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00:00:09 trinque: !s I'm just a dude

00:00:10 assbot: 7 results for 'I'm just a dude' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=I%27m+just+a+dude

00:00:20 decimation: "crypto fan"

00:00:23 decimation: !s "crypto fan"

00:00:23 assbot: 1 results for '"crypto fan"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22crypto+fan%22

00:04:29 decimation: From Taleb: "In one of the rare noncharlatanic books in finance, descriptively called What I Learned Losing a Million Dollars, the protagonist makes a big discovery. He remarks that a fellow named Joe Siegel, one of the most successful traders in a commodity called ?green lumber,? actually thought that it was lumber painted green (rather than freshly cut lumber, called green because it had not been dried). And he made it his professio

00:05:55 decimation: "Every intelligent person in socioeconomics had his theory, probabilities, scenarios,

00:06:14 decimation: and all that. Except Fat Tony. ... All he knew is that suckers exist. ... If you asked any intelligent ?analyst? or journalist at the time, he would have predicted a rise in the price of oil in the event of war. But that causal link was precisely what Tony could not take for granted. So he bet against it: they are all prepared for a rise in oil from war, so the price must have adjusted to it. "

00:06:43 decimation: Thus, one can be a crypto-enthusiast and yet have no idea how bitcoin trading works

00:06:55 decimation: or how to name a single pubkey algo

00:10:56 mircea_popescu: i have my doubts.

00:11:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell diana_coman actually they'd be vaginal pears, but yeah.

00:11:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:11:49 mircea_popescu: !up coalbe

00:12:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << myeah.

00:12:52 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 20:38:44; ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly. In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering c

00:12:59 decimation: "State police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico says agents told Matt to put up his hands. He says Matt "was shot when he didn't comply.""

00:13:37 decimation: I'm not really complaining if the new policy is to just summarily execute outlaws, but who gets to decide the list of outlaws?

00:13:42 mircea_popescu: me.

00:14:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181262 << cool beans!

00:14:09 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 21:44:20; lobbes: mircea_popescu: this will apply for #eulora too

00:15:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181287 << yes.

00:15:06 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 22:44:50; decimation: in this vein, it might be useful to create a version of the bitcoind source with all the C preprocessor directives unrolled

00:15:26 mircea_popescu: somehow i suspect spider queen alf has this very fly entangled somewhere and has been salivating over for x time :D

00:16:20 mircea_popescu: and in other news : the bitcoin chamber of commerce is shifting activities a little. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m27z7384r01rqgaeyo1_1280.jpg

00:16:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHSEoa )

00:17:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00045483 = 25.7434 BTC [-]

00:19:08 decimation: maybe she is a crypto-enthusiast too

00:19:55 mircea_popescu: clearly ahead of the reddit curve in any sense

00:23:29 decimation: ben_vulpes: http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/cl-manual.html < valgrind has a gadget for callgraph creation too

00:23:29 assbot: Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHTH7i )

00:24:39 decimation: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9279144/interpreting-callgrind-data < apparently gprof2dot can shit a dot output

00:24:41 assbot: valgrind - Interpreting callgrind data - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHTQrD )

00:27:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181315 << very spiffy

00:27:07 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 23:34:53; mod6: alright, try it out here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/

00:27:27 *: asciilifeform a bit biased, as he uses vertical displays

00:27:37 mircea_popescu: spiffy indeed

00:27:50 mod6: i have only horiz displays, and it looks way better for me too

00:28:51 mod6: decimation: thanks for the heads up on callgrind call graphs -- if IgProf (instead of gprof) can do that also, i'll definately build some when I finally get to those profiles.

00:30:00 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181273 << this sounds like a terrifyingly bad idea: if i run sync after mircea_popescu plugs his node back in, and end up with conflicting blocks, the very last thing i want is for it to silently 'fix'

00:30:00 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 22:27:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform ascii_field: ProcessBlock should probably not do that thing where it refuses to import already-seen blocks, instead it should obey its master and snarf up whatever

00:30:07 mod6: Since we all seem to like the Top->Bottom graphs better, I'll re-generate & post them possibly tonight. tomorrow at latest. i've still got about 30% left of SoBA to finish first.

00:30:20 mike_c: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-actual-state-of-the-bitcoin-network/#footnote_1_62404

00:30:21 assbot: The actual state of the Bitcoin network on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlOEOo )

00:30:42 mike_c: mircea_popescu: You left us hanging there! Since it's missing, I must know what those points of interest are :)

00:31:46 mike_c: maybe this is why I hate footnotes more than most. most don't read them?

00:32:07 *: asciilifeform not only reads, but sometimes starts with footnotes

00:32:09 mike_c: goddamn "must complete" gene

00:32:38 mike_c: starts? :) that must be confusing

00:33:32 asciilifeform: nah

00:35:18 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181371 << almost inevitably the result of this simple experiment is quite unreadable. anyone who wants to try is welcome to: gcc -E

00:35:18 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:15:06; assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 22:44:50; decimation: in this vein, it might be useful to create a version of the bitcoind source with all the C preprocessor directives unrolled

00:36:07 asciilifeform: afaik gcc does not support multiple ~levels~ of macro expansion (these are braindamaged c macros after all, not a lisp macro system with actual control over evaluation)

00:38:33 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181363 << even if rms no longer writes (and i'm informed that this may be the case in recent years) he is still tremendously useful as a 'fire magnet' for shitgnomes

00:38:33 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:12:52; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << myeah.

00:38:42 asciilifeform: they can't resist

00:39:03 asciilifeform: and thereby reveal their position

00:40:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181387 << my igprof patch for therealbitcoin is almost certainly b0rked by the 'dumpblock' addition. but fixing it ought to be trivial - good project for any of the less-experienced folks here

00:40:06 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:28:51; mod6: decimation: thanks for the heads up on callgrind call graphs -- if IgProf (instead of gprof) can do that also, i'll definately build some when I finally get to those profiles.

00:40:49 asciilifeform: (easiest method is to actually understand the changes, as one ought to in any case, and re-apply them by hand, then produce new patch)

00:41:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181360 << l0l, must've missed that thread!

00:41:20 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:11:15; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell diana_coman actually they'd be vaginal pears, but yeah.

00:42:00 asciilifeform: (but i distinctly recall a 'pear' thread ages ago, where somebody pointed out that the two types can be distinguished by the presence of 'cervix pliers' on the business end)

00:44:19 asciilifeform: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/29/flibusta << mega-l0l. ru dept. of net censorship blocks ~the~ w4r3z library, but not for just anything, but for hosting... bradbury's '451 fahrenheit' !

00:44:20 assbot: Онлайн-библиотеку наказали за роман «451 градус по Фаренгейту»: Интернет: Интернет и СМИ: Lenta.ru ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHWMEB )

00:53:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181365 << my understanding is that this is sop in usa when the escapee is considered 'armed and dangerous' (tm)

00:53:10 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:12:59; decimation: "State police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico says agents told Matt to put up his hands. He says Matt "was shot when he didn't comply.""

00:53:15 asciilifeform: esp. if no witnesses

00:54:19 asciilifeform: the presumption is that a fella who is facing a return to life in hard prison might have an arse grenade, etc., or otherwise disinclined to 'go quietly'

00:55:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181377 << my current understanding is that the blackout in 'reddit' et al. re: therealbitcoin is more or less total.

00:55:29 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:19:55; mircea_popescu: clearly ahead of the reddit curve in any sense

00:56:05 asciilifeform: (if anyone here is a regular reader of these snakepits and knows of evidence to the contrary, it would be interesting to see it)

01:44:24 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

01:44:29 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:

01:44:30 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000105.html

01:44:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq5rRK )

01:44:37 asciilifeform: '(EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Eater'

01:45:28 asciilifeform: (before anyone asks: doesn't require the weird asciification that using 'getmemorypool' to import blocks would)

01:45:50 asciilifeform: quoting from the ml msg,

01:45:57 asciilifeform: 'Using 'dumpblock' and 'eatblock', it is now possible to move blockchains around via various direct channels (e.g., pigeon.)'

01:51:30 asciilifeform: now whoever dares, can ask a node to crap out blocks n ... n+k, pgp-sign, bring them to node having blocks j ... n-1, and 'feed' them to it.

01:55:21 decimation: re: armed and dangerous < I guess. http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29419491/one-of-two-escaped-murderers-from-new-york-prison-shot

01:55:22 assbot: Officers search for New York escapee Sweat - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq5XiT )

01:55:29 decimation: "Authorities have warned from the start that the pair of fugitives might get their hands on guns. Matt did. And it may have been his undoing at that moment. Matt didn't shoot, but he also didn't comply with officers' order, so they opened fire."

01:56:13 decimation: ""We recovered a 20-gauge shotgun from Matt's body at the location," said D'Amico." < of course

02:00:31 decimation: http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2015/06/29/woman-knocked-unconscious-at-parade-by-falling-drone/ < lolz "A 25-year-old woman was knocked unconscious Sunday after she was struck by a small drone aircraft while attending the Pride parade in downtown Seattle."

02:00:32 assbot: Woman Knocked Unconscious At Parade By Falling Drone ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq6jGa )

02:00:47 decimation: "At the scene, one the victim?s friends handed over the damaged drone?which retails for about $1200 and weighs about 2 pounds?and provided photographs of a man, who may have been piloting the aircraft."

02:01:06 decimation: I wonder if it is now sop to summarily execute drone pilots too

02:32:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: in case this was not clear, it is now possible for the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests of therealbitcoin (memory consumption, etc) by denying a node a net connection and syncing from disk using 'eatblock'.

02:33:01 asciilifeform: this will also shed some light on the effect of the mempool on resource consumption...

02:33:10 mircea_popescu: pretty epic all this shit.

02:33:13 mircea_popescu: best week of bitcoin.

02:33:17 asciilifeform: l0l

02:33:20 asciilifeform: pretty basic

02:33:24 mircea_popescu: yes.

02:34:58 asciilifeform: http://kryptoradio.koodilehto.fi << via Vexual

02:34:59 assbot: Kryptoradio by Koodilehto ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4pfO3 )

02:35:55 asciilifeform: will be interesting to compare their blocks with ours.

02:36:16 decimation: why the gay rainbow bitcoin logo

02:36:39 asciilifeform: could be the apple-II rainbow

02:36:42 asciilifeform: or the rain rainbow

02:36:48 decimation: heh

02:37:04 asciilifeform: or even the commodore-64 rainbow.

02:37:10 decimation: "QSL cards" are customary in ham radio circles; a postcard is sent to acknowledge contact

02:39:32 decimation: asciilifeform: actually it might be mildly interesting to know how they are 'serializing' the blocks

02:39:40 decimation: did the also implant parasite into bitcoind?

02:40:26 asciilifeform: i'll laugh to death if it's from 'blockchain.info' or the like

02:43:05 mod6: asciilifeform: re: ... the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests ... << yeah this is great!

02:43:41 asciilifeform: mod6: i, for one, am rather curious whether we still get 200M+ footprint when there is ~no~ mempool

02:43:51 asciilifeform: (on a netless node)

02:44:20 decimation: actually it looks like the fins wrote a C client for bitcoin protocol https://github.com/koodilehto/kryptoradio/tree/master/data_sources/bitcoin/src

02:44:22 assbot: kryptoradio/data_sources/bitcoin/src at master · koodilehto/kryptoradio · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4qCfv )

02:44:59 *: asciilifeform actually wrote something not unlike ^ a few yrs ago

02:45:11 asciilifeform: for an entirely unrelated and - today - uninteresting - purpose

02:47:11 decimation: what purpose?

02:47:27 asciilifeform: blockchain telegraphy

02:47:45 decimation: hehe

02:52:19 asciilifeform: it is now also possible to elementarily ferret out certain kinds of leaks - e.g., does importing the same bastard block ten thousand times result in an increase in ram footprint ? if so, we have leak

02:52:50 asciilifeform: and whatever test (igprof, etc) can now be carried out stepwise (that is, after each added block)

02:53:06 asciilifeform: i will leave the possible variations on this theme to the alert reader.

02:59:31 decimation: asciilifeform: did you try the feed block thing

03:13:40 decimation: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~pes20/cerberus/notes50-2015-05-24-survey-discussion.html < C horribles

03:13:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtJOS2 )

03:16:08 asciilifeform: decimation: i just now wrote the patch, l0l

03:16:14 asciilifeform: when would i have tried

03:16:41 decimation: "If you calculate an offset between two separately allocated C memory objects (e.g. malloc'd regions or global or local variables) by pointer subtraction, can you make a usable pointer to the second by adding the offset to the address of the first?"

03:17:01 decimation: asciilifeform: it seems like a clever script could stuff into bitcoind 'as is'

03:17:31 asciilifeform: decimation: sure

03:17:38 asciilifeform: decimation: by emulating a node, etc

03:17:40 asciilifeform: but why.

03:17:51 decimation: yeah, patch is better, agreed

03:17:56 asciilifeform: (who wants, can write this. i've no strong desire to)

03:19:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181475 << this is not even the worst known abuse. one book (forget whose) actually suggested 'just in time compilation' on arbitrary (!) machines by snarfing up binary routines from function pointers and memcpying them into a buffer, then (*foo)()-ing in...

03:19:40 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 03:16:41; decimation: "If you calculate an offset between two separately allocated C memory objects (e.g. malloc'd regions or global or local variables) by pointer subtraction, can you make a usable pointer to the second by adding the offset to the address of the first?"

03:20:53 asciilifeform: this has all the appeal of the russian prison teapot (consisting of a mug, two nails, and a mains socket)

03:20:58 asciilifeform: but hey, 'it works!!111!!1111'

03:21:11 decimation: heh "Can you make a usable copy of a pointer by copying its representation bytes with code that indirectly computes the identity function on them, e.g. writing the pointer value to a file and then reading it back, and using compression or encryption on the way?"

03:21:20 decimation: ^ kinda what you said

03:21:55 decimation: "I've written code for a JIT that stores 64-bit virtual ptrs as their hardware based 48-bits. This is a valuable optimisation, even if it's not strictly OK. (anon)"

03:22:26 decimation: good lord, how much software that people use every day is written like this?

03:22:33 asciilifeform: 100% ?

03:23:10 decimation: "You can go much stronger than that. Many security mitigation techniques rely on being able to XOR a pointer with one or more values and recover the pointer later by again XORing with one or more possible different values, (whose total XOR is the same as the original set). (Richard Black)"

03:23:23 decimation: lol who are you hiding from? eax?

03:23:44 asciilifeform: they are hiding from... me & colleagues

03:23:53 asciilifeform: and l0l, it doesn't work terribly well.

03:26:42 asciilifeform: 'On PICs and MCS51s, the two objects could actually be in different data spaces (e.g. RAM vs flash memory).' << correct. at least for the pic16xxx series, which i've used for many years. it is called 'harvard architecture'

03:26:53 asciilifeform: used to be fairly common on micros

03:27:02 asciilifeform: (the starvation-cheap kind)

03:27:56 asciilifeform: pic16f84, my favourite when i was a schoolboy, has 8-bit data word but 14-bit code word, in entirely separate address spaces

03:28:16 asciilifeform: physically had no way to 'jump into' data

03:28:44 decimation: this has confused n00bs when you mention the 'von neumann' arch

03:28:57 asciilifeform: (or, for that matter, refer to bits in code word unless such was designated as a 'return 8-bit constant' instruction)

03:29:19 decimation: they think 'harvard' is better with respect to your 'bedrock' complaints

03:29:23 asciilifeform: 'von neumann arch' traditionally means simply the very idea of having separate devices called memory and cpu

03:29:41 asciilifeform: where the latter is able to operate on a tiny portion of the former in any given operation

03:30:17 asciilifeform: 'harvard' is better in the same sense that it is better to be shot with a .22 than with a cannon

03:30:25 decimation: heh

03:30:46 decimation: at least it's concievable that you could point to the data and code ram chips

03:32:51 asciilifeform: gotta love those prison kettles

03:33:04 asciilifeform: that article ought to be required reading for shitgnomologists

03:33:20 asciilifeform: there is no conceivable reason to ever be doing any of the things described therein

03:33:43 asciilifeform: you can't even win 'underhanded c contest' with them. they're ~screamingly~ bad ideas.

03:34:15 asciilifeform: and anyone who is found to be deploying such code, for whatever purpose, ought to answer for it

03:35:42 decimation: 'but it works'

03:35:49 asciilifeform: until not.

03:35:50 decimation: 'you need to support our implementation'

03:36:07 decimation: you can imagine how gcc writers would tire of that kind of bullshit

03:38:45 mats: jurassic world was better than expected

03:40:44 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181488 << this is doubly lulzy considering that i just pulled my dead tree 'amd x86-64 programmer's manual vol. 2' off the shelf, sept. '02 edition, and it defines 52 bits of valid pointer in 64-bit word...

03:40:44 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 03:21:55; decimation: "I've written code for a JIT that stores 64-bit virtual ptrs as their hardware based 48-bits. This is a valuable optimisation, even if it's not strictly OK. (anon)"

03:41:42 decimation: hehe

03:42:07 asciilifeform: yes, you probably won't find anything past 40 or so bits soldered on your mainboard

03:42:11 asciilifeform: but, there is the page table

03:49:50 decimation: heh I didn't realize that x86-64 kept page table

03:49:59 asciilifeform: of course it did

03:50:04 asciilifeform: how else could you do the whole mmu thing

03:50:09 asciilifeform: where each process thinks it owns the machine

03:51:22 *: decimation doesn't do much assembly

03:51:23 asciilifeform: ~segmentation~, that grim old idiocy from the 16-bit 8086 days, gets disabled

03:51:26 asciilifeform: (mostly)

03:51:28 decimation: but in retrospect, makes sense

03:51:41 decimation: I thought i386 added even more segmentation

03:51:51 asciilifeform: speaking of 64-bit ('long') mode here

03:52:11 asciilifeform: it is ~almost~ like a rationally-designed (e.g., 'alpha') cpu

03:52:28 asciilifeform: this is not an accident; amd hired away most of the old dec team who built alpha

03:52:55 decimation: ^ also note intel was derping with itanic around then

03:53:29 asciilifeform: no one ever really built a halfway decent compiler for 'vliw' machines (like itanic)

04:02:53 asciilifeform: http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29430125/governor-puerto-rico-near-death-spiral

04:02:54 assbot: Governor: Puerto Rico near 'death spiral' - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4CkH8 )

04:05:21 asciilifeform: if kim jong un had balls, perhaps he'd buy it.

04:06:26 trinque: all that guy wants to do is drink hennesy and fuck bitches.

04:07:58 asciilifeform: to be fair, pretty much everything we know about him comes from south kr (read: usg) mediatrons

04:08:48 decimation: lolz as if puerto rico was anything other than a vassal of usg

04:08:55 decimation: they can go into infinite usd debt

04:09:18 asciilifeform: (e.g., the 'uncle fed to dogs' has since been seen, the gurlphriend beheaded for starring in pr0n has been appearing in public, the footballists 'shot for losing' are playing today...)

04:09:58 asciilifeform: decimation: yes, can go into infinite debt; while usg uses the island for bomb practice

04:10:08 asciilifeform: (the one and only purpose it serves)

04:10:12 decimation: heh

04:10:49 decimation: http://www.naturalnews.com/040671_Puerto_Rico_food_stamps_SNAP_program.html

04:10:50 assbot: One-third of population of Puerto Rico now getting federal food stamps - NaturalNews.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4DD8X )

04:11:18 asciilifeform: if they ever feel like having an actual economy (or simply switching 'sugar daddies') they know who to call

04:11:20 asciilifeform: (or do they)

04:11:50 decimation: my understanding is everyone who is worth a damn has already left

04:12:09 decimation: the only people who 'do work' are cubans who are gonna move back when castro is kaput

04:12:10 mats: hm, TIL USG shuttered USN base in puerto rico in 2000s

04:12:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 330 @ 0.00629999 = 2.079 BTC [-] {2}

04:12:46 asciilifeform: mats: interesting! did not know this.

04:13:09 decimation: that doesn't mean they don't occasionally drop a bomb or two

04:16:50 mats: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eE28ONB3/

04:16:51 assbot: Pastebin | IRCCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1ROoPa7 )

04:17:14 mats: asciilifeform: got an idea? a question in ##re i am also curious about answer to

04:17:25 BingoBoingo: <decimation> that doesn't mean they don't occasionally drop a bomb or two << Puerto Rico is basically USG brown people practice range

04:17:31 asciilifeform: mats: if within bounds for relative jump, uses that

04:17:46 mats: if not?

04:17:50 asciilifeform: otherwise a decent compiler does multiple passes

04:19:31 mats: ok, thought so

04:19:38 mats: thx

04:19:45 asciilifeform: http://x86.renejeschke.de/html/file_module_x86_id_147.html << 32-bit

04:19:45 assbot: Shroud: x86 Instruction Set Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1ROpfxb )

04:20:38 asciilifeform: note that 'long' (64) mode has no absolute far jump

04:21:05 asciilifeform: or rather, has no such with immediate value

04:21:16 asciilifeform: (you ~can~, e.g., 'jmp rax')

04:21:45 asciilifeform: anyone for whom this question is a routine matter really ought to own the book

04:21:52 asciilifeform: (mentioned earlier today)

04:24:17 mats: ive been studying asm for months and i still feel as lost as my first day

04:24:32 asciilifeform: mats: the only cure is to not only read but write

04:24:35 asciilifeform: and experiment

04:24:38 mats: like there's a superset of knowledge i'm missing

04:26:01 asciilifeform: there are at least two sub-fields here - how the machine is put together; and, what idioms are common (i.e. what does a particular compiler crap out and why?)

04:27:04 mats: alright

04:28:51 asciilifeform: mats: some of the more interesting aspects are, as always, corner cases. e.g., how does x86-64 treat self-modifying code? how does this impact cache? can unpriv. ('ring 3') code learn cache state? (to some extent - always!) etc.

04:33:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc

04:33:53 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 04:12:09; decimation: the only people who 'do work' are cubans who are gonna move back when castro is kaput

04:35:50 asciilifeform: i'm not certain that there ever was a ~less~ sympathetic bunch of dekulakized folks than the cuban 'refugees' in usa

04:36:36 asciilifeform: (by some versions, these are the people who gave us... bush II)

04:41:25 asciilifeform: hard to picture a sorrier bunch of bitter schmucks, eagerly taking it up the arse from history's biggest and most obscene communist mega-empire (usg) to spite their little piss-ant one

04:44:50 *: mod6 is still going on this thing.

04:44:54 mod6: getting close though

04:45:06 mod6: lotta stuff this month!

04:57:23 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point

04:57:24 scoopbot_revived: CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman http://qntra.net/2015/06/cuny-keeps-bezzle-flowing-to-krugman/

04:57:28 decimation: re: cubans

04:58:20 decimation: they wanna give us bush III too

04:59:24 trinque: I can think of another honorarium the republic might keep herr krugman in for entertainment purposes.

05:00:31 BingoBoingo: Vending machine later

05:00:50 trinque: I'm thinking a sort of dunking booth with better toys.

05:02:28 BingoBoingo: But this is just another quicker example of documenting the kicks

05:03:04 decimation: heh http://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe/

05:03:04 assbot: Shiller PE Ratio ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmfAxj )

05:03:27 decimation: S&P 500 price/earnings ratio is looking pretty toppy...

05:04:24 trinque: decimation: currency crisis or gtfo

05:04:32 decimation: !up Vexual

05:04:45 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdcmM9T8vD4

05:04:56 decimation: trinque: looks like the eu is trying to start one

05:05:12 trinque: so tired of waiting for the horrible missteps of that which was once styled republic to incur their cost

05:05:52 decimation: lol http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-30/uber-bonds-term-sheet-reveals-470-million-in-operating-losses < related

05:05:53 assbot: Uber Bonds Term Sheet Reveals $470 Million in Operating Losses - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRPEIO )

05:06:23 Vexual: bushIIIzadoozie

05:07:28 Vexual: AIIB ftw

05:12:56 punkman: http://curl.haxx.se/mail/lib-2015-06/0143.html

05:12:57 assbot: Curl: [SECURITY NOTICE] libidn with bad UTF8 input ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kmggmm )

05:18:37 Vexual: ubers greek?

05:19:30 punkman: no, that's how "big in SV" works

05:19:48 Vexual: sv?

05:20:41 punkman: silicon valley

05:21:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00046059 = 26.8063 BTC [+] {2}

05:22:51 Vexual: tv here shows greeks complaining that germans don't understand greece

05:23:06 mats: like a crack dealer doesn't understand a junkie

05:23:35 punkman: german citizens about as clueless as the greeks

05:23:53 Vexual: ^

05:25:29 decimation: germans have profited for years by loaning greeks eu dollars and then selling them shit to buy them back

05:25:44 decimation: it's all just a stupid shell game

05:25:51 mod6: Ok, just about done. And that's jsut about all for me tonight.

05:27:09 punkman: would you vote in a referendum?

05:27:17 mod6: I did remove the original http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/ source code browser for the one that was in /test/ with the Top->Bottom graphs.

05:27:18 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRQAgi )

05:27:23 punkman: think I'm gonna stick to my "no voting" policy

05:28:05 mod6: So that one should be fine now. Tomorrow, I'll update the graphs in this one: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/

05:28:06 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRQANi )

05:28:50 decimation: punkman: what if the referendum were for ending the popular vote?

05:29:12 mats: lol

05:29:30 decimation: I would vote for it

05:29:48 mats: i would question reality if this came to pass

05:30:03 Vexual: you may have to

05:31:14 decimation: mats: to believe it wouldn't pass is to believe that the voter places his own interest above that of the group

05:34:04 decimation: which defeats the point of asking individuals to make a decision for the group

05:35:05 decimation: !up Vexual

05:37:00 Vexual: i don't vote, iv'e got email

05:41:06 decimation: Vexual: compulsory voting is a contradiction. like compulsory wealth.

05:41:36 Vexual: indeed, noone must read my bullshit either

05:43:44 Vexual: poor fuck who tried to exit usa just got busted in my neck of the woods

05:44:01 Vexual: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/american-tourist-found-after-five-years-missing-in-qld-20150629-gi0xh5.html

05:44:21 Vexual: do not pass go

05:45:02 decimation: did the local cops shoot on sight?

05:45:57 Vexual: nah, but hes in custody and going home on an economy flight

05:46:05 decimation: heh "A police spokesman said the officers were investigating an unrelated matter and did not know who he was, but Mr Rodman thought the police had come to arrest him and gave himself up."

05:47:38 decimation: poor guy was obviously paranoid

05:47:52 Vexual: obviously?

05:48:21 Vexual: perhaps he was broke and homesick

05:48:23 decimation: what's the point of 'escaping' to another country if you can't enjoy yourself

05:49:34 Vexual: i wonder if he left and coin behind?

05:50:31 decimation: go to queensland and search his hovel :)

05:50:56 Vexual: im in queensland, can u link hovel?

05:52:36 cazalla: Vexual, was prob a spy and his time was up

05:53:20 Vexual: lol, everything is illegal here, but you you must confess on a bicycle to get caught

05:54:11 decimation: they were probably looking for the bum that shit on the local picnic tables

05:54:21 Vexual: lol

05:54:26 decimation: fella had a guilty conscience

05:54:37 Vexual: exactly

05:55:15 decimation: cazalla: an american spy? why would usg bother?

05:55:21 cazalla: wonder how many seppos overstay their visa anyway

05:55:34 decimation: I doubt there's anything australia knows that they wouldn't happily give away in exchange for coin

05:55:35 Vexual: fuckin loads

05:55:50 cazalla: decimation, was being facetious

05:55:57 decimation: how's that marine base going

05:56:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94000 @ 0.00046393 = 43.6094 BTC [+] {2}

05:57:14 cazalla: decimation, which one? US has quite a few bases here now

05:58:09 decimation: I guess I was thinking of the new one near darwin

05:58:12 punkman: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/after-bitcoin-loan-goes-south-judge-rules-man-must-repay-over-67000/

05:58:13 assbot: After Bitcoin loan goes south, judge rules man must repay over $67,000 | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrEaNt )

05:58:17 cazalla: http://www.anti-bases.org/images/AustraliaUSAbases.gif (nfi how legit this map is but seeing it fits my narrative lol)

05:58:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrEb3T )

05:58:29 decimation: I think obama wanted to show china how serious he was back then

05:59:34 cazalla: one day hopefully can do some urbex at pinegap

05:59:57 Vexual: lol

06:00:51 decimation: lol seismic stations

06:01:02 decimation: oh no, usg is gonna know how u shakin

06:02:02 decimation: lots of countries in the world have anti-base posters like this in local language, yet more bases seem to be the order

06:03:01 Vexual: https://www.douglasvanbossuyt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/IMG_27301.jpg <this for uberx cazalla?

06:03:38 cazalla: nah, i'd be going on dirt bike tbh

06:04:25 Vexual: good luck getting it okayed as a saloon car

06:04:38 decimation: lol is that mad max

06:05:19 Vexual: yeah pine gap shit

06:06:05 cazalla: !up Vexual

06:06:50 Vexual: cazalla might prefferent a z900 kawasaki, but they were for the baddies

06:07:05 cazalla: wouldn't it be sick if this got over the line on the last day https://bitbet.us/bet/1135/btc-to-top-350-before-1st-july/

06:07:06 assbot: BitBet - BTC to top $350 before 1st July :: 7.39 B (10%) on Yes, 65.9 B (90%) on No | closed 2 weeks 6 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kqnbg1 )

06:07:18 decimation: is it ticking up?

06:07:20 decimation: ;;ticker

06:07:21 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.79, Best ask: 267.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 267.93, 24 hour volume: 43306.98643878, 24 hour low: 249.43, 24 hour high: 267.9, 24 hour vwap: None

06:07:22 Vexual: no chance

06:07:26 decimation: heh

06:07:33 Vexual: ooh maybe

06:08:00 Vexual: lol vulves corvette is now worth less

06:08:27 Vexual: watch the unt give 0

06:08:55 decimation: why outfit your mad max cruiser with that kind of tank?

06:09:01 decimation: drive for 24 hours without refuel?

06:09:07 Vexual: coz theres no servos

06:09:18 Vexual: yep

06:09:30 cazalla: who needs a servo Vexual when ya can carry a few tanks on a postie bike

06:09:42 decimation: bike doesn't need much gas

06:09:53 decimation: meanwhile your balls gonna fall off after hour 22

06:10:28 Vexual: whats the range on a postie bike? 80km?

06:10:47 Vexual: refuel is 2 hrs?

06:11:27 cazalla: dunno but they go forever

06:11:44 cazalla: durable too, i'll get through any aussie terrain

06:11:45 Vexual: u owned 1?

06:11:56 cazalla: nah but a mate did

06:12:03 cazalla: i was gonna get one but got a zzr instead

06:12:13 Vexual: yeah cunts boat em to asia to continue the journey

06:12:42 Vexual: aweful beats that kwaka 250\

06:12:55 Vexual: *beast

06:14:12 Vexual: its called a ninja now and its detuned

06:18:37 Vexual: sure its fast but the valves dont resond properly

06:20:05 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwacyd9cqhQ

06:22:38 Vexual: top flick

06:26:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjDmPJc7fN4

06:35:00 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE < shes dying

07:16:00 punkman: cazalla, would qntra like an article on .gr capital controls?

07:16:16 BingoBoingo: punkman: Do it

07:16:24 cazalla: if you're familiar with the situation, sure

07:30:07 BingoBoingo: punkman: If you can get it done before UTC rolls over into July you could still sneak in on the June statement

07:35:08 BingoBoingo: *in meaning in time to get published

07:35:21 BingoBoingo: But no rush

08:34:06 cazalla: one for BingoBoingo https://youtu.be/1_XuwM844bY?t=1m52s

08:34:07 assbot: Breaking Bias | Sarah Bramblette | TEDxNSU - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g5v5yD )

08:52:20 BingoBoingo: God's sitting this one out

11:24:08 shinohai: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/29/dogecoin_app_ftc/

11:24:09 assbot: Chap slapped in Dogecoin crap app flap • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4zzzC )

11:54:35 fluffypony: dat dogecoin

12:03:38 shinohai: Surprising to me how long scams can stay afloat, and what people can build on top of them.

12:52:37 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Raphael Randschau ; Raphael Nicolai Fabian Randschau (Uni Kiel) ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97CE2FE7747AC2CFA1531450412E093BC09E40955B7193BD37F377AE1FBD3645#4526599566CBC0905AF62AF3B6A23C1801277E6A086F645C00B8E978547C848A

12:52:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 )

14:24:12 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-care-and-feeding-of-financial-black.html << pretty fine orl0l re: greece

14:24:13 assbot: ClubOrlov: The Care and Feeding of a Financial Black Hole ... ( http://bit.ly/1egCDxc )

14:25:50 asciilifeform: '...anyone who knows mathematics can see that the United States is on the verge of collapse because its debt has gone exponential. These aren't words that an American or a European politician can utter in public, and perhaps not even whisper to their significant other while lying in bed, because the American eavesdroppers might overhear them, and then the politician in question would get the Dominique Strauss-Kahn treatment...'

14:53:59 decimation: asciilifeform: heh. it's no secret the trouble they are all in, it's merely a matter of publically pretending otherwise - and getting the press to hop on board

15:11:06 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the reasoning behind the -caneat flag?

15:11:48 ben_vulpes: i don't think that it's *unnecessary* or anything, i'm just curious as to why it needs explicit enabling.

15:12:01 ben_vulpes: curious why *you think* it needs explicit enabling.

15:15:46 ben_vulpes: "filein >> block;" << this overloaded operator still baffles me.

15:31:34 Jautenim: out-of-the-box auto.sh fails to install openssl on a cleanish x86-64 ubuntu 14.04

15:31:51 Jautenim: but dpb's fix for the pogo also werks

15:31:58 Jautenim: !s install_sw

15:31:59 assbot: 7 results for 'install_sw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=install_sw

15:32:22 decimation: ^ should be the default build now

15:32:24 Jautenim: shall i submit a patch to the mailing list? it's quite a simple fix

15:32:45 Jautenim: oh k, nevermind then

15:32:51 decimation: background: openssl docs fail to generate properly, so install_sw should be used instead

15:33:04 decimation: no I mean you are right, mod6/ben_vulpes should integrate that fix

15:34:46 mod6: nubs submitted a patch for that -- it'll be fixed in the next milestone for sure. thanks for the heads up Jautenim.

15:35:08 Jautenim: any time :)

15:36:54 mod6: that patch is here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html << this patch does a few other things too, might be worth a read through though to see how it aligns with what you had already done to your own local auto.sh.

15:36:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKgFLd )

15:38:52 scoopbot_revived: Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/30/climate-change-is-a-good-thing-not-the-apocalypse-mkay/

15:39:14 mod6: [ the relivant part here anyway is the alterations to auto.sh ]

15:40:28 Jautenim: yes. in fact i just s/make install/make install_sw on auto.sh

15:40:45 Jautenim: but this patch don't seem to avoid the offending makefile directive, does it?

15:42:01 Jautenim: from openssl-1.0.1g/Makefile -> install: all install_docs install_sw

15:42:54 mod6: ah, ok yeah.

15:43:24 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes well, the model t ain't no duesenberg if that's what you mean.

15:43:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:44:08 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181326 << myea. something thooper progressive like that.

15:44:08 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 23:47:53; ben_vulpes: ah they're probably deprecating some old api, pete_dushenski

15:44:08 mod6: Jautenim: sorry, I had it kinda mixed up. The patch link I posted is to resolve the issue where the libs and headers don't get copied over.

15:45:52 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180292 << this is a point. mebbe 1 share per picture ? mebbe 10 ? mebbe 0. i kinda like text-based news but there's little doubt that qntra could grow its readership (if that's the intention) with more visuals.

15:45:52 assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski

15:46:40 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

15:46:41 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.43, Best ask: 267.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 267.49, 24 hour volume: 46254.35097666, 24 hour low: 252.79, 24 hour high: 268.1, 24 hour vwap: None

15:51:12 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181735 << poor straussy. all he ever did was question the use of inflation targets by central banks.

15:51:12 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 14:25:50; asciilifeform: '...anyone who knows mathematics can see that the United States is on the verge of collapse because its debt has gone exponential. These aren't words that an American or a European politician can utter in public, and perhaps not even whisper to their significant other while lying in bed, because the American eavesdroppers might overhear them, and then the politician in question would get the Dominique

15:52:01 mod6: <+Jautenim> shall i submit a patch to the mailing list? it's quite a simple fix << If you're in the WoT (looks like you are) feel free to submit a patch as you like.

15:53:58 Jautenim: k, I'll give it a go

15:55:26 mod6: Salud!

15:57:34 pete_dushenski: "Cisco Systems Inc (CSCO.O) said on Tuesday it would buy OpenDNS, a privately held cloud-based security company, for $635 million in cash and equity awards to beef up its security business." << might as well consolidate the crown corps, save on letterhead.

16:00:39 pete_dushenski: "Cenovus Energy Inc (CVE.TO), Canada's second-largest independent oil producer, said on Tuesday it has agreed to sell its portfolio of oil and gas royalty properties to Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan for about C$3.3 billion ($2.66 billion)." << speaking of deals, a big one for canada.

16:01:52 pete_dushenski: cenovus is based in alberta and it quite clearly in the crosshairs of the new socialist government and its anti-business platform that -will- include increases in oil royalties

16:02:32 pete_dushenski: "Teachers' said the latest deal offers diversification benefits and a hedge against unexpected inflation." << lol! unexpected for who ?!

16:03:33 ben_vulpes: Jautenim: yeah, i ran into that one as well

16:03:51 ben_vulpes: btw - i've yet to get boost to compile and exit 0

16:03:56 ben_vulpes: and yet bitcoind builds

16:04:00 *: ben_vulpes quakes in boots

16:04:59 pete_dushenski: "Heritage Royalty owns about 4.8 million acres of royalty interest and mineral fee title lands in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Royalty lands are privately held oil and gas properties that are not subject to the royalties that producers pay governments for operating on publicly owned lands." << ok that's actually a super interesting detail. so cenovus is offloading the land that's -exempt- from royalties w

16:04:59 pete_dushenski: hile keeping the stuff that is.

16:05:11 pete_dushenski: i guess the offer was too sweet to pass up.

16:05:13 ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html#ak47.sh << i've been working with this. it uses bash, so less portable, but it fails on any error which makes it easier to debug, as the script exits whenever anything goes wrong

16:05:15 assbot: a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcOQRm )

16:06:08 ben_vulpes: aand pete, i'm talking about mr. musk's overpriced station wagon

16:07:15 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the 's' is the sedan, the 'x' is the suv... is the 't' the little one that's in the pipeline ?

16:07:24 ben_vulpes: ah!

16:07:28 ben_vulpes: no, i'm just retarded.

16:07:38 ben_vulpes: the model s is a betamobile

16:07:48 ben_vulpes: s/retarded/don'treallycareaboutmoderncarnamingconventions

16:07:49 pete_dushenski: ahahah

16:08:08 ben_vulpes: "o hai i bought a thooper expensive babywaggon"

16:08:16 pete_dushenski: well, things have names is all.

16:08:17 pete_dushenski: myea

16:08:34 ben_vulpes: i've no idea how i got it into my head that it was called the model t.

16:08:41 pete_dushenski: they've exploded here this summer, from 0 last year to dozens this year

16:08:48 ben_vulpes: yeah, all over here as well.

16:09:17 ben_vulpes: driven mostly by harried sunken-chested polo-shirt wearing dads

16:10:05 pete_dushenski: and parked in front of their post-post-modern duplexes with rooftop patios and pv sunshades

16:10:23 pete_dushenski: sorta the mo

16:11:13 ben_vulpes: i have to imagine that's what they drive into town from.

16:11:26 ben_vulpes: don't knock the rooftop patio mang

16:12:03 pete_dushenski: lol i'm not the one saying tesla drivers are pussies, you are !

16:12:21 pete_dushenski: i'm as fond of rooftop patios as anyone

16:12:56 ben_vulpes: i'm just describing the car. can't really generalize about groups

16:12:56 pete_dushenski: http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/23/tesla-disputes-rumors-model-3-delay/ << mebbe the '3' sounded like a 't' in your head, ben ?

16:12:57 assbot: Tesla disputes rumors of Model 3 delay ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4zEJ7 )

16:13:28 pete_dushenski: ^it will, of course, be massively delayed.

16:13:29 ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/6nxSOBo << today's view from the office patio

16:13:30 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4zLEy )

16:13:54 pete_dushenski: o hey, not too shabby at all.

16:14:11 pete_dushenski: so that's what the view from the top looks like.

16:16:41 ben_vulpes: hah

16:17:25 ben_vulpes: you can't see it for the trees, but we have clients in a building across the river that are *far* higher on the bezzletrough than us

16:17:30 ben_vulpes: we? i.

16:18:01 pete_dushenski: something to aim for !

16:18:14 pete_dushenski: btw how goes the baby-prepping/proofing ?

16:18:26 ben_vulpes: well, ty

16:18:31 pete_dushenski: moving house, cleaning out current one ?

16:18:43 ben_vulpes: no no, staying in the current hobbit hole.

16:19:01 ben_vulpes: no sense in accelerating the hedonic treadmill any faster than is strictly necessary.

16:19:09 pete_dushenski: agreed.

16:19:19 ben_vulpes: lady v did procure a 4ft tall giraffe recently, though

16:19:32 pete_dushenski: treadmill moves plenty quickly enough without much help.

16:19:36 pete_dushenski: a cute !

16:19:49 ben_vulpes: and one of these for like 40 bucks http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bloom-Coco-Baby-Natural-Bent-Plywood-Lounger-Bouncer-Rocker-Swing-Modern-/281466524211

16:19:51 assbot: Bloom Coco Baby Natural Bent Plywood Lounger Bouncer Rocker Swing Modern | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4BjhL )

16:19:59 ben_vulpes: but in maroon wood and white leather

16:20:25 pete_dushenski: huh sharp little design there

16:21:37 ben_vulpes: no plastic baby cages in my house no ty

16:22:51 pete_dushenski: he'll sleep in the bed with you then ?

16:23:08 pete_dushenski: or (wood) bassinet ?

16:23:50 ben_vulpes: yeah some cosleeping to begin with

16:24:21 ben_vulpes: and i'm being dramatic about the plastics, there's a many-in-one stroller thing that a relative mentioned getting for us

16:24:27 ben_vulpes: what has happened to me

16:24:33 ben_vulpes: why am i talking about bay crap

16:25:34 ben_vulpes: how about that eatblock patch?

16:25:52 pete_dushenski: lol

16:26:53 pete_dushenski: i dun think that a little plastic is the end of the world, not like we didn't grow up with it

16:27:33 pete_dushenski: sure, steel and wood carriages and cribs are better, but doesn't mean such things exist for less than $maxint

16:27:39 ben_vulpes: living well in NA is all about the art of judiciously applied delicately spun hydrocarbons

16:33:50 danielpbarron: !up wjko777

16:43:10 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

16:44:31 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell menahem lol at travis ! 1 btc for a lifetime membership to his tardsclub. as fucking if.

16:44:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:46:23 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181737 << because i wished to highlight the experimental character of the whole direct block injection thing

16:46:23 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 15:11:06; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the reasoning behind the -caneat flag?

16:47:41 ascii_field: and in general, when adding a peculiar and unfamiliar behaviour to bitcoin, it is good practice to place a red flip-cover around the button

16:48:54 ben_vulpes: and flip-cover for eatblock because state of running bitcoinator is mutated by its use, while the dumpblock does not mutate and so does not need a flag?

16:49:40 ben_vulpes: (and imagine my disappointment when you didn't name it shitblock!)

16:52:51 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: rename if you like!

16:53:11 ascii_field: srsly my turds aren't 'gospel', publish corrections/repaintings/etc

16:53:22 ascii_field: dumpblock is non-destructive, aha

16:56:44 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: https://ontario.westburne.ca/shopimages/canadamedia/8/0/6/8796436299806.jpg << example

16:56:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GX1Mag )

17:08:17 pete_dushenski: also http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f6/21/71/f62171fd29dd08501de7515f76540bb1.jpg

17:08:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUCx9o )

17:08:34 pete_dushenski: ^name that car, kidz !

17:13:35 mod6: !up ascii_field

17:35:59 danielpbarron: !up Eulorian

17:51:14 Naphex: https://xotika.tv/#/channel115/LovelyTaya enjoy xD

17:51:15 assbot: XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO5HSK )

17:55:40 Jautenim: mod6: hm, I've carefully read http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev but I believe mailman is not accepting my emails

17:55:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO6uTT )

17:55:57 Jautenim: should it barf something back at me? I'm not receiving any feedback either

17:59:00 mod6: ah, i don't think you're in assbot's L2. Sorry if I wasted your time. Just send the patch to me: modsix@gmail.com

17:59:21 mod6: plz clearsign your email, and attach a detached signature of the patch file

17:59:35 danielpbarron: he's got a +1 from MP

17:59:51 mod6: some detals on that are here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html

17:59:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO76so )

18:00:19 mod6: danielpbarron: yeah, i saw that. i thought that'd be enough. but maybe something else is up? anyway, you can send to me. I'll review, etc.

18:01:50 Jautenim: sure! i was puzzled too, thought that'd be enough

18:05:29 mod6: <+mod6> plz clearsign your email, and attach a detached signature of the patch file << along with the patch itself i might add!

18:05:30 Jautenim: there you go

18:06:19 mod6: perfect, thanks!

18:27:51 mod6: **NOTICE** I'll be updating the graphs in this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/ in about the next ~15 minutes. So if there's a hiccup, just wait a minute or six.

18:27:52 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqZV1f )

18:28:51 mod6: derp: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/

18:28:52 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqZX9E )

18:29:50 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:29:59 ascii_field: http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/necpc8201a.html

18:29:59 assbot: NEC PC8201a laptop computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kr04li )

18:30:09 ascii_field: BingoBoingo and other archaeologists ^

18:30:37 ascii_field: ' the NEC still wins over most portable computers of any time for the quality of its keyboard. This is a machine for typing on, and producing content, not for consuming content... Even now, nearly 30 years after production, it still works perfectly. The larger capacity modern rechargeable AA cells means that four of these will keep it running for weeks. Astonishing battery life compared with modern devices.'

18:32:18 ascii_field: 'I plan to start using the machine again because its keyboard is superior to any other laptop that I've owned and it boots far faster than any other laptop that I've owned.'

18:35:50 trinque: neat. that thing's exactly what I've meant about a device which is only for editing buffers of text.

18:36:53 ascii_field: trinque: i've been looking for something that fits that description - while not being a piece of shit - for a decade

18:37:43 ascii_field: even bought a weird jp device, 'pomera dm20', once

18:37:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45080 @ 0.00045047 = 20.3072 BTC [-] {2}

18:38:20 ascii_field: now it gathers dust - keyboard has three or so keys that flip the thing into jp mode, and they 'get pressed' constantly (on account of how cramped the thing is)

18:39:58 ascii_field: and before anyone links to the barfalicious 'hemingwriter' thing - just don't. please.

18:43:10 ascii_field: FUCK 3d-printed faux typewriter case, screen one has to squint at, and 'cloud'

18:43:51 trinque: what a dumb pile of hipster wank

18:44:22 *: trinque goes to forage for coffee

18:44:54 punkman: speaking of hipsters, behold http://www.usbtypewriter.com/collections/typewriters

18:44:56 assbot: USB Typewriter ~ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kr1gVX )

18:45:12 ascii_field: l0l

18:45:52 mod6: ok http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/ has been updated

18:45:52 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kr1koz )

18:46:54 ascii_field: which patches ?

18:47:26 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt

18:47:26 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kr1s7G )

18:47:39 mod6: awe jeeze

18:47:43 mod6: lol

18:51:09 shinohai: @ mod6 so no more manual patch applications?

18:51:37 ascii_field: wai wat?!

18:52:10 ascii_field: shinohai: that thing is intended only for eyeballs/study

18:52:27 shinohai: kk

18:52:28 ascii_field: it is not a shithub

18:52:47 mod6: huh? no, im laughing because when I swapped the doxygens around (LR, to TB) i nuked the file that showed the patches included.

18:52:52 mod6: and I can't find a backup

18:53:23 ascii_field: shinohai: in all cases, the canonical code is the original pedigreed and signed 0.5.3 and the sequence of signed patches which add up to a release

18:53:44 mod6: I did it like that because the list of patch names is far too long. makes it look kinda ridiculous in the header

18:55:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00045013 = 52.2151 BTC [-]

18:58:27 BingoBoingo: Stator on shittop sync'd to 200 kiloblocks

19:00:18 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:06:16 mod6: well, i still had the build directory anyway. a list of patches & checksums is at the same URL nao: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt

19:06:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKIi5m )

19:12:49 ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works

19:13:12 ascii_field: presently, while i'm doing entirely other things, it it running pmap -XX <pid> after each eat

19:13:17 ascii_field: and saving output thereof

19:13:45 ascii_field: later this week (still gotta do my broadcast tonight...) will throw this into 'gnuplot'

19:13:51 ascii_field: unless somebody else wants to..

19:14:56 ascii_field: the raw blocks 0...217336 sum to 5.3GB.

19:15:14 ascii_field: (actual mass of these, without ~anything~ extra)

19:17:40 ascii_field: (if this wasn't clear, this is a node running without a net connection at all)

19:21:05 jurov: hi all, was afk

19:21:41 ascii_field: jurov missed all the good stuff, l0l

19:21:47 jurov: ascii_field probably isn't aware that exactly the same thing as dumpblock output is the phoundation's bootstrap.dat

19:22:03 jurov: would be interesting to compare them

19:22:13 ascii_field: i mean, the blocks were in there to begin with

19:22:17 ascii_field: they did not come from my arse

19:22:18 jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117982.0

19:22:21 assbot: [BETA] Bitcoin blockchain torrent ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqI8pi )

19:22:56 jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0 lol and they managed to obsolete it already

19:22:58 assbot: [ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqIah6 )

19:23:21 ascii_field: and i never imagined i was the first to ever dump blocks - i think just about everybody had some 3rd party script thing to do it with

19:24:16 ascii_field: but now one can single-step the sync, and remove just about all nondeterminism

19:26:13 mircea_popescu: ahhh

19:27:00 ascii_field: mircea_popescu!

19:27:39 mircea_popescu: heya.

19:27:42 mircea_popescu: dezastru ?

19:27:57 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder how many times in the history of linux one has issued the command ;;

19:28:18 mircea_popescu: somehow i suspect its more common than kk

19:28:40 ascii_field: kein dezastru

19:28:47 ascii_field: but many good things

19:29:05 *: mircea_popescu is going to get top the logs just as soon as he's done hammering the seeder into shape

19:29:10 mircea_popescu: which should be soonish

19:32:41 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:33:05 mircea_popescu: in even further news, overheard in the street like an hour ago : "mommy, mommy! is it a good sign when your fanny itches ?"

19:33:30 mircea_popescu: i would have inquired whether front facing fanny or rear facing fanny, but i was pressed for time sadly.

19:34:19 ascii_field: l0l!

19:34:28 BingoBoingo: <jurov> ascii_field probably isn't aware that exactly the same thing as dumpblock output is the phoundation's bootstrap.dat << As far as I'm aware the "bootstrap.dat" never got implemented in a way that worked beyond the first 2GB of blockchain on pre-v0.8 clients

19:34:52 mircea_popescu: afaik this ^ is correct

19:36:27 *: BingoBoingo spent some time dicking around with it when did OpenBSD 0.7.2 -ish build

19:37:18 BingoBoingo: Bootstrap.dat did what it was supposed to on v0.8.6 though, didn

19:37:41 BingoBoingo: 't much speed up sync because verification is still CPU bound

19:37:43 ascii_field: how was it generated ?

19:38:09 BingoBoingo: I think garzick had a script somewhere I'll did

19:38:12 BingoBoingo: *dig

19:38:30 ascii_field: and i beg to differ that direct arse-to-mouth of blocks 'doesn't speed sync'

19:38:33 ascii_field: it sure as fuck does

19:38:42 ascii_field: on account of not having the hours-long bastard block doldrums

19:39:25 ascii_field: nor is mempool churning

19:40:17 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0

19:40:19 assbot: [ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqK8Ow )

19:41:19 ascii_field: https://github.com/jgarzik/pynode/blob/master/mkbootstrap.py << ick

19:41:20 assbot: pynode/mkbootstrap.py at master · jgarzik/pynode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqKeFX )

19:41:21 BingoBoingo: Well, once I got into 2013 and months crawled into taking days per any speed up wasn't much noticable

19:41:47 ascii_field: i'm speaking of ~hours~ here

19:43:06 BingoBoingo: Ah hours out of weeks

19:43:17 ascii_field: mno, hours total

19:43:20 ascii_field: from 0 to maxheight

19:43:21 BingoBoingo: Apparently 'cat' is fine too https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10381/creating-my-own-bootstrap-dat

19:43:22 assbot: blockchain - Creating my own bootstrap.dat? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKW3m4 )

19:43:55 *: BingoBoingo just be running horribru underpowered machines for this task

19:44:42 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: entirely not the same

19:44:48 ascii_field: has the 'prefix network number' bullshit

19:45:01 BingoBoingo: Ah

19:45:10 ascii_field: (and length field)

19:56:30 mircea_popescu: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbException' << teh sound of unhappy. i'll be doing shasums for the rest of the day by the looks of it.

19:58:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00046402 = 30.6253 BTC [+] {2}

19:58:36 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0041 << in classic 0.5.3. naturally i haven't the faintest clue re: yours

19:58:37 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKY3ur )

19:58:58 mircea_popescu: it's almopst always a corrupterd db

19:59:08 mircea_popescu: apparently the "damaged in transit" thing happens o.O

19:59:20 ascii_field: at any rate, i posted checksums of what i personally got over the wire, earlier.

19:59:21 mircea_popescu: anyway, i've been digging into all sorts of strange re this since 3 days ago, what's a bucket more.

19:59:38 mircea_popescu: ah, those don't help, obv every client makes its own blockchain set

19:59:40 ascii_field: all 16MB of them

19:59:47 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually!

19:59:49 ascii_field: blocks are canonical

19:59:56 ascii_field: recall, we have 'dumpblock'

20:00:13 ascii_field: yes, it follows main chain

20:00:23 BingoBoingo: Just BDB not necessarily canonical unless "detatched"

20:00:26 mircea_popescu: i have never seen blknnnn of the same size even, forget the same contents

20:00:27 ascii_field: so it is conceivable that yours barfed on an orphaned (in the original sense) block

20:00:36 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ~blocks are canonical~

20:00:36 mircea_popescu: vanishingly unlikely.

20:00:42 ascii_field: that's sorta the whole point of bitcoin

20:00:45 mircea_popescu: yes i know. talking bout my own problem here!

20:00:50 ascii_field: l0l

20:00:54 mircea_popescu: hehe

20:01:00 mircea_popescu: the sorry man's world is his sorrow.

20:01:39 ascii_field: for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4

20:02:20 mircea_popescu: yeh the problem's later, 310kish

20:03:01 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: consider preserving the turd for dissection

20:03:09 mircea_popescu: im preservin'.

20:03:32 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:06:09 BingoBoingo: !up mitzip

20:06:17 mircea_popescu: how i feel, illustrated : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ygcdDW8U1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg

20:06:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKYZPv )

20:07:13 BingoBoingo: mitzip: You do work on funtoo?

20:07:42 mitzip: BingoBoingo: yes, but I haven't been active lately

20:08:15 BingoBoingo: mitzip: Still, great project.

20:08:28 mitzip: BingoBoingo: thanks I feel the same way :)

20:10:22 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt

20:10:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKZARb )

20:10:25 deedbot-: accepted: 1

20:21:51 ascii_field: $ sha256sum ~/.bitcoin_mp_strange/blk0001.dat

20:21:51 ascii_field: 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a

20:22:26 ascii_field: $ sha256sum ~/.bitcoin_ok/blk0001.dat 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a

20:22:41 ascii_field: ^ from a node synced in february

20:22:55 ascii_field: 'mp_strange' is the data set discussed earlier

20:23:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00046668 = 9.987 BTC [+] {2}

20:23:40 ascii_field: either mircea_popescu, or i, or both, is suffering from 'cosmic rays'

20:24:32 mircea_popescu: uh.

20:24:46 mircea_popescu: maybe this is half-deterministic somehow ? did you make them on the same build ?

20:24:56 ascii_field: 0.5.3 variants

20:25:07 mircea_popescu: odd, they really shouldn't match

20:25:08 ascii_field: mp_strange was on the 'stator' build

20:25:23 ascii_field: why shouldn't they match ?

20:26:16 mircea_popescu: cuz bdb strange

20:26:24 ascii_field: these aren't bdb files!

20:26:33 ascii_field: they're blkxxxx.dat format

20:26:36 ascii_field: nothing to do with bdb

20:27:07 ascii_field: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1527

20:27:08 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYAiIi )

20:31:03 ascii_field: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0771

20:31:04 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1IL2dm4 )

20:51:28 BingoBoingo: Google, not the Rebel Flag is the real racist http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/06/30/google_s_image_recognition_software_returns_some_surprisingly_racist_results.html

20:51:28 assbot: Google's image recognition software returns some surprisingly racist results. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYCQ9s )

20:52:07 trinque: lol!

20:52:21 mircea_popescu: it's ok, google has letter from stalin.

20:52:25 mircea_popescu: stop being racist.

20:54:54 trinque: While Google’s efforts to solve this problem are admirable, it’s still troubling that it happened at all. As Alciné wrote on Twitter, “I understand HOW this happens; the problem is moreso on the WHY.” << oh for fuck's sake

20:55:23 trinque: someday soon they're going to start calling this kind of shit something as stupid as "micro-terrorism"

20:55:48 *: trinque tries to come up with a more fitting euphemistic propaganda term

20:58:27 trinque: neh I like micro-terrorism... there it stays

20:59:54 trinque: http://www.uwsp.edu/acadaff/NewFacultyResources/NFSRacialMicroaggressions_Table.pdf << lawl

20:59:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYDELx )

21:24:36 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:24:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if you have any other nodes of this kind, consider posting the hash

21:25:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17221 @ 0.00046918 = 8.0797 BTC [+]

21:25:36 mircea_popescu: ascii_field atm re-doing filecopying.

21:36:24 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181836 <<< the plastic shit is everywhere :\

21:36:24 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 16:24:21; ben_vulpes: and i'm being dramatic about the plastics, there's a many-in-one stroller thing that a relative mentioned getting for us

21:40:51 cazalla: and even if you don't buy it or try to limit it, well intentioned friends and family try to load you up with all manner of shit

21:41:21 shinohai: Possible r/bitcoiner? http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/06/portland_man_arrested_for_viol.html#incart_most-read_

21:41:22 assbot: Portland man arrested for violent tantrum after seeing Comcast worker in bedroom | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5wi8U )

21:42:11 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Likely

21:42:38 cazalla: don't you ever touch a white man's modem

21:43:16 shinohai: Nah he was probably being defensive because he was afraid they would find his My Little Pony playset or something.

21:43:27 cazalla: he does look like an mlp fag eh

21:44:44 shinohai: I have only seen the Comcast guy 2 times in 5 years in this place I live.

21:48:04 shinohai: There is a slight spelling error in this document: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt

21:48:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5xA3A )

21:49:12 BingoBoingo: !s electrum

21:49:13 assbot: 189 results for 'electrum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=electrum

21:49:37 trinque: shinohai: I noticed that as well

21:49:44 trinque: "oppinion"

21:49:48 shinohai: ^

21:49:59 *: shinohai is a spelling Nazi

21:50:01 mats: http://gcc.godbolt.org

21:50:02 assbot: Compiler Explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5xWay )

21:50:25 mats: found it just in time for my education

21:50:35 trinque: ah that's cool

21:51:23 trinque: UI's a little dumb

21:51:35 trinque: I tend to call that periscope UI

21:51:47 trinque: where you're looking through a tiny window at some scrollable thing

21:51:54 trinque: needs moar pixels

21:53:37 BingoBoingo: Anyone try running electrum-server yet against Foundation or later build? Once stator on craptop syncs on craptop I plan on seeing if they get along

21:54:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.01227109 = 1.2271 BTC [-] {6}

21:55:05 trinque: !up CheckDavid

21:55:25 CheckDavid: when I want to talk here I never manage to get voice lol

21:55:29 shinohai: @ BingoBoingo I did but I failed :/

21:55:38 trinque: CheckDavid: pm someone voiced when that happens

21:55:41 shinohai: Heaven't tried in a while though. I was drunk.

21:56:08 trinque: !gettrust CheckDavid

21:56:08 assbot: CheckDavid is not registered in WoT.

21:56:21 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Ah. If you try again let me know what they errors were like. Still prolly have a month or so before craptop finishes sync

21:56:52 shinohai: craptop ?

21:56:58 trinque: !h

21:56:58 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

21:57:02 trinque: CheckDavid: ^

21:57:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181614 @ 0.0004773 = 86.6844 BTC [+] {4}

21:58:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52186 @ 0.00048707 = 25.4182 BTC [+]

21:58:59 shinohai: @ BingoBoingo I have been able to run it against termcoin, which I don't recommend as a real wallet.

21:59:38 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Was recently gifted second laptop. Single core AMD 64bit atom-like processor. Testing stator 0.5.4 build, once sync'd will likely dick around with electrum server against a foundation build with aim of eventually setting up a dedi-box

22:00:13 shinohai: I have a dedi server for foundation use if we do get electrum running

22:04:30 *: BingoBoingo hoping I don't have to make a bunch of patches to the RPC for this to work

22:05:42 shinohai: The only issue I had was importing private keys, but I solved that.

22:07:28 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181952 <<< perhaps a rash on her pussy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLnPKUPE4yo

22:07:28 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: in even further news, overheard in the street like an hour ago : "mommy, mommy! is it a good sign when your fanny itches ?"

22:07:28 assbot: Larry David - Curb Your Enthusiasm "Pussy Rash" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5AyFs )

22:07:53 trinque: ^gross

22:08:40 *: trinque commits microaggression against the differently-hygiened

22:10:15 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina

22:10:17 gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 262.746045, Best ask: 262.88298, Bid-ask spread: 0.13693, Last trade: 262.775043, 24 hour volume: 31846.62470000, 24 hour low: 256.037841, 24 hour high: 268.3926, 24 hour vwap: 262.529039618

22:20:35 mats: microterrorism, foo

22:22:36 cazalla: making up your own microaggression is nanoaggresion mats

22:23:15 cazalla: and anyway, people in this channel make gigaaggressions

22:23:18 mats: we'll leave it to twitter to decide wut is wut

22:25:14 punkman: lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIxwLt_UEAAbmcL.jpg

22:25:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5DBxa )

22:26:41 shinohai: I'll bet r/bitcoin had that CNN feed up praying that it triggers mass Greek adoption.

22:27:30 punkman: Greece has barely even adopted credit cards

22:33:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45225 @ 0.00048728 = 22.0372 BTC [+] {2}

22:40:30 shinohai: hue, motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-is-unsustainable?trk_source=homepage-lede

22:40:31 assbot: Bitcoin Is Unsustainable | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5GPkq )

22:43:08 jurov: BingoBoingo: electrum did require patches even in 0.8

22:43:18 BingoBoingo: Ah

22:44:23 shinohai: hmm

22:48:27 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/haY5dyt.png

22:48:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5IgiI )

22:48:56 BingoBoingo: ^ Free to be Liberia

22:51:35 cazalla: that pic isn't really a fair representation of the problematic hambeasts

22:53:03 cazalla: needs more coloured hair, piercings, tats, triple chins and no dress sense

23:18:38 trinque: "That makes Bitcoin about 5,033 times more energy intensive, per transaction, than VISA" << what a crock of shit

23:18:51 trinque: you have to count every payment processor in the whole byzantine credit card system if you're going to play that game

23:19:17 trinque: ^ from BingoBoingo's motherboard article

23:25:03 decimation: ^ plus all the bureaucrats who work for visa/banks/usg to 'oversee' the system

23:25:33 decimation: and the care, feeding, coddling thereof

23:28:54 shinohai: That same tired argument has echoed from every supporter of PoS for as long as I can remember.

23:35:13 scoopbot_revived: Current Greek Capital Controls http://qntra.net/2015/06/current-greek-capital-controls/

23:41:53 trinque: lol... goxxed

23:49:59 BingoBoingo: Goxxed indeed