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00:00:53 mircea_popescu: cazalla "Error: Network error." lol archive no werk

00:04:19 cazalla: who knows who or if it was explicitly done or deleted along with other stuff as part of usms routine

00:04:52 cazalla: so if anyone can enlighten me.. what typically happens to those that find themselves in prison during the collapse of a nation?

00:13:46 mircea_popescu: depends. one counterfitter was freed from bastille.

00:14:08 mircea_popescu: gheorghe gheorghiu dej went from common criminal to head of romanian state in a decade

00:14:16 mircea_popescu: generally, the actual criminals do quite well.

00:14:25 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt

00:15:25 deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.

00:15:25 mircea_popescu: ah come on!

00:15:25 trinque: I've asked numerous times for a list of URLs people want whitelisted.

00:15:25 trinque: I assume I should add fraudsters :D

00:15:25 mircea_popescu: trinque no but just don't check url

00:15:25 mircea_popescu: the idea being, ifsomeone absuses it we just negrate him.

00:15:25 trinque: I suppose I can dial back the paranoia

00:15:28 mircea_popescu: ty.

00:15:42 mircea_popescu: gotta give people enough room to fail, otherwise people can't be good.

00:15:51 trinque: that's reasonable

00:16:03 trinque: when I build new things I tend to err towards caution

00:16:12 mircea_popescu: understandabru

00:19:08 trinque: mircea_popescu: ok give it another go

00:19:41 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt

00:20:41 deedbot-: accepted: 1

00:20:41 mircea_popescu: yay

00:20:52 cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions

00:21:52 mircea_popescu: how's this supposed to work.

00:21:52 mircea_popescu: Summary Status: Disconnected lolk

00:21:53 cazalla: apparently you bloat unconfirmed tx so that it's great than 1mb and then you point and say see, we need an increase cause i gotta wait 20m instead of 10m for 1 confirmation

00:22:10 mircea_popescu: uhhh

00:22:15 mircea_popescu: except this doesn't work lol.

00:22:37 mircea_popescu: old coinbases still get priority.

00:22:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00031931 = 15.2949 BTC [-] {2}

00:23:20 mircea_popescu: not to even mention... fee paying txn

00:23:28 cazalla: well they probably don't have anything older than a few days anyway

00:23:56 mircea_popescu: the beauty of this being that if you have say 1000btc in one chunk

00:24:11 mircea_popescu: spending anything out of it makes BOTH the little you spent and the 999.x remainder NEW coinbases.

00:29:49 cazalla: some coincidence a bunch of folk on /r/bitcoin get together to stress test the same day gavin threatens to take his ball/bat and go home with hearn

00:30:14 mircea_popescu: imagine the "stress test" if the blocks ACTUALLY WERE 20mb.

00:30:28 mircea_popescu: one can always spin up an arbitrary number of spammy txn.

00:30:30 midnightmagic: Likely whoever it is who's paying the /r/bitcoin shills has an agenda, just like everyone else..

00:32:24 mircea_popescu: "Kipnis was not allowed to have an attorney present during her interview with Title IX investigators, she writes, but she was allowed to bring along another faculty member as a "support person" provided that the person she brought did not speak. That support person later discussed Kipnis' situation at a "Faculty Senate" meeting?and has subsequently been accused of, yes, committing a Title IX violation."

00:32:27 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.

00:32:40 mircea_popescu: i think ima start "tit 1337" investigations of random people nao.

00:32:43 mircea_popescu: why the fuck not even.

00:33:30 williamdunne: midnightmagic: I think its most likely just stupid people, nothing nefarious

00:33:32 williamdunne: Well

00:33:37 williamdunne: Outside of the stupidity that is

00:34:33 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?

00:34:33 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 16:29:47; danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32

00:38:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147755 << seems adequate. "you mean kid in a dorm somewhere dared do something we disagree with on an ideological level ?!!!1?!?!?!"

00:38:10 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/ross-ulbricht-gets-life-in-silk-roa

00:38:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147766 << pretty much the entirety of the us claims in this case are puff.

00:38:59 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:17:31; trinque: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents

00:39:03 decimation: yeah but life in prison?

00:39:51 mircea_popescu: they got money burnin holes in their pockets absolutely must buy guy's meal and doctor visits.

00:40:07 cazalla: t-bone and chorizo and then a couple persimmons for breakfast.. i am so snake full

00:40:11 mircea_popescu: what do you suppose is the difference between this life in prison and that life in prison anyway ? not like he was gonna buy himself a house.

00:40:28 decimation: he could 'buy' 'a house' though

00:40:33 mircea_popescu: so he did.

00:40:54 cazalla: don't forget the 180m he owns USG despite em selling his proceeds

00:40:56 mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all

00:41:03 mircea_popescu: you can just paint or w/e it is you wanted to do.

00:41:40 mircea_popescu: become a literary critic.

00:42:00 cazalla: but the food..

00:42:10 mircea_popescu: eh, it's about on par with what people generally eat.

00:42:21 cazalla: he'll be eating grilled cheese off the radiator

00:42:30 williamdunne: cazalla: Owes 18m, they removed what they gained from selling the coins

00:42:48 decimation: apparently in the us the strain of e.coli that eats your colon is considered to be an 'adulterant' in beef

00:42:56 mircea_popescu: williamdunne and the part they didn't sell because their own agents stole ? removed that too ?

00:42:57 mircea_popescu: lmao

00:42:58 decimation: but in chicken, simonella (which can eat your brain) isn't

00:43:09 mircea_popescu: salmonella ?

00:43:19 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all << Get yourself Bariatric, then get the life sentence for maximum cost infliction

00:43:21 cazalla: williamdunne, where do you get that from? justice.gov says "In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921."

00:43:52 williamdunne: Can't remember which article I read it on

00:43:54 williamdunne: But yeah

00:44:02 trinque: does this come out of his deodorant and titty magazine account in prison?

00:44:11 mircea_popescu: lol

00:44:14 williamdunne: Said that while he was ordered to forfeit that much they consider what they sold to contribute towards it

00:44:34 decimation: yeah salmonella

00:44:40 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Its not like that is the USGs responsibility </sarc>

00:44:49 mircea_popescu: decimation very unfair contrast, this. e coli is natural gut fauna. salmonella is never found in healthy humans.

00:44:54 decimation: apparently this comes from a court case in the 1970's

00:45:26 decimation: where the chicken lobby argued that it would be insulting to the housewives of america if the government said that they couldn't handle some salmonella contamination

00:45:31 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> salmonella ? << It Birds and reptiles it is part of their normal flora. Can't be considered an adultrant

00:45:43 mircea_popescu: but we're feeding us, not them

00:45:53 decimation: BingoBoingo: but e.coli is in beef

00:46:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00033304 = 24.0621 BTC [+] {2}

00:46:23 BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on the strain of e. coli

00:46:33 mircea_popescu: the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic

00:46:45 mircea_popescu: these are about as unlike as steel and arsenic.

00:46:53 mircea_popescu: notwithstanding you can make a steel sword and behead someone

00:47:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic << unless you are a chicken or turtle... then salmonella is just normal poop bacteria

00:47:49 mircea_popescu: well sure, i guess chicken fda has a diff take

00:49:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00033584 = 3.8118 BTC [+]

00:50:43 BingoBoingo: Most people who self diagnose salmonella usually actually test positive for campylobacter anyways when chikken makes em sick

00:51:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147779 << goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street.

00:51:15 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:22:42; decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?

00:51:24 mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D

00:54:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147788 << this is exactly irrelevant for anyone in the past. obviously, if trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head, it then follows that trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head. what of this is germane to any discussion of trotsky in any positive approach ?

00:54:45 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:25:41; ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace

00:54:59 mircea_popescu: is it related to his tooth brushing habits ? is it a function of being loose with women ?

00:55:12 mircea_popescu: that is the point. to fall from grace there must be a grace first. there isn't.

00:56:02 BingoBoingo: lol http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/#comment-25130

00:57:39 mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/OEqzSmC.png << bwahahaha.

00:58:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, cazalla and i : bringing wtf to fb normies since a while ago.

00:58:40 cazalla: normies get out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAO92foBwA

00:59:40 BingoBoingo: best thumbnail

00:59:40 mircea_popescu: dude can't even screem wtf.

00:59:40 mircea_popescu: sounds liek a prison rape.

01:00:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147807 << quite exactly.

01:00:03 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 21:45:33; trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own

01:00:31 mircea_popescu: once something gains legal relevance, there's no way to keep it from becoming severed.

01:01:47 BingoBoingo: So it seems we have a young stray cat in the neighborhood that really likes it's dinner still screaming.

01:02:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00032301 = 16.1828 BTC [-] {2}

01:02:55 cazalla: keel it! fuck i hate cats

01:02:58 BingoBoingo: All last night, every 15 minutes, squeak squeak squeak as it plays with another mouse for quite a while liek it is eating a korean octopus dish

01:03:43 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I didn't even interupt it. As much as I hated the noise, better it gets the mice than the mice get inside

01:03:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88174 @ 0.00031694 = 27.9459 BTC [-] {3}

01:03:59 cazalla: what harm is a field mouse?

01:04:13 BingoBoingo: if it gets inside it shits everywhere and dies

01:04:25 mircea_popescu: "As I've written before, Silk Road was undoubtedly a net positive for the health, safety, and liberty of most of its customers and sellers. "

01:04:34 mircea_popescu: random commentator on internets has an excewllent point

01:04:44 mircea_popescu: that the defense failed to call out the moral-panic powered prosecution

01:04:57 mircea_popescu: and to point out that the only person being helpful to the community in that room is the accused,

01:05:14 mircea_popescu: whereas the rest of the derps are essentially going on a "holy shit something we never heard of before- BURN THE WITHCq!1"

01:05:30 mircea_popescu: is perhaps the major-est failure in known legal history.

01:05:55 mircea_popescu: whenever anyone tells you that fucktarded "he who represents himself has a fool for a client", do remember : at least it won't be as bad as the silk road defense.

01:06:01 williamdunne: The lawyers derped there, big time

01:06:19 mircea_popescu: nothing one can do accidentally or untinentionally can ever be as bad as the deliberate, calculated poison the officers of the court masquerading as "defense counsel" put forth.

01:07:28 BingoBoingo: Dratel was the worst. Even Matlock would have done better and he's dead nao.

01:07:33 cazalla: BingoBoingo, but cats shit every where too

01:08:34 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Feral cats tend to not make it inside and outside of winter they don't really try to either

01:09:29 cazalla: i can't say i've ever had a problem with mice or know of anyone that has down under.. cats though? huge problem, huge shits, lots of noise

01:11:37 cazalla: fyi http://i.imgur.com/sr1rQaa.png

01:12:37 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147945 << http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/05/29#l1432915387.0

01:12:37 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:34:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?

01:13:43 decimation: mircea_popescu: what conversation were you referencing "goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street"

01:13:43 mircea_popescu: !rate cusipzzz -10 ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.

01:13:43 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6a33e02f8f285012

01:14:06 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.cusipzzz.-10:7efb49656c3c4fe3426e105cd84804e418313f0ad96ac8ae211f55148c7a83cf

01:14:06 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for cusipzzz with note: ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.

01:14:23 BingoBoingo: Well, for what it is worth this cat sucks at being feral. I went out for a cig and it was just sitting under a tree. Might be someone wanted an outdoor cat as a pet.

01:14:41 mircea_popescu: and that goes to the rest of you fuckheads. 1) i know who all of you are. this because your overlords can't keep secrets worth a shit. 2) my people are intangible or you get fucked.

01:14:41 BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget we have farms, woods, and native wild bunnies

01:14:43 mircea_popescu: should be simple enough.,

01:15:54 BingoBoingo: Oh, -otc basically a trap nao?

01:16:01 danielpbarron: defo

01:16:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo -otc has all teh "relevancy" one could ever wish for.

01:21:04 BingoBoingo: I kinda thought as much

01:36:49 midnightmagic: williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private)

01:36:57 midnightmagic: And they get paid by people they never met.

01:38:09 williamdunne: Sure, I know shills exist, I was offered some myself

01:38:21 williamdunne: I just thing the vast majority of the people are just derping

01:38:49 mircea_popescu: this is broadly true, but much like the guy with the red stapler, that vast majority doesn't actually take the time and effort to prop conde nast's numbers while derping

01:38:54 mircea_popescu: they just derp to themselves.

01:44:59 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up

01:44:59 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:20:52; cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions

01:45:13 BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) << It was Coinfire. They've done a few excellent stories in their history, but the way they operate is just so fucking... odd

01:46:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik it's just a hard working guy that is completely misguided as to what constitutes business etc.

01:46:41 mircea_popescu: "professional"

01:47:04 williamdunne: Won't even own any bitcoin because it could make him 'biased'

01:47:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That and he's got a few fresh off the reddit faces he finds to help throw up occasional extra stories

01:48:00 mircea_popescu: williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ?

01:48:18 mircea_popescu: fresh off a community college course in "introduction to journalism" from wichita ?

01:48:44 midnightmagic: I'd heard of that guy. That's the coinfire guy is it? Huh.

01:49:36 williamdunne: Financial Times writers no longer allowed to hold any commodity, currency, or other tradable asset.

01:50:01 mircea_popescu: yeah, because they were going to. all bought on the generous pay their prestigious position with the times allows them.

01:50:18 mircea_popescu: they can buy either 0 shares of any stock or no less than 0 contracts in any future.

01:53:13 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? << Whichever Timothy go hooked into working for Vox faced this dilemma. Staid with Vox to his peril

01:53:13 scoopbot_revived: The greatest failure in modern legal history, the story of Joshua Dratel http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/

01:53:31 danielpbarron: !up Bjander

01:56:08 decimation: !gettrust belxjander

01:56:08 assbot: belxjander is not registered in WoT.

01:56:20 decimation: !gettrust bjander

01:56:20 assbot: bjander is not registered in WoT.

02:04:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00031579 = 19.8158 BTC [-] {3}

02:08:27 mircea_popescu: also http://fraudsters.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-145.0-149.0 to go with that article.

02:11:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00032293 = 4.5533 BTC [+]

02:12:55 decimation: representing yourself in us court is a recipie for disaster - the government clerks do not take kindly to people

02:13:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty very much for the timing of that one

02:13:52 mircea_popescu: sure o.O

02:14:33 BingoBoingo: decimation: You can hire a lawyer, but you gotta make sure they understand they are the hired help. They deal with the clerks and the bitchwork. You do the reading and make the decisions.

02:15:17 BingoBoingo: Now how long we gotta wait on scoopy...

02:15:17 scoopbot_revived: Some Other People Sentenced This Month in US Courts http://qntra.net/2015/05/some-other-people-sentenced-this-month-in-us-courts/

02:15:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you can find someone like this, it'll usually be a paralegal.

02:16:13 *: BingoBoingo presently has a "good christian lawyer"

02:16:15 decimation: A friend told me about how a local inspector came to examine his house (which he was building himself). The inspector told him that he should have hired a professional to do the plumbing (he did, but represented his own house to the inspector)

02:16:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: but yeah you hire them for their license and make em paralegal for you

02:16:51 decimation: the inspector failed the plumbing on many counts. meanwhile the plumber who did the work had similar work passed by the same inspector on a different job

02:16:56 mircea_popescu: "Danish Syed (archived) was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his half brother move to Pakistan." o.O

02:17:29 decimation: My point is that if you represent yourself you are going to be 'presumed guilty of failing to genuflect before the government appropriately'

02:17:45 mircea_popescu: well, in cases which are essentially this to begin with...

02:17:50 decimation: exactly.

02:18:12 decimation: well, this calls to mind the 'trial' of georges danton

02:18:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On that one basically the half brother milked some fiat fails and went to Pakistan when charges hit. Syed helped some of his cash return to him.

02:18:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wow check it out, woman betrayed teh pakistani ring!

02:19:11 BingoBoingo: Tends to happen.

02:19:56 mircea_popescu: "Chrisopher Serna (archived) was sentenced to 50 years in prison by a Florida court for cutting off his girlfriend's head and sticking it on a pole."

02:19:57 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:20:02 asciilifeform: in other news:

02:20:03 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/crate.jpg

02:21:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And Serna is young enough to potentially leave jail after the full sentence

02:21:03 mircea_popescu: i like qntra.

02:21:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ?

02:21:38 williamdunne: qntra is good

02:21:40 BingoBoingo: It's amaxing the filtering we happened upon. WHen nothing happens... qntra slows share creation slows. WHen shit goes down qntra heats up again.

02:21:57 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that the other kind of board?

02:21:58 mircea_popescu: "If they continue imprisoning their betters the result is going to be technically savvy warlords."

02:22:01 decimation: 50 years is less than life

02:22:03 mircea_popescu: should bne interesting to see irl.

02:22:19 decimation: apparently mr. silk road should have just beheaded random women

02:22:31 mircea_popescu: decimation too late for him

02:22:50 mircea_popescu: apparently EVERYONE ELSE should. preferably, starting wit hthe civil service.

02:22:56 BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah, known women. Known is a mitigating circumstance

02:23:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147865 << good nyooz then, i'm loading the pistol to shoot the last vestiges of dns-in-bitcoin in the head as we speak

02:23:14 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 23:43:29; mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.

02:23:42 decimation: asciilifeform: how to replace? .conf with ips?

02:23:44 asciilifeform: and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd.

02:24:13 asciilifeform: (or not, and pass seed ip on commandline as discussed in old thread)

02:24:24 BingoBoingo: <decimation> 50 years is less than life << This kinda depends on the age of the person at time of sentencing

02:24:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nb.

02:25:30 decimation: asciilifeform: and then discover peers by asking the seed about his connections?

02:27:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147958 << prisoners in usa are 'civil dead', i.e. they cannot communicate securely or pgp-sign. ask ted kazynski. so i'll take that bullet plz

02:27:56 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:40:56; mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all

02:28:06 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/604474262259265536

02:28:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, privacy is overrated. especially in old age.

02:28:40 trinque: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << ftr I agree with this 100%. this struck me years ago, occupies my mind daily

02:29:40 mircea_popescu: !up baghodler

02:29:40 mircea_popescu: trinque aha!

02:29:40 trinque: one doesn't get to deny the blood they're covered in because "oh I wouldn't do that if I were fuhrer"

02:29:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147996 << he fell from grace. let me know when buffet, musk, gates, thiel - starve.

02:29:40 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 00:51:24; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D

02:29:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo thats a point.

02:29:40 trinque: great comic too

02:29:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what grace is this ?

02:30:21 mircea_popescu: note that for it to be accepted in the discussion, it must exist prior to the event, not merely be constructed ex post facto as a contrapositive.

02:30:56 williamdunne: mm asslag again

02:31:01 williamdunne: Guessing its freenode servers

02:32:28 decimation: it is interesting that they tried to stick hastert with this 'you lied to us about your cash' law

02:32:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148054 << with or without my two skull'n'crossbone patches ?

02:32:36 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 01:44:59; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up

02:35:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'grace' in the very general sense that these folks are untouchable (see gary condit, who even got away with killing a fucktoy) until they aren't.

02:35:24 danielpbarron: without

02:36:14 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? << next best thing. sealed sony trinitron, of what i think is the largest 4:3 size that was made.

02:36:35 BingoBoingo: Nice

02:36:46 asciilifeform: GDM-5402

02:37:19 decimation: I had a 21 inch trinitron back in the day

02:37:23 decimation: took to the dump a few years ago

02:37:28 BingoBoingo: First stint of grad school I was so pissed when fucking druggy never returned my 9" trinitron

02:37:36 asciilifeform: 2048X1536@75Hz, 1600x1280@96Hz

02:38:22 cazalla: 144hz master race

02:38:25 decimation: thing was a heavy bastard

02:38:43 asciilifeform: this one is ~40kg

02:39:01 decimation: I'm surprised they don't use those in medical applications where contrast is crtical

02:39:06 asciilifeform: rather like the identical but aged, dim unit i have already on other desk

02:39:25 asciilifeform: decimation: they did until very recently

02:39:33 asciilifeform: (they do not, as we all know, last forever)

02:39:35 *: BingoBoingo had a nice 9" trinitron rf signal display machine with integrated optical disk player. A historical, more trusting Bingo loaned it to a neighbor and gone.

02:39:40 decimation: I suppose lcds are getting better w.r.t. contrast

02:39:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the ntsc trinitrons are not comparable

02:39:55 *: asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens

02:40:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not at all, but compared to cheap LED's

02:40:15 BingoBoingo: *LCD's

02:40:27 decimation: thost little guide wires on the screen always made me a little happy

02:40:44 asciilifeform: decimation: remember the knock-offs without the guidewires ?

02:40:48 decimation: heh yeah

02:40:52 decimation: was always easy to tell

02:41:29 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens << Sometimes... the content is already ntsc encoded...

02:42:03 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/qntra/status/604477372625068033

02:43:48 decimation: yeah I remember playing nintendo on an ntsc trinitron, was better than random shit tv

02:45:05 BingoBoingo: Oh, I wasn't using this for games, but that would have been grand. I was right by a PBS station and could watch "The Victory Garden" in all its glory

02:45:48 asciilifeform: thinking of buying three more of the gdm-5402 and replacing my 'eizo's

02:45:54 asciilifeform: but not sure if house wiring can handle it

02:46:09 decimation: heh. I don't think they take that much power do they?

02:46:16 asciilifeform: or whether my desk will auger in

02:46:35 decimation: I guess 200 watts

02:46:43 decimation: yeah that's probably the first thing to fail

02:46:54 decimation: heh 70 lbs

02:46:55 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or whether my desk will auger in << What else are the studs in the walls for if not bearing weight?

02:47:04 asciilifeform: my doubleconverter ups would probably catch fire

02:47:17 asciilifeform: it's already at ~70% load

02:47:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this hovel, interestingly, has steel frame. first time i lived in such a thing. a real bitch to hang up anything in

02:48:30 asciilifeform: the only time i drilled it, broke three ordinary bits before waking up and going out to the machine shop to fetch a boron nitride one

02:49:31 BingoBoingo: Amazing. So you actually do have a frame that can handle pretty much whatever weight UPS packages can throw at it without bumping your shit down to "freight" treatment.

02:49:31 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:49:45 BingoBoingo: ^lol labcoin reference

02:50:03 asciilifeform: wai wat

02:51:02 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2013#296505

02:51:02 assbot: Logged on 09-09-2013 19:00:25; kakobrekla: amazing company

02:51:16 decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is probably a good faraday cage for low frequencies

02:51:21 decimation: your steel frame walls

02:51:50 BingoBoingo: decimation: I doubt he's as worried about submarines listening as... vans

03:03:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00031976 = 14.9808 BTC [-] {2}

03:04:49 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.felipelalli.2:20778d891b1ba5e5a1a3a10728673c4f2804e99d0b8801794a2846a253ccebba

03:04:49 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for felipelalli from 1 to 2 with note: enthusiastic aspiring writer

03:09:11 felipelalli: thank you danielpbarron!

03:11:39 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

03:11:43 gribble: Current Blocks: 358608 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 239 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47477961159.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.72402

03:13:31 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvOcII_KT8

03:14:31 decimation: whatever clicked on apparently clicked off

03:15:30 asciilifeform: decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only

03:17:56 mircea_popescu: maybe it was just noise.

03:19:16 asciilifeform: gentlemen! anyone else play with my patches from last night ?

03:19:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only << But if you replaced the drywall with classically done plaster...

03:20:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time

03:20:52 asciilifeform: imho the preoccupation with man-sized faraday cages is a classic usg idiocy

03:20:59 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time << might as well look it up nao while waiting waiting for 1nd and third opinions on the orphan slaughter

03:21:00 asciilifeform: plugging the wrong end of the funnel as always

03:21:36 asciilifeform: last i heard, they had a mobile one made for the fuhrer himself

03:21:53 asciilifeform: which he has to step out of every time he wants to check main on his iPnohe

03:21:58 asciilifeform: *mail

03:23:50 asciilifeform: !up RUchimp

03:24:05 RUchimp: No need to voice, just gonna idle and see whats goin on.

03:24:22 asciilifeform: RUchimp: consider reading the log on www

03:24:30 asciilifeform: RUchimp: log.bitcoin-assets.com

03:24:49 decimation: asciilifeform: did you see this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/28/avago_broadcom/

03:25:49 BingoBoingo: RUchimp: Introductions never hurt

03:25:49 decimation: avago is probably going to slice and dice broadcom, sell off peices

03:25:58 asciilifeform: if broadcom were hit by plague or asteroids, i'm not certain that i would notice or care

03:26:03 asciilifeform: and would certainly shed not one tear.

03:26:13 asciilifeform: unfortunately, their products will remain with us.

03:26:40 decimation: heh yeah agreed

03:27:01 RUchimp: \Sorry, using a different handle

03:27:20 decimation: interestingly it was acquired by the former hp semiconductor division based in singapore, run by chinese

03:28:02 decimation: asciilifeform: also related http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/business/dealbook/intel-takeover-of-altera-is-expected.html

03:29:02 decimation: intel is gonna buy altera, after minting their chips for years

03:29:02 *: asciilifeform waits for cocacola to buy pepsi

03:29:02 decimation: heh

03:29:15 decimation: more like pepsi being bought by its combined bottlers

03:29:26 asciilifeform: the not-so-secret here is that intel wants to bake fpga directly on x86 die

03:29:29 asciilifeform: for the usg market

03:29:41 asciilifeform: which orbits around deep-packet shenanigans and likes fpga

03:29:50 decimation: sure

03:29:54 asciilifeform: and infinite money

03:30:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8982 @ 0.00033584 = 3.0165 BTC [+]

03:30:12 decimation: but what's the probability that intel can deliver this functionality with non-retarded tools?

03:30:39 asciilifeform: decimation: there is no question of non-retarded tools. in so far as is known, intel's entire toolchain is winblows

03:31:07 asciilifeform: even their joke of an 'open' bios is built in vs, with megs (yes) of .bat script as build chain

03:31:25 asciilifeform: at any rate, this product is 'not for people'

03:32:04 decimation: also note that this is a tacit admission by intel that they can mint lots of transistors but have no idea how their customers want the transistors to be arranged

03:32:37 asciilifeform: afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked

03:33:07 decimation: yeah they keep trying to make mobile shit

03:34:03 decimation: the writing on the wall is that the xeon stuff isn't gonna keep making money forever, especially when intel can only deliever 20% improvement per 5 years

03:34:46 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked << I remember the netbook dying as soon as AMD had chips that could win this niche.

03:37:53 decimation: umm, where are amd netbooks?

03:38:05 decimation: netbook died because it cut out profits for everyone

03:38:30 decimation: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/tisa-yet-another-leaked-treaty-youve-never-heard-makes-secret-rules-internet/ < "But the latest leak has revealed more. The agreement would also prohibit countries from enacting free and open source software mandates"

03:39:30 *: asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard

03:39:30 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but did you notice that the tablets that 'replaced' the netbook have less functionality?

03:39:42 asciilifeform: naturally

03:39:53 decimation: and cost twice as much

03:46:29 trinque: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/tech-tips-and-tricks/streaming-tv-shows.html << this was a particularly weird market for intel to get into, afaik nothing has come of it

03:47:29 trinque: hm that one doesn't describe exactly what I was looking for

03:47:29 trinque: I recall Intel saying they were going to make their own streaming service

03:48:00 trinque: http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/27/intels-planned-streaming-tv-service-is-stalling-hard/

03:49:00 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard << Life for it I saw on campuses was people who wanted laptop, but didn't want to carry a laptop. Same people the next years I saw with heavier tablet/keyboard combos

03:49:35 trinque: http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2014/01/21/verizon-to-purchase-intel-media-assets << bahahaha

03:51:23 BingoBoingo: netbook as notetaking machine was a solid niche

03:52:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the crapification of 'netbook' stands out in clear, cartoon colours when compared with something like the 1997-1999 toshiba 'libretto'

03:52:40 BingoBoingo: yeah

03:52:40 asciilifeform: machine in all respects similar, but with decent keyboard and sans the 'disposable' chinese plastic feel

03:52:45 trinque: asciilifeform: apparently now refers to a tablet monstrosity http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/libretto

03:53:45 asciilifeform: all models after '110ct' were halfway to the kind of garbage now familiar as 'netbook'

03:53:45 danielpbarron: http://www.heca.be/museum/A_Portege610CT.jpg << i used one of these things with debian

03:54:45 asciilifeform: ^ that's an ordinary laptop

03:54:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61950 @ 0.00033467 = 20.7328 BTC [-] {3}

03:56:27 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah where are modern 'librettos' or hp lx200s?

03:56:53 asciilifeform: decimation: in the same place as modern lisp machine

03:57:02 decimation: or a portable machine with error correcting memory?

03:57:31 asciilifeform: nowhere, unless mircea_popescu had one hand-soldered for his use by pretty gurlz

03:57:48 mircea_popescu: laptocks sup.

03:58:43 asciilifeform: !b 3

03:58:43 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EFW6G6.txt )

03:59:15 decimation: mircea_popescu: why is a laptop worse than a standard workstation console?

03:59:27 decimation: other than the obvious ergonomic issues

03:59:46 asciilifeform: why is a pine stake worse than a bar stool?

03:59:47 mircea_popescu: othar than ?

03:59:49 asciilifeform: other than the ergonomic issues

03:59:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google laptop si oo coapte

03:59:52 gribble: Istanbul selamlar! on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/istanbul-selamlar; Copilaria anilor `80 - inceputul anilor `90 - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8RgzvzwlVQ; Cozonac Rosenkrantz - Retete Aluaturi dulci - Gastronomie online ...: http://gourmandine.ro/retete-aluaturi-dulci/cozonac-rosenkrantz/

03:59:59 mircea_popescu: google, you suck.

04:00:19 mircea_popescu: decimation the notion of carrying a portable cooker in your lap as a male should be pretty self-defeating

04:00:23 decimation: yes, but in exchange for poor posture, you gain 'can carry with luggage'

04:00:39 decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, don't rest it on your balls

04:00:43 mircea_popescu: because what, i'm the servant, and gotta make do with whatever ?

04:00:43 trinque: lol I try to keep the thing away from the balls

04:00:46 mircea_popescu: luggage is what i say it is

04:00:52 mircea_popescu: not what some clerk somewhere feels like lifting up

04:00:55 asciilifeform: e.g. trinitron

04:01:43 asciilifeform: (what do you do when clerk drops the trinitron ?)

04:01:53 mircea_popescu: but all this aside, not that more's needed : i never bought a premade computer in my lyf.

04:01:56 asciilifeform: charge the airline what it'd cost to blow a new one ?

04:01:57 mircea_popescu: i don't see why i would, either.

04:01:58 decimation: or you want information in your console while in transit

04:02:28 decimation: that's a better argument, but still lame given that most computing components use close designs; firmware

04:02:45 decimation: in fact, why not use a stallman 'libreboot' laptop?

04:02:48 mircea_popescu: by this reason, since all humans use closed designs, there's no benefit to accounting

04:02:49 mircea_popescu: cmon.

04:02:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116553 @ 0.00033976 = 39.6 BTC [+] {4}

04:02:56 mircea_popescu: the fact that i decide the matches is actually sufficient.

04:03:16 cazalla: http://dpaste.com/28TJGEE.txt interest part of an aussie article

04:04:16 cazalla: interesting even

04:04:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, at some point one of us needs to write the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article.

04:04:16 mircea_popescu: i thought it was written

04:04:16 asciilifeform: not afaik

04:04:16 asciilifeform: iirc it exists as two sentences in an old mircea_popescu piece, and several dozen lines of log here

04:04:58 decimation: !s diddling

04:04:59 assbot: 70 results for 'diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=diddling

04:04:59 mircea_popescu: well then go for it!

04:05:24 trinque: ^ I'd have expected far more

04:05:34 *: asciilifeform shiva hands full, will be writing broadcast -and- testing 32 rng units this weekend

04:06:04 trinque: any idea what a cardano might cost yet?

04:06:07 decimation: asciilifeform: I certainly understanding that having firmware in hand is not a full defense against diddling, but it is a strong start

04:07:36 asciilifeform: trinque: as a rough guide, expect it to cost around what your computer cost.

04:08:20 asciilifeform: (deliberately roomy set of bounds here, yes)

04:08:33 trinque: yep

04:08:46 decimation: raspberry pi or xeon server?

04:08:54 trinque: as the thing has no real alternative.. should command a price that reflects it

04:09:17 asciilifeform: trinque: understand that the first crate will be given to mircea_popescu, who has the unenviable chore of deciding precisely what to do with it

04:09:27 trinque: ah k

04:10:11 mircea_popescu: i've had worse.

04:10:25 *: asciilifeform tries to picture this 'worse'

04:10:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what are we looking at here, product available by autumn ?

04:11:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if our manufacturing phriends continue their good work, then very much so. incidentally i am in the process of investigating a possible alternative firm

04:11:28 asciilifeform: just in case.

04:11:40 mircea_popescu: cool.

04:12:51 *: asciilifeform really wishes presently that someone might fix the engine in therealbitcoin train, because presently it appears to only move when i push it

04:14:22 asciilifeform: for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ?

04:14:38 asciilifeform: it is necessary for, e.g., pogo

04:14:50 asciilifeform: and overall retardation removal

04:15:26 mircea_popescu: lol conductor's fallacy eh.

04:15:53 asciilifeform: ?

04:20:42 mircea_popescu: jurov's trying to get you folks to stop ruining his mailer an mod6's been profiling to quote jus' off top of head

04:22:56 cazalla: how's this.. muh bank uses this select 3 icons from 9 icons as 2FA when logging in except they've recently changed all the icons except the 3 i use to login

04:23:28 trinque: probably did that for everbody, and made some distinction about "legacy" icons or some nonsense

04:24:45 trinque: re: bitcoind thread, I'm a hair above useless in C++, and also swapping heavily; however, maybe a page on the foundation site for available missions might help?

04:24:47 mircea_popescu: lulzy

04:25:16 trinque: as somebody who might have an afternoon here or there, that plus the right sequence of patches to get to whatever the present state is would help me contribute time efficiently

04:25:26 mircea_popescu: trinque it's a republic not a corporation, ppls are supposed to pick up stuff they're good at and a good fit for

04:26:10 mircea_popescu: corporation is "gotta give everyone something to fill their company hours with"

04:26:17 asciilifeform: l0l

04:26:19 trinque: yeah, that makes sense

04:26:58 *: asciilifeform fondling argentine 100 peso banknote in left hand, notices mention of 'social justice' on one side

04:28:39 trinque: probably no easy way to make the deturding casual side-work

04:29:04 asciilifeform: l0l what do you suppose it is for me

04:29:13 trinque: hey man, you lamented the lack of hands

04:29:26 trinque: I suspect we all have to eat

04:29:40 trinque: however, when the republic starts its first software company give me a holler :D

04:29:54 asciilifeform: eh you need money for that

04:30:00 trinque: actually, I guess the ministry of games takes that cake

04:30:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform el minimo respeto!

04:30:24 *: asciilifeform falls d0wn

04:30:50 mircea_popescu: trinque speaking of which, game got icons! for all the... 1k!!11 items involved.

04:30:54 mircea_popescu: and player models.

04:30:55 mircea_popescu: and so on.

04:30:59 trinque: nice

04:31:10 trinque: I downloaded it for to be checking out maybe this weekend

04:31:17 mircea_popescu: nah not released yet.

04:31:21 trinque: ah ok

04:31:28 mircea_popescu: that's an old version, 0.1 will be coming out!

04:31:28 trinque: found a link somewheres

04:31:32 trinque: sweet!

04:32:01 mircea_popescu: currently it's 0.0.4 iirc

04:57:19 decimation: !up liquidassets

04:59:38 liquidassets: Can't wait to lose the chaff when they go on their fork

05:00:39 liquidassets: https://medium.com/@allenpiscitello/how-the-great-fork-will-occur-160f0e462371

05:11:51 danielpbarron: liquidassets, nice work

05:13:35 liquidassets: I'm mostly spectator for now

05:13:43 liquidassets: but it's interesting to watch

05:14:01 liquidassets: plenty of skin in the game..

05:14:20 liquidassets: you know what this world lacks? at least the world I've grown up in..?

05:14:30 liquidassets: discernment

05:14:53 liquidassets: no one knows who the fuck knows what they're actually talking about

05:15:30 liquidassets: no one knows how to shut their mouth, put their head down, and follow.

05:16:14 danielpbarron: speaking of which, get in the WoT

05:16:27 liquidassets: Or discern what is what or who is real

05:23:28 mircea_popescu: liquidassets who're you ?

05:23:59 liquidassets: mirchea_popescu: right here

05:24:25 liquidassets: ok..uncloaked this time again..unsure about my gpg skills

05:25:19 liquidassets: I always seem to lose the ability to log on..seems I have the best luck with the link to irc #b-a from the mainpage

05:25:52 liquidassets: but have had a terrible time using colloquy from my desktop

05:26:45 mircea_popescu: ;;google colloquy

05:26:46 gribble: Colloquy: IRC, SILC & ICB Client: http://colloquy.info/; COLLOQUY | Loyalty Talks: https://www.colloquy.com/; Colloquy | Definition of colloquy by Merriam-Webster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colloquy

05:27:04 liquidassets: ok, here goes: newb me..liquidassets this time

05:27:07 mircea_popescu: i think everyone here uses xchat or irssi

05:28:44 mircea_popescu: !up liquidassets

05:31:04 danielpbarron: handle 20 MB blocks right now.

05:31:10 danielpbarron: do support bigger blocks and sooner rather than later. But we cannot

05:31:34 danielpbarron: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34157036/ >> Hello. I am from F2Pool. We are currently mining the biggest blocks on the network. So far top 100 biggest bitcoin blocks are all from us. We

05:36:54 decimation: pete_dushenski: are you still in der Schweiz?

05:37:31 liquidassets: fuck yeah Pete's here

05:38:56 liquidassets: pete_dushenski: I remember when I beat you 15-0: 15-0 weren't you at that Vancouver tournament?

05:40:10 danielpbarron: !up pete_dushenski

05:40:18 pete_dushenski: thx dan !

05:40:24 pete_dushenski: liquidassets eh ?

05:40:51 pete_dushenski: i'm guessing you mean badminton, but i don't recall having ever played in vancouver

05:40:57 liquidassets: Heh he, so you remember then

05:41:01 pete_dushenski: not that i was never bagelled.

05:41:13 liquidassets: okay maybe you got a few points

05:41:34 pete_dushenski: liquidassets would i remember your irl name ?

05:41:50 liquidassets: Looks like you do..?

05:42:07 pete_dushenski: lol nope.

05:42:38 liquidassets: oh nvrmind dan p..

05:43:15 pete_dushenski: i played tournies in montreal, winnipeg, saskatoon, calgary, edmonton... and golf tournaments in victoria... but i really dun think i played badminton in vancouver.

05:43:35 liquidassets: hmm maybe not, but you look pretty familiar, I'm almost certain we were at a few of the same tourneys

05:44:08 liquidassets: I've played in Montreal and Calgary if I remember correctly, I know for sure I was in Quebec

05:44:36 liquidassets: we're talking 96' maybe..

05:45:07 pete_dushenski: then you're mistaken, my man.

05:45:13 pete_dushenski: i was playing 5-10 years later.

05:46:29 liquidassets: did you start later?

05:46:43 pete_dushenski: decimation yup, au lausanne aujourd'hui

05:46:51 liquidassets: yeah I was done by 2000

05:47:19 decimation: sounds like a nice place

05:47:20 pete_dushenski: decimation finally get to lean on my french a bit !

05:47:27 pete_dushenski: liquidassets later than what ?

05:47:38 decimation: heh yeah isn't the north and central more german-speaking?

05:47:40 pete_dushenski: 2000 ? ya

05:47:47 pete_dushenski: decimation mhm

05:48:02 pete_dushenski: though in bern, everyone says "merci"

05:48:08 pete_dushenski: instead of danke

05:48:24 pete_dushenski: even though hardly anyone but bartenders speaks a lick of french

05:49:14 pete_dushenski: liquidassets did you ever win any tournaments ?

05:50:32 liquidassets: Any? sure

05:50:59 pete_dushenski: such as ?

05:51:17 liquidassets: I thought for sure we played doubles at some point. Haven't been into it for awhile

05:51:57 liquidassets: no big tournaments..actually I won one mixed doubles international tournament. My partner I was set up with was from Taipei

05:51:58 pete_dushenski: liquidassets well, the "p" surname doesn't really give me much to go on.

05:52:26 liquidassets: you were talking to the other dan...

05:53:38 pete_dushenski: when ? where ? be specific man. we don't have to dance around all day

05:54:39 mircea_popescu: laters mob

05:54:39 liquidassets: Manhattan Beach used to have an international badminton tournament every year

05:55:33 pete_dushenski: adios mp !

05:55:42 liquidassets: Canadians always made a showing, Peru, Argentina, Taipei, Jamaica..

05:55:48 liquidassets: ever go to it?

05:56:02 pete_dushenski: can't say i did.

05:56:43 liquidassets: How far did you take it? Were you on a national team or did you just fuck around in high school?

05:56:44 decimation: !up liquidassets

05:56:48 decimation: !up pete_dushenski

05:56:59 pete_dushenski: thx decimation

05:57:07 decimation: np

05:58:06 pete_dushenski: liquidassets played nationals 3 times, played club tournaments for 7-8 years, played college and won a few tournaments, won high school provincials

06:01:02 pete_dushenski: "I know most blocks would not be 20 MB over night. But only if a small fraction of blocks more than 10 MB, it could dramatically increase of our orphan rate, result of higher fee

06:01:02 pete_dushenski: to miners." << suck it, gavin.

06:02:27 pete_dushenski: there's your consensus for you.

06:02:46 pete_dushenski: there's your "community"

06:03:08 pete_dushenski: that, a trillion sm accounts, and $5 buys you coffee

06:03:41 liquidassets: pete_dushenski what game did you like better singles or doubles?

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06:04:44 pete_dushenski: liquidassets i was always a better doubles player. i'm too big, too white, and my size 12s are too slow to compete in singles.

06:05:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00034311 = 8.2861 BTC [+]

06:05:44 pete_dushenski: i was a strong defensive doubles player in my heyday.

06:06:13 pete_dushenski: today, i'm in better physical shape and can play singles and offensive doubles just as well.

06:06:39 liquidassets: Haha nice

06:06:47 pete_dushenski: though my joints don't have the endurance to play 10 games in a day anymore so i just play for fun once a week or so.

06:07:38 pete_dushenski: liquidassets were you more proficient at singles or doubles ?

06:10:25 pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out

06:13:01 liquidassets: Doubles is more technical and more fun to play, by 16 I was hardly mediocre in singles at the international level

06:16:04 pete_dushenski: notbad.

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07:50:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15934 @ 0.00032933 = 5.2475 BTC [-]

08:51:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22808 @ 0.0003348 = 7.6361 BTC [+]

09:13:25 mircea_popescu: on the topic of "the broken husk of a world the imbeciles born before us left behind", and the sacrifices ~IT~ must make to redeem itself and become acceptable for us, http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/#comment-114388

09:14:25 mircea_popescu: chick has an excellent description (in her area of interest) that is not merely of the area in question, but of the world in general

09:14:25 mircea_popescu: which is the common and imo sensible criterion to distinguish the artist from the common (wo)man : the world in a raindrop effect.

09:20:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33613 @ 0.0003348 = 11.2536 BTC [+]

09:23:45 mircea_popescu: and in otherr news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/147ea479fbb07dce5fdc500b8e0466f2/tumblr_mlq5ceoTQT1qz8guyo1_500.gif

09:40:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00033135 = 3.349 BTC [-]

09:47:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19343 @ 0.00033135 = 6.4093 BTC [-]

09:47:08 scoopbot_revived: OKCoin Ver Dispute Escalates http://qntra.net/2015/05/okcoin-ver-dispute-escalates/

09:49:11 cazalla: that is probably the worst tumblr link i've yet to see in here

09:50:04 mircea_popescu: cazalla nice.

09:50:13 mircea_popescu: haha, why ?

09:50:49 mircea_popescu: "raffic which is claimed by Zhang to be around 2500 unique visitors per day." lulziest part.

09:53:01 cazalla: because not even samuel l jackson had that in mind when he said he eats everything

09:53:47 cazalla: fuck, got my zhous and zhangs mixed up

09:54:18 mircea_popescu: you never ate a chicks nose drool ?

09:54:18 cazalla: these guys just moved on from alibaba to bitcoin it seems

09:54:37 cazalla: not consciously but hey whatever pleases you

09:54:58 cazalla: you do all sorts of crazy shit on that sherm eh

09:55:11 mircea_popescu: apparently.

09:55:31 cazalla: watched that last night, at least for the first time in full, not a bad movie

09:55:52 mircea_popescu: true romance ? it's great, provided you have the director's cut

09:56:29 mircea_popescu: what the studio released is piss. and the comparison an interesting exercise in how "management" can fuck up a movie even when having everything needed for greatness in a neat package.

09:57:04 cazalla: well shit, i'm not sure which copy i have

09:57:24 mircea_popescu: does it end with them on a beach ?

09:57:32 cazalla: yeah, with a kid

09:57:34 mircea_popescu: piss.

09:58:44 cazalla: what's the difference, just the ending?

09:59:42 mircea_popescu: some bits here and there, and the ending, yeah.

09:59:56 mircea_popescu: but qt was fucking incensed at the time, and i agree he had a point.

10:01:37 chetty: I been hearing an ad for a TV show ...Dark Web, apparently all about Silk Road

10:02:18 cazalla: mr robot?

10:02:29 cazalla: 8chan.net/pol is pretty sure that one is about them

10:02:53 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJNZF3LR0VM

10:04:13 mircea_popescu: cazalla kinda what adolescents have been doing since forever, neh ? pick a movie/music video/whatevs and imagine it was "about them".

10:06:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.00032933 = 19.8915 BTC [-]

10:09:08 cazalla: well it wouldn't be the first time tv writers have use chans for story lines

10:10:10 mircea_popescu: or vice-versa >D

10:11:14 cazalla: yeah that too.. other idea is that the writers are shitposting about their show to drum up some viral marketing type shit knowing that /pol/ will and has run with it

10:11:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, in fairness what i'm saying is that i don't believe that chan is impressive enough in bodycount to constitute a market anyone would wish to cater to, creating the tv version of hot topic, nor intellectually impressive enough to constitute anyone's thought leadership.

10:11:36 mircea_popescu: but i could be wrong on either score, obviously.

10:12:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75700 @ 0.00032838 = 24.8584 BTC [-] {3}

10:12:25 mircea_popescu: if you feel like giving me a top 5 or whatever most relevant ideas coming out of /pol/ i'd read it.

10:13:09 cazalla: 5 might be a little tough

10:13:47 mircea_popescu: i'll take anything.

10:16:34 cazalla: well i guess the multi-culti immigration might be a start, not that i mind immigrants but i think they are somewhat right in that it undermines social trust in a community

10:17:08 mircea_popescu: this is by no means a novel point, or all that aptly expressed there, is it ?

10:18:22 cazalla: i just see my own anecdotes mirrored there.. grew up in a homogeneous society where everywhere knew everyone.. 25 years later that is no longer the case

10:18:59 cazalla: but then the argument usually veers towards this being the fault of jews

10:19:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00032781 = 14.2925 BTC [-]

10:19:13 cazalla: but then that is sorta like blacks blaming whites for their predicament

10:19:40 mircea_popescu: well at least it's not blaming the freemasons.

10:19:50 mircea_popescu: or loose women

10:20:00 cazalla: they blame both of those too

10:20:20 mircea_popescu: (actually, there IS a trend of angry older men trying to make these issues about "whores", but general social discourse's keeping them well repressed atm)

10:20:26 mircea_popescu: ahga.

10:21:07 cazalla: they blame loose women for the down fall of the family unit

10:21:26 cazalla: don't get me wrong.. i like the idea of a strong family unit.. but i also like the idea of loose whores provided the strong family doesn't find out

10:22:17 mircea_popescu: anyway i suspect there isn't a way out. historically, the "civilised world" was rich and powerful because it enjoyed a monopoly on trade, built out of scientific and military effort. the twerps in question, joe average, decided to quit supporting the industrial-military complex (chiefly because they got burned twice in 16-18 and then in 39-44, and it hurt badly, esp the 2nd time, and so it's understandable)

10:22:29 mircea_popescu: as a result, it collapsed, and as a result there is absolutely no reason they should make more than a dollar a day.

10:22:43 mircea_popescu: which is where everyone's headed, from alabama to tasmania.

10:23:02 mircea_popescu: which i don't see any problem whatsoever with, but then again i'm privileged, or as alf put it, "rootless kosmopolitanski"

10:23:03 cazalla: so i still read /pol/ daily but i can easily point out where i am hypocritcal on just about everything discussed there.. do as i say, not as i do sort of thing is really what it comes down to

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10:24:31 mircea_popescu: the question of "what exactly is so speshul about joe doe that he should live other than in a hovel like random nigerian" is paramount, and none of the anti-imigration types seem inclined to address it.

10:24:36 mircea_popescu: so... why is he special ?

10:25:17 mircea_popescu: once we get an answer to that we can start discussing how to oppress the nigerian again, at which point "immigration policy" may be on the agenda. not befoar.

10:26:46 mircea_popescu: and the family unit is more of the same. why should 85% have any access to women at all, and why should the 1% not get 94% of all the pleasantly nubile stoyas out there, with the remainder 6% going to the 14% aspirational betas ?

10:27:55 cazalla: well he's not special and in saying that, i'm not special, but i like but can't explain my desire of social cohesion, which is why i like the hitler videos with endless crowds

10:28:18 mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.

10:28:21 cazalla: i don't have egalitarian values so that the minority get the majority of anything does not bother me

10:29:10 mircea_popescu: cazalla there is something to be said for social cohesion, the problem with it is that it tends to flow towards all-germany / all-russia sort of constructs.

10:29:21 mircea_popescu: either trench warfare or "great leap forward" sorta crap.

10:29:55 mircea_popescu: society (as an immanent beast in human affairs) is scared to death of it, these days. i can see why.

10:30:10 mircea_popescu: i suspect for a while yet the only real social cohesion to be head will be in mmorpg raiding parties.

10:30:15 mircea_popescu: had*

10:31:12 mircea_popescu: previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow, which i find very weird.

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10:32:39 cazalla: i would guess because the last thing that matters is the music.. it's all seating arrangements etc now

10:33:23 cazalla: tickets, cds, tshirts.. it's an expensive hobby these days

10:34:49 mircea_popescu: maybe so

10:34:59 cazalla: mmorpg raids is an interesting thought.. i wonder what race demos of that is

10:35:17 mircea_popescu: i personally care a lot more about the fact that there are no movies/bands/anything worth going to see

10:35:33 mircea_popescu: than the fact that some random immigrant's drooling over random 16yo neighbour.

10:36:09 cazalla: my problem with immigrants is that i grew up knowing my neighbours, my community, it was homogeneous and everyone knew everyone (also was a small town)

10:36:34 mircea_popescu: broadway's fucking dead, think about it - it was born out of the need to provide entertainment on the cheap for the hordes of stated insland escapees

10:36:35 cazalla: in the suburbs just outside the city there is none of that and the idea that you know who lives around you is a foreign idea to everyone i've met down here

10:36:42 mircea_popescu: and now... what ? da fuck does it do.

10:37:55 mircea_popescu: cazalla well the idea of community based on geographic proximity / random accident like that is certainly taken a beating on account of the internets. used to be you had a shot at random neighouring cunt just on the grounds of being neighbouring, at some point.

10:38:14 mircea_popescu: nowadays location's nigh on irrelevant.

10:38:16 cazalla: yes i remember a fraudsters article along the lines of this

10:38:39 cazalla: or maybe it was discussed in logs but made sense in any case

10:38:45 mircea_popescu: prolly was.

10:40:27 cazalla: pol also made it clear that prior generations always had one that came after it which was seen as worse than the one before it, at least until now

10:40:44 mircea_popescu: not true.

10:40:50 cazalla: it's sorta agreed there that this might be the first generation which is more of a pussy than the last

10:40:52 mircea_popescu: human civilisation fails periodically.

10:41:18 mircea_popescu: russia and central europe had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 90s.

10:41:43 mircea_popescu: china had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 30s, that's what the entire revolution was about. china actually has lots of these.

10:42:19 mircea_popescu: pick a country and i'll tell you at least one example.

10:42:39 cazalla: i believe you, just sorta reveals the size of the timeline you and i think on

10:42:48 mircea_popescu: austria had one during friedrich's reign and most of europe had one in the 1790s / 1800s

10:42:54 cazalla: the world began in 1982, didn't ya know? :P

10:42:59 mircea_popescu: ah, there is that.

10:43:56 mircea_popescu: heck, woodstock is exactly this "you suck" moment of the us. much blander than historically the norm.

10:45:10 mircea_popescu: (friedrich of teschen, for the readership. ww1 implosion)

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11:21:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00034357 = 14.3956 BTC [+] {3}

11:28:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137400 @ 0.00034518 = 47.4277 BTC [+] {2}

11:40:18 scoopbot_revived: Tiganii daca erau... http://fraudsters.com/2015/tiganii-daca-erau/

12:02:26 mircea_popescu: incidentally re https://twitter.com/stoya/status/604010790950150144 BingoBoingo danielpbarron or anyone still having a shitter acct : tell the girl i'm giving her 1 bitcoin and help her collect ?

12:02:42 mircea_popescu: but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it.

12:06:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00034537 = 16.8195 BTC [+] {2}

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12:28:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148454 << lol this should be fun to watch.

12:28:19 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 06:10:25; pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out

12:31:23 mircea_popescu: hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo.

12:32:25 *: mircea_popescu would like to see a pink wv beetle with an avenger gun mounted.

12:33:54 mircea_popescu: "it can do 0-100 in 27 seconds going forward on the engine and 0-100 in 0.5 seconds going backwards on the gun"

12:39:41 cazalla: heh

12:42:59 mircea_popescu: "it also can take out any police vehicle in one shot"

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14:07:30 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Doing

14:09:02 williamdunne: Done

14:40:50 mircea_popescu: danke

14:40:55 mircea_popescu: !up yang

14:41:10 mircea_popescu: yang what is this fsf thing doing ? is it still even active ?

14:43:24 punkman: http://sakurity.com/blog/2015/05/21/starbucks.html probably how some of the 50% discount starbuck giftcards were created

14:47:21 mircea_popescu: mthreat ^ :D

14:49:34 mircea_popescu: punkman in any case, chasing around these idiots trying to help them is a stupid idea.

14:49:50 mircea_popescu: take their money, let them come here and beg for getting it back.

14:50:26 mircea_popescu: force them to have someone on 24/7 with a valid gpg sign, the works.

14:50:32 mircea_popescu: respect is earned, at the point of a pointed stick.

14:51:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15184 @ 0.00034634 = 5.2588 BTC [+] {3}

14:55:44 punkman: I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies

14:56:17 mircea_popescu: they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess.

14:56:21 mircea_popescu: perhaps overly optimistic.

14:56:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00034076 = 30.7706 BTC [-] {2}

15:02:36 punkman: best case you get $3.50, worst case you get sued/arrested. doesn't make much sense.

15:05:18 williamdunne: A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness

15:31:56 mircea_popescu: williamdunne none of these shits that figure they own the world.

15:38:35 williamdunne: deedbot http://dpaste.com/16GTVPC.txt

15:39:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00034659 = 9.9818 BTC [+] {2}

15:39:35 williamdunne: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/16GTVPC.txt

15:40:35 deedbot-: accepted: 1

15:59:23 mircea_popescu: that's the most peculiar invoice i ever saw. yo udon't say who's invoicing, who's being invoiced, it references no contract, how's anyone to use that ? (not that it's any of my business)

16:01:32 mircea_popescu: !rate deedbot- 1 trinque's notary bot.

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16:08:54 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah, its fairly informal

16:16:01 danielpbarron: !up t

16:16:03 danielpbarron: !up rwg

16:25:09 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147849 i don't see any "venting to the street there" it's supposed to hat the air indoors in winter

16:25:09 assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 23:23:02; assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.

16:25:49 jurov: *heat the air... and since it's needed only seasonally, it can be upgraded every summer, i suppose

16:39:55 mod6: <+asciilifeform> for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ? << I was planning to test this on the gentoo box that I built, but it was AWS. I'm going to be picking up a cheap box this weekend to finish up the gentoo guide & then test how it compiles with uclibc afterward. I'm putting in a line about it in the SoBA this month.

16:42:41 mod6: And my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 237452

17:12:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210600 @ 0.00034101 = 71.8167 BTC [-] {4}

17:15:03 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [10:29] previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow << it mutated into the 'festival' circuit

17:16:03 asciilifeform: jurov: the article specifically mentioned that the server runs continuously, but the house thermostat controls a selectable vent to the street (hence must be installed on an outer wall)

17:23:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148530 << i don't remember the turks having had 'instagram' ...

17:23:57 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 10:28:18; mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.

17:26:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148572 << i somehow missed the explanation, if there ever was one, re: the how, what, and why of stoya

17:26:14 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 12:02:42; mircea_popescu: but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it.

17:27:18 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148577 << what does mircea_popescu picture american shootouts being conducted with? panzerfaust ?

17:27:18 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 12:31:23; mircea_popescu: hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo.

17:29:10 asciilifeform: 'The unpleasant part is a guy from Starbucks calling me with nothing like ?thanks? but mentioning ?fraud? and ?malicious actions? instead. Sweet!' << moral: sell it to spammers next time. for btc.

17:29:22 asciilifeform: 'give war a chance' (TM) (R)

17:30:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148595 << actually i suspect i know why. they want to eat. (there is still a misguided notion floating around that 'disclosure' can get you hired as 'seekoority' business)

17:30:53 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 14:55:44; punkman: I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies

17:31:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148596 << except that they approximately don't exist. average schmuck knows of nothing like a reasonably safe way to monetize an 0day

17:31:49 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 14:56:17; mircea_popescu: they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess.

17:32:25 asciilifeform: hell, i'm personally sitting on a stash of 0days that i can't do anything practical with.

17:32:40 asciilifeform: and this is likely true for most folks who have even a passing interest in reversing

17:33:10 asciilifeform: if you don't have an 'in' to the correct 'world', you're out in the cold.

17:33:57 asciilifeform: can either publish, anonymously or jailably; or sit on it. those are the choices.

17:35:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148600 << -nobody- pays anything like what the goods are worth in the underground.

17:35:45 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 15:05:18; williamdunne: A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness

17:36:06 asciilifeform: 'bug bounties' are without exception - sad jokes

17:38:54 asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?

17:39:46 asciilifeform: this sorta dovetails into mircea_popescu's 'schmucks can't own gold' article

17:41:21 asciilifeform: see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'

17:44:32 asciilifeform: back to the 0day thing - it is what is known as a 'tournament market.'

17:44:53 asciilifeform: where folks sweat and kill themselves with digging for free, in hopes of getting a few crumbs from the master's table.

17:45:34 asciilifeform: a select few have the meatwot to actually profit.

17:45:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-03-2015#1064083

17:45:46 assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 16:53:09; assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.

17:46:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044115

17:46:03 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:25; mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.

18:10:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00033725 = 24.6193 BTC [-] {3}

18:12:19 chetty: see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'//worthy action

18:15:54 jurov: !up liquidassets

18:16:22 liquidassets: gracias

18:46:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/ulbricht-266.pdf << more ulbricht l0lz

19:01:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14018 @ 0.00034651 = 4.8574 BTC [+] {2}

19:02:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25257 @ 0.00034732 = 8.7723 BTC [+] {2}

19:04:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00033637 = 2.2369 BTC [-]

19:10:29 jurov: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/i-crashed-a-wall-street-secret-society.html?mid=facebook_nymag

19:11:29 jurov: lulz

19:15:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83400 @ 0.00032856 = 27.4019 BTC [-] {2}

19:16:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00033192 = 13.4262 BTC [+]

19:22:47 mod6: ok, drove all over timbuktu and got a rebuilt pos box to test out this gentoo stuff.

19:23:49 ben_vulpes: noice

19:26:01 mod6: let's just hope that it gets the job done :]

19:26:24 mod6: the scary thing is going to be my bill for aws in may

19:29:05 ben_vulpes: those bandwidth charges, eh?

19:29:43 mod6: yeah, used a lot of b/w, but also was running up to 3 different m3.mediums at some points.

19:34:33 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe, tho i kinda doubt it. you have any idea what an iron maiden / acdc / aerosmith thing was like ?

19:34:49 mircea_popescu: 100k fucken people. each town. european tour = 20, 30, 50mn sold tickets.

19:35:09 nubbins`: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel 남양주시, 경기도

19:35:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:35:11 mod6: i'd have liked to see AC|DC back in the day

19:35:20 nubbins`: just outside of seoul

19:35:33 mod6: you are?

19:35:36 nubbins`: was

19:36:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's this scrawny serbian chick that has and prominently displays the correct female attitude.

19:37:33 mircea_popescu: jurov the thing is based o nsomething like <1% service. if you imagine they can touch every item every year...

19:37:35 mircea_popescu: that's bankruptcy.

19:38:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the turks had scheherezade nevertheless.

19:38:52 mircea_popescu: how do you think gossip was born ?

19:39:04 mircea_popescu: eastern societies' need to distribute the vicarious fucking.

19:39:41 mircea_popescu: mod6 in the 80s sort of thig. yeah.

19:39:48 mod6: yeah

19:42:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the alternative is, post it here, turn it into a weapon against the idiots that be.

19:42:59 mircea_popescu: but what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue.

19:43:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39443 @ 0.00034821 = 13.7344 BTC [+] {2}

19:44:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35157 @ 0.00035034 = 12.3169 BTC [+] {4}

19:45:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... post it here, turn it into a weapon << as mircea_popescu well knows, weapons do not fight by themselves. (outside of norse legend)

19:45:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue << let's put it this way. my crops are worth more to me burned than given to kolhoz.

19:45:56 asciilifeform: to friends - sure

19:46:00 asciilifeform: to kolhoz - fuck'em

19:46:08 mircea_popescu: that i can see.

19:46:34 mircea_popescu: but the fetlife thing, for instance, is certainly intended as a standard.

19:46:48 mircea_popescu: i don't need "to eat", certainly not from derpy canadian rottinculo

19:47:00 mircea_popescu: and moreover, blowing a hole the size of their head in their arse is fun.

19:47:01 mircea_popescu: so...

19:54:09 hanbot: hey mircea_popescu check out the mp shrinery http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/realwork/EXPORT/projects/bitcoin/wikipedia/Mircea%20Popescu%20-%20Wikipedia,%20the%20free%20encyclopedia.html

19:55:10 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:56:15 *: asciilifeform rather happy that no one ever wrote a pediwankia page about -him-

19:56:40 felipelalli: stolfi is a Brazilian very known bitcoin hater.

19:56:54 mircea_popescu: the only thing in /wikipedia/ too

19:57:08 asciilifeform: felipelalli: where in the standard taxonomy of 'bitcoin haters' does he fall ?

19:57:17 felipelalli: asciilifeform: see his twitter: https://twitter.com/jorgestolfi

19:58:17 asciilifeform: 'there is only one gold-like element' << wai wat??!

19:58:17 felipelalli: asciilifeform: he is a Computer Science professor, but he is a communist. He think makes no sense to invest into Bitcoin.

19:59:06 felipelalli: His reddit: http://www.reddit.com/user/jstolfi

20:00:06 asciilifeform: !s gallium

20:00:07 assbot: 25 results for 'gallium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gallium

20:00:07 felipelalli: I don't know why he put the Mircea Popescu page in his personal website, but I did realize it before browsing on his page.

20:00:24 asciilifeform: 'validation cost scales as N^2' << wai wat

20:00:58 felipelalli: lol

20:01:07 mircea_popescu: he has a superficial understanding of some issues about at the level of a waiter overhearing a something awful buttcoin center meeting.

20:01:24 mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose this is good for the third world.

20:01:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far i am not seeing even 'superficial level of understanding'

20:01:42 mircea_popescu: your standards are too high.

20:01:52 felipelalli: he has many Brazilians followers that support his hatery to Bitcoin. He dedicated his life to spread lies.

20:02:33 mircea_popescu: he's in academia, whadda ya want.

20:02:52 asciilifeform: it is not -strictly- necessary to be retarded to work there

20:02:54 felipelalli: I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches.

20:04:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose defloration's also not strictly necessary to work at the brothel.

20:04:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00034541 = 4.7148 BTC [-]

20:04:19 felipelalli: He says Bitcoin has a "fake scarcity" because there are shitcoins in the market! lol

20:04:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: given the world's apparent preoccupation with the bunghole, it is probably not in fact necessary...

20:05:08 mircea_popescu: quite.

20:05:41 mircea_popescu: felipelalli i don't think anyone seriously cares about this guy anymore than about the average forum lolcow.

20:06:30 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://sourceforge.net/blog/gimp-win-project-wasnt-hijacked-just-abandoned

20:07:30 asciilifeform: 'Mirrored projects are sometimes used to deliver easy-to-decline third-party offers, and the original downloads are always available.'

20:07:30 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I agree with you.

20:07:30 asciilifeform: ^ 'sourceforge' replaces winblows exes with malware

20:07:30 mircea_popescu: heh

20:07:30 mircea_popescu: "tyhey're always available!111"

20:07:30 asciilifeform: ahahahaha.

20:07:34 felipelalli: !s bitcoinxt

20:07:34 assbot: 2 results for 'bitcoinxt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoinxt

20:17:09 asciilifeform: http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-switzerland-privacy-concerns << l0l, zapo moves to nsaland

20:19:09 mircea_popescu: eh, in their case it'd be a relevancy gain

20:19:42 asciilifeform: http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/bitcoinland-april-2015.png << 'let's pretend certain things don't exist, maybe they will vanish'

20:20:42 mircea_popescu: hey, it worked with their sex drive...

20:20:52 asciilifeform: what happened to their sex drive? bad blocks ?

20:20:56 asciilifeform: head crash ?

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: it went away

20:31:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00032781 = 19.2424 BTC [-]

20:33:53 asciilifeform: !up referredbyloper

20:46:09 trinque: asciilifeform: ^ I think this is one of the agents assigned to you.

20:46:15 trinque: lurking silently

20:46:45 *: asciilifeform can haz better clownz ?

20:47:04 trinque: heh, no you get silent bob and meowmix

20:47:14 asciilifeform: don't forget mr spam.

20:47:21 trinque: ah yes

21:11:25 jurov: 1mpif

21:11:30 jurov: !mpif

21:11:31 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

21:11:40 jurov: !t m f.mpif

21:11:40 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)

21:16:37 BingoBoingo: <felipelalli> I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches. << Have you seen Animal House, may offer room for finding pride.

21:24:11 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ud7KxL0u--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/q07zwqccwnzkinanp8bg.jpg

21:31:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm a bit fuzzy on the rules of the game, but that's the fella who doesn't do any running, no ?

21:37:17 trinque: as a nascent lisper, I run into so many 404s, or if lucky abandoned repositories

21:37:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00033515 = 11.4621 BTC [+]

21:37:30 trinque: CLIM in particular seems to have fallen down the memory hole

21:38:04 felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I did not watch yet, do you recommend?

21:38:27 asciilifeform: trinque: it didn't help that many clim folks were (are?) using $maxint commercial lisps

21:38:42 trinque: ah I see, this is because of all the dead lisp companies?

21:38:54 asciilifeform: trinque: oddly enough, the two firms in question are alive!

21:39:07 asciilifeform: franz inc. and lispworks

21:39:25 asciilifeform: if you have a spare 5-10k usd, can go play.

21:39:29 trinque: ah ok, lol

21:39:31 trinque: I do not

21:39:58 *: trinque will play with sbcl and mcclim instead, and see if he can build a back-yard nuke

21:42:05 trinque: this clim model where the UI doodads map directly onto data structures, and the whole thing's practically speaking a REPL with graphics capabilities... I love it

21:42:25 trinque: have to find some way of making use of this stuff in real life

21:43:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. In that particular variant that guy doesn't have to run

21:43:52 BingoBoingo: felipelalli: It is a great movie for people who need perspective on their higher education experiences

21:54:05 jurov: !up referredbyloper

22:08:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46893 @ 0.00033482 = 15.7007 BTC [-] {2}

22:18:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00033477 = 5.8417 BTC [-]

22:28:40 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8EE2B12D71183AE76CC5958CFDF198F9C1F0D10BF65B1118F0A49CF04029B6E8 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/63C1658E30A500296C4975B61649B3C3A9C860AC037AC97C845944B85F9F6126 and, wtf, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F2DBF4B56A4C68D2C96B10DB9E60CE7D63A35FF1A8BAE1209E2408BE8D7B734F

22:31:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:08:32 funkenstein_: fucking thank you mircea popescu for the story of joshua dratel

23:09:48 funkenstein_: if you was a dwarf i would send thanks by sending my daughters over

23:10:45 funkenstein_: but you'd have to escrow a tidy sum to allay my fears they come back shaven

23:26:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12567 @ 0.00033477 = 4.2071 BTC [-]

23:37:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139724 @ 0.00032564 = 45.4997 BTC [-] {4}

23:41:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19182 @ 0.00033459 = 6.4181 BTC [+] {2}

23:42:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39677 @ 0.00033938 = 13.4656 BTC [+] {3}