTC [+]

06:54:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.0489999 = 1.127 BTC [+]

06:55:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0489999 = 0.294 BTC [+]

07:17:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00089706 = 18.7037 BTC [-]

07:35:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3193 @ 0.00007755 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {29}

07:36:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00007 = 0.56 BTC [-]

07:48:43 gecko_x2: sup :p

07:51:02 herbijudlestoids: snb :b

07:52:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0004805 = 0.4805 BTC [+] {7}

08:16:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1628 @ 0.00007 = 0.114 BTC [-]

08:44:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59496956 BTC [+]

08:45:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59496956 = 1.1899 BTC [+]

08:47:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59496966 = 1.7849 BTC [+]

08:50:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.049 = 0.882 BTC [+]

08:55:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59498964 = 2.38 BTC [+] {2}

08:59:03 Duffer1: .d

08:59:04 ozbot: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 1081 blocks | Estimated Change: 11.6905% in 6d 15h 3m 41s

09:22:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59498963 = 1.785 BTC [-]

09:23:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00283975 = 0.284 BTC [+] {3}

09:36:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3586 @ 0.0008973 = 3.2177 BTC [+]

09:49:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.59499313 = 17.2548 BTC [+] {3}

09:53:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00571479 = 0.4629 BTC [+] {5}

10:03:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00574599 = 0.3333 BTC [+] {2}

10:17:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02751003 = 0.2751 BTC [-] {2}

10:20:12 herbijudlestoids: whos around

10:21:07 herbijudlestoids: credit cards have versible transactions, bitcoins dont. sometimes reversible transactions are provably useful, and arguably go to consumer piece of mind...discuss

10:21:43 herbijudlestoids: is there space in the bitcoin ecomony for some kind of dispute arbitrage over payments?

10:22:29 herbijudlestoids: obviously theres 2 of 3 style transactions, is that adequate? escrowe?

10:25:10 herbijudlestoids: oh too late, already bitrated.com

10:25:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1134 @ 0.00009074 = 0.1029 BTC [-] {3}

10:34:02 punkman: http://porngram.sexualitics.org/?q=mother%2Csister%2Cbrother%2Cfather

10:34:03 ozbot: Porngram

10:53:11 Duffer1: hello

10:53:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.59 = 11.8 BTC [-] {2}

10:53:22 jurov: hi Puffer1

10:54:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.601 = 17.429 BTC [+]

10:58:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00089727 = 8.6138 BTC [-] {2}

11:13:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00089864 = 8.0087 BTC [+] {2}

11:24:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00089706 = 8.2978 BTC [-]

11:24:57 KRS1: Ho

11:28:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol

11:39:23 Namworld: I think I sent an email inquiring about advertising on Bitbet a few months ago. Don't think I ever got an answer on that, come to think of it.

12:15:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02711112 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2}

12:17:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00574705 = 0.1724 BTC [+] {3}

12:18:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00575643 = 0.1151 BTC [+] {3}

12:32:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.00327102 = 1.6355 BTC [-] {13}

12:33:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00545 = 0.1363 BTC [-]

12:37:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00542714 = 0.2931 BTC [-] {5}

12:39:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [+]

12:44:32 mircea_popescu: Namworld that'd be the first time kakobrekla missed one.

12:58:46 mircea_popescu: https://sites.google.com/a/tcilgl.com/paracoin/ << anyone saw this ?

12:58:47 ozbot: paracoin

13:04:45 ThickAsThieves: note that google Sites allow an exploit to autofill hidden forms

13:06:41 mircea_popescu: if you run js.

13:08:20 ThickAsThieves: i dunno, something to do with keychain apps

13:10:52 mircea_popescu: you mean last year's chrome vuln ?

13:13:48 ThickAsThieves: no, the keychain app sees "google.com" in the url, and autofills the hidden form, then youre fed a poll or some such other "submit" button

13:14:16 ThickAsThieves: i may be getting the details wrong but that's the gist of it

13:14:32 mircea_popescu: aha

13:18:56 ThickAsThieves: not sure why paracoin is using goxprice tho

13:19:11 ThickAsThieves: isnt it time to finally cut the cord?

13:19:32 mircea_popescu: cause tvconf is a stubborn self-deluding old timer and etc.

13:29:45 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437931.msg4838062#msg4838062 << mpoe-pr, aka cold ownage.

13:29:47 ozbot: Throw Charlie under the bus and wash your hands clean of your biggest advocate

13:30:53 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00166114 = 0.8306 BTC [-]

13:34:29 ThickAsThieves: what a retarded thread

13:35:07 ThickAsThieves: some community...

13:36:06 Duffer1: i thought the luls were over for the night so i tried to sleep

13:36:19 Duffer1: couldn't sleep, now more luls

13:36:27 mircea_popescu: welcome to bitcoin, where the luls never cease.

13:36:39 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's taaki's thread. what else'd it be

13:37:37 Neil: mircea_popescu: Likely it's been mentioned but bitbet is ~15 hrs behind the blockchain

13:37:41 ThickAsThieves: ah i was trying to suss who was taaki

13:37:46 ThickAsThieves: never knew his forum handle

13:37:56 mircea_popescu: it has ?

13:38:04 mircea_popescu: onoes. kakobrekla ! we're split!

13:38:24 ThickAsThieves: bet No on all the bets!

13:38:36 mircea_popescu: poor kako, prolly went to get his 13 hours of sleep this month

13:38:41 mircea_popescu: result ? Last block: 13 hours 42 minutes ago

13:39:56 ThickAsThieves: taaki is just jealous he had no friends to throw him under a bus, and no bus headed in is direction

13:40:17 Neil: I don't think bitbet gives bettors their true time when it falls behind like this... which is kinda unfair

13:40:38 mircea_popescu: Neil i think it goes by block times

13:40:46 ThickAsThieves: if youre betting 15hours before close, youre probly doing it wrong

13:40:47 mircea_popescu: suppose you bet now. bitbet doesn't know.

13:40:51 Neil: mircea_popescu: I'm 90% sure it doesn't...

13:41:00 mircea_popescu: once the demon restarts and it discovers your bet, it takes the blockstam time.

13:41:02 mircea_popescu: o you are ?

13:41:13 mircea_popescu: well then thanks for bringing it up, shall be checked

13:41:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no but losing 15 hours of weight for no apparent reason hurts across the board

13:42:09 ThickAsThieves: word

13:42:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, genjix used to think himself important, back when bitcoin consisted of me, some decent programmers which mostly meanwhile left, and a bunch of fucktards, just like him

13:42:53 mircea_popescu: he felt like he's friends with "all of bitcoin", a few exceptions notwithstanding.

13:43:17 Duffer1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx4-KHwXOHk

13:43:17 ozbot: Penis Will Make You Slap Somebody (must see) - YouTube

13:43:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile things like interscamgo have been laughed out of the space, and all he's left with is his expertise, which... you know. standup comedyt

13:43:39 ThickAsThieves: UK picks Open Document Format for all government files

13:43:57 Namworld: ...

13:44:00 Namworld: Okay, I'll say it. Who's genjix?

13:44:12 ThickAsThieves: next headline will be: Oracle Buys OpenOffice

13:44:26 mircea_popescu: ;;google amir taaki wikipedia

13:44:27 gribble: Amir Taaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Taaki; Amir Taaki Interview and #Bitcoin 2013 Wrap Up | Jupiter ...: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/37516/amir-taaki-bitcoin-2013-plan-b-7/; Amir Taaki Answers Your Questions About Bitcoin - Slashdot: http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/11/06/22/1737237/amir-taaki-answers-your-questions- (1 more message)

13:44:39 ThickAsThieves: he has a wiki

13:44:40 ThickAsThieves: hehe

13:44:41 Namworld: Ah, Amir

13:45:13 ThickAsThieves: he's Scottish-English Iranian

13:45:26 mircea_popescu: it's better than any uncyclopedia.

13:45:39 ThickAsThieves: he got kicked out of high school for hacking

13:45:54 mircea_popescu: aww shit, they ditched the sasquatch pic.

13:46:03 mircea_popescu: anyone know how to navigate wikipedia history ?

13:47:01 Namworld: ok, I'm out. It's 8 am. It's late.

13:47:33 ThickAsThieves: click View History

13:47:35 ThickAsThieves: ;)

13:47:40 ThickAsThieves: top right

13:49:22 ThickAsThieves: "You may be right, but you can't add negative information about living people to articles unless you have a high-quality source. Internet forums do not meet our definition of the term"

13:49:41 ThickAsThieves: "But it's allowed for positive information? "

13:49:45 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:50:11 truffles: -assets seems to dislike ppl i like woot

13:50:20 mircea_popescu: makes sense tho, if you didn't let random doofus self-report all the nice stuff they think about themselves

13:50:26 mircea_popescu: the butthurt would cover wikipedia.

13:50:36 mircea_popescu: truffles that's because you're an idiot.

13:50:49 truffles: umk

13:50:56 truffles: ure a small dick

13:51:08 ThickAsThieves: oh no he ditnt!

13:51:21 davout: tumbleweed.wav

13:51:25 mircea_popescu: it's not that small.

13:51:43 truffles: well it might as well be

13:51:55 truffles: u try so hard to be the big dick though

13:51:58 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Amir_taaki.jpg

13:52:00 mircea_popescu: ty tat.

13:52:11 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters pula mea

13:52:11 gribble: The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by ... - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/; Wilcoxon tests for mean difference - Deakin University: http://www.deakin.edu.au/buslaw/aef/workingpapers/papers/2011_6.pdf; Stabilization Effects of Fiscal Policy in Croatia: http://www.hnb.hr/dub- (1 more message)

13:52:18 mircea_popescu: google u sux.

13:52:31 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/nsfw-pula-mea/

13:52:32 ozbot: NSFW - Pula mea pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:52:53 truffles: blog spam

13:53:07 ThickAsThieves: so what is Bitcoin Foundation's next move after resigning Shrem?

13:53:08 mircea_popescu: it makes a c0k big!

13:53:16 ThickAsThieves: something to help it's image right?

13:53:22 ThickAsThieves: “We are now witnessing the long-awaited arrival of mainstream online casinos into the bitcoin universe.”~Matonis

13:53:27 mircea_popescu: derp.

13:53:43 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/legal-online-gambling-next-major-bitcoin-market/

13:53:45 mircea_popescu: i would bet the next move is some internal drama with someone leaving in a huff.

13:53:50 mircea_popescu: at least that's how it ususally works.

13:54:27 mircea_popescu: "He proposes a shift away from specialist thinking towards a creative society of generalist knowledge workers."

13:54:31 BingoBoingo: Maybe they will find out Vesseness has a bong? or Hearn?

13:54:34 mircea_popescu: ahahaa o gawdy, that wikipedia article rules.

13:55:05 mircea_popescu: Derplandia! An Utopian Future! by A. A. Fucktardaki

13:55:12 ThickAsThieves: a society of clay pot IPOs

13:55:27 ThickAsThieves: “We are not here to engage in a legal debate, we are here to serve up the very first legitimate workaround to the complex online gambling laws in this US market. We are returning to Americans their freedom to choose and giving them their power back!”

13:55:36 mircea_popescu: i wish this happened, seriously. if you could somehow get all the 20something derps their own fucking country...

13:55:40 mircea_popescu: god it would be so great.

13:55:48 mircea_popescu: in a decade or so we'd go on bimbo safari!

13:56:15 truffles: 20something men everywhere

13:56:20 truffles: sounds like a grand idead

13:56:34 mircea_popescu: men no, but bois and retarded girls, pretty much.

13:57:11 punkman1: mircea_popescu: you just need to build a big boat, they'll come willingly

13:57:18 truffles: lol

13:57:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "and we are conveniently forgetting to mention the other people who have been doing it for years and have much more volume than we everf had even in fiat"

13:57:43 mircea_popescu: "because business can in fact be built upon self-delusion!"

13:58:07 mircea_popescu: punkman1 yeah, but the problem is their parents wouldn't stay put.

13:58:17 mircea_popescu: which is kind-of sad, really.

13:58:22 ThickAsThieves: i like how he defines We Wanna Break the Law as "engage a legal debate"

13:58:53 mircea_popescu: afaik it's not actually illegal, is it ?

13:59:03 ThickAsThieves: in the US?

13:59:06 mircea_popescu: yeah.

13:59:07 ThickAsThieves: if it isnt it will be

13:59:08 truffles: TAT are u still with "the foundation"?

13:59:15 ThickAsThieves: i was never a part

13:59:16 mircea_popescu: wasn't it illegal to process payments ?

13:59:41 truffles: oh

13:59:43 ThickAsThieves: i contemplating joining one day

13:59:44 ThickAsThieves: then i didnt

14:00:04 mircea_popescu: one more can of paint you avoided stepping into.

14:00:32 ThickAsThieves: both feet are occupied anyway :)

14:00:36 mircea_popescu: lol

14:14:17 ThickAsThieves: so if I understand correctly, Cointerra is finally shipping. the 2nd batch of customers getting units along with the 1st batch. The machines are not to spec, but customers get a 15% coupon to buy more of them, as consolation. Refunds in fiat are allowed.

14:14:49 mircea_popescu: that's pretty stellar considering the industry standards.

14:15:51 ThickAsThieves: now that newegg and tigerdirect are selling bitcoin mining kits

14:16:15 ThickAsThieves: it seems a major manufacturer must be contemplating an ASIC soon

14:17:05 mircea_popescu: probably.

14:17:11 mircea_popescu: hopefully nvidia does it.

14:17:58 ThickAsThieves: they may be on a short leash for innovating after these portable gaming things fail

14:18:05 Namworld: Nvidia... miner...

14:18:06 Duffer1: i could see nvidia sha vs amd scrypt

14:18:13 mircea_popescu: manufacture a billion dollar's worth of 100 and 500 watt mining rigs, as stand alone boxes, doing whatever, 5 gh/watt, 2gh/dollar

14:18:32 Namworld: Nvidia Bitcoin Miner...

14:18:42 mircea_popescu: they have the foundries and the engineers to do it.

14:18:44 Namworld: Well one of them is bound to do it eventually

14:18:55 ThickAsThieves: Intel could do 14nm or such

14:19:10 mircea_popescu: amd, nvidia, intel, they can all do it.

14:19:11 Namworld: I mean, the piles of cash thrown at any random new bitcointalk.org user claiming to be developing an ASIC

14:19:20 mircea_popescu: even apple or amazon could do it, if they weren't fucktarded.

14:19:34 ThickAsThieves: or Samsung

14:19:45 punkman: why not AMD?

14:19:57 mircea_popescu: yeah, at least a dozen diff south korean/japanese/hk/etc producers could do it too

14:20:01 ThickAsThieves: AMD is most likely imo

14:20:03 mircea_popescu: punkman i said AMD!

14:20:21 punkman: oh I saw nvidia only

14:20:34 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : if any one was wondering if a wedding was ever made with the bridemaids in the buff : yes, it has. http://31.media.tumblr.com/26a90c55ec607f6fad54984ba75bd875/tumblr_mimvopGYAZ1ru15g3o1_500.jpg

14:20:41 ThickAsThieves: AMD didnt find a safe harbor in mobile

14:20:46 ThickAsThieves: they need another avenue

14:20:50 asciilifeform: if they weren't fucktarded, they'd do it 1) two years ago 2) embedded in run of unrelated IC, antifused out in consumer ver. 3) powered up silently 4) ip-proxied to look like 100,000 lamers with GPUs.

14:20:57 wao-ender: mm

14:21:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no they wouldn't do that.

14:21:05 wao-ender: mircea_popescu: seems you have very intelligent police there http://www.mojevideo.sk/video/f8b5/policia_vs_dvere.html

14:21:12 Namworld: looks like a fun wedding

14:21:13 wao-ender: Politia is romanian afaik?

14:21:36 mircea_popescu: politia, yes.

14:21:45 mircea_popescu: can you summarize the vid ?

14:22:16 wao-ender: they can't open doors for 13 minutes.

14:22:26 mircea_popescu: lol

14:22:40 wao-ender: imho it should be great ad for vendor of secure doors.

14:22:42 mircea_popescu: romanian folklore/jokes usually has the cop as the dummy.

14:23:25 wao-ender: [AD] This door will resists Politia for 13 minutes!

14:23:58 asciilifeform: speaking of which

14:23:59 asciilifeform: http://nsa.gov1.info/

14:23:59 ozbot: The Domestic Surveillance Directorate

14:24:33 ThickAsThieves: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/news/new-3d-printer-by-markforged-can-print-with-carbon-fiber-16428727

14:24:33 ozbot: New 3D Printer by MarkForged Can Print With Carbon Fiber - Popular Mechanics

14:24:43 mircea_popescu: o wow.

14:24:49 ThickAsThieves: ideal for weapons, no?

14:25:12 Namworld: Finally, a printer suitable for those weapons 3d printing blueprint

14:25:49 ThickAsThieves: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."

14:25:57 asciilifeform: let's have /him/ fire with a barrel 'as strong as aluminum', we'll watch.

14:26:12 punkman: is Cody Wilson still doing the 3d-printed gun thing, or is it just Dark Wallets for him now

14:26:26 mircea_popescu: probably just reefer for him now.

14:27:10 mircea_popescu: aluminium is not really that strong, is it ?

14:27:13 mircea_popescu: did he mean duraluminium ?

14:27:23 punkman: there's strong aluminum

14:27:28 Namworld: Imma print myselft a carbon dane axe and a viking helmet (an historically accurate one without horns)

14:27:44 Namworld: Because fuck guns actually

14:27:57 ThickAsThieves: throwing stars and darts for me plz

14:28:04 mircea_popescu: i'll just order dildoes

14:28:11 mircea_popescu: because fuck your wooden horses

14:28:47 asciilifeform: working temperature of printer extruder. max temperature of chamber during firing.

14:30:01 ThickAsThieves: carbon fiber nunchuks!

14:30:02 asciilifeform: seriously, get a desktop CNC mill. it will make anything from a halberg to a schmeisser.

14:30:07 kakobrekla: Namworld, huh? can you tell me which email did you send from. i remember us talking via irc and i dont ignore emails.

14:30:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but not by itself.

14:30:27 Namworld: "It even has a higher strength-to-weight ratio than CNC-machined aluminum."

14:30:32 Namworld: My god...

14:30:50 Namworld: One could do many things with such a printer

14:31:21 Namworld: I'm not sure kakobrekla

14:31:38 Namworld: I'm heading off. Doesn't matter for now anyway.

14:31:47 Namworld: Scrat hasn't been around in a while.

14:31:58 ThickAsThieves: impenetrable fortune cookies!

14:31:59 Namworld: Goodbye.

14:32:35 Namworld: TaT... that's a dickish prank.

14:32:42 Namworld: I like it.

14:33:23 ThickAsThieves: road spikes

14:33:29 Duffer1: you could just use a drill in a wood frame for desktop needs

14:33:32 ThickAsThieves: there's some fun

14:33:55 Duffer1: or a dremel

14:48:53 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> poor kako, prolly went to get his 13 hours of sleep this month

14:48:53 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> result ? Last block: 13 hours 42 minutes ago

14:48:57 kakobrekla: cause im doing it on hand.

14:50:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.598 BTC [-]

14:53:46 mircea_popescu: lol

15:17:14 jurov: ;;bc,tslb

15:17:15 gribble: Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command.

15:17:18 jurov: ;;tslb

15:17:23 gribble: Time since last block: 57 seconds

15:17:25 jurov: ;;bc,stats

15:17:28 gribble: Current Blocks: 283212 | Current Difficulty: 2.193847870174279E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 284255 | Next Difficulty In: 1043 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2440229238.49 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.23056

15:25:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 254 @ 0.00271007 = 0.6884 BTC [-] {4}

15:26:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 548 @ 0.00271002 = 1.4851 BTC [-] {4}

15:27:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 847 @ 0.002701 = 2.2877 BTC [-]

15:30:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00270101 = 0.1486 BTC [+] {2}

15:31:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007266 = 0.1453 BTC [-] {4}

15:32:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2210 @ 0.00044457 = 0.9825 BTC [-] {6}

15:33:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62479999 = 1.2496 BTC [+]

15:41:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.049 = 1.96 BTC [+]

15:41:09 nubbins`: hi

15:41:58 kakobrekla: hi

15:42:10 nubbins`: i'm 32 today :0

15:42:18 kakobrekla: congrats

15:42:25 kakobrekla: many didnt make it this far.

15:42:51 nubbins`: i was about to say "no need, all i did was not die"

15:42:56 asciilifeform: happy bday nubbins`

15:43:01 nubbins`: but you've got a point :(

15:43:10 kakobrekla: hehe

15:43:17 nubbins`: tyvm

15:48:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02947999 = 0.2948 BTC [+] {5}

15:49:23 mircea_popescu: sooo... obama to congress "you're fired". congress gives standing ovation.

15:49:34 mircea_popescu: that country is turning into the fucking bitcointalk of politics, i swear.

15:49:39 mircea_popescu: mostly notable for the comedic relief.

15:53:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00089908 = 6.0238 BTC [+]

15:56:45 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/gxCPkxMN

15:56:46 ozbot: NYDFS Department of Financial Services live meeting on the 28th (today?) and 29 - Pastebin.com

15:56:55 mircea_popescu: if someone still wanted a transcript of the dfs retardation.

15:58:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02989915 = 0.1196 BTC [+] {2}

15:58:20 BingoBoingo: Oh, so much missing from that paste.

16:00:01 mircea_popescu: well yes, it's only a few pages.

16:07:11 BingoBoingo: Doesn't even cover the interesting points. Doesn't even seem to make it past to the first pannel to get to the LTC and VanCleef woman going full Amir

16:07:59 mircea_popescu: well... got a full transcript anywhere ?

16:09:08 BingoBoingo: I've got a bunch of notes on notebook paper I'll prolly move online next week. Going to watch the hearings again to make sure nothing especially lulzy was missed.

16:10:05 mircea_popescu: well you know, if you're gonna do a complete one do a complete one

16:10:07 BingoBoingo: http://www.dfs.ny.gov/insurance/hearing/vc_01282014_indx.htm

16:11:03 mircea_popescu: that's not a transcript tho, just the collection of written matter submitted.

16:11:05 BingoBoingo: has most of the prepared statements now. Looks like to get a full one for the questions, or at lest the interesting questions I might have to make it

16:12:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here's the lulziest of the prepared statements (was read verbatim) http://www.dfs.ny.gov/insurance/hearing/vchearing/van_cleef.pdf

16:12:41 BingoBoingo: I'll paste it as plaintext

16:14:13 BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/1577206/

16:14:13 ozbot: dpaste: #1577206

16:16:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00090009 = 6.0306 BTC [+]

16:27:20 polac: hello i ahve a question please

16:27:22 polac: have*

16:27:49 mircea_popescu: wait, VanCleef was the\re !?

16:27:51 mircea_popescu: polac shoot

16:28:05 polac: thanks

16:28:18 polac: mircea popescu?

16:28:23 polac: bot or human

16:29:56 polac: this is the oficcial acnel for bitbet?

16:31:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Dunno if it IRC VanClef, but it was the girl's name

16:33:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62479997 = 3.124 BTC [-] {2}

16:34:20 polac: some one eee

16:34:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.62497777 = 5.6248 BTC [+] {3}

16:36:27 BingoBoingo: polac this seems to be the best channel for bitbet

16:37:01 polac: ok i have some questions but i dont see lot of activity here

16:37:05 BingoBoingo: What I don't get about the tesitfying Van Cleef is instead of Bitcoin they wanted to discuss:

16:37:07 BingoBoingo: "a company called COEPTIS is preparing to launch the Global Standard System (System) that will issue a medium of exchange called the Global Standard Currency (Currency). This Currency, which will circulate electronically on a closed settlement platform, will be 100% backed by physical gold, providing for freedom from default and fully protecting the holder?s value."

16:37:35 Troic_: polac, it will come (the activity) or you can just ask, perhaps someone else knows the answer.

16:37:57 BingoBoingo: polac: IRC is a slow medium. Put forward the questions and someone should get to them within an hour or day or so

16:39:50 mircea_popescu: polac yes it is.

16:40:17 mircea_popescu: that's the first time someone wanted to know if im a bot ;/

16:40:42 chetty: you aren't?

16:40:46 deadweasel: it's pretty obvious he is.

16:41:19 assbot: his AI is almost as good as mine

16:41:29 deadweasel: well, he's your bot, assbot

16:41:32 jurov: rofl

16:41:41 deadweasel: AI making AI, what has the world come to?!

16:42:29 polac: ok is related a bet on bitbet.us . if i make a BET that is obvius that will win.. .. how i know how much BTC i will get on reward how i make the calc

16:42:48 jurov: polac have you noticed there is a calculator?

16:42:51 polac: is this BET . that left 7 hours .. to end

16:42:55 polac: http://bitbet.us/bet/590/bitcoin-market-capitalization-to-be-above-4-5-billion/

16:42:55 jurov: right on the bet page

16:42:56 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin Market Capitalization to be above 4.5 billion USD on Feb 1st

16:43:14 polac: yes i know that is a calculator. but i dont know if is the clean amount or total amount

16:43:47 polac: here stas say if i put 1 btc i get ---Yes pays: 0.9904118 BTC ----- No pays: 1.04474976 BTC

16:44:05 polac: so if i put 1 btc i get 0.99 + 1 btc investment i get total 1.99 ?

16:44:29 BingoBoingo: polac: You'd get 0.99 total because of betting so late.

16:44:46 polac: so how much i get? bcz calculators say i get 0.99

16:44:56 polac: how much i can get that is what i wanna know

16:45:05 jurov: 0.99btc

16:45:22 BingoBoingo: polac: That's what you'd get. Betting 1.0 BTC would return to you a total of 0.99 BTC

16:45:44 polac: so intstad of win i loss

16:45:47 polac: 0.1 btc?

16:46:03 BingoBoingo: polac: 0.01 BTC, but yes. Because it is a sure thing.

16:46:52 polac: i undersatnd now so the calculator say the total profit i get included the . amount of the bet i pplace + profit?

16:47:00 deadweasel: polac, minus your late betting

16:47:16 deadweasel: meaning you're too late to make money on this bet if you bet yes and win.

16:47:39 deadweasel: you should probabgly wait until the betting is closed, and place it then.

16:47:49 deadweasel: it seems to work out well for people.

16:47:53 deadweasel: they learn LOADS

16:47:55 jurov: in other words, the weight of your bet is less than bitbet fee

16:48:22 polac: another question iwhen i put the (Send winnings to originating address) i dont need to do nothing more. will be automatly send to the wallet from the money come from

16:48:37 polac: ok so its only good when the weight its high?

16:49:11 jurov: yes, that's the principle, bet early, get more

16:49:25 kakobrekla: get a better rate

16:49:28 kakobrekla: yeah

16:50:29 kakobrekla: i dont understand the last question re sending winning to originating address

16:51:04 mircea_popescu: <polac> so how much i get? bcz calculators say i get 0.99 << you get exacty what it says, 0.99

16:51:31 mircea_popescu: deadweasel evil boy!

16:52:04 mircea_popescu: polac IF you run a full node wallet, then yes you control the address, and so will be ok.

16:52:07 jurov: polac: you need a wallet that contains actual private keys (such as bitcoin-qt/multibit/electrum)

16:52:16 mircea_popescu: if however you do not run a full node, then you will be in trouble most likely.

16:52:24 mircea_popescu: use a special address to receive.

16:52:44 kakobrekla: well, blockchain.info wallet is client side rite, so that should work too

16:52:45 polac: i use.. electrum client

16:52:49 polac: its ok?

16:53:09 jurov: yes, with electrum you'll be fine with sending to originating address

16:53:23 mircea_popescu: just make sure you don't delete it/lose that wallet in the meanwhile.

16:53:49 kakobrekla: the bad thing about using same address is that you lose stats

16:53:59 kakobrekla: unless you send from same one each time

16:54:02 mircea_popescu: well maybe to him it's a good thing

16:54:03 kakobrekla: i gues

16:54:07 kakobrekla: s

16:54:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/30/italy-shocked-mafia-fatal-hit-3-year-old-boy/

16:54:56 ozbot: Italy shocked at Mafia's fatal hit of 3-year-old boy - Washington Times

16:55:04 mircea_popescu: The boy, Nicola ?Coco? Campolongo, age 3, was shot along with his grandfather, Giuseppe Iannicelli, and his grandfather?s companion, age 27, CNN reported.

16:57:31 mircea_popescu: gotta love the fucktarded press. "unprecedented" ? these people have perhaps not seen... i dunno, the godfather ?

16:57:38 mircea_popescu: fucking trilogy debuts by kids being killed.

16:59:12 deadweasel: polac: be sure your bet will make it on-time. check for slow transactions, include a transaction fee.

16:59:33 deadweasel: and don't bet more than you can stand to lose. it's gambling, not investing.

16:59:35 polac: that is the trick on bitbet.i

16:59:36 kakobrekla: also check in bitbet footer if the last block was 14 hrs ago

16:59:37 polac: us

16:59:41 deadweasel: also the same goes for investing

16:59:45 polac: fee shouldbee deduce automatic

16:59:58 deadweasel: you should be deduced automatically

17:00:07 polac: its better .. trading i think

17:00:12 polac: pay outs are very small

17:00:25 deadweasel: not if you're early on the correct side of a bet.

17:01:17 polac: somes of you have won a bet lately

17:01:40 kakobrekla: its fairly easy to do 0 fee tx which will always get included in the first found block

17:03:03 deadweasel: that might require reading a document!

17:03:32 kakobrekla: or i can tell you how its done

17:06:06 deadweasel: nah

17:07:08 mircea_popescu: polac http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/

17:07:14 mircea_popescu: yes, some people won some bets recently.

17:07:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC

17:07:52 polac: 16-12-13 19:19 Yes 63`178 1.00000000 13ZmZ 1.17699815

17:08:15 polac: 1 b tc.. bet and get .0.17 in 2 months common

17:08:34 polac: trading that btc just 1.. you can get it in 2 or 2.5 btc in 2 monhts

17:08:54 mircea_popescu: there was a guy who got 0.4 BTC trading 200 ltc in twenty minutes yesterday

17:08:54 ThickAsThieves: huh?

17:09:01 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:09:20 ThickAsThieves: polac, will you be naming ALL the ways one can increase their coins?

17:09:46 ThickAsThieves: then we can exhaustively paint them against betting

17:10:11 ThickAsThieves: or we could save the time and send you to just-dice

17:12:12 mircea_popescu: but the question is valid, ik wonder what's the best return on a bet on bitbet so far

17:12:27 ThickAsThieves: probly the guys who took my 50btc

17:12:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0485 = 0.388 BTC [-]

17:12:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mind running a coupla queries ?

17:13:25 ThickAsThieves: in dollars, probly the 2bn bet, in bitcoins, probly a BFL bet?

17:13:50 mircea_popescu: in bitcoin ofc.

17:13:58 kakobrekla: well, i gotta take my gf out for a walk nao but when i get back sure

17:13:59 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440174.msg4842137#msg4842137 << mwahaha

17:14:01 ozbot: The Emerging Bitcoin Civil War

17:14:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol that sounded pretty hot. take pics.

17:14:35 kakobrekla: lol.

17:17:00 benkay: so guys when my shitty corner of the world falls apart how do i stay hooked into the btc transaction network?

17:17:15 benkay: how, long term, do i keep computers that can broadcast transactions running?

17:17:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

17:19:33 mircea_popescu: can't you just move like everyone else ?

17:20:00 benkay: there's a bet in there!

17:20:14 benkay: on one side, that internet and computers never return to this area

17:20:17 benkay: on the other that they do

17:20:29 ThickAsThieves: just use a secret/encrypted channe;

17:20:30 ThickAsThieves: l

17:20:43 benkay: USA: the next africa?

17:20:55 ThickAsThieves: not in our lifetime

17:20:59 mircea_popescu: it's probably going to be illegal to use encryption in the us soon enough

17:21:11 mircea_popescu: (real encryption. you'll have to use apple/google/ms/w/e)

17:21:11 ThickAsThieves: maybe you are right

17:21:29 ThickAsThieves: if the NSA motto is "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"...

17:21:30 mircea_popescu: it's already illegal to use encryption in the uk.

17:21:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

17:21:47 mircea_popescu: meanwhile my motto is "fuck with me and maybe you'll live to regret it"

17:21:59 mircea_popescu: i wonder which is more appealing to the average person.

17:22:25 benkay: probably the former.

17:22:39 ThickAsThieves: No Trans Fat is more appealling to the avg person

17:22:40 mircea_popescu: i guess we have a political debate to settle huh.

17:22:50 benkay: political debate?

17:23:04 ThickAsThieves: debate!

17:23:15 benkay: more about nature of derpy average humans - most don't care about the tyrant under whom they sweat.

17:23:24 ThickAsThieves: how can we decentralize this problem?

17:23:39 ThickAsThieves: decentralization is always the answer

17:24:14 mircea_popescu: benkay in which case they don't get a vote at all.

17:24:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04500022 = 0.225 BTC [-]

17:24:56 benkay: mircea_popescu: you're all over today man. first it was what's more appealing to the bell curve and now it's about who gets to vote on a thing.

17:25:09 benkay: i thought there was no voting in the future, just the decisions of btcholders.

17:25:25 twizt: lol

17:26:03 ThickAsThieves: he means voting via decisions

17:26:17 jurov: ;;seen pigeons

17:26:17 gribble: pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 19 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <pigeons> should make an exact mpex clone with no new functionality just charge 5% to view it in a bootstrap template

17:27:35 mircea_popescu: lol

17:27:43 mircea_popescu: LANGUAGE BETRAYS ME!

17:27:51 mircea_popescu: let's learn esperanto.

17:30:05 KRS1: lol esperanto

17:30:13 ThickAsThieves: Mi fartas bone.

17:30:23 KRS1: Lord High Potentate would be proud.

17:31:51 pankkake: "it's probably going to be illegal to use encryption" history repeating itself!

17:32:23 pankkake: I remember the stupid laws we had in France, where anything >128 bit was forbidden

17:32:30 benkay: how is the cardano protected from RNG diddling?

17:33:10 pankkake: of course, only big businesses were affected, the software was there for regular people

17:33:30 asciilifeform: benkay: if you can be more specific, you'll get a more interesting answer.

17:34:21 benkay: othis mid-delivery interception of computer bits and pieces to put hardware on 'em before they hit the data center

17:34:26 benkay: argh

17:34:53 benkay: i'm thinking about this mid-delivery interception of computer bits and pieces to put hardware on 'em before they hit the data center in a fashion that the end-customer is generally never wiser

17:34:56 pankkake: hmm… how about a seal?

17:35:14 asciilifeform: pankkake: seals inspire unjustified confidence

17:35:26 asciilifeform: the art of forging seals is centuries old.

17:35:26 benkay: what kind of seal actually works? i'm aware of any.

17:35:33 benkay: unaware*

17:35:33 pankkake: I don't have any knowledge of a foolproof seal

17:35:44 benkay: so what's the point?

17:35:52 deadweasel: feelings

17:35:54 pankkake: well there mihgt be

17:35:55 deadweasel: want to feel secure

17:35:57 pankkake: no

17:36:53 pankkake: perhaps ship the device in two parts?

17:37:00 benkay: man i don't wanna 'feel' secure!

17:38:43 benkay: i want to know how NSA plans to address the in-shipment diddling of computer bits by fiat organizations.

17:38:55 asciilifeform: pankkake: there are two identical rngs (removable.) each is an analogue device, with convenient probe points and a very simple circuit (29 parts, 26 of them passives)

17:39:40 pankkake: I was thinking of some sort of cryptographic seal; you'd have to activate the device in some way

17:39:57 pankkake: of course, I have no idea if it can work

17:40:14 asciilifeform: FW is signed, and users will be encouraged to suck it in and verify the sig

17:40:51 asciilifeform: each unit will also come with a set of high-res photographs of its internals, signed with my personal key.

17:41:19 pankkake: well, that was the best I could come up with when thinking about "signing" the hardware

17:41:40 asciilifeform: the only real defence against an elaborate fake is to actually understand the function of the device

17:41:49 asciilifeform: the way a Pashtun understands his Kalash.

17:41:59 pankkake: it won't prevent tampering by highly qualified bad guys

17:42:19 asciilifeform: a sufficiently qualified enemy deserves your arse.

17:42:56 ThickAsThieves: put anthrax inside, problem solved

17:43:14 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> a sufficiently qualified enemy deserves your arse. <<

17:43:26 mircea_popescu: only if "qualified" = his q - his q.

17:43:36 mircea_popescu: i mean his q - your q.

17:43:36 pankkake: the future is drone delivery with complete video feed of the fly path, with blockchain time proofs!

17:45:47 pankkake: hm, I'm not sure the second part solves anything

17:45:57 pankkake: video feed would be sent to the expeditor, obviously

17:46:04 asciilifeform: there is no 100% defence, even in principle, against a world-class forger

17:46:23 asciilifeform: one can take photos, sufficiently detailed to include imperfections of the pcb, solder joints, etc. and sign them

17:46:38 asciilifeform: but this requires the user to actually give a damn

17:46:52 asciilifeform: and sit with a jeweler's loupe, etc.

17:48:55 pankkake: is there any way to take pictures in a reproducible way?

17:49:12 asciilifeform: pankkake: it depends what you mean by 'reproducible'

17:49:39 pankkake: the images would then be comparable by a machine

17:49:56 asciilifeform: if you are considering a machine for the comparison, you are in a state of sin.

17:50:22 benkay: there is also the glitter fingernail polish approach

17:50:32 ThickAsThieves: it could be done sorta

17:50:42 asciilifeform: the idiots are 'wired' almost certainly stole that one from this channel.

17:50:43 ThickAsThieves: get a lightbox, calibrate the camera mount placement

17:50:57 pankkake: that was my idea, yes

17:52:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 90 @ 0.24310363 = 21.8793 BTC

17:53:34 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/hDR8YZhv << i loled.

17:53:34 ozbot: octopus Mike Hearn defaced bitcoinBull Inaba QuantPlus Raoul Duke cryptoa - Pastebin.com

17:54:13 pankkake: interestingly I had Mike Hearn without knowing anything about his function

17:54:26 pankkake: function as in "official title"

17:54:28 ThickAsThieves: someone's ignore list?

17:54:46 pankkake: mine

17:54:49 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pankkake's idea of a blog.

17:54:57 pankkake: haha

17:54:59 ThickAsThieves: hehe

17:55:15 pankkake: short term project is to stop forums and blog more

17:55:23 mircea_popescu: it DOES have css, so.

17:55:25 pankkake: I basically replaced a forum I got banned from by another

17:56:17 ThickAsThieves: kako should just add a blog section to the #b-a website

17:56:26 ThickAsThieves: then let channers post

17:56:29 mircea_popescu: so i just crafted a double bacon burger. sadly, it can't be eaten.

17:56:35 pankkake: you can create a "planet"

17:56:40 mircea_popescu: dude this isn't such a horrid idea.

17:56:56 pankkake: as in http://planet.debian.org/

17:56:57 mircea_popescu: post via assbot, only let ppl in its wot post.

17:57:09 ThickAsThieves: itd work way better than all of us trying to start our own thing

17:57:26 mircea_popescu: collective blog.

17:57:36 benkay: sounds socialist

17:57:37 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it'd work cheaper, not sure better.

17:58:00 pankkake: benkay: yeah. that's why planet's better; everyone blogs how he sees fits, the planet aggregates

17:58:01 ThickAsThieves: the marketer in me thinks itd be better all around

17:58:09 ThickAsThieves: save fraudsters

17:58:10 asciilifeform: next thing we know, we're all moving into a cult commune with a hundred years of canned food and auto-turrets...

17:58:14 ThickAsThieves: which does pretty good

17:58:18 benkay: auto turrets for all!

17:58:23 pankkake: so readers go to one place if they wish, but bloggers are where they want

17:58:55 ThickAsThieves: so a feed reader, curated

17:59:03 ThickAsThieves: rather, filtered

17:59:04 pankkake: yes

17:59:11 ThickAsThieves: or both

17:59:24 ThickAsThieves: but curated sounds so centralixed

17:59:29 benkay: i don't want readers who can't subscribe to an rss feed on their own

17:59:44 benkay: shit, i don't want readers who don't curate their own reading lists!

17:59:45 ThickAsThieves: yknow chrome doesnt make it easy

17:59:48 pankkake: I know a blog that has *only* a RSS feed

17:59:59 ThickAsThieves: i know blogs that dnt have em at all

18:00:37 benkay: cryptome doesn't have an rss feed for that matter

18:01:17 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> next thing we know, we're all moving into a cult commune with a hundred years of canned food and auto-turrets... >>> and nudity for womenz under 35 ?

18:01:22 asciilifeform: ya

18:01:27 pankkake: maddox.xmission.com used to not have one, too

18:01:37 ThickAsThieves: you could also implement the fraudsters blog fees

18:01:46 ThickAsThieves: to support assbot's family

18:01:49 ThickAsThieves: and the writers

18:01:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, buncha people have blogs, which imo is the best thing.

18:02:05 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: would be interesting to see a widget like 'metafilter' with a 1btc entry.

18:02:09 mircea_popescu: but for the lazy bums a global stopgap can't hurt

18:02:09 pankkake: "Assets Assimilated"

18:02:25 mircea_popescu: this way we get best of both worlds, all sorts of social phenomena on shared blogs

18:02:34 ThickAsThieves: in this sense i am indeed a lazy bum

18:02:46 ThickAsThieves: occassionally an urge to tell a tale

18:02:50 ThickAsThieves: but to make a blog?

18:02:53 ThickAsThieves: to get readers?

18:02:54 ThickAsThieves: meh

18:02:55 mircea_popescu: in other words : public fucking and private fucking aren't even the same fucking. they don't replace each other.

18:03:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves forget the readers, who cares.

18:03:08 pankkake: creating a blog is easy. wordpress.com, done

18:03:38 ThickAsThieves: i happen to believe that art is for the viewer, not the creator

18:03:42 mircea_popescu: this novel nuttery with the readers. who cared, cca 1970, when telling a joke, how many people in the office were gathered round ?

18:03:57 mircea_popescu: it's like "o dan's joke was so much better, even sammy from the mailroom was here"

18:04:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.620012 = 3.1001 BTC [-] {3}

18:04:43 ThickAsThieves: its sharing of experience, it has value beyond its own existence

18:05:08 ThickAsThieves: thus the more it is consumed, the more impact it has

18:05:24 benkay: moreover, its mostly the firm's partners that the joke is intended for, not the typists and accountants.

18:05:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe your readers all live in 2200. how do yu know ?

18:05:53 mircea_popescu: art can be for the viewer, but that doesn't necessarilyu mean google analytics is meaningful.

18:06:07 ThickAsThieves: i thought you were more existential?

18:06:16 ThickAsThieves: like you care about 2200

18:07:10 mircea_popescu: i don't. i also don't care about readers as such.

18:07:15 ThickAsThieves: i also believe in creating an environment of facilitation

18:07:17 mircea_popescu: we're discussing your view here

18:07:45 ThickAsThieves: if you want a flower to grow, maybe plant a seed

18:07:50 ThickAsThieves: hell, maybe you even water it!

18:08:07 mircea_popescu: dude, if you got a seed plant it already, forget the flower. what, keep it in your pocket till it becomes lint ?

18:08:30 ThickAsThieves: well i did say it was a lazy idea

18:08:48 benkay: what's the best time to plant a tree?

18:08:52 benkay: twenty years ago.

18:08:58 benkay: what's the second best time to plant a tree?

18:09:00 benkay: today.

18:09:05 mircea_popescu: the big loser in all of this is, of course,

18:09:07 ThickAsThieves: not 19 years ago?

18:09:07 mircea_popescu: kako.

18:09:09 mircea_popescu: it's like...

18:09:21 mircea_popescu: "hey, implement this thing ? " "may i spend some time with my girl ? " "ok"

18:09:27 ThickAsThieves: lol

18:09:30 mircea_popescu: comes back... hey, we got 43987593485 more things to implement.

18:09:38 mircea_popescu: DARE YOU take off ever again ?

18:09:54 ThickAsThieves: then he gets mad at the girl "see what happens!"

18:10:02 mircea_popescu: poor chick ends up with irish sunglasses...

18:10:11 mircea_popescu: "all i did is walk!"

18:10:20 ThickAsThieves: walk yourself next time!

18:10:30 mircea_popescu: here's the leash, you got hands, go walk!

18:11:12 ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: would be interesting to see a widget like 'metafilter' with a 1btc entry. <<<< i recall at least a couple "idea men" saying theyd make similar things

18:11:31 ThickAsThieves: also, i think mjr has a micro blog payment thingy

18:11:37 ThickAsThieves: blottery?

18:11:53 ThickAsThieves: incentivized reading or such

18:12:27 ThickAsThieves: in the past i suggested similar,

18:12:39 pankkake: I used to have a bot posting RSS feed updates to channels, but it was some Ruby crap and blew up

18:12:55 ThickAsThieves: run a service that holds like .1 btc for you in an account, it runs a chrome plugin,

18:12:59 pankkake: but that kind of stuff is quite useful

18:13:04 ThickAsThieves: it autopays in blog fees while urfing

18:13:14 ThickAsThieves: and gives you a popup if over a certain price

18:13:18 ThickAsThieves: to approve

18:13:32 ThickAsThieves: frictionless micropayments

18:13:41 pankkake: that's how the web should have been

18:13:47 pankkake: instead of advertising everywhere

18:13:54 mircea_popescu: ^

18:14:04 ThickAsThieves: well it will

18:14:09 mircea_popescu: as i said! fucktards were allowed on the web before payments were put in, fucked everyhing up

18:14:16 ThickAsThieves: the advertising thing is almost fully milked

18:15:00 pankkake: isn't advertising one of the first things to be cut, when companies have financial troubles?

18:15:11 ThickAsThieves: small biz

18:15:14 ThickAsThieves: not big biz

18:15:27 pankkake: oh, I thought it was

18:15:43 ThickAsThieves: its backwards, yeah

18:15:54 ThickAsThieves: small biz cuts the thing they need most

18:16:45 ThickAsThieves: its very difficult for small biz to interpret value from marketing

18:16:55 mircea_popescu: or to avoid being scammed by marketeers.

18:17:02 ThickAsThieves: was my next point

18:17:16 mircea_popescu: last thing a small biz needs is to try and fucking compete with the government-backed wasters.

18:17:17 ThickAsThieves: they are bombarded with "opportunities"

18:17:25 ThickAsThieves: a small biz gets burned repeatedly

18:17:29 mircea_popescu: whenever i hear of a start-up working on a superbowl ad...

18:17:47 ThickAsThieves: and then when they finally bump into someone that can actually help them, they have lost all faith

18:18:01 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, after talking about advertising yest i got some pretty interesting info... seems superbowl is also pretty much dead.

18:18:06 mircea_popescu: they can barely sell tickets anymore.

18:18:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.615 = 2.46 BTC [-]

18:19:09 ThickAsThieves: bitbet shall transcend sports after all then

18:19:56 ThickAsThieves: bets on superbowl advertisoing revenue are way more fun anyway

18:20:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.04899999 = 2.94 BTC [+] {2}

18:20:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00350877 = 0.1053 BTC [-] {2}

18:21:21 mircea_popescu: lol

18:21:43 mircea_popescu: "My name is Manthan, but you can call me nahtnam."

18:21:47 mircea_popescu: people today!

18:22:39 mircea_popescu: and unrelatedly... "50 percent of physicians reporting that they?ve consulted wikipedia for information on health conditions."

18:22:47 mircea_popescu: nofucking woder health insurance is so expensive.

18:23:31 ThickAsThieves: the other 50% use webmd

18:24:02 mircea_popescu: lol

18:24:21 twizt: time to pretend to be a doctor

18:24:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC

18:26:44 mircea_popescu: i imagine for every person getting scammed by some bitcoin ceo

18:26:55 mircea_popescu: there's 100 or 1k patients beinbg scammed by some webdoctor

18:28:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-] {2}

18:29:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]

18:30:29 benkay: far better to have a friend who's been through the american nursing training

18:30:43 benkay: than visit a hospital and have to trust some 'doctor'

18:30:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04500022 = 0.225 BTC [-]

18:31:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04500022 = 0.225 BTC [-]

18:40:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

18:42:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02989907 = 0.1495 BTC [-]

18:43:04 pankkake: http://assass.headfucking.net/

18:43:12 ozbot: Assets Assimilated

18:46:27 ThickAsThieves: nice

18:46:40 ThickAsThieves: the url is a bit... abrasive

18:46:41 pankkake: ~10 minute setup :)

18:47:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58301004 BTC [-]

18:47:05 pankkake: I'd take any virtual host given, say planet.bitcoin-assets.com

18:48:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02989907 = 0.1794 BTC [-]

18:49:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02989907 = 0.1794 BTC [-]

18:55:08 mircea_popescu: assass lol

18:55:36 pankkake: ;;ud buttbuttinate

18:55:37 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buttbuttinate | buttbuttinate. The word "assassinate" after it has been mangled by a particularly stupid censor. It is a shame we still aren't sure who buttbuttinated JFK. He was in  ...

18:55:38 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: buttbuttinate

18:59:13 ThickAsThieves: is there a transcript of all the NY hearings?

19:00:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20233 @ 0.00089612 = 18.1312 BTC [-] {2}

19:01:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 417 @ 0.00089601 = 0.3736 BTC [-]

19:03:36 ThickAsThieves: https://citp.princeton.edu/event/andresen/

19:03:37 ozbot: Gavin Andresen ’88 is Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation and lead developer of the Bitcoin

19:05:11 ThickAsThieves: this from a bitcoin magazine ad: http://bankinnovation.info/

19:05:39 ThickAsThieves: invitation only

19:05:48 ThickAsThieves: but advertises on bitcoin mag?

19:05:55 ThickAsThieves: Bank Innovation 2014 will be a forum for executives and innovators to collaborate and share ideas to improve customer acquisition and retention through new products and strategies.

19:06:42 ThickAsThieves: ha there is a different Neo presenting

19:07:04 ThickAsThieves: Navin is founder and CEO of Neo, a startup that aims to disrupt credit risk assessment of thin-credit and sub-prime consumers by leveraging alternative credit data.

19:08:14 pankkake: Neo & Buzzwords

19:08:27 mircea_popescu: apparently all noobs have to go through the same wringer

19:08:32 mircea_popescu: be they princes or paupers.

19:08:39 mircea_popescu: whatever, bitcoin is here to cater.

19:14:21 ThickAsThieves: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304691904579348791505926788

19:14:22 ozbot: Perkinsnacht - WSJ.com

19:14:57 ThickAsThieves: i learned a new word, commentariat, thanks wsj!

19:15:48 deadweasel: chief scientist?!?!

19:16:48 KRS1: sup, chief

19:17:09 ThickAsThieves: chief scientist get many wampum

19:18:10 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> but the question is valid, ik wonder what's the best return on a bet on bitbet so far

19:18:17 kakobrekla: 5758.8%

19:18:45 mike_c: anticipation..

19:19:02 kakobrekla: hm?

19:19:05 mike_c: link??

19:19:16 mike_c: who won the lotto?

19:19:25 kakobrekla: well i guess anyone can compile this list since all the stuff is public

19:19:29 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/winnersgains.txt

19:20:27 mike_c: hm, but hard to tell which bet the wagers were on, right?

19:20:40 mike_c: ^ derp

19:20:42 kakobrekla: Bet #1834 on #277: 0.01000000 B in, 0.58588048 B out, 0.57588048 B gain (5758.8%)

19:21:00 mike_c: yeah, i glanced over the "on #277" somehow

19:21:03 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/277/

19:21:04 ozbot: BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013

19:21:06 kakobrekla: and more

19:21:14 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/277/#1834

19:21:15 ozbot: BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013

19:21:21 kakobrekla: hm

19:21:24 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/277/#b1834

19:21:25 ozbot: BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013

19:21:29 mike_c: 277 was a special bet though

19:21:30 kakobrekla: still no

19:21:48 kakobrekla: a wait you cant do that

19:22:25 ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/277/#b2

19:22:26 ozbot: BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013

19:22:35 kakobrekla: ok well we can exclude that one if ya want

19:22:54 kakobrekla: if you throw it oout

19:22:56 kakobrekla: you get

19:22:56 kakobrekla: Bet #161 on #42: 0.03000000 B in, 0.69300000 B out, 0.66300000 B gain (2210%)

19:23:17 mike_c: that was a house bet. i'm curious what the best gain on a user bet was. i'll look through.

19:23:23 kakobrekla: grrr

19:23:40 kakobrekla: cant satisfy assets

19:23:56 mike_c: a demanding bunch.

19:24:14 ThickAsThieves: that's best in %, what's best in coin qty?

19:24:27 kakobrekla: but house bet 'out' can go to user mike_c

19:24:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.02957418 = 0.9759 BTC [-] {4}

19:24:43 mike_c: true

19:25:23 kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves hm you mean most coin won or biggest gain?

19:25:27 kakobrekla: hm

19:25:31 kakobrekla: well gains you got ther

19:25:44 kakobrekla: you want biggest bet or what

19:26:15 ThickAsThieves: most coin won

19:26:20 ThickAsThieves: by one bet

19:26:44 kakobrekla: so biggest gain in btc amount, not by percentage

19:27:12 kakobrekla: or biggest 'out' ?

19:27:41 ThickAsThieves: biggest gain

19:27:57 ThickAsThieves: i can probly just put this in a spreadsheet and sort

19:29:34 kakobrekla: 1 sec

19:29:54 mike_c: this might be it. over 1000% return, not bad.

19:29:55 mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/8/#b4

19:29:56 ozbot: BitBet - Higgs boson support

19:30:52 ThickAsThieves: Bet #496 on #7: 100.00000000 B in 198.99762832 B out 98.99762832 B gain (99%)

19:31:25 mike_c: yeah, but you have to multiply the BTC x the exchange rate at the time :)

19:31:34 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/winnersgainsbtc.txt

19:31:37 kakobrekla: i think.

19:31:43 ThickAsThieves: idc about exchange rate

19:31:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [-]

19:32:35 ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/7/#b36

19:32:36 ozbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st

19:32:37 ThickAsThieves: that guy

19:33:04 ThickAsThieves: 321.65447788btc gain

19:33:08 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/stats/1AnUirXjTtaV5gsS5B51zTFjj4aa8rhaST/

19:33:11 kakobrekla: now you can follow him

19:37:13 ThickAsThieves: looks all funded from MPEx

19:38:58 kakobrekla: dunno talk to mpex re that :)

19:40:08 ThickAsThieves: scams!

19:40:38 ThickAsThieves: https://blockchain.info/address/1LSLFzSMD1ZDSiNV1bvJm9QNj1EhnC49eg

19:40:39 ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1LSLFzSMD1ZDSiNV1bvJm9QNj1EhnC49eg

19:42:58 kakobrekla: whats that?

19:43:48 ThickAsThieves: the IN tx

19:44:07 kakobrekla: anyway, if someone wanted to hide something, it isnt particularly hard

19:44:20 ThickAsThieves: from mpexy wallet to bitbet

19:44:33 kakobrekla: so someone made a bet with making a withdrawal on mpex

19:44:55 ThickAsThieves: probly

19:45:36 kakobrekla: >I fully believe we need to hire a PR manager, as my time can be much more effectively used actually working on things as opposed to maintaining this thread.

19:45:43 kakobrekla: doing what zactly, jerking off to free porn?

19:46:27 ThickAsThieves: who said that?

19:46:40 kakobrekla: that hard?

19:46:51 ThickAsThieves: Ukyo?

19:46:59 kakobrekla: the name starts with garr and ends with retard

19:47:07 ThickAsThieves: oh, he still talks?

19:47:10 kakobrekla: yea.

19:47:16 pankkake: I know but I read it before. anyway, those PR guys are useless if they're just remote random forum users with no info

19:47:34 ThickAsThieves: useless in the honest sense, at least

19:47:39 pankkake: what he really needs is a guy to take over the business

19:47:41 kakobrekla: he needs to be raped by niggers.txt, not a pr person.

19:47:47 pankkake: in the honest sense?

19:48:01 ThickAsThieves: well hiring a PR is a great move for a scammer

19:48:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02941176 = 0.3529 BTC [-]

19:48:09 kakobrekla: pankkake there is no business there

19:48:19 ThickAsThieves: especially if you hire a populare forumite

19:48:22 kakobrekla: nothing to 'take over'

19:48:27 kakobrekla: except pile of shit and scam

19:48:30 kakobrekla: whod want taht

19:48:37 pankkake: the mining hardware, the coins

19:48:40 ThickAsThieves: ans especiallu if hiring means getting paid in shares

19:48:46 kakobrekla: he lost a bunch of coin

19:48:48 kakobrekla: doing stupid shit

19:48:59 kakobrekla: he baiscally defaulted

19:49:01 pankkake: well, yeah

19:49:04 kakobrekla: and will pay out of his own pocket, he says

19:49:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02820002 = 0.3102 BTC [-] {2}

19:49:17 kakobrekla: but the diff will go to 50410 billion trillion zillion

19:49:22 kakobrekla: and he wont pay shit.

19:50:04 ThickAsThieves: i guess these scams will exist til the diff calms down

19:50:14 ThickAsThieves: its just too easy

19:50:28 kakobrekla: >alincoln, I do realize that that would be the best case scenario for you. However, please acknowledge that I am taking a heavy loss on this one, so please accept a full refund of your initial investment Plus all dividends up to the last one that was paid. With that case, you've still made more money than just holding coins, which is pretty damn good.

19:50:30 ThickAsThieves: even now, people paying .65 for AM shares?!

19:50:33 kakobrekla: sounds zactly like inaba

19:50:42 kakobrekla: whos dick he was sucking not a few months ago.

19:50:58 kakobrekla: maybe sperms got in his brain

19:51:02 kakobrekla: and now this.

19:58:01 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell polac here's a list : http://bitbet.us/bet/42/#b2 (2.2k%), http://bitbet.us/bet/380/#b5 1.5k%, http://bitbet.us/bet/8/#b3 1k% etc

19:58:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:59:56 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> what he really needs is a guy to take over the business << pankkake has a point there.

20:00:23 mircea_popescu: buncha derps with no business want to hire pr ? pr to do what. what they need is someone to take over their LIFE

20:00:26 mircea_popescu: like, a parent.

20:00:39 pankkake: well, given his age…

20:00:44 mircea_popescu: ikr?

20:00:56 mircea_popescu: "the internet is not your daycare, ma'am"

20:01:07 mircea_popescu: instead of "protecting children"

20:01:12 mircea_popescu: fuck children. protect the adults.

20:01:15 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> <pankkake> what he really needs is a guy to take over the business << pankkake has a point there. << no biz, no point.

20:01:18 pankkake: why do you guys hate him so much though?

20:01:21 deadweasel: maybe you should start S.BDEV, offering consultants for a % of business improvement profits.

20:01:30 mircea_popescu: i dun hate him.

20:01:43 ThickAsThieves: i dont cqare enough to hate

20:01:53 mircea_popescu: deadweasel cheaper to just remake their "busness" properly.

20:01:56 ThickAsThieves: but i even tried leveling with him privately

20:01:59 deadweasel: oh ya

20:02:02 mircea_popescu: nobody goes around fixing bad hamburgers som,eone overcooked

20:02:05 ThickAsThieves: and all he did was beg to have his trust fixed

20:02:10 kakobrekla: its just the most straight forward scamfest to troll

20:02:12 ThickAsThieves: and when i said no, he negrated me

20:02:26 ThickAsThieves: just a scammer

20:02:51 mircea_popescu: http://devotionalsex.com/tumblr_lvhosf4H281qzn5vfo1_500.jpg

20:03:14 kakobrekla: i thought that middle girl has amish beard for a sec

20:03:31 ThickAsThieves: hehe me too

20:03:33 mircea_popescu: lmao

20:06:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62280186 BTC [+]

20:07:31 pankkake: http://devotionalsex.com/ totally not a cult

20:07:31 ozbot: Devotional Sex

20:08:30 mircea_popescu: it's a splendid idea, what. chicks getting dorks to lap them up and drool a lot.

20:11:28 punkman: "Lite Devotional Sex is for men who like most things about Devotional Sex, but are unwilling to meet the tough ejaculation restrictions of full Devotional Sex. "

20:11:56 kakobrekla: http://bou.si/4c/1391107866837.jpg

20:12:50 mircea_popescu: lol

20:14:42 mircea_popescu: you know, for the record : as weird as it may seem, this has been mainstream sexuality since about queen victoria up until 1970-1980.

20:14:58 lippoper: what is up with the cars in subway?

20:15:00 mircea_popescu: only the introduction of effective cheap contraception and the rise of porn broke it up and sent the woman back on her knees

20:15:07 lippoper: kakobrekla

20:15:23 kakobrekla: lippoper i wont spoil the fun.

20:16:09 ThickAsThieves: it's reverting

20:16:27 ThickAsThieves: men want their mommies back

20:16:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0056 = 0.4368 BTC [-] {2}

20:17:06 lippoper: http://imgur.com/1MIysmP

20:17:06 ozbot: Vault of Satoshi, 24 h Trading volume - Imgur

20:17:19 mircea_popescu: certainly has a solid bedrock of interest.

20:17:36 mircea_popescu: and tbh... nttawwi.

20:18:26 ThickAsThieves: ;;ud nttawwi

20:18:26 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/add.php | Write for a large audience. Lots of people will read this, so give some background information. Don't name your friends. We'll reject inside jokes and definitions ...

20:18:50 mircea_popescu: not that there's anything wrong with it

20:19:10 ThickAsThieves: word

20:19:13 benkay: here's to setting women back on their knees

20:19:29 benkay: mine's crocheting a 'kneeling rug'

20:19:33 mircea_popescu: benkay careful you don't bit more than you can chew :D womenz can be a handful.

20:19:46 benkay: dem hardwood floors

20:19:49 benkay: yeah man i know!

20:19:59 kakobrekla: womenz can be a handful. < is that a handjob reference?

20:20:09 mircea_popescu: lol

20:20:13 KRS1: Bait:

20:20:13 KRS1: http://i.imgur.com/klA7PdP.jpg

20:20:15 benkay: but the most handfully they've ever gotten with me was when i wasn't regularly putting them on their knees.

20:20:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how was the walk anyway

20:20:28 kakobrekla: very snowy

20:20:34 kakobrekla: got bout 40cm here

20:20:41 mircea_popescu: it's pleasant here, like maybe 5.

20:20:49 kakobrekla: its nice, clean and quiet

20:20:50 kakobrekla: but

20:20:53 kakobrekla: reminds of apple too much.

20:21:02 mircea_popescu: lol KRS1 you get points for clever shilling at least.

20:30:00 KRS1: .bait

20:30:01 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/6d4afc1cbeee08253375423ffe6cffe4/tumblr_mf3pjbe74Z1qaurevo1_1280.jpg

20:30:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.58279556 = 5.2452 BTC [-] {5}

20:31:42 lippoper: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb11jieuGj1qgn6feo1_500.jpg

20:31:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.580258 = 1.7408 BTC [-] {3}

20:31:53 lippoper: http://www.dcmagnates.com/dogecoin-and-quarkcoin-hot-other-altcoins-not-on-first-day-vault-of-satoshi-trading/

20:31:54 ozbot: Dogecoin and Quarkcoin Hot, Other Altcoins Not, on First Day Vault of Satoshi Trading – Digital Cu

20:32:17 lippoper: 24hours in Vault of Satoshi | Some noteworthy statistics:

20:32:40 lippoper: 88% of trading was performed in USD, Bitcoin was the most traded crypto, combining for $19.4k, or 48% of the total dollar volume. In a not-too-distant 2nd was Dogecoin, combining for $14.1k, or 35% of the total volume. No other cryptos came remotely close. Litecoin was a distant 4th, posting just $2100 in total dollar volume.

20:33:06 mircea_popescu: why is this noteworthy ?

20:34:38 lippoper: That's what the article said

20:34:48 lippoper: Are you telling me the news is lieing to me?

20:34:55 lippoper: lulz

20:35:01 pankkake: how do you get fiat in and out of VoS?

20:35:21 mircea_popescu: im telling you there's no way to distinguish random scammy "exchange" #854687 from all the others and nobody really cares what alt coin traded five grand more than which other altcoin

20:36:15 lippoper: cool

20:36:34 lippoper: pankkake, they have a verification system

20:36:52 lippoper: takes 3 days for bank transfers to clear

20:37:02 pankkake: so it's bank transfers. good

20:37:06 mircea_popescu: you in any way involved?

20:37:20 mircea_popescu: anyone here know the DrahogErusiel forum character incidentally ?

20:37:26 lippoper: no just heard about it yesterday

20:37:45 lippoper: that VOS is based in Canada, where they are treating virtual currencies as a commodity

20:37:57 lippoper: so it should be legal and taxable over there

20:38:06 mircea_popescu: commodities are taxed in canada ?

20:38:32 lippoper: aren't all commodities taxed?

20:38:45 mircea_popescu: i think you may be confused.

20:39:12 mircea_popescu: dja mean like a sales tax ?

20:39:15 KRS1: fawk lippoper nice bait..much love

20:39:17 lippoper: yeah

20:39:52 mircea_popescu: perhaps. all previous canadian exchanges ended up turning kinda shady so it never really got tested.

20:39:56 lippoper: KRS1 wasn't as good as your last one... ;-)

20:40:19 KRS1: i'll trade ya

20:40:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you there ? or anyone wanna escrow some painting comission for me ?

20:40:41 lippoper: mp, i'm not sure how it all works to be honest, but from what I understand Canada gives businesses more confidence to deal in virtual currencies because at least they've defined it as a commodity.

20:40:51 KRS1: mircea_popescu: I have not yet been rated

20:41:06 mircea_popescu: sux.

20:43:54 deadweasel: nubbins`: you declaring your btc?

20:44:48 lippoper: KRS

20:44:52 lippoper: best bait yet http://25.media.tumblr.com/1926b2a2629f17a11ca05eb744365556/tumblr_mifmddq6CL1rkhr4mo1_500.jpg

20:45:16 twizt: nicee

20:45:21 twizt: only the one in the middle and left

20:47:06 pankkake: I'd take middle and right

20:47:34 KRS1: Mmm nice

20:47:36 deadweasel: i'm using my imagination (at work), i'll take the top 6

20:47:51 KRS1: left boobs too big

20:48:15 pankkake: no such thing

20:48:15 KRS1: deadweasel: theres left mid and right

20:48:24 KRS1: i like mid and right

20:49:42 deadweasel: it's like i'm 13 again!

20:49:45 lippoper: i'll take one for the team and grab the big boobed girl on the left

20:49:49 lippoper: lol

20:49:51 deadweasel: kind man, lippoper

20:49:59 lippoper: such wingman

20:50:00 mircea_popescu: the fountain of ircyouth

20:50:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04899999 = 0.196 BTC [+]

20:50:14 lippoper: very motorboat

20:50:19 lippoper: wow

20:52:04 KRS1: lol

20:52:36 KRS1: wonder what sex games can be driven by btc

20:53:16 Dimsler_: i tried to buy pimpcoin

20:53:22 Dimsler_: from the creater

20:53:25 Dimsler_: refused to sell it to me

20:53:47 twizt: lol

20:54:29 mircea_popescu: why ?

20:54:37 KRS1: need something with the allure of sex, addiction of dice and the ease of payment of BTC.

20:54:49 twizt: win a escort KRS1

20:54:50 Dimsler_: to have all the whores and johns using it?

20:55:04 twizt: box bet for escorts

20:55:07 KRS1: Heroin delivery by late night Bait?

20:55:16 twizt: fill the box

20:55:18 twizt: winner gets 3 hrs

20:55:22 twizt: with XYZ pornstar

20:55:29 twizt: = business

20:55:29 twizt: LOL

20:55:30 Dimsler_: sex industry is going to be the next step for btc

20:55:36 KRS1: not bad i have some contacts for that hmm

20:55:40 KRS1: just local tho

20:55:46 twizt: use a site like eros

20:55:48 mircea_popescu: sex industry is kinda thick, kinda dead and doesn't really need a special coin

20:55:50 mircea_popescu: nor could they use it.

20:55:52 Dimsler_: pimpcoin is genious

20:55:53 KRS1: i know the guy who bought bitcoin.xxx

20:55:57 Dimsler_: if you went on the backpage

20:55:59 twizt: international yo

20:56:02 Dimsler_: and started advertising it to girls

20:56:07 Dimsler_: you'd probably get some users

20:56:09 Dimsler_: imagine if your a whore

20:56:12 Dimsler_: and offer to take btc?

20:56:16 Dimsler_: imagine the traffic you'd get

20:56:18 twizt: lol

20:56:19 Dimsler_: from the advertising alone

20:56:29 twizt: pay ur hoes with pimp coin

20:56:30 Dimsler_: it'll be like overstock.com

20:56:30 KRS1: mircea_popescu: the porn industry does NOT have a way to take micropayments

20:56:37 Dimsler_: except no shitty lawnchairs

20:56:38 mircea_popescu: Dimsler_ you obviously missed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435750.msg4796386#msg4796386

20:56:38 assbot: 123!

20:56:53 mircea_popescu: KRS1 or any product those micropayments'd be for.

20:57:05 KRS1: damn

20:57:10 KRS1: i guess

20:57:10 Dimsler_: mircea_popescu, in most countries whores have pimps

20:57:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00283294 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3}

20:57:25 Dimsler_: and a smart pimp should be on the btc bandwagon

20:57:33 Dimsler_: for monetary control of his steed of whores

20:57:37 mircea_popescu: pimps will take anything you pay them.

20:57:42 Dimsler_: think about it, they can't skim from the pimp

20:57:54 Dimsler_: the pimp controls the transaction

20:58:00 mircea_popescu: you ever been one ?

20:58:06 Dimsler_: he can chronologically time stamp the whores whereabouts

20:58:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 685 @ 0.00283576 = 1.9425 BTC [+] {3}

20:58:16 Dimsler_: no

20:58:33 mircea_popescu: well, do you hang out / go drinking with any ?

20:58:40 twizt: KRS1 are u a dev?

20:58:43 Dimsler_: guys that run girls?

20:58:55 Dimsler_: i try not to associate with the dreges of society

20:58:58 Dimsler_: if thats what you're implying

20:59:03 mircea_popescu: then why do you try to solve their problems ?

20:59:13 Dimsler_: for my own personal gain obviously

20:59:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.0028399 = 0.1051 BTC [+]

20:59:23 Dimsler_: to collect me 3% on pimpcoin

20:59:25 Dimsler_: or other

20:59:26 mircea_popescu: yes, but the problem is it all stems from your own personal delusion, i'd say.

20:59:43 Dimsler_: greed is my motivational factor

20:59:49 Dimsler_: which other ones did you want me to have?

21:00:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00284 = 0.1846 BTC [+]

21:00:22 mircea_popescu: well, that's fine, but it doesn't help in this angle.

21:00:27 Dimsler_: i love all the preaching bitcoiners how they are going to be saving farmers in argentina or africa

21:00:31 mircea_popescu: anyway : pimps will take whatever the customer pays.

21:00:36 Dimsler_: fact is btcs main use will be for illicit purposes

21:00:45 Dimsler_: ofcourse he will

21:00:46 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is interesting for the student/teen that doubles as a hooker on her own

21:00:56 twizt: hookercoin

21:01:00 mircea_popescu: because that way she can't get caught, not really, and moreover she gets the crowd she likes

21:01:01 twizt: has it been made yet?

21:01:02 twizt: LOL

21:01:09 mircea_popescu: (ie, white dorks/nerds)

21:01:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00284999 = 0.1425 BTC [+]

21:01:21 Dimsler_: well bitcoin is for anyone who doesn't want to A) have a problem with asset seizure B) wants to hide there activity financially C) want to launder there proceeds

21:01:28 mircea_popescu: right ?

21:01:32 Dimsler_: so why wouldn't the pimp facilitate the usage of bitcoin

21:01:36 mircea_popescu: so the last thing a pimp wants is crypto.

21:01:45 mircea_popescu: the pimp and the govt have in fact the exact same interests :

21:01:50 mircea_popescu: a stable of cattle they're exploiting.

21:02:14 Dimsler_: ofcourse but the pimp is operating within his own brutalizing operation

21:02:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0028462 = 0.2277 BTC [-] {2}

21:02:19 mircea_popescu: derp.

21:02:22 Dimsler_: outside of the norms of the government criminal gang

21:02:32 Dimsler_: hes not paying taxing or utilize the court system for conflict dispute

21:02:34 mircea_popescu: anyway.

21:02:34 twizt: government = real mafia

21:02:35 twizt: lol

21:02:43 KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GZlJGERbvE

21:02:43 ozbot: Damian Marley - Welcome To Jamrock - YouTube

21:02:46 twizt: 100% racket

21:02:46 Dimsler_: well mircea_popescu is correct

21:02:50 Dimsler_: countries are giant farms

21:03:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0028399 = 0.1988 BTC [-]

21:03:20 Dimsler_: they have the slaves, the brutalizing class, the high preists, and the farm keepers

21:03:28 mircea_popescu: anyway, more's the point : i been trying to get the fucktarded girls on crypto for 2 years.

21:03:37 mircea_popescu: they're dumb as rocks, lazy as a limp cock and proud like peacocks.

21:03:44 mircea_popescu: it's slow going, and in the end who the fuck cares.

21:03:50 Dimsler_: thats why a simple pimpcoin interface

21:03:51 mircea_popescu: lead that linked thread, you'll get the gist of it.

21:07:58 the20year: Feb 3rd for RentalStarter on HL

21:08:55 KRS1: The grass is greener on the other side.

21:08:55 KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngfiDVr495w

21:08:56 ozbot: Julian Marley - Boom draw - YouTube

21:10:15 KRS1: lippoper: ^^ for you ganja man

21:11:21 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/f6287083cc8bb81a459ba829bfda86db/tumblr_mic74zp9mF1ru15g3o1_500.jpg

21:11:40 lippoper: nice thanks mon

21:12:20 pankkake: the tomatoes are more attractive than the girl

21:13:27 lippoper: lol

21:13:41 twizt: fake tits

21:14:29 lippoper: aww how fappable

21:14:29 lippoper: http://24.media.tumblr.com/19e62a8bcb882dcd8c847d172a627d92/tumblr_mmx4ed9O2f1rwegl4o1_500.jpg

21:15:10 pankkake: nice!

21:15:21 mircea_popescu: nice tomatoes.

21:15:49 lippoper: yay dogecoin has reached coinmarketcap.com's #5 position

21:16:11 lippoper: oh wait

21:16:14 lippoper: slipped back to 6

21:16:20 lippoper: nvm

21:16:27 pankkake: sometimes Nxt breaks, too

21:19:29 mircea_popescu: considering ripples are #2 there... lol.

21:21:58 pankkake: http://photos.teenplanet.org/content/atomicfrog/AF%20Pix/Time%20For%20a%20Trip/Time_for_a_Trip_48.JPG

21:22:46 lippoper: wow

21:22:58 lippoper: I bet the redhead is the hottest and you can't see any of her assets

21:23:06 pankkake: http://photos.teenplanet.org/content/atomicfrog/AF%20Pix/Time%20For%20a%20Trip/Time_for_a_Trip_49.JPG

21:23:21 pankkake: she seems to have the biggest

21:23:22 lippoper: I think i was right

21:23:33 lippoper: :-)

21:25:07 pankkake: http://photos.teenplanet.org/content/atomicfrog/AF%20Pix/Udderly%20Insane%20Mix/853853577.jpg that one is just unfair…

21:25:26 twizt: cant see any of that

21:25:36 twizt: lol

21:30:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 35 @ 0.02995081 = 1.0483 BTC [+] {6}

21:46:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

21:53:56 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149458.msg4761716#msg4761716

21:53:58 ozbot: [CRYPTO-TRADE] Crypto-trade.com IPO and official thread

21:54:01 mircea_popescu: so much fail

21:56:07 Dimsler_: sorry i'm back

21:56:29 benkay: y'all made me strip the babe down and lose like 2 hours of workable time

21:56:45 KRS1: HAHA

21:57:08 benkay: downsides of the home office

21:57:20 benkay: what was i doing again?

21:57:27 benkay: "WOMAN MORE COFFEE"

22:02:58 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439046.0 << they're writing books now.

22:03:00 ozbot: Our book gives you ★ PRIVACY ★ and ★ PRIZES ★

22:06:36 Dimsler_: lol contest

22:06:48 Dimsler_: honestly that entire forum is a den of theives, liars, and fraudsters

22:09:09 Dimsler_: mircea_popescu, what did they sell btct.co for anyway/

22:11:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00089601 = 7.9297 BTC [-]

22:11:45 mircea_popescu: sold ? it was never sold.

22:11:50 mircea_popescu: it just shut down.

22:12:42 dub: What a viscous cycle.

22:13:10 mircea_popescu: lol

22:16:47 Apocalyptic: he's willing to sell it at least

22:30:13 herbijudlestoids: hullo

22:30:33 Neil: mircea_popescu: Seems I was right - bitbet gives you weight based on when bitbet processes the bet, not when the bet went in the blockchain... which is not good for extended downtime

22:31:23 herbijudlestoids: here is the distribution of 10 tick log normalised returns in MPOE for the last 2 days http://imgur.com/bGRhQW5

22:31:35 herbijudlestoids: looks like a good skew

22:32:29 pizzaman1337: 2 days isn't much of a sample size though, is it?

22:32:29 herbijudlestoids: similar formation to the 1 tick returns i plotted yesterday, seems like there is plenty of room for speculators

22:32:30 mircea_popescu: Neil yep

22:32:45 herbijudlestoids: pizzaman1337: all i got so far :) but youre right small sample size

22:33:17 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids looks remarkably centered tbh

22:34:21 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: returns definitely seem to skew positively, the distribution does not show the commonly taken levy form that i usually see, more like poisson distribution

22:34:55 mircea_popescu: virginal

22:35:15 herbijudlestoids: ?

22:36:11 herbijudlestoids: i want to construct some kind of benchmark index from the different assets and use that to build information ratios etc

22:36:31 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i mean, for prices to distribute normally it'd mean there;s not much meta activity going on

22:36:36 mircea_popescu: ie, virginal.

22:36:48 azi`: does anyone happen to have any experience with cryptostocks.com?

22:36:49 herbijudlestoids: financial timeseries vary rarely distribute normally

22:37:00 mircea_popescu: azi` yes. it's a scam.

22:37:51 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yeah.

22:38:39 azi`: mircea_popescu: why is it?

22:39:22 herbijudlestoids: anyway these are just play charts until more data comes, just to get myself familiar with ingesting it and processing it...

22:39:24 mircea_popescu: see for instance the sad story of their own selfipo, linked an hour ago. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2014#468657

22:39:56 pankkake: it's another one

22:40:10 mircea_popescu: no ?!

22:40:17 pankkake: CipherTrade, CryptoTrade, CryptoStocks

22:40:34 mircea_popescu: ow fuck.

22:41:03 azi`: so much of these sites these days

22:41:05 pankkake: https://btcinve.com/ https://www.litecoininvest.com/ too

22:41:07 ozbot: BTCInve

22:41:10 azi`: so many scams..

22:41:12 mircea_popescu: bad link azi. hang a second.

22:42:25 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140700.0;all

22:42:27 ozbot: [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Vircurex [VCX] - Going public

22:42:51 mircea_popescu: there's tons of other stuff, this one is funny because the guy running it pretty much stole each and every possible way.

22:43:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00584957 = 0.2983 BTC [+] {5}

22:45:41 herbijudlestoids: sounds like old mrs clinton will be the next dem candidate

22:47:28 lewicki: tough act to follow...

22:48:22 mircea_popescu: she doesn't even get the benefit of pms

22:49:52 mircea_popescu: lol i see goat is putting a lot of effort into perhaps a comeback.

22:53:48 mircea_popescu: that should go over well.

22:54:09 mircea_popescu: Neil you getting pm at all ?

23:10:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04534966 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {2}

23:20:21 pankkake: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-01-30/

23:20:22 ozbot: Dilbert comic strip for 01/30/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.

23:36:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

23:38:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.03200207 = 0.736 BTC [+] {4}

23:39:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.03200182 = 0.704 BTC [-] {6}

23:40:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 55 @ 0.02687298 = 1.478 BTC [-] {8}

23:41:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02511116 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {2}

23:56:34 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: if the trading volume of MPex picks up considerably, will you still be streaming orders via assbot?

23:59:00 jurov: herbijudlestoids: assbot already aggregates orders

23:59:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04899989 = 0.245 BTC [+]

23:59:13 jurov: at least on his chan

23:59:41 jurov: but #assets-trades could get into trouble cuz flooding