Transcript for 30-05-2014, 506 lines:
00:22:47 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell thestringpuller You really need a blog, makes -otc so much smoother.
00:29:36 benkay: dub: what's the deal with the ardbeg 'no swimming'?
00:33:01 mircea_popescu: <dub> I'm waiting for someone to build the bitcoin like consensus network for electoral systems << seems already built to me.
00:33:09 mircea_popescu: Naphex, about same.
00:33:16 jurov: ;;later tell thestringpuller and hurry, .surgery TLD launches soon
00:36:14 mircea_popescu: <punkman> but that's too much, messes with the schedule << and the spare tyre.
00:36:38 mircea_popescu: <punkman> "basically I'm building a more efficient financial system" <<< ahahaha epic.
00:36:46 mircea_popescu: "basically i have no idea what i'm saying"
00:37:18 punkman: what about the tyre?
00:37:23 mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> that guy is trying to patent certain types of smart contract, real dick move if you ask me << notrly. the thing is doomed anyway, adding lulz to it can';t possibly hurt anything
00:38:07 mircea_popescu: punkman, siesta helps
00:38:48 mircea_popescu: "What the hell do you know about typical? You're 22 and you don't know anything"
00:39:11 mircea_popescu: yeah, that's going to go over well, telling 20 something us fuckwits they're dumber than their luggage
00:50:03 punkman: "You can tell your buddy Phil he couldn’t be more misinformed. Ron, through me, has experienced about 700 different types of orgasms, including one that’s illegal in Brazil, and one that can only be measured by a Geiger counter."
00:52:25 punkman: that was from "The Official Blog of Ron Jeremy's Classically Trained Dick as it navigates its way through the hairy world of Show Business". That's a good blog title.
01:06:48 mircea_popescu: punkman, wait, what ?
01:12:02 mircea_popescu: aok
01:17:52 diametric: Ron Jeremy is not aging well at all
01:18:10 diametric: but then again he's in a position where he doesn't give a shit
01:24:56 mircea_popescu: is this some sleazeball pornstar from the 90s ?
01:25:48 HeySteve: he's the guy who looks like super mario
01:27:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: roughly 79 to the present
01:34:35 diametric: HeySteve: hehe he does look like super mario.
01:36:02 HeySteve: http://www.amazon.com/The-50th-Law-50-Cent/dp/006177460X <- this book was much better than you'd expect, and I hate rap
02:20:35 Mats_cd03: benkay: bit-c docs re: change addresses, "For now, we assume that the address onto which we want to transfer change is the wallet's main/first key. In the future this will likely change, but for now we'll keep this simple."
02:22:33 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: That's how the older saner Multibit versions work.
02:22:44 decimation: asciilifeform: have you seen this book on asynchronous design: http://www2.imm.dtu.dk/pubdb/views/publication_details.php?id=855
02:27:04 benkay: Mats_cd03: thanks man.
04:14:14 asciilifeform: decimation: yes indeed. pretty good schoolbook intro.
04:51:36 asciilifeform: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/htf/4342035361.html
04:53:00 asciilifeform: ^ definitely not v1 engine. false advertising, hmph
05:15:35 asciilifeform: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/anc/3812193649.html
06:01:31 fluffypony: lol
06:01:38 fluffypony: usagi deleted my post
06:01:42 fluffypony: took him a while
06:04:13 benkay: why do you spend your time like that?
06:04:22 benkay: what is the appeal, man?
06:07:27 fluffypony: if nobody says anything the bad actors will continue
06:18:05 fluffypony: First they came for the Ponzi Schemes, and I did not speak out - Because I did not run a Ponzi Scheme.
06:18:06 fluffypony: Then they came for the Scams, and I did not speak out - Because I did not run a Scam.
06:18:06 fluffypony: Then they came for the Pump and Dumps, and I did not speak out - Because I did not run a Pump and Dump.
06:18:06 fluffypony: Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
06:23:55 xmj: Good Morning
06:32:17 benkay: that's utterly nonsensical
07:29:19 fluffypony: benkay: it's a Friday, I'm not meant to make much sense :)
07:31:36 benkay: BingoBoingo: have you ever read IGNITION! ?
07:31:51 BingoBoingo: benkay: No, should I?
07:33:42 benkay: fun read with lots of booms
07:34:39 benkay: asciilifeform and mircea_popescu would probably say it's a shitty knockoff of something russian or from 2000 years ago in a dead language tho
07:37:30 pankkake: but everything is a shitty knockoff of something older
07:38:03 pankkake: just accept it and stop hipstering! :)
07:42:24 BingoBoingo: Masterclass in Sarcasm: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gsk-employees-really-love-their-bosss-book-its-better-than-harvard/
08:32:10 pankkake: so two days later no financial statement or dividends from asicminer
08:33:40 Apocalyptic: what a surprise
08:36:19 pankkake: I'm quite surprised actually. though the shareholders are really asking to be fucked, once again
09:05:56 xmj: eventually it'll go bust
09:06:03 xmj: hopefully the scammers will starve.
09:34:24 jurov: dunno how much water was in that snow actually
09:37:36 jurov: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2014/05/29/how_to_buy_buy_buy.php btc stocks are no exception
09:38:41 jurov: <xmj> hopefully the scammers will starve. <<< but hope dies last, yknow
09:39:33 xmj: of course.
09:40:01 xmj: it's a matter of publicizing who did the scamming business (involves doxxing them), and making sure they don't get any contracts
09:40:53 jurov: you're clearly new
09:41:09 jurov: usagi's stuff is well documented since 3 years back
09:42:38 jurov: that's why jails were invented irl
09:42:41 xmj: no, i'm an optimist.
09:45:03 fluffypony: man this Dragon V2 is pretty
09:45:50 fluffypony: ;;gettrust usagi
09:46:18 xmj: jurov: if he's repeatedly doing scams like that it's time to raise awareness.
09:46:47 jurov: xmj look no further than MPOE-PR
09:47:52 jurov: awareness is certainly not the only thing she raised
09:49:10 jurov: did not help, either
10:03:21 mircea_popescu: "I am DDF. Normally I don't do drugs because they are a symptom of a crumbling bourgeois society, but I am 420 friendly when it comes to this because I want to be corrupted by a hot ultra-leftist pot smoking degenerate pervert."
10:03:38 mircea_popescu: someone translate grenwich village speak for me, i keep losing track. what's ddf again ?
10:03:52 fluffypony: no clue
10:03:56 fluffypony: a sexual orientation, probably
10:04:34 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: if nobody says anything the bad actors will continue <<< not on the forum tho.
10:04:38 pankkake: disease free I think
10:04:39 cazalla: drug and disease free
10:04:41 mircea_popescu: this used to be the idea, 2011 to 2012ish
10:04:45 mircea_popescu: cazalla, aty
10:04:48 pankkake: drug and disease free
10:04:57 mircea_popescu: no he beat you to it.
10:05:02 pankkake: indeed
10:05:23 cazalla: see i know this because i thought i would find women on usenet when i was 15 and would post they needed to be ddf
10:05:42 mircea_popescu: who is disease free anyway.
10:05:47 mircea_popescu: women got like candida and shit.
10:05:57 mircea_popescu: benkay: asciilifeform and mircea_popescu would probably say it's a shitty knockoff of something russian or from 2000 years ago in a dead language tho << lmao.
10:06:29 mircea_popescu: THE META THING is a shitty knockoff of something from 2000 years ago in (multiple) dead languages
10:23:33 mircea_popescu: pankkake, http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/#comment-100540
10:30:38 fluffypony: "You shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a computer. Why don’t you stay off the crack pipe you crazy idiot."
10:30:39 fluffypony: LOL!
10:31:09 fluffypony: next up on Reddit: "The guy that threatened Our Illustrious Andreas is still using a computer! Let's get him banned from computers!"
10:32:25 fluffypony: I love rugby article titles
10:34:14 mircea_popescu: i suspect there's a particular neurosis that manifests as this fixation on "inventing" things in spaces that don't allow it.
10:34:26 mircea_popescu: im sure somewhere someone is working hard on inventing a "new type of coffee mug"
10:34:53 mircea_popescu: to anyone sane, it's quite clear that the coffee mug problem is a solved problem. but to this particular sort of touched in the head smart fellow, it's not.
10:36:33 jurov: well, since IPO can be done for it..
10:36:56 jurov: and that not for mug innovations, just the kiln
10:37:06 chetty: well I suppose buttons solved everything, until zippers came along
10:37:49 mircea_popescu: jurov: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2014/05/29/how_to_buy_buy_buy.php btc stocks are no exception <<< great find
10:38:08 mircea_popescu: the most impressive part to me tho is the fractal quality of it! because the guy discussing the problem says later on
10:38:14 chetty: (but the condom thing is really dumb - imo)
10:38:19 mircea_popescu: "No other part of the market seems to attract wildly devoted cultists like small biopharma stocks do;"
10:38:38 mircea_popescu: it's not that this is wrong. it's that this is wrong *exactly the same way* and for exactly the same reason as the thing he criticises
10:39:03 mircea_popescu: it;s almost as if there's this prion, that turns to itself anyone touching it. like a linguistic virus, even if you discuss the infected,
10:39:08 mircea_popescu: as long as you're discussing it, you got it.
10:39:38 mircea_popescu: chetty, except zippers are just technologically advanced clasps,
10:39:43 chetty: exactly how memes work
10:39:45 mircea_popescu: which existed when buttons were invented
10:40:28 mircea_popescu: try as he may, an inventor hopeful in 1700 could not make zippers. their existence is predicated on other advances.
10:40:37 mircea_popescu: once those advances happen zippers (and velcro) are trivial.
10:40:50 mircea_popescu: which is kind-of my point. we will definitely have magnetic suspension coffee cups one day
10:40:54 mircea_popescu: but that day isn't today.
10:41:09 chetty: so a technological improvement on coffee mugs might be possible - not that I believe it but hey I dont know what I dont know
10:41:30 mircea_popescu: definitely possible. the objection isn't that it's not possible, the objection is gthat the person is allocating their work unjudiciously.
10:41:39 mircea_popescu: shitting a table is also possible.
10:41:57 mircea_popescu: should have better things to do than trying.
10:42:09 chetty: well solving problems that do not exist does seem to be the current pandemic
10:42:25 xmj: mircea_popescu: everything is trivial in retrospect
10:42:27 jurov: well, i can think of a mug that will suspend the liquid in midair in electromagnetic trap.. no more washing, yay
10:42:38 xmj: on that note, Taleb has good things to say in Antifragile
10:42:44 mircea_popescu: jurov, yup, i said above :D
10:43:07 mircea_popescu: xmj, not really everything tho. just, the sort of stuff that ends up on late night shopping channels.
10:43:14 mircea_popescu: like velcro, or the zipper.
10:43:16 xmj: not quite
10:43:54 mircea_popescu: or the easiest to use fork or w/e
10:45:14 jurov: innovative fruit!
10:45:55 xmj: physalis are nice
10:46:16 mircea_popescu: lol innovative fruit
10:46:28 mircea_popescu: can ythey be used as revolutionary condoms, i wonder.
10:46:30 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, snake fruit looks nice
10:46:38 fluffypony: yeah damn
10:46:56 mircea_popescu: hmm, was it quince they inserted a slice into the woman pre copulation as a very early spermicide ?
10:47:24 xmj: monty python "every sperm is sacred" comes to mind
10:47:48 mircea_popescu: a sapote is great ya
10:49:41 mircea_popescu: o look, imgur is hiring via the website too
10:49:50 mircea_popescu: bit.ly also
10:50:15 mircea_popescu: i think this is a sympthom of decay, they've finally given up on trying to hire engineers and are now looking for webheads willing to work for free
10:50:24 mircea_popescu: "for a great company, make history!!111"
10:50:54 xmj: you get what you pay for
10:51:10 xmj: if you want high quality engineers, better prepare to pay'em
10:51:53 mircea_popescu: see the harlan ellison bit.
11:09:13 fluffypony: lol
11:10:26 xmj: classy
11:28:17 mircea_popescu: ahhh that pleasant feeling of having just written a great piece.
11:42:49 fluffypony: mircea_popescu / davout / whoever
11:42:59 mircea_popescu: hm?
11:43:28 fluffypony: is there any EU bank that allows the opening of an account online or via mail, provides internet banking with SEPA transfers, and you can get a debit card for the account?
11:43:42 mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
11:44:00 mircea_popescu: take a trip, hire a lawyer, start a company like sane people.
11:44:39 xmj: fluffypony: estonian banks have that.
11:44:39 fluffypony: I already have that structure setup in Italy, but the economy and bullshit there is starting to break my balls
11:44:47 xmj: also, what mircea_popescu says.
11:44:53 fluffypony: xmj: I'm actually looking at LHV atm
11:45:07 xmj: I'm with LHV, they're good.
11:45:36 fluffypony: I'll be in Europe in September to tidy things up, it's just between now and then that I'm getting tired of the Italian BS
11:45:43 fluffypony: and ze Germans are not an option :-P
11:45:47 xmj: fluffypony: guy who runs this is the local head of the European Students for Liberty group
11:46:00 xmj: fluffypony: where are you located?
11:46:06 fluffypony: xmj: South Africa
11:46:20 xmj: interesting
11:46:41 xmj: as I was saying, LHV is good. but I did need to show up in their office after registering the account online.
11:46:56 xmj: fluffypony: PM
11:47:03 fluffypony: kk
11:47:25 chetty: I wouldnt expect any EU member to have trustablke banking for long
11:49:03 mircea_popescu: " It's much better to learn all you need to know about the science of the biotech stock you just bought from other, more-educated true believers on Internet stock message boards."
11:49:10 mircea_popescu: ah such a gem. i wish to hire that brent a guy
12:01:20 mircea_popescu: ;;google maitotoxin
12:01:26 mircea_popescu: talk about incredible compounds
12:05:26 jurov: fluffypony: most eu banks are just branches of some german/uk/italian/french conglomerates
12:07:14 xmj: jurov: add swedish.
12:07:19 xmj: SEB is huge.
12:07:39 xmj: add Austrian, they're all over eastern europe/former yugoslavia.
12:19:11 mircea_popescu: ex austrohungarian empire huh
12:29:59 pankkake: ;;ticker
12:30:22 jurov: gut
12:31:46 jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
12:34:54 mircea_popescu: !up pie hm
12:34:59 mircea_popescu: ppl gotta learn to irc
12:36:11 pankkake: !up SuchWow
12:47:12 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
12:49:27 dexX7: hmm looks like www.xapo.com starts to operate. received an invite.
13:06:36 Mats_cd03: ugh, Velcro
13:07:16 Mats_cd03: velcro and zipper r aids...buttons for lyf
13:13:37 Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
13:33:02 princessnell: diametric this whole thing feels like lavabit
13:33:02 princessnell: << my boyfriend got the same vibe. burning the field?
13:40:31 Mats_cd03: definitely looks like a canary
14:12:46 bitcoinpete: "Much of the cited data on trafficking is based on shaky estimates, and many conflate all sex work with trafficking. A 2003 study funded by the Agency for International Development used actual counts to estimate that 88 percent of female sex workers in Cambodia had not experienced coercion."
14:16:32 mircea_popescu: heh.
14:16:56 mircea_popescu: nothing quite like global warming/pinkeryeconomics/womens rights/reparations/social sciences and so on
14:18:38 bitcoinpete: lol ya, which is exactly this as well:
14:18:40 bitcoinpete: "John T. Pagel said he was not convinced that the climatic changes happening in the United States were a result of human emissions. He suspects they might be part of a natural cycle. But with Californians dangling cash in exchange for his willingness to cut emissions, he jumped at the chance to build his digester."
14:19:11 bitcoinpete: get paid!
14:19:16 pankkake: also AIDS
14:20:13 bitcoinpete: pankkake: you lost me...
14:21:12 pankkake: AIDS in africa is based on shaky estimates. not much actual testing
14:21:56 pankkake: but it's another Good Cause, and you can also blame the pope along the way
14:24:09 bitcoinpete: gotta get that morality
14:26:14 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: risky click of the day
14:27:31 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: did you fall for the bait?
14:27:49 fluffypony: totally
14:29:41 bitcoinpete: you really are bored, eh?
14:30:21 bitcoinpete: i don't use "eh" enough around here…
14:31:05 bitcoinpete: so fluffypony are you signed and sealed for the third conference?
14:31:57 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I am - I'm waiting for this rise to play out and will pay my dues in July-ish
14:32:07 fluffypony: the wife and I had a LONG debate today about what we're going to do
14:32:27 fluffypony: but I think the current thinking is to fly Cape Town -> Istanbul -> BA pretty much straight through
14:32:44 fluffypony: then conference, then spend time in Argentina, Brazil, and Chile for 2.5 weeks or so
14:32:44 mircea_popescu: !up PierreRochard
14:33:09 fluffypony: then back to BA -> Istanbul, hang around in Istanbul for a bit -> Germany for 14 days for her cousin's wedding -> Istanbul -> Cape Town
14:33:29 fluffypony: or something like that
14:33:39 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: quite the journey!
14:34:06 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: well this wedding in May was already down on the list, so it's kinda just killing time between the conference and the wedding
14:35:19 bitcoinpete: there are worse ways to kill time than in brasil and istanbul :D
14:35:27 fluffypony: exactly my thoughts :)
14:35:42 bitcoinpete: rio de janeiro is freaking fantastic
14:36:29 fluffypony: we've never been to South America, so I'm really looking forward to it
14:36:53 bitcoinpete: rio is the best part of south america that i've seen
14:37:04 bitcoinpete: sorta like a mix between barcelona, tel aviv, and vancouver
14:37:12 fluffypony: nice
14:37:17 bitcoinpete: with the sexiest people and the best food
14:39:33 bitcoinpete: i'm looking forward to following the world cup this year
14:39:56 bitcoinpete: rio was definitely getting itself ready for the games when i was there 15 months ago
14:40:12 bitcoinpete: the city felt ready to pounce onto the world stage
14:42:47 fluffypony: nice
14:43:48 bitstein: I only know Rio from City of God. And the Simpsons.
14:44:51 bitcoinpete: bitstein: city of god was part of my pre-trip edumakation
14:44:57 bitcoinpete: so was the animated movie "rio"
14:45:09 bitcoinpete: the latter was more informative
14:46:02 bitcoinpete: fast 5 was probably the least useful
14:47:53 PierreRochard: favorite rio movie is Elite Squad Enemy Within http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/elite_squad_the_enemy_within/
14:49:00 bitcoinpete: nice
14:50:51 bitcoinpete: just watched the trailer
14:51:04 bitcoinpete: might have to check that out
15:03:46 asciilifeform: ^ spot the disinfo
15:05:45 pankkake: lol
15:06:25 pankkake: Tails has something on shutdown that tries to erase most ram
15:08:03 asciilifeform: answer to riddle: cold boot attack is in fact implemented in a commercial police gadget. comes with bottle of spray-on coolant, gizmo with sockets for various types of ram, etc.
15:08:25 asciilifeform: (consult local spookware vendor for cost)
15:13:44 TomServo: asciilifeform: Is the bit about the process not working with DDR3 true?
15:18:33 TomServo: lol
15:18:46 TomServo: Got me for a few seconds
15:20:32 jurov: heh i treated it as malicious code that will hijack the addresses and whatnot.. only after a while read the content
15:21:16 mike_c: lot of money on Yes, not much confidence out there :)
15:23:01 jurov: !up xdotcommer
15:23:27 xdotcommer: I got voiced!
15:23:29 jurov: !up HeySteve
15:24:16 pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot xdotcommer
15:24:46 xdotcommer: <- noobs will be noobs
15:25:16 xdotcommer: I need to authenticate but i always forget how.. then i have to rtfm and remmber pass
15:25:58 xdotcommer: i wish i can just get a needle protrude from keyboard and take my blood and authenticate me
15:26:03 jurov: and what do you do?
15:26:08 pankkake: but that wouldn't be very secure
15:26:09 jurov: generally
15:26:19 xdotcommer: check blood to see if i am alive or not
15:26:37 jurov: there's vampyre blood test?
15:26:44 xdotcommer: or i dont know some sort of a brain implant
15:26:56 xdotcommer: that i can mentally control
15:27:07 jurov: bah, someone'll hypnotize you
15:27:29 xdotcommer: jurov: with some fail safe firewall for hyponosis
15:27:49 jurov: it's good that this auth method requires you to undergo nontrivial effort
15:28:15 xdotcommer: I always wonted to get into http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/8/3177438/cyborg-america-biohackers-grinders-body-hackers
15:29:56 jurov: yea, and hook dem electrodes up to masturbation bot
15:31:03 jurov: after it gets too sore, switch them to bitcoin dice game
15:31:56 jurov: and back and forth
15:44:11 mike_c: jurov: how goes coinroll? happy with the purchase?
15:53:05 jurov: mike_c we did not purchase it
15:54:57 jurov: scrat just wanted to get rid of it (and has rarely appeared since, last 2 months never at all)
15:55:40 jurov: so naturally we ran into problems, but it's manageable and well paid
15:56:39 jurov: then, there are investors who loaned the bankroll to scrat, fortunately we did not need it yet
15:57:24 jurov: and they hoped for phat IPO, but mircea rejected it outright
15:57:53 jurov: and Havelock did incredible obstructions and derpage around it
15:58:26 jurov: so that's whole situation in short
15:58:45 jurov: ;;seens scrat
15:58:47 jurov: ;;seen scrat
15:58:53 jurov: lolk
16:02:27 fluffypony: pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg7038745#msg7038745
16:02:51 pankkake: cool
16:13:02 mike_c: jurov: so profits are split between current operators and old investors?
16:13:11 jurov: yes
16:14:13 mike_c: well, cashflow is nice even if IPO never happens.
16:22:30 bitcoinpete: whoa asicminer...
16:24:50 asciilifeform: TomServo: afaik no published academic success against ddr3. does not mean impossible. likewise, not all of the volatile storage in a box equipped with ddr3 is such - sram in cpu cache, disk controller, etc.
16:25:10 nubbins`: yup
16:25:18 nubbins`: dat AM tank
16:27:47 moiety: hello campers
16:27:59 bitcoinpete: howdy moiety
16:28:18 moiety: oh pete... got me flat! get the keys on sunday :D
16:28:26 bitcoinpete: "In essence, Beats aims to become Uber of music by aggregating demand, connecting listeners to artists and empowering the artists to build thriving business on top of the platform."
16:28:44 bitcoinpete: moiety: congrats my dear!
16:29:17 moiety: ty :D I'm so happy
16:31:30 fluffypony: moiety: the sex weeks flat?
16:32:09 moiety: fluffypony: yup :D tis all mines! and with faur weeks left
16:32:52 fluffypony: nice!
16:35:45 moiety: the livingroom is huge, i think I have plenty space for manul-relating conferences
16:36:25 punkman: or the bitcoin call center
16:37:53 punkman: 0.153 hah
16:38:00 punkman: down it goes
16:38:01 bitcoinpete: lol
16:38:27 punkman: is there a guide for those AM "reports", looks like some funky accounting
16:40:00 nubbins`: !t h am1
16:41:39 dexX7: oh wow @am
16:41:57 bitcoinpete: omfg this is the bloodiest bath that ever a cat took
16:42:13 *: dexX7 deletes friedcatforpresident.jpg
16:42:46 nubbins`: inorite :(
16:42:54 *: nubbins` shreds t-shirt films
16:44:42 fluffypony: dat dump
16:45:23 dexX7: <shangri-la> I've lost my voice, can you help?
16:45:39 jborkl: wtf happened with AM?
16:45:42 fluffypony: shangri-la: I've found that tea with honey and lemon helps
16:46:01 jborkl: have not kept up with them in ages
16:46:11 dexX7: financial report
16:46:14 fluffypony: jborkl: they released their finance report
16:46:16 fluffypony: !up shangri-la
16:46:24 jborkl: thanks dex
16:47:09 shangri-la: Finally and end to ASICminer fanclub irrational exuberance
16:49:44 nubbins`: ^ actually felt nostalgic for a moment ;0
16:49:56 nubbins`: seems so long ago, nancy!
16:50:17 jborkl: thats not looking so good
16:50:52 jborkl: is/are the products assembled or does that still need to be paid for
16:51:05 jborkl: or unknown
16:51:24 shangri-la: jborlk: products are assembled mainly.
16:51:48 jborkl: well then that is better
16:52:04 shangri-la: there are more companies who have am chips than mentioned in thread.
16:52:16 shangri-la: still it doesn't add up totally
16:54:02 jborkl: is that a year to date or month or for the last year- people need to put dates reports
16:54:13 jborkl: dates on
16:54:51 dexX7: it's the last quartal
16:55:31 dexX7: oct 27 2013 - may 27 2014
16:55:33 dexX7: afaik
16:56:48 punkman: that's not a quarter
16:57:31 dexX7: o really?
16:58:12 nubbins`: heh
16:58:14 shangri-la: Hashratio has min 1PH, Btcgarden has min 3PH. both confirm to pay upfront. that alone amounts to 653 btc. this is not mentioning other manafacturers
17:00:32 dexX7: correction, to be very specific: "Balance sheet in May 27, 2014", "Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014"
17:02:36 shangri-la: look at this ridiculous spread between AM1 & AM100
17:03:36 nubbins`: heh
17:03:40 nubbins`: am1 is harder to move
17:03:48 bitcoinpete: and there's hardly any volume on either
17:04:22 shangri-la: I tried looking into shorting AM shares some months ago but came across nothing, anyone know some way?
17:04:40 dexX7: only otc
17:08:41 bitcoinpete: ;;ticker
17:08:51 bitcoinpete: ;;more
17:09:19 bitcoinpete: le flail
17:15:59 benkay: the challenge i'm facing for the CONference is that of whelping. it's entirely possible lady v'll be either bedridden or suckling in april.
17:20:19 nubbins`: ugh
17:20:31 asciilifeform: benkay: how does that keep you from going ?
17:20:38 nubbins`: we have this client that's always late
17:20:51 nubbins`: she was supposed to come pick up a box at 2pm today. i say "text me if you're running late"
17:21:10 nubbins`: she texts me at 2:45 saying she's just leaving now
17:21:20 nubbins`: so i lied and told her i was on my way to an appointment ;(
17:22:41 chetty: nubbins`, she would fit right in, in Argentina, I think here being on time is rude
17:22:49 nubbins`: heh
17:24:32 nubbins`: ^ thanks for the ad, slashdot
17:24:59 dexX7: x_X
17:25:27 nubbins`: (also, do not click)
17:26:29 fluffypony: nubbins`: too late
17:26:32 fluffypony: :/
17:26:46 nubbins`: D:
17:32:25 kakobrekla: !up shangri-la
17:36:24 pankkake: wow so the AM financials already account for all chips sales?
17:37:53 dexX7: there are about $8M in materials and products
17:37:56 dexX7: unsold
17:38:56 pankkake: I'm surprised they haven't sold all
17:39:04 pankkake: but I'm out of the loop of mining stuff
17:40:18 dexX7: not sure, but didn't they begin to sell only recently?
17:40:43 dexX7: i didn't really follow either
17:43:40 benkay: asciilifeform: doesn't really prevent me from going. just turns it from a 3 week trip to a 5 day trip.
17:50:39 fluffypony: somehow I imagine pankkake as the last strip
17:51:43 pankkake: paleo is not incompatible with most restaurants. not that I really care
17:52:38 pankkake: however, I'm indeed more peculiar in my daily activities
17:54:05 fluffypony: pankkake: I will probably be in Europe in September, we're going to have to come to France for a few days and do lunch with you and whoever else
17:54:54 pankkake: cool
17:57:14 pankkake: I still haven't met davout
17:57:33 fluffypony: group meeting it is
17:57:44 fluffypony: who else is in proximity to Paris?
17:58:18 pankkake: I was introduced to this channel by lainz, a parisian
17:58:22 pankkake: ;;seen lainz
17:58:25 fluffypony: closer to the time once we have our dates firmed up we can advertise it as TrollCon 2014, and give people the wrong restaurant :-P
17:58:25 pankkake: well
18:02:11 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: where else are you going in europe in sept? i'm going to be in the baltic area :D
18:02:30 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: Germany to visit the in-laws, but we can trip out from there to anywhere
18:02:38 fluffypony: in fact I'd quite like to so I don't go mad
18:03:07 fluffypony: I love my in-laws, but the conversation in my EXTREMELY limited German does get tedious
18:03:18 bitcoinpete: i'll be in riga, latvia and surrounding areas if you want to meet for lunch
18:03:23 fluffypony: sounds good
18:03:52 bitcoinpete: i hear riga has a number of excellent restaurants
18:03:59 bitcoinpete: i'll do some research
18:04:05 fluffypony: awesome
18:04:40 fluffypony: have you got dates yet? I'll probably only firm up our dates in July - waiting on things to play out before I can finalise meeting dates with guys in the EU, so the more I know now the easier it is
18:05:26 bitcoinpete: i do… aug 30 to sept 10
18:05:36 fluffypony: kk
18:09:13 BingoBoingo: moiety: You didn't even have to wait sex weeks for the flat!
18:11:14 BingoBoingo: I wonder if AM will touch IPO price today?
18:11:53 BingoBoingo: benkay: I've heard wet nurses are still a thing...
18:13:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The disinfo "One experienced Melbourne forensics bod told El Reg he had not heard of any Australian Government agencies or police units using the technique, dubbing it a trick limited to the academic realm."
18:13:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: correct. anyone who thinks the aus. gov. can't order the gizmo online like anybody else, should buy my bridge.
18:14:59 asciilifeform: said gizmo also comes with various connectors for splicing power into a running box pre-confiscation - for 'warm boot' variant of attack.
18:15:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That kit is one of those "if I had the space" toys I'd like to collect
18:15:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik it's briefcase-sized.
18:15:44 pankkake: you mean unplug the machine from the wall but still keep it running?
18:16:02 asciilifeform: pankkake: correct
18:16:10 *: kakobrekla makes it easy for the nsa
18:16:11 pankkake: omg, I need that!
18:16:14 kakobrekla: i use ups.
18:16:20 pankkake: me too
18:16:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I thought it was actually a bit smaller than that, but... books...
18:18:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thinking on the subject of your old HP workstation when I get a new place I am thinking about finding something similar (if not HP maybe SGI) for a combination local file server and end table.
18:19:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't recommend the pa-risc boxes - on account of their rarity, virtually nothing (save the satanic native os) runs 100% of the hardware.
18:19:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: debian worked, but with only one cpu initialized. to be fair, this was a decade ago.
18:20:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you dredge up an sgi, don't even think about running the traditional 'irix' - swiss cheese.
18:20:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The warnings are appreciated.
18:21:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you've become a connoisseur of vintage iron, get an 'alpha'
18:21:54 BingoBoingo: Alpha is already on the want list, those things have kept their value like nothing else.
18:23:30 BingoBoingo: Also on the wantlist is an IBM mainframe case for conversion to a bar cabinet.
18:23:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only the last alphas are costly rarities. the 1ghz and below variants are dirt cheap. i threw away 5 of them a few years ago.
18:23:53 BingoBoingo: Ah
18:24:17 asciilifeform: (after cannibalizing for spares for remaining 2)
18:24:40 asciilifeform: put on ebay - nobody bought.
18:26:32 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo what are your plans with alpha
18:27:10 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Apparently they are a great environment for playing with Genera
18:27:27 kakobrekla: a so thats what you are after.
18:27:33 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: pipeline.corante.com << old favourite haunt of great master, 'uncle' al schwartz.
18:28:34 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Also for the parachute building exercise. If I have a lot of machines an intruder has less chance of finding the "secrets" machine or machines.
18:29:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-12-2013#419649
18:29:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed.
18:30:30 kakobrekla: if your profile is high enough i can see them do it.
18:31:14 BingoBoingo: Also interesting, how much time would be spent searching system Z bar cabinet full of disco lights for things that might be data storage.
18:33:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: related: https://www.privacyinternational.org/blog/what-does-gchq-know-about-our-devices-that-we-dont
18:33:36 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah, it's always interesting when you can't trust your input devices's controllers.
18:34:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now consider why they sawed off the fluorescent inverter.
18:35:10 kakobrekla: what of importance could be logged there?
18:35:55 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: either a moronic whim of a bureaucrat - or it has storage - or it came in a diddled, radiant version.
18:36:01 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I'm guessing it's particular power characteristics might have a finger print that could help GHCQ in analyzing logged line noise.
18:37:01 asciilifeform: considering that the machine was sawed apart ceremonially in public, one is led to think of disinfo - 'let kgb think we can magically curse dc-dc converter!'
18:37:37 asciilifeform: (why was it not confiscated and boiled in oil in a dungeon, in private? or kept as trophy by fuhrer)
18:37:40 BingoBoingo: !up PierreRochard
18:39:04 *: BingoBoingo is starting to suspect a release version Loper machine might not be a man portable Lisp machine...
18:41:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: anything is portable - in pieces.
18:51:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unrelated: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/fs5000/img/301524/060/full.jpg << notice the 'mosquito net' under the lcd glass.
18:54:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there is a big box type store called "Rural King" has more useful materials for electronics security than Best Buy
18:55:49 BingoBoingo: (combination farm supply and building materials retailer)
18:58:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/fs5000/img/301524/024/full.jpg << gold in the hills
19:28:26 FabianB: '“You can calculate the probability of something bad happening in security, and present it to your executives”, she continued, “But no matter what scoring system you use, they may choose not to do anything until the probability equals 1'
20:49:03 asciilifeform: anyone actually use 'xapo' yet ?
20:49:50 asciilifeform: even if it works 'as printed on the box' - feels like gasenwagen bait.
20:49:59 asciilifeform: (not necessarily through any fault of its own)
21:56:27 kakobrekla: asciilifeform that last pic,... suppose to be tamper protection or what
21:56:58 kakobrekla: no that cant be right.
21:59:12 mike_c: jborkl: that page is busted.
21:59:15 mike_c: url isn't linked
22:00:26 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'potting.' (term of art.) this example appears to be strictly ceremonial: in examples with booby trap, there is usually a fat brick of epoxy with conductive mesh underneath.
22:00:48 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: as seen in the popular 'IBM 4758'
22:01:05 jborkl: ah I changed it sorry
22:01:19 kakobrekla: ceremonial cause its only epoxy?
22:01:26 asciilifeform: 'potting' was common in the past. it was thought to make the life of reverse-engineer slightly more difficult
22:02:11 asciilifeform: the 'votrax' voice synth that the ubiquitous unix 'speak' command was originally meant for came as a huge breadbox-sized potted turd
22:02:23 asciilifeform: full of analogue strange
22:02:55 jborkl: still very very much a work iin progress on the charts and data- I have the data bound into a bunch of charts but and working on the displays
22:03:29 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: note that the potting didn't save the gizmo: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/descrack/attack.html
22:05:33 *: kakobrekla reading
22:24:40 asciilifeform: ^ bad opsec. and, nitpick: 'durasell' is an actual battery. bought some at a 'dollar store' as student, they leaked immediately. (chinese)
22:24:59 asciilifeform: (not to be confused with common american 'duracell')
22:26:19 kakobrekla: lol the thing has xray sensor
22:37:42 kakobrekla: anyway cool stuff
23:34:40 thestringpuller: !ticker M F.MPIF
23:34:48 thestringpuller: !depth
23:34:55 thestringpuller: damn wish there was a depth command
23:35:33 thestringpuller: ;;calc 938591 * 0.00021726
23:35:40 thestringpuller: dope