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Transcript for 30-04-2014, 1322 lines:

00:01:56 benkay: asciilifeform: what was the name of the black bitbet?

00:02:04 asciilifeform: benkay: damned if i know

00:02:14 asciilifeform: benkay: just sorta assuming it exists, somewhere in the aether.

00:03:15 BingoBoingo: If it didn't seem incredibly impending I might write a Magic Johnson to be part of new Clippers ownership group BitBet

00:04:43 jurov: just make a bet "new owner will be nigger"

00:05:33 jurov: ofc upon seeing that bet they'll put some unidentifiable race in charge

00:06:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43119 @ 0.00098126 = 42.3109 BTC [+]

00:11:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00098126 = 12.2658 BTC [+]

00:12:01 ThickAsThieves: ah bitstein is part of the misescircle.org

00:12:10 ThickAsThieves: the site writing about how altcoins must die

00:12:26 ThickAsThieves: i say that writing about how altcoins must die must die

00:15:08 benkay: altcoins are great

00:16:46 cgcardona_: altcoins are altsome!!!

00:17:22 ThickAsThieves: altmazing company!

00:17:56 cgcardona_: I've given/taken alt that I can .

00:20:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+]

00:20:45 benkay: no seriously the kids need to play with something

00:20:48 BingoBoingo: jurov: I've submitted a slightly different take http://bitbet.us/propositions/

00:21:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [+] {3}

00:21:11 benkay: anything that gets people aware of the risks and difficulty of using cryptocurrencies without risking their actual btc is great.

00:21:44 jurov: ohohohohooo BingoBoingo

00:22:20 ThickAsThieves: how does bet prove they have HIV?

00:22:34 ThickAsThieves: how does Magic prove he has it?

00:23:27 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: His is well know to have it.

00:24:51 mircea_popescu: !up PCATLMarketing

00:24:51 assbot: Voicing PCATLMarketing for 30 minutes.

00:28:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}

00:28:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00098103 = 13.293 BTC [-]

00:35:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

00:38:06 JorgePasada: Comcast needs to stop talking

00:38:11 JorgePasada: er, failing

00:38:12 JorgePasada: at talking

00:38:15 JorgePasada: to my modem

00:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00098126 = 11.5789 BTC [+]

00:53:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50285026 = 1.0057 BTC [-] {2}

00:54:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00098199 = 5.1554 BTC [+] {2}

00:55:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50291091 = 1.0058 BTC [+] {2}

00:58:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [-]

01:04:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00098103 = 14.0778 BTC [-]

01:13:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00098099 = 3.6787 BTC [-] {2}

01:21:52 thestringpuller: !jd MPIF

01:21:53 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29370635 BTC

01:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00098309 = 21.7263 BTC [+] {2}

01:27:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]

01:29:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [+]

01:33:14 Duffer1: ;;info dexX7

01:33:15 gribble: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".

01:33:24 Duffer1: ;;gpg info dexX7

01:33:24 benkay: ;;gpg info dexX7

01:33:24 gribble: User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .

01:33:26 gribble: User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .

01:33:37 benkay: ;;gpg info benkay

01:33:38 gribble: User 'benkay', with keyid 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Mar 10 04:18:03 2013, last authed on Mon Apr 28 15:15:00 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=benkay . Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e .

01:35:29 benkay: http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks

01:35:44 Duffer1: ;;gpg rate 5 shrewd, discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT

01:35:45 gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.

01:36:12 Duffer1: ;;gpg rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT

01:36:12 gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.

01:36:22 Duffer1: hmm

01:37:00 pankkake: just ;;rate

01:37:09 dexX7: thanks <3

01:37:26 Duffer1: thanks pankkake, it's been a while since i've rated anyone

01:37:32 Duffer1: ;;rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT

01:37:34 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user dexX7 has been recorded.

01:37:41 Duffer1: there we go

01:38:05 pankkake: gribble commands are confusing, some have short aliases some do not

01:38:22 pankkake: and the online documentation is wrong in some places

01:39:07 dexX7: well, then you should go ahead and correct it maybe?

01:40:28 asciilifeform: http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks << great piece. this is why two common career goals of programmers are 1) quit programming 2) find work where you program alone

01:40:29 ozbot: Programming Sucks

01:43:19 mircea_popescu: http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks%20%3C yielded a 404.

01:43:22 mircea_popescu: which was lulzy

01:43:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00463946 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2}

01:43:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04239724 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {4}

01:44:18 benkay: "ERROR: Attempted to parse HTML with regular expression; system returned Cthulhu.

01:44:21 benkay: "

01:44:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04300001 = 0.43 BTC [+]

01:44:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00097632 = 18.675 BTC [-] {2}

01:44:37 benkay: who was it that said programming is the art of telling people what to make the computer do?

01:45:50 mircea_popescu: stalin ?

01:49:55 benkay: "So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days."

01:49:58 benkay: jesus its my life

01:50:19 benkay: i traded piss tests and the risk of digit loss for pressed shitboard

01:50:30 benkay: AND CAN'T TELL IF IT WAS A GOOD DEAL

01:50:35 mircea_popescu: lol pressed shitboard lives!

01:50:45 benkay: it's a good one

01:53:18 mircea_popescu: " The only reason coders' computers work better than non-coders' computers is coders know computers are schizophrenic little children with auto-immune diseases and we don't beat them when they're bad."

01:53:42 mircea_popescu: ridiculous. i beat the shit out of my systems. i broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor once.

01:54:11 mircea_popescu: hm. but i guess this actually works, cause im not really a coder. a well.

01:54:22 asciilifeform: http://stilldrinking.org/me-and-the-nsa

01:54:22 ozbot: Me and the NSA

01:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23661 @ 0.00097479 = 23.0645 BTC [-] {2}

01:55:11 mircea_popescu: http://stilldrinking.org/img/moi.png << and yet he looks like a schmuck.

01:55:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor << soviet school of display repair! werks for me!

01:57:04 mircea_popescu: nah, the entire assemblage collapsed

01:57:26 mircea_popescu: i just pounded it into bits and had another system made.

01:57:30 asciilifeform: lol

01:58:39 mircea_popescu: "I can't even weigh in on what passes for political discourse in this country because I would actually do what the crazies are accusing Obama of doing. Seriously: I would take away everyone's guns, force public healthcare on everyone, put all the bankers in jail, engage in a strategic, federally-funded campaign to eradicate religion, turn us into a socialist state, and give every annoying country in the world forty-eig

01:58:40 mircea_popescu: ht hours to stand down their armies before I nuked them back to the Cambrian. I probably wouldn't euthanize old people, but I might force abortions on the stupid."

01:58:54 benkay: well if you had the bits, why not just recompile?

01:59:55 mircea_popescu: "Any positive or negative response on a request-by-request basis would allow our adversaries to accumulate information and draw conclusions about NSA's technical capabilities, sources, and methods."

02:00:07 mircea_popescu: heh. the adversaries have it all mapped out, but thanks.

02:00:41 asciilifeform: fellow's a crackpot, but the entertaining kind.

02:03:24 mircea_popescu: basically a less-annoying-than-usual applciation of cracked.com

02:03:39 mircea_popescu: (hyperbola and word salad is the cracked.com recipe)

02:05:56 asciilifeform: so far, reading these has taught me that 'hipster' is something approaching an ethnic group

02:07:44 asciilifeform: literally.

02:08:08 asciilifeform: as in, how you can tell that a fellow's a russian even if he lives in new york, never once mentions russia, writes in 'the king's english', etc.

02:08:21 mircea_popescu: well ima go count some sheep.

02:08:35 asciilifeform: don't overflow register.

02:26:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00097388 = 29.8007 BTC [-] {2}

02:39:25 benkay: !up Sorcier_FXK

02:39:25 assbot: Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.

02:39:43 benkay: welcome, Sorcier_FXK - what brings you to this vile armpit of the internet?

02:40:08 benkay: ;;gettrust Sorcier_FXK

02:40:08 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Sorcier_FXK: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Sorcier_FXK | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Sorcier_FXK | Rated since: Mon Apr 7 17:15:49 2014

02:40:24 benkay: davout: who is this Sorcier_FXK ?

02:44:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00097584 = 20.6878 BTC [+] {2}

02:57:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00098163 = 19.6326 BTC [+]

02:59:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12369 @ 0.00097397 = 12.047 BTC [-] {2}

03:00:17 TestingUnoDosTre: danielpbarron I can not offer commentary on trustworthiness of dignork. He helped me sign up a gpg key on my tablet while I was traveling for work. I have never done any business with him

03:05:59 decimation: ascii: http://www.ussubmarines.com/submarines/seattle_1000.php3 a Diesel-electric sub for a few $10m

03:09:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7131 @ 0.00097337 = 6.9411 BTC [-]

03:09:59 decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals vs. corporations: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a274ed18-760a-42ed-b7be-b17bb0f63d54

03:10:01 decimation: One of the best ways for a violator to demonstrate that its violation was not willful is to self-disclose it. Indeed, in recognition of this fact and in order to encourage self-disclosures of systemic problems, the Department of Justice has followed a policy of foregoing prosecutions of companies that make complete, and self-initiated voluntary disclosures.1 (The same policy does not apply to individuals.)

03:17:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}

03:19:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}

03:20:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03392391 = 0.1696 BTC [-] {4}

03:21:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339999 = 0.17 BTC [+] {5}

03:23:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}

03:24:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}

03:24:22 danielpbarron: TestingUnoDosTre: thanks

03:25:05 TestingUnoDosTre: de nada

03:25:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}

03:25:36 TestingUnoDosTre: is it possible to check w/ nickserv if someone has taken a nickname?

03:26:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0339999 = 0.204 BTC [+] {6}

03:27:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03414225 = 0.239 BTC [+] {7}

03:28:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449778 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}

03:28:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00098054 = 7.9424 BTC [+]

03:34:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00098163 = 11.1278 BTC [+]

03:35:12 TestingUnoDosTre: weak

03:38:47 decimation: I think the best feature of an undersea journey across the ocean would be the forced disconnection from the world. Seymour Cray said he got his best ideas digging a tunnel under his backyard.

03:39:28 TestingUnoDosTre: that's where all the fastest internet connections are... under da sea

03:40:40 decimation: http://www.businessweek.com/1989-94/pre88/b31571.htm Cray's parents nurtured his sharp, voracious mind. His father stocked a basement laboratory with chemistry sets and radio gear and permitted young Seymour to tinker into the wee hours.

03:41:32 decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI

03:41:39 TestingUnoDosTre: isn't chemistry one of the most dangerous activities for kids>

03:41:56 decimation: yeah, so is life

03:42:14 TestingUnoDosTre: great point...

03:43:27 decimation: Later, Norris recalls, he asked Cray to write a five-year plan for CDC. The result: ''Five year goal: Build the biggest computer in the world. One year goal: Achieve one-fifth of the above.''

03:45:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00098246 = 12.9193 BTC [+] {3}

03:57:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00098463 = 13.5879 BTC [+]

04:08:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51813216 BTC [+]

04:20:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15991 @ 0.00098054 = 15.6798 BTC [-]

04:23:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9709 @ 0.00098054 = 9.5201 BTC [-]

04:24:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03436705 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {4}

04:25:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}

04:26:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0344965 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {3}

04:27:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03449503 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3}

04:28:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03449471 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {5}

04:29:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04300001 = 0.989 BTC [+] {5}

04:29:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0013 = 0.117 BTC [+]

04:30:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.04300001 = 1.892 BTC [+] {4}

04:31:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0344942 = 0.207 BTC [-] {6}

04:32:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449955 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}

04:32:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349875 = 0.1305 BTC [+]

04:33:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449862 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4}

04:34:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03475 = 0.2085 BTC [+] {6}

04:35:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349876 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}

04:36:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349886 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}

04:37:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23797 @ 0.00098163 = 23.3598 BTC [+] {2}

04:44:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00097883 = 4.992 BTC [-] {2}

04:45:41 mike_c: a worthy read. many lulz at the expense of the sec.

04:45:43 mike_c: http://blogmaverick.com/2014/01/21/my-first-sec-trial-transcript-has-some-real-comedy-and-a-message-to-mary-jo-white-sec-vs-schvacho/

04:45:45 ozbot: My First SEC Trial Transcript Has Some Real Comedy and a Message to Mary Jo White – SEC vs Schvach

04:55:47 cazalla: TestingUnoDosTre: you can always /msg nickserv info namehere

04:56:19 TestingUnoDosTre: gracias - found out I have to become more creative

05:00:34 TestingUnoDosTre: .d

05:00:35 ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1971 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.6710% in 11d 9h 41m 48s

05:07:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49222333 = 4.43 BTC [-] {7}

05:10:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49000001 = 0.98 BTC [-]

05:14:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0400001 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}

05:15:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0009777 = 14.1278 BTC [-] {2}

05:34:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC

05:35:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 670 @ 0.00090614 = 0.6071 BTC [+] {4}

05:50:07 ThickAsThieves: flight to amsterdam is booked!

06:08:11 cazalla: http://www.rba.gov.au/foi/disclosure-log/pdf/131419.pdf old document but released today, brief mention of MPEx page 9

06:13:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16822 @ 0.00098212 = 16.5212 BTC [+]

06:24:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00098212 = 18.6603 BTC [+]

06:31:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00098212 = 8.5444 BTC [+]

06:35:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06768448 = 0.1354 BTC [-] {2}

06:48:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00098008 = 1.8622 BTC [-]

06:59:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00098224 = 23.1318 BTC [+] {2}

07:02:41 Naphex: morning

07:19:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5875 @ 0.00098229 = 5.771 BTC [+]

07:30:45 Naphex: morning

07:34:31 fluffypony: Naphex: morning

07:34:54 Naphex: morning, fluff`, did you check out my working example for addresses? complete with dnssec, and server pubkey?

07:37:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1624 BTC [-]

07:38:42 fluffypony: I saw it in the log but got busy

07:38:51 fluffypony: I'll track back and look at it this morning when I get a mo :)

07:47:59 HeySteve: morning

07:48:53 HeySteve: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/29/litecoin_hardware_spells_the_end_for_graphics_card_mining/

07:52:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00098236 = 8.8412 BTC [+] {2}

08:04:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098008 = 4.9494 BTC [-]

08:13:04 fluffypony: ;;later tell dexX7 thanks for giving me morning readings :)

08:13:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:14:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00098266 = 9.6792 BTC [+] {3}

08:21:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00097887 = 16.2492 BTC [-] {2}

08:29:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50885144 = 2.5443 BTC [+] {4}

08:30:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

09:03:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19675 @ 0.00098296 = 19.3397 BTC [+]

09:28:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07094347 = 2.483 BTC [+] {7}

09:59:15 mircea_popescu: decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals << dude you srsly typed that out ?!

10:00:30 mircea_popescu: decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI << i had a chemistry lab. complete with strong acids and everything, i had like a pint of vitriol oil.

10:04:42 mircea_popescu: holy shit there's 1mn pdf to html/etc converters online, NONE of them will take an url as input

10:05:00 mircea_popescu: why is the web made by imbeciles! srsly, how hard is to think this one through guys!

10:05:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla mind quoting the brief mention ?

10:06:15 cazalla: mircea_popescu: 32 As an aside, there are options contracts for delivery of bitcoins and bitcoin - denomina ted commodity futures being sold at the MPEx Exchange . Recent news reports suggest that the Commodity and Futures Tr ading Commission in the US is evaluating its role in derivatives contracts that are denominated in bitcoins.

10:06:19 mircea_popescu: "My understanding of insider trading law is that in order for it to be insider trading, there must be some violation of trust. In other words, if someone walked up to you and said ?Im the CEO of this public company and I?m about to make the biggest cash sale in the history of the company and we will blow away all wall street numbers and you should buy the stock?. That is without question material, non-public info

10:06:19 mircea_popescu: rmation. But if you trade on the information, is it insider trading ? The answer as best I understand the law is NO. It is not insider trading. Why ? Because the CEO did not ask you to keep the information confidential. Nor did he ask you not to trade on the information. You have no responsibility to him. You can trade and tell the world about his deal if you would like."

10:06:25 mircea_popescu: the cuban quote is quite inaccurate, if very self serving

10:06:38 mircea_popescu: cazalla ah ty.

10:08:36 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ghostscript can do pdf to html via via, here's a python3 snippet for it: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/36700759050/converting-pdf-to-html

10:08:51 mircea_popescu: ty but im not running it.

10:09:15 mircea_popescu: someone should make a website that works just like google translate,

10:09:26 mircea_popescu: except it takes in pdf and spits out actual text.

10:09:28 fluffypony: if you want I'll setup a little service to do it for you, we're running ghostscript on the one server for PDF invoices

10:09:34 mircea_popescu: call it the deadobinator.

10:09:45 mircea_popescu: fluffypony set it for the world, it's a good utility.

10:10:34 mircea_popescu: "you don't need to interact with pdfs anymore, just prefix all pdf download links with http://fluffypony.com/fuckadobe/"

10:11:07 fluffypony: lol

10:11:23 fluffypony: lemme play with this little python snippet and see what I can do

10:12:31 mircea_popescu: no rush.

10:13:07 fluffypony: oh wikipedia, u so meta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists

10:13:35 mircea_popescu: nowai.

10:15:19 punkman: mircea_popescu: there's scribd, but it kinda sucks http://www.scribd.com/vacuum?url=

10:15:32 mircea_popescu: yeah not rly an improvement

10:23:52 punkman: I'll try their API, had it on some todo list a while ago

10:24:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26978 @ 0.00098323 = 26.5256 BTC [+] {3}

10:24:03 punkman: meanwhile, namecheap answers: "Unfortunately, technical department informed us that you should use only static IPs wih API. Once the IP is changed automatically the API will fail."

10:33:15 mircea_popescu: kik

10:34:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20405 @ 0.00098188 = 20.0353 BTC [-]

10:51:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07079999 = 0.6372 BTC [-]

11:02:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00097997 = 25.0382 BTC [-] {4}

11:09:52 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://fraudsters.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/ :)

11:09:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:19:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25875 @ 0.00098479 = 25.4814 BTC [+] {2}

11:25:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 290 @ 0.0013 = 0.377 BTC [+]

11:48:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00097778 = 11.1956 BTC [-] {2}

11:49:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC

11:50:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11137 @ 0.00098012 = 10.9156 BTC [+]

11:55:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00098255 = 14.4435 BTC [+] {2}

12:24:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00097495 = 25.9863 BTC [-] {2}

12:26:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0711 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}

12:54:22 fluffypony: ;;later tell asciilifeform thought you'd enjoy your views on Lisp being confirmed by the South African netsec community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WAEfFWvp

12:54:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:55:51 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, you know Stalker ?

12:55:57 Apocalyptic: I mean THE Stalker ?

12:56:16 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: no clue if that's his nick here, I'd assume so

12:56:29 Apocalyptic: where did this convo take place ?

12:56:41 fluffypony: #zacon on Atrum

12:58:20 Apocalyptic: can you ask him if he's the HZV Stalker ?

12:58:41 fluffypony: k

12:59:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00098149 = 11.6797 BTC [+]

13:03:53 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: not him

13:06:20 Naphex: the syntax in lisp is just brilliant

13:06:32 Naphex: so easy to understand, and see what's going on ;]

13:06:53 Naphex: makes coding look like abstract art

13:08:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00097423 = 35.9491 BTC [-] {2}

13:08:55 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, ok, thanks

13:09:06 Naphex: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/lisp.jpg

13:13:49 fluffypony: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/silk-road-prosecutor-contradicts-irs.html?m=1

13:13:50 ozbot: Activist Post: Silk Road Prosecutor Says IRS is Wrong, Bitcoin is Money

13:14:25 fluffypony: so basically: "Bitcoin is money. Or property. Or a medium of exchange. Or a store of value. Or gold. Dependent on whether we want to prosecute or tax you or both."

13:21:20 ThickAsThieves: seems they are trying to solve the wrong problem\

13:21:31 Apocalyptic: ^

13:21:38 ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole

13:21:46 ThickAsThieves: just give it its own category

13:23:54 ThickAsThieves: hell they dont even have to do that, maybe just go ahead and let it be multiple things in law

13:24:02 ThickAsThieves: is bitcoin money? yes

13:24:08 ThickAsThieves: is it property? yes

13:24:11 ThickAsThieves: etc

13:46:47 ThickAsThieves: !up random_cat_

13:46:47 assbot: Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.

13:49:04 random_cat_: ty; sometime soon semi-auto authenticate will re-occur

13:49:38 random_cat_: the query was: isn't money [just] a special form of property?

13:49:48 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole << i've said this for years. but now i'm starting to understand people are so stupid they don't realize they are stupid

13:50:05 ThickAsThieves: "A unique category of property is money, which in some legal systems is treated as tangible property and in others as intangible property."

13:52:42 ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pando.com/2014/04/29/skillbridge-is-racing-to-become-the-freelance-consultants-marketplace/ in regards to having a "bitcoin freelance.com" how might that differ from freelance.com and the like simply accepting bitcoin? to ONLY accept bitcoin?

13:52:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:52:53 ThickAsThieves: ;;later

13:52:54 gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.

13:53:30 thestringpuller: ~_~

13:55:45 ThickAsThieves: ;;halfreward

13:55:46 gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Aug 21 14:55:32 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, and 0 seconds.

13:56:17 ThickAsThieves: ;;interval

13:56:18 gribble: 526.829268292683

13:56:30 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.20

13:56:30 fluffypony: lawl

13:56:31 ozbot: [XCP] Adeally IPO Monday April 28

13:56:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07225812 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {5}

13:56:41 random_cat_: too bad halfreward does not mention the block number

13:56:43 ThickAsThieves: ;;totalbtc

13:56:43 gribble: Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.

13:56:43 fluffypony: SEC filing was incorrect

13:56:49 ThickAsThieves: ;;totalbc

13:56:50 gribble: 12711475.0

13:56:51 fluffypony: "Just be happy that nobody has mentioned the Whistleblower program, which provides a 10-30% bounty on SEC enforcement actions that result from tips on possible SEC violations. With all of the faucet mongers on this forum, I imagine at least one or two of them would spend a few minutes on the SEC website for a payday down the road."

13:57:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30543 @ 0.00097653 = 29.8262 BTC [+] {2}

13:59:28 ThickAsThieves: interesting that they filed at all

14:00:00 ThickAsThieves: (i assume someone verified they did?)

14:00:32 ThickAsThieves: ;;obip 1000

14:00:33 gribble: Bitstamp | The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 446.28772 USD. | Data vintage: 0.1078 seconds

14:00:48 ThickAsThieves: interesting

14:00:54 ThickAsThieves: thats like excactly the price

14:01:30 ThickAsThieves: ;;baratio

14:01:30 gribble: Bitstamp | Total bids: 9884457 USD. Total asks: 23180 BTC. Ratio: 426.41103 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 58.1081 seconds

14:05:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5546 @ 0.00097551 = 5.4102 BTC [-]

14:06:56 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: they provided a snurl'd link to the SEC filing in the OP

14:07:10 ThickAsThieves: word

14:07:22 ThickAsThieves: http://pando.com/2014/04/29/with-all-that-cash-why-is-apple-borrowing-to-raise-its-dividend-and-buybacks/ this is interesting

14:07:23 ozbot: With all that cash, why is Apple borrowing to raise its dividend and buybacks? | PandoDaily

14:08:01 bounce: because the cash isn't really cash and stuck across borders and more of that bs?

14:08:44 ThickAsThieves: sorta

14:08:55 ThickAsThieves: in order to keep the money overseas to avoid tax

14:08:59 ThickAsThieves: they borrow money here

14:09:18 ThickAsThieves: through the bond offering

14:10:03 ThickAsThieves: they buyback their own stock

14:10:25 ThickAsThieves: it's fucked up and elegant

14:14:03 ThickAsThieves: KnCMiner Joins Bitcoin Foundation at Platinum Level

14:15:41 random_cat_: CoB < E[RoE] ?

14:18:29 ThickAsThieves: !up princessnell_

14:18:29 assbot: Voicing princessnell_ for 30 minutes.

14:18:38 princessnell_: thanks

14:18:46 ThickAsThieves: np

14:19:07 ThickAsThieves: if you need help getting auth'd and all that jazz, people in here can help

14:19:27 ThickAsThieves: same for you random_cat_

14:23:54 ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell fluffypony see look, you do have (software) competition! http://bitcoinmagazine.com/12660/coinmyne/

14:23:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:25:51 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yep I know, but hey - competition is good for the soul;)

14:27:11 ThickAsThieves: well it at least means the vertical might actually exist

14:27:13 ThickAsThieves: ;)

14:28:14 fluffypony: it definitely does

14:30:06 fluffypony: and there's a lot more to mining than cgminer

14:39:52 thestringpuller: https://hashop.io/calc/16

14:40:06 thestringpuller: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com https://hashop.io/calc/16

14:40:07 gribble: NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013

14:40:43 thestringpuller: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "hashop.io"

14:40:44 gribble: NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013

14:40:56 thestringpuller: ~_~

14:42:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0340011 = 0.34 BTC [-]

14:43:00 mike_c: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like that article. i am a fan of cuban, he's good people.

14:43:23 mike_c: good writeup. a bit harsh on mark, but he can take it.

14:45:38 thestringpuller: mike_c: is this in fraudsters?

14:45:43 mike_c: yes

14:45:59 thestringpuller: new article?

14:46:12 mike_c: yes, would you like me to read it to you out loud? :)

14:47:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:47:52 thestringpuller: yes please. will you read it to me tonight before I go to bed

14:47:52 *: mike_c needs more coffee

14:47:56 thestringpuller: like a bed time story?!?!?

14:48:08 thestringpuller: why was I here again...

14:48:09 thestringpuller: oh yea

14:48:11 mike_c: absolutely. just send me 1 fraudsters credit.

14:48:15 thestringpuller: !jd MPIF

14:48:16 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.36083449 BTC

14:48:21 thestringpuller: WHOA

14:48:28 thestringpuller: HOL UP HOL UP

14:48:43 thestringpuller: ;;google ( .36 / 50 )

14:48:44 gribble: Source Four® EDLT 19˚, 26˚, 36˚, & 50˚ ETC®: http://www.etcconnect.com/docs/docs_downloads/datashts/7060L1042_S4_EDLT_Spec_Sht_vC.pdf; Source Four® jr 36° ETC®: http://www.etcconnect.com/DOCS/DOCS_DOWNLOADS/DATASHTS/7062L1008_SOURCE_FOUR_JR_36_SPEC_SHT_VE.PDF; Control Escon Page: http://escon.maxonmotor.com/

14:48:52 thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.36 / 50 )

14:48:53 gribble: 0.0072

14:49:13 thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.0072 * 6

14:49:13 gribble: 0.0432

14:50:07 thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.0072 * 5

14:50:07 gribble: 0.036

14:50:48 mike_c: if you're curious, here's historical monthly JD ROI: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/

14:52:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0404999 = 0.405 BTC [+]

14:53:10 thestringpuller: nice

14:53:12 thestringpuller: thx

14:54:09 mike_c: this month was 4.4%

15:00:21 kakobrekla: are you gonna do cumulative charts too ?

15:01:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0405 = 0.405 BTC [+]

15:03:38 mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there

15:03:57 kakobrekla: yea i just figured that out

15:04:43 mike_c: cumulative ROI from inception, it can be hard to tease out useful info. idk.

15:05:20 mike_c: aw, sheesh. fricking widget is busted. who coded this crap?

15:06:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0009764 = 8.2018 BTC [+]

15:09:11 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: what do you think about Curren$y?

15:09:37 mike_c: ok, widget is fixed.

15:10:59 mike_c: so, last night i was on bitbet and was thinking that it would be cool to have a dynamic banner ad that promoted bitbets. aspiring affiliates could use it to make big moolah.

15:11:24 mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism)

15:11:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00097574 = 13.1725 BTC [-] {2}

15:11:56 benkay: neat, mike

15:11:56 kakobrekla: this is neat

15:12:00 kakobrekla: first!!

15:12:07 *: kakobrekla checks the log

15:12:18 kakobrekla: fuck.

15:14:42 mike_c: proof of concept is slow & unstable (pings BB in background), but wouldn't be hard to make it solid.

15:19:12 kakobrekla: you could do like ?id=1,2,3 to feed it the pool from which to select the displayed text ?

15:19:37 kakobrekla: let it ping bb who cares

15:20:01 kakobrekla: its not like im gonna run out bandwidth like ukyo does

15:20:09 mike_c: yeah, that would work. the default should be to grab from open bets (which it doesn't check right now).

15:20:27 mike_c: well, i'm thinking BB might get mad at my server and rate limit it.

15:20:35 bounce: *iwilcox* [...] these guys should be in #bitcoin-otc-uk this evening: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0 [...] -- post from the 24th, claiming "We have developed a NASDAQ style exchange platform" and bitcoin/GBP for starters; logs then show a post 110 higer claiming to be "the only true UK bitcoin exchange".

15:20:46 kakobrekla: prolly not mike_c

15:21:07 mike_c: but i have like, crazy traffic! BB might get swamped :D

15:21:50 kakobrekla: hehe

15:22:05 kakobrekla: on a side point , the site is quite lightweight

15:22:10 mike_c: but i'm thinking i'll whip up an includable .js that writes out the image and a supplied affiliate id. then affiliates can use it in their advertising.

15:22:24 kakobrekla: so it should handle some beating.

15:22:49 mike_c: static pages are nice that way.

15:23:37 bounce: re apple borrowing to pay dividents, they've been doing that for a while. though, thinking about it... are those off-shore profits still tax deductible when gifted to charities?

15:23:43 kakobrekla: fyi, when you scroll in /browse/, theres a delay added intentionally on loading new data, because without it, it was too fast and didnt look good.

15:24:02 mike_c: heh. nice.

15:25:20 ThickAsThieves: bounce, my guess is that they may not necessarily be donating that offshore money, but that they have less need to spend it there in the short term than they have need to spend money in the US. Sorta like theyve diverted more assets overseas than they need, but no so badly that theyre willing to eat the tax hit to bring it back.

15:25:54 ThickAsThieves: even more likely, they are biding their time for a tax holiday or special workaround yet to exist

15:27:01 bounce: I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money

15:30:19 kakobrekla: i just checked, 50ms delay, but you notice it.

15:32:17 ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money --- well, they can't bring it back without paying their due. i suppose they could donate within the host country though. I really don't know the facts.

15:34:29 fluffypony: bounce: wow, there are so many "One True UK Bitcoin Exchanges" right now

15:34:30 fluffypony: we should start one

15:34:42 fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one

15:34:49 bounce: oh yes, why not. entirely run by non-residents. there's a novel idea.

15:35:06 fluffypony: come now

15:35:08 bounce: there's?

15:35:17 fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader"

15:35:25 fluffypony: need we say anything more?

15:35:30 bounce: whosat?

15:35:31 fluffypony: he leads thoughts.

15:35:52 fluffypony: Global Coin FX

15:36:10 fluffypony: the Seedcoin II funded *true* UK exchange

15:38:15 fluffypony: bounce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0 <- another *true* UK exchange

15:38:18 bounce: searching for that guy's name brings up this: http://www.athcon.org/about.php

15:38:32 bounce: yeah that's the +110

15:39:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]

15:39:15 fluffypony: this UK exchange thing is becoming a living, breathing No True Scotsman fallacy

15:39:52 fluffypony: "Christian works as a Senior Application Security Architect for a large Investment Bank based in London"

15:40:10 fluffypony: I see

15:40:10 fluffypony: so that's how you become a thought leader

15:40:10 *: fluffypony makes a note

15:41:12 bounce: my experiences with uk recruiters is... not good. "not enough unix" when there's six flavours on the old cv, that sort of stuff.

15:43:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700013 = 0.14 BTC [-]

15:49:22 fluffypony: bounce: they sound special

15:52:34 fluffypony: !up the20year

15:52:34 assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.

15:52:36 fluffypony: !up mrstickball

15:52:36 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

15:54:34 mrstickball: thanks

15:54:37 the20year: yay

15:55:04 the20year: I would have thought mrstickball would have had a high enough rating for auto voice

15:55:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC

15:57:03 benkay: it's not quantity but quality

15:57:07 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball

15:57:07 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpkoyrxcbdyijtjn. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

15:57:16 fluffypony: the20year: it's not about a "high" rating

15:57:29 fluffypony: the20year: you have to be in assbot's l1 or l2 to up yourself

15:57:32 benkay: uh but it seems mrstickball could up himself.

15:57:35 mrstickball: I assumed I had L2 with assbot

15:57:48 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot the20year

15:57:49 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014

15:57:59 ThickAsThieves: !down the the20year

15:58:06 ThickAsThieves: !down the20year

15:58:11 ThickAsThieves: do it right plz!

15:59:23 benkay: the man can't self-up, ThickAsThieves.

15:59:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0381001 = 0.381 BTC [-]

15:59:43 ThickAsThieves: well tell me this

15:59:56 ThickAsThieves: what's the point of +m if someone just gets voiced every day by someone else?

16:00:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share

16:00:35 benkay: the point is that those who can voice do so if they feel moved by the spirit

16:00:56 ThickAsThieves: well feel free to re-up i guess i made my point

16:01:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00097897 = 10.3771 BTC [+]

16:01:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38507092 BTC to 7`589 shares, 31428 satoshi per share

16:01:47 BingoBoingo: !up the20year

16:01:47 assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.

16:02:20 BingoBoingo: the20year: for srs has no one trust in you?

16:02:28 the20year: Not here at least it seems

16:02:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00097815 = 6.4558 BTC [-]

16:02:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 42.37371273 BTC to 7`589 shares, 558357 satoshi per share

16:02:46 the20year: You'd think i'd be able to drum up more people considering i've been given along the lines of 1k btc

16:03:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03800456 = 0.9121 BTC [-] {3}

16:04:11 mrstickball: the problem is that he never bothered with core/OTC until recently

16:04:30 the20year: Correct

16:04:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03964468 = 0.7929 BTC [+] {3}

16:04:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07364998 = 0.1473 BTC [+]

16:04:42 BingoBoingo: the20year: Well I'm averse to trusting you because of that thing where you consider Ohio viable enough to make it a core part of your schtick

16:04:45 the20year: So I've been working on ratings for 2 days, granted mrstickball i don't think still have enough trust after a year to voice himself

16:04:56 the20year: You live in Ohio?

16:05:33 fluffypony: the20year: you can get enough trust to voice yourself the day you join

16:05:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 99 @ 0.03302152 = 3.2691 BTC [-] {6}

16:05:42 fluffypony: it's not about historical ratings

16:05:43 benkay: I'm averse to trusting the20year due to that whole 'suspend trading and sell stock at a fixed price' thing, BingoBoingo .

16:05:46 fluffypony: or cumulative ratings

16:06:12 BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe that is a part of it? Maybe it isn't.

16:06:12 the20year: fluffypony: how?

16:06:30 mrstickball: benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does

16:06:32 BingoBoingo: the20year: I thought I made my position on Ohio well known in the past.

16:06:32 fluffypony: the20year: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=POS&type=SENT

16:06:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.036 = 0.864 BTC [-]

16:06:44 the20year: And your source of data boingo?

16:06:46 fluffypony: the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people

16:06:58 fluffypony: once rated you'll be in assbot's L2

16:07:15 ThickAsThieves: <+mrstickball> benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does <<< only of the20year allows it

16:07:35 the20year: with suspending shares for 2nd phase? I'm not aware of any option they have outside of it

16:07:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.036 = 0.972 BTC [-] {2}

16:07:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07385419 = 3.1757 BTC [+] {7}

16:07:44 benkay: yeah, this "havelock's the problem here!" whine carries absolutely no water.

16:07:49 mike_c: <+fluffypony> the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people << if they give ratings for trading peanuts OTC

16:07:49 ThickAsThieves: why are you calling it second phase?

16:07:56 ThickAsThieves: isnt this your 3rd or 4th offering?

16:07:56 benkay: sell at the market price. that's the honest thing to do.

16:07:57 the20year: Isn't that what it is?

16:08:16 the20year: Our stock is based on USD, and that was the price of USD:BTC at the time of re-issuing

16:08:24 benkay: stop.

16:08:24 fluffypony: mike_c: sure, doesn't have to be peanuts tho - 1 BTC isn't a bad trade OTC

16:08:44 BingoBoingo: the20year: That part where that river lit on fire in your state. The General shittiness of THE Ohio State University needing to emphasize the "THE", there are others

16:08:46 benkay: it doesn't matter. you don't get to set a price for your freely traded paper.

16:09:02 the20year: BingoBoingo: and those are economic factors because?

16:09:17 the20year: If there's no demand for said paper, then there's no demand

16:09:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0072648 = 0.138 BTC [-]

16:09:44 ThickAsThieves: !t h rent

16:09:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00726480 / 0.00747862 / 0.00750000 (209 shares, 1.56303120 BTC), 7D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749755 / 0.00750000 (1822 shares, 13.66053120 BTC), 30D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749981 / 0.00750000 (23119 shares, 173.38803120 BTC)

16:09:47 mrstickball: BingoBoingo: so you're judging someone based on a university they are not affiliated with?

16:09:57 BingoBoingo: the20year: Because maybe Ohio might decide to make the rivers flamable again? Maybe the whole state collapses into Earth's mantle after a football loss.

16:10:08 benkay: yeah, you found some suckers. doesn't make what they're doing investing, doesn't make what you're doing not insane.

16:10:19 BingoBoingo: mrstickball: No. I am judging their land tied rental business based on its location.

16:10:21 the20year: And our fund isn't an investment because?

16:10:35 the20year: Based on pollution problems from the 1960s and a college in the state

16:10:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.06474168 = 2.5897 BTC [-]

16:10:56 the20year: Makes total sense

16:11:08 BingoBoingo: Also, Brandon Phillips

16:11:29 benkay: the20year: it's a reference to the difference between what happens on havelock and what investing actually is. reading comprehension ftw.

16:11:41 BingoBoingo: And the movie Major League didn't exactly paint a flattering portrait of the state

16:11:49 the20year: A movie?

16:15:56 BingoBoingo: There are lots of reasons to doubt Ohio is going to last the next decade, much less the next century before it collapses into a North American Somalia.

16:18:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53593 @ 0.00098025 = 52.5345 BTC [+] {3}

16:19:19 mrstickball: yeah, so that means everyone from Ohio is an idiot, and you should never do business with them, eh?

16:19:37 bitcoinpete: gotta jet but ima leave this here:

16:19:48 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/30/a-billion-doesnt-buy-respect/

16:19:49 ozbot: A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete

16:19:57 bitcoinpete: as per nba clippers dude

16:20:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

16:21:07 the20year: is there a way to get a multi-day log from bitcoin-assets?

16:21:42 BingoBoingo: mrstickball: When you have a venture tied to physical land, generally the idiots surrounding it affect the desirability of that land.

16:22:06 mrstickball: I see, nice to know that you feel that way about 10 million people

16:22:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03399999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2}

16:23:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00098335 = 22.6731 BTC [+]

16:24:01 BingoBoingo: !up mrstickball

16:24:01 assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

16:24:41 BingoBoingo: a fundamental right of persons is to dislike things, whether the things are chocolate, puppies, or locations

16:24:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]

16:24:59 BingoBoingo: Or other persons

16:25:34 mrstickball: Sure, its a right. Doesn't make the view correct

16:26:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03282499 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {5}

16:26:06 the20year: It's like that lady I was talking to on facebook last night who said gasonline prices are lower on average under Obama than the past administrations

16:26:59 ThickAsThieves: sounds like a horrible conversation

16:27:18 the20year: I'm pretty sure i lost IQ

16:27:31 the20year: I even dug up the EIA weekly gasoline price report going back to 1990

16:27:33 BingoBoingo: mrstickball: It's a judgment. Time reveals correctness. I judge Ohio to dangerous to have anything tied to its land.

16:28:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]

16:28:03 mrstickball: so you believe in 10 years, Ohio will be like Somalia? Willing to bet BTC on that?

16:28:11 the20year: oooh, let's get a bitbet going

16:28:14 benkay: the20year: wouldja share that EIA data?

16:28:16 the20year: I'll put up 2btc

16:28:22 benkay: bitbet only goes out 12 mos.

16:28:59 the20year: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/xls/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.xls

16:29:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2}

16:29:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0062041 = 0.6204 BTC [-] {4}

16:29:48 benkay: of course it's not really 'gasoline' any more. 'corn oil', and subsidized at that.

16:30:11 the20year: Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal

16:31:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 100 @ 0.14 = 14 BTC

16:32:43 BingoBoingo: benkay: Worse than that. Corn Alcohol rendered undrinkable. That and it doesn't lubricate engine parts.

16:32:59 benkay: right. corn alcohol, not oil.

16:33:40 kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VFopiRaXwQ

16:33:40 ozbot: Dark Wallet Alpha - YouTube

16:33:42 kakobrekla: lmao.

16:34:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02820001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2}

16:34:19 BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5102455&cid=46879871

16:34:20 ozbot: Bloomberg's Trading Terminals Now Providing Bitcoin Pricing - Slashdot

16:35:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02820001 = 0.141 BTC [-]

16:35:47 punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014"

16:36:01 Apocalyptic: kako, gotta love the Amir

16:36:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02820001 = 0.282 BTC [-]

16:36:35 kakobrekla: video from http://www.wired.com/2014/04/dark-wallet/

16:37:27 ThickAsThieves: gawd...

16:38:09 Apocalyptic: punkman, not sure if serious or...

16:39:19 kakobrekla: punkman you got that from here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COisLGwnb-M

16:40:39 punkman: kakobrekla: http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1017866/darkmarket-the-silk-road-successor-police-cant-shut-down/

16:41:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC

16:42:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03077777 = 0.277 BTC [+] {3}

16:43:01 thestringpuller: Dark Wallet was conceived last summer by Wilson and Amir Taaki. << immediately stopped reading when I saw Taaki's name

16:43:05 thestringpuller: for fucks sake

16:43:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.03180768 = 0.4135 BTC [+] {6}

16:44:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031 = 0.217 BTC [-] {4}

16:47:51 jurov: for conception's sake

16:48:08 punkman: Amit Avner, The veteran of Israeli Defense Force's elite intelligence and programming unit is a coding prodigy who started a search engine at age 14. does advertising to put brands in real-time social conversations for major brands like American Express, Paramount Studios, Pepsi and Samsung.

16:48:24 punkman: this Forbes list has a lot of derp

16:49:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]

16:53:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 53 @ 0.06474168 = 3.4313 BTC [-]

16:54:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00097815 = 1.6629 BTC [-]

16:57:30 jurov: !up mjr_

16:57:30 assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.

16:57:37 jurov: !up mius

16:57:37 assbot: Voicing mius for 30 minutes.

16:57:55 jurov: !up Dimsler

16:57:55 assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.

16:58:29 Dimsler: yeah i left my btc wallet back home

16:58:33 Dimsler: no gribble auth for me

17:16:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

17:17:48 Naphex: evening

17:18:25 asciilifeform: from the circus:

17:18:27 asciilifeform: http://chr13.com/2014/04/20/using-facebook-notes-to-ddos-any-website

17:18:28 ozbot: Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog

17:21:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 162 @ 0.001 = 0.162 BTC

17:21:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC

17:24:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50454994 = 1.0091 BTC [-] {2}

17:29:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00097757 = 14.5658 BTC [-]

17:30:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00459 = 0.1652 BTC [-]

17:32:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 17 @ 0.006017 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {2}

17:32:46 ThickAsThieves: http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/

17:32:48 ozbot: Amsterdam, Bitcoin Conferences, Quantum Mining and the Future

17:32:48 mike_c: ^ open market seems to disagree with 3po price

17:33:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50499989 = 1.01 BTC [+]

17:34:02 mike_c: 9 paragraphs, 11 footnotes :) you guys.

17:34:39 ThickAsThieves: just waiting for your footnote article!

17:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097705 = 8.6957 BTC [-]

17:37:38 mike_c: tat you should live-ish blog, that would be interesting. and then you can capture some of those interesting conversations before they grow fuzzy in recollection.

17:37:42 fluffypony: http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com/post/70257636397/im-crying-literally-crying-actual-tears-in-my

17:37:43 ozbot: PHP Manual Masterpieces

17:42:34 ThickAsThieves: i just might

17:44:35 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Statements should be in your mailbox

17:44:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:45:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6906 @ 0.00012322 = 0.851 BTC [+] {11}

17:47:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 831 @ 0.00012729 = 0.1058 BTC [+]

17:49:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00097705 = 31.6564 BTC [-]

17:51:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.02883412 = 1.1822 BTC [-] {15}

17:52:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07477643 = 1.1964 BTC [+] {5}

17:53:02 bounce: where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable though requires something of a revamp, so probably yet another altcoin

17:55:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 644 @ 0.00451278 = 2.9062 BTC [-] {11}

17:57:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.0043548 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {5}

17:57:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0741 = 1.0374 BTC [-]

18:02:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]

18:03:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0336 = 0.1344 BTC [+]

18:05:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0334999 = 0.134 BTC [-]

18:08:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07386034 = 0.8863 BTC [-] {2}

18:09:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31065 @ 0.00097676 = 30.343 BTC [-] {2}

18:10:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35635 @ 0.00097328 = 34.6828 BTC [-] {5}

18:11:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07499989 = 0.75 BTC [+]

18:12:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07499989 = 0.225 BTC [+]

18:14:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07101492 = 0.142 BTC [-]

18:15:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

18:16:54 benkay: for teh lols, it takes > a minute to generate 4096 bit keypair on a cutting edge iOS device

18:19:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10710 @ 0.00097931 = 10.4884 BTC [+] {2}

18:22:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0300001 = 0.18 BTC [-]

18:23:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00739958 = 0.2072 BTC [+]

18:25:28 Apocalyptic: I wouldn't generate any kind of key on such device

18:25:43 Apocalyptic: unless it's "for teh lols"

18:28:15 cgcardona_: top of tha mornin #bitcoin-assets o/

18:28:28 fluffypony: benkay: presumably due to lack of entropy not due to it being tough to crunch?

18:28:39 benkay: fluffypony: i'd assume.

18:28:54 fluffypony: "move the mouse to generate entropy"

18:28:57 fluffypony: :-P

18:29:50 fluffypony: oh Bob Hoskins died :(

18:29:51 benkay: Apocalyptic: it's an adequate solution.

18:30:28 ThickAsThieves: http://www.cnet.com/news/yelp-now-lists-businesses-that-accept-bitcoin/

18:30:28 ozbot: Yelp now lists businesses that accept Bitcoin - CNET

18:32:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097943 = 8.7169 BTC [+]

18:35:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0309999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {6}

18:38:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0741 = 0.5187 BTC [+]

18:43:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07011241 = 6.0297 BTC [-] {5}

18:48:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50969968 = 1.0194 BTC [+]

18:49:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50969986 = 1.5291 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097 BTC [+]

19:00:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00097943 = 20.9598 BTC [+]

19:03:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 3.20000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 8000 satoshi per share

19:08:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00098139 = 16.7818 BTC [+] {3}

19:13:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48320571 = 4.8321 BTC [-] {7}

19:14:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07406305 = 0.1481 BTC [+]

19:23:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48264098 = 4.8264 BTC [-] {8}

19:25:42 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/fsu-basketball-player-explains-why-jameis-winston-alleg-1569838996

19:25:43 ozbot: FSU Athlete Explains Why Jameis Winston Allegedly Stole Food

19:27:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [+]

19:31:17 ThickAsThieves: "The jury is deliberating in the lawsuit between Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) and Samsung, but their decision is modified and perhaps complicated by the fact that any damages awarded to Apple will be paid not by the Korean copycat, but by Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG). Google, the creator of the Android platform, agreed to absorb a portion, or the entirety, Samsung’s losses (if any) and court

19:31:17 ThickAsThieves: costs because the infringed patents relate to the Mountain View firm’s software, and not Samsung’s hardware. "

19:34:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]

19:40:50 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

19:40:50 assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

19:40:57 BingoBoingo: !up daybyter

19:40:57 assbot: Voicing daybyter for 30 minutes.

19:41:02 BingoBoingo: !up jorash

19:41:02 assbot: Voicing jorash for 30 minutes.

19:41:15 daybyter: hi!

19:41:17 BingoBoingo: !up ericmuyser

19:41:17 assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.

19:41:20 BingoBoingo: Hello

19:41:25 BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600

19:41:25 assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.

19:42:09 akstunt600: Thanks

19:42:15 BingoBoingo: You are welcome

19:42:26 akstunt600: hey looking for a good c developer

19:42:50 akstunt600: i have a new coin with a very cool new concept i would like to implement

19:43:02 daybyter: C....not java...everybody hates java... :-(

19:43:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00097943 = 5.093 BTC [-]

19:43:37 akstunt600: yeah lol, java scares me anymore. Such a shame ecause i supported Java devs for years as a systems admin

19:43:44 akstunt600: and ASE

19:44:17 akstunt600: i think javav clients and wallets scare many miners/investors

19:44:23 BingoBoingo: Yeah.

19:44:57 daybyter: I write all my trading code in java...

19:44:58 BingoBoingo: Local java can be workable for some uses, but... Even then usually there are better options.

19:45:43 Naphex: java is a good tool

19:45:51 Naphex: great if you know how to use it, when and where

19:45:54 thestringpuller: java is a terrible tool

19:45:59 *: daybyter hugs Naphex

19:46:10 thestringpuller: Lemme run VMs in a vm so you can vm

19:46:15 BingoBoingo: The whole having a Giant API layer to run some "portable" code is a turn off.

19:46:29 thestringpuller: Additionally why must java take so much memory?

19:46:35 Naphex: you can have that api layer as clean as you want

19:46:38 Naphex: its just a jar

19:46:48 BingoBoingo: Sure, but the runtime...

19:46:50 thestringpuller: You'd think the garbage collection would be more efficient than someone manually allocating memory.

19:46:50 daybyter: I run my code on my 256MB smartphone...

19:47:08 Naphex: thestringpuller: not that many problems with gc if you don't trash like an asshole

19:47:10 daybyter: and a bot on a 512MB vps.

19:47:16 Naphex: you're suposed to do quality code

19:47:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12680 @ 0.00097943 = 12.4192 BTC [-]

19:47:33 Naphex: don't trash, and you won't have gc problems

19:47:38 daybyter: the same code.

19:47:50 thestringpuller: Naphex: such an idealist...

19:47:54 punkman: can't even browse interesting Java code without a damn IDE, all those damn subdirectories

19:48:06 thestringpuller: because when we set a pointer to null it'll be gc'ed in the next cycle

19:48:07 thestringpuller: ~_~

19:48:09 thestringpuller: jesus

19:48:49 Naphex: oh man

19:48:54 Naphex: you guys should see enterprise software

19:48:56 Naphex: it's huge.

19:49:03 punkman: rly?

19:49:05 Naphex: like public transportation dispatches

19:49:28 Naphex: at that point having IDE's with autocomplete, context lookup and refactoring

19:49:31 Naphex: is a blessing

19:49:37 daybyter: good trading software is also big...

19:49:55 thestringpuller: Naphex: i used to work for a payment processor who wrote the entire webapp in java

19:50:05 thestringpuller: some like 2000 useless files

19:50:08 Naphex: i wouldn't do webapp dev in java tough

19:50:12 Naphex: and servlets and ee sucks ass

19:50:21 thestringpuller: oracle database with tables with 300+ columns

19:50:23 Naphex: standalone java, ftw, and backends and such

19:50:45 Naphex: i'd rather do scalable server backends, with nio in java then anything other

19:50:48 midnightmagic: thestringpuller: hah sounds like qpass

19:50:57 ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust jorash

19:50:58 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never

19:51:05 Naphex: boost c++ / python(or the realtime variants) / whatever

19:51:22 daybyter: you want to work on java code?

19:51:29 daybyter: server included?

19:51:32 Naphex: you have static code, very good nio stack, and nice threading

19:51:39 Naphex: nah - i'm full

19:51:47 daybyter: oh... :-(

19:51:48 ThickAsThieves: ;;rate jorash 1 Not afraid of criticism. Thank you.

19:51:48 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

19:51:55 ThickAsThieves: ah

19:52:01 BingoBoingo: lol

19:52:02 ThickAsThieves: well at least you all see it

19:52:03 Naphex: i wouldn't do GUI/servlets/ or webdev in java

19:52:15 Naphex: so yeah

19:52:29 daybyter: the bot can create a web UI for server mode.

19:52:45 daybyter: it's an exchange then.

19:53:08 daybyter: but still needs a lot of work...

19:53:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3310 @ 0.00097943 = 3.2419 BTC [-]

19:53:34 thestringpuller: lol boost c++

19:53:41 thestringpuller: game devs love that one

19:53:55 Naphex: so do bitcoin devs

19:54:14 akstunt600: lol @ garbage collection issues, iits atrocious still

19:54:53 akstunt600: i like boost c++ i can even contribute in it. i mean i have already made the base for this new coin

19:55:11 akstunt600: I have never actually done more than the basic tuts in eclipse for c++

19:55:13 Mats_cd03: heyooooo

19:55:13 Naphex: boost c++ == java runtime for C++ :)

19:55:24 akstunt600: Thanks

19:55:27 Mats_cd03: just had a dericious popover

19:55:33 akstunt600: i feel dumb now

19:55:46 akstunt600: mmmm popovers

19:56:26 akstunt600: yeah i saw alot of semblance between the two

19:56:43 Naphex: plus i'd also wager that java profiling/analyzing/debugging tools are some of the best around

19:57:10 daybyter: I just use some simple SYstem.out.println...

19:57:16 daybyter: I hate eclipse...

20:00:01 Naphex: daybyter: try intelij maybe, or not an ide :]

20:00:25 daybyter: I'm happy with emacs...

20:00:35 daybyter: and my ant build files.

20:00:43 Apocalyptic: should use vim

20:02:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10390 @ 0.00097598 = 10.1404 BTC [-]

20:02:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0300001 = 0.15 BTC [-]

20:03:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.00710059 = 0.2201 BTC [-] {3}

20:03:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+]

20:04:39 akstunt600: I love VIM i used eclipse ages ago

20:04:48 akstunt600: Vim is much more my style

20:04:50 akstunt600: :-)

20:05:16 akstunt600: just nice syntax highlisting and able to search and replace quickly

20:05:28 akstunt600: I used diff and cime to make this new base coin

20:05:57 akstunt600: Not sure i want it to be pow/pos after readin up more on it and gettin a bit more intamate

20:06:20 akstunt600: However POSv is intriguin the velocity of money is a great idea

20:08:32 ThickAsThieves: my recent blog post has been softened a bit to be a little less bitcoinpete-y about the quantum mining guys

20:08:53 *: ThickAsThieves has a heart.

20:09:29 fluffypony: bravery level = so

20:09:32 fluffypony: or

20:09:34 fluffypony: altruism level = so

20:11:02 ThickAsThieves: well if i'm gonna be writing blog posts about people i better make sure i put myself in their shoes, since i'm more likely to be wearing them at some point

20:11:17 mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see fraudsters)

20:11:37 ThickAsThieves: well even mircea has a code

20:11:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0739 = 0.2217 BTC [-]

20:13:49 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

20:13:49 assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

20:15:03 FabianB: ;;ticker --all

20:15:03 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)

20:15:23 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --marker all

20:15:23 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

20:15:23 BingoBoingo: ;;more

20:15:23 FabianB: ;;ticker --market all

20:15:23 gribble: the code is a valid currency on your target market. Default currency is USD.

20:15:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.56, vol: 10740.77264368 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 440.974, vol: 7166.42317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.95000001, vol: 7354.70049941 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 442.71, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.630074, vol: 4064.44780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 451.84808, vol: 5.76850587 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 454.83009, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

20:15:39 BingoBoingo: ;;more

20:15:39 gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:16:24 FabianB: ;;more

20:16:24 gribble: average: 445.917849754

20:16:27 FabianB: hmm

20:16:41 ThickAsThieves: ;;less

20:16:42 gribble: Error: "less" is not a valid command.

20:17:48 fluffypony: ;;plenty

20:17:48 gribble: Error: "plenty" is not a valid command.

20:17:53 fluffypony: well fine

20:17:59 FabianB: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur

20:18:07 gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 323.41176, vol: 10740.78072368 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 321.05028, vol: 122.88625 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 319.19391, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 321.456384, vol: 4063.02780000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 323.9393, vol: 761.77418746 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 327.9, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last average: 322.925581931

20:18:39 mike_c: so who is fucking with ATC? mined like crazy until diff change, then they all shut off. stupid pool hoppers.

20:19:00 fluffypony: bastards

20:19:05 fluffypony: heartless, ruthless bastards

20:19:10 fluffypony: messing with our dreams

20:19:21 FabianB: is it on any of the switchpools?

20:19:46 BingoBoingo: mike_c: That happened a way back

20:19:54 mike_c: it just happened.

20:19:55 ThickAsThieves: there has always been a bit of a pattern like that with atc

20:20:01 BingoBoingo: Really?

20:20:09 mike_c: last diff change was like 200%, next diff change projected at -67%

20:20:30 ThickAsThieves: yeah, ive seen several times where it starts -% prediction then ends up +

20:20:46 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Last diff change was quite a while ago wasn't it?

20:20:46 ThickAsThieves: like people mining only at the tail end of the period or some shit

20:20:52 mike_c: no, few days ago

20:21:17 fluffypony: "I agree, confidentiality agreements are not the funnest situations"

20:21:18 ThickAsThieves: it's funny considering the price has gone up

20:21:19 fluffypony: funnest

20:21:21 fluffypony: he said funnest

20:21:28 mike_c: BingoBoingo: april 27 i believe.

20:23:13 fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like everyone's trolling on the forum worked - "We have decided to re-structure Seedcoin Fund 2 to make it more attractive to potential investors and to re-launch the offering in the near future. All current SF2 investors will be refunded and invited to join the future offering."

20:23:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:24:05 mike_c: atc diff from blockr. note recent huge spike. http://i.imgur.com/PqdZp0B.png

20:24:17 ThickAsThieves: or was it "we have realized aint no one gonna buy this, back to the drawing board!"

20:24:28 mike_c: almost all that hash power seems to be gone now.

20:24:38 ThickAsThieves: someone is trying to kill Altcoin!

20:24:52 ThickAsThieves: bring back teh whalez

20:25:11 mike_c: indeed. I wonder what it would cost to rent some miner's hashpower to smooth out the bumps.

20:25:32 thestringpuller: %hash

20:25:40 thestringpuller: ugh whats teh command mod6

20:25:43 mike_c: %diff

20:25:46 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149792.42 in 1834 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.10

20:25:48 ThickAsThieves: like i mentioned in romania, i was considering sponsoring some miners

20:26:01 mike_c: did you make any inquiries?

20:26:07 ThickAsThieves: but mircea was right, as usual, the best way to support them is by buying ATCs

20:26:27 ThickAsThieves: so i did and will continue to

20:26:36 thestringpuller: i imagine ATC will become extremely useful in lieu of the testnet

20:28:23 mike_c: well, price support is nice. but it seems that can lead to what just happened. that is, it gets profitable and so a huge flood of hash hits the network, profit is taken, and hash leaves.

20:28:50 mike_c: now the only way to attract would be to make it profitable at the new difficulty level, which is way too high

20:29:05 mike_c: and could result in the same problem happenning again

20:29:37 mike_c: so having some TH/s in your back pocket to smooth out these kind of bumps still seems like a good idea.

20:31:02 mod6: thestringpuller: and remember there is always %help

20:31:02 atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate

20:31:21 mike_c: hands-off management might not be the answer here :)

20:31:36 mod6: on the next restart, some of those commands will be smaller: %last_block becomes %lb, etc.

20:31:38 atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30422 Time: 2014-04-30T19:37:51Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000002498569861e6b76cafa903d6e235cf337d8da3d4d7a8d224eceb Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 518 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1

20:31:44 mod6: oop, lol

20:32:08 mike_c: mod6: and it will only check for commands at start of line?

20:33:41 mod6: yeah, i can add that too.

20:33:44 BingoBoingo: %atc_mined

20:33:44 atcbot: [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15575552 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.80

20:33:51 ThickAsThieves: mike_c well i'm down to help

20:33:58 ThickAsThieves: if we can think of a sound way to do it

20:34:14 ThickAsThieves: i wish to maintain my promise to never mine any

20:34:33 ThickAsThieves: but that doesnt mean i wont donate to someone else providing hash security for the network

20:34:43 BingoBoingo: With only just under 6% mined, I dunno if advancing difficulty supposed price is the right approach.

20:35:19 mike_c: well, mining is a PITA. I would be interested to know what it would cost to get an option from some miners where they would agree to put some hashes on ATC when we want in the amounts we want.

20:36:31 mike_c: i'd also like to hear more from mircea_popescu if he thinks this is a bad idea.

20:36:35 ThickAsThieves: maybe we start the Altcoin Foundation

20:36:42 mike_c: lol

20:36:49 ThickAsThieves: except we actually do stuff for the health of the coin n stuff

20:37:17 mike_c: yes. can i be an amber member? platinum is so 2013.

20:38:41 ThickAsThieves: i think stan might be good at designing membership levels

20:39:02 ThickAsThieves: Patron of the Motherland

20:39:05 ThickAsThieves: or somesuch

20:43:11 fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo?

20:43:18 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Yes

20:43:28 fluffypony: ok

20:43:33 fluffypony: in terms of multi-pools

20:43:44 fluffypony: why not look at something like KGW or DigiShield?

20:43:53 fluffypony: they're both half a dozen of one, six of another

20:44:07 fluffypony: but they prevent multipools from taking advantage much

20:48:37 mike_c: one of the nice things about altcoin is that is bitcoin in disguise.

20:51:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03350004 = 0.67 BTC [+] {5}

20:52:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.03295674 = 2.0433 BTC [-] {14}

20:52:22 fluffypony: mike_c: which is fine when you have 57ph/s network wide, but when you have a significantly small distribution it's easy to manipulat

20:52:30 fluffypony: *manipulate

20:53:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03095223 = 0.6809 BTC [+] {8}

20:53:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00097356 = 9.3949 BTC [-] {2}

20:53:45 fluffypony: so whilst doing the whole "Bitcoin in disguise" thing is humorous, if the aim is to prevent multipools or someone with a wack of hashing power abusing it (and thus making it even more useless/pointless) then there are solutions to that

20:53:57 BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/30/1822209/openssh-no-longer-has-to-depend-on-openssl

20:53:59 ozbot: OpenSSH No Longer Has To Depend On OpenSSL - Slashdot

20:54:18 mike_c: yes, well, i'd rather pay a miner 0.2 btc to let us down gently from this difficulty bump instead of completely change the coin.

20:54:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03200199 = 0.16 BTC [-] {3}

20:55:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03208333 = 0.1925 BTC [+] {6}

20:56:19 fluffypony: how is adding a more rapid difficulty adjustment "completely" changing the coin?

20:56:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0325 = 0.26 BTC [+] {8}

20:56:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032375 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {2}

20:56:44 fluffypony: I'd argue that Satoshi was optimistic in his difficulty adjustment timeframe

20:56:47 mod6: ok quick atcbot restart here.

20:57:35 ThickAsThieves: well we aint gonna change the diff adjustment time now

20:57:54 ThickAsThieves: it was chosen arbitrarily intentionally dammit!

20:58:08 fluffypony: lol

20:58:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.033125 = 0.1325 BTC [+] {4}

20:59:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.0339615 = 0.4415 BTC [+] {11}

21:00:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0345 = 0.276 BTC [+] {5}

21:00:33 mod6: blah blah blah %h

21:00:40 mod6: %h

21:00:41 atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h

21:01:03 fluffypony: good job mod6

21:01:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.03023557 = 1.028 BTC [-] {8}

21:02:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02968047 = 0.6233 BTC [-] {5}

21:02:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0345 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {4}

21:02:33 mod6: thx fluffypony

21:03:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03477777 = 0.313 BTC [+] {2}

21:04:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0355 = 0.1775 BTC [+]

21:05:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.0372836 = 1.3422 BTC [+] {9}

21:05:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00097598 = 12.151 BTC [+]

21:06:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6281 @ 0.00097917 = 6.1502 BTC [+]

21:07:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0359 = 0.1436 BTC [-]

21:09:25 BingoBoingo: I'm kind of wondering... Spz someone wanted to buy an SHA-256 ASIC for AltCoin... Where the fuck would they even buy one?

21:09:59 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: Spondoolies

21:11:21 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do they actually deliver?

21:12:13 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: seems so

21:12:38 BingoBoingo: I dun think seems so is good enough for mining hardware.

21:13:22 fluffypony: what I mean is

21:13:28 fluffypony: I haven't got one in my hands

21:13:31 fluffypony: :-P

21:15:11 rithm: go away assbot you are drunk

21:16:01 rithm: !down danilepbarron

21:16:12 rithm: !down danielpbarron

21:16:12 assbot: rithm, you can't do that to danielpbarron.

21:16:17 rithm: why not assbot

21:16:22 rithm: you suck

21:17:30 mike_c: BingoBoingo: how much hash you looking to get?

21:17:43 danielpbarron: ??

21:17:45 mike_c: or, 'someone'

21:17:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5036 @ 0.00097889 = 4.9297 BTC [-]

21:18:12 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm not actually looking to hash, but I am supposing if someone actually wanted hash... Who sells hash.

21:18:46 benkay: should be able to purchase hashes on one of the hash exchanges

21:18:49 benkay: ghash.io?

21:18:58 danielpbarron: !down rithm

21:18:58 assbot: danielpbarron, you can't do that to rithm.

21:19:02 benkay: nope.

21:19:05 danielpbarron: lol

21:19:38 BingoBoingo: benkay: Nah, I mean actual physical hardware.

21:19:40 rithm: would it be terrible if you couldn't get voiced in her danielpbarron

21:19:41 mike_c: these guys actually deliver quickly (like couple biz days): http://www.112bit.com/product/antminer-s1-dual-blade/

21:19:48 danielpbarron: rithm: no

21:20:03 danielpbarron: rithm: i mostly read in here; my opinion barely matters at my stage in the game

21:20:08 rithm: i just listen now because assbot

21:20:51 rithm: assbot broke my spirit and ruined bitcorn

21:21:44 BingoBoingo: mike_c: That... actually doesn't seem bad.

21:22:26 mike_c: yeah. there are a few "companies" doing bitmain reselling in US. that guy (112bit) has been doing it for awhile.

21:23:05 mike_c: pay the money, few days later a dusty box shows up from china.

21:23:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [+] {2}

21:24:06 BingoBoingo: Maybe I haven't heard of them because there hasn't been a big fuss over "scam"

21:24:34 fluffypony: AntMiner has an extremely positive perception

21:25:45 mike_c: 112bit's thread: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/antminer-s1-u-s-868-u2-x-500-u-s-8550-bitmain-for-usa-112bit-com.255811/

21:26:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48202011 BTC [-]

21:27:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48200011 BTC [-]

21:37:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.00577117 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {5}

21:43:09 danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? There is a way to verify that a GPG key is associated with a twitter profile; #bitcoin-otc could be replaced with a twitter hashtag

21:43:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.00565049 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {2}

21:44:01 fluffypony: yes, keybase.io

21:44:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.029555 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {3}

21:44:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]

21:44:38 danielpbarron: right, that's what i'm referring to

21:44:52 danielpbarron: what I mean is: give gribble a twitter account

21:45:04 asciilifeform: keybase.io << the scambase that wants your priv key, right

21:45:15 danielpbarron: you don't have to use keybase to do what i'm suggesting

21:45:24 danielpbarron: the concept can be done independantly

21:45:38 fluffypony: asciilifeform: apparently you can use it with pubkeys only

21:45:40 fluffypony: so I'm told

21:45:47 danielpbarron: you can

21:46:23 asciilifeform: how keybase can be trusted to do anything at all, is beyond me

21:47:11 danielpbarron: lol so don't trust keybase; you can still GPG sign a data object describing your association with a twitter profile and then calculate a hash of that signature and tweet it

21:47:50 asciilifeform: or sign a message 'account xxx is mine'

21:47:58 danielpbarron: w/e

21:48:27 asciilifeform: of course, later account is taken over by spammers, whoever

21:48:31 danielpbarron: it would help to have a standard, whatever it is, so that the WoT twitter bot could scan for the verification tweets for the purpose of authing users

21:48:49 danielpbarron: you could issue a twitter revocation message

21:48:58 danielpbarron: your GPG key wouldn't be compromised

21:49:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00097806 = 22.6421 BTC [-] {2}

21:49:35 danielpbarron: there could be more than one WoT twitter bot, too (is this getting close to a decentralized WoT; just brainstorming here)

21:51:14 punkman: nonsense

21:51:28 pankkake: if only namecoin didn't solve all that already

21:51:41 pankkake: perhaps it should have been called namecoin.io

21:51:57 fluffypony: nameco.in ?

21:51:58 danielpbarron: that would be cool too; i've been a fan of Namecoin for a while now

21:52:01 fluffypony: domain hacks are all the rage

21:52:17 danielpbarron: or was that sarcasm?

21:52:25 punkman: isn't there one like keybase that works on namecoin?

21:52:32 pankkake: https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake

21:52:33 ozbot: NameID: Your Crypto-OpenID

21:52:57 pankkake: except I didn't have to give my private key to anyone

21:53:20 pankkake: and (omg) it's decentralized

21:53:54 danielpbarron: why does everyone keep saying "give private key to someone" << I never suggested doing that!

21:54:13 danielpbarron: and cool, i'm going to update my id/ to make it work on that site

21:54:20 danielpbarron: i had already reserved id/dpb :D

21:54:38 pankkake: :)

21:54:47 punkman: how big is the namecoin blockchain now?

21:55:14 pankkake: 1.8G

21:58:57 BingoBoingo: !up Dimsler

21:58:57 assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.

21:59:03 BingoBoingo: !up dR3

21:59:03 assbot: Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.

21:59:07 BingoBoingo: !up navhul-lacsup

21:59:07 assbot: Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.

22:00:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18069 @ 0.00097917 = 17.6926 BTC [+]

22:10:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00097931 = 10.8654 BTC [+] {2}

22:15:01 BingoBoingo: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/03/25/phoenix-mickey-pit-bull-fate/6879191/

22:15:01 ozbot: Phoenix judge spares controversial pit bull's life

22:15:58 mircea_popescu: ooo look at all the blinking lights

22:18:25 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, not just that. plenty of things.

22:19:03 mircea_popescu: fluffypony that was unexpected

22:20:50 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ikr

22:21:12 mircea_popescu: myeah.

22:22:04 BigBitz: mircea_popescu !

22:22:08 BigBitz: Where is my assbot trust!

22:23:47 ThickAsThieves: assbot trusts no one

22:23:53 BigBitz: DATTRUST.

22:24:01 mircea_popescu: lol

22:24:08 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot BigBitz

22:24:09 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013

22:24:13 mircea_popescu: there it is.

22:24:28 BigBitz: pesky assbot!

22:24:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 61 @ 0.06474168 = 3.9492 BTC [-]

22:24:56 ThickAsThieves: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/elizabeth-raine_n_5227509.html

22:24:56 ozbot: Med Student Elizabeth Raine Auctioning Virginity Faces Critics

22:25:00 fluffypony: BigBitz you've had L2 since forever

22:25:07 BigBitz: fluffypony dat L2.

22:25:13 BigBitz: ;;rated fluffypony

22:25:13 gribble: You rated user fluffypony on Mon Apr 14 15:08:15 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: PPUSD for BTC. Smoooooth sailing..

22:25:13 fluffypony: forrizzle

22:25:15 ThickAsThieves: such photoshopping

22:25:15 mircea_popescu: BigBitz id with gribble pm assbot !up

22:25:16 BigBitz: <3

22:25:22 fluffypony: <5

22:25:25 BigBitz: mircea_popescu I did :P

22:25:28 BigBitz: I am +v

22:25:35 mircea_popescu: a ok wd.

22:25:40 BigBitz: ty ty

22:25:52 ThickAsThieves: "In order to circumvent U.S. laws prohibiting prostitution, Raine said the actual sex experience will take place in Australia, where it is legal."

22:25:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48140201 = 4.814 BTC [-] {7}

22:26:02 fluffypony: [00:25:28] <CampJustice> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ - Much better than being in that channel

22:26:06 fluffypony: now he'll be famous

22:26:11 BigBitz: Pick up hooker. Go to Australia. Done.

22:26:34 mircea_popescu: lol he has a point.

22:27:29 asciilifeform: there's a 'fetish component'

22:27:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0340001 = 0.34 BTC [-]

22:27:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00097238 = 6.2592 BTC [-]

22:27:56 asciilifeform: some folks pay extra $5k+ for new car, vs. one driven off the lot once

22:27:58 asciilifeform: same idea

22:28:23 ThickAsThieves: does it include proof of hymen?

22:28:55 asciilifeform: damned if i know, ask the client.

22:28:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0729008 = 0.3645 BTC [-]

22:29:01 ThickAsThieves: meh

22:29:05 mircea_popescu: actulaly some do.

22:29:21 mircea_popescu: plenty of countries around the world you can get a virginity cert off any gp.

22:29:35 asciilifeform: in same countries, also get stitching op

22:29:52 ThickAsThieves: maybe she has butt sex daily

22:30:09 asciilifeform: 'amazing business idea', ye read it here phurst,

22:30:09 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:30:14 asciilifeform: antibody-based test.

22:30:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i knew chicks like that. "saving themselves for marriage". kinda pervy imo

22:30:49 asciilifeform: would almost certainly give solid proof that fucked or sucked sans rubber

22:31:25 ThickAsThieves: my first gf was such

22:31:29 asciilifeform: as far as perversions go, this one is quite popular.

22:32:05 ThickAsThieves: all these claims of virginity, then one day "Hey did you know Mikey put it in her pooper?"

22:32:11 asciilifeform: perhaps also for reasons that no one particularly likes to discuss

22:32:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "honey, all that trouble i went to so you could have a bloodied pecker and make me hurt... show some appreciaiton."

22:33:10 ThickAsThieves: well we never screwed, that event kinda wrecked things over time

22:33:24 ThickAsThieves: my friends enjoyed giving me shit about it

22:33:35 ThickAsThieves: she was ostracized basically

22:33:36 mircea_popescu: hey, what was btc-e's first altcoin scam thing called ? i forget, was it novacoin ?

22:33:40 ThickAsThieves: yes

22:33:50 mircea_popescu: aty

22:34:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight.

22:35:18 asciilifeform: 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by inch'

22:36:15 JorgePasada: I'm assuming the general opinion in this channel is that most of the altcoins are just pump and dump schemes

22:36:28 fluffypony: JorgePasada: there are some altcoins I quite fancy

22:36:37 fluffypony: but pankkake hates altcoins

22:36:40 asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to have an interesting alt

22:36:44 fluffypony: he thinks they are the very scorn of the earth

22:36:57 JorgePasada: fluffypony: which ones and why?

22:37:02 asciilifeform: but s/bitcoin/turdcoin isn't interesting

22:37:09 mircea_popescu: JorgePasada seems a safe bet.

22:38:27 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:is bitcoin money? yes is it property? yes << and who the fuck would accept such laws ?

22:38:49 mircea_popescu: or are we of the persuasion now that laws need just be made, and teh populace will just swallow whatever they happen to be /

22:39:39 fluffypony: JorgePasada: I like VertCoin because it keeps my GPU frames in business; I'm peripherally interested in PPC because of PoS; I think X11 based coins like Darkcoin are playing with some interesting concepts, and I am VERY interested in (the new) Bytecoin's ring signatures (although I prefer Monero as it's Bytecoin's code but without the dodgy premine/possibly faked blockchain data)

22:39:51 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight. /// lol it was obv much more complicated than that, i was a teenager!

22:40:03 asciilifeform: because of PoS << piece of shit? point of sale?

22:40:05 mircea_popescu: hehe. peer pressure ftw.

22:40:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you receive the latest trading statement?

22:40:24 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

22:40:24 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.39072182 BTC

22:40:25 ThickAsThieves: i ended up ditching the peers too

22:40:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yea

22:40:28 fluffypony: asciilifeform: proof of stake...they haven't gotten the implementation anywhere close to useful, but I think the idea is interesting

22:40:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Proof of Shit

22:40:38 mircea_popescu: holy shit it nearly made 1%

22:40:49 mircea_popescu: fluffypony explain the idea to me.

22:40:55 asciilifeform: proof of stake? Țepeșcoin!

22:41:06 ThickAsThieves: kobecoin

22:41:14 mircea_popescu: lol tepescoin

22:41:25 JorgePasada: Anyone from here going to the thing in Amsterdam?

22:41:33 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla am i correct in assuming panacea s.mpif investment is 50.0 may 1st ?

22:41:43 kakobrekla: correct

22:41:45 mircea_popescu: ty

22:41:55 JorgePasada: Also, I think proof of stake is interesting in theory

22:42:10 mircea_popescu: so that's everyone then, i will be publishing the f.mpif 1st statement tonight.

22:42:13 *: fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't know it in enough detail to tl;dr, so this'll have to do - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake

22:42:23 fluffypony: goddamn /me

22:42:24 JorgePasada: the problem is I have yet to see a good way of implementing it that handles both the technical AND social aspects of implementation

22:42:31 mircea_popescu: fluffypony but that was my point. if you think something's interesting you gotta be able to explain it :)

22:42:36 fluffypony: JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves is going to it

22:42:50 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I know, it's on my "stuff to understand" list

22:42:56 asciilifeform: i understand how 'proof of stake' works. but not wtf is the point.

22:42:58 mircea_popescu: no rush.

22:43:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idem.

22:43:23 JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: wanna grab a beer in Amsterdam?

22:43:31 fluffypony: asciilifeform: presumably once I understand the "how" I may come to the same conlusion

22:43:49 asciilifeform: it seems to reduce to 'mining wastes energy so let's have central banks'

22:44:19 asciilifeform: which, in turn, reduces to 'just let me conjure up all the coin and parcel it out to the lot of you idiots'

22:44:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.wired.com/2014/04/bitcoin_beer/

22:44:49 ozbot: Ohio Bans Buying Booze With Bitcoin | Enterprise | WIRED

22:45:05 BingoBoingo: ^^ the20year mrstickball

22:45:08 mircea_popescu: ohio is like, figthing wisconsin to the death in this derpiest state competition

22:45:19 BingoBoingo: It has been for most of its history.

22:45:20 mircea_popescu: that apparently only they know about.

22:45:49 BingoBoingo: Only thin Ohio as produced are astronauts, people so traumatized by Ohio they had to leave this world.

22:46:14 mircea_popescu: mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.

22:46:16 joecool: well it's not like ohio's a very appealing place to go

22:46:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, mike_c, whai harsh yo usay ?

22:46:20 joecool: unless you're a sex offender

22:46:32 mircea_popescu: joecool judging by the property values, it's somewhere between kenya and utah

22:47:09 joecool: typical ohio resident https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2472256766/Picture_2.png

22:47:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07230433 = 0.7953 BTC [-] {2}

22:47:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03324094 = 0.6981 BTC [-] {4}

22:47:47 asciilifeform: the way i understand it, high property values stopped being a proxy for 'nice place to live' sometime around when 'programmer' became a profession.

22:47:47 mircea_popescu: mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there << I lolled. because cum ROI is lolzy.

22:48:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now that's also a valid point.

22:48:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism) << dude that's fucken epic. wow. such wow.

22:48:53 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you see nthat shit ?!

22:48:57 BingoBoingo: http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/29/us_commando_mission_in_philippines_getting_overhaul

22:48:58 ozbot: U.S. Commando Mission in Philippines Getting Overhaul

22:49:30 kakobrekla: yes its amazing

22:49:30 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:49:52 mircea_popescu: me ♥ mike

22:50:44 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: next thing you'll be using emoji in chan

22:51:12 mircea_popescu: i'm a grown man, i'm not affraid to hug a pokemon

22:51:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03099908 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}

22:51:23 mircea_popescu: especially if it's a cute girl with nice tits.

22:51:23 asciilifeform: ☭.

22:52:27 fluffypony: ????????

22:52:36 ThickAsThieves: JorgePosada, but like, who are you?

22:52:45 asciilifeform: fluffypony: that came out a hex turd here.

22:53:00 fluffypony: asciilifeform: what a waste of an Italian flag

22:53:08 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one << start them in scotland, make every logics professor happy.

22:53:26 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I nearly said as much a few lines late;)

22:54:13 ThickAsThieves: JorgePasada*, but like, who are you?

22:54:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader" << does this guy aspire to overtake Dr. Foreskin ?

22:54:47 JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: I'm just some guy, who does things. :-)

22:54:52 mircea_popescu: what is with these fuckwits! it's like an entire new circle of strange broke last year, the "thoughht leaders"

22:55:16 JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: benkay introduced me to this place, know him from meetups/trading locally

22:55:51 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we should ALL become thought leaders...it could be the criteria for us each running our own One True UK Bitcoin Exchange

22:56:07 asciilifeform: shards of the true cross.

22:56:27 mircea_popescu: the20year: Not here at least it seems << dude you're becoming an exercise in squandered youth. shoulda gotten in the wot like you know, 6 months ago or w/e.

22:58:06 ThickAsThieves: word

22:58:13 ThickAsThieves: just making sure you arent some kinda crazy

22:58:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i'll just be a thought follower.

22:58:43 mircea_popescu: everyone wants to fucking push the rope.

22:59:11 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ok-glass-how-much-do-you-really-cost/

22:59:21 ThickAsThieves: mp i think the20year is in the wot no?

22:59:26 ThickAsThieves: just no one will rate him?

22:59:29 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm a poop leader, yo

23:00:00 mircea_popescu: so you're a fart ?

23:00:15 fluffypony: entreprefart

23:00:18 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> everyone wants to fucking push the rope. << It's how one shoots self with a Bow.

23:00:24 fluffypony: entreprefeurt

23:00:28 mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.

23:03:08 fluffypony: "They link to a google doc on their website (which is where I pointed you to on my previous post). It's an example of putting in effort on transparency."

23:03:11 fluffypony: I see

23:03:17 fluffypony: a Google Doc = transparency

23:03:56 mircea_popescu: first ever transparency.

23:05:03 fluffypony: HAH HAH

23:05:15 fluffypony: from _mr_e

23:05:16 fluffypony: "I still haven't gotten dick all, other then a lower share price and a huge missed opportunity on GoCoin, from seedcoin1. Fuck this."

23:10:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude why all the ohio hate

23:11:04 mircea_popescu: one of the better cocksuckers i know used to live there pre-rescue.

23:12:38 mircea_popescu: punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014" << how the fuck's that kid an entrepreneur lol

23:12:41 mircea_popescu: thought leader, i can see.

23:12:59 fluffypony: assbot needs to be like"THOUGHT LEADER!"

23:13:07 fluffypony: every time someone says thought

23:13:27 joecool: mircea_popescu: bro he's been starting companies since before it was cool

23:13:57 mircea_popescu: fluffypony or leader.

23:14:03 mircea_popescu: joecool like which ?

23:14:16 mircea_popescu: polimedia was started 2007. got an amir reg from prior ?

23:14:22 BingoBoingo: Well... I've never found anything about the place pleasant. Doesn't preclude the occasional gem from coming out of there, but it's enough to judge the location.

23:14:23 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed

23:14:24 joecool: mircea_popescu: no clue, they are all likely hard to remember names

23:14:30 fluffypony: someone pitch it to kako

23:14:33 mircea_popescu: aok

23:14:51 joecool: mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the past decade or so, everyone sets up an LLC for something, and 99% of them fail or do nothing

23:14:57 joecool: it's the hipster way?

23:16:18 BingoBoingo: I mean Arkansas has a state park where the reason to go is diamonds, often of gem quality, literally lay on the ground. Yet people don't go flood Arkansas trying to get to that one attraction.

23:17:08 mircea_popescu: joecool that may be true, except, it's not his case.

23:17:20 mircea_popescu: my argument here is that he fails to meet even the lowest common denominator.

23:17:24 mircea_popescu: !up napedia

23:17:24 assbot: Voicing napedia for 30 minutes.

23:17:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349989 = 0.105 BTC [+]

23:18:20 joecool: BingoBoingo: it involves effort and luck, some people do spent tons of time there

23:18:29 mircea_popescu: i think i probably formed more llcs than anyone in bitcoin has had sex partners, and probably in more jurisdictions than these folks have travelled.

23:18:33 mircea_popescu: nevertheless...

23:18:40 joecool: BingoBoingo: there was a woman that found the only perfect natural diamond ever recorded a few years back, she's likely still diggin away

23:18:52 mircea_popescu: the curse of success.

23:18:57 mircea_popescu: you end up trying to replicate it.

23:19:06 BingoBoingo: joecool: Sure some people spend tons of time there, but some people also buy groceries for sweepstakes entries.

23:19:14 fluffypony: bed time noa, night guys

23:19:53 mircea_popescu: this guy sleeps too much dioesn't he

23:19:55 mircea_popescu: every night, too.

23:20:16 BingoBoingo: Srsly

23:20:29 Naphex: well, better sleep then stay all night optimizing dumdum raid arrays with ssd's

23:20:37 BingoBoingo: Sleep all at once and get it over with

23:20:48 mircea_popescu: ^

23:20:53 mircea_popescu: six hours should be enough for everyone.

23:21:00 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/31e6bdedcfbe81dea88919d5c48162c9/tumblr_mxxmb6GLgJ1riu9eco1_500.png

23:21:05 mircea_popescu: that shit's epic.

23:22:19 Naphex: lol

23:22:34 Naphex: strlen for hashing functions

23:22:36 Naphex: thats the joke ;]

23:22:37 mircea_popescu: bounce:where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable << dude srsly. quantum proofing is not doable.

23:23:14 BingoBoingo: Eh, some of my best days have been 72 hours up followed by 18 hours down.

23:23:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+]

23:24:50 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust jorash

23:24:50 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never

23:25:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tried to rate him, not in the database

23:25:50 mircea_popescu: yeah i c. as you perhaps guessed, i'm a log interpreter not compiler.

23:25:59 BingoBoingo: Ah

23:26:33 mircea_popescu: mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see fraudsters) << what, the outrage is wholly user contributed.

23:27:09 BingoBoingo: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/moral-police-your-checking-account-chase-bank-shuts-down-accounts-adult

23:27:09 mircea_popescu: my articles are fair and balanced

23:27:10 ozbot: The Morality Police in Your Checking Account: Chase Bank Shuts Down Accounts of Adult Entertainers |

23:28:49 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Looks like you are getting the first S.MPIF statement tonight so you can analytics.

23:28:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.00697997 = 0.1047 BTC [-]

23:29:12 mircea_popescu: mike_c actually i think the variations in hashing are great. -2/3 isn't too impressive, and every al;tcoin goes through this scenario.

23:29:18 mircea_popescu: atc is handling it way better than the average.

23:30:10 mircea_popescu: "profit is taken" is nonsense. the huge flood mines what, 50 blocks ? 500 ? what profit is there to be taken,

23:30:30 mircea_popescu: a single day on xtc there were like 30k blocks traded.

23:31:30 mike_c: BingoBoingo: ah, that's cool

23:31:42 mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't think it's a bad idea if thats how you want to spend your time, but i do think it doesn't do much either way.

23:33:01 mike_c: "every altcoin goes through this" << yes.. and most of them fail.

23:36:07 mircea_popescu: not for this reason.

23:36:15 mike_c: bitcoin's biggest drop ever was 18%

23:36:16 mircea_popescu: let the coin write its own history, what.

23:36:29 mircea_popescu: remember that "Resilience" is just another way of saying "not giving a shit".

23:36:52 mircea_popescu: i mean, this coiuld marghinally be an argument if there were like, merchants, doing txn, being disrupted. but the average txn per block is like... 0.8 or something

23:37:16 mircea_popescu: in other words, "woman, i know you love the kid, now let him crack his fucking skull open. we'll mend him afterwards, IF he manages."

23:39:27 mike_c: yeah. i guess if there were a merchant trying to use ATC he'd probably be the only one worked up over it. hey satoshijack, what you think?

23:41:01 mircea_popescu: afaik he mines lol.

23:41:15 mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's exactly one failure mode of a coin, and that is, no buy side.

23:41:18 mircea_popescu: %book

23:41:19 atcbot: 35k@225 42k@222 12k@220 | 110k@195 2k@170 5k@156

23:41:28 mircea_popescu: doesn't look worrisome yet.

23:43:24 mike_c: re: cuban, you started the article basically saying he was clueless :) i'm just a fanboy, so i was feeling defensive.

23:43:32 mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin's constant dfif growth is a major driver of inflation (more coins / unit time than designed = inflation), and that acts as a price depressant.

23:44:21 mircea_popescu: mike_c indeed you were :p but i was saying he's an asshole, not clueless. which i do believe is what happened there, he started trying to be pr-asshole and ended up losing focus and just spilling.

23:45:32 JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Yeah, bothers me when people say "Hoarding is bad" or "People need to use their coins instead of holding them" or "Speculators are ruining the market"

23:45:32 mike_c: it was some good quotes from the trial though.

23:45:48 mircea_popescu: mike_c definitely.

23:46:19 mircea_popescu: JorgePasada what do people know. they also say "abstinence only sex ed" and stuff.

23:46:41 JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is"

23:46:53 JorgePasada: all those things completely ignore the buy side of the equation

23:47:07 mircea_popescu: look, you've seen kids play ? all the kids aspire to be the kid that picks what game they all play.

23:47:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]

23:47:14 mircea_popescu: most kids don't get to. that's life.

23:47:29 mircea_popescu: same thing here, everyone with a keyboard figures he could be picking the music, why not.

23:47:45 JorgePasada: Buyers/speculators are essential to market health

23:48:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03369997 = 0.2022 BTC [-] {3}

23:48:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]

23:48:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

23:48:19 mircea_popescu: my current thinking is that any approach to economy that's not agent-agnostic is nonsense.

23:48:56 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo? << 512.

23:48:59 JorgePasada: agent agnostic in what sense?

23:49:53 JorgePasada: I think I get what you're saying but, clarity is always good

23:50:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.032 = 0.64 BTC [+]

23:51:24 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 << this sense.

23:51:25 ozbot: A complete theory of economics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:52:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00097238 = 0.9238 BTC [-]

23:53:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00097329 = 19.7091 BTC [+] {2}

23:53:24 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? << i dun think i'd want that really. but maybe a gpg-based ircitter may be interesting.

23:55:29 JorgePasada: Following up to here

23:55:31 JorgePasada: It certainly isn’t wishful thinking, it’s rather fearful thinking,

23:55:31 JorgePasada: Amusingly, there’s no difference between these two :)

23:55:40 JorgePasada: Explain further on that comment

23:56:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+]

23:56:40 mircea_popescu: i have no investment in your emotional investment. consequently, whether you wish or fear is all the same to me.it's merely the amplitude that interests, not the direction.

23:57:11 mircea_popescu: "makes little difference to the tree which way the wind blows. all that matters is how strongly" sorta thing

23:57:41 JorgePasada: Yeah

23:58:26 JorgePasada: The guy who you're taking the excerpts from seems to miss (or be terrified of the fact) that all the questions he's asking and the points your making come back to one thing

23:58:32 JorgePasada: the subjectivity of value

23:58:56 mircea_popescu: more like the preminence of pattern over intent.

23:59:22 JorgePasada: and he's trying to wrap it up all nice and neat and objectify it into something that can be cold, cool and calculated and make him feel all safe and warm inside