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00:08:33 asciilifeform: bounce: all 1980s micros, afaik, did

00:08:39 asciilifeform: bounce: i was thinking of modern pc

00:26:11 ThickAsThieves: so Jesus Antonopolis has a book coming out

00:27:23 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11788/mastering-bitcoin-book-andreas-antonopoulos-available-pre-order/

00:28:15 ThickAsThieves: it can't be purchased with bitcoins

00:29:15 dexX7: 250 pages x.x

00:31:40 ThickAsThieves: "If you're interested in learning more about the technical operation of bitcoin, or if you're building the next great bitcoin killer­app or business, you will find this book essential reading. From the basic use of a bitcoin wallet to buy a cup of coffee, to running a bitcoin marketplace with hundreds of thousands of transactions, or collaboratively building new financial innovations

00:31:40 ThickAsThieves: that will transform our understanding of currency and credit, this book will help you engineer money. You're about to unlock the API to a new economy. This book is your key."

00:31:47 ThickAsThieves: parody vs reality

00:31:50 ThickAsThieves: who will win?

00:31:53 ThickAsThieves: stay tuned!

00:32:09 asciilifeform: 'parody horizon.'

00:32:20 truffles: hey TAT write that blog yet?

00:33:09 dexX7: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KKV_VEmGPsPr74rFhhpqmdkFPuLRh6tSEQvsXdOcoZA/pub#h.ualzap5eojzv << outline

00:33:10 ozbot: Mastering Bitcoin - Community Outline Review

00:34:05 ThickAsThieves: the first blog post didnt make it past peer review

00:34:06 ThickAsThieves: sorry

00:34:18 truffles: orly

00:34:22 truffles: i can review if u want

00:34:32 ThickAsThieves: no need

00:34:38 *: truffles likes to be entertained!

00:35:49 truffles: there are a few other bloggers itc

00:35:58 truffles: cant recall if theyre consistent, cuz i forget

00:36:45 dexX7: http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/

00:36:46 ozbot: Assets Assimilated

00:37:05 truffles: meh

00:37:16 truffles: non assets mp related

00:39:07 ThickAsThieves: well you cant complain when b-assets people write about assets and you ask assets people for writing

00:39:30 truffles: didnt ask for assets content

00:39:38 ThickAsThieves: people here also list other blogs they like at times

00:39:44 truffles: oh

00:39:47 ThickAsThieves: The Last Psychiatrist

00:40:02 ThickAsThieves: Pando isnt bad for news about news

00:40:16 truffles: oh its not that specific

00:40:40 truffles: just has to gauge my interest :)

00:40:59 truffles: so is btc stable now`

00:41:30 ThickAsThieves: not yet

00:41:34 azi`_: did i miss any news about neobee?

00:41:35 ThickAsThieves: give it a month

00:41:38 truffles: last i saw it was in the 600s

00:42:30 truffles: how goes neobee

00:43:44 dexX7: price tanked, trading halted

00:43:52 azi`_: something fishy is apparently going on

00:44:10 truffles: ?

00:50:26 TestingUnoDosTre: .d

00:50:26 ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1170 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.2937% in 6d 19h 4m 7s

00:51:33 dexX7: haha reddit about friedcat: "I don't know, anonymous according to /r/bitcoin means "will steal bitcoins in future". How do we know the ASICs don't have a function that sends your mined bitcoins to some address at some point in the future or installs a virus on your computer? Is the hardware opensourced?"

00:52:19 Duffer1: wow

00:52:32 TestingUnoDosTre: how come the expected change is 16,3% when bitcoinwisdom projects 21%

00:59:49 dexX7: the "next diff" algorithm is only a simple linear projection (hashrate-now/hashrate-last = hashrate-increase%) and bitcoinwisdom uses something more sophisticated

01:05:53 TestingUnoDosTre: can anyone tell me about gribbles next difficulty calculation

01:21:12 MisterE: http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/28/mozillas-bad-week-employees-call-for-ceo-eich-to-step-down-3-board-members-leave/

01:21:13 ozbot: Mozilla's bad week: Employees call for CEO Eich to step down, 3 board members leave | VentureBeat |

01:24:46 kanzure: dexX7: couldn't you just monitor the outbound network activity from the asic device instead

01:25:31 dexX7: hm?

01:26:22 dexX7: elaborate please

01:30:43 tg2: Yeah it wouldn't be hard

01:31:00 tg2: even with published source though many people still download binary

01:31:46 tg2: People still use Firefox?

01:35:27 fordlincoln1: anyone trade the bitcoin cfds on avatrade?

01:35:48 kakobrekla: that prolly a bucket shop

01:36:01 kakobrekla: not prolly, certainly.

01:40:29 cazalla: tg2: what's wrong with firefox?

01:41:02 tg2: Chrome is what's wrong with Firefox

01:41:18 Apocalyptic: Opera is the shit now

01:41:27 cazalla: i'd rather not give google my browsing habits

01:41:35 tg2: I heard netscape is pretty nice

01:42:17 tg2: although i prefer lynx because it doesn't forward my cookies unless explicitly advised to

01:42:37 mystisking: whats the future of crypto trading?

01:42:40 tg2: in fact it asks me every time

01:43:06 mystisking: is bitcoin over?

01:43:09 tg2: If dice listed on any markets?

01:43:26 tg2: ;;ident mystisking

01:43:41 tg2: > web

01:43:48 tg2: Troll harder

01:43:53 mystisking: ?

01:44:15 mystisking: i have a question

01:44:22 Apocalyptic: <mystisking> is bitcoin over? << obvious troll is obvious

01:44:57 mystisking: ?

01:45:09 tg2: Mystisking, the ceo of Bitcoin committed suicide so yeah Bitcoin is pretty much dead

01:45:26 tg2: everybody knows this why do you not

01:45:56 mystisking: where can i see announcements of new cryptocurrencies?

01:46:08 tg2: Fox news

01:46:27 mystisking: thanks guy

01:46:32 mystisking: you're a real jerk

01:46:32 tg2: Np any time

01:46:48 tg2: drop by any time and ask as stupid of a question as you want

01:46:56 tg2: you'll always get a sincere response

01:47:29 tg2: Go to /r/dogecoin you'll be right at home

01:47:34 dexX7: he's gone

01:47:45 tg2: I have parts muted

01:47:49 dexX7: ic

01:48:02 tg2: I don't c

01:48:44 tg2: Benkay

01:48:53 tg2: What are you drinking

01:51:54 tg2: > Tfw no benkay

02:00:40 MisterE: Chrome is such crap

02:00:49 MisterE: I switched to FF from Chromium

02:01:50 Apocalyptic: tg2, what version of lynx do you use ?

02:02:04 tg2: Bleeding edge

02:02:22 tg2: I use phantomjs now

02:02:30 tg2: Headless webkit ftw

02:02:48 tg2: It renders css and JavaScript without a ui.

02:03:09 tg2: it makes one hell of a sick crawler

02:03:37 tg2: It's like having only console open on your browser

02:08:56 tg2: 2.8.8 lynx

02:17:57 tg2: I believe that's current

02:23:27 kanzure: phantomjs is actually using an ancient version of webkit

02:23:36 kanzure: i highly recommend using recent webkit and just use the gobject bindings

02:23:49 kanzure: for example: https://gist.github.com/kanzure/6581415

02:24:14 kanzure: (context: i've contributed to phantomjs)

02:29:21 tg2: Can it be run without x?

02:30:42 xdotcomm_: tg2: going for wendies !

02:32:12 MisterE: Breaking news on the missing plane, still nothing found...

02:33:26 kanzure: tg2: technically no, webkigtk+ requires X unless you find a way to get gtk running without x.. there used to be a way with cairo but nobody seems to care anymore.

02:34:32 kanzure: tg2: however, running X headlessly is not hugely problematic these days because of xserver-xorg-video-dummy

02:35:36 kanzure: tg2: and i would say the advantages of running modern webkit far outweigh the troubles with running X... you get Function.prototype.bind :)

02:37:58 kanzure: even when phantomjs2 comes out in the next few months i would recommend caution because the dependency on qtwebki from a qt release means that you're waiting multiple months for bugfixes to get into phantomjs (so far webkit updates are so far behind it's sad)

02:38:31 kanzure: e.g. it's not just qtwebkit but it's a qt-release that includes a release of qtwebkit which includes a release of webkit. but the real thing you care about is webkit!

03:04:09 tg2: I just use it for page scraping

03:04:51 tg2: And thumb generation

03:05:40 tg2: Headless is nice

03:05:50 tg2: True headless

03:06:00 tg2: there is to much tied through x imo

03:06:08 tg2: Fglrx for example

03:09:08 Apocalyptic: tg2, do you even run X ?

03:09:44 tg2: Not if I don't need gui

03:32:13 chetty: http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/03/28/cashless-society-almost-sinister-implications/

03:32:14 ozbot: The Cashless Society Almost Here And With Some Very Sinister Implications - Waking Times

03:56:23 decimation: lol fiat: http://www.scribd.com/doc/201651711/October-24-2013-Class-Cert-Order - this is related to the civil suit against the silicon valley companys for conspiring to limit recruitment

03:58:05 decimation: Alan Eustace (Google Senior Vice President) commented ...

03:58:11 decimation: to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer"

03:59:26 decimation: take 2: According to him:the "long-term right approach is not to deal with these situations as one-off?s but to have a systematic approach to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer"

04:00:21 decimation: my point: his job is exactly to find the one-off's and worry about their retention. What possible "systematic approach" exists, even in theory?

04:05:49 MisterE: that the order certifying the class?

04:08:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kernel-in-rom never caught on because these fuckwits want to keep versioning everything all the time. gotta upgrade!!1

04:08:38 asciilifeform: lul

04:09:01 asciilifeform: upgrade all day - just turn the key.

04:09:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well he's mastered them so...

04:09:58 asciilifeform: anyone else notice how you more or less can't buy antifuse roms any more?

04:10:22 asciilifeform: just flash that programmatically refuses (or promises to refuse) writing a second time

04:12:09 dignork: asciilifeform, there are OTP chips, you're saying they can be rewritten?

04:12:10 mircea_popescu: dude what's with all this derpage. avatrade ? future of crypto trading ? what the hell.

04:12:33 asciilifeform: dignork: i can't promise to re-write one on demand - but they're 'flash' inside.

04:13:02 asciilifeform: dignork: notice that the same part number typically comes in a UV window version.

04:13:23 asciilifeform: now go and try to buy a 1980s style antifuse ROM that actually burns

04:13:29 asciilifeform: i.e. fuses blow when you write it.

04:14:44 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation the following systematic approach : "you will be born anyway, need to work anyway. why should you be paid ?"

04:16:48 mircea_popescu: oh look, another blockchain crawler : https://coinb.in/

04:18:49 dignork: asciilifeform, I never actually looked into these chips, but wikipedia says empty PROM is filled with 1's, and you're irreversibly burning 0's

04:19:07 asciilifeform: yes

04:19:08 dignork: asciilifeform, so later you can burn some more 0'...

04:19:11 asciilifeform: now try to buy one.

04:19:31 mircea_popescu: dignork it'd be an extremely rare case where that actually works tho

04:19:37 asciilifeform: incidentally, this reminds me of a scheme i came up with for re-writing 'cd-r' disks, before the rewritable kind was available

04:20:15 asciilifeform: using 'gray code'. alert reader can probably figure out how it worked.

04:20:33 asciilifeform: how many 'brain cycles' we've all wasted on obsolete tech!

04:21:05 mircea_popescu: "I stumbled upon this brilliant piece of journalism written by one ?Mircea Popescu?. The title of the article reads ?Why Dogecoin is a scam?? and the contents are amusing."

04:21:20 mircea_popescu: at least we're using the brain cycles on things that actually exist.

04:21:38 mircea_popescu: how many brain cycles have various anon derps wasted on rehashing their imaginary worlds ?

04:22:25 asciilifeform: the folks who understand their worlds being imaginary, i've no problem with.

04:23:04 dignork: asciilifeform, well, I have this http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/2.4GHz-RF/nRF24LE1-OTP on hand, but I don't have equipment to actually look at the chip structure though :(

04:23:06 mircea_popescu: well the others you really can't have a problem with. because who'd you have a problem with ? they're not here.

04:23:12 mircea_popescu: o look at that, fico lost!

04:24:32 dignork: asciilifeform, it's a complex device containing OTP, so not a strict match

04:26:32 Apocalyptic: yeah mircea_popescu, i'm so happy

04:28:16 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic hm ?

04:28:27 Apocalyptic: fico is the last thing slovakia needs right now

04:29:07 mircea_popescu: a a

04:41:18 tg2: It's there any traction to have the irs change their stance on btc?

04:41:37 tg2: They basically made it a paperwork disaster to actually tax it

04:42:36 chetty: get the IRS to change? you ARE joking?

04:43:48 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5937860#msg5937860 and another layer of scammyness unfolds.

04:43:50 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

04:44:24 mircea_popescu: so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo ?

04:47:03 tg2: Well who votes on tax rates

04:47:05 tg2: Not the irs

04:47:21 tg2: Ergo they should be susceptible to change

04:47:44 chetty: no one votes on IRS rules

04:47:59 tg2: The irs only collects

04:48:16 MisterE: no they made powerful administrative rules too

04:48:28 tg2: Voted on by... ?

04:48:31 tg2: C ca

04:48:47 tg2: There should be an avenue to have those rules revised

04:48:51 chetty: rules and regulations ... no one votes

04:49:01 MisterE: they have an internal committee of bureaucrats probably

04:49:08 MisterE: might take public comment

04:49:16 Apocalyptic: this jimmothy guy is halirious

04:49:34 Apocalyptic: *hilarious

04:49:39 Apocalyptic: damn i need to sleep

04:49:59 mircea_popescu: so go sleep

04:50:02 mircea_popescu: it ain't going anywhere.

04:54:16 tg2: They have their irc code

04:55:50 tg2: Federal court ruling sits higher than agency interpretive regulations

04:56:12 nubbins`: jimmothy

04:56:21 nubbins`: pretty sure he's a paid shill for whoever has a buck

04:56:48 tg2: And IRS Revenue Rulings, which I would assume the btc guidance fell under

04:56:52 MisterE: yea but challenging those regulations is not possible for mere mortals

04:57:11 nubbins`: also, neobee: lel

04:57:20 MisterE: heh yea

04:57:27 tg2: one might assume that those remain attainable for somebody

04:57:43 tg2: If there was a landmark supreme court case

04:58:04 Apocalyptic: too bad TAT is mixed up in this

04:58:25 tg2: It feels like the irs just said "here's our stance" and left the door open to an overriding ruling from a larger authority

04:59:00 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2014&bots=true#485655

04:59:03 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

04:59:17 nubbins`: such lels

04:59:47 nubbins`: Apocalyptic: might as well read the whole day

05:01:20 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo /// To my knowledge LMB never gifted itself anything nor moved shares to Havelock

05:02:01 ThickAsThieves: there was a portion seperately allocated for employee program of some sort I think, not tradable

05:02:07 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, here's the problem :

05:02:11 mircea_popescu: Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK).

05:02:21 mircea_popescu: this is an update of the previous version, which read :

05:02:24 mircea_popescu: Public investors will hold 9,600,000 LMB Holdings shares (60% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 6,400,000 shares (40% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK).

05:02:38 ThickAsThieves: basically the unsold shares sat unsold afaik

05:02:39 mircea_popescu: the net effect of this change is for lmb to gift itself a significant portion of the equity.

05:02:55 ThickAsThieves: only the 31% wouldve been eligible for the initial divs

05:03:10 mircea_popescu: the figures seem to be 68.4x% and 40%.

05:03:29 nubbins`: but that's 28.x% for free

05:03:58 mircea_popescu: i guess this is why no gpg contract = scam, pretty much.

05:04:08 mircea_popescu: as far as i know every pdf-ipo to date has done this sort of thing

05:05:11 tg2: Unfortunately there is no reprimand even declaring profitability

05:05:27 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, thanks for the link, i'm reading

05:05:33 mircea_popescu: tg2 that didn't parse.

05:05:42 nubbins`: ^

05:05:53 tg2: S/reprimand/consequence

05:06:05 tg2: Falsely declaring profitability

05:06:44 tg2: Who is keeping the company truthful about their earnings

05:06:52 tg2: ie rent

05:06:54 mod6:

05:07:12 mod6: oops

05:07:36 mircea_popescu: this is a major problem, generally speaking.

05:07:42 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2014&bots=true#456142

05:07:45 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

05:08:09 mircea_popescu: nubbins` myeah.

05:08:11 tg2: I have a model which would be great for this kind of transparency

05:08:54 nubbins`: on the bright side, a bunch of people in cyprus got several months worth of salary that they wouldn't have had otherwise

05:08:55 nubbins`: so there's that

05:09:04 nubbins`: practically a success

05:09:23 xdotcomm_: tg2: what model?

05:09:33 tg2: Marketplace

05:09:44 xdotcomm_: like ebay

05:09:52 tg2: No, a good one

05:09:58 xdotcomm_: or like nyse

05:10:09 tg2: Marketplace for anything

05:10:10 xdotcomm_: elaborate please

05:10:20 xdotcomm_: like craigslist?

05:10:40 tg2: Like a decentralized craigslist

05:11:04 xdotcomm_: problem with craigslist is there is no rankings

05:11:12 tg2: Yeah

05:11:15 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2014&bots=true#485755

05:11:17 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

05:11:19 nubbins`: just pasting things here

05:11:29 tg2: That and their code is from 1999

05:11:33 nubbins`: no big deal

05:11:56 nubbins`: xdotcomm_, tg2: those are problems?

05:12:44 tg2: Can be, yes

05:13:22 xdotcomm_: its tough because you gotta make it so much better then craigslist + ebay ... otherwise no go.. they already have the masses

05:13:24 nubbins`: #bitcoin-assets: where $150m/y is a problem

05:13:46 mircea_popescu: "The trading is simply frozen; unless they tore down the building and sold the rubble Im pretty sure that NEO's offices will be open come Monday."

05:13:59 mircea_popescu: wait, the theory is that these people bought an office building too ?!

05:14:00 tg2: Kijiji shits on craigslist

05:14:05 mircea_popescu: !t h neobee

05:14:14 xdotcomm_: 5 to 10x better for early adapters and 10 to 20 for the masses

05:15:43 xdotcomm_: tg2: kijji > craigslist thats y in Canada its #1

05:18:34 tg2: Eventually it'll take over in the us

05:18:36 xdotcomm_: they will never end http://digitalinterface.blogspot.ca/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html

05:18:39 tg2: Ebay owns it

05:18:42 xdotcomm_: yea

05:27:44 TestingUnoDosTre: .d

05:27:44 ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1149 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.7374% in 6d 19h 11m 34s

05:28:31 TestingUnoDosTre: alright I've asked this before, but I got disconnected. Why does gribble have such a lower prediction for next difficulty compared to bitcoinwisdom. Is one sampling way more or way less blocks than the other?

05:29:09 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre perhaps check the log ?

05:29:27 TestingUnoDosTre: ahhh yes. There was some lag inbetween when I was checking it and disconnected

05:29:34 TestingUnoDosTre: now it should be good

05:30:56 TestingUnoDosTre: scratch that, it looks like no one answered

05:31:37 nubbins`: no, i remember someone answering

05:32:01 mircea_popescu: what, you get different logs where you live ?

05:32:29 Apocalyptic: depends if kako has edited it or not I guess

05:32:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014#592194

05:32:34 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

05:32:35 nubbins`: kako, editor of logs

05:33:44 [\]: I'm glad we pay these people: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/getcovered/10.gif

05:33:47 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5978604#msg5978604 check out this epic shit. apparently i'm a bad person because i don't suck now.

05:33:49 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

05:34:01 TestingUnoDosTre: ahhh thank you

05:34:15 mircea_popescu: [\\\] da fuck is that supposed to be

05:34:29 nubbins`: heheh

05:34:45 TestingUnoDosTre: it says bitcoinwisdom uses a mix of 2016 long term linear and 504 short term linear to estimate

05:34:55 mircea_popescu: this andy greenberg imbecile is really getting my goat.

05:35:00 TestingUnoDosTre: at least that's what one redditor claimed

05:35:24 mircea_popescu: poor finley already said he's not it. actually, what he said was, "i could claim it and go to my grave a celebrated inventor. it'd be sweet. however... i did not do it, sadly. stop hounding me."

05:35:30 mircea_popescu: what does forshitbes do ? hounds him.

05:35:36 mircea_popescu: journos belong in penal colonies,

05:35:42 mircea_popescu: and i'm not even tyrant yet./

05:37:58 [\]: woah

05:38:02 [\]: so I'm late to the party

05:38:12 [\]: NeoBee has pulled a runner?

05:39:34 mircea_popescu: [\\\] well they're having a great weekend so far.

05:40:10 [\]: and isn't NeoBee the guys helping 'fix' bitfunder/weex?

05:40:16 [\]: aren't*

05:40:17 dexX7: "Danny doesn't need to talk directly to shareholders and customers." ... wow, reaching that point was faster then i expected (i didn't at all)

05:41:13 mircea_popescu: [\\\] they were the guys that spoke out of turn on the topic and then never brought it up again.

05:41:35 mircea_popescu: dexX7 you just think so because you're a one man band that never leaves his appartment.

05:41:40 mircea_popescu: if you were rich and successful you'd see.

05:43:29 nubbins`: someone should just IPO a series of magazine ads and six months salary and get it over with

05:43:49 [\]: lol

05:44:01 nubbins`: give up the facade

05:44:02 [\]: brilliant idea

05:44:37 nubbins`: just found a wart on my finger. turns out it's dough.

05:44:41 *: nubbins` fist-pumps

05:44:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` in point of case, it's a major improvement over the previous stuff

05:44:52 mircea_popescu: which did google ads at best.

05:45:30 bocobit: hows it going guys

05:45:40 bocobit: i've got a question

05:45:58 Duffer1: ni hao

05:45:59 bocobit: why doesn't Andreas Antnonopoulos have a wiki?

05:46:30 mircea_popescu: perhaps he didn't install one ?

05:46:31 Duffer1: he's a speaker

05:46:46 dignork: bocobit, he wrote a book instead :)

05:47:03 bocobit: I'm just trying to find out some info on him like where he's from/ past work ect.

05:47:21 mircea_popescu: bocobit why not just ask him ?

05:47:27 mircea_popescu: has a twitter or an email or something im sure ?

05:47:38 nubbins`: 3:17am, nice

05:47:40 nubbins`: i mean

05:47:41 nubbins`: nite

05:47:43 mircea_popescu: nn

05:47:46 nubbins`: (not nice)

05:48:26 mircea_popescu: Nighty Nubbins

05:48:32 mircea_popescu: stop deing bifficult.

05:48:48 nubbins`: NOODGIGHT

05:49:41 mircea_popescu: "Some men enjoy dancing with other men without their tops on while others prefer the company of a woman two KFC family buckets away from upsetting the planet's rotational axis."

05:49:57 mircea_popescu: this dude can lay down the webhurt lawl.

05:50:02 dexX7: hm? what would i see, if i were rich and successful?

05:50:42 mircea_popescu: dexX7 how would i know ?

05:51:14 mircea_popescu: (i'm just being very sarcastic because that thread's too funny to do anything else)

05:51:21 [\]: neo pr was active for a week after their last post

05:51:49 andyfletcher: dexX7, you would have to tell us which direction you were looking

05:52:03 dexX7: hehe k

05:52:38 mircea_popescu: but generally speaking, you would be seeing cleavage.

05:53:44 andyfletcher: assuming the lights are on

05:54:10 tg2: Pleural form of cleavage

05:54:11 mircea_popescu: i think if you're rich and successful one of the perks is that you can see cleavage even through the dark.

05:54:13 mircea_popescu: or clothes.

05:56:12 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

05:56:56 mircea_popescu: i thought there was supposed to be super-duper heavy support at 500

05:56:58 mircea_popescu: what scam is this!

05:57:12 ThickAsThieves: enky says 430 or thereabouts

05:57:17 ThickAsThieves: i'm inclined to agree

06:07:30 mircea_popescu: "Nearly 1,900 Veterans Committed Suicide In Just 2014 Alone"

06:07:38 mircea_popescu: i guess the bankers aren't suddenly all that exceptional.

06:08:09 andyfletcher: wonder how many died on deployment in the same period

06:09:35 mircea_popescu: http://icasualties.org/OEF/index.aspx

06:09:36 ozbot: iCasualties | Operation Enduring Freedom | Afghanistan

06:30:39 benkay: hey!

06:31:25 benkay: i'm not dead yet, despite your best efforts

06:31:49 benkay: although all of my calories are ethanol derived

06:31:54 benkay: someone told me this is unhealthy

06:33:25 benkay: !l m s.mpoe

06:33:31 benkay: !l h rent

06:33:48 benkay: the next rent round is almost not bullshit, youse guise?

06:35:45 benkay: ;;later tell tg2 llolzlzolozlzolzolol self-stopping doors

06:38:37 tg2: Later while online thxm8

06:39:00 benkay: u think i ams no tab compl?

06:39:21 benkay: the tg2 operators nevar sleep

06:40:39 benkay: moiety: you have great taste in chain

06:41:49 tg2: benkay your segway doesn't even have doors how would you understand this market

06:42:15 benkay: segue?

06:42:22 benkay: to something interdasting i hope

06:45:16 xdotcomm_: benkay: i saw portlandia today ... is it based on your personality?

06:45:48 benkay: oh, both socks at once?

06:45:54 benkay: guys u gotta do betta

06:46:09 tg2: how hard we gotta sock

06:46:27 tg2: last time a sock gave you this much pleasure it ended up stuck to the laundry hamper

06:47:20 benkay: brilli-allent

06:47:58 tg2: > concept of friendship foreign, must be socks

06:48:11 tg2: ;;ident benkay

06:48:15 tg2: gpg up noob

06:48:44 benkay: if only you got to do that

06:49:04 tg2: if only we ate our own dogfood

06:49:10 mircea_popescu: tg2 soo, you two are friends ?

06:49:18 tg2: which two?!

06:49:26 benkay: tg2 and xdotcomm_ , sitting in a tree

06:49:58 tg2: xdotcomm_ is my deputy sock obv

06:50:22 benkay: (f.e.l.l.a.t.i.n.g.)

06:51:05 benkay: anyways, upstairs sez beers.

06:51:09 benkay: night, gents.

06:51:11 xdotcomm_: mircea_popescu: we have known each other... but none of us has helped one another move

06:51:18 tg2: lol

06:51:35 mircea_popescu: xdotcomm_ lol i c

06:51:35 xdotcomm_: in north america you can only be friends if you move couches for each other during moves

06:51:41 tg2: we are the best of business friends but the worst of IRL friends

06:52:01 tg2: this guy sold me a broken gong

06:52:01 xdotcomm_: 99% online relationship

06:52:10 mircea_popescu: o i thought "help each other move" is when you seduce the other's wife and so now he has to find a motel.

06:52:12 tg2: and then never even gave it to me

06:52:33 xdotcomm_: tg2: sold a server as well then stole it back

06:52:37 tg2: ;;rate xdotcomm_ -10 sold me a broken gong and then never even gave it to me

06:52:54 xdotcomm_: ive been trying to pay back for years for that

06:52:54 tg2: sells me a server "sick deal bro, dual quad core xeon 32G ram"

06:53:01 xdotcomm_: SSD!

06:53:03 tg2: wake up the next day

06:53:09 tg2: car windows smashed in

06:53:13 tg2: server no longer there

06:53:48 tg2: i'm gonna reck ur otc rating when I get one

06:54:05 xdotcomm_: i need to get the weight of unfairness shifted somehow

06:54:17 xdotcomm_: been trying hard

06:54:30 xdotcomm_: for party bring magnum vodka bottle...

06:54:32 tg2: who's gonna administer the bet on bitbet about how long until one of us gets rating

06:54:49 xdotcomm_: we can cheat and sell cheap btc

06:54:55 xdotcomm_: @ loss

06:55:28 tg2: solid biz plan

06:55:29 xdotcomm_: get best strippers for the party

06:55:36 xdotcomm_: i try hard

06:55:36 TestingUnoDosTre: rate xdotcomm 2 . comment this guy has no clue how much tell sell btc for

06:55:55 tg2: lol

06:56:03 xdotcomm_: for realz

06:56:25 tg2: for real tho he called the doge spike about 2 hours before it climed from 54 to 290

06:56:34 tg2: made me lots of btc's

06:56:38 tg2: off of scrubcoins

06:56:43 xdotcomm_: it was a savant moment

06:57:00 tg2: now its going back there

06:57:00 tg2: lol

06:57:03 xdotcomm_: i can just give access to my tranny paysite to everyone in this chan.. probably get mad ratings

06:57:24 xdotcomm_: exclusive tranny contents

06:57:28 tg2: mpex crashes, havelock closes

06:57:37 tg2: ghost chan

07:02:09 tg2: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/foodbeast/taco-bell-president-says_b_5045279.html

07:02:09 ozbot: Taco Bell President Says Canada Will Get Breakfast 'When You Take Justin Bieber Back' | Foodbeast

07:05:51 TestingUnoDosTre: can't stop salivating when I see the price lately

07:48:04 bounce: asciilifeform: point was rather that the acorn archimedes is closer to a modern computer than an 80s micro.

07:49:32 bounce: bit like stuffing qnx+photon in flashrom. might even be doable if you can find coreboot-supported hardware.

08:15:23 MisterE: http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/28/5557120/what-if-oculus-rift-kickstarter-backers-had-gotten-equity

08:15:24 ozbot: If you back a Kickstarter project that sells for $2 billion, do you deserve to get rich? | The Verge

08:26:46 GreenBits: hi all

08:35:18 chetty: Greetins GreenBits

08:37:56 moiety: http://rt.com/news/vader-presidential-hopeful-ukraine-885/

08:45:45 MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/

08:46:15 MisterE: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game/comments?cursor=6299270#comment-6299269

08:46:16 ozbot: Oculus Rift: Step Into the Game by Oculus » Comments — Kickstarter

08:46:22 MisterE: ^ Says it better than I could

09:03:46 cazalla: why sell MisterE

09:03:49 cazalla: just keep stackin'

09:11:11 punkman1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511457.0

09:11:12 ozbot: [ANN][KAR] KARPELESCOIN | OPEN POOL REGISTRATION | LAUNCH Mar 30 12:00 PM

09:11:35 punkman1: hah 3KARPE1ESwHERE1SoUrMoNEYxxxx8dXeC5

09:57:02 punkman1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJAT6fEn0zw

09:57:02 ozbot: Nigeria Coin - Coin for Nigeria - YouTube

10:01:35 *: andyfletcher has inherited 1,000,00 NigeriaCoin from a relative in Lagos and needs help transferring them

10:02:15 punkman1: I will trade you 1000 KarpelesCoin for it

10:03:47 andyfletcher: no thanks KarpelesCoins look scammy

10:07:02 punkman1: I heard neobee is launching a coin this week

10:07:09 punkman1: but you can only buy ads with it

10:26:38 cazalla: reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9I-UA4IBOc

10:27:10 cazalla: oops, wrong one, this one is more like nigeria coin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iqQcNqfTDU

10:41:59 chetty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2592534/Is-farcical-use-taxpayers-money-Ethiopian-gets-legal-aid-UK-sue-giving-aid-Ethiopia.html

10:41:59 ozbot: Is this the most farcical use of taxpayers' money ever: Ethiopian gets legal aid from UK - to sue us

10:46:50 punkman1: so a farmer gets legal aid from UK, to sue the UK for sending too much money

10:46:55 punkman1: makes sense I guess

10:47:46 andyfletcher: Bit of a gray area. If UK foreign aid is supporting regimes who are abusing the local population then I don't have too much of an issue with a legal aided challenge to it regardless of who is doing the challenge

10:48:35 andyfletcher: After all, the locals are the ones with legal 'standing' in the matter

11:01:23 chetty: a bit messy in court when the taxpayer is funding both sides

12:55:51 MGK: I heard this is the center of bitcoin, hello center

12:57:09 MisterE: hello 450 :)

13:02:27 chetty: hiya MGK

13:07:28 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5980210#msg5980210

13:07:29 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

13:07:29 mircea_popescu: pls t

13:07:34 mircea_popescu: pls to have informations ty.

13:09:33 psterryl: the more herp talks the more he comes across as extremely paranoid and pretty delusional

13:17:47 mircea_popescu: ahh that thread is too delicious

13:37:54 moiety: bitpop is still going?! ffs

13:39:47 mircea_popescu: o look who's here. when did the menuls let you out of the cage moiety ?

13:41:37 moiety: earlier, but i went to do things (mothers day here) - thats why they released me XD how are you mircea_popescu?

13:42:03 mircea_popescu: oh you know, all butthurt about how nobody is using mpex anymore because i'm a dinosaur

13:42:10 mircea_popescu: here in my old apartment, with the chains...

13:42:33 *: moiety hands mircea_popescu the tissues

13:42:41 moiety: there there

13:42:46 mircea_popescu: and this half pound of hand made chocolate pralines i bought yesterday from the... uh... from the pantry

13:43:11 moiety: pralines are ace, they should numb the pain

13:44:10 mircea_popescu: oh, but nothing can ever dull the pain of dissaproval by a bunch of anon tards on a forum somewhere.

13:44:14 mircea_popescu: that's the worst.

13:44:29 moiety: do you not still have the form i gave you? to the logs!

13:44:42 mircea_popescu: i really am having too much fun online these days.

13:45:04 mircea_popescu: how the fuck would one not is the question. this beats anything steve martin ever did.

13:45:30 moiety: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5981543#msg5981543 this thread has me reading the forum again and the dank bank

13:45:32 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

13:46:07 mircea_popescu: the dank bank was epic lmao. -pr sends me the link with "you have to check this out" in the comment field, which you know, the fuck do i know what it is ?

13:46:17 mircea_popescu: totally blindsided me, i was roaring laughing.

13:46:50 moiety: me too lol insta-watch list addition for me

13:47:26 mircea_popescu: i think there's enough material of good crazy quality on that forum so far to hack the borg cube.

13:47:31 mircea_popescu: just you know... hash it, or something.

13:48:00 moiety: lololol more than enough

13:48:16 moiety: its the only reason to be there really, for me anyways

13:49:05 mircea_popescu: this is what, the... fourth installment of "we shall make our own webexchange and become rich out of lunch money" attempt that blew up ?

13:49:18 mircea_popescu: definitely looking forward to 2015.

13:49:42 moiety: XD only four?

13:49:56 *: andyfletcher is waiting for the headline "N&B CEO: Aliens ate our btc"

13:50:08 moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444700.0 this is you isn't it?!

13:50:45 mircea_popescu: andyfletcher you happen to have that pic of 5 people, neo "ceo" guy on left, tuur guy next to him then 3 actual adults ?

13:50:46 deadweasel: the forums are seething with ignorance, I should block bitcointalk at the router.

13:50:52 mircea_popescu: some guy from the local uni etc

13:51:47 moiety: but but comedy

13:51:52 *: andyfletcher doesn't have the pic, but can imagine it

13:52:40 deadweasel: I can't block it, it's too rich.

13:52:43 MGK: where can I mine for PPS?

13:52:47 moiety: i've had a fair bit of idiocy to catch up on after ignoring btctalk existance for quite some time

13:53:09 mircea_popescu: MGK which are those ?

13:53:23 MGK: Pay Per Share

13:53:43 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/V40ebZQ.jpg it was something like that.

13:53:48 MGK: any pools still use that payment method?

13:54:03 mircea_popescu: MGK o you mean pools ? hm.

13:54:22 mircea_popescu: probably not. wasn't it eminently defraudable in some manner ?

13:54:22 MGK: yes pool that has PPS payment option

13:55:27 moiety: irrelevant but that room is gorgeous

13:55:43 mircea_popescu: well i imagine it musta been reasonably expensive.

13:55:49 MGK: Not totally sure

13:56:25 moiety: why do these places pair gorgeous ceilings with awful carpetting?! everywhere!

13:57:00 chetty: cause trolls have muddy feet

13:58:00 mircea_popescu: moiety it's an expense thing. expensive carpeting is expensive to maintain. gorgeous ceilings are a one time only sort of expense.

13:58:48 moiety: good point.. let them have linoleum!

14:00:39 mircea_popescu: "let them have linoleum and aim for the stars!"

14:04:16 moiety: could veen be marble pattern...

14:04:20 moiety: even*

14:04:57 moiety: imagine ukraine voted in darth vader.. what are they thinking running?!

14:13:46 MGK: anyone know how much IXC is or what that even is? and is dev coin worth anything?

14:14:51 mircea_popescu: you'll find few people here care about altcoins, outside perhaps atc and ltc, or to make fun of dodge.

14:16:44 MGK: only asked because ghash.io gives me them for mining bitcoin on their pool

14:17:03 MGK: and I have a decent amount now figured id ask about them

14:17:36 ThickAsThieves: i'd it stands for intraexchange currency

14:17:48 ThickAsThieves: and they probably issue it themselves as a token of some sort

14:17:51 ThickAsThieves: guess*

14:18:47 ThickAsThieves: ;;google what is IXC at ghash.io

14:18:57 MGK: you cant trade IXC or Dev on their exchange so why would they hand them out? Must not be worth anything is what im thinking

14:19:24 ThickAsThieves: http://www.ixcoin.co/

14:19:34 ThickAsThieves: "The Inter eXchange Coin"

14:19:34 punkman1: just an old altcoin that can be merge-mined

14:20:52 MGK: thanks

14:21:50 ThickAsThieves: thank google

14:22:03 mircea_popescu: i suppose merge mining does that, there'll be lots of abandocoins

14:22:04 ThickAsThieves: you should check it out: www.google.com

14:22:18 mircea_popescu: ie, stuff nobody cares about anymore but since they're merge-mined there's plenty floating around

14:23:50 MGK: wow never heard of google, great find!

14:24:11 mircea_popescu: lol

14:24:13 ThickAsThieves: it's hit and miss, but useful

14:24:34 mircea_popescu: I wonder if there's anyone who actually said this honestly today, somewhere on the planet

14:26:22 punkman1: likely

14:29:06 mircea_popescu: how tho. i mean most browsers ship with it embedded

14:29:36 punkman1: well kids are being born every second

14:30:05 mircea_popescu: but much akin people of the 90s though the blue ms explorer icon was "the internet"

14:30:30 mircea_popescu: just so people of the 2010s at that level have no particular understanding of google as apart from the normal functioning of their browser

14:31:44 ThickAsThieves: well you did say anyone in the world

14:31:59 ThickAsThieves: plenty in remote areas never heard of it i assume

14:32:35 ThickAsThieves: 90yo grandmas in developing countries

14:32:44 ThickAsThieves: grammy this is google!

14:33:08 mircea_popescu: hm

14:33:20 mircea_popescu: trying to imagine the world is such a mind boggling exercise.

14:35:51 punkman1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549572.0;all

14:35:53 ozbot: [ANN] Litecoin [LTC] X11 hardfork at block 564,480

14:36:13 MGK: have you ever travelled much?

14:36:32 mircea_popescu: MGK yes.

14:36:41 mircea_popescu: punkman1 ouch.

14:37:13 punkman1: alt-altcoin

14:37:24 mircea_popescu: MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made.

14:37:31 mircea_popescu: other people's, but what's in a genitive.

14:38:04 mircea_popescu: "To lower the footprint of LTC and retain GPU mineability, the algorithm of our choice is X11." footprint in what sense ?

14:38:14 mircea_popescu: has "footprint" become one of those words ?

14:38:23 punkman1: environmental footprint most likely

14:39:41 mircea_popescu: but gpus are pretty inefficient

14:39:52 punkman1: and these people are not people

14:39:57 mircea_popescu: course it makes exactly zero difference, in the end.

14:40:13 mircea_popescu: people will expend as much energy as they're willing to expend, how many hashes that yields is a purely conventional measure

14:40:43 ThickAsThieves: I do wonder if LTC ASICs will kill it

14:41:07 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, the forum crowd still hoping to "strike it rich" on their ten bux will proclaim it dead

14:41:11 mircea_popescu: or "a scam", either way.

14:41:28 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

14:41:39 ThickAsThieves: looks like that bottom will be put to the test

14:41:42 mircea_popescu: but that aside ltc was always an iffy proposition. and contrary to what the proponents were screaming, it hasn't really been lifted by btc so much.

14:42:15 ThickAsThieves: to me its only offer was pretty much what Altcoin proclaims

14:42:25 ThickAsThieves: to be the clearest alt in the fog

14:42:38 ThickAsThieves: but the fog is so thick now

14:42:43 ThickAsThieves: and newcomers cant see it

14:43:13 ThickAsThieves: to newcomers ltc has to win on the same ground as any other alt

14:43:24 mircea_popescu: i think this is actually true.

14:43:31 mircea_popescu: as outlandish as it may sound

14:43:33 turbo_ac100: (16:37:25) mircea_popescu: MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made. << oracle of delphi, alexander the great

14:43:43 ThickAsThieves: all it has left, is its liquidity

14:43:45 mircea_popescu: lol

14:44:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the liquidity problem of a crypto coin is problematic. i could present the following argument that atc actually has better liquidity :

14:44:35 mircea_popescu: the ratio between people willing to buy to support it and people needing to sell to pay for their mining is better.

14:44:46 MisterE: stamp testing 440 so not feeling too bad about it ;)

14:45:09 mircea_popescu: MisterE you already booked your loss no matter what other things happen around you.

14:45:09 ThickAsThieves: indeed

14:45:15 MisterE: yep

14:45:27 ThickAsThieves: however, I also suspect LTC may be used for money laundering

14:45:30 mircea_popescu: see, i bought 60 coins for 1k dollars in 2011. all through 2012 this was ~1k dollars loss.

14:45:32 ThickAsThieves: which makes a market for it

14:45:43 mircea_popescu: however, i never realised it, and so i can book a gain on that buy now if i feel like it.

14:45:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what does that even mena ?

14:46:20 ThickAsThieves: well people selling btc for ltc trying to mix things

14:46:35 MisterE: trying to use the ratio to coin up

14:46:59 VanCleef: mircea needs to cash out and drive it back to single digits

14:52:06 moiety: my arsedness to deal with alts depletes everyday

14:52:18 ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty: 6,029,609,483 (+20.43%)

14:55:34 VanCleef: this bitcoiner that works upstairs from my office just jumped out from his window

14:57:08 deadweasel: suicide?

14:57:11 [KS]: MP: you have some fans in teh Neo thread :)

14:57:12 ThickAsThieves: are you gonna pick his pockets?

14:58:09 VanCleef: #bitcoinsucidehelpline

14:58:49 ThickAsThieves: KS I think some of the quotes of MP you posted might be out of context

14:59:17 ThickAsThieves: the first two lines, I think he was talking about Litecoin

14:59:25 ThickAsThieves: but maybe not...

15:00:10 nubbins`: https://twitter.com/RPMCBC/status/450263996713926656

15:00:11 ozbot: Twitter / RPMCBC: Now playing ... uh.. D**k Surgery ...

15:00:11 *: nubbins` cackles

15:00:21 nubbins`: i wonder what sort of royalties i'm entitled to

15:00:51 VanCleef: tat got out of neobee at the perfect time

15:01:02 [KS]: TAT: really? whuddathunk? :)

15:01:15 ThickAsThieves: odds are there were more perfect times VanCleef

15:01:28 VanCleef: yeh?

15:01:39 [KS]: I'm making fun of MPOE PR but she's not biting :(

15:01:39 [KS]: :)

15:02:15 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust [KS]

15:02:21 VanCleef: i like it when she bites...just a lil bit no raking

15:02:22 ThickAsThieves: hax

15:02:26 kakobrekla: dafuq

15:02:45 kakobrekla: you in the wot son?

15:02:47 [KS]: I'm protected by the NSA

15:03:02 [KS]: :)

15:03:20 kakobrekla: its something you answer with yes or no, not a smiley face

15:03:27 kakobrekla: but i take its a no

15:03:44 [KS]: correct

15:04:51 [KS]: (my previous "answer" was for 3 lines before)

15:05:15 mircea_popescu: [KS] i am dearly beloved wherever idiots gather.

15:05:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` perhaps free moyle services for lyf ?

15:06:16 kakobrekla: re beloved: things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike.

15:07:22 nubbins`: unfortunately i slept in, so i'm not sure which track they played

15:08:03 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hehehe

15:08:39 mircea_popescu: "unfortunately confirmed with Niccocia that BREWSTER fled the country with thousands of coins from the IPVO and employees, unpaid employees and milions of dues to local businesses"

15:08:56 mircea_popescu: no fucking way anyone was stupid enough to credit that dude with millions.

15:09:45 punkman1: why not?

15:11:05 mircea_popescu: well i don't know how they do it in cyprus, but i've never extended millions in commercial credit on unpaid accounts.

15:11:35 mircea_popescu: generally you let a customer walk with a few k's, then they pay that... takes someone even mid level many years to work themselves up to where they can run a tab in the millions

15:11:52 mircea_popescu: whereas this teenager suddenly appeared last summer.

15:12:06 nubbins`: "i'll pay you for all those magazine ads soon, i swear"

15:12:13 mircea_popescu: [KS] yes, my two lines in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5984734#msg5984734 were actually a reply to ThickAsThieves' comment about litecoin

15:12:19 mircea_popescu: you read teh rules ?

15:12:48 chetty: I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today

15:12:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ok, that may be an exception, seeing how nobody is interested in buying ads, and ESPECIALLY not at list prices, so if you're the sort of schmuck that may be tricked into it and they have nothing else to run anyway,

15:13:02 nubbins`: [KS] quoting out of context? tsk

15:13:08 mircea_popescu: they just might run $50k worth of ads and pretend they're owed $1.050 mn

15:13:43 mircea_popescu: but anyway, if you're curious : the last time i bought ads, cca 2006, i simply crossed out anyone who wasn't willing to go UNDER 50% of list price, and just negotiated with everyone else.

15:13:54 mircea_popescu: on average i paid if memory serves ~31% or so.

15:14:41 mircea_popescu: anyone thinking they can build a business out of paying ratecard has got a whole other layer of things wrong with their head.

15:16:09 nubbins`: the problem is that btc space is still infested -- almost completely -- with rubes

15:16:41 ThickAsThieves: rates get really good towards deadline too

15:16:55 nubbins`: drooling idiots falling over each other to "provide services", "offer funds", "invest", etc

15:17:23 mircea_popescu: myeah.

15:17:26 nubbins`: too many people hanging off the wheels of the airplane, i tell ya

15:17:42 mircea_popescu: but it's fuuuu...*splotch*

15:18:05 nubbins`: "my privately minted 10btc round is worth 40btc"

15:18:15 nubbins`: "we have a business plan"

15:18:16 nubbins`: etc

15:18:22 mircea_popescu: "we r ceo"

15:18:28 mircea_popescu: sounds like y-m-c-a

15:18:48 moiety: i was thinking D.I.S.C.O tune

15:19:36 nubbins`: "this idea will sell itself"

15:20:15 mircea_popescu: or that.

15:20:54 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck i can't believe how broken the internet is. anyway, investopedia is wrong. the definition of commercial credit has nothing to do with any bank.

15:21:10 mircea_popescu: commercial credit is created by any merchant that delivers goods to another but does not force them to pay right off.

15:21:41 nubbins`: "we can make a hardware wallet"

15:21:43 mircea_popescu: this de-facto creates some extra money in the system, and the aggregate is known as "commercial credit"

15:22:13 nubbins`: "paper wallets are too confusing"

15:23:03 mircea_popescu: MGK: I heard this is the center of bitcoin, hello center << lol i had just missed that. hello mgk. who are you ?

15:24:54 [KS]: MP: I think you should pay me, I'm doing better PR than MPOE PR. Plus, I'm not deforming your words. Everything is verbatim! :)

15:25:30 nubbins`: [KS], i think YOU should pay ME!

15:25:45 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/

15:25:46 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:26:01 mircea_popescu: "On the other hand professional also implies that you understand how context works, and will never ever under any circumstances omit relevant context when quoting, especially when such omission changes the meaning of your quote and the quoted then has to point this out to you"

15:26:03 MGK: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.220

15:26:20 nubbins`: ^

15:26:23 nubbins`: rather, ^^

15:27:34 nubbins`: "i pasted a bunch of lines out of context in the forums, didn't link to the log, or even bother putting it inside a quote block. this guarantees that not only will nobody read it, but nobody who does can even verify its authenticity. i think you should pay me."

15:27:36 nubbins`: my sides, etc

15:28:08 [KS]: Yup. Except it wasn't quoting if its not in "quotes".

15:28:14 [KS]: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

15:28:24 nubbins`: you'll do well here

15:28:29 nubbins`: i can tell already

15:28:30 [KS]: I'll post 2 lines to make that clear if you want.

15:28:46 mircea_popescu: [KS] eh get out, you're an otherwise smart fellow about to paint himself in a corner trying to argue nonsense of the sake of nonsense.

15:28:52 nubbins`: ^

15:29:06 mircea_popescu: it happens, irc is fluid, just fix it and forget about it.

15:29:27 nubbins`: thanks for the link to grammar book, btw

15:29:34 nubbins`: i literally did not know what quotation marks were

15:29:46 mircea_popescu: you mean "literally"

15:30:34 nubbins`: "thanks"

15:30:39 kakobrekla: does that mean 'being trashful'?

15:30:50 mircea_popescu: "oh yeah ? well i had sex with your wife!"

15:31:02 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "that".

15:31:20 nubbins`: http://distractify.com/people/the-30-most-unnecessary-uses-of-quotation-marks-in-history/

15:31:31 nubbins`: sorry for linking to some shit upworthy-esque website

15:31:41 nubbins`: but unnecessary quotes really tickle me

15:31:55 mircea_popescu: o look. there's a bunch of cracked.coms now

15:32:03 bounce: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/decdd76e-b50e-11e3-a746-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2xRpg9i00

15:32:04 ozbot: Save capitalism from the capitalists by taxing wealth - FT.com

15:32:06 blackwhite: hola peeps

15:32:23 blackwhite: http://digitalinterface.blogspot.com/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html

15:32:24 ozbot: digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency

15:32:55 mircea_popescu: bounce sounds just about forum-y.

15:33:05 mircea_popescu: blackwhite cliffnotes ?

15:33:05 kakobrekla: its a bitcoin with if rand() ==== 4; goto fail;

15:33:18 deadweasel: nubbins`: lol @ Objects in quotation marks. For, you know, reasons.

15:33:41 mircea_popescu: deadweasel nubbins` you know someone on the forum put mircea popescu in quotes ?

15:33:43 nubbins`: "security guard"

15:33:47 nubbins`: mp lel

15:33:49 mircea_popescu: like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing

15:34:13 nubbins`: that's cute

15:34:16 deadweasel: allegedly

15:34:43 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha ring bell for "MEAT SERVICE"

15:34:46 bounce: $other_rag presented it as the short version of that guy's 600-odd page book. I'm sure he's got bad ideas mixed inextricably with the good like any economist would

15:34:50 mircea_popescu: totally needs a nude gal next to the frozen turkeys.

15:35:07 [KS]: "<mircea_popescu> like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing" - I can see a quote coming... :)

15:35:25 mircea_popescu: i dun recall where it was, maybe the neo bee thread

15:35:53 nubbins`: putting "thanks" in quotes is the best

15:35:55 mircea_popescu: He's the one who totally won't inject your breasts with cement. Totally not that one.

15:36:04 nubbins`: if you are "pregnant"...

15:36:24 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many women go around the daily chores of their cocksucking on camera life *thinking* they have saline solution breast implants

15:36:29 mircea_popescu: when in fact it's really urine.

15:36:54 deadweasel: yuck

15:37:14 deadweasel: why yo titties so sloshy bitch?

15:38:53 mircea_popescu: http://zeqps2k4t563atbs730zvzq12aw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1858.jpg

15:38:55 mircea_popescu: pretty good one

15:39:06 mircea_popescu: picture john cleese going "well it's not bloody england now is it!"

15:40:56 nubbins`: lel

15:41:03 mircea_popescu: http://zeqps2k4t563atbs730zvzq12aw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/quote6.jpg aaaahahaha

15:41:06 nubbins`: immediately below: "management reserves the right to refuse service..."

15:41:12 Mats_cd03: id like my pee to be used to inflate boobies one day

15:41:19 Mats_cd03: what an honor

15:41:20 nubbins`: WHOA

15:41:21 mircea_popescu: you know "the throne" is common romanian parlance for the toilet bowl/seat ?

15:41:26 mircea_popescu: russian too afaik

15:42:25 pankkake: french too

15:42:57 [KS]: MP there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;topic=289730.4140;num_replies=4145

15:43:06 [KS]: happy? :)

15:43:09 nubbins`: english too

15:43:12 [KS]: I'm off. Good fun.

15:43:20 nubbins`: aka porcelain throne

15:43:28 mircea_popescu: "Only registered members are allowed to access this section." da fuck was that.

15:43:35 nubbins`: aka the ralph & bob telephone

15:44:35 mircea_popescu: "It?s 2010, and a passenger is trying to bring her live goldfish through security. One of my co-workers informs her that the fish can go through but the water cannot. The woman is on the verge of tears"

15:44:47 mircea_popescu: that'd be so epic. i'd have just taken the motherfucking fish.

15:44:51 mircea_popescu: seat it on the seat next to me

15:45:01 mircea_popescu: "sorry, obama's direct orders"

15:45:05 nubbins`: pop it in her mouth

15:45:12 mircea_popescu: supreme court says this is not a fish.

15:45:17 mircea_popescu: it's a tax.

15:45:26 nubbins`: there's usually water for sale on the other side of security

15:45:34 mircea_popescu: gold fish in mineral water

15:45:41 mircea_popescu: ahem. i mean "gold fish in mineral water"

15:45:47 nubbins`: i mean if the guard wasn't such a dick he'd have a glass of secure water on the other side of the xray

15:45:55 nubbins`: she could just pluck the fish out and pass it thru

15:46:12 mircea_popescu: stick a little q-tip in its mouyth first

15:50:12 nubbins`: swab for explosives

15:50:13 nubbins`: good idea

15:50:27 mircea_popescu: some fish puff up

15:50:32 mircea_popescu: it's almost like an explosion.

15:50:41 nubbins`: incidentally we were dismantled and swabbed when returning from colombia

15:50:55 nubbins`: canada customs asked my travelling partner: "so how was the cocaine?"

15:51:03 nubbins`: never saw a man lose color so quickly

15:51:15 mircea_popescu: see, this is why you train the entourage.

15:51:33 nubbins`: all they found on me was a GIGANTIC SPIDER hidden in my hammock

15:51:37 mircea_popescu: the correct response is "i can't remember, his cock was just fucking fantastic i forgot all about everything else"

15:51:47 nubbins`: i shouted JESUS CHRIST and the nice customs man stomped it to a paste

15:59:44 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5985816#msg5985816

15:59:45 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

15:59:55 kakobrekla: the high mpoe-pr priest has converted another one!

16:01:29 mircea_popescu: lmao who's cassandra-pr

16:18:00 moiety: oh christ http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/30/this-200000-gold-ferrari-convertible-is-fit-for-a-kickboxing-champion-4683140/

16:18:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'pleasure throne' link from your 'twitter' seems to be a knock-off of the famous 'sybian' auto-wanker.

16:18:21 mircea_popescu: certainly.

16:19:17 asciilifeform: what's interesting is that the photo looks like it was taken at a tech trade show

16:19:45 mircea_popescu: and the two look like a sort of midwestern bouvard & pecuchet

16:20:35 asciilifeform: ;;google teledildonics

16:21:46 mircea_popescu: "Levy argued that by 2050 "sex with robots will be commonplace."

16:22:03 mircea_popescu: this is such a weak statement. sex with whatever has at hand has been commonplace since forever,

16:22:14 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as by sex you mean copulation and ejaculation

16:37:30 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ticker

16:53:42 tg2: Teledildonics

16:55:28 tg2: xdotcommer ^

16:55:45 tg2: Has a phd in this field

16:57:25 benkay: ;;gpg everify benkay

16:57:30 benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay

16:58:02 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9b1f48c2d3f7308c2bfc37b583412ab487e081fbf3942171827ad295

16:58:02 benkay:

16:59:30 benkay: "A braindamaged assumption is that on account of any sort of “qualifications” or simply on account of your existence you’re pretty cool and certainly equal to anyone else. "

17:00:00 benkay: the20year2: "The market is the best instrument for both pricing assets and allocating capital that humans have stumbled upon so far."

17:00:11 benkay: i forgot all about rules and regs

17:00:14 mircea_popescu: these words...

17:00:17 mircea_popescu: they sound familiar

17:00:34 benkay: just sucking up, mp

17:00:44 benkay: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/

17:00:45 mircea_popescu: o are you a sock ?

17:00:45 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:00:52 benkay: i'm actually you

17:01:01 benkay: can't you tell by my rating?

17:01:05 benkay: it's all from your other socks.

17:02:25 mircea_popescu: i aspire to have 365 pairs of socks

17:02:38 mircea_popescu: that way, i can launder money only once a year.

17:02:49 benkay: sounds sticky

17:03:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've often wondered if there is, somewhere, a literal 'money laundry' - for trips to Dubai, etc. where a nanogram of coke merits the firing squad

17:04:04 mircea_popescu: you can mostly just put it in the wash

17:04:14 AccountantPierre: Bonjour

17:04:35 benkay: allo

17:05:26 mircea_popescu: salu

17:05:53 AccountantPierre: I'm the treasurer over at the new Satoshi Nakamoto Institute. My colleague Daniel published a new piece today: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/ Interested to hear intelligent opinions/feedback

17:06:23 benkay: ;;google good money drives out bad

17:06:43 AccountantPierre: Thier's Law applies to Bitcoin, not Gresham's

17:06:51 benkay: kinda an old saw, this 'demonetization' thing.

17:07:17 mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre were you here before / are you related to Pierre Rochard ?

17:07:23 AccountantPierre: That's me

17:07:38 mircea_popescu: aite i'll read it once im done with this cunt size post for fraudsters.

17:08:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cunt size post ?!

17:08:04 asciilifeform: ;;google go no go gauge

17:08:27 benkay: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

17:08:39 benkay: wd AccountantPierre

17:08:58 benkay: are those collections available as a single file?

17:09:41 AccountantPierre: benkay: enjoy https://github.com/NakamotoInstitute/nakamotoinstitute.org/blob/master/satoshiposts.json

17:11:46 benkay: o wow mises circle's been busy too

17:12:14 AccountantPierre: yep. We'll be transitioning all of our bitcoin posts from the mises circle to SNI

17:12:31 benkay: AccountantPierre: why is your name still on the Foundation website?

17:12:35 benkay: ;;gettrust AccountantPierre

17:12:57 AccountantPierre: Where?

17:13:06 benkay: https://members.bitcoinfoundation.org/current

17:13:36 AccountantPierre: huh, didn't know they publish that. I'm a big tent kind of guy, I post in the foundation forums

17:14:27 benkay: careful your tent doesn't get lit on fire by bfl shareholders

17:14:30 benkay: er

17:14:32 benkay: preorderer

17:14:37 benkay: arglarglargl

17:14:47 AccountantPierre: haha

17:20:31 TestingUnoDosTre: .d

17:20:31 ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1077 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.7098% in 6d 10h 37m 2s

17:22:22 mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre who draw that cartoon ?

17:22:32 mircea_popescu: drew*

17:24:21 mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre also this is prolly of interest re the entire hyperinflation/demonetisaiton : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962

17:25:09 mircea_popescu: it is an old saw, as benkay points out. that particular link references earlier reports provided by herbi who actually run the pinksheets and found the highest stock increase in the history of stock increases fails to come within one degree of magnitude of bitcoin's.

17:26:45 moiety: http://i.imgur.com/e0tEBsV.jpg

17:26:57 mircea_popescu: so to sum up, the piece suffers from the same problem illustrated by the opening cartoon : a mostly banal piece with very poor references. surely people outside of the mises circle must have written about these matters, perhaps for years.

17:27:00 benkay: put it on a pleasure throne, moiety

17:27:06 moiety: hihi benkay, how goes today

17:27:35 asciilifeform: 'pleasurethrone.com' appears defunct.

17:27:39 mircea_popescu: also disqus is fucking evil.

17:27:44 asciilifeform: guess they didn't sell that well

17:28:24 mircea_popescu: can you picture a woman buying dildos from those two guys ?

17:28:26 AccountantPierre: mircea_popescu: Daniel drew it. I'm thinking we'll phase out disqus and roll our own

17:28:33 mircea_popescu: they couldn't pass the genuine article for free.

17:28:44 mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre so then you know, say "Daniel drew it"

17:29:13 mircea_popescu: generally speaking you have no better way to ruin a first impression on the web than unsourced material

17:29:27 mircea_popescu: (other than perhaps bad tech solutions, a la disqus)

17:29:55 moiety: mircea_popescu: i thought that lol - the sign behind them says, "you are limited only by your imagination" errr and those chaps

17:30:55 mircea_popescu: moiety the idea of giving you a crown for fucking...

17:31:00 AccountantPierre: I'll take that criticism, but we do have to allocate our time as best we can

17:31:33 benkay: dunce cap

17:31:39 benkay: gotta work that into the routine

17:31:43 mircea_popescu: which part is the timesink ?

17:31:44 benkay: dunce cap and collar

17:32:03 AccountantPierre: creating a comments section

17:32:20 mircea_popescu: oh

17:32:29 moiety: lololol

17:32:29 AccountantPierre: benkay: I'll get started on making one, I need it a lot as twenty something

17:32:49 benkay: making which, AccountantPierre ?

17:32:56 AccountantPierre: the dunce cap

17:33:12 mircea_popescu: "There's no bigger joke than this mpex dude and his army of spamtroll donkeys." that's funny, because the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing a bunch of forum derps that he's running the largest shill stable in the world without having to actually pay a cent for it.

17:33:22 benkay: o hey look i don't even need to make my own sexy acoutremont any more, thanks -assets

17:33:34 mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre you know you can just register #satoshi-institute

17:33:35 mircea_popescu: or /we

17:33:50 mircea_popescu: "if you want to discuss our articles, click here"

17:33:58 benkay: nubbins`: lol'd @ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014&bots=true#592998

17:34:27 nubbins`: bright fella

17:34:57 AccountantPierre: I like that idea, the issue is the lack of distinct threads

17:36:01 benkay: AccountantPierre: emails.

17:36:05 benkay: append to post.

17:36:08 benkay: do it ghetto stylee

17:36:11 mircea_popescu: may turn out to be an advantage. but anyway.

17:36:22 benkay: best thing is this makes for no comments

17:36:29 mircea_popescu: the main focus should be much better integration. i can appreciate that a trained accountant wants to keep things well separate

17:36:35 mircea_popescu: but the internet does not, nor does the brain.

17:36:40 mircea_popescu: nor, for that matter, bitcoin.

17:36:46 mircea_popescu: so, reference more.

17:37:10 AccountantPierre: true. Appreciate your thoughts. If people knew git they could do a pull request with their comment

17:37:48 mircea_popescu: conversely, maybe only getting comments from people who know git is a blessing.

17:38:02 mircea_popescu: i know only talking to people who can run irc has worked ok for me these past coupla years.

17:38:15 benkay: GIT COMMENTS

17:38:19 benkay: HORY SHIT

17:38:41 mircea_popescu: benkay u jelly ?

17:38:50 benkay: what, of an idea? get lost.

17:38:58 mircea_popescu: u r aintcha.

17:39:06 mircea_popescu: you knew that email klutz is klutzy

17:39:06 benkay: or the massive corpus of ideas you have access to recombine on demand?

17:39:25 benkay: my life is extremely klutzy

17:39:34 mircea_popescu: so so helly :D

17:39:47 benkay: one day i'll be old too

17:39:50 benkay: you'll be senile

17:39:52 benkay: we'll be even

17:40:14 mircea_popescu: hehehe

17:41:11 benkay: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/24/1750472/why-its-tough-being-in-an-altcoin-cartel/

17:41:15 ozbot: Why it’s tough being in an altcoin cartel | FT Alphaville

17:42:34 benkay: link sux disregard

17:42:44 Mats_cd03: nub

17:43:05 benkay: feelings

17:44:56 nubbins`: heh apparently the cbc introduced our band as "D-something surgery"

17:45:05 nubbins`: bit too racy for 10am on a sunday, i guess

17:45:58 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so are you sold out yet ?

17:46:04 benkay: lol girls mom just called me

17:46:16 benkay: "hi b plz get k to call me i'd like to talk to her about something"

17:46:17 mircea_popescu: can i tell all the chicks i used to listen to dick surgery back before they were all commercialised crap ?

17:46:37 nubbins`: we're technically not sellouts until we get airplay on a station that isn't supported by tax dollars ;D

17:47:29 benkay: girls voicemail has been filled with momversations. now its time for mine.

17:49:39 nubbins`: "A guy orders 25 hits. I send him a 5x5 sheet. His feedback reads "The hit was very large but I managed to fit it in my mouth. The lines were neat. Good trip". I wonder if the guy thought the 25 hits were one!?"

17:49:40 nubbins`: hahah

17:49:57 benkay: mircea_popescu: my klutzy ass would implement patches over email anyways

17:50:05 nubbins`: guy takes 5000ug of LSD. "good trip."

17:51:06 mircea_popescu: well... you can't really od on the stuff can you ?

17:53:30 nubbins`: not in the sense that you'll cause damage to your body, no

17:53:51 nubbins`: psychological effects, different story

17:54:09 Mats_cd03: urban myth

17:54:12 nubbins`: great way to get a permanent thousand-yard stare

17:54:27 nubbins`: Mats_cd03: i'm not saying "guy now thinks he's an orange" or anything

17:54:40 tg2: I think you could probably kill yourself as a result of taking to much lsd

17:54:52 tg2: But not an od on it per se

17:55:28 Mats_cd03: ive eaten vials of the stuff and im mostly all here

17:55:44 tg2: Just getting yourself into a dangerous predicament because of it

17:55:46 BCB: what is going on with Neo and Bee at Havelock

17:55:47 nubbins`: nod, worst that usually happens is that people start thinking you're a bit odd

17:56:11 benkay: then your hair goes all frizzy and white

17:56:12 nubbins`: but the same could happen from any number of intense experiences

17:56:20 nubbins`: BCB: nothing ;D

17:56:23 benkay: BCB: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/28_havelock-freezes-neobee-trading-thickasthieves-steps-down-as-fund-manager.html

17:56:58 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518131.msg5727530#msg5727530[color=green

17:57:00 ozbot: Herp Rating Agency

17:57:03 mircea_popescu: herp had a rating agency ?

17:57:09 mircea_popescu: the forum never ends.

17:57:25 mircea_popescu: "Herp Rating Agency is an initiative born out of the need for due diligence in the Bitcoin ecosystem."

17:57:30 benkay: neo and bee - buy

17:57:39 benkay: a++ rating would read again

17:57:47 BCB: benkay, hmmm... another bitcoin scam?

17:57:52 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/7w1dawk.jpg

17:57:54 kakobrekla: nubbins` this thing you linked earlier from the log, its in the bash, this one precisely:

17:57:57 kakobrekla: BCB http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=43

17:58:05 benkay: BCB: save your cash and assume anything on Havelock is a scam.

17:58:17 mircea_popescu: few better ways to establish credibility than to awkwardly cut away the watermark on some unrelated design

17:58:38 nubbins`: kakobrekla, one of my finer moments

17:58:57 benkay: ;;later tell JorgePasada hey lookie you're famous now: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=90

17:59:01 BCB: benkay, so neo and bee is as scammy as havelock?

17:59:22 kakobrekla: no, the other way around i think

17:59:36 BCB: havelock is as scammy os neo and bee

17:59:48 nubbins`: nah man, HIF is totally gonna pay dividends like they promised

17:59:49 benkay: BCB: impossible to differentiate incompetence and malice from this dimension

18:00:17 benkay: hey youse guise today i learned bitcoin doesn't have the discipline to be a monopoly

18:00:17 nubbins`: they're totally not an order of magnitude short on volume-based trading fees either

18:00:19 benkay: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/23/1749972/attack-of-the-killer-rentiers/?

18:00:22 ozbot: Attack of the killer rentiers | FT Alphaville

18:00:24 BCB: benkay, tuur demeester was a big proponent of neo and bee

18:00:33 benkay: BCB: so?

18:00:36 nubbins`: turd meister?

18:00:44 benkay: shh nubbins` where are your manners

18:00:45 nubbins`: A+++++ would trust based on name

18:00:53 BCB: benkay, I thought he was one of the good guys ( like mircea popescu )

18:01:06 benkay: what is good?

18:01:12 kakobrekla: good is bad.

18:01:17 BCB: benkay, does his due dilligence.

18:01:23 MykelSIlver: You can't even trust Satoshi

18:01:28 BCB: everyone just reads press releases like they are FACT

18:01:35 benkay: inability to distinguish between people who say things that sound nice to your ears and people who routinely make good calls is the source of a lot of wasted BTC.

18:01:43 BCB: coindesk is the worst thing to come along in bitcoin land

18:01:54 mircea_popescu: BCB there's a lengthy history of dubious ventures enlisting otherwise good guys who are a little bit naive and a little bit in over their head.

18:02:04 mircea_popescu: labcoin did it, activemining did it, pirate definitely did it.

18:02:06 benkay: BCB: i've yet to read a thing from him that was particularly useful. granted, i've not dug in depth.

18:02:22 kakobrekla: labcoin was not a naive thing

18:02:27 BCB: benkay, I don't read him all all but he is all over the place

18:02:29 kakobrekla: nor was pirate

18:02:35 mircea_popescu: people are slow to learn this lesson, especially because otherwise good guys with a diploma imagine retarded shit a la "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" and eschew sucking their cocks.

18:02:38 kakobrekla: active i dunno.

18:02:48 benkay: BCB: all over where? i'm pretty well read and he doesn't even register on my feeds.

18:02:49 BCB: mircea_popescu, what about jon matonis

18:02:57 mircea_popescu: there's this philosophy of "do everything by yourself" prevalent in the us, and it is getting people in trouble in bitcoin space something fierce.

18:03:00 kakobrekla: what about roger ver

18:03:09 BCB: kakobrekla, criminal

18:03:26 mircea_popescu: BCB im not about to discuss individuals unless i have something specific to say.

18:03:51 BCB: mircea_popescu, shocking. I guess I should MOP PR

18:03:56 BCB: *ask

18:04:06 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dunno, re pirate say, i believe people like copumpkin were moreover clueless and well meaning in their dysfunctional, social-justice-y sort of way

18:04:10 kakobrekla: you meant MOB PR?

18:04:12 mircea_popescu: rather than outright criminal.

18:04:40 mircea_popescu: BCB she's worse in that respect. by the time she's calling out your name you're going down.

18:05:00 BCB: mircea_popescu, the pirate victims were just greedy

18:05:06 BCB: blinded by greed

18:05:07 benkay: AccountantPierre: this is what you want to be writing http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/06/1733392/when-qe-becomes-decentralised/

18:05:19 BCB: pigs get fatter hogs get slaughtered

18:05:25 mircea_popescu: benkay what is with you and ft blogs. they're unreadable.

18:05:44 the20year2: benkay: which market?

18:06:04 benkay: the20year2: are you serious?

18:06:21 the20year2: i just ctrl+f your sentence and didn't read much previous from there

18:06:45 benkay: The market

18:06:51 benkay: i don't--

18:06:57 BCB: mircea_popescu, what about the bitcoin foundation

18:07:02 benkay: uuaghuaghuaa

18:07:18 benkay: mircea_popescu: must be my broken american brainz

18:07:30 benkay: (Diablo-D3: graiiinz)

18:07:47 BCB: has anyone read the new o'reiley bitcoin book?

18:08:01 Diablo-D3: benkay: hee

18:08:27 mircea_popescu: BCB teh scamdation has collected btc donations, failed to release reports and then collected more btc "donations" from various scams it vouched for.

18:08:28 kakobrekla: BCB the questions you are asking re people and stuff have mostly been talked about. search around the logs and blogs, this is not a spoonfeeding party

18:08:45 mircea_popescu: pretty much the best way to ensure you won't get anywhere in bitcoin is to involve yourself with the bitcoin foundation.

18:08:51 BCB: kakobrekla, I'm bored. Sorry

18:09:04 mircea_popescu: it's roughly speaking the nambla of this space.

18:09:30 kakobrekla: North American Man/Boy Love Association ?

18:09:41 mircea_popescu: the same

18:09:51 BCB: kakobrekla, I'm writing a bash implementation of a blockchain parser and I needed to take a break

18:09:53 AccountantPierre: benkay: "private QE" is as played out as "monetization". Unsurprisingly I prefer my own analytical framework: http://themisescircle.org/blog/2013/12/15/the-bitcoin-central-banks-perfect-monetary-policy/

18:10:17 BCB: AccountantPierre, I thought you guys were closing down the misescircle

18:10:34 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ticker

18:10:38 AccountantPierre: Not closing down, but transitioning bitcoin stuff to SNI

18:10:46 BCB: ahh

18:10:57 benkay: AccountantPierre: you said synergistically

18:11:06 benkay: my eyes are bleeding

18:11:48 AccountantPierre: benkay: you're welcome

18:12:33 benkay: AccountantPierre: fiduciary media aren't impossible, just nigh impossible

18:12:44 BCB: mircea_popescu, BTW i'm an excellent monopoly player

18:12:45 benkay: with a TB blockchain, they may become necessary.

18:13:33 mircea_popescu: BCB it's a trivial game really.

18:14:08 novusordo: it was fun to play for BTC a year or so back

18:14:27 novusordo: some OTCers made a channel for it, don't remember what it was

18:14:51 AccountantPierre: benkay: that quickly gets into a semantic debate of what fiduciary media is. I don't view off-blockchain transactions with coinbase-bux to be fiduciary media. You'd have to create something I can send to a bitcoin address and the recipient thinks its bitcoins. Nigh impossible indeed

18:14:59 mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall the monopoly btc thing

18:15:23 benkay: that's a neat position on fidiuciary media.

18:15:36 the20year2: Are you an accountant?

18:16:14 novusordo: mircea_popescu: i remember playing it with aethero and lucidlepidoptera, lol

18:16:16 mircea_popescu: o yeah, check this out, a match made in heaven.

18:16:29 mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre what'd you need to be paid to audit the20year2's rental properties corp ?

18:16:52 mircea_popescu: novusordo are those two still together ?

18:16:58 novusordo: not a clue

18:17:16 mircea_popescu: stormy was pretty hot. aethero was... pretty strange.

18:17:18 AccountantPierre: a real audit or just some specific due diligence procedures?

18:17:23 mircea_popescu: a real audit.

18:17:37 mircea_popescu: certify his book.

18:17:39 AccountantPierre: estimated amount of assets? visiting properties could get expensive, where are they?

18:17:43 nubbins`: aethero was just mentioned in -otc

18:17:45 mircea_popescu: all in ohio.

18:17:47 nubbins`: regarding ops that went bad

18:17:50 the20year2: ~$500k of assets including bitcoin

18:18:15 the20year2: 6 properties, central Ohio , although i don't know if physical inspection would be absolutely needed when you could just get deed copies

18:18:43 mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre afaik it's not customary to do a ground inspection if torrens title is available neh ?

18:18:48 mircea_popescu: o wait, the us doesn't use torrens

18:18:59 the20year2: We file deeds at the county auditor

18:19:23 *: mircea_popescu is pretty well clueless as to real estate auditing procedures adequate for central ohio

18:19:30 AccountantPierre: depends on risk assessment at beginning of audit

18:19:37 the20year2: I'm not aware of any state that uses torrens, though canada I believe does

18:19:43 the20year2: What kind of risk assessment?

18:20:09 mircea_popescu: the20year2 well if the auditor suspects fraud or under some court mandates etc.

18:20:45 AccountantPierre: risk of material misstatement of the financials. $25k for a one man cpa shop.

18:21:05 the20year2: Ouch

18:21:20 mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre for my own repository of factoids, what's the insurance premium hike look like after a forfeit for material misstatement ?

18:22:01 AccountantPierre: Insurance for the CPA firm or for the audit client? Either way, no clue, never dealt with that kind of insurance

18:22:12 mircea_popescu: the insurane firm

18:22:15 the20year2: I wasn't aware they sold insurance to CPAs

18:22:17 mircea_popescu: uh, you're not insured ?!

18:22:23 mircea_popescu: whoa ?!

18:22:37 the20year2: I'm not a CPA

18:22:51 AccountantPierre: there are thousands of people at my firm, division of labor, someone else takes care of that

18:22:59 AccountantPierre: "my firm" as in "my employer"

18:23:12 mircea_popescu: aha.

18:23:34 BCB: mircea_popescu, I could reccomend a cpa for around 10K for a full audit

18:23:54 mircea_popescu: kinda besides the point now isn't it.

18:24:03 the20year2: When we were looking for book audits for a TSX listing possibility they ran $15k/yr

18:24:58 the20year2: Of course $25k might not be terribly bad if you're sending a guy to Ohio to physically visit properties and review deed copies

18:25:12 benkay: kinda one of those things you expect a REIT to be able to afford.

18:25:13 BCB: novusordo, what ever happened to aethero, anyone know?

18:25:42 the20year2: Not for one with only 6 properties and less than $500k of properties, that's 5% a year in just audits

18:25:44 BCB: mircea_popescu, hire a certified CPA in ohio

18:26:08 the20year2: Would make alot more sense to just hire a 3rd party agent or title company to do the investigation, hire a title search on all the properties, will run you $75/ea

18:26:27 AccountantPierre: Yeah, hire a local guy, not a big 4 firm based out of nyc

18:26:27 benkay: doesn't really sound like a REIT at that scale. more like a hodgepodge.

18:26:29 the20year2: $150-$200 for lawyer review

18:28:06 mircea_popescu: BCB he tried to start some sort of business, listed it on btct if memory serves, and well... just like all the others.

18:28:47 BCB: mircea_popescu, he left a lot of guys on otc and btcjam holding the bag as well

18:29:15 mircea_popescu: yeah i guess this match wasn't made in heaven in any sense. a well :p

18:31:01 the20year2: We were on BF when they closed up

18:43:49 mircea_popescu: moiety https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5988372#msg5988372 they are on to you nao my fine scottish friend.

18:46:52 the20year2: anyone understand what's going on with neobee?

18:49:46 benkay: there are two facts.

18:50:13 moiety: mircea_popescu: lolol holy fuck lol i hope mpoe-pr isnt offended. i would like to reply, they should go here http://i.imgur.com/Z7lAjiF.jpg

18:50:25 Duffer1: must be odd to be called a scammer by minerpart

18:51:57 benkay: http://f3000.tumblr.com/

18:51:58 ozbot: FUCK3000

18:55:08 andyfletcher: It is all getting more than a bit personal on bitcointalk

19:02:26 mircea_popescu: moiety in mpoe-pr's own words, "incredible how the ciucius of the world manage to sound exactly alike. no matter their nationalities and motha tongues."

19:03:58 mircea_popescu: in other news, reddit does feelings : no matter their nationalities and motha tongues

19:04:00 mircea_popescu: oops

19:04:03 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/15vjvc/i_was_violently_raped_last_summer_i_know_im/

19:04:57 novusordo: BCB: no idea, I never got anything back from the small amount I put into his business that never got off the ground

19:05:22 novusordo: haven't heard anything from/about him since that ship sunk

19:07:28 mircea_popescu: benkay seems like a happy couple.

19:08:58 benkay: rly? i see a few different both boys and girls

19:09:49 benkay: just contri-putin

19:11:12 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1764871/

19:11:13 ozbot: dpaste: #1764871

19:11:23 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the ever vigilant forum is wiping out the neobee discussion

19:11:37 mircea_popescu: what was the link to that copy ?

19:12:21 moiety: i hadn't read that page, her comment about all true scotsmen make a lot more sense now mircea_popescu lol can you pass on my apologies

19:12:52 benkay: mircea_popescu: why are you subjecting us to forum :(

19:14:42 kakobrekla: >A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator.

19:14:54 kakobrekla: oh yeah, i got a huge pile of those too

19:14:58 ThickAsThieves: that's some heavt moderation

19:15:01 ThickAsThieves: heavy*

19:15:26 ThickAsThieves: i saw, i think it was, extrader saying he knew some way to get a "fudster" moderated

19:15:46 ThickAsThieves: looks like he is on th ehunt

19:17:02 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-217

19:17:05 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 217 | Bitcointa.lk

19:17:06 mircea_popescu: better bitcointalk, basically.

19:20:18 tg2: Whoa whoa hold the phone

19:20:25 tg2: there's drama? On the internet?

19:23:23 tg2: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/993/tumblr_m0wb2xz9Yh1r08e3p.jpg

19:25:18 benkay: stahp

19:25:20 benkay: ;;ticker

19:25:21 benkay: .bait

19:25:22 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/a61444ffeb14607d25a4f21c7c53f990/tumblr_mpg854pH0k1r62m2no1_1280.jpg

19:25:33 benkay: holy smokes 450?

19:25:42 mircea_popescu: is that a bvad thing ?

19:26:04 benkay: psh yeah doncha know bitcoins only useful when it goes up in value

19:26:36 benkay: aw man

19:26:56 benkay: in the space of 1 week i have forgotten everything about the conformal btc libs

19:44:46 mircea_popescu: hahaha check out bitcointa.lk : mpoe-pr is the only one with an avatar.

19:45:51 BCB: mircea_popescu, did you fund bitcointa.lk

19:46:14 mircea_popescu: nope.

19:46:20 mircea_popescu: the owner linked it here a while bakc

20:15:00 steven-__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEtrIjzsceM&feature=youtu.be&t=17m0s andreas antonopoulos doing his thing

20:15:01 ozbot: Is Bitcoin a flash in the pan? - Coinsumm.it - YouTube

20:15:42 steven-__: couldn't help checking out a few of the talks even after reading benkays post

20:16:47 mircea_popescu: what, STILL ?

20:16:58 mircea_popescu: 2011 called, it wants its rethorical questions back please.

20:45:07 benkay: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Rwanda+years+later/9674013/story.html << surely this has happened before

20:45:08 ozbot: Rwanda: 20 years later

20:46:24 benkay: obviously a lot of that is NGO pearl clutching for funds.

20:47:18 mircea_popescu: ^

20:47:20 cazalla: steven-__: that guy makes me cringe

20:47:44 benkay: "Survivors groups worry that 20 years after the genocide, international funding will dry up completely"

20:47:50 benkay: le sigh

20:50:23 the20year2: how many funds were made available for the holomodor?

20:51:17 mircea_popescu: actually people did try to donate

20:51:31 mircea_popescu: many us jewish people with fresh memories, plenty of others

20:54:50 nubbins`: pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5990321#msg5990321

20:55:13 pankkake: thanks

20:55:30 pankkake: I do know him, which is bothering me

20:55:31 pankkake: :(

20:55:47 nubbins`: never underestimate the tenacity of butthurt internet people

20:55:52 Duffer1: i wrote him a haiku

20:56:53 Duffer1: that dotcoin scammer talks like alberto armandi

20:57:29 pankkake: he told me in PM ps: i see you speak german its called " Kopffick " thats what happen to you now

20:57:38 pankkake: I don't speak german and google doesn't help me

20:57:42 benkay: on an entirely different topic, what are good "me@mydomain" emails?

20:57:50 benkay: not horrendously unprofessional

20:57:59 benkay: not stupidly web2.0

20:58:01 pankkake: firstname@lastname ?

20:58:04 benkay: eg "me@"

20:58:13 pankkake: me@firstnamelastname

20:58:17 benkay: dorp

20:59:07 pankkake: or something related to what you do? say you're a plumper name joe, me@joeplumber

20:59:33 nubbins`: me@benkay.com

20:59:56 benkay: holy shit benkay.com is available

21:00:01 nubbins`: BETTER HURRY

21:00:03 benkay: first time since i got on the internet

21:00:08 *: nubbins` registers

21:00:14 pankkake: there are bots auto-registering names

21:00:33 pankkake: just hope they don't crawl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

21:00:45 benkay: no i have the domain, that's fine.

21:01:15 benkay: i'm just startled to the sushi joint's moved on from the domain in question

21:01:36 pankkake: I maintain links to band websites, they're replaced by spam very quickly after expiration

21:11:46 artifexd: benkay Do you see a problem with me@whatever.com emails?

21:14:51 mircea_popescu: "Interesting, Romain Bignon is a Python dev. Pankkake had some python work done for MP"

21:14:54 mircea_popescu: clearly.

21:16:12 nubbins`: interestingly, these idiots aren't working for scotland yard

21:28:38 mircea_popescu: well, derpland yard. just as good.

21:28:55 nubbins`: "perhaps we should pursue legal action"

21:29:14 nubbins`: yes. perhaps.

21:29:26 mircea_popescu: haha, they are behind 7 lawyers.

21:29:30 nubbins`: !!

21:29:34 mircea_popescu: "Unless you prove otherwise I think it is fair and right that me and dotcoin both see that quite a bit of evidence points to you being Romain Bignon."

21:29:37 mircea_popescu: logically.

21:29:48 nubbins`: y'know, prove a negative

21:29:56 mircea_popescu: unless you bring me a praline i shall eat your cake.

21:30:40 mircea_popescu: pankkake anyway, dun freak out. buncha forum derps.

21:31:00 pankkake: the real issue is that it's not me they're stalking

21:31:11 pankkake: I'm pretty used to threats

21:31:23 mircea_popescu: benkay what's wrong with initial-name@corp ?

21:32:07 mircea_popescu: pankkake so contact the person, offer to appear as witness, they can prolly get teh gendarmerie involved

21:32:10 nubbins`: honestly the oddest thing about this whole "everyone is mp" thing is that there's a much, much simpler explanation, and people just refuse to believe. seriously, as if you having a hundred sock accounts, each with a distinct writing style, is a more plausible explanation than you paying someone to post on the forums

21:32:16 pankkake: he's a friend

21:32:47 benkay: artifexd: me@whatever doesn't really convey the right image

21:32:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` why would i pay people to pretend they're not speaking for me ?

21:33:04 pankkake: and I don't want friends to be bothered

21:33:11 benkay: mircea_popescu: i've yet to settle on a thing. canvassing people who've seen things, you see.

21:33:12 pankkake: of course he's also used to threats :D

21:33:27 artifexd: What image do you want to convey?

21:33:33 nubbins`: why would people think pankkake is you?

21:33:42 benkay: artifexd: excellent question.

21:33:43 nubbins`: why would anybody anything :D it boggles the mind

21:33:53 mircea_popescu: im kinda basking in the glory of being... mp. da fuck do i care, teh forum is going to dox the hell out of "mircea popescu is really... this romanian guy... by the name... mircea popescu"

21:33:59 nubbins`: ^

21:34:00 nubbins`: heh

21:34:03 nubbins`: IMPOSSIBRU

21:34:13 nubbins`: next you'll tell me satoshi nakam... wait.

21:34:34 mircea_popescu: those are the words that must never be spoken nubbins`

21:34:52 nubbins`: oh fuck did i let the cat out of the bag?

21:34:58 nubbins`: kakobrekla can you edit the logs plz

21:35:12 nubbins`: and thus a new conspiracy is born

21:36:15 mircea_popescu: in my forum reports, "ragehead scammer derping all over pankakke https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545220.new#new"

21:36:20 mircea_popescu: right next to

21:36:33 mircea_popescu: "some noob made an anti-davout hate thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=548245.0"

21:36:37 mircea_popescu: what is it with you french people.

21:37:07 pankkake: davout has the best haters right now: http://www.actubitcoin.fr/

21:37:14 kakobrekla: >French members are tired.

21:37:20 kakobrekla: zomg. endoftheworld.swf

21:37:25 kakobrekla: literally.

21:37:26 pankkake: you might have trouble reading his French, as he has terrible spelling

21:37:28 kakobrekla: with quotes.

21:38:05 mircea_popescu: o actu short for actuel or w/e. clever.

21:38:11 kakobrekla: i dunno, someone write to him to have a nap.

21:38:28 davout: "actu" is "news"

21:38:42 mircea_popescu: "David Francois est n?e le 29 Mai 1983, ?g? donc de 30 ans" why teh fag glasses davout ?!

21:38:53 mircea_popescu: "Il est n?e ? Leiden au Pays-Bas."

21:38:58 mircea_popescu: fascinating.

21:39:33 davout: n'est-ce pas

21:39:41 pankkake: so davout used to be a girl

21:39:44 nubbins`: heh

21:39:50 nubbins`: more like davPOUT, amirite?

21:39:54 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

21:40:00 mircea_popescu: davpoutine

21:40:12 mircea_popescu: "Je soup?onne un montage fiscal permettant une fraude massive ."

21:40:15 davout: mircea_popescu: thanks, didn't know about the english thread

21:40:43 mircea_popescu: well it's good that they soup cony or whatever.

21:41:10 nubbins`: when i lived in ottawa, it was not uncommon for clueless anglos to approach a poutine stand and loudly declare JE VOUDRAIS UNE POUTAIN

21:41:28 pankkake: hahaha

21:41:28 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545292.msg5956581#msg5956581 << check out pankkake trying to get forum noobs to pay for his nosejob :D

21:41:30 ozbot: ActiveMining thread mods are actively trying to scam people

21:42:05 nubbins`: quqbecois insert the tiniest hint of an "s" after the "t" in poutine

21:42:11 nubbins`: poutseen

21:42:15 pankkake: I have been told I have a beautiful nose

21:42:28 pankkake: and my nose job was an inside job

21:42:33 mircea_popescu: hahaha

21:42:38 tg2: Somebody say poutine?

21:42:43 pankkake: it's call turbinoplastie

21:42:46 pankkake: TURBINES

21:42:57 mircea_popescu: rhinoturbinoplasty

21:43:21 nubbins`: turbhinoplasty

21:43:36 nubbins`: tg2 many times

21:43:36 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530306.0

21:43:38 ozbot: VIRCUREX IS RUNNING WITH NEGATIVE NAV: BEWARE EVERYBODY

21:43:39 mircea_popescu: lalala

21:43:48 pankkake: last thing I did was my teeth getting scrubbed for two hours straight. it's fun

21:43:58 mircea_popescu: i guess it's time for some rating

21:43:58 pankkake: I go back this week

21:44:00 mircea_popescu: ;;rated kumala

21:44:10 mircea_popescu: ;;gpg eauth

21:44:14 nubbins`: one evening at a poutine stand in downtown ottawa, guy in front of me waits in line for 2-3 minutes and orders a bucket of water when his turn comes. worker says "a bucket of water? why?"

21:44:17 mircea_popescu: ;;gpg eauth mircea_popescu

21:44:22 nubbins`: guy responds "your garbage can is on fire"

21:44:40 benkay: lol canada

21:44:44 nubbins`: right?

21:44:48 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8668ebe8d03a1f2c32d4fc1acd38cf1a08ea8c443c55528ea0165ba4

21:44:51 nubbins`: can't just bust into the front of the line :D

21:44:58 benkay: you people.

21:45:14 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kumala -10 consumate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack.

21:45:26 nubbins`: i think it's "consummate"

21:45:37 mircea_popescu: ;;rate kumala -10 consummate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack.

21:45:38 mircea_popescu: ty.

21:46:04 mircea_popescu: ;;rate hanbot 5 The forum loves her a lot.

21:46:59 pankkake: nice nickname

21:48:00 mircea_popescu: "When people try to launch start-up, like chronocoin in france, or beegcoin, or others, immediately, he try to attack website, he writes aggresive messages and delete topic."

21:48:01 mircea_popescu: for shame.

21:49:15 davout: many delete. such shame. wow

21:49:23 tg2: That English it's for shame

21:49:53 pankkake: sad part is, their French isn't any better

21:50:00 mircea_popescu: down with this oppression from leiden! people wish to be free and launch assets!

21:50:05 nubbins`: "nubbins you may be asked or told to hand over this info by dotcoins lawyer, I would suggest you do that sooner rather than later."

21:50:09 nubbins`: my fucking SIDES

21:50:14 nubbins`: somebody's paying for side surgery

21:50:17 nubbins`: and it ain't me

21:50:23 mircea_popescu: i ain't payin for your sides

21:50:27 mircea_popescu: they were broken when you got here

21:50:37 nubbins`: hmm, is that why they're always aching?

21:50:46 mircea_popescu: you're a sideist

21:51:08 nubbins`: better that than a frontist :D

21:51:12 pankkake: "NotLambchop is a Belize-registered virtual identity law firm wholly owned by TheMiracle, which represents itself and its profits. We (they) are the legal council representing pankkake et al. and others too" :D

21:51:19 davout: nubbins`: markus weiler, he is the archetypal village idiot

21:51:21 tg2: Daveout du you even sock bro

21:51:26 nubbins`: ;;google frontist

21:51:29 tg2: learn2sock

21:51:34 mircea_popescu: that guy's from something awful, amusingly enough.

21:51:48 davout: tg2: wut

21:52:06 mircea_popescu: davout he's just trying to be part of the cool kids, dun fret.

21:52:23 nubbins`: heh

21:52:32 nubbins`: i like the hint of empty threat

21:52:34 davout: tg2: may i see your haters please?

21:52:36 nubbins`: you may be asked... or TOLD

21:52:45 mircea_popescu: "Tell you what - I'm at the UKDCA meeting in London on Monday - anyone is welcome to come and accuse me of whatever to my face, when I can likewise see your face and we can communicate like humans."

21:52:51 mircea_popescu: someone should go and moon him.

21:53:13 tg2: I kindly direct you to benkay

21:54:49 mircea_popescu: "If you continue to post in the thread you will be reported to theymos who could take further action. You have already been asked to stop posting."

21:54:50 tg2: Don't worry about getting ousted from the French section, the French have historically demonstrated difficulty in that field.

21:54:56 mircea_popescu: this is like usagi level of internet threatening

21:55:12 nubbins`: STOP OR I WILL TELL TUPPERWARE I MEAN THERMOS

21:55:28 benkay: don't forget to burp the thermos

21:55:54 mircea_popescu: "My father emotionally, physically and sexually abused me. I moved out at the age of seventeen, hoping to escape all the pain, only to find out that it would follow me. My psyche and boundaries were very damaged and I did not realize that because of my upbringing and appearance I attracted sexual predators.

21:55:56 mircea_popescu: After marrying at age twenty-one, I discovered my husband was a porn addict. So great was his sexual perversity and infidelity that I was at a loss to know what to do to save my marriage. Finally, after five years of marriage, I sought counseling from my church pastor."

21:56:08 tg2: Crisse que les français sont des bébés lala

21:56:21 mircea_popescu: ^upcoming ipo.

21:56:27 nubbins`: would buy

21:56:36 benkay: now iploling feelings

21:56:48 tg2: "Mon thread d'innocent s'est fait effacer, qq"

21:57:22 mircea_popescu: twist : "I had no idea that this man had a history of being a sexual predator. He had been moved from church to church after each report of sexual abuse but no other action was taken, nor was the new congregation warned. After several counseling sessions he gained my trust."

21:57:48 tg2: Rape magnet

21:58:00 tg2: There's an app for that

22:05:20 benkay: candy crush 'character's on nyse for ipo?

22:05:25 benkay: cooooooool.

22:05:30 benkay: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/business/in-some-ways-its-looking-like-1999-in-the-stock-market.html

22:05:52 the20year2: shock, surprise

22:06:13 mircea_popescu: yeah. in some ways it's looking like 1929

22:07:16 benkay: "soup lines" -> "soup mobs"

22:07:33 the20year2: tech may be in a bubble? No way

22:07:34 the20year2: those are lies

22:08:45 davout: ;;eauth davout

22:08:48 mircea_popescu: and by tech we mean, of course... "hey ma, i made a website"

22:08:52 mircea_popescu: slash iphone app

22:09:21 benkay: this is tech specific and not endemic to fiat-denominated stocks?

22:09:23 nubbins`: slash i need money for my idea

22:09:29 *: benkay scrambles for the 25-year s/p chart

22:09:43 davout: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e0bfc984b8a7ad54d1c869b166c2bf660e57f8598a81d67ec713754c

22:09:51 davout: ;;rated ThomasV

22:10:05 davout: ;;rate ThomasV 3 electrum

22:10:36 jurov: ThomasV is etotheipi?

22:11:11 pankkake: etotheipi is Armory

22:11:53 jurov: ohhhh sry

22:15:02 nubbins`: i let four pounds of ground pork spoil :(

22:17:12 the20year2: you terrible human

22:17:17 the20year2: that could have fed a village

22:17:35 nubbins`: i actually feel pretty bad about it

22:17:43 nubbins`: i dislike wasting food

22:17:59 deadweasel: beef abuse

22:18:20 deadweasel: as if it could be abused anymore

22:18:23 nubbins`: pork abuse

22:18:53 deadweasel: oh man, the brain is replacing words again.

22:20:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you don't have any cold left in canada ?

22:20:40 nubbins`: i ground it and then left it in the fridge for like 5 days

22:20:41 mircea_popescu: way i hear it works in these northern places, people just fit a box to their windowsill

22:20:52 nubbins`: stupid :(

22:20:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` heh even 2 days is wrong.

22:20:58 nubbins`: i know D:

22:21:12 nubbins`: "i should freeze that" (3 days pass)

22:22:04 nubbins`: http://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/4438727-medical-marijuana-changes-must-meet-patient-needs/

22:22:06 ozbot: Medical marijuana changes must meet patient needs

22:22:36 nubbins`: so patients who possess marijuana from the old program have been given a reprieve, and don't have to throw their old weed in the garbage just yet

22:23:14 mircea_popescu: they can threow it in the bong instead.

22:23:46 nubbins`: +1

22:23:56 nubbins`: or the vaporizer! combustion is for rubes

22:24:23 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/medical-marijuana-users-face-rising-price-dilemma-april-1-1.2592017

22:24:24 ozbot: Medical marijuana users face rising price dilemma April 1 - British Columbia - CBC News

22:24:26 nubbins`: ^ better source

22:24:49 benkay: that's like pulling just the booze out of a fine wine, nubbins`,

22:25:00 nubbins`: nahhh

22:25:13 nubbins`: vaporizing releases much more detectible flavor compounds

22:25:21 nubbins`: you light it on fire, all you taste is char

22:25:29 benkay: same with a steak!

22:25:40 benkay: for some value of same.

22:25:41 nubbins`: same with coffee!

22:25:57 benkay: a little burninating's fine.

22:27:15 mircea_popescu: this is pretty interesting : https://twitter.com/relateablefuuu/status/443142501268869120/photo/1

22:27:36 mircea_popescu: guy with 600 followers and already following 2001 people somehow gets 800 retweets

22:27:41 nubbins`: "Alison Myrden of Burlington, Ont., says it costs just pennies for her designated grower to produce the more than 100 grams of marijuana she needs each day to relieve symptoms of multiple sclerosis and trigeminal neuralgia, a disorder of the nervous system that causes especially intense discomfort."

22:27:44 mircea_popescu: yet i've never heard of the post.

22:27:57 nubbins`: she ingests ONE HUNDRED GRAMS of marijuana.

22:28:00 nubbins`: A DAY.

22:28:15 mircea_popescu: could we be at the point where people actually buy fake/spam retweets to try and prop themselves into the conversation ?

22:28:23 nubbins`: that's a gram every ten minutes

22:28:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` well if she eats it...

22:28:41 nubbins`: even worse

22:28:59 nubbins`: eating 100g in a day? you might as well induce a coma

22:29:22 nubbins`: seriously, get a daily smoker to eat two grams and they'll spend the next ten hours seriously reconsidering their choice

22:29:45 nubbins`: i can only hope she makes a tincture or something

22:29:46 mircea_popescu: so she's selling it you're thinking ?

22:30:10 peterl: maybe she means she needs a few pennies for 100 milligrams?

22:30:25 peterl: units, how do they work?

22:30:56 jurov: don't they measure hash in libraries of congress or sth?

22:31:09 mircea_popescu: yeah i doubt very much it costs a quarter per pound to make weed.

22:31:26 mircea_popescu: peterl prolly has it.

22:33:28 nubbins`: no, i don't think she's selling, it'd be too brazen. she wouldn't agree to be interviewed

22:33:34 nubbins`: no doubt she boils it up to make tea or some such

22:34:01 nubbins`: i just can't comprehend what wasteful method of preparation causes this poor woman to have to go through over a quarter pound every day of her life

22:34:48 peterl: maybe she just burns it as incense instead of smoking it?

22:34:59 nubbins`: i honestly have no idea

22:35:08 nubbins`: maybe her MS really is just that intense

22:35:22 nubbins`: i've seen people with MS who seize so bad that they can't even communicate

22:35:25 jurov: i think she bathes in it

22:35:32 nubbins`: few puffs and they can function normally

22:35:35 nubbins`: it's actually fucked

22:36:03 mircea_popescu: maybe she feeds it to her cats and then rubs them ?

22:36:09 nubbins`: heh.

22:36:14 nubbins`: animal abuse!

22:36:18 jurov: civet coffee comes to mind

22:36:24 jurov: perish the thought

22:38:29 nubbins`: civet coffee doesn't even taste particularly good

22:39:00 nubbins`: i've seen pictures of freshly-shat civet coffee covered in intestinal worms

22:39:31 nubbins`: protip: coffee isn't magic, you're not guaranteed a good cup just because it came from location X or was processed via method Y

22:40:15 nubbins`: protip: you can taste the best coffees in the world whenever you want, for $5-15 per pound

22:40:19 nubbins`: anyway

22:40:20 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/BC/ID/2445586237/

22:40:21 ozbot: Topless artist smashes ceramic breasts - CBC News Vancouver at 6 - CBC Player

22:40:49 Diablo-D3: ... is the name of my coldplay cover band

22:41:21 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/a331f08b68884919ccb845a73890b6df/tumblr_mlajx5ODav1s49lc7o1_1280.jpg

22:45:48 Mats_cd03: gross

22:46:37 Mats_cd03: i dont need bald dudes in the same frame as the boobies

22:52:14 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5991722#msg5991722

22:52:16 ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'

22:52:24 nubbins`: such negative language

22:52:31 nubbins`: calling people spastics and retards ;(

22:52:56 pankkake: "spastic" c'est bien une insulte de rosbif

22:53:01 Duffer1: the level of stupid in that thread is.. i can't even find an adequate adjective..

22:53:35 nubbins`: mmhmm

22:53:40 nubbins`: back-to-back freakout posts

22:53:49 nubbins`: "here's some more shit i read on the internet, ctrl-v"

22:54:01 nubbins`: guy is literally falling apart at the seams

22:54:17 nubbins`: "And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake"

22:54:27 pankkake: sounds dirty

22:54:31 nubbins`: yup

22:54:33 Duffer1: you woud be too if you held a large stake in actm

22:54:41 nubbins`: plainly obvious at this point that the guy isn't going to be contacting anyone. ever.

22:54:57 nubbins`: if he was going to, he'd do it, rather than flapping his gums trying to scare a confession out of you

22:55:13 pankkake: well since he is talking about antitrust, yes - doesn't need to be a lawyer to see how offtopic it is

22:55:35 pankkake: but yes, typical harassment

22:55:44 pankkake: as long as he harasses only me… I'm ok with it

22:55:44 Duffer1: antitrust != defamation

22:56:08 pankkake: and doesn't even concern people but businesses

22:57:33 nubbins`: imagine going to any sort of authority with the claim "an anonymous frenchman is saying bad things about a company i've invested in, and he says he will shut up if you pay him 30 euros"

22:57:52 nubbins`: DEAR GOD SIR WE WILL ASSEMBLE A TASK FORCE IMMEDIATELY

22:58:18 nubbins`: best part:

22:58:27 nubbins`: <h1>You are ALL going to pay for your own stupidity and greed soon.</h1>

22:58:32 nubbins`: what does that even mean D:

22:58:41 Duffer1: that was the only part of pankakke's discourse that i thought was trollish lol

22:58:43 mircea_popescu: rosbif = roastbeef ?

22:59:02 pankkake: mircea_popescu: yes. a nickname for UK people

22:59:06 Duffer1: "Price: 0.005 BTC per post, i.e. 1 BTC gives you 200 posts."

22:59:26 pankkake: so much drama for something that netted me 0 BTC

22:59:47 mircea_popescu: "And yes European Antitrust Laws protect companies before things happen like that here, it is not only a scandal it shows me how unprofessional and jealous you people works, there is a lot of incompetence in the room now but not on my site."

22:59:52 mircea_popescu: not bad.

23:00:23 mircea_popescu: "I copy the whole IRC chat of you guys since 26.4.2013 i am sure there are so many interesting things inside."

23:00:53 mircea_popescu: imagine, reading the whole log.

23:01:10 Duffer1: the first time i've ever heard reading the log could be a bad thing

23:01:52 mircea_popescu: well... it's the nature of the clueless to misrepresent. so he things it'd be a bad thing.

23:02:05 mircea_popescu: irl, either he reads it and becomes a better person or fails to read ti and well...

23:02:09 mircea_popescu: no damage.

23:02:13 Duffer1: no change

23:02:34 mircea_popescu: And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake:

23:02:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/user/standard.php?id_rub=167&id_article=1078

23:02:39 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha jesus god.

23:04:11 Duffer1: it's almost hard to watch the ActM victims lash out at those who would rescue them from drowning

23:04:33 Duffer1: it's tough facing the knowledge you are the cliche

23:04:49 pankkake: and you can't get away from it, I stopped writing in their thread but they're still mad as hell

23:05:33 Duffer1: ken slaughter won't end it so they can start to grieve properly, he keeps stringing them along

23:06:21 mircea_popescu: this is pretty epic tho, the neobee bag holders and the actm bag holders gathering together in one nuclear blast of sheer rage

23:06:36 mircea_popescu: this officially beats the "bitbet followed its faq how dares it!!11" thing

23:06:48 pankkake: many people in common… which is kinda strange, they still had coins, and still investemed them?!

23:08:04 mircea_popescu: pankkake well considering how much effort they put into "outing" imaginary shills, socks etc,

23:08:21 mircea_popescu: and all the nonsense about autorite de la concurrence

23:08:34 mircea_popescu: i would imagine they're just butthurt at what they imagine is unfair competition. ie, they were shilling for a bunch of scams, the scams went nowhere.

23:08:37 pankkake: and they ignored the stuff I found about ken's past get rich quick businesses :(

23:08:50 mircea_popescu: you must have been doing the same thing, they figure, and also for some scams (they figure, cause nothing else exists in the world)

23:08:57 mircea_popescu: consequently, you... um... you took their jerbs

23:09:22 mircea_popescu: so no, they never invested anything. they had hopes of being paid by the scammors. which they're not getting.

23:09:46 Duffer1: i think stuart is a genuine bagholder, i think minerpart is one of the slaughter family, i think that coindesk guy is a scammer

23:10:09 mircea_popescu: you may be right.

23:10:39 CheckDavid: I don't understand scamming

23:10:46 CheckDavid: Such a waste of talent

23:10:50 CheckDavid: Or time

23:11:07 CheckDavid: In case of talentless scammers

23:11:08 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid people that have a problem with authority usually end up toiling on their own.

23:11:30 mircea_popescu: there's some discussion of the scammer as a tragic figure in the logs but i'm kinda too lazy to hunt for it.

23:11:53 CheckDavid: I see. As in a profile?

23:12:05 CheckDavid: You were profiling the a average scammer?

23:12:10 mircea_popescu: sort-of

23:12:21 mircea_popescu: pankkake what i don't understand of all this is... why do you pm with these dorks ?

23:12:32 pankkake: they PM me

23:12:49 mircea_popescu: even so.

23:13:14 pankkake: I finally stopped caring and they suck me back in :(

23:13:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` why is your forum avatar so angry ?

23:13:17 pankkake: fuck that shit!

23:13:29 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5992419#msg5992419

23:13:30 ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'

23:13:32 Duffer1: lmao

23:14:41 mircea_popescu: davout wait wait WAIT! they actually used a pic of gainsbourg as part of doxxing one of you two ?!

23:15:03 pankkake: no

23:15:31 mircea_popescu: aww pity.

23:15:35 mircea_popescu: something like this'd kick ass.

23:16:00 pankkake: they didn't even link the openbsd poster with you

23:16:11 mircea_popescu: especially if it were someone obscenely famous, dali, warhol...

23:16:51 mircea_popescu: we could have a super secret super club, like the mile high club, except more nerdy. "people who have been made famous by misdoxxing"

23:16:56 CryptX: !ticker h peta

23:18:40 mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 by the way, this reminds me, what happened wit the firefox bitbet plugin ?

23:19:47 mircea_popescu: 21:00:33 pankkake: just hope they don't crawl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

23:19:47 mircea_popescu: not only crawled man full downloaded by me and given to police next days!

23:19:56 benkay: openbsd poster?

23:20:01 mircea_popescu: o look. les flics gotta read 98794387593725 mp lines now.

23:21:01 benkay: pankkake: poster?

23:22:23 mwashaka: whats looking better, AM or PETA?

23:22:44 pankkake: in a posted pic… maybe it was removed (hopefully)

23:23:10 pankkake: mircea_popescu: and the quote is out of context :( it was about domain bots

23:23:26 mircea_popescu: pankkake i expected no less.

23:23:32 mircea_popescu: mwashaka remind me, what's peta do ?

23:23:57 mwashaka: mining op

23:24:02 mwashaka: run by CryptX

23:24:08 mwashaka: Peta-Mine

23:24:36 mircea_popescu: ;;rated cryptx

23:24:39 Duffer1: is there !bash for bitcointalk?

23:24:42 nubbins`: mircea_popescu http://fraudsters.com/2013/retained-cto-first-public-commission-other-statements/#comment-93626

23:24:56 mircea_popescu: now i broke gribble ;/

23:25:00 nubbins`: it's because nobody's ponying up their fuckin taxes

23:25:22 mircea_popescu: lawl

23:25:36 nubbins`: granted, the game ended up being called eulora, so i guess it's moot anyway

23:27:23 nubbins`: man, that stuart guy is really unpleasant

23:27:44 mircea_popescu: mwashaka so they say they bought some bitfury chips and sorta-kinda pay out about 50% of whatever "investors" invest

23:27:50 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280570.msg3060507#msg3060507 that post controls.

23:27:52 ozbot: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE

23:28:02 mircea_popescu: am is dubious at this point, but at least it has an actual history.

23:28:39 mwashaka: ahhh that was the old mine

23:28:43 mwashaka: it has been redone since

23:28:46 mwashaka: hashing at 150TH/s now

23:28:54 mwashaka: have orders for a further 600 TH/s

23:28:55 mwashaka: it looks good

23:28:56 mwashaka: b

23:29:03 mircea_popescu: kinda besides the point. a history of not respecting contracts isn't washed away by adding more numbers.

23:29:10 mwashaka: but im not really in with AsicMiner, but it seems good what they are doing

23:29:24 mwashaka: ahh

23:29:36 mwashaka: are you saying CryptX has a history of not delivering?

23:30:02 nubbins`: ah, i forgot about those guys

23:30:10 mircea_popescu: mwashaka it'

23:30:21 mircea_popescu: s just another one instance of the scammy forum asset.

23:30:52 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280570.msg3063649#msg3063649

23:30:54 ozbot: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE

23:30:55 mircea_popescu: for as long as btc inflows stay net positive it'll be ok im sure.

23:30:55 nubbins`: heh

23:31:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` shocking how that 50% thing works innit.

23:31:49 nubbins`: like sticking your peepee in a light socket

23:32:09 mwashaka: thanks both, this is a great insight

23:32:30 mwashaka: think i will lean towards AsicMiner until they are more transparent, as that is my current issue with them

23:32:40 nubbins`: !t h peta

23:32:41 mircea_popescu: now, as far as asicminer goes, it's been a great asset so far, however, it's not without its problems

23:32:46 mircea_popescu: so do your reading etc.

23:33:01 mwashaka: i will do, thank you both, its much appreciated

23:33:36 mwashaka: mircea, are you MPOE-PR on BTT?

23:34:01 mircea_popescu: no, mpoe-pr is my pr chick

23:34:05 mircea_popescu: it says so right in her sig you know ?

23:34:28 mwashaka: nope, just somthing hit me, thought for a split second you were the same person

23:34:33 mwashaka: shes a bitch, but she knows her shit :)

23:34:45 mircea_popescu: kinda the hiring criteria.

23:34:51 mwashaka: i like

23:35:04 mircea_popescu: anyway. never trust a self-moderated thread.

23:35:39 nubbins`: ^

23:35:44 nubbins`: never trust a computer

23:36:46 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdkl7mkleuE

23:36:47 ozbot: MONSTERBATOR ~ Never Trust a Computer - YouTube

23:44:14 turbo_ac100: mircea_popescu: forgot about the plugin.

23:44:22 turbo_ac100: It should look like this: http://pastebin.com/73urimLq

23:45:12 mircea_popescu: o its like a bookmarklet or w/e they're called ?

23:45:15 mircea_popescu: pretty cool

23:45:18 turbo_ac100: see here http://mycroftproject.com/submitos.html

23:45:22 pankkake: OpenSearch?

23:45:28 turbo_ac100: yes

23:45:47 mircea_popescu: you gonna dump your refling into the results ?

23:46:10 turbo_ac100: not yet. good idea though

23:53:54 turbo_ac100: kakobrekla: you are developing bibet? If you want to go wild add suggestions to the search.

23:54:18 turbo_ac100: reason: "This is currently only supported by a few of the largest websites. An example of a working value is: http://suggestqueries.google.com/complete/search?output=firefox&client=firefox&hl=en&q={searchTerms}"

23:55:58 mircea_popescu: o that's interesting

23:56:21 mircea_popescu: so it needs a suggestqueries subdomain and what, json output ? or ?

23:56:49 turbo_ac100: doesn't say.

23:58:20 turbo_ac100: response body is json http://www.opensearch.org/Specifications/OpenSearch/Extensions/Suggestions/1.0