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00:00:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.00073999 = 7.0551 BTC [+]

00:00:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1766 @ 0.00074202 = 1.3104 BTC [+]

00:00:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00074004 = 2.1831 BTC [-]

00:19:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00074202 = 3.7101 BTC [+]

00:20:01 dub: hrm AM offline on guild

00:20:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]

00:20:20 dub: ;;nethash

00:20:21 gribble: 78723.6093007

00:22:53 mircea_popescu: and yet...

00:28:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2998 BTC [+]

00:35:46 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2501 BTC [-]

00:35:54 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [-]

00:38:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4651 = 0.9302 BTC [+]

00:39:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4651 BTC [+]

00:39:11 kakobrekla: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/632-getting-ready-april.html#post9395

00:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4749 = 1.4247 BTC [+]

00:40:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.475 = 2.85 BTC [+]

00:40:10 dub: lol

00:40:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1924 BTC [-]

00:40:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 6 @ 0.1923 = 1.1538 BTC [-]

00:40:25 mircea_popescu: 2weeks

00:40:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.1922 = 0.5766 BTC [-]

00:40:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.2168 BTC [+]

00:41:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 17 @ 0.000651 = 0.0111 BTC [+]

00:41:53 mircea_popescu: http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/commissars-want-to-destroy-lrc.html this is distinctly insane.

00:42:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.000679 = 0.0679 BTC [+]

00:42:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00081 BTC [+]

00:42:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.0008 = 0.008 BTC [-]

00:43:43 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/329033253124190208

00:44:00 kakobrekla: :p

00:45:23 kakobrekla: Then stop demanding hard and fast timeframes for things that we can't give hard and fast timeframes for. Simple as that. I say multiple times "We aren't sure when <fill in the blank>" and a chorus of people respond back "BUT GIVE US AN ESTIMATE!!!!" Repeat that about

00:45:27 kakobrekla: 20x and that describes the past 6+ months. Like I said earlier in this thread (or maybe it was another one) - the timelines were doled out long before I came on board with BFL. I have worked with what I was handed for this product cycle. Future product cycles, assuming I have

00:45:32 kakobrekla: the final authoritative say in the matter, will not contain shipping dates or definitive timelines. The one and only answer to "When?" is "When it's done." If you get something other than that from me on future product cycles, you'll either get it by that date or I have been

00:45:35 kakobrekla: overridden in my stance of not providing dates. I fully realize this statement will probably sneak up and bite me in the ass at some unspecified future date due to reasons I can't possibly imagine at the moment.

00:45:39 kakobrekla: fuck me

00:45:44 mircea_popescu: lmao spam!

00:45:58 kakobrekla: myea

00:46:04 kakobrekla: twas a bit much

00:46:17 mircea_popescu: stop demanding things in exchange for your money

00:46:19 mircea_popescu: this is bitcoin!

00:46:59 mircea_popescu: http://freemarketincome.com/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/

00:47:06 mircea_popescu: repost my article, get the site name wryng

00:47:08 mircea_popescu: priceless.

00:48:07 peterl: polymedia? there should be a good joke in there somewhere ...

00:48:24 mircea_popescu: i guess there must be

00:49:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1991 = 0.3982 BTC [+]

00:50:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.47498 = 4.7498 BTC [-]

00:53:16 mircea_popescu: so a little ago i used a flavoured condom to buttseks. the girl is now claiming she can taste teh flavour.

00:53:28 mircea_popescu: isthispossible.jpg

00:55:19 kakobrekla: taste the flavour by licking what?

00:55:40 mircea_popescu: not by licking anything.

00:55:54 taub: ... gox should offer volume discounts based on $ value

00:55:55 taub: not btc

00:56:58 taub: i hate them so much :(

00:57:03 truffles: 'Alcohol enemas': A frightening new hazing trend?

00:58:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu did you also give her a vodka filled tampon?

00:58:46 thestringpuller: btw mircea_popescu your april 2013 MPOE report was empowering...

00:58:47 mircea_popescu: mno

00:58:54 mircea_popescu: o ?

00:58:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2501 BTC [+]

00:59:02 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [-]

00:59:17 thestringpuller: You really rallied the troops in that one.

01:00:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4651 = 0.9302 BTC [-]

01:00:51 thestringpuller: could you elaborate this statement a little more: Unfortunately the hordes of get-rich-quick noobs allied with the howling incompetence of so called .exchanges. have prevailed

01:01:17 mircea_popescu: that entire max keiser & co meets mtgox lag episode

01:01:33 thestringpuller: but are you saying it's a war against the speculators?

01:01:49 mircea_popescu: speculation is one thing.

01:02:21 mircea_popescu: this idiocy where "We all believe the US is the best in the world therefore it is because we agree" programme is not speculation, it's marauding stupidity.

01:03:30 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a right phenomena. it's natural enemy is the left. this means the horde of like minded lemmings.

01:03:36 mircea_popescu: this is the meaning of "decentralised".

01:06:49 taub:

01:06:50 taub: Loss : -2`320.17106571 BTC

01:06:52 taub: ouch :(

01:07:55 thestringpuller: enemy of the left?

01:08:02 thestringpuller: you mean socialism in general?

01:08:28 taub: enemy of the collectivists

01:08:55 mircea_popescu: anyone who expects solutions to problems come from the group is left.

01:09:01 mircea_popescu: anyone who expects solutions come from the individual is right

01:09:08 mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the whole story there.

01:09:18 thestringpuller: but even you depend on a group for mpex...non?

01:09:29 thestringpuller: or am I viewing this from a confused viewpoint?

01:09:32 ThickAsThieves: but but what about groups of individuals?

01:09:36 mircea_popescu: i think so. how do i depend ?

01:10:39 dub: why use condom?

01:10:41 kakobrekla: we all depend on blockchain ;)

01:11:03 dub: what point in cornholing if it aint bareback

01:11:07 thestringpuller: You depend on MPOE-PR for you PR. You have a board of directors you refer to for advice as quoted here: "Unfortunately the hordes of get-rich-quick noobs allied with the howling incompetence of so called .exchanges. have prevailed" it is implied this "we" is a collective.

01:11:13 thestringpuller: oops

01:11:15 mircea_popescu: dub pff. i always use condoms.

01:11:21 dub: prude

01:11:29 thestringpuller: quoted here: "We.ve been working hard taking apart and examining the price model"

01:11:32 thestringpuller: take 2

01:11:44 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller but what's one to do with the other ?

01:11:45 dub: so an occaisional UTI results. deal with it

01:11:56 mircea_popescu: dub hehe i am dealing with it.

01:11:59 dub: take your vitamins

01:12:03 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I misquoted I'm sorry. I meant the latter.

01:12:16 thestringpuller: "We've been working hard..." is the key phrase

01:12:27 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no i get that part. but what's me having a board / employees to do with the group mindset ?

01:12:55 thestringpuller: Don't you all have to agree? Don't you bounce ideas off each other? Or is that still technically individualism?

01:13:12 taub: those groups are formed voluntarily

01:13:16 thestringpuller: When I think of pure individual contribution I think of people like Tesla.

01:13:20 taub: it's not a "everyone has to do their share or else" kinda deal

01:13:27 mircea_popescu: but what's "pure individual contribution" to do with anything ?

01:13:45 ThickAsThieves: i think mp's point may be when individuals release power of problem solving to a group

01:13:46 mircea_popescu: listen, there's kids sitting togetgher in a class. this is ideologically neutral.

01:13:56 mircea_popescu: there's kids working on the same homework. this is also ideologically neutral.

01:14:06 ThickAsThieves: or maybe rely on group thought?

01:14:20 mircea_popescu: if those kids were to go to the teacher and say "We're not doing our homework and you can't punish us cause you'd hacve to punish the whole class", that's socialist bs.

01:14:30 mircea_popescu: yet this is the "solution" of idiots since forever.

01:14:34 deadweasel: http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/Bitcoin.php

01:14:54 mircea_popescu: in the case at hand, "we will all buy btc and the price can only go up because of it and so we will all become millionaires"

01:15:02 ThickAsThieves: but that rgument seems to be used quite often by the right

01:15:07 mircea_popescu: they were going to pull themselves up by their own pants.

01:15:12 taub: using it already deadweasel :)

01:15:19 mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as it is used it's fakeright

01:15:22 taub: hope their live trading gets rolled out soon

01:15:29 deadweasel: how do you like it?

01:15:35 kakobrekla: its gonna suck

01:15:39 taub: its good, very stable stream

01:15:42 kakobrekla: its gonna be as bad as mtgox

01:15:52 taub: well yes, it's just a link to mtgox

01:15:57 kakobrekla: exactly

01:16:00 kakobrekla: thats why its gonna suck

01:16:01 mircea_popescu: heh

01:16:09 kakobrekla: gigo

01:16:15 taub: but its easier to trade directly off the charts than to log into the site and enter the order every time

01:16:25 deadweasel: use goxtool

01:16:33 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu isn't that a different issue altogether, as you state in your fact, "You can't pull yourself up by your own bootstraps"

01:16:37 thestringpuller: faq*

01:16:38 thestringpuller: WOW

01:16:39 taub: somehow buying doesnt work on there for me

01:16:44 thestringpuller: can't type today

01:17:10 mircea_popescu: where's the difference

01:17:14 dub: sierra should lease an API/socket feed

01:17:16 deadweasel: did you put in the api key? gox --add-secret=

01:17:22 deadweasel: goxtoo*

01:17:22 deadweasel: l

01:17:31 taub: yea, i can sell, but the buy function doesn't work dunno

01:17:36 deadweasel: balls

01:18:05 deadweasel: oh well. i don't trade enought to purchase charting sfotware. but i want it.

01:18:09 dub: have you got permissions set in gox?

01:18:33 dub: deadweasel: can you run the native feed without paying?

01:18:35 taub: yes, the window for order entry doesn't appear

01:18:45 deadweasel: using windows?

01:18:54 taub: putty

01:19:02 thestringpuller: i'm using putty too

01:19:04 deadweasel: ya, change to xterm r6

01:19:08 dub: dont use putty

01:19:13 deadweasel: i forget the settings tab

01:19:15 dub: use kitty

01:19:25 deadweasel: ^ even bettah

01:19:45 deadweasel: but if you're already running putty, i know how to fix the keyboard fkeys issue.

01:19:58 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there is no difference is there? The group came up, with Max Keiser as their defacto leader, "We can pull ourselves up by our belts", whereas that is a physical impossibility, yet people believed it anyways because other people "said it was so". No?

01:20:04 dub: kitty is putty

01:20:11 dub: putty is no longer maintained

01:20:31 taub: i'm already using some putty variant with clickable urls

01:20:39 deadweasel: then feed that kitty and putt it across the room!

01:21:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00072615 = 3.776 BTC [-]

01:21:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.000725 = 1.6675 BTC [-]

01:24:18 taub: doesn't work in kitty :[

01:24:35 thestringpuller: Good news mircea_popescu: "Facebook Is Losing Millions Of Users In The US And Other Mature Markets"

01:26:25 nospinzy: I WONDER WHY

01:26:42 nospinzy: cause all the narsasists have taken over

01:26:48 taub: okay i got it working deadweasel, had to change the keyboard settings, ty

01:26:49 nospinzy: and making people rage quit

01:27:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [+]

01:27:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.41 = 2.82 BTC [+]

01:27:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.4588 = 2.9176 BTC [+]

01:27:47 ThickAsThieves: how doe facebook lose users anyway? people actually take the time to close accounts?

01:28:18 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg1978520#msg1978520

01:28:19 mircea_popescu: good q.

01:28:20 nospinzy: analytics

01:28:30 nospinzy: you can see how many people come to your website...

01:28:37 nospinzy: its pretty basic

01:29:02 thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles

01:29:03 gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm

01:29:08 thestringpuller: lol

01:30:13 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: people go inactive, someone not logging in for X time is considered the same as losing a user to the social media world.

01:30:18 thestringpuller: as it depends on an active user base

01:30:31 ThickAsThieves: then they should just comment on user activity

01:30:35 ThickAsThieves: not user loss

01:30:52 ThickAsThieves: but i get it i guess

01:32:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]

01:33:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea: the gold in the casascius coin is a TEOTWAWKI "backup."

01:34:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2799 BTC [+]

01:35:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.28 BTC [+]

01:38:16 mircea_popescu: well it'd have to be the end of PART of the world then

01:38:37 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2799 = 2.5598 BTC [-]

01:38:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: new idea. 7.62x39mm round with built-in BTC chip.

01:39:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for those who await the lead, rather than the gold, standard.

01:40:35 mircea_popescu: lol

01:40:49 mircea_popescu: dude copumpkin is a twitter badass. check out what he dug up

01:40:54 mircea_popescu: http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/sexism-definition/

01:41:03 mircea_popescu: Sexism is both discrimination based on gender and the attitudes, stereotypes, and the cultural elements that promote this discrimination. Given the historical and continued imbalance of power, where men as a class are privileged over women as a class (see male privilege), an important, but often overlooked, part of the term is that sexism is prejudice plus power. Thus feminists reject the notion that women can be sexis

01:41:03 mircea_popescu: t towards men because women lack the institutional power that men have.

01:41:14 mircea_popescu: also they reject e=mc2 as a sexed equation,

01:41:27 mircea_popescu: because it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us.

01:42:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ho hum. there's a whole dark underworld of this crud, esp. in the U.S.; and the perpetrators are often salaried academics and their flunkies.

01:42:55 mircea_popescu: salaried pseudoacademics

01:43:20 mircea_popescu: doing whatever "social sciences" a la women's research or w/e

01:43:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actual academics mostly went extinct after ww2. (you'll meet the occasional one, preserved, like the occasional panda still alive in some zoo)

01:44:04 mircea_popescu: i am currently pining all hopes of universalist humanity on the taleb fellow

01:44:12 mircea_popescu: he's been doing off the deep end superbly on twitter.

01:44:41 dub: kweli

01:44:45 dub: ?

01:44:53 mircea_popescu: o look, she retweeted me too. dense is she.

01:44:59 mircea_popescu: dub nassim taleb

01:45:32 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/328902329015353345 sample

01:46:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the death of academia: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html (moldbug)

01:46:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.236 = 4.944 BTC [-]

01:46:46 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2351 BTC [-]

01:46:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.23505 = 2.4701 BTC [-]

01:46:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.23505 = 2.4701 BTC [-]

01:46:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [-]

01:47:01 mircea_popescu: aww grad school. poor modlbug

01:47:02 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21 BTC [-]

01:47:11 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.205 BTC [-]

01:47:16 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.202 = 6.01 BTC [-]

01:47:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]

01:47:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]

01:47:28 orkaa: hah, nassim

01:47:29 dub: https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/c0.17.180.180/s160x160/24919_388859208374_202563_a.jpg heh

01:47:32 orkaa: i'm reading one of his books

01:47:48 orkaa: yeah, this one

01:47:51 orkaa: black swan

01:48:15 mircea_popescu: he's a clever fellow.

01:49:52 orkaa: yep, i like how he's questioning everything

01:50:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.459 BTC [+]

01:50:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.45989998 = 2.9198 BTC [+]

01:50:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.46496 = 5.8598 BTC [+]

01:50:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1.46498 = 4.3949 BTC [+]

01:52:56 kakobrekla: is he really questioning everything?

01:52:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19021 BTC [-]

01:52:59 mjr___: i loved antifragile

01:53:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19011 BTC [-]

01:53:09 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.17005 = 5.8503 BTC [-]

01:53:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.17 = 5.85 BTC [-]

01:53:13 mjr___: it just felt so refreshing

01:53:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.16914 = 9.3531 BTC [-]

01:53:29 kakobrekla: o hey mjr

01:53:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.167 BTC [-]

01:53:38 mjr___: hey guys

01:53:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.165 = 5.825 BTC [-]

01:53:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.164 BTC [-]

01:53:56 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.152 = 21.888 BTC [-]

01:54:00 kakobrekla: where have you been, you missed like 5 dudes rolling by on their skateboards announcing new exchanges

01:54:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.152 BTC [-]

01:55:03 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1512 BTC [-]

01:55:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1512 BTC [-]

01:55:20 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.1511 = 8.0577 BTC [-]

01:55:22 mjr___: kakobrekla: "The skateboard ride to Saks today was a little rough, but the skateboard back was great!" I am not joking that is the latest status update from coinsetter CEO...he's a nice guy

01:55:24 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.151 = 2.302 BTC [-]

01:55:26 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.150101 = 11.501 BTC [-]

01:55:35 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.1501 = 11.501 BTC [-]

01:55:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15 BTC [-]

01:55:46 mjr___: but i can't help but laugh after our convo in romania lol

01:55:49 mircea_popescu: he sounds like permafriendzoned

01:55:58 kakobrekla: WTF really?!

01:56:05 kakobrekla: poor guy

01:56:07 mjr___: i am not joking

01:56:15 mjr___: he's cool, he's in nyc

01:56:19 kakobrekla: you met him?

01:56:21 mjr___: yeah

01:56:24 kakobrekla: when

01:56:34 mjr___: we were talking about working together, but couldn't get the equity to work...

01:56:43 mjr___: he already had prior investors etcf

01:56:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.13205 = 5.6603 BTC [-]

01:56:51 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.132 BTC [-]

01:56:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.13 = 3.39 BTC [-]

01:56:59 kakobrekla: hm

01:57:08 mjr___: they are opening sometime this summer i think?

01:57:40 mjr___: but mostly focusing on the shorting/margin side, from what i know...jaron from coinsetter

01:57:52 grubles: im selling my mpex account

01:57:56 grubles: if anyone is wanting one

01:58:00 grubles: there are no assets in it

01:58:33 grubles: it is mostly to get out of paying the ridiculous 30 btc fee

01:58:37 mjr___: https://kirillwashere.com/galleries/set-miami-april-25/photos/13384 <--- why i love and hate america

01:58:45 kakobrekla: mjr___ are they using gox or what

01:58:50 mjr___: grubles, how much?

01:59:16 mjr___: also...how would you guarantee you won't retain the key?

02:00:20 mjr___: kakobrekla: not sure, but we just got market data working and order flow

02:01:23 truffles: whats on the radio now mjr?

02:02:24 mjr___: Gods and Monsters by Lana Del Rey

02:03:44 truffles: :)

02:05:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.000725 = 20.3363 BTC [-]

02:13:16 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.13112 BTC [+]

02:13:21 truffles: Lana Del Rey - Summertime Sadness very nice

02:13:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.13102 BTC [-]

02:14:56 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.13 = 2.26 BTC [-]

02:15:03 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.13 = 3.39 BTC [-]

02:20:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2397 BTC [+]

02:20:20 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2398 BTC [+]

02:20:24 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.24 = 14.88 BTC [+]

02:26:22 grubles: mircea_popescu,

02:26:27 grubles: you around broseph

02:30:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2489 BTC [+]

02:31:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.249 BTC [+]

02:31:09 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.25 = 3.75 BTC [+]

02:35:21 dub: hrm, got an ex specops buddy traveling to italy next week, should get him to pay alberto a visit

02:36:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [+]

02:48:35 mircea_popescu: yeh

02:48:41 mircea_popescu: grubles sup

02:50:29 mjr___: mircea_popescu: hey what up

02:50:42 mircea_popescu: nothing much

03:26:28 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you are one of my favorite people

03:26:37 thestringpuller: if I bring you women can I hang out with you in Romania?

03:26:39 thestringpuller: :D

03:26:47 thestringpuller: I need a vacation...

03:36:03 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2597 BTC [+]

03:36:42 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2599 BTC [+]

03:37:20 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.26 = 3.78 BTC [+]

03:38:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26 BTC [+]

03:43:36 mircea_popescu: lol

03:44:25 grubles: y u laffin

03:44:54 grubles: asicminer price?

03:45:24 mircea_popescu: the guy and his women

03:45:44 grubles: he is offering you women

03:45:51 grubles: why must you laugh

03:46:51 mircea_popescu: im just that sorta guy.

03:47:19 grubles: what, homo?

03:51:19 mircea_popescu: no homo

03:51:56 thestringpuller: so deal, 3 women for 1 night stay?

03:51:58 thestringpuller: lololol

03:52:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]

03:52:09 thestringpuller: (it feels like medieval times)

03:53:09 grubles: you can stay at my place if you have 3 women

03:55:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.679 = 1.358 BTC [+]

03:57:50 mircea_popescu: where you gonna find 3 womenz.

03:59:26 grubles: strip bar

03:59:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkYdUgl3-M&feature=player_embedded

04:00:17 grubles: mircea is yes homo

04:00:30 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I will go to a mall, and promise 18 year olds louis vatton bags in exchange for me introducing them to mircea_popescu

04:01:03 thestringpuller: doesn't take a solution like MPEX to get da ladiez

04:01:38 grubles: they have malls in romania?

04:01:51 grubles: i figured romania was like a walmart parking lot

04:02:13 mircea_popescu: Vat on!

04:02:14 grubles: with the rich elite having RVs parked there for weeks

04:02:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.428 = 0.856 BTC [+]

04:08:33 mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-US#q=%22bitcoin%22

04:11:43 joecool: not too big in nigeria

04:17:25 thestrin1puller: waa

04:19:48 thestringpuller: ;;seen mircea_popescu

04:19:48 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 minutes and 14 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-US#q=%22bitcoin%22

04:22:33 thestringpuller: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly2167CprO1rnabkso1_1280.jpg

04:30:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-US#q=%22bitcoin%22%2C%20obama&cmpt=q

04:30:35 mircea_popescu: soon we'll cross obama.

04:36:33 KRS-1: he can go to hell

04:37:37 KRS-1: and he is a degenerate

04:37:53 KRS-1: thats all.

04:37:58 KRS-1: for now.

04:48:29 mjr___: ;;tell

04:48:30 gribble: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.

04:48:42 mjr___: ;;tell mircea_popescu Palihapitiya talked disdainfully about an instant messaging app that allows you to send photos of everything from an apple orchard to your genitalia, and that the message disappears after a short period of time

04:48:42 gribble: Error: I haven't seen mircea_popescu, I'll let you do the telling.

04:49:08 mjr___: ;;say

04:49:08 gribble: (say <channel|nick> <text>) -- Sends <text> to <channel|nick>. Can only send to <nick> if supybot.plugins.Anonymous.allowPrivateTarget is True.

04:49:21 mjr___: ;;say mircea_popescu Palihapitiya talked disdainfully about an instant messaging app that allows you to send photos of everything from an apple orchard to your genitalia, and that the message disappears after a short period of time

04:49:21 gribble: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).

04:56:49 mjr___: Palihapitiya talked disdainfully about an instant messaging app that allows you to send photos of everything from an apple orchard to your genitalia, and that the message disappears after a short period of time

04:58:00 joecool: ;;later tell mjr___ you're doing it wrong

04:58:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:58:25 mjr___: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Palihapitiya talked disdainfully about an instant messaging app that allows you to send photos of everything from an apple orchard to your genitalia, and that the message disappears after a short period of time

04:58:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:58:30 mjr___: yay, thanks joecool

04:59:09 joecool: also protip, more annoying /memoserv send mircea_popescu whatever you wanna say

04:59:16 joecool: that's a network service :P

04:59:29 mjr___: why is it more annoying?

04:59:41 joecool: because it works whether or not gribble sees you

04:59:45 mjr___: hahaha

04:59:47 mjr___: oh

05:02:48 mjr___: i like that silicon valley is getting sick of these stupid kids

05:03:06 mjr___: and saying "an app that sends pics that disappear after 5 seconds is stupid"

05:47:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8391 @ 0.00076489 = 6.4182 BTC [+]

05:47:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5909 @ 0.00074626 = 4.4097 BTC [-]

06:04:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 997 @ 0.00343999 = 3.4297 BTC [+]

06:04:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1003 @ 0.00343999 = 3.4503 BTC [+]

06:14:35 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.245 BTC [-]

06:19:09 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 13 @ 0.0036 = 0.0468 BTC [+]

06:24:41 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2595 = 2.519 BTC [+]

06:41:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.36874 BTC [-]

07:31:25 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.259 BTC [-]

08:26:21 bitexchanger: Who is selling what?

08:30:18 Technologov: hi dudes ! Any assets here?

08:30:24 Technologov: Any stock shares ?

08:32:07 dub: I herd yo momma slangin rock

08:33:16 bitexchanger: 139 people in a channel called assets and nobody is selling any assets?

09:01:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.1999 = 0.5997 BTC [+]

09:02:07 thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1dcn95/bitcoin_online_bank_idea/ << someone wants to play banker again?

09:02:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:04:43 Technologov: bank = exchange ? (we have Mt.Gox)

09:04:55 Technologov: bank = lender? This will fail, due to deflationary currency.

09:05:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3962 @ 0.00076528 = 3.032 BTC [+]

09:12:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2595 = 2.519 BTC [+]

09:26:17 thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX

09:26:17 assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 59.0473661 / 191.28391806 / 197.76214913 (639 shares, 153.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)

09:31:10 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2411 BTC [-]

09:31:20 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.231 BTC [-]

09:31:32 Diablo-D3: http://nsnbc.me/2013/04/18/federal-reserve-refuses-to-submit-to-an-audit-of-germanys-gold-held-in-u-s-vaults-2/

09:31:34 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23 BTC [-]

09:31:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21001 BTC [-]

09:31:47 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21 BTC [-]

09:31:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]

09:34:16 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2301 BTC [+]

10:12:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5066 @ 0.00076528 = 3.8769 BTC [+]

10:29:26 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.428 = 0.856 BTC [+]

10:31:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.422 BTC [-]

10:31:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.42101 = 1.263 BTC [-]

10:33:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.259 BTC [+]

10:33:54 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.259 BTC [+]

10:33:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2595 = 2.519 BTC [+]

10:34:03 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26 BTC [+]

10:34:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26 BTC [+]

10:43:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00076208 = 6.2491 BTC [-]

10:43:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4363 @ 0.00075723 = 3.3038 BTC [-]

10:43:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36541 @ 0.00074626 = 27.2691 BTC [-]

10:43:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00074215 = 8.2379 BTC [-]

10:43:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00073665 = 7.9927 BTC [-]

10:43:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.00073199 = 2.57 BTC [-]

10:43:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25435 @ 0.000725 = 18.4404 BTC [-]

10:59:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]

11:12:24 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22565 BTC [-]

11:12:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22555 BTC [-]

11:13:03 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.225 BTC [-]

11:19:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25979 BTC [+]

11:20:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25989 BTC [+]

11:20:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.26 = 7.56 BTC [+]

11:20:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2679 = 3.8037 BTC [+]

11:20:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.268 = 2.536 BTC [+]

11:20:42 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.285 = 3.855 BTC [+]

11:20:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.287 = 2.574 BTC [+]

11:21:02 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2875 BTC [+]

11:21:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.29 = 2.58 BTC [+]

11:21:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2945 = 2.589 BTC [+]

11:21:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.295 BTC [+]

11:21:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.298 BTC [+]

11:21:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.29998 = 23.3996 BTC [+]

11:21:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.29998 = 10.3998 BTC [+]

11:48:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2334 @ 0.00073472 = 1.7148 BTC [+]

11:54:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2689 BTC [-]

11:54:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.269 BTC [+]

11:57:37 kakobrekla: hi

11:59:40 deadweasel: hi

11:59:46 deadweasel: o/

12:00:37 kakobrekla: so

12:00:40 kakobrekla: fun fact of the day

12:00:51 kakobrekla: i have a position opened at btc.sx

12:00:53 kakobrekla: with negative balance

12:00:57 kakobrekla: yaaay!

12:03:27 deadweasel: interesting, how did you manage that?

12:05:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8998 BTC [-]

12:08:05 kakobrekla: not sure

12:10:13 truffles: how've you been deadweasel

12:10:46 deadweasel: good truf, how about yourself?

12:11:14 deadweasel: that's a good article the FED gold scandal. I'm pretty sure they found some tungsten bars plated with gold recently.

12:11:49 deadweasel: kakobrekla, if you like negative balances, try coinbase! :D

12:11:59 kakobrekla: i like anti-bitcoins

12:12:11 truffles: ive been well thanks

12:12:18 truffles: i have yet to master the driving manual

12:23:20 thestringpuller: kakobrekla and mircea_popescu are the same person

12:23:27 thestringpuller: dun dun duuuuun

12:32:34 truffles: <thestringpuller> kakobrekla and mircea_popescu are the same person>>> not possible

12:34:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.8998 = 3.7996 BTC [-]

12:35:50 KRS-1: No, mircea_popescu clearly has more class.

12:37:38 truffles: and more unstable

12:37:50 KRS-1: Plus he's secksy

12:38:09 truffles: too skinny

12:38:22 KRS-1: If I walked around town like he does with my shirt opened I'd probably get arrested.

12:38:32 KRS-1: He can actually pull that off.

12:39:32 ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats

12:39:35 gribble: Current Blocks: 233903 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10439563.7159 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.6052

12:39:53 ThickAsThieves: yay a milestone

12:41:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4698 = 0.9396 BTC [+]

12:41:39 error4733: ;;next

12:41:40 gribble: targets: 150, 160-164 | resistance: 136, 140 | support: 120, 118-114, 106-103 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 28 2013, 00:29 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 days, 12 hours, 12 minutes, and 39 seconds ago

12:41:49 error4733: ;;ticker

12:41:49 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 145.86000, Best ask: 145.88868, Bid-ask spread: 0.02868, Last trade: 145.88868, 24 hour volume: 52774.55145091, 24 hour low: 140.50000, 24 hour high: 149.08000, 24 hour vwap: 144.43289

12:41:56 error4733: !bids 101

12:42:00 error4733: ;;bids 101

12:42:02 gribble: There are currently 56503.831 bitcoins demanded at or over 101.0 USD, worth 6923090.22867 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0083 seconds

12:42:05 error4733: ;;asks 199

12:42:05 gribble: There are currently 69644.598 bitcoins offered at or under 199.0 USD, worth 11661420.0121 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.9826 seconds

12:43:20 KRS-1: when it says "support:" is that the lower-bound- that the price wont fall below

12:43:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5649 @ 0.00073215 = 4.1359 BTC [-]

12:43:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.0007432 = 0.6689 BTC [+]

12:43:36 KRS-1: and the opposite for "resistance"

12:47:14 thestringpuller: ;;next

12:47:14 gribble: targets: 150, 160-164 | resistance: 136, 140 | support: 120, 118-114, 106-103 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 28 2013, 00:29 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 days, 12 hours, 18 minutes, and 14 seconds ago

12:48:49 thestringpuller: KRS-1: yea, the bid depth

12:49:18 thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000

12:49:18 gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 1397470.9135 USD and would take the last price down to 135.6076 USD, resulting in an average price of 139.7471 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 53.4642 seconds

12:49:29 thestringpuller: ;;market sell 100000

12:49:29 gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 10589892.1644 USD and would take the last price down to 70.6183 USD, resulting in an average price of 105.8989 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 64.6405 seconds

12:49:38 thestringpuller: ;;market sell 50000

12:49:38 gribble: A market order to sell 50000 bitcoins right now would net 6255951.3078 USD and would take the last price down to 106.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 125.1190 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 73.4654 seconds

12:49:46 thestringpuller: ;;market sell 30000

12:49:46 gribble: A market order to sell 30000 bitcoins right now would net 3948122.9843 USD and would take the last price down to 121.2623 USD, resulting in an average price of 131.6041 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 81.1408 seconds

12:49:58 thestringpuller: sorry for spam :(

12:51:07 KRS-1: thank you-

12:53:09 kakobrekla: !l m s.dice

12:53:09 assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.00343999 BTC [+]

12:53:15 kakobrekla: pft

12:58:44 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

12:58:44 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 145.11000, Best ask: 145.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08999, Last trade: 145.11000, 24 hour volume: 47837.38617961, 24 hour low: 140.50000, 24 hour high: 149.08000, 24 hour vwap: 144.23882

12:59:39 error4733: mp gribble if you want ;)

13:08:35 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]

13:09:16 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.29999 = 7.7999 BTC [+]

13:11:17 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/3Y/oR/t9R1up2/position.png

13:16:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29999 BTC [+]

13:17:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8998 BTC [-]

13:21:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.321 = 0.642 BTC [+]

13:23:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.321 BTC [+]

13:23:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.321 BTC [+]

13:27:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.321 = 0.642 BTC [+]

13:31:07 Chaang-Noi: zup ya pervz ya

13:32:36 truffles: hi

13:38:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4951 @ 0.00074901 = 3.7083 BTC [+]

13:45:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [+]

13:47:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.8998 = 18.998 BTC [-]

13:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25537321 = 1255.3732 BTC

13:53:39 ThickAsThieves: uh oh

13:55:09 ThickAsThieves: hrm

13:55:15 ThickAsThieves: those are already break even

13:56:08 ThickAsThieves: someone made and sold to bot

13:56:11 ThickAsThieves: interesting

13:57:02 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25521432 = 1255.2143 BTC [-]

13:59:56 ThickAsThieves: $avg

13:59:57 mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 142.17

14:01:04 ThickAsThieves: How does the bot handle options it buys? Does it ever excercise, or try to resell? If it excercises, does it wait for a certain % of profit?

14:01:17 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29998 BTC [-]

14:02:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01005 BTC [+]

14:03:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 15 @ 0.0101 = 0.1515 BTC [+]

14:06:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0142 BTC [+]

14:06:26 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25457896 = 1254.579 BTC [-]

14:07:52 mircea_popescu: "I dont know if something like this has been talked about but im sure it has crossed peoples minds.

14:07:53 mircea_popescu: Why doesnt someone open an online bitcoin bank? It could have a nice online interface"

14:08:02 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller totally. a nice interface.

14:08:19 mircea_popescu: it would be a website that's a bank and has a nice interface. whatcouldpossibly.pdf

14:08:52 ThickAsThieves: we could call it blockchain.info

14:09:34 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.15528424 = 155.2842 BTC [-]

14:09:40 mircea_popescu: o hey.

14:09:50 mircea_popescu: $avg ^oix

14:10:24 mircea_popescu: hm what was it

14:10:29 jborkl: or we could call it mpex

14:10:31 mircea_popescu: $price ^oix

14:10:36 mircea_popescu: da fuck

14:10:41 ThickAsThieves: !ticker m ^OIX

14:10:42 assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 59.0473661 / 191.28391806 / 197.76214913 (639 shares, 153.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)

14:10:52 ThickAsThieves: $avg

14:10:53 mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 142.03

14:11:02 mircea_popescu: jborkl no because interface.

14:11:14 jborkl: oh, I like the interface

14:11:21 jborkl: very simple

14:11:23 mircea_popescu: $vwap ^oix

14:11:24 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 191.28391806 high: 197.76214913 low: 59.0473661 volume: 639 btc: 153.26152721 30 day: no data

14:11:38 mircea_popescu: jborkl it's not nice! stop trolling da reddit folk! you're a jerk!

14:11:55 ThickAsThieves: How does the bot handle options it buys? Does it ever excercise, or try to resell? If it excercises, does it wait for a certain % of profit?

14:11:56 jborkl: I missed something here, lol

14:12:10 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25680427 = 1256.8043 BTC [+]

14:12:12 mircea_popescu: my sarcasm :D

14:12:24 mircea_popescu: whoa nelly.

14:12:30 ThickAsThieves: thats the 4th sell

14:12:35 mircea_popescu: what srsly ?

14:12:48 mircea_popescu: hey, somebody

14:12:52 mircea_popescu: 's taking some serious positions.

14:13:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the bot always tries to resell. that's why it always quotes both ends.

14:13:11 mircea_popescu: it sometimes exercises.

14:13:42 ThickAsThieves: so couldnt the bot just excercise these new puts and close this guys position

14:13:50 mircea_popescu: it could, yes.

14:13:54 ThickAsThieves: odd

14:14:05 mircea_popescu: why ?

14:14:29 mircea_popescu: ;;netstat

14:14:29 gribble: Error: "netstat" is not a valid command.

14:14:31 ThickAsThieves: odd that he would sell those puts

14:14:37 ThickAsThieves: not odd that the bit would ex

14:14:38 jborkl: mostly put - this month put 320,s

14:14:40 ThickAsThieves: bot*

14:14:47 ThickAsThieves: [09:52] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25537321 = 1255.3732 BTC

14:14:47 ThickAsThieves: [09:56] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25521432 = 1255.2143 BTC [-]

14:14:47 ThickAsThieves: [10:05] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25457896 = 1254.579 BTC [-]

14:14:47 ThickAsThieves: [10:11] <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 1.25680427 = 1256.8043 BTC [+]

14:14:49 mircea_popescu: those are the max

14:15:12 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.1543468 = 154.3468 BTC [-]

14:15:28 mircea_popescu: hm

14:15:32 ThickAsThieves: those are already in the money right?

14:15:40 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 320 / 2.255

14:15:40 gribble: 141.906873614

14:15:44 ThickAsThieves: so why sell those puts to the bot

14:15:47 mircea_popescu: whoa look at this!

14:16:01 mircea_popescu: so sold puts short, their break even is ~142, so also sold calls short at 143

14:16:13 mircea_popescu: basically this is an insured long play.

14:16:24 mircea_popescu: $vwap O.USD.P320T

14:16:25 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.P320T 1 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076 7 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076 30 day: average: 1.25549269 high: 1.25680427 low: 1.25457896 volume: 4000 btc: 5021.97076

14:16:38 mircea_popescu: $vwap O.USD.C143T

14:16:39 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.C143T 1 day: average: 0.15481552 high: 0.15528424 low: 0.1543468 volume: 2000 btc: 309.63104 7 day: average: 0.15481552 high: 0.15528424 low: 0.1543468 volume: 2000 btc: 309.63104 30 day: average: 0.18907858 high: 0.275176 low: 0.1543468 volume: 5375 btc: 1016.2973877

14:16:54 mircea_popescu: heh. i bet you there's two more sets of 143 on the pipe.

14:16:57 jborkl: this months 143c price is only .15?

14:17:04 ThickAsThieves: no

14:17:08 ThickAsThieves: thats someone selling to bot

14:17:13 mircea_popescu: jborkl bid side.

14:17:13 jborkl: oh yeah, nm

14:17:39 mircea_popescu: so basically if price stays over 143 makes money on the puts, if goes a little under makes money on the calls to somewhat compensate.

14:18:11 ThickAsThieves: except that bot could close him before he does

14:18:17 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.15465646 = 154.6565 BTC [+]

14:18:28 mircea_popescu: yeah.

14:18:56 mircea_popescu: whiplash can be a serious problem for this position, so i guess it implicitly is a bet against whiplash

14:19:21 mircea_popescu: course... the bot could be closing him the other way too, ie, to protect itself. and since whiplash can go both ways

14:19:31 mircea_popescu: i suppose technically it's a bet that the bot closes correctly.

14:19:52 mircea_popescu: for an unspecified value of "correctly"

14:20:23 ThickAsThieves: i shoulda out bid the bot for the calls if i wanted some

14:20:26 ThickAsThieves: :/

14:20:46 mircea_popescu: the golden rule of mpex is "it always pays to have positions in the book"

14:20:51 mircea_popescu: as the veterans can tell you.

14:21:13 jcpham: derp

14:21:25 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 100 @ 0.15465646 = 15.4656 BTC [+]

14:21:33 ThickAsThieves: there

14:21:34 ThickAsThieves: :)

14:23:02 jcpham: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/02/path.shtm

14:24:43 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/439/bitcoin-bigger-/

14:24:46 mircea_popescu: haha check out this one

14:27:03 jborkl: it it clear what the puts were opened for now

14:27:35 ThickAsThieves: thats a big dump

14:28:09 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 48 @ 0.152 = 7.296 BTC [-]

14:28:10 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 852 @ 0.14277256 = 121.6422 BTC [-]

14:28:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 35000 @ 0.00100005 = 35.0018 BTC [-]

14:28:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 10 @ 0.001 = 0.01 BTC [-]

14:28:34 ThickAsThieves: well then

14:28:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00099999 = 2 BTC [-]

14:28:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00199994 = 0.2 BTC [+]

14:30:06 ThickAsThieves: SR is shut down

14:30:12 ThickAsThieves: somewhat temporarily

14:30:43 mircea_popescu: o ?

14:30:43 error4733: ;;goxlag

14:30:50 gribble: MtGox lag is 56.21932 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.112662887817 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).

14:31:09 ThickAsThieves: apparently site is under attack

14:31:21 ThickAsThieves: and tor cant protect it without a change

14:31:48 error4733: every1 on BlackMarketreload :)

14:32:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.33479993 = 0.6696 BTC [+]

14:32:14 ThickAsThieves: selling all those puts doesnt fit with this big dump though, right?

14:33:30 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

14:33:31 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 139.12000, Best ask: 140.75000, Bid-ask spread: 1.63000, Last trade: 140.75000, 24 hour volume: 44073.82016531, 24 hour low: 137.45000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 143.02747

14:33:37 mircea_popescu: heh. not rly.

14:35:27 jborkl: I think I have it figured out, and it is pretty damn smart. If not, I am going to do it

14:35:52 mircea_popescu: jborkl do what ?

14:36:19 jborkl: What I think they are doing ..

14:37:12 ThickAsThieves: [10:34] <jborkl> I think I have it figured out, and it is pretty damn smart. If not, I am going to do it <--- so if it's dumb you're gonna join in?

14:37:30 ThickAsThieves: lemme see

14:37:33 ThickAsThieves: the sell the puts

14:37:37 ThickAsThieves: buy calls

14:37:41 ThickAsThieves: dump the btc

14:37:46 mircea_popescu: nah cause sold both

14:37:50 ThickAsThieves: ah

14:38:54 ThickAsThieves: is the goal to stabilize the price?

14:39:57 ThickAsThieves: if selling both, he wants neother to be profitable for the buyer

14:40:11 ThickAsThieves: neither*

14:40:22 ThickAsThieves: is that a safe assumption?

14:40:27 mircea_popescu: ;;bcstats

14:40:30 gribble: Current Blocks: 233918 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10612270.0477 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.31919

14:40:49 mircea_popescu: nanotube ^ E7 :D

14:41:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i would imagine his thinking is that price is going up, so sold the puts, and in the case it goes a little under has the calls to pay him

14:42:03 ThickAsThieves: so the dump is coincidence?

14:42:42 mircea_popescu: well probably.

14:42:47 mircea_popescu: for that matter, the puts/calls could be coincidence

14:42:53 mircea_popescu: ie, two diff people doing it at the same time

14:44:26 ThickAsThieves: too many coincidences in that case, imo

14:44:56 mircea_popescu: i think in the future bitcoin will make THE BEST detective/mystery stories

14:45:01 ThickAsThieves: not that superstition is the best financial strategy

14:45:45 ThickAsThieves: i'm just glad i got some affordable calls

14:46:02 ThickAsThieves: probly a sign that i'm the sucker in the room...

14:47:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8999 BTC [+]

14:47:05 mircea_popescu: $depth O.USD.C143T

14:47:06 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.C143T Bids: ['400 @ 0.155', '1000 @ 0.14212607', '1000 @ 0.14212607']

14:47:07 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.30647073', '1000 @ 0.30647073']

14:47:14 mircea_popescu: i dunno, everyone seems to want them

14:48:26 ThickAsThieves: FF

14:48:56 ThickAsThieves: (fast fingers)

14:50:14 ThickAsThieves: what kind of collateral is need to write puts like that

14:50:28 ThickAsThieves: or is it done by peeps with credit accounts

14:54:03 mircea_popescu: thousands of btc and who knows, maybe.

14:56:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.8601 = 18.601 BTC [-]

15:02:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00319322 = 1.1176 BTC [-]

15:07:32 ThickAsThieves: i assume more btc was paid to the seller, than the amount he has up for collateral?

15:08:30 ThickAsThieves: my idea is that the moves dont have so much to do with price movement, as accumulating more total btc

15:09:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.274 BTC [-]

15:09:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2701 BTC [-]

15:12:39 ThickAsThieves: okay, suppose the actor actually represents a great majority of the highest 5000btc of the bid book on Gox. Couldn't he sell those puts, dump 5000btc into mostly his own bids, driving price lower so he can now buy more btc at the new lower price? As long as he doesnt sell so low that he triggers the bot to excercise, he would be leveraging the btc to get more btc

15:14:05 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu how do you write so quickly

15:14:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.000725 = 1.74 BTC [-]

15:14:14 thestringpuller: you write like a research paper worth of words a week

15:14:19 ThickAsThieves: this theory is obv half-baked, just thinking out loud

15:15:20 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: it's reasonable but the issue is the puts

15:15:24 thestringpuller: right?

15:15:34 ThickAsThieves: only if price drops too low

15:15:50 thestringpuller: yea but even then you can get whiplash like mircea indicated

15:16:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.4689 BTC [+]

15:16:12 ThickAsThieves: maybe that depends on how large of a manipulator the actor really is

15:16:38 ThickAsThieves: if they can deal in 5000btc of puts, odds are they are a pretty big deal

15:19:02 thestringpuller: i think you underestimate the sensitive of the market panicking during "moves"

15:19:08 ThickAsThieves: there are other holes in my theory though

15:19:11 thestringpuller: sensitivity*

15:19:19 ThickAsThieves: like why fluff the bid book in this case

15:19:26 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have a spare pair of hands

15:19:39 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i assume more btc was paid to the seller, than the amount he has up for collateral? << now what sense does this make !?

15:20:01 ThickAsThieves: none if i'm wrong

15:20:15 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so you have four arms to finger four girls simultaneously

15:20:18 mircea_popescu: but the collateral you post is ALWAYS going to be more than what you get selling.

15:20:23 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller totally :D

15:20:44 mircea_popescu: but yes, i'm an intellectual. we write.

15:20:56 ThickAsThieves: but some actors have credit accounts no?

15:20:56 mircea_popescu: we read, we write, we process information. modern day mentats.

15:21:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah.

15:21:15 thestringpuller: I try to write, but it's difficult to care.

15:21:15 ThickAsThieves: so in that case collateral is nil

15:21:35 mircea_popescu: well, if you withdraw from a margined account it goes to cover margin first.

15:21:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.289 BTC [+]

15:21:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.271 BTC [-]

15:21:45 thestringpuller: in the sense it's difficult to find the right words

15:21:45 ThickAsThieves: ah

15:21:47 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2701 BTC [-]

15:22:06 thestringpuller: dude I think we're gonna see a bear assembly soon

15:22:15 thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000

15:22:15 gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 1351903.9426 USD and would take the last price down to 132.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 135.1904 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 22.9025 seconds

15:22:17 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> like why fluff the bid book in this case << what's that mean ?

15:22:27 thestringpuller: ;;market sell 20000

15:22:27 gribble: A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 2637090.8720 USD and would take the last price down to 125.1100 USD, resulting in an average price of 131.8545 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.7641 seconds

15:22:36 thestringpuller: ;;market sell 30000

15:22:36 gribble: A market order to sell 30000 bitcoins right now would net 3865234.4410 USD and would take the last price down to 121.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 128.8411 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 44.3863 seconds

15:22:39 ThickAsThieves: dont worry, your answers make my theory totally wrong

15:23:15 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188735.msg1985011#msg1985011 epic man.

15:23:19 mircea_popescu: just... epic.

15:23:28 thestringpuller: :P

15:24:13 mircea_popescu: also thestringpuller, you can finger two girls with one hand

15:24:47 ThickAsThieves: fingerbangonomics

15:24:50 thestringpuller: I've tried too hard.

15:29:33 thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX

15:29:33 assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 59.0473661 / 191.28391806 / 197.76214913 (639 shares, 153.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)

15:33:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 24 @ 0.000679 = 0.0163 BTC [+]

15:33:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 8 @ 0.0051 = 0.0408 BTC [+]

15:36:26 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187730.0;all

15:36:32 mircea_popescu: i find it incredible how much time this person has.

15:37:27 ThickAsThieves: me too

15:37:41 ThickAsThieves: i gave up following the whole usagi thing

15:38:10 ThickAsThieves: anything that takes that much explaining can't be good

15:38:45 mircea_popescu: absolutely.

15:41:05 jborkl: all that for 100 oz of silver? so 16 btc market cap :/

15:41:30 truffles: <ThickAsThieves> anything that takes that much explaining can't be good>>>> u dont like bitcoin?

15:46:08 mircea_popescu: tyeah

15:46:25 mircea_popescu: people somehow miss on this. options trade on mpex today ? 10k btc or w/e

15:46:34 mircea_popescu: usagi silve fund total nominal value ? 16 btc.

15:46:42 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10000/16

15:46:42 gribble: 625

15:46:49 mircea_popescu: takes 625 usagis a day.

15:47:32 jcpham: http://jcph.am/2013/04/30/tuesday-music-trio/

15:47:41 jcpham: listen to some music and forget about bitcoin

15:47:46 jcpham: especially the third one

15:47:52 mircea_popescu: there's three bitcoins ?

15:47:54 ThickAsThieves: truffles, no one had to justify bitocin to me

15:48:06 jcpham: yes only three bitcoins left

15:48:12 jcpham: act now. limite supplies.

15:48:36 truffles: oh its just that you said the difficult of the thing is why youre turned off to it

15:49:31 ThickAsThieves: not what i said

15:49:34 ThickAsThieves: also, context

15:49:34 jcpham: that's a lot of usagis

15:50:27 ThickAsThieves: english is not my first language

15:50:32 mircea_popescu: what srsly ?!

15:50:46 ThickAsThieves: kidding

15:50:48 jborkl: numa numa was just on the radio

15:51:00 jborkl: requested for mp

15:51:50 mircea_popescu: lol

15:52:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.8601 = 7.4404 BTC [-]

16:01:48 truffles: ThickAsThieves sorry, i meant to say i interpreted it that way

16:06:21 ThickAsThieves: no worries, i know i can be a little loose with my words

16:09:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7149 @ 0.000725 = 5.183 BTC [-]

16:11:57 mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/

16:19:51 jborkl: I just went to BTCjam , never go there

16:20:00 jborkl: filter by otc - no listings

16:25:48 Girlfawkesy: what about the gox listings?

16:26:02 Girlfawkesy: not that I think this is a good idea

16:31:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.321 BTC [-]

16:34:50 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 5 @ 0.30452304 = 1.5226 BTC [+]

16:37:26 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24061 BTC [-]

16:37:35 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2406 BTC [-]

16:37:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.231021 BTC [-]

16:37:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.23102 = 6.1551 BTC [-]

16:37:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.23091 = 3.6927 BTC [-]

16:38:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2255 BTC [-]

16:38:09 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.2254 = 9.8032 BTC [-]

16:38:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.225325 = 2.4507 BTC [-]

16:38:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22523 = 2.4505 BTC [-]

16:38:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.225 BTC [-]

16:38:34 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.217 = 2.434 BTC [-]

16:38:42 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.216957 BTC [-]

16:39:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [+]

16:39:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471699 BTC [+]

16:39:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.216957 BTC [-]

16:48:07 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24001 BTC [+]

16:48:11 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-]

16:50:15 assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P143T] 2 @ 0.49662084 = 0.9932 BTC [-]

16:51:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 15000 @ 0.00100005 = 15.0008 BTC [-]

16:51:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00199994 = 0.2 BTC [+]

16:53:41 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [+]

16:56:54 mircea_popescu: 27s Litecoin followed you 49s Devcoin followed you 1m Namecoin followed you 1m

16:56:54 mircea_popescu: PPCoins followed you 1m Bitcoin followed you

16:56:55 mircea_popescu: da fuck

17:00:25 Girlfawkesy: you forgot about feathercoins, the latest craze

17:03:25 mircea_popescu: well they forgot about me

17:03:30 mircea_popescu: i just got massfollowed by all the coinz

17:05:59 Girlfawkesy: too many coins, its a problem

17:10:03 jcpham: matonis linked this forbes article full of DPR quotes

17:10:15 jcpham: i've been readinf or some time now

17:11:34 jcpham: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/04/29/collected-quotations-of-the-dread-pirate-roberts-founder-of-the-drug-site-silk-road-and-radical-libertarian/3/

17:11:54 jcpham: there's a lot. he reads half adult/half child

17:11:57 jcpham: like peter pan

17:13:10 mircea_popescu: i saw some this morn in my digest

17:13:14 mircea_popescu: wasn't too impressed.

17:15:03 jcpham: i'm not going to be surprised to find out SR is run by a kid

17:15:09 jcpham: if/when that day comes

17:15:41 mircea_popescu: like 16 ? yeah.

17:17:34 Framedragger: well, SR used to run a mysqld with debugging mode enabled, so each time there was a DB error (and there were quite a few), users would get a specimen of the system's internals.

17:17:34 Framedragger: the internals seemed like a default LAMP stack to me. but afaik this has changed. well if they're a kid, they are surely learning to scale their infrastructure/business etc. :)

17:17:52 benkay: death is a downside cost of war? i thought it was a cheap way to get rid of excessively violent youths...

17:18:27 benkay: heh.

17:18:40 benkay: @ lamp stack

17:18:47 Framedragger: but yeah, the agorist sentiments are at a relatively naive level if i may say so. but hey.. :)

17:19:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.1602 = 0.6408 BTC [-]

17:19:07 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.1601 = 0.8005 BTC [-]

17:19:09 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.16 = 0.48 BTC [-]

17:19:13 Framedragger: yeah, i'm quite sure that at least it used to be apache + mysql + php, probably with default configs on a default ubuntu or sth. :)

17:19:48 benkay: how many times has sr been hacked?

17:20:46 Framedragger: i only recall one (really) major security breach, pwd / pwd hashes stolen etc. it was a long time ago, probably in its LAMP infancy days

17:20:56 Framedragger: they hired folks to harden security / rewrite things

17:21:26 jcpham: http://nashx.com/About

17:21:30 jcpham: looks more interesting

17:24:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.000725 = 6.8513 BTC [-]

17:25:14 Framedragger: nice one

17:25:14 Framedragger: "The amount you risk should be twice the amount you're trading in order to keep the deal in Nash equilibrium."

17:25:14 Framedragger: coolcool, actually looks interesting / i get the idea

17:32:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.1991 = 1.3937 BTC [+]

17:36:22 mircea_popescu: he was here a fewe days ago discussing it.

17:36:40 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu

17:36:41 gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

17:37:07 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0d7b2025f98ee246e08189ba63da58a91aa92dc3142a56e80c32a778

17:37:08 gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

17:37:18 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Girlfawkesy 1 my btc-e broker.

17:37:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Girlfawkesy has been recorded.

17:38:20 jcpham: http://pastebin.com/skGagP0X

17:38:30 jcpham: something about OVH and bitcoin site

17:38:38 jcpham: and brute forcing a password function

17:39:09 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell davout you seen http://pastebin.com/skGagP0X ?

17:39:09 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:40:03 jcpham: looks pretty big

17:40:31 mircea_popescu: yah

17:41:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31498 @ 0.000725 = 22.8361 BTC [-]

17:41:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00072153 = 8.9109 BTC [-]

17:41:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2137 @ 0.00072 = 1.5386 BTC [-]

17:41:52 error4733: haha mp i'm sur davout saw that :)

17:42:15 mircea_popescu: error4733 i think it's likely too, but you know, just in case.

17:42:26 mircea_popescu: if he didn't and nobody said anything cause sure he did... sucks to be him lol

17:42:42 jcpham: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5632479

17:42:57 jcpham: http://forums.ovh.net/showthread.php?p=548183

17:43:46 topace: !ticker m s.dice

17:43:47 assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00315598 / 0.0032441 / 0.00343999 (6603 shares, 21.42 BTC), 7D: 0.0023263 / 0.00295439 / 0.00349938 (39083 shares, 115.47 BTC), 30D: 0.0012 / 0.00311033 / 0.00439999 (940537 shares, 2,925.39 BTC)

17:43:57 topace: !ticker h sdice

17:43:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.32000000 / 0.322025 / 0.33480000 (40 shares, 12.88099987 BTC), 7D: 0.27500001 / 0.30852573 / 0.33480000 (633 shares, 195.29678962 BTC), 30D: 0.12500000 / 0.31325339 / 0.44969999 (6343 shares, 1986.96624734 BTC)

17:45:40 jcpham: TL;DR: Here's what happened. When a password reset is submitted, the user receives a random URL by email containing a random 21 letter string. The algorithm used was bad, so the random string could be brut-forced.

17:45:40 jcpham: The OVH team researched 3 years of password changelogs and found 3 customers who had been brute-forced that way, all in the "bitcoin community"

17:45:49 jcpham: sorry i wanted to make sense of what i read

17:47:02 mircea_popescu: yeah

17:47:26 imsaguy: because the bitcoin community typically has the maturity of a 12 y/o

17:47:41 imsaguy: "Here, hold all of my precious"

17:47:42 mircea_popescu: no, because the btc community has more money than all the internet combined.

17:47:50 jcpham: these cloud hoster will continually be infiltrated

17:47:56 jcpham: *hosters

17:48:11 jcpham: most likely that isn't going away

17:48:27 mircea_popescu: yea

17:48:27 imsaguy: anytime you put something in the cloud, you're risking it

17:48:29 jcpham: run a bitcoin based business on some rented platform -> get hacked

17:48:36 imsaguy: there's something to be said about physical security

17:48:46 jcpham: in this world, yes

17:48:46 imsaguy: the minute you give that up.. you'll be hosed

17:48:51 jcpham: for sure

17:48:52 imsaguy: its just a matter of time

17:58:55 mircea_popescu: We have been in contact with these clients but the quality of our exchanges did not allow us to get enough information that would help reveal an vulnerability on our side. Our developpers have in a completely independant way found the issue mentionned above, and only then have we realised that there was a link between our flaw and these 3 customers. We certainly have something to learn here about the best way to ensure

17:58:55 mircea_popescu: dialog with clients about this kind of issue.

17:59:00 mircea_popescu: this is some decent pr ovh has going.

18:00:16 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1 = 0.9 BTC [-]

18:00:52 Framedragger: ovh is typically not really good with client communication (personal limited experience)

18:02:23 benkay: all that said, there's no guarantee that owning your own boxes gets you anything

18:03:13 mircea_popescu: more generally, there's no guarantee.

18:03:18 mircea_popescu: also on the long term we're all hosed

18:03:20 mircea_popescu: in the burial way.

18:03:54 benkay: so have some damn fun!

18:04:43 Framedragger: in the entropy way, too..

18:04:43 Framedragger: benkay: sure, unless you / or your hire really know(s) what you/they're doing. running bitcoind under multiple layers of virtualization/isolation (e.g. bsd jails + virtualbox + chroot) is a start

18:06:26 Framedragger: at the very least, that way you at least may attempt to evaluate your risks, possible attack vectors etc. not with cloud hosting / whatever - parts of the hosting infrastructure remain hidden from the client (or their implementations). which generally sucks when somebody discovers that times have changed and some of those hosted machines are now storing highly valuable assets

18:07:38 Framedragger: if you're going to run bitcoind on a $30 Kimsufi rented server with root password reset capabilities in your 'customer control panel', you're gonna have a hard time

18:10:21 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.25396 = 8.7777 BTC [+]

18:15:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4815 @ 0.00071954 = 3.4646 BTC [-]

18:15:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00072491 = 1.921 BTC [+]

18:16:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00072623 = 6.5615 BTC [+]

18:18:55 KRS-1: lol this is madness today compared to lately

18:19:36 benkay: what's the madness, KRS-1?

18:20:36 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvPdgkD5LA8 lol

18:22:24 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25398 BTC [+]

18:22:49 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25398 BTC [+]

18:24:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15531 @ 0.00072623 = 11.2791 BTC [+]

18:29:10 KRS-1: oh just saying how the buy/sell order volume is there but then pulled back and then there again

18:29:30 KRS-1: its been pretty quiet til today, a bit more movement..maybe madness was overdoing it a bit

18:29:34 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

18:29:37 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.88697, Best ask: 137.12099, Bid-ask spread: 0.23402, Last trade: 137.12100, 24 hour volume: 53204.21184346, 24 hour low: 136.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 141.41656

18:31:00 KRS-1: This is a pretty good song

18:31:16 KRS-1: Is that one dude in the background you?

18:31:34 KRS-1: lol

18:33:36 thestringpuller: what's causing the drop?

18:35:12 thestringpuller: I feel like the bondholders saw the puts that were sold to the bot and dropped the price...

18:35:17 thestringpuller: CONSPIRACY

18:36:12 mircea_popescu: lol

18:38:20 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25399 BTC [+]

18:38:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.254 = 6.27 BTC [+]

18:38:31 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

18:38:31 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.31001, Best ask: 135.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08999, Last trade: 135.40000, 24 hour volume: 54369.04427953, 24 hour low: 135.48000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 141.29665

18:38:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.255 = 12.55 BTC [+]

18:38:35 tiberiusiv: bondholders are bagholders in mirceas scam

18:38:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.259999 = 25.2 BTC [+]

18:38:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.26985 = 2.5397 BTC [+]

18:38:54 thestringpuller: tiberiusiv: what do you even do in bitcoinland

18:38:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.27 = 8.89 BTC [+]

18:39:11 tiberiusiv: i dont scam people like mircea does.

18:39:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27195 = 2.5439 BTC [+]

18:39:16 tiberiusiv: so doing nothing is better then that

18:39:23 thestringpuller: so you do nothing?

18:39:26 thestringpuller: COOL

18:39:28 tiberiusiv: mircea is nothing but a big fraud

18:39:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27795 = 2.5559 BTC [+]

18:39:31 thestringpuller: Can I invest in you?

18:39:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]

18:39:46 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2997 = 3.8991 BTC [+]

18:39:51 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2998 BTC [+]

18:40:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.29998 = 5.1999 BTC [+]

18:40:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.29999 = 3.9 BTC [+]

18:40:29 thestringpuller: tiberiusiv the man who criticizes without any credentials

18:40:35 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.3 = 11.7 BTC [+]

18:40:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.3 = 39 BTC [+]

18:40:40 thestringpuller: intellectualism to the extreme!

18:40:41 tiberiusiv: ignored

18:40:48 thestringpuller: you must be the smartest person I know!

18:41:00 KRS-1: u mad tiberiusiv

18:41:10 KRS-1: y u mad brah

18:41:13 thestringpuller: ;;gribble tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!!

18:41:13 gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?

18:41:16 tiberiusiv: guy has like 2 btc

18:41:22 KRS-1: dun be mad brah

18:41:22 tiberiusiv: dont know why he bothers

18:41:28 thestringpuller: ;;tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!!

18:41:34 KRS-1: seriously...u mad?

18:41:37 thestringpuller: ;;later tell tiberiusiv I WON'T BE IGNORED!!!!!!!

18:41:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:41:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29999 BTC [-]

18:42:01 tiberiusiv: ;;tell mircea_popescu you are a fraud and a scammer

18:42:04 thestringpuller: ;;later tell tiberiusiv I have 75 btc now liquid. Soon I will have a few hundred as things grow.

18:42:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:42:58 thestringpuller: ;;later tell tiberiusiv You are a poop who has no rational statements to use because you'd rather be accusatory rather than contribute anything of value to society, like a greedy American addicted to the allure of wealth.

18:42:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:43:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.898 BTC [+]

18:43:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.898 BTC [+]

18:43:26 thestringpuller: :D

18:43:51 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.30999 BTC [+]

18:44:16 tiberiusiv: all my statements are perfectly rational

18:44:23 tiberiusiv: i told everyone in here mircea_popesc the SCUM

18:44:31 tiberiusiv: would have another large losing month

18:44:33 tiberiusiv: and he did.

18:44:47 tiberiusiv: mircea popescu will end up losing/stealing more bitcoins then pirate ever dreamt of

18:45:16 thestringpuller: he's not pokceting coins dude

18:45:23 tiberiusiv: he sells worthless shares.

18:45:50 tiberiusiv: even if hes not pocketing bondholder coins

18:45:54 thestringpuller: they pay out pretty much the same dividends every month...

18:45:56 tiberiusiv: his risk management is so bad that he will be out of funds

18:45:59 tiberiusiv: to continue MPOE

18:46:06 tiberiusiv: thestringpuller are you stupid?

18:46:07 thestringpuller: MPOE doesn't keep any cash on hand

18:46:11 tiberiusiv: MPOE has lost HUGE

18:46:17 tiberiusiv: in the last 60 days alone.

18:46:24 tiberiusiv: either mircea is faking losses to steal bondholders coins

18:46:26 thestringpuller: It lost bondholder money

18:46:30 tiberiusiv: or hes one dumb fuck

18:46:30 thestringpuller: not any money of it's own

18:46:31 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178535.0

18:46:37 mircea_popescu: betbtcnow.com ? never heard of it.

18:46:39 tiberiusiv: yea obviously. it has no money

18:46:51 tiberiusiv: why would scammer mircea risk his own money

18:47:02 thestringpuller: so your point is bondholders put up capital, .23~ loss per coin

18:47:03 tiberiusiv: MPOE has no "money of its own"

18:47:12 thestringpuller: = scam

18:47:13 tiberiusiv: bond holders have lost over 50%

18:47:17 tiberiusiv: in the last 60 days alone

18:47:25 tiberiusiv: mircea fakes trades in order to stimulate bids for his shitty stock

18:47:36 tiberiusiv: as he owns 90%+ of the float

18:47:43 tiberiusiv: everytime he sells a piece of the float its free money to him

18:47:45 thestringpuller: proof of faking trades?

18:47:57 tiberiusiv: um theres no one in here trading them?

18:48:04 tiberiusiv: its like a handful of people.

18:48:17 thestringpuller: anonymous shareholders != scam

18:48:20 tiberiusiv: mircea is running a textbook boiler room

18:48:25 tiberiusiv: there arent any shareholders.

18:48:28 tiberiusiv: its just mircea

18:48:33 tiberiusiv: hence why he still controls over 90% of float

18:48:46 tiberiusiv: he needs to get bids in to sell into

18:49:08 tiberiusiv: hence why he has the options bs going.

18:49:19 tiberiusiv: to show activities.

18:49:30 tiberiusiv: but mircea has lost more in the last 60 days then his ventures have EVER made in profit

18:49:31 thestringpuller: dude you're making bs claims with no evidence

18:49:38 tiberiusiv: theres plenty of evidence.

18:49:43 thestringpuller: in terms of faking tarades

18:49:47 tiberiusiv: mircea is a fraudster

18:49:54 tiberiusiv: he fucked over people in here too

18:49:57 tiberiusiv: like bugpowder

18:50:04 tiberiusiv: by cancelling trades out

18:50:06 thestringpuller: Bugpowder is up 1500%

18:50:13 tiberiusiv: and?

18:50:18 tiberiusiv: hes not up all the way

18:50:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2884 @ 0.00072623 = 2.0944 BTC [+]

18:50:26 tiberiusiv: theres many trades hes been cancelled out on.

18:50:46 tiberiusiv: mircea is an egomaniac fraudster that wont admit MPOE has been a huge failure

18:51:01 tiberiusiv: he honestly believes his options scam is actually influencing btc price.

18:51:03 thestringpuller: because it's not?

18:51:13 tiberiusiv: um losing 30,000 bitcoins in 60 days

18:51:15 tiberiusiv: is a failure to me.

18:51:33 thestringpuller: how?

18:51:50 tiberiusiv: he wont have enough bitcoins if losses continue

18:52:09 tiberiusiv: MPOE will shut down either way

18:52:11 thestringpuller: dude MPOE doesn't hold capital

18:52:14 tiberiusiv: unless hes lieing and just pocketing the coins

18:52:18 thestringpuller: so he won't run out of money

18:52:19 tiberiusiv: and rinse repeat

18:52:28 tiberiusiv: yes they do they hold bondholder capital.

18:52:34 tiberiusiv: thats what the bond gambles with.

18:52:36 tiberiusiv: DUH

18:52:47 tiberiusiv: yes he will unless he finds more suckers to give him bitcoins

18:53:03 thestringpuller: dude the bondholder list is huge

18:53:18 tiberiusiv: no it isnt.

18:53:26 tiberiusiv: why are you still tallking?

18:53:26 jcpham: apparently someone just sent 40 btc to SD in -otc and lost it

18:53:32 thestringpuller: because you're full of shit

18:53:34 jcpham: hurrr

18:53:40 tiberiusiv: mircea admits that over 90% of the bond portfolio is him

18:53:57 thestringpuller: it amuses me how accusatory you are

18:53:59 Framedragger: ouch re: 40btc

18:54:01 tiberiusiv: back on ignore the loser with 2 bitcoins who has no idea how anything works

18:54:07 tiberiusiv: if you had a clue you wouldnt be so broke

18:54:15 thestringpuller: i'm far from broke?

18:54:21 jcpham: tiberiusiv how can i make money

18:56:09 jcpham: fine ignore me

19:02:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.003625 BTC [+]

19:03:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 99 @ 0.003625 = 0.3589 BTC [+]

19:07:15 benkay: thestringpuller: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/

19:07:29 benkay: mircea is 68K of 84K in bondholder capital

19:08:10 benkay: only 80.9%

19:09:07 benkay: and this month, only 6.4 kbtc in bonds were sold

19:09:30 benkay: but at 12.5%

19:09:37 benkay: that's a pretty steep rate

19:10:05 benkay: needs to be, to induce people to put up bonds that are almost guaranteed to take huge writedowns

19:11:10 mircea_popescu: benkay only 6.4 in bonds were needed.

19:11:29 deadweasel: projected expenses, right?

19:12:49 benkay: how is necessary bond capital determined? the bot says "I want to underwrite bonds!" and then does so?

19:13:04 mircea_popescu: retroactively. looks how much exposure it had at the point it had the most exposure.

19:13:56 tiberiusiv: benkay hahah

19:14:10 tiberiusiv: deadweasel projected expenses?|

19:14:13 tiberiusiv: are you fucking stupid.

19:14:25 tiberiusiv: how can you project losses from bitcoin volatility.

19:14:38 tiberiusiv: the price can go swing 50% either way

19:14:49 tiberiusiv: mircea popescu LOSES money when bitcoin is volatile

19:14:52 tiberiusiv: which is like 80% of the time

19:15:22 tiberiusiv: mircea the fraud/scammer had to put a 12.5% rate in order to get more greedy idiots to give him bitcoins

19:17:14 benkay: nobody's modeling anything

19:17:18 benkay: nobody's writing this shit up

19:17:23 tiberiusiv: no shit

19:17:27 benkay: it's just a bunch of opionions flying back and forth on irc

19:17:34 tiberiusiv: hes a fraud

19:17:42 benkay: you have a claim

19:17:43 tiberiusiv: needs the activity to stimulate bids for worthless mpex shares

19:17:46 tiberiusiv: that he sells

19:17:52 tiberiusiv: CLASSIC boiler room scheme

19:18:05 tiberiusiv: hence why he does it out of lawless romania where he is untouchable

19:18:20 benkay: so, what would be a good metric for evaluating this claim?

19:18:37 tiberiusiv: what claim? that mircea owns 90%+ of the float and he needs bids to dump into

19:18:49 Framedragger: "lawless romania" haha right

19:19:00 tiberiusiv: romania is the fraud capital of the world for a reason

19:19:13 tiberiusiv: you can buy police/judges quite easily

19:19:23 xire: dun dun dun dun dun da da

19:19:48 xire: here in romania, we make own rules

19:19:50 tiberiusiv: mircea is an egomaniac who wont admit to mistakes

19:19:53 Framedragger: kinda need citations to support these claims, only because ISPs do not prosecute scriptkiddies there does not mean much

19:20:03 tiberiusiv: citations?

19:20:08 tiberiusiv: its the internet fraud capital of the world.

19:20:12 tiberiusiv: go fucking get your own citations

19:20:20 tiberiusiv: a cop costs $200

19:20:31 Framedragger: to actual studies operationalizing such terms as (lol) 'fraud capital' :)

19:20:52 tiberiusiv: http://www.france24.com/en/20121207-reporters-romania-hackerville-ramnicu-valcea-cyber-crime-fraud-scams-hackers-internet-police-fbi-cia-bitdefender

19:20:55 Framedragger: i can also buy a cop in my hometown, though not sure of price :P

19:21:04 tiberiusiv: theres entire villages there where people dont do anything but internet scams

19:21:32 xire: tiberiusiv, what country are you from?

19:21:35 tiberiusiv: http://www.france24.com/en/20121207-reporters-romania-hackerville-ramnicu-valcea-cyber-crime-fraud-scams-hackers-internet-police-fbi-cia-bitdefender

19:21:46 tiberiusiv: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3226837/ns/technology_and_science-security/t/how-romania-became-center-cybercrime/#.UYAZvMpVVLo

19:21:46 deadweasel: tiberiusiv: eat my cock, welcome to ignore for the 5th time this month.

19:22:05 tiberiusiv: how convenient mircea is in romania lol

19:22:27 tiberiusiv: poor ass gypsy who resorts to internet scams like his country men

19:23:55 Framedragger: lol, did you read the article you linked to mate, it doesn't really say anything apart from mentioning the keywords that matched your google query

19:24:49 deadweasel: tiberiusiv doesn't take anything in, he merely spews outward

19:24:53 tiberiusiv: theres plenty of articles

19:24:58 Framedragger: "But outside these run-down flats, the streets are full of expensive, fast cars that are a marked contrast to their surroundings. [same in many countries, saw that in sarajevo, etc] The hackers like to show off their wealth and power with these high-powered vehicles, which they race through the streets at night. [this does not follow from the prev sentence"

19:24:58 Framedragger: not sure why i'm responding though :(

19:25:02 tiberiusiv: mircea popescu is a fraud and you will lose

19:25:22 tiberiusiv: once he runs out of bagholders

19:25:26 jcpham: so tiberiusiv do you know mircea_popescu

19:25:37 jcpham: i'm curious about your motivations

19:26:04 jcpham: normally people are vocal about this sort of thing have some one else pulling the strings, so to speak

19:26:15 jcpham: so it seems odd, unfounded, not genuine.

19:26:15 tiberiusiv: right so its a conspiracy now

19:26:21 deadweasel: thestringpuller!!! it's you!

19:26:25 tiberiusiv: you a mircea cheerleader

19:26:32 jcpham: not really. fuck him

19:26:36 jcpham: i don't know him

19:26:36 deadweasel: ^

19:26:50 deadweasel: ditto

19:26:54 jcpham: but i am curious about your motivations

19:26:58 jcpham: at this point

19:26:59 tiberiusiv: i dont have any

19:27:06 tiberiusiv: merely pointing out how his boiler room scam works

19:27:08 jcpham: are you sure about that?

19:27:15 tiberiusiv: mircea needs bids to sell his worthless shares mpex.

19:27:24 jcpham: i'm going to believe you for now i guess

19:27:34 benkay: what about s.dice? is that a scam as well?

19:27:36 deadweasel: bitcoins at any price over 8$ are a scam, go tell #bitcoin-anal about it

19:27:38 jcpham: but your outspoken nature on romanians is highly suspect

19:27:51 benkay: so are MP's on "niggers"

19:27:51 tiberiusiv: benkay: sdice is shady but hard to tell if its a scam or not

19:28:00 mircea_popescu: pfff.

19:28:13 benkay: just elbowing you

19:28:14 tiberiusiv: mircea is a nigger himself

19:28:22 jcpham: smh

19:28:43 tiberiusiv: voorhees does hold a huge par tof the float

19:28:46 tiberiusiv: he loves dumping

19:28:47 mircea_popescu: so bitcoin is a scam or what

19:28:58 benkay: sdice is an awesome example of what happens in economies that think they're unregulatable

19:28:58 jcpham: i think it might be a scam mircea_popescu

19:29:06 tiberiusiv: bitcoin cant be a scam as it does not need endles new bidders

19:29:18 mircea_popescu: jcpham brb gotta post on my blog.

19:29:18 tiberiusiv: mpex does.

19:29:24 jcpham: oh wait tiberiusiv said it isn't a scam now

19:29:33 jcpham: i thought it was a scam a minute ago

19:29:37 tiberiusiv: i never said it was one

19:29:45 jcpham: my mistake.

19:29:46 tiberiusiv: i said MPEX and mircea are scams

19:29:47 jcpham: totally

19:29:48 tiberiusiv: not bitcoin.

19:29:58 jcpham: can i be a scam too?

19:29:59 tiberiusiv: guy cant even read probably another lowlife with a few coins

19:30:07 jcpham: will you tell people

19:30:13 tiberiusiv: yes

19:30:16 jcpham: super

19:31:02 mircea_popescu: wait what ?

19:31:03 jcpham: how many bitcoins do i need to posses to own a "few"

19:31:04 mircea_popescu: im confused.

19:31:18 jcpham: what's the arbitrary number

19:31:22 jcpham: that makes me cool

19:31:23 mircea_popescu: jcpham 13, as established by uppittytortilla

19:31:31 jcpham: i got that

19:31:38 jcpham: toattally in the cool kids club

19:31:39 mircea_popescu: k send them to me now

19:31:44 jcpham: psssh

19:31:46 jcpham: scammer

19:31:46 benkay: FOAR TEH BONDS

19:31:50 jcpham: romanian scammer

19:31:54 mircea_popescu: send them to me or you don't go to the supernode.

19:31:59 jcpham: fuck

19:32:04 jcpham: i need it for Helsinki

19:32:09 mircea_popescu: 1sendhereorelsenosupernode1254

19:32:10 jcpham: 1.5 class suernode

19:32:20 rigacrypto: anyone knows a good bitcoin trading channel ?

19:32:28 jcpham: not this one

19:32:43 tiberiusiv: there arent any rigacrypto

19:32:47 dub: #bitcoin-spacedicks

19:32:49 tiberiusiv: its mostly clowns with 1-2btc trying to get rich

19:32:57 tiberiusiv: #mircea_popescu

19:33:09 mircea_popescu: rigacrypto this but romanians aren't allowed so.

19:33:10 tiberiusiv: daily fraud seminars

19:33:24 jcpham: 1-2 btc is not a percentage of my total ealth

19:33:26 tiberiusiv: 2.99 BTC for the packet

19:33:29 jcpham: i do percentages

19:33:31 dub: jcpham is a semenair

19:33:46 mircea_popescu: 1-2 btc is FIDDY PERCENTAGES

19:33:47 jcpham: dub what?!? thaere's semen in the air!>!?!

19:33:50 mircea_popescu: of your total poverty

19:34:08 jcpham: hundredaire

19:34:20 jcpham: popping cola bottles

19:34:48 rigacrypto: anybody shorting bitcoins ?

19:34:48 jcpham: i don't even think i can link you to wallet i controll with a lot of coins

19:34:54 jurov: you naughtaires

19:34:55 jcpham: sorry to disappoint

19:34:55 rigacrypto: what's your entry point and when do you plan to close the position ?

19:35:41 deadweasel: drinkin' tap water

19:35:49 jurov: rigacrypto: here ppl prefer mpoe options as "entry points"

19:35:51 jcpham: shorting? like long term shorting

19:35:52 jborkl: pfft , I won't use a 1.5 supernode

19:35:58 jborkl: only 1.49 or better

19:36:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [-]

19:36:00 jcpham: or just short term- shorting like today

19:36:18 rigacrypto: long term. never fight the bots

19:36:24 jcpham: wow

19:36:36 rigacrypto: @jurov: ok

19:36:39 jcpham: but the bots are the market

19:37:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32701996 BTC [+]

19:37:07 jcpham: i have a hard time planning anything for more than afew hours

19:37:17 rigacrypto: the market is made of hype-controlled people

19:37:31 jcpham: or hype-producing people...

19:37:32 rigacrypto: analyze the hype cycle and you can guess the market

19:37:34 jurov: and rigacrypto, my ex-boss asked me the same some time ago

19:37:56 jurov: the best answer around was "don't buy bitcoins at all"

19:38:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3211 BTC [-]

19:38:10 jcpham: rigacrypto i couldn't stay short for more than a few hours

19:38:34 jborkl: the hype circle jerk is in -otc and I would'nt stick micrea-popescus dick in that shithole of a channel

19:38:56 rigacrypto: a better strategy: long when it's low and short when it's high :D

19:38:57 jcpham: they are talking about btcjam loans still

19:39:23 jurov: rigacrypto: right now it is low or high?

19:39:32 jurov: a million bitcoins question :D

19:39:49 rigacrypto: at 160, my entry point, it was high; I wonder the same thing now :)

19:39:55 jcpham: i still think we're correcting to 4 digits

19:39:57 jborkl: i think right now there is one buyer and one seller

19:39:59 jcpham: might take 9 months

19:40:01 jcpham: though

19:40:28 jurov: let's divide us to bulls, bears and boars and vote

19:41:31 benkay: on what timeframe, jurov ;) ?

19:41:53 jurov: medium short-to-long term

19:42:03 dub: rigacrypto: there is #bitcoin-analysis but its turning into -otc

19:43:30 rigacrypto: the dumber the better. good proxy for market sentiment

19:43:36 rigacrypto: otc it is then

19:43:40 mircea_popescu: gl.

19:43:57 jurov: oh, then there's btc-e trollbox (but it's mostly about ltc)

19:46:36 dub: how is ltc doing, any panic from the looming lukepocalypse?

19:47:15 jurov: no change recently

19:47:39 jurov: hovering above 0.03 btc

19:48:31 jurov: i hope that attack coincides with mtgox launch...for moar drama

19:49:30 benkay: attack?

19:49:51 jurov: benkay, luke-jr promises to 51% litecoin

19:50:05 benkay: nice

19:50:14 benkay: why?

19:50:15 jurov: supposedly it users scrypt wrongly and prone to fpgas

19:50:36 dub: because alt coins are bad

19:50:44 dub: and bitcoin needs more drama

19:51:36 benkay: let's all waste the one asset we never get more of

19:52:35 jurov: maybe bitcoin became sentient AI and hates competitors and it's hungry for drama

19:52:50 jurov: and miners are his minions

19:52:54 mircea_popescu: <benkay> why? << because he'd like people to think he still has miner relevance.

19:53:03 mircea_popescu: i guess in the end he'll attack ppcoin or something

19:53:38 dub: kinda surprised he hasnt

19:53:59 jurov: iirc ppcoin uses merged mining with btc

19:54:16 dub: no it doesnt, or he would have

19:54:49 ThickAsThieves: cuz attacking a coin is great for your rep

19:55:11 ThickAsThieves: look at how much we adored the devs after the bitcoin fork

19:55:19 mircea_popescu: lol

19:55:52 dub: there will be some ideological resason that makes sense only to the type of person that would rape his wife with his four kids in the bed next to them

19:55:57 jcpham: i'd help luke 51% litecoin

19:55:58 jcpham: for sure

19:56:11 truffles: why

19:56:11 jcpham: when does that happen

19:56:19 jcpham: because i can?

19:56:20 ThickAsThieves: it's the productive thing to do

19:56:24 mircea_popescu: wednesday after lent.

19:56:34 jcpham: litecoin has no value

19:56:42 jcpham: other than to hedge against bitcoin

19:56:46 mircea_popescu: dub pix ?

19:56:47 ThickAsThieves: thus attacking litecoin has value?

19:56:55 jcpham: it's neat and all....and that's a neat value

19:56:59 jcpham: but sort of pointless

19:57:14 mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-92985

19:57:14 ThickAsThieves: making an attack even more pointless

19:57:16 mircea_popescu: is that tibby ?

19:57:37 jcpham: ThickAsThieves so i should quit now?

19:58:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00073864 = 4.2841 BTC [+]

19:58:11 jcpham: i hate litecoin because i missed the pump and dump

19:58:13 ThickAsThieves: let the kids have their fun i say

19:58:18 jcpham: during $260 bitcoins

19:58:21 mircea_popescu: jcpham you know what ? i missed it too

19:58:28 mircea_popescu: bought them cheap sold like 25% of the way up

19:58:30 jcpham: jeez it was epic

19:58:57 dub: mircea_popescu: I can answer that question:- because bitcoin

19:59:10 ThickAsThieves: i thought i was all fancy selling my litecoins at like .026

19:59:20 ThickAsThieves: then it kept going

19:59:26 jcpham: they got up to like $10 or something right

19:59:33 jcpham: maybe 5$

19:59:35 ThickAsThieves: .04+ i think

19:59:36 jcpham: way too much

19:59:36 mircea_popescu: dub which q are you answering ?

19:59:45 ThickAsThieves: all questions

19:59:46 dub: why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/

20:00:06 mircea_popescu: a a. myeah.

20:00:44 jcpham: omg mircea_popescu

20:00:52 jcpham: i already clowned on him in -otc

20:01:01 jcpham: talk about a 1st owrld problem

20:01:08 jcpham: his house looks fine

20:01:18 mircea_popescu: no dude.

20:01:24 mircea_popescu: must spend 200 btc to add a balcony.

20:01:33 jcpham: retarded

20:01:51 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

20:01:51 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.01000, Best ask: 137.75000, Bid-ask spread: 1.74000, Last trade: 137.87980, 24 hour volume: 60555.46093699, 24 hour low: 134.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 140.33742

20:01:59 mircea_popescu: (i had no idea wtf he's doing at the time of writing, but anyway)

20:02:04 ThickAsThieves: nice spread

20:02:18 jcpham: it's a laughable forum post

20:07:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]

20:07:10 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]

20:07:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]

20:25:32 mircea_popescu: ah finally!

20:25:45 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu

20:25:45 gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

20:26:14 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8689fa94da1f1eb79f997983fc12ba991db3bad46a67ddd64eae7819

20:26:14 gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

20:26:16 mircea_popescu: win.

20:26:21 mircea_popescu: it works here too now.

20:28:12 Framedragger: oh, nice.

20:29:27 mircea_popescu: "The difference between the Valley and Eastern Europe is that in the Valley spammers get VC funding. Also, the spam is beautifully designed."

20:37:58 KRS-1: p33r for now i have j00 key

20:42:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]

20:48:30 Luke-Jr: jurov: eh, when did I promise that?

20:49:02 jurov: lemme check

20:50:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0101 BTC [+]

20:51:26 jurov: Luke-Jr: okay, seems you "just"

20:51:31 jurov: spread a rumor

20:52:03 Luke-Jr: also won't be me doing it

20:54:52 kakobrekla: a followup https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188735.msg1988722#msg1988722

20:55:59 mircea_popescu: lmai

20:56:31 kakobrekla: is like

20:56:36 kakobrekla: id code it 10 years ago

20:56:38 kakobrekla: :\

20:56:58 kakobrekla: (when i was 15)

20:57:33 kakobrekla: maybe id do a better job

20:57:42 kakobrekla: even.

20:58:25 mircea_popescu: ya i was thinking, yet anoither kid with php doing an exchange.

20:59:02 kakobrekla: well, its not the phps fault, just cause some idiots drive into a wall cars are not inheritly bad

21:00:27 mircea_popescu: o sure.

21:00:34 mircea_popescu: if anything it's php's fault for being too good.

21:00:39 mircea_popescu: so everyone uses it.

21:00:42 kakobrekla: :)

21:01:36 kakobrekla: i should be getting paid for this bashing!

21:01:42 kakobrekla: its too valuable

21:01:48 kakobrekla: to rant for free

21:01:51 jurov: stfu, you got 0.1btc..a fortune

21:02:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24688 BTC [-]

21:02:02 kakobrekla: -assets got those

21:02:08 kakobrekla: to help kako with development!

21:02:10 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.245 BTC [-]

21:02:22 kakobrekla: accually i got nothing yet.

21:02:30 kakobrekla: just unfunded short position

21:02:34 mircea_popescu: lol

21:02:35 jurov: anyway, what's planned?

21:02:47 mircea_popescu: see, when i flatteded icbit i got like a few hundred out of it.

21:03:36 kakobrekla: ya but icbit accually half worked

21:03:38 kakobrekla: this doesnt.

21:04:08 ezdiy: hmm, btc.sx

21:04:19 ezdiy: why do people keep using zhoutongs code?

21:04:40 kakobrekla: you think its his?

21:05:06 kakobrekla: 23:04.19 ( ezdiy ) why do people keep using zhoutongs code? < -- cause amir

21:05:28 ezdiy: ah

21:05:35 ezdiy: bitcoinica's code aint even zhoutongs? :)

21:05:48 kakobrekla: amir leaked it iirc?

21:06:11 ezdiy: yeah, who knows

21:06:28 ezdiy: maybe he wrote it

21:06:31 ezdiy: and zhoutong stole it

21:06:32 ezdiy: lol

21:06:41 kakobrekla: no no

21:06:49 kakobrekla: zhoutong is in the biz of stealing btc

21:06:51 kakobrekla: not stealing code

21:07:27 ezdiy: i think zhoutong was just pressed by the circumstances

21:07:35 kakobrekla: eh?

21:07:37 ezdiy: i mean, his bucketshop has been basically printing money

21:07:47 kakobrekla: what?

21:08:05 ezdiy: it made no sense to kill it

21:08:12 ezdiy: unless he got bored with it or something

21:08:21 mircea_popescu: ezdiy nah, zhoutong wriote it, then brought it "bitcoin consultancy" "experts"

21:08:30 ezdiy: mircea_popescu: i know

21:08:32 mircea_popescu: who supervised the next two hackjs and leaked the code

21:08:34 mircea_popescu: a ok

21:08:47 ezdiy: mircea_popescu: what is interesting the speculation which follows up

21:08:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, they were actually losing money with it.

21:09:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00073244 = 1.4283 BTC [-]

21:09:17 kakobrekla: were they?

21:09:41 ezdiy: from what i gather its been extremely profitable before it was sold to intersango :)

21:09:47 ezdiy: i mean

21:09:53 ezdiy: with spreads like 10%

21:10:16 ezdiy: you simply cant lose money

21:10:22 mircea_popescu: you gather wrongly.

21:10:33 mircea_popescu: there's emails leaked showing zhoutong taking no salary because they had losses.

21:10:41 ezdiy: sure

21:10:55 ezdiy: i'm talking before intersango took over

21:10:55 mircea_popescu: overall it probably never made enough to cover the sum total of hacks.

21:11:17 kakobrekla: im guessing losses was cause gox

21:11:20 ezdiy: after that i suspect zhoutong just asset stripped it

21:11:43 ezdiy: kakobrekla: yeah, the "hacks"

21:11:45 ezdiy: i mean

21:12:01 ezdiy: you dont just run with the money like some low life crook

21:12:09 ezdiy: you just claim you were hacked in bitcoin world :)

21:12:33 rexcrypto: what happened to the kid ? I heard about a mysterious "investor" putting 50K to "insure" bitfinex loans

21:12:33 kakobrekla: accually im suprised tux is still alive

21:12:55 rexcrypto: they took a loss during the recent volatile market, and eat it

21:12:59 mircea_popescu: rexcrypto sounds like bs and how is bitfinex related rly ?

21:13:04 ezdiy: rexcrypto: i'd not be surprised if he's alive and well, and pulling the strings

21:13:26 kakobrekla: i mean how much one must owe to get a hit

21:13:32 kakobrekla: on him/her

21:13:41 ezdiy: kakobrekla: to get a hit?

21:13:42 kakobrekla: ?

21:13:48 rexcrypto: isn't bitfinex using the same source code ?

21:13:55 ezdiy: rexcrypto: yes

21:14:05 kakobrekla: ezdiy to wack him

21:14:13 ezdiy: rexcrypto: however its not as simple as that

21:14:21 ezdiy: rexcrypto: the house must be constantly adjusted to not lose money

21:14:32 kakobrekla: 1mio usd ? 10 mio usd ? 100 mio?

21:14:42 ezdiy: i suspect only zhoutong could do that without throwing off people with outrageous spreads

21:15:59 ezdiy: kakobrekla: to get a hitman to the tune 100k imo

21:16:07 ezdiy: kakobrekla: its not imo about the money, but knowing the right people

21:16:08 jurov: not even a hitman

21:16:14 jurov: frozen account, etc.

21:16:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 816 @ 0.00073244 = 0.5977 BTC [-]

21:16:31 ezdiy: jurov: huh?

21:16:33 kakobrekla: 100k?

21:16:38 kakobrekla: thats nothing.

21:16:40 jurov: i really wonder why this happened only to bitcoin-24 owner so far

21:16:46 jurov: and no other exchange

21:16:48 ezdiy: kakobrekla: yup

21:16:51 kakobrekla: he has like 20k coins

21:16:54 kakobrekla: from bitcoinica

21:16:56 kakobrekla: iirc

21:17:00 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

21:17:01 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.25041, Best ask: 137.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24959, Last trade: 137.50000, 24 hour volume: 63683.40158072, 24 hour low: 134.00000, 24 hour high: 146.93000, 24 hour vwap: 140.15166

21:17:07 kakobrekla: ;;calc 20000*137

21:17:07 gribble: 2740000

21:17:10 rexcrypto: the kid was chinese, right ? is it simply a coincidence bitfinex is in HK ? then they come up with mystery "investors"

21:17:14 ezdiy: kakobrekla: thats like 2 years ago

21:17:20 kakobrekla: so he holds like 3mio

21:17:30 kakobrekla: of other peoples money

21:17:39 kakobrekla: nothing compared to what bitfloor did

21:17:42 ezdiy: rexcrypto: i dont think hes in directly

21:17:43 kakobrekla: and they want to eat him alive

21:17:46 kakobrekla: aint that interesting.

21:17:47 ezdiy: that would be too dangerous

21:17:49 ezdiy: and stupid

21:17:54 ezdiy: but people forget quickly

21:17:58 ezdiy: so what do we know

21:18:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.18 = 0.9 BTC [+]

21:19:01 ezdiy: kakobrekla: was there any banking fiat lost in bitcoinica hack?

21:19:06 ezdiy: or was it just mtgox codes?

21:19:20 ezdiy: because btc and mtgox codes .... lol, good luck suing someone just for that

21:19:36 ezdiy: if there is no legally binding record of transaction

21:19:59 kakobrekla: he admits it

21:20:49 rexcrypto: what ever happened to zhoutong's book ?

21:21:05 rexcrypto: he was planning to write the "bitcoin book"

21:25:56 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23505 BTC [-]

21:27:41 louong: don't get Zhoutonged man

21:28:04 ezdiy: "How to zhoutong for fun and profit"

21:29:06 rexcrypto: bitfinex is the only bucket shop that can do a BTC short

21:29:09 louong: biggest troll ever Zhoutong

21:29:22 rexcrypto: so I'm probably getting zhoutonged as we speak

21:35:25 ezdiy: rexcrypto: yup

21:35:51 ezdiy: other than being in ruby, the bitcoinica code is actually pretty decent

21:36:21 ezdiy: the leaked version has some bugs so you can beat the house pretty quickly, that seems to be fixed on bitfinex now :(

21:37:51 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg1986595#msg1986595

21:37:52 kakobrekla: awww

21:38:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.85 BTC [-]

21:38:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.85 BTC [-]

21:38:49 mircea_popescu: ezdiy you tried it ?

21:39:33 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

21:41:12 kakobrekla: i was scammed in rl today

21:41:48 iz: i know, it's dumb, when they say "free refills", it's implied it means IN THAT VISIT

21:41:49 mircea_popescu: by a girl ?

21:41:57 iz: what a scam

21:42:42 kakobrekla: accually yea, a cahier ... and i was checkin the bill cause i though it was funny but aparently it went past me in the heat of the moment

21:42:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.0142 = 0.0284 BTC [+]

21:43:44 mircea_popescu: so report her

21:43:45 ezdiy: kakobrekla: more often than not cashiers dont do it intentionally

21:43:48 ezdiy: unless they're vietnamese

21:43:53 mircea_popescu: she slipped you a mickey!

21:43:59 ezdiy: then count the change. twice. and check for fake bills.

21:44:14 kakobrekla: hm twas like 20 euro or so

21:44:23 kakobrekla: its gonna cost me more than that to try to fix it

21:44:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [+]

21:44:42 kakobrekla: so meh

21:45:00 mircea_popescu: fake 20 euro bill ?!

21:45:14 kakobrekla: no, the bill should be 100 instead of 120

21:45:26 mircea_popescu: um

21:45:29 mircea_popescu: a ok

21:46:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47939799 BTC [+]

21:48:56 mircea_popescu: dudes if anyone is not reading that uppity tortilla thread.... you're missing out.

21:49:06 mircea_popescu: this is what something awful would be if they had any humor

21:49:34 kakobrekla: id pay him to come here

21:49:39 kakobrekla: so we dont need to check the forums

21:49:58 jurov: "We will also have a private forum in 48 hours max, for the delegates and people in the process."

21:50:06 jurov: we'll miss out soon :/

21:50:46 kakobrekla: yeah installing phpbb takes 48hrs max

21:51:18 mircea_popescu: jurov there's going to be leaks.

21:51:29 mircea_popescu: pigeons is probably whetting his pastebins as we speak

21:51:44 kakobrekla: is mpoe-pr on the invite list under some other handle?

21:51:49 kakobrekla: a

21:52:47 jurov: yes, likely several

21:53:31 mircea_popescu: for the record

21:53:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g189934-d199923-Reviews-Hotel_Kamp-Helsinki_Southern_Finland.html

21:53:43 mircea_popescu: 8 out of 69 in helsinki

21:53:45 mircea_popescu: premier in finland

21:54:36 mircea_popescu: 200 dollah a night, mkay.

21:54:45 mircea_popescu: this dood needs to visit dubai.

21:55:02 kakobrekla: meh budai.

21:55:13 mircea_popescu: lol

21:55:19 jurov: "I did feel I wasn't taken as seriously as those who were wearing business dress, until the receptionist saw my booking... "

21:55:37 mircea_popescu: what issues people have ;/

21:55:41 jurov: lol what will reception say to horde of bitcoiners

21:55:46 mircea_popescu: you need to be taken seriously by receptionists now ?

21:56:16 jurov: you know, equal treatment

21:56:32 mircea_popescu: First, thank you for the personal invitation. I'm flattered.

21:56:32 mircea_popescu: For all that I post here about Bitcoin, my own activities about it, and where I see it going in the future, at the moment I am still truly small potatoes. 50k minicoins - the theoretical price of one ticket if I take too long to decide - is a large portion of my total Bitcoin holdings.

21:56:34 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:56:36 mircea_popescu: poor guy.

21:56:57 kakobrekla: who is that

21:57:06 kakobrekla: and what is mini coin

21:57:40 jurov: mBTC

21:57:54 mircea_popescu: some guy he invited.

21:57:56 kakobrekla: you know fuck you and your SI prefixes, i have two shovels of coins.

21:58:02 mircea_popescu: haha

21:58:30 mircea_popescu: imo minicoin = leetc.

21:58:48 mircea_popescu: Goat sold me 700,000mBTC for 2.65M THB yesterday

21:58:49 mircea_popescu: da fuck.

21:59:04 kakobrekla: THB is like GBH but cheaper?

21:59:13 kakobrekla: GHB

22:00:06 mircea_popescu: lol i think it's thai baht

22:00:08 mircea_popescu: I have almost contracted a team of 3 bright and beautiful young women to help with the organising of the summit (+ being The Summit Secretariat during the event, if ever we reach 30 participants - which I doubt but will employ them anyway)

22:00:12 rexcrypto: are you talking about reptila's slumber party ? that man is utterly delusional

22:00:23 mircea_popescu: i have almost blown a loat in a girl's ass today.

22:00:28 mircea_popescu: except i did it yesterday.

22:00:39 mircea_popescu: rexcrypto he's funny :D

22:00:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22 BTC [-]

22:01:45 truffles: <mircea_popescu> i have almost blown a loat in a girl's ass today.>>>> so interesting

22:02:04 jurov: lol i almost googled loat... then realized it's prolly load

22:02:13 benkay: context is underrated

22:02:20 kakobrekla: ;;ud loat

22:02:20 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=loat | a large, sometimes furry creature who fears interpersonal interaction and prefers to remain secluded from society in its own world; see also HERMIT, REJECT ...

22:02:38 rexcrypto: that's reptila

22:02:50 mircea_popescu: totally.

22:02:51 kakobrekla: loat is a large, sometimes furry crature.

22:02:53 benkay: hah imagine blowing a loat into some poor lady's hiney

22:02:56 kakobrekla: creature

22:03:03 benkay: do you stick it in first and then inflate it?

22:03:05 truffles: ewwww

22:03:14 mircea_popescu: benkay you can...

22:03:38 benkay: or inflate it on the outside and make her squirm during the insertion

22:03:41 mircea_popescu: http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp167/Sumerianhunter/Me/weird-guy-with-guns.jpg

22:03:43 mircea_popescu: original loat.

22:04:18 benkay: my eyes

22:04:25 benkay: damn you my eyes!

22:04:35 truffles: didnt click

22:04:44 mircea_popescu: subquestion : why of why is his upper left thigh yellow ?

22:04:59 rexcrypto: piss

22:05:24 jurov: benkay why eyes? rather brain is hurt trying to imagine how mircea was using it

22:05:48 benkay: that's easy

22:05:52 benkay: gaping's a thing

22:05:59 benkay: there's no banana for scale in there

22:06:02 benkay: he's actually not that large

22:06:06 mircea_popescu: wanna bet that guy's a pickup artist ?

22:06:08 benkay: if there were a banana we'd be able to tell

22:06:09 truffles: buttsex doesnt need a how, but a why

22:06:17 benkay: feels good.

22:06:19 benkay: end of story.

22:06:32 benkay: also dom/sub stuff but that may escape you.

22:06:37 jurov: but butbut... he got blown? must have been a mess

22:06:43 truffles: yea not my thing

22:06:53 benkay: i love the wii guitar

22:07:00 mircea_popescu: lol is that what that is ?

22:08:13 benkay: i think so

22:08:19 benkay: i keep opening the image and closing it again

22:08:28 benkay: haha

22:08:34 benkay: not one but two wii-tars

22:08:49 benkay: or rock band

22:09:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.331 BTC [+]

22:09:03 benkay: dude would probably froth hard at the wii implications,

22:28:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00071681 = 3.6557 BTC [-]

22:28:54 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191898.0

22:29:11 kakobrekla: will this have the same 'issues' ziggap had?

22:30:28 kakobrekla: >When Crypto Street launches, we'll hold massive funds within each exchange, eliminating the need to figure out this funneling.

22:31:25 mircea_popescu: yaright,

22:31:32 mod6: lol "it rhymes with marbitrage"

22:31:35 mircea_popescu: everyone has veteran bankers, massive funds and what else

22:31:43 mircea_popescu: sex,

22:31:44 kakobrekla: it also rhymes with skateboards

22:32:31 jurov: optimystic:signed up, excited to see and use

22:47:57 rexcrypto: reptila is getting desperate: he added a new ticket type "virtual delegate", 5BTC

22:48:02 rexcrypto: no chance to impress the receptionist tough

22:48:23 rexcrypto: oh, excuse me... 5000 mBTC

22:50:20 kakobrekla: a teaspoon of btc?

22:51:24 kakobrekla: ;;calc 1 teaspoon in drops

22:51:24 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

22:52:47 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21047 BTC [-]

23:00:16 kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1200/

23:08:25 dub: gah

23:09:05 dub: I'd like to print that out on a bit of 4x2 and beat our new corp security clowns with it

23:18:52 mircea_popescu: its 2x4

23:25:32 benkay: pedant

23:25:54 jborkl: maybe i will suggest to reptelia the name ACE

23:26:10 jborkl: Ass Clown Exchange

23:26:32 benkay: IACEP

23:26:42 benkay: Insane Ass Clown Exchange Posse

23:26:44 benkay: Possee

23:26:47 benkay: Possee

23:26:52 benkay: goddamnit. posse.

23:30:44 dub: could call themselves juggleasses

23:33:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.229 BTC [+]

23:39:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.201 = 0.402 BTC [-]

23:40:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.229 BTC [+]

23:48:53 mircea_popescu: im still waiting for them to produce 30 chicks.

23:49:33 mircea_popescu: perhaps somebody should whisper in his ear that at my thing i had the guests harassed by a drunken street whore.

23:49:36 mircea_popescu: top that, tortilla!

23:49:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00071681 = 4.8743 BTC [-]

23:52:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1234 @ 0.00072819 = 0.8986 BTC [+]

23:52:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1049 @ 0.00073864 = 0.7748 BTC [+]

23:52:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36 @ 0.00073864 = 0.0266 BTC [+]

23:57:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32100003 BTC [-]