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00:02:40 Namworld: Regarding dragonflies... When doing canoe/kayak on a river and being pestered by large black flies. It's fun to watch dragonflies sweep in and catch the flies in flight.

00:05:06 mircea_popescu: o ya.

00:05:11 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckvBLS58sk << fucking ballet check that out

00:05:11 assbot: Dragonfly Slow Motion - YouTube

00:06:04 Namworld: Eheh

00:07:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00075125 = 8.0759 BTC [-]

00:22:04 BingoBoingo: CuNTs https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j7GNikx7GnU/VClcxRgYiiI/AAAAAAAAEho/Zk25G01pzaU/s1600/cunt.jpg

00:43:17 BingoBoingo: Vexual: You're up early today

00:44:12 Vexual: yes yes

00:46:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17383 @ 0.00075125 = 13.059 BTC [-]

00:56:09 dub: mircea_popescu: related http://tabletopwhale.com/

00:56:10 assbot: Tabletop Whale

01:05:59 cazalla: damn, leo treasure got ganked for 750btc

01:06:24 kakobrekla: hows that?

01:06:42 cazalla: http://www.coindesk.com/early-bitcoin-adopter-calls-multi-sig-solutions-750-btc-theft/

01:06:42 assbot: Early Bitcoin Adopter Calls for Multi-Sig Solutions After 750 BTC Theft

01:08:00 cazalla: every time i've seen him on tv it's because he's been scammed

01:08:21 dub: yeah, 750 should be nothing in teh grander scheme of his losses

01:09:28 kakobrekla: former computer science student and bitcoin entrepreneur from Perth, Australia, told CoinDesk he was traveling in Bali and didn’t think connecting to public Wi-Fi could be a security issue as his bitcoins were stored locally.

01:09:35 kakobrekla: cmon.

01:10:06 JuliaTourianski: this happened in washington at the meetup...

01:10:22 JuliaTourianski: conference*

01:10:36 JuliaTourianski: circle jerk*

01:11:15 dub: wait his handle is Treasure?

01:11:36 dub: oh

01:13:08 cazalla: Treasureless now

01:17:47 ben_vulpes: good afternoooooon

01:19:54 Vexual: i don't think multisig is the sultion to his error

01:21:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.00075068 = 14.2442 BTC [-]

01:25:57 ben_vulpes: <fluffypony> please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins` << oh ho why is that?

01:26:29 Vexual: first time bali?

01:26:47 ben_vulpes: wow what the fuck is wrong with you Vexual

01:27:06 ben_vulpes: is there a lunar eclipse wherever you live and you can get out of the coffin out of schedule?

01:27:11 ben_vulpes: solar

01:27:12 Vexual: oh i was talking about leo treasures misfortune

01:27:12 ben_vulpes: dammit

01:28:15 Vexual: and how having another key on that fat wallet migth have brought more misfortune

01:30:31 Vexual: "first time in bali?" is always like the first or second question

01:30:47 nubbins`: "Treasure’s remaining coins are in multi-sig wallets and Casascius physical coins. "

01:31:43 nubbins`: thickasthieves was saying something about this the other day

01:33:08 nubbins`: well, similar, anyway

01:33:09 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#826634

01:33:11 assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 17:12:58; ThickAsThieves: well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins

01:34:00 nubbins`: s/sell/be relieved of

01:39:12 dub: Vexual: no shit, always a good idea to carry $.25m on your person where the locals would gut you for a bowl of rice

01:43:26 mircea_popescu: dub not bad

01:43:40 mircea_popescu: ;;seen leotreasure

01:43:41 gribble: leotreasure was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <leotreasure> they're in the final process

01:45:53 mircea_popescu: Multi-sig addresses, he wrote are ?the only viable solution for securing bitcoins?. <<< pushing this shit incredibly hard are we.

01:46:33 mircea_popescu: "The standard model is to require two out of three keys to spend from a balance ? of those keys, one goes to the user, one to the service (exchange or wallet) provider and another to a trusted third party." << how the fuck is this going to help anything for crying out loud

01:46:36 mircea_popescu: such nonsense.

01:46:54 BingoBoingo: Interesting history of a software prng http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014_arc4random/mgp00001.html

01:48:55 Vexual: balinese dice?

01:49:54 mircea_popescu: cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue.

01:50:14 mircea_popescu: instead of linking to a coindesk piece, just rewrite it so it's no longer FUCKTARDED, publish it and link that.

01:50:15 Vexual: aren't we here

01:50:24 Vexual: hmm

01:50:27 mircea_popescu: win-win.

01:50:45 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i looked elsewhere but it seems he spoke to them about it

01:51:17 mircea_popescu: only reason anyone's speaking to them is because of this false perception of "leadership"

01:51:23 mircea_popescu: exactly same reason derps flock to tardstalk

01:51:50 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dqrmx/coindesk_is_deleting_comments_that_question_the/ for that matter.

01:51:52 assbot: Coindesk is deleting comments that question the validity of their articles. : Bitcoin

01:52:11 mircea_popescu: it's a shithole of the first degree, and it only continues to exist because everyone's like... meh, whatever, ragazines.

01:52:34 cazalla: is that an endoresment to start one?

01:52:36 mircea_popescu: it wasn't so bad back when the bitpay & co set of scammers that had stolen bitcoin magazine were still hoping that brand's not now dead,

01:52:38 mircea_popescu: but meanwhile...

01:52:48 mircea_popescu: cazalla definitely.

01:53:25 mircea_popescu: im sick of reading fucktarded goop because that's where people link for a story like that because apparently nobody else wrote it.

01:53:44 mircea_popescu: it's like having all fruit glacee'd in shit. how about someone start a greengrocer already, we don't need any of this glacee business.

01:53:47 kakobrekla: mostly only people who already know the real story are interested in it, not your avg reader

01:54:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the average reader'd be interested in where his butthole is, if he could strain his brain enough to learn he even has one.

01:54:34 Vexual: im thinkin paywall

01:55:07 kakobrekla: i think the question 'who are you writing for' is in place

01:55:17 kakobrekla: for us - redundant.

01:55:48 mircea_popescu: hm.

01:56:17 mircea_popescu: problem is if you let this shit continue indefinitely you'll have an endless stream of idiots with firmly entrenched idiocies.

01:56:35 mircea_popescu: "99% don't give a shit about gavin's latest stupidity, but this is not a signal to stfu and go home"

01:56:59 mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!"

01:57:08 *: BingoBoingo wonders where a managing editor might be found. Experience with this seems to be the scarce piece.

01:57:08 mircea_popescu: well done, core devs for a project that massively ignores you.

01:57:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the problem is the sort of drive.

01:57:27 mircea_popescu: what's needed is someone willing and able to put 16 hour days into this for years.

01:57:45 mircea_popescu: an arrington is what's needed in this space. and by god this is the chance for someone like that to become something like that.

01:58:03 Vexual: i know little enough to edit

01:59:03 dub: what we really need is btc onion

01:59:47 kakobrekla: if you let this shit continue < way too much stuff continues to continue and noone can do shit.

01:59:49 cazalla: i'll have a think about it, i don't want to say yes unless i'll actually commit to it and have a plan of attack

01:59:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is true.

02:00:32 mircea_popescu: dub nah, sa got that covered.

02:00:56 mircea_popescu: cazalla ideally a team.

02:01:11 kakobrekla: and lots of css

02:01:26 TheNewDeal: where is the btc onion? I would like a link

02:01:27 mircea_popescu: no css.

02:01:34 Vexual: rss?

02:01:38 dub: bootstrap?

02:01:50 kakobrekla: html3 and css5

02:01:52 mircea_popescu: and none of the fucktarded retardation of that guy what's his name, the wanna-be competition for coindesk and co,

02:02:12 mircea_popescu: the guy that was here for five minutes but then concluded he has better things to do

02:02:25 mircea_popescu: with the same stupid head that then generated that entire "taking full responsibility" fiasco.

02:03:02 cazalla: coinfire?

02:03:44 mircea_popescu: right

02:03:46 cazalla: it became even stupider http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/26/lets-get-meta-site-ownership-via-token/

02:03:46 assbot: Let's Get Meta with Site Ownership via Token - Coin Fire

02:04:10 mircea_popescu: it's been going to shit ever since the guy ran out of his 6 months of time and "had to make revenue"

02:04:33 mircea_popescu: his attempts are so naive and idiotic it pains. definitely sunk the modicum of credibility he had amassed within two weeks.

02:04:49 mircea_popescu: which is what i mean. no movements like that. you run into management problems, come here and ask.

02:05:39 Vexual: ive got a good title

02:05:49 mircea_popescu: and it's unfortunate, too, because all that was easily avoidable.

02:05:59 mircea_popescu: but tim gotta tim all over the tim.

02:07:04 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: http://www.coinion.com/

02:07:05 assbot: The Coinion - Bitcoin's Finest News Source

02:08:17 kakobrekla: you defo need a few persons for this and compensated for

02:09:18 mircea_popescu: you can just exploit the current idiots. read and rewrite coindesk and co.

02:10:00 cazalla: that would be enough to get it off the ground until it has traction

02:10:53 Vexual: that huffington lady got richer with her news aggregator than she did maring into shipping

02:11:05 BingoBoingo: I dunno that Coindesk puts out enough material... Too many non-stories http://feeds.feedburner.com/CoinDesk

02:11:05 assbot: CoinDesk

02:11:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla exactly. and you'll know you got the traction cause they start bitcoing.

02:11:11 mircea_popescu: bitching*

02:11:26 mircea_popescu: and it'll be a fine thing too. hurting stuff like coindesk is worth it just on that basis alone.

02:11:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo to add salt to the cuts you can do a weekly roundup and mock their unpublishable shit.

02:12:05 kakobrekla: go ahead and try then

02:12:18 mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.

02:12:23 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski what are you doing these days ?

02:13:23 cazalla: i would want to run something like that by myself at first and bring people in later, too many chefs and all that

02:14:38 Duffer1: what would be written about that isn't already covered by bit-ass?

02:14:52 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'd be up for some story authoring, contributing to the cause. The too many chefs problem isn't about having too many people so much as a shitty heirarchy.

02:15:03 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it's mostly a format war.

02:15:26 mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo has it i think. just don't try and run "teams" you'll be fine.

02:16:49 BingoBoingo: It's the editors/writers problem that among other shit killed Coinfire.

02:17:23 BingoBoingo: Like the Chefs/Cooks problems that makes most people's restaurant dreams fail

02:17:44 decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion

02:17:45 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + "

02:17:53 BingoBoingo: Also LibreSSL update for the interested http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-libressl.html

02:17:53 assbot: LibreSSL: More Than 30 Days Later

02:18:42 mircea_popescu: decimation something like that.

02:19:01 thestringpuller: what is coinfire?

02:19:03 Vexual: i spent 2 hours of my life wathcing huffingtons interview on abc, it was interesting

02:19:10 decimation: I've looked into the numbers and it is pretty much impossible to verify that total

02:19:17 decimation: but it's also impossible to account for the dollar at all

02:19:35 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Coinfire is this site that was promising for a week and a half then turned full derp

02:19:43 decimation: it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more

02:21:19 mircea_popescu: decimation all that really matters is that the us has underwritten liabilities that exceed its ability to pay.

02:21:25 mircea_popescu: by how much is an academic point.

02:21:43 decimation: yes, the evidence for that statement is quite strong

02:21:49 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#850633 << sounds like fun

02:21:50 assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 02:12:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.

02:21:56 mircea_popescu: and there's no court in the world that can absolve it through a bankruptcy. whether they try to run one or not. kinda the fundamental reason it ended.

02:22:03 decimation: its choice is to either renig or go broke, it's that simple

02:22:09 mircea_popescu: can't renege.

02:22:12 mircea_popescu: and can't go broke.

02:22:23 mircea_popescu: it's choice is to start sucking cock or try a totalitarian state play.

02:22:31 mircea_popescu: it'll try both, fail both, and that's that.

02:24:47 Vexual: funnily space missions aren't insured generally

02:25:49 Dimsler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAYcqz54cw

02:25:49 assbot: Brooklyn Existentialism - YouTube

02:26:12 Dimsler: such a gem of video

02:27:23 TheNewDeal: truthfully?

02:27:30 Dimsler: yes

02:27:59 Dimsler: disprove all the theories of idiotic englightenment thinkers

02:29:14 TheNewDeal: for example

02:29:53 Dimsler: those are provided for you in the actual discussion

02:29:58 Dimsler: if you bother to listen to it

02:30:36 decimation: speaking of totalitarian play, Australia is pioneering that one: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/parliament-bullied-to-pass-national-security-laws-says-greens-senator-scott-ludlam-20140924-10lir9.html

02:31:33 decimation: "Other concerns he and others have raised relate to the lack of whistleblower protections in the new laws, which jail those who "recklessly" disclose intelligence information. That would include journalists, bloggers or officials, who could be jailed for 10 years"

02:31:49 Dimsler: lol australia

02:32:08 Vexual: yep united states sandbox

02:32:37 cazalla: no more waltzing matilda for me

02:34:17 decimation: I like the "recklessly" in quotes, because they really wanted to say вредительство

02:34:33 Vexual: trasnlation?

02:34:43 Dimsler: its a form of crime

02:34:50 Dimsler: to cause harm

02:35:08 Dimsler: commie lingo

02:35:08 Vexual: more info?

02:35:18 Vexual: |more

02:35:24 decimation: "wrecker", but hearkening back to RSFSR penal codes that allow anyone to be jailed because they were found to be thwarting the great leader's plans

02:35:33 Dimsler: the term means to sabotage a political insititue

02:35:38 cazalla: interestingly, google image search for вредительство shows wrecking balls

02:35:51 mircea_popescu: the term means to pose a threat to the delusions of sovereignity of one less powerful.

02:35:51 Vexual: hmm

02:36:00 Vexual: ahh

02:36:00 Dimsler: yes

02:36:20 mircea_popescu: in the original case, the "workers" and their "party"

02:36:53 decimation: in pratice, anyone who was 'volunteered' to go to the gulag by someone who wanted to 'prove' how powerful they were

02:39:11 decimation: mircea made some good points on this subject but I think the logs were lost

02:39:35 TheNewDeal: dimsler, are marx and freud considered enlightenment thinkers to you?

02:48:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5585 @ 0.00075059 = 4.192 BTC [-] {2}

02:49:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7015 @ 0.00074936 = 5.2568 BTC [-]

02:53:00 mircea_popescu: decimation im sure i still have them, somewhere. i dun recall this discussion tho.

02:53:51 decimation: you wrote about how those who went to the gulag were volunteers (or volunteered) by people who wanted to be somebodies

02:54:23 mircea_popescu: lessee

02:55:33 mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag

02:55:33 assbot: 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+volunteer+gulag

02:55:59 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747378

02:56:02 assbot: Logged on 07-07-2014 10:46:38; mircea_popescu: well... the gulag wasn't avoidable, not practically.

02:56:28 mircea_popescu: o there we go. ty asciilifeform

02:57:05 thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. /// seems like these things never last though, the talent scatters so quickly these days. i'm into the idea though

02:57:32 mircea_popescu: amusingly, gulag references are very sparse in the year before stan showed up

02:57:47 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves which is why drive's what's needed yeah

02:59:16 thickasthieves: just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :)

02:59:50 decimation: as I recall assbot was down when the conversation I recall happened - or I could be wrong

03:00:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, interesting to examine etymology of gulag

03:00:52 Vexual: sounds like hungarian stew to my ear

03:01:12 asciilifeform: гулаг == главное управление лагерей и мест заключения ~= 'main management of camps and places of confinement.'

03:01:29 asciilifeform: so it's really a proxy word, like 'mikado' (door to throne room) in japan, or 'the crown' in english world

03:01:32 thickasthieves: gulash + lag

03:01:56 thickasthieves: goulash*

03:02:37 thickasthieves: they called it "american chop suey" in my elementary school

03:03:23 TheNewDeal: dimsler, despite the disagreement on who are Enlightment thinkers, this video has been six sigmas above the average quality of youtube content

03:04:10 cazalla: most importantly, do i name the site prefixcoin.com, coinsuffix.com or perhaps even bitsuffix.com

03:05:00 thickasthieves: call it The Biz

03:05:09 Vexual: period0

03:05:53 cazalla: blockchaim.com seeing it's all jews

03:06:10 thickasthieves: shaveandahaircut.bit

03:06:32 punkman: cazalla: or you could have neither bit or coin, you know something different

03:07:08 hanbot: heathen!

03:07:21 decimation: someone should apply for the .coin tld

03:07:34 cazalla: punkman, i was being facetious, from memory fraudsters recommends domain with first 2 letters unique to other sites one visits

03:07:54 thickasthieves: i joked about IPOing a fund to buy crypto-TLDs

03:08:28 thickasthieves: news.club is only $20

03:08:55 thickasthieves: there's a news.wtf

03:08:57 thickasthieves: heh

03:09:03 Vexual: club is goode

03:09:18 thickasthieves: so many domains now

03:09:26 punkman: too many

03:09:32 kakobrekla: it turns out you can just print them

03:09:34 kakobrekla: like money!

03:09:48 thickasthieves: but .com is so much more valuable

03:09:50 thickasthieves: !

03:09:54 punkman: I grabbed a .company, to be revealed

03:10:06 cazalla: bit.press

03:10:19 thickasthieves: disassociated.press

03:10:31 punkman: I vote for chumpatron.whatever

03:10:31 Vexual: meh

03:10:55 TheNewDeal: derponomics

03:10:58 cazalla: chumpatron.com avail heh

03:11:01 thickasthieves: disassociated.press must exist already

03:11:28 Vexual: if it doesnt, it shoudn't

03:11:42 thickasthieves: lol

03:11:57 thickasthieves: call it rooters then

03:12:30 punkman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociated_press

03:12:30 assbot: Dissociated press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:13:10 thickasthieves: different word tho

03:13:32 punkman: I like that one better

03:14:06 thickasthieves: i can tget over these stupid Frank & Oak ads

03:14:14 thickasthieves: what did i buy to deserve this

03:14:36 Vexual: rooters lol

03:15:06 thickasthieves: could rip off the Hooters logo

03:15:28 thickasthieves: hire saffron to do the summary thing

03:15:51 kakobrekla: that woman is annoying to watch.

03:15:51 Vexual: hes all business this cunt

03:16:18 thickasthieves: well thats why she gets naked

03:16:28 punkman: heh

03:16:45 kakobrekla: only makes it worse

03:17:04 thickasthieves: fine dont hire her!

03:17:16 kakobrekla: lol i dun care

03:17:20 thickasthieves: :)

03:17:38 punkman: so much derp http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2014/09/04/mens-fashion-frank-and-oak-15-million/

03:17:39 assbot: Millennial Men's Fashion Retailer Frank And Oak Raises $15 Million - Forbes

03:18:03 punkman: "We love commerce, especially new forms of e-commerce which are mobile first,"

03:18:38 thickasthieves: let's make Ernest Hemingway a metrosexual! great idea, here's $15m!

03:19:16 Vexual: thats like 7/10ths of asicminer

03:19:39 dub: derpington post?

03:19:53 TheNewDeal: nothing must be a better bubble predicter than the success of usian fashion businesses

03:20:24 punkman: http://recode.net/2014/07/31/nordstrom-will-pay-350-million-for-trunk-club/

03:20:25 assbot: Nordstrom Will Pay $350 Million for Trunk Club | Re/code

03:20:29 thickasthieves: we're trailblazers in trailblazing

03:20:50 punkman: mobile first trailblazing

03:21:25 thickasthieves: i'm a fan of selling things where i can sell things

03:21:42 Vexual: nice first exit; i like the style

03:35:57 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves> just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) <<< nah the problem is that ba blogs are author driven, and authors can't generally be arsed to discuss events like leotreasure getting stolen from.

03:36:22 mircea_popescu: this is why a newspaper is not just editors. gotta have someone out there on the beat, too

03:37:29 mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> call it The Biz <<< this is a great idea.

03:38:00 asciilifeform: leotreasure getting stolen from << lol, so that's an 'event' ? squirrel run over on my street, also 'event' ?

03:38:04 mircea_popescu: <punkman> I grabbed a .company, to be revealed << o ?

03:38:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. people wanna talk about these, and so coindesk ends up linked.

03:38:58 mircea_popescu: this is a problem/

03:48:46 punkman: mircea_popescu: planning for that coin I mentioned

03:58:19 JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu you know coindesk does not pay their writers in btc? also, they change 90% of their writers' articles without conscent.

03:59:09 punkman: JuliaTourianski: do you know what they pay per article?

03:59:16 punkman: $10-$20?

04:00:28 JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu and to answer your question, I'm posting things like this: "If you're gonna off yourself because of the bitcoin 'price crash', do us all a favor and turn off your mining operation first." because i mean it.

04:00:38 JuliaTourianski: punkman erm i can ask

04:07:44 cazalla: JuliaTourianski, do you mine?

04:08:28 JuliaTourianski: cazalla no, do u

04:08:55 cazalla: why would you want them to switch off before offing themselves?

04:09:41 cazalla: JuliaTourianski, i have a miner but it's really just for fun

04:10:05 punkman: JuliaTourianski: it's good for you when other's lose their coins

04:11:15 JuliaTourianski: cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining.

04:12:28 punkman: ;;bc,stats

04:12:34 gribble: Current Blocks: 323135 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32430956879.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.43502

04:12:47 punkman: are we betting against difficulty yet

04:14:33 cazalla: only once and i won that bet, never again

04:15:02 punkman: I'm guessing the big miners can keep the lights on for a while

04:15:11 punkman: even at $350

04:15:24 xanthyos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BywN6UVCQAAowRK.png

04:15:30 cazalla: actually that's not right, i've won no a few times

04:15:31 decimation: people are paying to rent above what they can find mining (in btc)

04:16:33 The20YearIRCloud: Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor

04:16:50 decimation: congrats!

04:17:00 cazalla: good luck bro

04:17:58 The20YearIRCloud: And interestingly enough, there's multiple contraction timers for android

04:18:04 ben_vulpes: midwest water birth?

04:18:08 ben_vulpes: > tub of corn syrup

04:18:28 The20YearIRCloud: We're going to the hospital

04:18:45 ben_vulpes: ah

04:18:51 dub: just stopped to tell the internet

04:18:53 ben_vulpes: so 50/g corn syurp tub

04:18:55 The20YearIRCloud: at some point

04:18:58 ben_vulpes: $50/g

04:19:05 The20YearIRCloud: She's not a fan of the homebirth/waterbirth/ect

04:19:24 cazalla: just cut it out, over in 15m

04:19:38 ben_vulpes: cunt intact

04:19:44 ben_vulpes: downsides?

04:19:54 cazalla: downside is i had to do everything for like 6 weeks

04:20:01 The20YearIRCloud: Although my brother's wife was into it , and she had to end up being rushed to the hospital

04:20:14 ben_vulpes: modern hospitals offer modern birth

04:20:17 The20YearIRCloud: The recovery for C-Section is much longer, and risk of infection is much higher

04:20:19 ben_vulpes: dafuq is going on over there

04:20:26 ben_vulpes: water* birth

04:20:40 The20YearIRCloud: Hospitals certainly are nice, the thing I hate about some of them though is how un-clean their rooms are

04:20:51 ben_vulpes: can't win for america-ing

04:20:53 The20YearIRCloud: But thankfully the one that's near us has a specific wing for only birthing, nothing else

04:23:32 ben_vulpes: good grief gmail now shows a link to "view pull request in webview"

04:23:41 ben_vulpes: pretty sure this must be old as i don't really gmail too much

04:23:54 ben_vulpes: well, "view pull request" in list view of mails

04:28:54 cazalla: how many kids ya got The20YearIRCloud

04:29:02 The20YearIRCloud: 2 plus this one

04:30:02 cazalla: know what you're having this time?

04:30:33 ben_vulpes: !up Vexual

04:30:50 ben_vulpes: ;;ident Vexual

04:30:51 gribble: Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.

04:30:53 Vexual: shoa

04:31:01 Vexual: ahh

04:31:14 ben_vulpes: lol Vexual can't up sober

04:31:30 Vexual: 20 year, think you might wanna warm the engine and check the fluids?

04:32:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13317 @ 0.00075139 = 10.0063 BTC [+] {2}

04:34:11 The20YearIRCloud: Hospital is 5 minutes away

04:34:30 The20YearIRCloud: I could throw her in a wheelbarrow if I had to i guess and wal kthere

04:34:54 Vexual: all about the re

04:35:00 dub: thats what got him into this mess

04:37:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11813 @ 0.00075151 = 8.8776 BTC [+] {2}

04:37:40 Vexual: 10 im truly poweless

04:39:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10352 @ 0.00075272 = 7.7922 BTC [+]

04:42:22 punkman: https://github.com/gordonwritescode/cointract.me

04:42:23 assbot: gordonwritescode/cointract.me GitHub

04:43:16 punkman: color made me think it was python for a sec

04:43:48 ben_vulpes: Vexual: i dunno how to help, boss

04:44:10 Vexual: ne sweat, jusy keep being the boss

04:44:13 ben_vulpes: tasty tasty js

04:44:16 punkman: https://cointract.me/jobs/542909c5bcda2c3a3a6fe374

04:44:16 assbot: Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.

04:44:18 ben_vulpes: fwiw i never got insight to build

04:44:22 ben_vulpes: "build"

04:44:26 Vexual: you'll be my go to guy

04:44:34 ben_vulpes: ran into a npm hell-tuation

04:44:58 ben_vulpes: punkman: " built in Laravel or another OOP PHP framework"

04:45:05 *: ben_vulpes backs away slowly

04:45:31 punkman: oppressed.me is a lulzy domain

04:46:07 Vexual: for js

04:46:19 punkman: check the deedbot clone https://cointract.me/jobs/54290539bcda2c3a3a6fe36b

04:46:19 assbot: Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.

04:46:51 punkman: "user can choose to pay a bit extra to receive a notarized document attesting to the science and accuracy of the upload that should hold up in court without having to hire a Bitcoin expert. "

04:46:55 Vexual: time not important, only results

04:48:13 punkman: !up MolokoDesk

04:50:41 ben_vulpes: Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7CYvh8FwA#t=224

04:50:42 assbot: Mastodon "The Motherload" (Official Music Video) - YouTube

04:50:55 Vexual: big bada boom in the cab

04:51:06 *: Vexual looking

04:51:11 Duffer1: good lord

04:52:11 ben_vulpes: bouncy bouncy

04:52:18 Vexual: duly noted

04:54:14 punkman: https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/512794761254551554

04:54:16 assbot: If you are going to sell 0 day (which I don't recommend), using a convicted felon as a broker seems unnecessarily risky.

04:57:42 mircea_popescu: lmao

04:57:43 mircea_popescu: what ?

04:58:00 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski yes i know.

04:58:39 mircea_popescu: <JuliaTourianski> cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. << this is like the first clever thing i recall you saying

04:59:28 JuliaTourianski: "and then kill yourself". don't omit that

05:01:06 mircea_popescu: :p

05:01:39 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud> Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor << mazel tov

05:02:46 mircea_popescu: dub> just stopped to tell the internet << the wot dood. tis important.,

05:03:48 The20YearIRCloud: is mazeltov one of those labor/birth things?

05:04:13 mircea_popescu: <punkman> color made me think it was python for a sec << lol colorcoded codes ?

05:05:00 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud well it's financial for "good luck"

05:05:17 The20YearIRCloud: I don't know many jews/people that speek yidish

05:05:27 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re commits, if an individual copied and pasted a block of code, i'm going to have a hard time believing that they actually understand it.

05:05:58 Vexual: i wonder if mircea_popescu knows how fortuitous it is for a dragonfly to collide with a dragons head

05:06:00 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why ?

05:06:08 ben_vulpes: experience.

05:06:09 mircea_popescu: when people repeat what the priest tells them to say ?

05:06:17 mircea_popescu: you gonna annull all mariages now ?

05:06:21 ben_vulpes: copy pasted code in my experience is rarely understood.

05:06:49 ben_vulpes: what is a marriage? what does the priest have to say matter a whit?

05:07:12 mircea_popescu: point being, people copy/paste code to get married.

05:07:27 ben_vulpes: i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v

05:07:44 ben_vulpes: what i do understand are the rules that bind her to me.

05:07:47 mircea_popescu: dun worry, they'll come back to byte.

05:07:55 Vexual: ug

05:08:11 ben_vulpes: that's the point i'm making - i copy pasted that code, so to speak, without understanding it.

05:08:18 ben_vulpes: shit's going to get messy w/r/t taxes etc

05:09:07 mircea_popescu: hm.

05:09:14 ben_vulpes: hm wat

05:10:55 Vexual: you tell em yuo live in the volcano in balinese, you'll soon know if theyre from java

05:10:57 ben_vulpes: (on another topic, i concede that you're right as always about plagiarised commits: the signature only implies responsibility for the contents)

05:11:40 mircea_popescu: hm im considering your theory.

05:11:43 mircea_popescu: seems drastic.

05:12:15 ben_vulpes: under lawcode, i cannot actually know what i'm bound by.

05:13:18 ben_vulpes: this is derived from your "no groups, only individuals" theories.

05:13:51 Vexual: yeah

05:14:23 Vexual: i know what your grandmother knows instills more frear than i know what you dont know

05:14:43 punkman: ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then?

05:14:45 Vexual: its better to say no and smile ho

05:15:52 Vexual: even better, dont bring a macbook with a million bucks and a bitcoin tshirt, the shit will dissapear before the chloroform kicks in

05:16:02 ben_vulpes: punkman: transfer of ownership, so to speak.

05:16:49 Vexual: first time in bali?

05:17:07 punkman: ben_vulpes: bencode don't do that?

05:18:16 ben_vulpes: assuredly does, but what machines run that code?

05:20:19 Vexual: oshit

05:21:37 ben_vulpes: punkman: v machine: of course. k machine: indubitably. f machine? not so much. usg machine? not in my wildest dreams.

05:21:54 ben_vulpes: what is a marriage to the wot?

05:22:07 ben_vulpes: hm.

05:22:45 punkman: well the two machines that matter run it

05:23:27 ben_vulpes: do only two machines matter?

05:23:34 dub: Vexual: cialis brother, valium, viaaaaaggar

05:23:44 Vexual: rampage

05:25:54 punkman: ben_vulpes: the more the merrier of course :P

05:29:53 Vexual: summon pankakke

05:30:17 Vexual: ;;gogle 212 piff

05:30:17 gribble: Error: "gogle" is not a valid command.

05:33:20 Vexual: remeber that time?

05:33:37 Vexual: do you even mine?

05:33:54 Vexual: yes yes

05:35:00 Vexual: yes yes

05:39:38 Vexual: ;;seen pankakke

05:39:38 gribble: I have not seen pankakke.

05:39:47 Vexual: ;;seen pankkake

05:39:49 gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <pankkake> http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-brokers-trade-millions-without-exchange/

05:41:23 Vexual: how quaint

05:45:22 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJJV1nruUUA

05:51:05 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II

05:51:42 Vexual: extacy is called barney coz of the previous

05:52:38 Vexual: an dso is the affect of the colony petey

05:54:10 Vexual: you can check that on eatabilty

05:55:41 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuqEbRzy_t8 leave your mobile phone at home and come alone

05:56:42 Vexual: perlboy

05:59:11 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt << cardanomerch is going to be as popular as sumerian urmerch. but hey, nonzero!

06:00:01 Vexual: hell do any dye you liek

06:00:30 Vexual: phase change and all

06:00:53 Vexual: ;;lasers

06:00:54 Vexual: really?

06:00:54 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

06:01:48 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947tGsiv4lQ

06:01:50 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants << "honey, is that a revolucion in your pocket? or..."

06:05:04 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'

06:05:04 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla:isnt that a bit fast << lel

06:07:39 Vexual: leets look for truths

06:07:59 Vexual: got any?

06:08:38 Vexual: will you eat bacon in australie pete?

06:09:10 Vexual: it's kinda becoming a thing lately

06:09:20 mircea_popescu: punkman> ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? << lawlcode :D

06:10:48 pete_dushenski: Vexual: absolutely

06:11:02 pete_dushenski: it's kinda been a thing in north america since always

06:11:15 Vexual: somethong missing from taht version is the cadillac bit

06:11:37 Vexual: its like the prche bit, but more american

06:11:44 pete_dushenski: nao it's bacon-flavoured toast, coffee, pizza pops, you name it.

06:12:05 Vexual: pizza pop?

06:12:31 punkman: it pops because microwave

06:12:43 pete_dushenski: it's a pillsbury food-like product

06:12:52 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lawskycode

06:12:59 Vexual: youll go better with my itinery

06:13:07 ben_vulpes: nite all

06:13:14 pete_dushenski: plastic dough wrapped around plastic cheese and pseudomeat

06:13:21 pete_dushenski: later ben_vulpes !

06:13:29 Vexual: weird cunt

06:13:39 pete_dushenski: lol

06:13:47 Vexual: thats my little brother right there

06:14:01 pete_dushenski: it's sorta like a fleshlight for the mircowave

06:14:04 Vexual: all on js and erything else

06:14:29 pete_dushenski: http://www.delish.com/food-fun/weird-bacon-products#slide-9 << bacon ice cream

06:14:30 assbot: Best Bacon Products &#150; Bizarre Bacon Food - Delish.com

06:14:42 Vexual: thats not a thing

06:16:40 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikR3PT3Zb7Q&list=UUYjk_zY-iYR8YNfJmuzd70A

06:16:41 assbot: Bacon Tart - Handle It - YouTube

06:16:47 pete_dushenski: a bacon tart is

06:17:10 Vexual: ill reiterate my sydney itinery with |more info if u like pete

06:18:04 Vexual: the ferry will cure your ails

06:18:34 Vexual: the boss at doyles will tell you every shit happening noetjh of the river

06:18:46 Vexual: china town is real

06:18:50 punkman: I accidentally bought a thing of "yoghurt-like dessert", they were hiding it among the real yoghurt

06:19:03 xanthyos: the microwaveable fleshlight is called the bagel

06:19:04 punkman: not sweetened or anything, why do they call it dessert

06:19:34 Vexual: ug yoghurt

06:19:48 Vexual: bring me meat

06:20:13 mircea_popescu: punkman because "dessert" is not a regulated word

06:20:24 mircea_popescu: you can call stuff scraped off the sidewalk "dessert".

06:20:43 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime/videos << in case anyone here hasn't seen what american men aspire to accomplish in the kitchen

06:20:43 assbot: Epic Meal Time - YouTube

06:20:47 punkman: and "frozen dessert" for all packaged ice cream

06:21:17 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you can call scraped from the pond "escargot" too

06:21:31 pete_dushenski: though i suppose that's a little more tightly regulated

06:21:34 mircea_popescu: depends where.

06:21:40 mircea_popescu: not in france say.

06:21:56 pete_dushenski: c'est quoi?

06:22:10 pete_dushenski: this i did not know

06:25:45 punkman: suggestion: escargot fried in olive oil with rosemary and bacon

06:26:22 punkman: if only I could get some decent bacon

06:29:14 Vexual: theres a place for escargot in wooloomaloo

06:29:32 Vexual: on the main strip

06:29:46 Vexual: good wine list for luch

06:30:23 Vexual: gets cokey after dark

06:30:49 Vexual: le somethng

06:33:03 pete_dushenski: not entirely my cup of tea but if they can do escargot properly i'm sure it ain't all bad

06:33:12 Vexual: well theres duck

06:33:22 pete_dushenski: a now we're talking

06:33:30 Vexual: i dont eat snails either

06:33:44 Vexual: the boss is asian

06:33:54 Vexual: yes homo

06:34:10 Vexual: breads good too

06:34:26 Vexual: dunno where hes from, mental case

06:34:58 Vexual: no somellier

06:35:32 Vexual: prolly trolly you if yu o just want wine for lunch

06:35:59 Vexual: can u find it pete?

06:36:26 pete_dushenski: i'm sure :)

06:38:33 Vexual: i go to syney for work sometimes and i like alcohol frriendly places

06:41:46 Vexual: i saw angelina jolie one time, and she dint ven connect my wifi

06:41:56 Vexual: such haxor

06:44:14 RagnarDanneskjol: omk

06:44:36 Vexual: trasnslation?

06:44:42 RagnarDanneskjol: ud

06:44:55 RagnarDanneskjol: whatever teh command is

06:45:15 Vexual: kittens?\

06:45:29 RagnarDanneskjol: thats the one

06:45:43 Vexual: ;;laserkittens

06:45:44 gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*

06:46:25 mircea_popescu: as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, fraudsters main page now only loads randomly english articles.

06:46:42 Vexual: such 2014

06:47:41 mircea_popescu: there's exactly 1006 of 'em.

06:47:48 Vexual: bb will be devo

06:48:00 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

06:48:01 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.15, Best ask: 376.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 376.36, 24 hour volume: 17537.17319404, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272762684

06:48:04 RagnarDanneskjol: 1006 fraudsterss?

06:48:28 []bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 45(Y):55(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,166.

06:48:41 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol in english. there's like 5k or so in romanian

06:49:04 RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, well it would seem worth publishing the first 1k into hardback version. yes definetly should

06:49:06 mircea_popescu: 5823 actually.

06:49:32 mircea_popescu: that 1k is like >1mn words. would take a shelf.

06:49:36 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

06:49:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.17, Best ask: 376.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.83000, Last trade: 376.34, 24 hour volume: 17416.49132993, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272782225

06:49:41 RagnarDanneskjol: that many. I have lotta reading to do. the translations are pretty rough

06:49:47 Vexual: all kinda girls devo, dont discount the romainian angle

06:50:11 RagnarDanneskjol: at least an ebook then.

06:50:54 punkman: mircea_popescu: dump them in mthreat's thing so we can search

06:51:32 RagnarDanneskjol: well, ned to pay for it somehow

06:51:53 punkman: you just get a snippet and link, credits as usual

06:52:07 RagnarDanneskjol: ok - i dont know mthreats thing

06:52:18 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, fraudsters main page now only loads randomly english articles. << I guess Imma have to get reading practice from footnotes nao...

06:53:12 Vexual: imma take yo to the ballet bb

06:53:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you could also use the archive, it's by month/year

06:54:08 mircea_popescu: punkman google does a decent jerb!

06:54:10 BingoBoingo: Well, I could

06:54:37 BingoBoingo: <Vexual> imma take yo to the ballet bb << You don't need to use code words for strip club here

06:54:49 Vexual: no i mean thw ballet

06:54:50 pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible << she floats like a duck, burn her!

06:55:13 pete_dushenski: the nutcracker!

06:55:31 Vexual: i talk too mxch therwe too

06:56:11 pete_dushenski: not enough people talk at the ballet

06:56:19 Vexual: never felt alspeep yet tho

06:56:20 punkman: !s from:mircea_popescu fuck google

06:56:21 assbot: 19 results for 'from:mircea_popescu fuck google' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+fuck+google

06:56:42 mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies

06:56:42 assbot: 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+i+love+google+and+want+to+have+its+babies

06:56:44 pete_dushenski: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/29/firechat-messaging-app-gains-users-during-hong-kong-protests/

06:56:44 assbot: FireChat Messaging App Gains Users During Hong Kong Protests - Digits - WSJ

06:56:47 mircea_popescu: odd.

06:56:52 Vexual: fail

06:57:41 pete_dushenski: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id719829352?mt=8&&referrer=click%3D3219c86e-2bd6-4eee-ba61-0b8f9e525b43 << kinda interesting… internetless messaging

06:57:42 assbot: FireChat on the App Store on iTunes

06:58:31 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 55(Y):45(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,149.

06:58:46 Vexual: this is why kong kong apot petey

06:58:48 pete_dushenski: "The app is very good. The concept is also genius. What I don't care for are ma lot of people who aren't nice, or whose language isn't adequate to use when there are minors online. It's almost as if it needed a moderator in some of the chat rooms. Don't take me wrong p, I like the App a lot and that's why I gave it four stars."

06:59:08 pete_dushenski: ^some pretty derpy comments on the app page eg.

06:59:08 mircea_popescu: and on that note ima be off. laters all! see you @500 tomorro!

06:59:10 Vexual: cunt

06:59:25 Vexual: wait for 3 weeks mp

06:59:48 Vexual: im still liquidatinbg assets

07:00:02 pete_dushenski: ciao!

07:01:55 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXztxNSuArQ

07:04:14 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/516754881739505664

07:04:16 assbot: /hashtag/sibos2014?src=hash cliff notes: finance movers & shakers love the blockchain & /VitalikButerin; shit on /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash the currency.

07:04:50 pete_dushenski: fuckin assbot no le gusta hashtags

07:05:21 Vexual: no shit, you only jave to learn to dump shit once

07:05:27 pete_dushenski: more to the point, assbot can't make heads or tails of twobitidiot

07:05:39 Vexual: pardon me?

07:06:25 pete_dushenski: eh? what's to pardon?

07:07:11 Vexual: are you referring to me and asking for resturant advice?

07:08:04 pete_dushenski: neither really

07:10:53 Vexual: good answer

07:11:51 []bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,127.

07:12:52 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg

07:13:16 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" << sometimes the unbathed masses find glimmers of light shining through from under the door. most of them are happy to have any light at all, not even noticing that there's a door handle hitting them in the forehead. a few will see the door handle at all. fewer still will give it a twist... and end up here.

07:14:15 dub: sydney? eat at Mr Chows in the rocks then drink at stitch or mojo

07:15:03 dub: dont bother with the baxter

07:15:45 Vexual: wha??

07:16:06 pete_dushenski: a brouhaha!

07:17:34 Vexual: seems veryone loves the glittert city

07:19:26 pete_dushenski: Vexual: dub in case you own houses: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/09/30/australias-options-as-it-seeks-to-douse-house-prices/

07:19:26 assbot: Australias Options as It Seeks to Douse House Prices - Real Time Economics - WSJ

07:19:44 dub: !australia here

07:20:22 pete_dushenski: dub: what you can't own foreign real estate now?

07:20:52 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r34MG8b_Z3A

07:22:15 pete_dushenski: Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens, a long-term critic of so-called macroprudential policies aimed at dousing house prices, did an about-face last week, indicating for the first time that they may have a place. “It’s a worth a try,” Mr. Stevens said last week. “The worst that could happen is that it doesn’t have any effect.”

07:22:26 pete_dushenski: ^ because adverse effects are impossibru when you also control the stats dept

07:22:36 pete_dushenski: such lulz those central bankers

07:26:00 pete_dushenski: decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion << too low? (i usually like russ btw)

07:26:01 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + "

07:28:07 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gItT2XTcW64

07:28:57 Vexual: dont let nobody tax youy

07:32:19 cazalla: property is so fucked here

07:34:46 Vexual: how so?

07:36:09 cazalla: cost is too high so every cunt is subdividing and building even more sardine cans

07:36:28 Vexual: resisentiua;?

07:37:18 Vexual: try commerical if they dont like the lightwitch you gotta change it

07:37:50 Vexual: its the fuckin rools

07:40:39 Vexual: enhancing criminal intent

07:41:03 Vexual: im making goulash

07:41:43 cazalla: yum

07:42:25 cazalla: having steak and salad, gonna put some meat through the mincer so little one can have his first try of red meat

07:42:26 Vexual: its fail but delicious

07:43:30 pete_dushenski: g'day ozzies!

07:43:31 Vexual: let the sprog xhew it

07:43:44 Vexual: fucxin mincer

07:43:47 cazalla: he can't, almost 9 months and no teeth yet

07:44:01 Vexual: well let him wait

07:44:27 cazalla: nah, i want to get some red meat into him

07:44:36 Vexual: tru dat

07:45:12 Vexual: hes got teeth?

07:45:34 Vexual: dont mince it all

07:45:43 cazalla: no, none yet, seems like he has been teething for months but nothing has come through yet

07:46:22 cazalla: not so bad, missus complains he bites the titty, having teeth would make it worse

07:47:22 Vexual: steak then

07:47:50 cazalla: choking hazard

07:48:05 Vexual: well its steak or tit

07:48:12 cazalla: put it through mincer, can give him small spoonfuls at a time

07:48:26 Vexual: meh, its your kid

07:48:36 cazalla: so i'm told

07:48:55 Vexual: dont blame me if it somees out a furry

07:49:12 cazalla: lol

07:51:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo

07:54:01 cazalla: see coinjar.com will be charging 10% gst on bitcoin from 3rd next month

07:54:21 cazalla: https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/09/30/how-the-new-ato-guidance-affects-coinjar-users/

07:54:22 assbot: How the New ATO Guidance Affects CoinJar Users | CoinJar Blog

07:55:03 RagnarDanneskjol: crikey

07:56:14 Vexual: such is life

07:57:10 Vexual: i sold some coin thru coinjar, they took twice what i staked

07:57:32 Vexual: took em a week to solve it, never again

07:57:47 Vexual: face to face perhaps

08:00:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBDIMkE3Qeg

08:07:43 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-pqEdjgLQ

08:20:02 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGaPCqfHnU

08:25:47 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-0Eo0Yk0o

08:25:48 assbot: Buju Banton - Untold Stories - YouTube

08:27:23 cazalla: you 2 and your nignog tunes

08:29:34 Vexual: lol

08:29:48 Vexual: itll get worse before it gets better

08:30:49 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glPTmDWDzLw

08:34:02 RagnarDanneskjol: that is odd

08:35:28 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY

08:36:23 RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEpJPrXiiYA

08:36:23 assbot: Com Truise - Data Kiss - YouTube

08:37:24 cazalla: muhfuggen bix nood

08:38:02 Vexual: sawahha?

08:39:17 RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHo7H2ZkNc

08:39:17 assbot: FOE - A Handsome Stranger Called Death (Com Truise Remix) - YouTube

08:39:46 Vexual: you know cazalla a lot of that huffington interview is a bout guinea pigs and how to dispactch dem

08:41:48 cazalla: ??

08:42:06 cazalla: guinea pigs euphemism for?

08:42:57 Vexual: eat tehm replace them, the wholew nine kards

08:44:49 cazalla: have you eaten them?

08:44:54 Vexual: no

08:45:24 Vexual: i understand the concept

08:45:24 cazalla: seem too cute to eat

08:45:30 Vexual: meh

08:47:28 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtncm2yzUE

08:47:55 cazalla: Vexual, you been drinking all day?

08:48:40 Vexual: what day is it?

08:50:32 cazalla: tuesday

08:50:37 Vexual: yes

08:51:34 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIRR1KstYj0

08:52:08 cazalla: do you know your boi bangs Vexual

08:53:10 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchaAtrwkE4 he lives in some houso area in western suburbs of melb

08:53:11 assbot: Bangs - 'Meet Me On Facebook' Exclusive - [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube

08:53:59 Vexual: rampant victorians

08:56:16 MolokoDesk: deedBot is ready for another stress test. if someone wants to /invite deedBot we can give it a go.

08:56:35 Vexual: toothless fans liivin in vans

08:57:13 MolokoDesk: (looks like assbot is the only op)

08:57:19 RagnarDanneskjol: theres a command to sne to bot 'less you changed

08:57:29 RagnarDanneskjol: send to bot

08:57:35 MolokoDesk: oh duh.

08:57:48 RagnarDanneskjol: yep

08:57:49 MolokoDesk: thanx.

08:57:54 MolokoDesk: .dump

08:58:02 MolokoDesk: not voices

08:58:10 RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot

08:58:10 MolokoDesk: !up deedBot

08:58:16 MolokoDesk: .dump

08:58:17 deedBot: time=1412067497 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412064000 elapsed=3497

08:58:18 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)

08:58:45 MolokoDesk: that only has to be done once. in the future it won't have to be done at all. (make #bitcoin-assets the home channel)

08:58:49 MolokoDesk: .balance

08:58:51 deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu

08:59:48 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM

09:00:02 deedBot: Bundled:

09:00:06 MolokoDesk: .deed http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh

09:00:06 assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com

09:00:07 deedBot: deed 72F18AA55B8D4EBE not trusted.

09:00:07 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:00:07 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:00:07 deedBot: Found 2 valid and 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh

09:00:07 assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com

09:01:10 MolokoDesk: just missed the hour mark. I see it's announing null bundles.

09:01:41 MolokoDesk: .deed http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6 (ALF,RD)

09:01:41 assbot: deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com

09:01:41 deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:01:41 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:01:41 deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6

09:01:42 assbot: deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com

09:01:57 RagnarDanneskjol: .deed http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E

09:01:57 assbot: testing - Pastebin.com

09:01:57 deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:01:57 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:01:57 deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E

09:01:57 assbot: testing - Pastebin.com

09:02:41 RagnarDanneskjol: huh - first deed doesnt list one of the signers oddly

09:02:43 MolokoDesk: assbot doesn't enjoy the recapitulation of the URL

09:02:55 RagnarDanneskjol: all others are fine

09:03:06 MolokoDesk: it has unicode in the ---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--- header

09:03:13 RagnarDanneskjol: http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh

09:03:13 assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com

09:03:16 MolokoDesk: so it's not a valid signed message block.

09:03:16 RagnarDanneskjol: that one

09:03:22 RagnarDanneskjol: nope it is

09:03:30 RagnarDanneskjol: one from bingo

09:03:33 MolokoDesk: the weird unicode dashes are valid?

09:03:40 RagnarDanneskjol: unless he changed his key

09:03:46 RagnarDanneskjol: beats hell outta me

09:03:51 MolokoDesk: oh I see.

09:04:00 MolokoDesk: let me check the trust metric on that.

09:04:09 RagnarDanneskjol: other one is fine lists ascii and me

09:04:19 MolokoDesk: there's one test file that has the unicode issue. I see what you mean though here.

09:05:17 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOH15_pqWZ4

09:05:48 MolokoDesk: gribble's claiming there's no such user for that key

09:05:55 MolokoDesk: ;;gribble info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE

09:05:56 gribble: Error: "gribble" is not a valid command.

09:06:05 MolokoDesk: ;;gpg info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE

09:06:05 gribble: No such user registered.

09:06:20 RagnarDanneskjol: investigating

09:07:02 RagnarDanneskjol: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=BingoBoingo

09:07:03 assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data

09:07:07 RagnarDanneskjol: yep different

09:07:55 RagnarDanneskjol: NEVERmind - I thought that was original one with his sig

09:08:02 RagnarDanneskjol: forget it . is fine

09:09:22 Vexual: .dont wurry

09:10:05 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12f7uDIGZc

09:11:50 MolokoDesk: wondering if assbot will ignore url's without the http ... pastebin.com/gQpeau7E

09:12:21 MolokoDesk: ok. I'll re-announce them without the protocol prefix

09:12:47 RagnarDanneskjol: i think it still does

09:13:13 MolokoDesk: it didn't look up the http description header that time.

09:13:41 RagnarDanneskjol: guess so

09:15:24 RagnarDanneskjol: actually - it seems to w/ http half the time.. ses vexual's youtube pastes no, mine yes

09:15:50 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II

09:16:13 MolokoDesk: not all web pages have a description meta tag.

09:16:37 MolokoDesk: .deed http://www.google.com

09:16:37 assbot: Google

09:16:37 deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://www.google.com

09:16:37 assbot: Google

09:16:44 RagnarDanneskjol: i thought youtube would be consistent

09:19:01 RagnarDanneskjol: s'ppose you could sign the git commits smartly and deed them. would like to see how it reads the hub

09:20:06 MolokoDesk: .deed http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg

09:20:07 deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg

09:20:13 punkman: .deed http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt

09:20:14 deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt

09:20:27 MolokoDesk: how large is that file?

09:21:05 MolokoDesk: it's a pgp encrypted message, not a clearsigned document

09:21:10 RagnarDanneskjol: its just an encrypted block

09:21:12 RagnarDanneskjol: yea

09:21:18 punkman: it's not encrypted

09:21:34 RagnarDanneskjol: errr, como?

09:21:38 MolokoDesk: what is it?

09:22:37 punkman: was clearsigned a requirement?

09:23:06 RagnarDanneskjol: thats all its meant to read

09:24:30 MolokoDesk: .deed http://www.mutantpalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/anthropophagie-1024x646.jpg

09:24:32 deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://www.mutantpalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/anthropophagie-1024x646.jpg

09:24:49 MolokoDesk: trying to mess with the file size limit.

09:24:55 MolokoDesk: .dump

09:24:55 deedBot: time=1412069094 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=1493

09:24:56 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (6 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)

09:25:00 MolokoDesk: .balance

09:25:00 deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu

09:25:44 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mns9VeRguys

09:28:36 MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/13881d36a6cf98e5fb970dae94b77c0b822c4f48e31efe18255122c2654f7cfc-1MdrUqS683u8Xo8NQKQe52UdDGq75QP3NQ.txt

09:29:00 MolokoDesk: there's kind of a lame way to vandalize this... just keep feeding deed files from the deed registry back into it.

09:29:09 MolokoDesk: I should block that.

09:29:11 RagnarDanneskjol: shh

09:29:32 MolokoDesk: I should wait 30 days before disclosing exploits?

09:29:34 MolokoDesk: heh

09:29:38 MolokoDesk: we're here to break it.

09:30:27 punkman: .deed http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa

09:30:27 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com

09:30:55 punkman: !up deedbot

09:31:12 RagnarDanneskjol: it had voice

09:31:21 punkman: nah

09:31:31 RagnarDanneskjol: oh

09:31:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPkJeziNyI

09:32:18 RagnarDanneskjol: .deed http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa

09:32:19 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com

09:32:20 deedBot: deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:32:20 deedBot: Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa

09:32:20 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com

09:32:25 Vexual: all the ladies in washington are scrabl,ing to get outta town

09:32:43 Vexual: better roll your aeroplane down

09:32:50 punkman: does it detect duplicates?

09:32:55 MolokoDesk: no

09:33:00 RagnarDanneskjol: doubt it

09:33:53 MolokoDesk: that could be an issue if the contracts have no unique identifier in the text.

09:34:05 MolokoDesk: "see? you sold me 500 shares instead of one"

09:34:12 MolokoDesk: "one at a time"

09:35:01 RagnarDanneskjol: whats with those conspiracy numbers punkman, any clues - i am bad at these

09:35:05 Vexual: alive and dead

09:35:45 MolokoDesk: magic square is my guess.

09:36:11 Vexual: yeah

09:36:21 MolokoDesk: .calc 1+36+34+33+2+3

09:36:22 deedBot: 1 + 36 + 34 + 33 + 2 + 3 = 109

09:36:40 MolokoDesk: .calc 9+ 14+ 25+ 24 +11+29

09:36:41 deedBot: 9 + 14 + 25 + 24 + 11 + 29 = 112

09:36:44 MolokoDesk: nope

09:37:01 MolokoDesk: rows and columns add up to ascii characters?

09:37:15 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs

09:37:17 MolokoDesk: or a random set of numbers masquerading as an enigma.

09:37:42 punkman: .deed http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA

09:37:42 assbot: - Pastebin.com

09:37:43 deedBot: deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:37:44 deedBot: Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA

09:37:44 assbot: - Pastebin.com

09:37:44 MolokoDesk: 6x6 = 36 it's maybe a 666 meme

09:37:48 Vexual: bit by a snake= dead

09:38:01 Vexual: it happens

09:38:02 MolokoDesk: .wolfram sum(1..36)

09:38:04 deedBot: Total[arithmetic progression | 1 to 36 | step size | 1] = 666

09:38:15 MolokoDesk: yeah, adds up to 666 and it's 6x6

09:38:55 MolokoDesk: .calc 18*18

09:38:56 deedBot: 18 * 18 = 324

09:39:52 MolokoDesk: those calculator things are the only two non-deed functions in the bot.

09:40:30 Vexual: ;;calc ultimate sperpant

09:40:30 gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)

09:40:38 Vexual: bwahaha

09:40:55 MolokoDesk: ;;calc number of the beast

09:40:55 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

09:41:04 MolokoDesk: .calc number of the beast

09:41:05 deedBot: Number of the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09:41:20 MolokoDesk: .calc speed of light in rods per fortnight

09:41:21 deedBot: the speed of light = 7.21047 ? 10^13 rods per fortnight

09:41:24 RagnarDanneskjol: ha calc is goog

09:42:14 Vexual: goog ist shite

09:43:02 Vexual: am i talking to a realbot?

09:43:14 MolokoDesk: yeah

09:43:29 MolokoDesk: i mean yeah, it's a google scrape

09:43:41 MolokoDesk: the module is external, it's Tao_Jones

09:43:47 MolokoDesk: .dump

09:43:47 deedBot: time=1412070227 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=2626

09:43:50 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)

09:46:34 Vexual: okay, if those two sommets connected by ice det too clode to su which way they spin?

09:47:07 MolokoDesk: is this some quantum Shakespeare thing?

09:47:38 Vexual: no its an astro science thing

09:48:14 MolokoDesk: oh the dumbell-shaped comet pair with the ice isthmus. Yeah, they could blow apart from vapor pressure or tidal forces.

09:48:30 MolokoDesk: they're co-orbital though and would probably collide again.

09:48:32 MolokoDesk: just guessing.

09:48:45 Vexual: collide again

09:49:16 Vexual: seems unlikely

09:49:20 MolokoDesk: two sonnets connected by in circuit emulator determinants to the algebraic group su, what't their quantum spin?

09:49:49 MolokoDesk: collisions like that are generally how planets form.

09:49:53 Vexual: one goes one way, and one goes a ltiile diff

09:50:02 MolokoDesk: so the orbits diverge?

09:50:02 Vexual: no no

09:50:16 MolokoDesk: you could set up a betting pool on this.

09:50:43 MolokoDesk: SpaceBets

09:50:53 Vexual: yes the orbits change

09:51:28 MolokoDesk: they're gravitationally bound to each other though. the solar wind and vapor pressure would have to exceed their mutual escape velocity.

09:51:45 MolokoDesk: there's at least one known asteroid with a moon.

09:51:47 Vexual: dust and ice

09:52:19 MolokoDesk: yeah the gravity would be fairly low. But I think gravity between ball bearings on a lab desk has been measured.

09:52:39 Vexual: what commet ar eyou commenting?

09:52:43 MolokoDesk: .wolfram mass of ida

09:52:46 deedBot: 243 Ida | mass = 4.12×10^16 kg (kilograms) = ~~ ( 0.008 ~~ 1/125 ) ? Earth's atmosphere mass ( 5.1441?10^18 kg )

09:52:52 MolokoDesk: .wolfram mass of dactyl

09:52:55 deedBot: (no apparent answer for: mass of dactyl)

09:53:24 RagnarDanneskjol: .deed https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/blob/master/test%20deed

09:53:24 assbot: deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub

09:53:24 deedBot: No signed deeds found in https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/blob/master/test%20deed

09:53:25 assbot: deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub

09:53:49 MolokoDesk: I wonder if it's not url-decoding that.

09:54:01 MolokoDesk: it maybe taken verbatim

09:54:05 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm, would like that to be a thing. as its quite useful

09:54:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU

09:54:18 MolokoDesk: I'll have to look into it.

09:55:08 MolokoDesk: .dump

09:55:08 deedBot: time=1412070908 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=3307

09:55:09 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)

09:55:39 MolokoDesk: 5 minutes to bitcoin spend of bundle to blockchain.

09:56:11 Vexual: well said

09:56:26 RagnarDanneskjol: place your bets

09:56:34 RagnarDanneskjol: .deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/master/test%20deed

09:56:34 deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:56:34 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

09:56:34 deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/master/test%20deed

09:57:41 MolokoDesk: $url=urlencode(urldecode($px[4])); this fixes that.. it was urlencoding it without decoding it first.

09:58:13 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3DrM0xuY

09:58:19 MolokoDesk: why'd it work the 2nd time?

09:58:38 Vexual: let me tell you a little bedtime story

09:58:40 MolokoDesk: raw

09:58:43 RagnarDanneskjol: raw txt

09:59:02 MolokoDesk: I have to write specials for each non-raw conversion at a dropsite.

09:59:11 MolokoDesk: github's kinda huge. I may do that.

10:00:16 deedBot: Bundled:

10:00:58 MolokoDesk: what is this non-message?

10:01:04 MolokoDesk: .dump

10:01:05 deedBot: time=1412071265 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071216 elapsed=49

10:01:05 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)

10:01:30 MolokoDesk: it's spent and tracking it.

10:01:31 Vexual: sleep moar

10:01:54 Vexual: no no

10:02:03 RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot

10:02:41 MolokoDesk: period instead of comma in a regular expression.

10:03:28 MolokoDesk: restarting it with revisions.

10:03:40 MolokoDesk: tracking will pick up where it left off.

10:03:49 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBsazIACpYM have some data

10:03:52 MolokoDesk: pending bundles survive and are retained.

10:04:25 MolokoDesk: !up deedbot

10:04:32 MolokoDesk: .dump

10:04:32 deedBot: time=1412071472 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=272

10:04:32 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)

10:04:32 deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)

10:05:21 Vexual: do you need a databse?

10:05:24 MolokoDesk: .interval 900

10:05:24 deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 900 seconds.

10:05:28 MolokoDesk: what kind of database?

10:05:43 Vexual: well i could recommend a format

10:05:46 MolokoDesk: nah, it puts files into a directory and deals with them as needed.

10:06:06 Vexual: did i say you could such your penis yet?\

10:06:23 Vexual: dont premet me

10:07:00 MolokoDesk: i used sqlite3 the other day to pillage the bitcoin-otc web of trust database files and hammer them into a brief form used by the bot. just the trust metrics indexed by KeyID for people that can use assbot.

10:07:08 MolokoDesk: punkman put me up to it.

10:07:19 Vexual: well there you go

10:07:47 RagnarDanneskjol: ned to do another round of deeds now, huh

10:08:02 MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this gets updated every 15 minutes 5 minutes after the mark 5,20,35,50

10:08:17 MolokoDesk: probably.

10:08:22 RagnarDanneskjol: i mean to validate performance in chan

10:08:26 MolokoDesk: or we could see what it does when there are no deeds.

10:08:29 RagnarDanneskjol: i'll start

10:08:51 MolokoDesk: re-using that raw item with the %20 in it would test something.

10:09:20 MolokoDesk: .deeds saldkflaskdjf

10:09:23 RagnarDanneskjol: .deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

10:09:23 deedBot: No signed deeds found in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

10:09:39 MolokoDesk: odd

10:09:42 RagnarDanneskjol: yea

10:09:48 Vexual: kinda shit

10:09:48 MolokoDesk: i probably broke it.

10:09:48 RagnarDanneskjol: youbroke it

10:09:55 RagnarDanneskjol: ahhh

10:09:58 RagnarDanneskjol: gribble

10:10:31 punkman: did my UTF8 message survive?

10:11:13 Vexual: mug

10:11:29 MolokoDesk: !up deedbot

10:11:34 MolokoDesk: .dump

10:11:34 deedBot: time=1412071894 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=694

10:11:34 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)

10:11:34 deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)

10:11:40 MolokoDesk: .interval 1800

10:11:40 deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1800 seconds.

10:11:56 MolokoDesk: .interval 1200

10:11:57 deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1200 seconds.

10:12:22 MolokoDesk: .deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

10:12:24 deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle

10:12:24 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

10:12:24 deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

10:13:18 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm - so works with gribble down

10:13:30 MolokoDesk: yeah. gribble is out of the loop.

10:13:33 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea

10:13:35 RagnarDanneskjol: forgot

10:13:42 MolokoDesk: streamlines things enormously

10:14:02 MolokoDesk: gribble still updates the trust database though.

10:14:45 MolokoDesk: !up deedbot

10:15:23 MolokoDesk: .dump

10:15:24 deedBot: time=1412072123 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=923

10:15:24 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)

10:20:10 deedBot: Bundled: 0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt

10:20:19 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs

10:22:34 MolokoDesk: .dump

10:22:35 deedBot: time=1412072554 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412072409 elapsed=145

10:22:35 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (no pending deeds.)

10:22:42 MolokoDesk: .interval 3600

10:22:43 deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 3600 seconds.

10:24:30 punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/29/when-all-cigarette-packages-look-the-same-fewer-people-buy-them/

10:24:30 assbot: When all cigarette packs look the same, fewer people buy them - The Washington Post

10:24:55 deedBot: published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt

10:24:55 deedBot: published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt

10:25:00 RagnarDanneskjol: i dont buyy it

10:25:04 punkman: Vexual, no branding on your cigarettes?

10:25:26 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2SZPb7UUtc yah cartier

10:26:00 punkman: Ragnar, look for my UTF message, that's why it should accept compressed messages

10:26:26 punkman: (gpg --sign --armor that is)

10:27:06 RagnarDanneskjol: i think the idea is to do that, then sign the block

10:27:38 punkman: it's signed and compressed when you don't --clearsign

10:28:06 RagnarDanneskjol: right, but remember mp describing this at one point. trying to find it

10:31:18 RagnarDanneskjol: yep like this: http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z

10:31:18 assbot: $ gpg -v -v gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS - Pastebin.com

10:32:16 RagnarDanneskjol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815449

10:32:17 assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 01:44:07; mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z

10:34:15 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmDDOFXSgAs

10:42:25 Vexual: i smoke white owl and old port after noon

10:45:22 Vexual: no weed

10:46:52 RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot

10:46:59 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqY_I5dhVE

10:50:32 Vexual: yesca

10:52:21 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alJ87WnQ5XA

10:56:58 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmuFTF-z32U

11:00:16 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jND3F56tsF8 311

11:08:14 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8nrF5aXPlQ

11:09:01 MolokoDesk: !up deedbot

11:12:04 chetty: need a laugh? http://phys.org/news/2014-09-scientists-droplets.html

11:12:05 assbot: Scientists make droplets move on their own

11:14:06 Vexual: is that code? checz?

11:14:58 Vexual: science in chech is like what heroin emema?

11:18:42 chetty: Just the title of that article is enough for a chuckle, imo

11:21:00 Vexual: ya they love a droplet in prague

11:22:10 MolokoDesk: !up deedbot

11:22:37 RagnarDanneskjol: i moved to other chan w/dump command

11:22:56 RagnarDanneskjol: the repors

11:22:58 MolokoDesk: (ok. I have deedBot installed to re-start on server reboots or deedBot terminations, it's home channel is set to #bitcoin-assets)

11:22:59 RagnarDanneskjol: reports

11:23:13 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/ << with many thanks to asciilifeform

11:23:14 assbot: Manufactured insecurity and the issue of control pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:23:30 mircea_popescu: had he not made me read that thing, i wouldn't have the tool ready for like the best reference this week.

11:23:34 MolokoDesk: (you won't see deedBot in other chan without an invite or join directive)

11:23:40 mircea_popescu: this chan is so fucking intellectually empowering.

11:23:44 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk hey how goes there ?

11:23:55 MolokoDesk: fairly well.

11:24:26 MolokoDesk: deedBot is resonably terse and bulletproof now.

11:24:46 mircea_popescu: didja implement the two things outstanding ?

11:24:47 MolokoDesk: switched to using the 15 minute updated gribble database files.

11:25:06 mircea_popescu: how big are they ?

11:25:10 MolokoDesk: it's tracking transaction IDs now. doesn't terminate.

11:25:15 MolokoDesk: oh they're kind of long.

11:25:50 mircea_popescu: nanotube is your preferred avenue for people needing to frequently query the db to check relation that they ask gribble each time or that they download the backups every 15 minutes ?

11:26:23 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk what do you save this way, like 1 query out of 3 ?

11:26:23 MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/?FILTER=&FORM=x&SORT=0.5

11:26:23 assbot: DEEDS

11:27:01 MolokoDesk: gribble is completely out of the loop. the logic is linear no queues or state machines needed. Nothing stops if something else doesn't complete.

11:27:07 MolokoDesk: the code is much smaller.

11:27:28 MolokoDesk: splitting incoming files, verifying signatures, bundling are a single pass operation.

11:27:29 mircea_popescu: aha.

11:27:32 MolokoDesk: tracking is simpler.

11:27:32 mircea_popescu: well that's something.

11:27:42 MolokoDesk: it's just a lot easier and more predictable.

11:27:48 mircea_popescu: how often do you dld the db ?

11:28:03 MolokoDesk: side effect is that a json digest of the assbot trust web is available.

11:28:24 MolokoDesk: assuming anyone would use something compiled by a 3rd party.

11:28:49 mircea_popescu: well it adds to central security if there's some catastrophe.

11:29:45 MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this is updated by a cron job ever 15 minutes.

11:29:52 MolokoDesk: y

11:30:17 mircea_popescu: well ok. if it's too much we'll fiddle with it or something. it is better code.

11:30:22 Azelphur: speaking of assbot trust levels, what does it take to get into assbots l1 trust?

11:30:22 mircea_popescu: ok, so what's outstanding here ?

11:30:45 mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ << making it in one of these.

11:30:46 assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:30:55 mircea_popescu: generally, people hafta be impressed with how worthy of being ennobled you are.

11:31:06 MolokoDesk: probably #bitcoin-assets watching it work long enough for you to take delivery of it.

11:31:16 MolokoDesk: also it's not registered with gribble/WoT

11:31:52 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk okay, what's your gameplan here, do you want to also run this as a going concern ?

11:32:10 MolokoDesk: the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify

11:32:10 punkman: hashing spec would be nice

11:32:17 RagnarDanneskjol: I'd like to see it in pyth asafp

11:32:23 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPCdJbZYXo

11:32:26 MolokoDesk: so I guess gribble is still in the loop, but not as part of the bundling process.

11:32:27 mircea_popescu: what is it now, all php ?

11:32:33 RagnarDanneskjol: yea

11:32:40 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p

11:32:48 RagnarDanneskjol: I might ask Alz to give it a crack

11:32:48 MolokoDesk: the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address.

11:32:49 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm sure I'm worth ;)

11:32:55 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol you're paying for that. it's a worthy cause :)

11:33:01 RagnarDanneskjol: I kno

11:33:24 MolokoDesk: I'm ok with writing it in python.

11:33:35 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm

11:33:49 mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << not that counts are the end all be all, but with 500 lines in the past year, you can't be.

11:33:49 assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

11:33:51 Vexual: whats it do? can i sell a shopping centre without getting sober?

11:34:02 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: fair enough, yea I'm not too active here

11:34:04 MolokoDesk: now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete.

11:34:22 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk question was whether you want ot be the one running this or not.

11:35:00 MolokoDesk: it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out.

11:35:08 mircea_popescu: talk to me.

11:35:23 mircea_popescu: (people go "talk to mp". apparently mp does too.)

11:35:40 MolokoDesk: well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here?

11:35:53 mircea_popescu: uh. answer if something breaks.

11:36:06 MolokoDesk: I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots.

11:36:07 RagnarDanneskjol: whats your expectation for response time mp? on any bot maintenance

11:36:12 mircea_popescu: from experience you get pinged within 5 minutes of it dieing

11:36:20 Vexual: cant even sell a playstation

11:36:31 mircea_popescu: well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue.

11:36:36 MolokoDesk: if something breaks, it's mission-critcal and I stop what I'm doing and fix it now.

11:36:44 mircea_popescu: but in general, if you're online, you're online.

11:36:50 MolokoDesk: there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk.

11:37:00 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk it's not that essential. can wait a day.

11:37:05 mircea_popescu: it can't wait a week is all.

11:37:13 MolokoDesk: yeah, no rush on decisions about that.

11:37:21 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk no i mean, the fixing.

11:37:24 MolokoDesk: oh.

11:37:42 MolokoDesk: ok. well that time frame is casual. it would be fixed at my earliest convenience same-day.

11:37:44 mircea_popescu: it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile.

11:37:49 mircea_popescu: exactly.

11:38:09 MolokoDesk: it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle.

11:38:12 mircea_popescu: honestly i don't expect anything to break, since php is so stable and everything.

11:38:34 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kf_RYVt2XQ

11:38:49 MolokoDesk: yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level.

11:39:26 MolokoDesk: running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied.

11:39:29 mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7691289 "This could be huge in my opinion"

11:39:30 assbot: Truthcoin: Trustless, Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Marketplace | Hacker News

11:39:33 mircea_popescu: yeah it was huge. fucktards.

11:39:55 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant"

11:40:13 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk ima sent it a btc right now, actually. what was its wallet ?

11:40:47 MolokoDesk: I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events.

11:40:56 kakobrekla: o look, 1.258

11:40:58 RagnarDanneskjol: molo - how secure is that wallet?

11:41:22 MolokoDesk: so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me.

11:41:25 MolokoDesk: it's replacable.

11:41:33 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk it's an old discussion this.

11:41:40 MolokoDesk: just change the API key and "secret" to spend.

11:41:52 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk so are you getting hacked ?

11:42:00 MolokoDesk: yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain.

11:42:14 MolokoDesk: it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent.

11:42:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni.

11:42:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/

11:42:48 MolokoDesk: the spend address/hash is also a locus of security.

11:42:53 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ?

11:42:55 MolokoDesk: none of that is fake-able.

11:43:07 mircea_popescu: ;;rated MolokoDesk

11:43:07 gribble: You have not yet rated user MolokoDesk

11:43:09 MolokoDesk: ragnar was suggesting a faucet.

11:43:25 MolokoDesk: it's secure enough that nobody would spend time trying to hack it for $20

11:43:32 mircea_popescu: kay.

11:43:54 mircea_popescu: which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ?

11:44:00 MolokoDesk: however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API.

11:44:32 MolokoDesk: the source on the private GITHub has stubs for that info.

11:44:37 MolokoDesk: so it's not disclosed so far.

11:44:38 mircea_popescu: ;;ident MolokoDesk

11:44:39 gribble: Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is not identified.

11:44:45 mircea_popescu: ident woudlja

11:44:45 MolokoDesk: ew.

11:45:35 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L5v5CUf9Vc

11:46:29 MolokoDesk: laptop must have gone into sleep mode earlier.

11:46:37 punkman: gribble hiccup

11:46:50 MolokoDesk: other point of security would be the keyring for ;;eauth

11:47:12 mircea_popescu: fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in.

11:47:21 fluffypony: link?

11:47:25 Vexual: drink it all at once

11:47:32 mircea_popescu: fluffypony just looked at his forum profile

11:47:40 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137510

11:47:40 assbot: View the profile of jimmothy

11:47:53 fluffypony: lame.

11:47:59 fluffypony: such investor.

11:48:01 fluffypony: much investment.

11:48:02 fluffypony: wow.

11:48:11 mircea_popescu: well he was in the link to why bitbet is bad on yc.

11:48:18 mircea_popescu: the place where airbnb is good :D

11:48:47 MolokoDesk: payments extension: what is that about?

11:48:51 Vexual: america?

11:49:21 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk i'll spec it for you one second.

11:50:15 MolokoDesk: if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now.

11:51:05 MolokoDesk: or on a server instance where that's the only thing running there.

11:51:22 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5

11:51:22 assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com

11:51:25 deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu

11:51:27 MolokoDesk: I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk.

11:51:29 mircea_popescu: warn limit should prolly be 1 btc

11:51:50 MolokoDesk: if I put something up elsewhere on the same server that's just another exposure risk

11:52:06 MolokoDesk: .balance

11:52:07 deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu

11:52:28 MolokoDesk: there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet.

11:52:36 mircea_popescu: coolness.

11:52:46 mircea_popescu: !up deedBot

11:52:58 mircea_popescu: ;;ident MolokoDesk

11:52:58 MolokoDesk: .calc 1/(0.00011 * 24)

11:52:58 gribble: Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'MolokoDesk', with GPG key id C58B15FA3E19CE9B, key fingerprint 4D4769A7EF6BB23D399DAA7BC58B15FA3E19CE9B, and bitcoin address None

11:52:59 deedBot: 1 / (0.00011 * 24) = 378.787879

11:53:11 MolokoDesk: 1 btc is good for over a year at full capacity 1 bundle per hour.

11:53:25 mircea_popescu: ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.

11:53:25 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

11:53:30 mircea_popescu: no wai

11:53:59 MolokoDesk: gribble is one cold dude.

11:54:17 RagnarDanneskjol: AAA seems a bit generous. it is the last day of the month]

11:54:19 mircea_popescu: ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.

11:54:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user MolokoDesk has been recorded.

11:54:27 MolokoDesk: it's revokable.

11:54:35 RagnarDanneskjol: \

11:54:35 RagnarDanneskjol: ]

11:54:36 MolokoDesk: but it does seem a bit much.

11:54:38 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol i dun gas when, he did it before the end of the month.

11:54:39 RagnarDanneskjol: oops

11:54:53 mircea_popescu: i am the avatar of splitting.

11:54:54 Vexual: oshit

11:54:55 RagnarDanneskjol: i kno, just sayin

11:55:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google splitting psychology

11:55:05 gribble: Splitting (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology); Understanding “Splitting” as a Psychological Term: http://counsellingresource.com/features/2008/10/28/splitting-as-psychological-term/; Self-Deception II: Splitting | Psychology Today: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/self-deception- (1 more message)

11:55:44 MolokoDesk: subjective recursion, self-commentary...

11:56:27 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU

11:56:41 MolokoDesk: we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes.

11:57:15 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk so are you making the payments extension ?

11:57:26 RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think he follows

11:57:26 MolokoDesk: did I miss the spec?

11:57:28 punkman: it fails at unicode :P

11:57:31 RagnarDanneskjol: ugh

11:57:47 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu

11:57:47 RagnarDanneskjol: MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5

11:57:47 assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com

11:57:49 deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu

11:58:02 MolokoDesk: you're talking abut the unicode dashes in the PGP signed message delimiters?

11:58:05 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5 <

11:58:05 assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com

11:58:07 deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu

11:58:19 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk no.

11:58:21 punkman: MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message

11:58:35 MolokoDesk: ok. uh, where does that happen, just a report from deedBot?

11:59:11 punkman: check here towards bottom http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt

11:59:19 MolokoDesk: bot trigger collision may need some work. laff.

11:59:35 punkman: oh never mind, browser didn't know it was utf

11:59:52 punkman: guess it works then

11:59:55 mircea_popescu: punkman yeah srsly i was all wut'd

12:00:00 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g

12:00:49 MolokoDesk: yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.

12:01:00 MolokoDesk: but the most expedient way to do it.

12:01:37 mircea_popescu: nothing unsound about it. it's the right way.

12:01:38 MolokoDesk: authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.

12:01:45 mircea_popescu: use a single inbound address, pay out from it as directed.

12:01:54 mircea_popescu: webwallet done right is also tumblr by default.

12:01:59 MolokoDesk: like a small change drawer.

12:02:03 mircea_popescu: exactly.

12:02:28 MolokoDesk: if people are comfortable with the size of their deposits at risk, and the risk level that's doable.

12:02:31 mircea_popescu: you're taking a sizeable bite here, if you manage to run all this for a while and not get hacked you'll have all the cred you could possibly want

12:02:36 mircea_popescu: so don't fuck up.

12:02:52 Vexual: bwahaha

12:02:54 MolokoDesk: heh and get hacked... negative cred, maybe.

12:03:03 mircea_popescu: well yes.

12:03:34 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q

12:03:38 MolokoDesk: ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects.

12:03:49 mircea_popescu: how old are you ?

12:04:03 MolokoDesk: I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting.

12:04:15 mircea_popescu: actually i haven't.

12:04:16 MolokoDesk: and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do.

12:04:24 RagnarDanneskjol: no

12:04:25 mircea_popescu: ugh. what ?!

12:04:27 RagnarDanneskjol: he does not

12:04:32 MolokoDesk: his customer service dept let a security hole slide unfixed.

12:04:39 MolokoDesk: after being repeatedly informed of it.

12:04:43 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it "his"

12:04:48 mircea_popescu: guy's a mascota, talking muppethead.

12:04:56 mircea_popescu: this is like complaining that the decals didn't fix the engine.

12:05:05 mircea_popescu: cause "it's their car"

12:05:28 bounce: what, decals don't fix engines? news to me.

12:05:33 MolokoDesk: yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group.

12:05:39 MolokoDesk: but then Mark Karpeles was in that too.

12:05:45 bounce: it's called "best current practice" and the industry is full of it.

12:05:55 MolokoDesk: anyway, I dunno. It's just news feed.

12:06:11 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk his early role in bitcoin was being a derp.

12:06:15 Vexual: oshit

12:06:27 mircea_popescu: anyway. how old were you ?

12:06:31 MolokoDesk: apple-style evangelism, maybe.

12:06:46 mircea_popescu: bounce that it is.

12:07:30 MolokoDesk: usually CSO isn't an honorary title. oh well.

12:08:12 MolokoDesk: anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible.

12:09:05 MolokoDesk: put people with high profiles on their boards of directors that do nothing but waive attending the annual meeting.

12:09:11 mircea_popescu: omfg is it like a secret or something!?

12:09:19 MolokoDesk: nuff said then.

12:09:27 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk how old are you dude!

12:09:34 MolokoDesk: over whatever.

12:09:51 mircea_popescu: more interested in the under part.

12:10:01 MolokoDesk: why? vocabulary? jadedness? polymath symptoms?

12:10:07 RagnarDanneskjol: he is older than us

12:10:11 MolokoDesk: yeah.

12:10:21 mircea_popescu: because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not

12:10:22 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHKaslks2s'

12:10:25 mircea_popescu: and that depends on how old you are.

12:10:39 MolokoDesk: we can talk freely. no prob.

12:10:44 mircea_popescu: o.O

12:11:01 MolokoDesk: or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic?

12:11:13 mircea_popescu: mkay. if you're under 30 stfu and learn some unix admining, it can't hurt you. if over 30 you probably have a point focusing on other things.

12:11:22 mircea_popescu: jesus gotta make if-then clauses.

12:11:30 RagnarDanneskjol: aha

12:11:50 bounce: you lack "answer the question" skills, eh. well, not the only one.

12:12:02 MolokoDesk: superposition.

12:12:06 mircea_popescu: bounce people get strange when put on teh spot huh.

12:12:15 MolokoDesk: I can find out what I need to know.

12:12:21 *: bounce can't get recruiters, hr peeps, or even first line support idjits to f'n answer their emails.

12:12:31 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by <MolokoDesk> ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly

12:12:32 MolokoDesk: it's not so much not knowing, it's having to do it constantly.

12:12:40 mircea_popescu: right.

12:13:02 MolokoDesk: yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things.

12:13:06 mircea_popescu: well, good code means you won't have to do it constantly, cause good code never breaks :D

12:13:33 MolokoDesk: I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance.

12:13:53 mircea_popescu: bounce the motherfucking answer! is the reason face to face productivity is better, btw. as expensive travel is, sometimes it's unavoidable, as people will mousy over emails for a year if given the chance

12:14:02 mircea_popescu: and so management has to fly people all over back and forth all day.

12:14:08 MolokoDesk: as 'security' best practices is mostly don't use certain language constructs, or coding practices that allow exploits from web input.

12:14:29 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk these days, security mostly relies on not updating to the newest set of bugs.

12:14:36 MolokoDesk: for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there.

12:14:38 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGbNFFqxS4

12:14:45 mircea_popescu: get a secure system, bolt it down and forget about it.

12:15:16 bounce: this isn't usually a problem among the, let's call them "usenet crowd". people who're reasonably good at discussing more than one thing per email and are technically minded so don't take it too personally when asked to answer a technical question.

12:15:16 mircea_popescu: don't even get me started on the topic of wordpress lmao. fucktards put a ddos hole in their xmlrpc

12:15:28 mircea_popescu: you can use any wp installation to basically probe for free or whatever else.

12:15:42 MolokoDesk: well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue.

12:16:03 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk give the thing a day to think through.

12:16:07 bounce: heroku and google apps both, "for the resiliency"

12:16:32 mircea_popescu: wait what are you talking about !?

12:16:39 mircea_popescu: is this >9k sarcasm ?

12:17:13 bounce: well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke?

12:17:27 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRz4jJ7K1fA

12:17:31 mircea_popescu: "too much"!

12:17:52 bounce: so much for "leveraging the synergy"

12:19:17 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

12:19:19 gribble: Current Blocks: 323195 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1380 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33160433493.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.33044

12:19:24 mircea_popescu: whoa

12:19:26 mircea_popescu: holy shit ?!

12:19:37 mircea_popescu: it HAD to ruin the 31bn bet, and then die right after ?

12:19:57 mircea_popescu: fucking bitch.

12:24:01 MolokoDesk: just realized that Tao_Jones has a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has a mining back end that increments the accounts in a sporadic lottery.

12:24:10 MolokoDesk: coin-like substance, play money.

12:24:24 RagnarDanneskjol: MolokoDesk - pls see msg in other chan

12:24:48 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk what channel is that ?

12:25:05 RagnarDanneskjol: private

12:25:13 mircea_popescu: orly ?

12:25:21 RagnarDanneskjol: not really, just where testing bot

12:25:51 RagnarDanneskjol: #cex-squawk

12:27:20 RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot

12:27:24 RagnarDanneskjol: .dump

12:27:24 deedBot: time=1412080043 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=431

12:27:24 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)

12:27:24 deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)

12:30:08 deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle

12:30:08 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

12:30:08 deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

12:30:50 RagnarDanneskjol: OH- it doesnt reply pm now

12:46:33 jurov: RagnarDanneskjol: assbot has vexual in ignore

12:46:58 jurov: hence no titles

12:47:21 RagnarDanneskjol: ahhh. interesting

12:47:28 MolokoDesk: .dump

12:47:28 deedBot: time=1412081247 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=1635

12:47:28 deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)

12:47:28 deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)

12:47:50 MolokoDesk: !up deedbot

12:49:05 MolokoDesk: ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume.

12:49:30 MolokoDesk: random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not a sound practice.

12:49:41 MolokoDesk: they'd be sent back to the originator or just forfeited.

12:49:41 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk nah, create accounts based on person's wot id.

12:49:59 MolokoDesk: ok. so they don't need to register a wallet ID with WoT?

12:50:04 mircea_popescu: nope.

12:50:08 MolokoDesk: hmn.

12:50:17 MolokoDesk: how do you know who pays into an account?

12:50:24 MolokoDesk: I can figure that out.

12:50:25 MolokoDesk: nevermind.

12:50:26 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. < is not that simple.

12:50:32 mircea_popescu: Send X Bitcoin to Y address. [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner] <

12:51:00 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ikno ikno. gotta tease tho!

12:51:02 MolokoDesk: right. how does one put money into the account in one's nick.

12:51:08 MolokoDesk: it has to come from a wallet.

12:51:13 mircea_popescu: yes.

12:51:17 mircea_popescu: so ?

12:51:19 MolokoDesk: so all you really now is that some wallet somewhere sent you btc.

12:51:23 MolokoDesk: whose wallet was it?

12:51:29 mircea_popescu: ~~~ [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner]~~~

12:51:39 mircea_popescu: .deposit

12:51:55 MolokoDesk: so they just say "that wallet was mine"?

12:51:56 mircea_popescu: Hi MP. Please send to 1blabla make sure last 4 digits are 1944

12:52:08 mircea_popescu: then if you get 1.00001944 you credit it to me.

12:52:20 MolokoDesk: ohyeah, Igot it that first line.

12:52:33 mircea_popescu: so then what's the problem ?

12:52:36 MolokoDesk: they send you a microchange digit set and you confirm on that.

12:52:42 MolokoDesk: in private message.

12:52:46 mircea_popescu: nope.

12:52:53 MolokoDesk: like initial bank handhsaking.

12:53:22 mircea_popescu: no need for any of that. you just use a hash of their userid to generate a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits.

12:53:38 MolokoDesk: I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random.

12:53:45 kakobrekla: ;;seen mike_c

12:53:45 gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 15 hours, and 10 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k)

12:53:51 mircea_popescu: one doesn't presume anything. this is how the system works.

12:53:56 mircea_popescu: people can use it whatever way they please.

12:54:23 MolokoDesk: "oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.

12:54:26 mircea_popescu: and you only have one address in your wallet, and pay from it whenever someone asks and that's that.

12:54:41 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk who's to know ?

12:54:46 mircea_popescu: maybe someone wants to donate to them.

12:54:52 MolokoDesk: yeah, nobody's gonna stop you.

12:55:46 mircea_popescu: hardened systems means among other things breaking the convenient assumptions of the enemy.

12:55:56 MolokoDesk: ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and a database.

12:56:09 mircea_popescu: yup

12:56:17 mircea_popescu: all ingredients for a secure system are there.

12:56:46 MolokoDesk: uh, what chance of two people randomly choosing the same 4-digit deposit suffix?

12:56:54 mircea_popescu: they don't choise it.

12:56:56 mircea_popescu: bot choses it.

12:56:57 MolokoDesk: amount would also have to math.

12:56:59 MolokoDesk: match.

12:57:04 MolokoDesk: ok.

12:57:07 mircea_popescu: what amount dood.

12:57:11 MolokoDesk: there are only 10000 of those.

12:57:25 mircea_popescu: yeah well, we won't have 10k users.

12:57:37 MolokoDesk: I was still back on 'depositer declares digits' not "bot declares digits"

12:57:44 mircea_popescu: ah. yeah.

12:57:59 MolokoDesk: 10k transactions. oh. each user has a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure.

12:58:04 mircea_popescu: yeah.

12:58:22 mircea_popescu: and if it becomes a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online.

12:58:24 MolokoDesk: I haven't slept recently if I'm seeming dense.

12:58:48 RagnarDanneskjol: same as usual

12:58:57 MolokoDesk: what's the likely volume of the pooled wallet for what... 50 people?

12:59:04 RagnarDanneskjol: dense, not lack of sleep

12:59:07 mircea_popescu: i dunno, coupla btc ?

12:59:12 bounce: you start having problems well before 10000, that with hash collissions and everything

12:59:31 mircea_popescu: bounce true.

12:59:52 mircea_popescu: easy enough for anyone to test it, send 10k satoshi see if you get it.

13:00:01 mircea_popescu: if you don't get it, bitch.

13:01:19 mircea_popescu: bounce actually hashing isn't even the right approach, should serialize.

13:02:04 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep a serial of when people go .deposit and use that,

13:02:11 bounce: then you have an arbitrary cookie and might as well use separate payment addresses

13:02:14 mircea_popescu: increment by one if person wasn't seen before.

13:02:44 mircea_popescu: bounce notrly. you use a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless.

13:04:30 nanotube: mircea_popescu: re db queries - depends on frequency of gribble queries. if you'd be querying gribble more than once per 15 min, get the db.

13:04:42 mircea_popescu: nanotube got it.

13:04:50 bounce: now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?

13:04:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00075221 = 9.5215 BTC [-]

13:05:21 bounce: s/key/payment address/

13:05:51 bounce: s/combines/spits out/ (from the combination, etc.)

13:06:18 punkman: btw unnamed source says coindesk pays around $90 per article

13:06:50 bounce: sounds like easy money.

13:07:17 mircea_popescu: punkman like hell they do.

13:07:56 mircea_popescu: $90 buys you an hour's work of a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is a gross exaggeration.

13:08:24 mircea_popescu: (easy to arb, too, go on fiverr, have 20 people write articles, get 2 accepted by coindeks, profit)

13:10:41 bounce: ebay to spin out paypal again. huh.

13:13:46 mircea_popescu: bounce omidyar has figured out paypal / website payments are dead in the water, selling it while he's ahead of the curve.

13:13:47 mircea_popescu: smart move.

13:15:49 bounce: only after icahn badgered them to do it for months

13:16:20 mircea_popescu: yeah well would you listen to icahn /

13:17:03 bounce: of course not. even so.

13:17:53 mircea_popescu: !up eth2

13:18:26 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can deedbot go on bot voicelist.

13:18:34 kakobrekla: is it ready

13:18:54 RagnarDanneskjol: no - need to sort out who registers/owns it

13:19:19 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol community owned, what.

13:20:24 RagnarDanneskjol: uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's

13:20:27 mircea_popescu: giving it a gpg sig is a handwave anyway, whoever controls it can make it sign anything anyway. not like it's a creature in itself.

13:20:37 RagnarDanneskjol: right

13:20:46 mircea_popescu: nickserv id is enough really.

13:20:49 bounce: for freenode, whoever has access to the backend and can fix it if it goes amok

13:21:19 mircea_popescu: and yes, freenode policy is to cloak bots by maintainer.

13:21:39 mircea_popescu: i suppose we should get a b-a cloak huh ?

13:22:18 RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot

13:22:38 teward: mircea_popescu: unless #bitcoin-assets is its own Group Registration, it falls in the #bitcoin* namespace

13:22:51 mircea_popescu: teward i was thinking of making a group reg.

13:23:01 teward: mircea_popescu: first GRFs are closed

13:23:06 teward: mircea_popescu: secondly you run into namespace issues

13:23:16 mircea_popescu: o they don't do that anymore ?

13:23:21 teward: (#bitcoin-* is typically considered #bitcoin, like #anything-* is #anything)

13:23:32 mircea_popescu: teward it can just be b-a, or w/e.

13:23:42 teward: mircea_popescu: GRFs been closed a while, but point still stands, namespace issues

13:23:53 mircea_popescu: you don't have to name the group = the channel do you.

13:23:55 bounce: "#assets"

13:24:12 mircea_popescu: "freenode group registration is currently suspended, as the group registration process became significantly backlogged to the point that it was not viable to continue taking new registrations. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the combination of the following"

13:24:37 mircea_popescu: fucktards. they fail to list "we suck to the degree we will die of self imposed attrition. we don't even talk to people wh owant to give us free servers anymore"

13:24:55 bounce: so. freenode2?

13:25:38 mircea_popescu: bounce eventually. seems unavoidable.

13:25:41 mircea_popescu: sadly.

13:26:21 bounce: needs a bit of a crew, some buy-in from a few groups, and so on, to get the thing started

13:26:33 mircea_popescu: myeah.

13:26:53 mircea_popescu: anyway. 2015's problems.

13:27:42 RagnarDanneskjol: https://publicintelligence.net/tactical-chat/

13:27:42 assbot: Tactical Chat: How the U.S. Military Uses IRC to Wage War | Public Intelligence

13:27:51 deedBot: published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/45b0f698f86ff1a0686936db193a49aa5474dd705ed594087731d1f4fb68c93a-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt

13:27:59 mircea_popescu: doh.

13:29:22 kakobrekla: you want some b-a.com a record for the deed thing

13:29:34 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes actually.

13:29:38 mircea_popescu: deeds.b ?

13:30:30 jurov: <Vexual> ya they love a droplet in prague << no they're just world experts on alcohol

13:30:30 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and does that come with some server space ? :)

13:31:35 kakobrekla: we can do that

13:32:40 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login.

13:36:04 mircea_popescu: an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.

13:36:12 mats_cd03: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you want to read something on HeinOnline, LexisNexis, Westlaw let me know

13:36:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:36:43 mircea_popescu: only him ?

13:37:18 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see that. will send him an email

13:37:41 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol better leave it as a later tell ?

13:37:52 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login. an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.

13:37:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:37:53 RagnarDanneskjol: correct

13:38:06 RagnarDanneskjol: still - he'll prolly miss it

13:38:41 mircea_popescu: well he'll gotta learn not to miss it :)

13:38:48 mats_cd03: well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do that.

13:38:49 mircea_popescu: how the hell else will he know the bot's tits up anyway

13:38:54 punkman: turns out deedbot burns the coins

13:38:57 RagnarDanneskjol: old dogs

13:39:02 mircea_popescu: punkman hm ?

13:39:32 RagnarDanneskjol: not literally 'burnt'

13:40:33 mircea_popescu: punkman: was clearsigned a requirement? << yes.

13:40:38 punkman: mircea_popescu: private key can't be recreated

13:40:46 mircea_popescu: why not ?!

13:41:40 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk: I should block that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at the application level. if they do it they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent.

13:42:10 punkman: mircea_popescu: because it goes from file hash to pub address

13:42:26 mircea_popescu: punkman explain like im five.

13:43:16 punkman: it picks a random bitcoin address instead of generating the private key for one

13:43:43 punkman: (by random I mean based on the bundle hash)

13:44:02 mircea_popescu: uh.

13:44:15 mircea_popescu: mkay gotta grill the guy tomorrow about it.

13:46:04 RagnarDanneskjol: we discussed this at one point and determined this was the best approach - as alternative to millibtc to be recovered from a multitude of pregenerated addresses

13:46:24 mircea_popescu: link me ?

13:46:51 RagnarDanneskjol: will try - so many, getting cross eyed

13:47:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, the state in my head is that th bundle gets hashed into a pubkey which is where dust is sent.

13:47:47 mircea_popescu: aaand i'll bbl.

13:55:24 bounce: of course, assets.com is squatted. wonder what they'll ask for it.

13:56:12 punkman: over 9 billion

13:56:15 MolokoDesk: (we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing

13:56:15 MolokoDesk: open source for a lark.)

13:58:00 MolokoDesk: (let me know what's up.)

13:58:08 mats_cd03: fun fact: the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec).

13:58:22 bounce: depends on where you are. in the big blue room, the sky is the limit.

13:59:17 mats_cd03: so, since out of band key exchange is difficult, most BLE devices can be construed as selectively backdoored.

13:59:42 MolokoDesk: (oops. missed mp, who is the person I should talk with this about)

14:04:42 dub: aside from possibly a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer)

14:05:19 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as a rule filthy rich, which means they do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, which is why coming up with things that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people to adhere to trhe highest standards so easy.

14:05:22 *: dub reserve the right to be entirely wrong

14:05:59 mircea_popescu: as far as your own case is concerned however, iirc you wanted some bitcents to cover for september, which you got, which is where we're now.

14:06:26 mircea_popescu: obviously doing more work is more pay, your queue to come up with something was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#851612

14:06:26 assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 11:35:08; mircea_popescu: talk to me.

14:06:29 mircea_popescu: and it's still there.

14:06:52 mircea_popescu: s/queue/cue

14:07:25 mircea_popescu: dub who do you mean, saffron ?

14:07:42 mircea_popescu: people are getting paid to flash their tits, what're you talkin' aboot.

14:07:57 dub: i was thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner

14:08:32 RagnarDanneskjol: one part of the conversation on how deed coins are to be spent/lost: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815529 ..there was some more specific discussion i cannot locate

14:08:33 assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 01:57:51; mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk block-and-address.

14:08:39 mircea_popescu: dub don't forget all the trolls i pay to bother random anons that forgot to take their pills on random forums nobody reads.

14:09:14 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what's that to do tho ? i mean, this is merely how to index things on the site.

14:09:22 mircea_popescu: and he changed from the block thing to the tx thing which is fine.

14:09:59 mircea_popescu: dub how about the chick that got paid to secretary.

14:10:02 RagnarDanneskjol: I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent to random addresses

14:10:16 bounce: on that note, how's the bitcoin f0ne going?

14:10:26 mircea_popescu: bounce still there, but i don't think many popl call.

14:10:38 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol but how do you figure this does that ?!

14:10:46 RagnarDanneskjol: because it does

14:10:52 MolokoDesk: ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment.

14:10:53 mircea_popescu: i dun follow.

14:11:06 MolokoDesk: However, I'm aware we never discussed final comp. so.

14:11:09 bounce: cards in the mail to all the rich and powerful. "call our bitcoin f0ne!"

14:11:18 mircea_popescu: bounce but why

14:11:24 MolokoDesk: I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like this USD.

14:11:31 bounce: for the blogposts. what else?

14:11:48 MolokoDesk: you'll get this regardless. I'm just saying this isn't what I had in mind.

14:12:03 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well that's why it's very important to be loud and clear about what you have in mind.

14:12:27 dub: mircea_popescu: I thought they were teh same person

14:12:37 mircea_popescu: dub moiety and saffron ?!

14:12:37 bounce: anyway, just wondering really

14:12:46 dub: or, idk im out of the loop

14:12:56 mircea_popescu: why the hell does everyone think everyone's the same person as everyone else.

14:12:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00075258 = 14.9387 BTC [+] {4}

14:12:59 mircea_popescu: this anonimity.

14:13:25 bounce: a secret wish for a simpler world

14:13:33 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk don't be shy about it, we're all assholes anyway.

14:13:37 dub: its teh internet and 'they' are female, there can't be more than one

14:13:49 mircea_popescu: moiety is actually cute iirc.

14:14:02 MolokoDesk: ok, guess, we should talk about what adding a payment option to this and maintaining the bot long term are worth in terms of comp.

14:14:15 mircea_popescu: heck, there's not so many ugly women in btc. which makes one think... what if there's more to hotness than usually thought ?

14:14:20 mircea_popescu: what if ugly women are also stupid ?

14:14:30 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk go ahead.

14:15:13 MolokoDesk: can I make the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing this?

14:15:36 RagnarDanneskjol: no

14:15:37 mircea_popescu: doing what exactly ? admining deeds bot ?

14:15:54 MolokoDesk: writing software and maintaining it on a priority level.

14:16:06 mircea_popescu: that, yes. but you'll notice it's also unspecified.

14:16:18 MolokoDesk: ok. think of it as a retainer.

14:16:23 mircea_popescu: derping around with bitcoin can in principle be very lucrative, but in practice it depends what you do.

14:16:35 MolokoDesk: or for whom you do it.

14:16:52 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk retainers are useful where work is abundant and workers scarce. this is not the case in coding,

14:17:01 MolokoDesk: ok.

14:17:03 mircea_popescu: which is why things like linux can exist in the first placew.

14:18:09 MolokoDesk: linux has a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So the people working on it are contributing to it because besides being generallly useful and having the political influence it does, they make a lot of money on it.

14:18:10 mircea_popescu: <MolokoDesk> or for whom you do it. << well, yes, plenty of idiots manage to cosy up with the clueless and live decently in the process. not rly my cup of tea, but th world's full of tims and andreases.

14:18:21 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk quite exactly.

14:18:40 MolokoDesk: there's kind of an odd hybrid type of open source made by companies like Rackspace. they give the stuff away for free because it generates enormous amounts of work for them.

14:18:42 mircea_popescu: !up ivok

14:19:09 MolokoDesk: ok. I'm pretty much out then I think.

14:19:17 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk among other things bitcoin is not very friendly to the fiat world model of work for hire. it very heavily favours the linux style of doing things.

14:19:42 MolokoDesk: well, increasing the number of stakeholders would make sense.

14:19:44 bounce: http://www.der-postillon.com/2014/09/telekom-stellt-kunden-datenubertragung.html

14:19:45 assbot: Der Postillon: Telekom stellt Kunden Datenbertragung an die NSA in Rechnung

14:19:51 mircea_popescu: not sure what you mean ?

14:20:42 dub: bounce: lol awesome

14:20:45 MolokoDesk: if the only people who care about developing bitcoin are stakeholders, then having more stakeholders means more development and more likelihood that bitcoin in particular and decentralized cryptocurrencies in general will be around in the desired form in the long run.

14:21:16 MolokoDesk: right now bitcoin has a spendability problem, along with the disincentive to spend created by the expectation of deflation.

14:21:27 RagnarDanneskjol: not really

14:21:32 mircea_popescu: bounce wait wtf, german telecom wants to charge users for being spied ?!

14:21:34 MolokoDesk: there's also the volatility issue, but that may smooth out under certain conditions.

14:21:58 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk the thing is, bitcoin isn't trying to make friends.

14:22:07 mircea_popescu: it's offering a narrow window for people to be friendly, is all.

14:22:08 bounce: check their home page

14:22:13 MolokoDesk: is it trying to survive though?

14:22:18 mircea_popescu: bounce o like an onion ?

14:22:33 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk in the sense the sun is "trying to survive".

14:22:41 mircea_popescu: it's not optional.

14:22:41 bounce: sort-of, yes

14:22:49 MolokoDesk: well. cryptography is a mathematical fact.

14:23:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21479 @ 0.00075304 = 16.1745 BTC [+] {2}

14:23:12 MolokoDesk: he epiphenomena that grow out of that may not be.

14:23:18 mircea_popescu: yeah but various implications flow from there.

14:23:31 mircea_popescu: major point being that bitcoin is not epiphenomena.

14:23:34 kakobrekla: sun is "trying to survive". < remember the matrix clouds

14:23:41 mircea_popescu: the perceived world is an epiphenomenon of bitcoin

14:23:48 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah lol

14:24:04 kakobrekla: sun is just fine, earth on the other hand, fucked.

14:24:08 dub: thats actually not far from reality

14:24:25 MolokoDesk: there's a notion called non-entailment. it describes the non-predictability of evolving systems that lose backward-linked information as they evolve and for which there are a large number of adjacent states for which the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable.

14:24:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, this philosophical arcana aside, i can see that people got bills to pay and so on, so. no argument from me.,

14:25:06 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk that's not an adequate model for things such as gravity.

14:25:21 MolokoDesk: ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC to a non-stakeholder, someone who wants to use it as general purchasing power.

14:25:25 mircea_popescu: it's not like the future of the theory of gravity is uncertain. it's quite certain.

14:25:35 mircea_popescu: the future of any group of people is not certain, but nor does it matter so much,.

14:25:36 dub: one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur

14:25:48 MolokoDesk: well, general relativity isn't an adquate model for nonlinear systems.

14:26:18 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk as to your what happens : he becomes a stakeholder. there's a nice little fable re the nsa stash in the logs relating to this.

14:26:45 MolokoDesk: something we may agree on is that equlibrium models in macroeconomics aren't particularly descriptive, things like keynsian macroeconomics.

14:26:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475163 < that.

14:26:53 assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"

14:27:10 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk only thing i can agree about re keynesianism is that it's retarded

14:27:33 mircea_popescu: i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions than bizarre cults that claim they're not.

14:27:36 MolokoDesk: ok. we're in the same book there if not the same page.

14:27:56 RagnarDanneskjol: ugh

14:28:26 MolokoDesk: economics as a persuasive force is intriguing. the way the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces.

14:28:33 mircea_popescu: surely.

14:28:55 mircea_popescu: but as a great man once said, "it is forbidden to teach nonsense. but the study of nonsense, that's scholarship"

14:31:05 chetty: <dub> one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur// I think Iceland is taking care of that

14:32:06 mircea_popescu: chetty fortunately for all of us, the sulphur lobby ain't got money,

14:32:14 mircea_popescu: or else the entire us would be coated in fluoride

14:32:20 mircea_popescu: i mean sulfide whatever.

14:33:06 mircea_popescu: i miss the old days when us people were still living in africa where they belong and they fought "climate change" by digging holes in their labia.

14:33:16 mircea_popescu: the current masquerade is not unlike that famous monkey

14:33:27 bounce: sulphur credits?

14:33:31 bounce: let's lobby the UN!

14:33:44 thestringpuller: But you're friendly mircea_popescu

14:33:46 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU << him

14:33:46 assbot: Ape With AK-47 - YouTube

14:33:52 MolokoDesk: I suspect they're trying to apply a watershed management model to the atmosphere.

14:34:01 thestringpuller: you are the 2nd nicest person i've met on the interwebs

14:34:24 dub: chetty: indeed

14:34:42 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller where'd you meet the other one ?

14:34:56 bounce: internet-of-things mirror

14:34:59 dub: sa

14:35:06 thestringpuller: oh hanbot ? on the bitcointalk forums

14:35:29 thestringpuller: who other than a nice person would sacrifice their sanity to try an educate lemmings for a paycheck?

14:35:39 mircea_popescu: bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently a natural law, not merely a clever theorem.

14:35:50 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller an asshole ?

14:36:07 mircea_popescu: or otherwise, an underpaid public worker. like you know, a schoolteacher.

14:36:43 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk you know thinking about it... you're very likely exactly correct.

14:37:37 mircea_popescu: first explanation i ever heard that fits the observable data and doesn't require active malice.

14:38:03 mircea_popescu: which, contrary to what people think, is extremely expensive and thus quite a rare thing.

14:38:56 bounce: one might surmise that greatness of mind is orthogonal to what minds think about

14:39:12 asciilifeform: malice - expensive? sure. only in the sense an arsonist's ir laser to torch 'reichstag' from 10km away is expensive. the fuel for the fire - 'watershed management' or whatever idiocy of the day - is cheap.

14:39:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i mean psychologically expensive.

14:39:37 bounce: wtf is this watershed management model thing?

14:39:56 mircea_popescu: and ftr, watershed management is, if somewhat staid, perfectly valid agriculture

14:40:05 asciilifeform: sure.

14:40:08 mircea_popescu: which is a sort of engineering, for people thatdidn't get into metals scohol.

14:41:26 asciilifeform: point being, a small (biomass-wise, in the count of active participants) malicious agenda goes a long way coupled with great quantity of passive (non-malicious executors) biomass.

14:41:55 mircea_popescu: sure, but it's easier to teach someone math than to teach someone to be effectually malicious

14:42:05 mircea_popescu: and most people can't be bothered to learn math.

14:42:34 asciilifeform: teaching to follow directions and doing a maliciously-selected but eminently-reasonable thing - easy.

14:42:43 bounce: disagree. for malice you need a certain amount of cunning. if you have that, it's easy. if not, it's hard.

14:42:45 mircea_popescu: sure. but those don't matter anyway.

14:43:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're basically looking at the cables. the cables aren't a machine, the transistors are th machine.

14:43:17 bounce: cunning and disregard for consequences or at least disbelief in your own responsibility

14:43:19 mircea_popescu: the nonlinear junction is the machine. and nonlinear junction is expensive.

14:43:57 asciilifeform: both are essentials of machine

14:44:07 asciilifeform: what is one, without other.

14:44:15 mircea_popescu: bounce no see, the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism. thus it has some channels which work a certain way to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability to isolate super processes from micro processes, so to have the former work backwards.

14:44:23 mircea_popescu: this is an extremely difficult proposition.

14:44:35 mircea_popescu: hence the "conscience", a pop reference to that fixed cost.

14:44:49 bounce: without conscience there's no cost

14:44:58 mircea_popescu: no, the cost is there. conscience is just the name for it.

14:45:17 mircea_popescu: the name for it you're familiar with, anyway.

14:45:56 bounce: not everyone is actually burdened by such a thing. there's a reason petty crooks end up in the slammer time and again: inability to own up to their own misdeeds, to admit it was them that dunnit.

14:45:57 mircea_popescu: to bluntly simplify, what's good for the cell is good for the organ is good for the organism is good for the group is good for the world. and that's how it naturally acts.

14:46:11 mircea_popescu: if you actually flip a bit in there, you'll need a shitton of boundry tests to not kill yourself with it.

14:46:21 mircea_popescu: this is actually false.

14:46:28 mircea_popescu: think about it : they DO end up back in, right ?

14:46:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075219 = 17.5636 BTC [-]

14:46:43 mircea_popescu: they're not like 10x more difficult to catch each pass, are they ?

14:46:45 mircea_popescu: well then...

14:46:57 bounce: most of the time not of their own volition.

14:47:00 mircea_popescu: heh.

14:47:13 mircea_popescu: so then they are burdened.

14:47:31 mircea_popescu: not in one way, but who says that's got to be the way.

14:48:01 bounce: then they get out, and are unburdened again. and right out after the easy low fruit they're not supposed to take again.

14:48:10 mircea_popescu: not at all.

14:48:23 mircea_popescu: they get out, still burdened by the ill effects of their mismanaged flipped bit

14:48:26 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for the lemmings to be educated. that makes you a saint possibly.

14:48:29 mircea_popescu: which is how they get caught. because the code is broken

14:48:40 mircea_popescu: and it's broken because malice is expensive to write in software.

14:48:42 thestringpuller: A truly selfless act.

14:48:42 mircea_popescu: of any kind.

14:49:08 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough.

14:50:02 bounce: uhm. the expense is in the disagreeability of the rest of society, in fact it's the totality of society that bears the cost

14:50:18 mircea_popescu: not at all.

14:50:28 mircea_popescu: the expense is in that it's fucking hard to have asm instructions add one way

14:50:34 mircea_popescu: and then arbitrary in the stack add the other way.

14:50:40 mircea_popescu: and still have the rest of the code work.

14:51:33 mircea_popescu: let me go into details here, make a full model, save you some effort.

14:51:46 bounce: aight

14:51:47 mircea_popescu: suppose we live in a fully defined world with a fully exposed api consisting of two functions

14:51:54 mircea_popescu: rightthing() and wrongthing()

14:52:06 mircea_popescu: cell gets low on adp. cell calls rightthing() gets more energy.

14:52:30 mircea_popescu: body gets low on glucose. pancreas calls rightthing() releases some glicogen from liver

14:52:41 thestringpuller: glycogen*

14:52:44 thestringpuller: (sorry)

14:52:44 mircea_popescu: person is hungry. calls rightthing() gets a job.

14:53:02 mircea_popescu: now, obviously, person could also call wrongthing() steal bounce's sandwich.

14:53:27 mircea_popescu: but the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such a way as to not break the entire fucking stack are staggering.

14:53:43 thestringpuller: wrongthing can be right thing sometimes no?

14:53:51 mircea_popescu: brain is a repeating mechanism. next time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at a wrong time.

14:53:51 thestringpuller: what if stealing is the persons job?

14:53:53 mircea_popescu: how's one to know

14:54:04 thestringpuller: i.e. corporate espionage, professional art thief?

14:54:08 mircea_popescu: arguably.

14:54:13 mircea_popescu: which is why this is so damned expensive.

14:55:28 mircea_popescu: but if anyone's looking for intricate ways to waste their time, feel free to model a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need to be able to safely fire off both kinds.

14:56:16 mircea_popescu: should take care of about a year's worth of your time.

14:56:35 thestringpuller: or a year of a computer's time?

14:56:37 mircea_popescu: at a damage of 14.4k, as per the most recent data.

14:56:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22694 @ 0.00075144 = 17.0532 BTC [-]

14:57:08 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:57:10 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 379.9, Best ask: 380.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 380.0, 24 hour volume: 14599.26597529, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.557080625

14:58:48 bounce: it seems to me that the prevalence of crime even in an otherwise well-run system would indicate that this model of implied excessive cost isn't representative

14:58:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, the implications of a call aren't always obvious, which is a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all that sweet greek mythology about fate.

14:59:27 mircea_popescu: bounce i don't follow the logic there.

14:59:42 bounce: .oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in a ten page essay )

14:59:53 mircea_popescu: im saying routers are expensive, you're saying there's a lot of internet traffic.

14:59:54 mircea_popescu: ok. so ?

15:00:58 bounce: there's plenty routers that do mostly the right thing but then subtly the wrong thing in some cases, and the costs doesn't show up as prohibitive

15:01:48 mircea_popescu: not a good rendition of the analogy tho.

15:01:50 bounce: (there's this example of big brand name (cisco, forgot the model) routers taking ttl 0 packets and sending them out again with ttl 255)

15:01:55 mircea_popescu: let's approach this with different instrumentation.

15:02:12 mircea_popescu: where do you suppose it's more likely for a suprlus to accumulate, urban or rural setting ?

15:02:26 bounce: surplus in what sense?

15:02:33 mircea_popescu: any sense.

15:02:45 mircea_popescu: some sort of resource.

15:03:26 kakobrekla: urban = surplus of garbage, rural = surplus of garbage disposal area

15:03:45 mircea_popescu: uh. a hole is not a resource.

15:03:57 bounce: well, I'd imagine that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted things" would be more likely in urban areas

15:04:09 mircea_popescu: bounce who's morel ikely to be rich ?

15:04:15 mircea_popescu: if i show you two people that's all you know about em.

15:04:16 kakobrekla: can you dig infinite amount of holes? no.

15:04:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, because i can dig hole within hole.

15:04:36 kakobrekla: thats where the human fish lives.

15:05:16 kakobrekla: (aka Proteus anguinus)

15:05:30 mircea_popescu: bounce also, postmodernism is fucking with me. pretend the year is 1950.

15:05:47 mircea_popescu: back when urban and rural even meant something anymore.

15:05:57 bounce: there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like there'll be city bums and rich city folk. though I suppose the city folk might be more likely to have opportunity to amass riches.

15:06:19 mircea_popescu: aand where's malice going to be found as an art for its own sake ?

15:06:48 mircea_popescu: peasants can't afford to be assholes.

15:06:53 bounce: well, you won't find cattle rustlers in the city

15:07:02 mircea_popescu: the "good hardworking type" myth is exactly that, too fucking exhausted to be evil.

15:07:16 mircea_popescu: bounce yes, you will. spending their cattle rustling money trying to impress the wenches.

15:07:20 mircea_popescu: ;;seen klye

15:07:20 gribble: klye was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <KLYE> Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection

15:08:12 mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, the "keep her busy" ideology of metastatic xtianity is exactly the same. "no time to think evil." they actually go out and say it.

15:08:44 thickasthieves: all stress is an expense

15:09:00 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves quite.

15:09:15 mircea_popescu: and here we make the junction with how lying is an expensive activity - you gotta keep track of all the lies.

15:09:18 mircea_popescu: same principle.

15:09:19 bounce: though I'll grant that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more than most other people

15:09:26 thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is there a difference, maybe a saint was "rich" enough too

15:09:35 mircea_popescu: bounce never knew one that had ulcer. plenty of govt drones did, tho. fancy that.

15:09:45 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves can you name a rich saint ?

15:10:15 *: bounce was referring to some scientific study or other. says something about gov't dunnit guv

15:10:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wow i had no idea.

15:10:26 mircea_popescu: salamanders apparently.

15:10:45 thickasthieves: define rich

15:11:35 mircea_popescu: uhm. enough to pay girlies to show their tits ? i dunno.

15:12:16 thickasthieves: without restraints, might be my definition

15:12:18 thickasthieves: freedom

15:12:21 bounce: though the expense of lies is exactly in the tracking to try and keep'em straight. in some circles the lies fly so thick that everybody knows there's lots of lying going on, so there's very little point in keeping'em straight

15:13:00 thickasthieves: when you are rich enough to do wtf you want, you can practice sainthood and all kinds of "expensive" behavior

15:13:07 mircea_popescu: bounce right back to the routers example :)

15:13:09 bounce: does mean a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean the cost keeps on going up; at some point the belief just stops.

15:13:19 mircea_popescu: exactly, an abundance in practice does not speak as to how the behaviour is expensive.

15:13:45 bounce: practicing for sainthood isn't that expensive really.

15:13:50 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves or just as well could not

15:13:57 thickasthieves: it's very expensive

15:13:59 thickasthieves: imo

15:14:14 thickasthieves: sainthood might even be one of the most expensive things

15:14:16 mircea_popescu: i'm with him. telling an asshole to go fuck himself is hands down the hardest thing for people.

15:14:38 mircea_popescu: btw.

15:14:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google other people's lives

15:14:42 gribble: Other People's Lives (2011) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1924339/; The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/; MODEST MOUSE LYRICS - Other People's Lives - A-Z Lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/modestmouse/otherpeopleslives.html

15:14:48 thickasthieves: the only real currency we have is time

15:14:51 mircea_popescu: totally the illustration for this.

15:15:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/ < that one.

15:15:40 assbot: The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb

15:16:12 thickasthieves: telling an asshole to go fuck himself isnt that expensive, but getting him to agree and understand is

15:16:38 mircea_popescu: uh. that's nonsense.

15:16:45 mircea_popescu: how are ~you~ going to ... ~get him to~

15:16:46 thickasthieves: go fuck yourself

15:16:56 mircea_popescu: no u.

15:17:04 thickasthieves: such battle!

15:17:07 bounce: go on, you know you wanna

15:17:49 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Z82DJ3.txt )

15:17:49 thickasthieves: !b 7

15:18:33 mircea_popescu: fucking oneself ain't all that it's cracked up to be anyway.

15:18:45 mircea_popescu: (geddit ? cracked hah hah)

15:18:53 thickasthieves: lol

15:19:00 bounce: quick, cracked on reddit

15:19:17 bounce: geddit.com, all the jokes from reddit

15:19:26 mircea_popescu: reddit has jokes now ?!

15:19:52 mircea_popescu: "knock knock" "whos there" "privilege checking"

15:25:09 mats_cd03: gag

15:40:31 chetty: http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/29/florida-woman-arrested-possession-spaghettios/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

15:40:32 assbot: Woman Arrested for Possession of SpaghettiOs?

15:45:12 bounce: wonder if you can quantify the damage to society by things like that month in jail for essentially no reason

15:45:57 chetty: the fear of it is a lot bigger problem

15:46:47 chetty: per fraudsters latest article ...insecurity

15:46:54 thickasthieves: chill factor

15:47:02 thickasthieves: now i cant feel safe with utensils in car

15:48:23 bounce: the fear of it and the government losing legitimacy, yes. wasn't thinking just the economic side of things.

15:48:27 mircea_popescu: bounce it's not the month in jail, just like the problem with stealing isn't really that omg, someone's going to miss what you stole.

15:48:41 mircea_popescu: it's the fact that she now can't plan, because lo and behold, randomly sent to jail.

15:48:50 mircea_popescu: so why even bother with those violin classes she was saving up for ?

15:49:40 thickasthieves: music industry death by spoon

15:49:48 mircea_popescu: it's deeper than the govt legitimacy problem, too. it's the conventional nature of it that's the major destructive factor.

15:50:03 mircea_popescu: were she mauled by a savage beast, while unfortunate, it is quite natural.

15:50:23 mircea_popescu: but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as a device.

15:50:43 mircea_popescu: which is a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society.

15:51:14 chetty: (we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress)

15:52:35 mircea_popescu: lol

15:53:59 mircea_popescu: bounce to rehash a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits.

15:54:35 mircea_popescu: for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur.

15:55:14 mircea_popescu: the moral of this koan being that nothing is quantifiable, except for the things which are already : energy and matter. not space, not time, not the chain of causality.

16:01:45 bounce: well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too

16:01:57 mircea_popescu: nope.

16:02:14 mircea_popescu: the uncertainity principle is exactly due to their being quantified

16:02:59 bounce: or we could consider that accounting seems pretty solid on the outside but then proceeds to consist of lots and lots of handwaving. "what's this worth? well, uhm... how about $thismuch?"

16:04:01 bounce: so the question is more of a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP

16:04:41 chetty: accounting, also know as legerdemain

16:05:21 bounce: could even work out what's supposed to be the optimal speed through the system and so what the size of the various budgets like for forensic labs should be

16:05:54 mircea_popescu: well of course we can put some numbers on this.

16:05:55 mircea_popescu: 4.

16:06:35 mircea_popescu: or if you want i has larger amounts of numbers too.

16:07:26 mircea_popescu: suppose you tell me what number you'd like put on it and we can both go home having recreated the entire us state in five minutes.

16:07:39 bounce: doesn't say what the bond was set at

16:07:56 chetty: 42

16:07:58 bounce: 4 is random enough for me, thanks

16:22:13 thickasthieves: silver and gold are hurtin

16:28:36 mats_cd03: i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research

16:29:11 *: mats_cd03 trying to evaluate likelihood of being detained over meth spoon

16:29:23 Dimsler: http://www.funcage.com/blog/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-53-photos/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-014/

16:29:24 assbot: Most-Popular-Baby-Names-for-Girls-in-the-USA-014 | FunCage

16:29:53 Dimsler: http://www.funcage.com/blog/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-53-photos/

16:29:53 assbot: Most Popular Baby Names for Girls in the USA (53 Photos)

16:30:17 Dimsler: looks like 91 / 92 was the ashleys

16:37:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00075111 = 10.6658 BTC [-]

16:38:05 mats_cd03: my research suggests it is a predominantly white surname.

16:38:48 mircea_popescu: ashely ? prolly.

16:39:02 Dimsler: probably a whitey then

16:39:11 mats_cd03: and somewhat tangentially, http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/data/2000surnames/surnames.pdf

16:39:22 mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7%

16:39:51 thickasthieves: never met a person with any of those

16:39:54 Dimsler: well huff might be some form of bastardization

16:39:57 thickasthieves: :)

16:40:05 Dimsler: could have been huffington

16:40:23 thickasthieves: yeha huff sounds like some euro name that got chopped during immigrations

16:41:45 mats_cd03: i have met people with all of those surnames

16:42:04 Dimsler: lol those are all predmoninatly german / jew

16:46:07 mats_cd03: being born a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode

16:46:47 mats_cd03: oughta develop a dope addiction. balance things out.

16:48:45 bounce: that really doesn't make sense

16:49:26 mats_cd03: my reality is warped

16:50:27 bounce: rode to school in the warped bus, eh

16:50:30 chetty: hahahaha: tweet: There's not much room left under the Obama bus.

16:51:50 mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.

16:51:50 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:52:06 mike_c: kakobrekla: ping.

16:52:20 mike_c: and for the record, moving sucks.

16:53:28 kakobrekla: even if its just the servers.

17:00:18 bounce: on that note, next after obamaman will be what, a republican, maybe a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses?

17:00:25 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness.

17:01:34 mircea_popescu: bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence.

17:02:00 bounce: o_O?

17:02:16 bounce: yet another "yes we can"-campaign then?

17:03:12 mircea_popescu: maybe hilary runs

17:03:14 mircea_popescu: or who knows.

17:03:31 bounce: michele vs. hillary

17:03:57 mircea_popescu: maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses

17:03:59 mircea_popescu: "national unity"

17:04:31 bounce: won't happen. this schizophrenic one party system has a serious aversion to truth in politics.

17:05:12 bounce: and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship

17:05:15 mircea_popescu: depends where the angle is.

17:05:48 mircea_popescu: usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt.

17:06:08 mircea_popescu: so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea.

17:06:14 mircea_popescu: (first only in the us sense of that term, of course)

17:06:31 bounce: (which is the only things that counts. provincials.)

17:07:19 mircea_popescu: you could say that before angie duff of derpytown, montana thought to dress in a sheet for her school play role as a roman matron

17:07:26 mircea_popescu: nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed.

17:07:28 mircea_popescu: all her.

17:15:15 asciilifeform: single-party << usa had this, in multi-muppet mode, for years.

17:49:54 punkman: http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0HL1ZV20140926?irpc=932

17:49:54 assbot: Germany plans tougher controls on would-be jihadists

17:50:37 bounce: let'em go and never let'em return

17:51:15 punkman: lulzy https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/09/27/heroin-takes-life-flagship-campus-umass-did-university-enough/KeUcRPH2VyQWmI0lhii01K/story.html

17:51:16 assbot: UMass police helped keep student's addiction secret - Metro - The Boston Globe

17:57:30 punkman: http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/80048

17:57:30 assbot: NME News Label to allow retroactive product placement in music videos | NME.COM

17:59:02 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byv5uWSIIAEf38C.jpg

18:05:46 punkman: "nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it

18:06:44 punkman: http://www.computer.org/cms/Computer.org/ComputingNow/2022Report.pdf

18:07:57 punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/sep/19/france-army-of-grape-pickers-harvest-in-pictures

18:07:57 assbot: Harvest for the world: France's army of grape-pickers in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian

18:16:02 punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/29/the-hot-new-consent-app-good2go-is-logging-the-name-and-phone-number-of-everyone-you-have-sex-with/

18:16:02 assbot: The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post

18:23:06 punkman: https://twitter.com/fonebtc/status/516556693950713856

18:23:07 assbot: /bruces Nobody wants to see Buffet naked.

18:29:22 punkman: check out JuliaTourianski spreading the word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVb2xFtoro

18:29:23 assbot: Do You Want Your Bitcoin Stolen? - YouTube

18:36:35 hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising

18:37:43 hanbot: let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy"

18:38:26 hanbot: all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world.

18:45:02 punkman: http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/18/can-someone-just-invent-an-i-consent-to

18:45:03 assbot: Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : Reason.com

18:45:58 punkman: "The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives."

18:46:23 punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt

18:47:36 bounce: "help them"? it'll claim the rights and fsck the students.

18:51:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0007503 = 11.4046 BTC [-]

18:52:17 punkman: bounce, perfect

18:56:30 hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams.

19:00:20 asciilifeform: the 'sex contract' app may be lame - but there's an actual market for solving actual problem there.

19:01:14 asciilifeform: unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport.

19:03:11 asciilifeform: there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc.

19:07:45 mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange

19:07:54 dignork: punkman: not sure about legality, but there is a cypherpunk solution: video recording crypted by 3 keys (Shamir's scheme), 2 keys needed to decode, 1 key at court, 2 other keys are of the involved parties

19:08:10 dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though

19:08:47 asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies.

19:11:01 hanbot: asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity)

19:12:00 asciilifeform: hanbot: this is reminiscent of the debate regarding whether folks being burned at the stake should or should not get a little sack of gunpowder to wear around their neck

19:12:26 asciilifeform: hanbot: or whether folks sentenced to sit on a stake should get oiled or not oiled stake.

19:13:57 bounce: so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?

19:14:45 asciilifeform: bounce: 'if you gotta ask, answer is no' or something like that.

19:15:44 asciilifeform: (if i had answer, i'd be posting 'best of buenos aires restaurants' photos along with mircea_popescu)

19:16:15 hanbot: why not the debate regarding whether people drowning in puddles should be given a swat?

19:17:23 asciilifeform: basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in

19:17:41 asciilifeform: ' connections)

19:19:31 asciilifeform: problem of escape is also usefully divisible into two distinct sub-problems - how to get out of X, and how to find Y such that you can eat there and avoid whatever it was that you weren't so fond of at X.

19:21:02 asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here.

19:21:13 hanbot: never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.

19:21:23 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

19:21:25 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.04, Best ask: 391.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 391.0, 24 hour volume: 15803.69862757, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 393.8, 24 hour vwap: 378.10556746

19:22:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15775 @ 0.00075285 = 11.8762 BTC [+]

19:22:13 punkman: from over here, it looks to me like half of you wannabe escapees just love murica too much to leave

19:22:36 asciilifeform: folks who actually want to escape from -everything-... fellate their pistols. a more selective solution - takes finesse and resources.

19:24:35 asciilifeform: punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter.

19:24:48 hanbot: <asciilifeform> -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'.

19:26:36 asciilifeform: most people in usa understand that no one, across any ocean, is holding his breath waiting for them.

19:31:10 hanbot: food and shelter are a lot easier to acquire when you let go of stuff you don't need. that latter part tends to be harder.

19:31:54 asciilifeform: hanbot: if you've the time - elaborate. which things ought people let go of ?

19:34:27 asciilifeform: hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors...

19:34:39 hanbot: well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear.

19:35:35 asciilifeform: hanbot: dare i ask, what did you personally let go of.

19:40:52 hanbot: in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.

19:41:54 hanbot: kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc.

19:42:20 asciilifeform: hanbot: with the exception of hereditary peasants, bound to the soil, etc - can't picture who is attached to the 'place' per se

19:43:16 asciilifeform: hanbot: friends - sure. (though they are still your friends, presumably, over telegraph)

19:45:42 hanbot: eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!

19:46:32 hanbot: and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore.

19:46:56 asciilifeform: hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do.

19:48:29 hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box?

19:48:39 asciilifeform: hanbot: usually, by the time leaving seems like a good idea regardless, it is far too late.

19:49:08 asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space.

19:49:17 asciilifeform: hanbot: so you stay in.

19:49:55 asciilifeform: hanbot: possibly try to construct a suit, sure. but not going into vacuum until suit is reasonably airtight.

19:49:56 punkman: so it's a rationalizing calculation :P

19:51:44 asciilifeform: punkman: rationalizing << let's have the harsh light of the cold truth, then..?

19:51:54 hanbot: well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside.

19:53:56 punkman: asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away

19:54:28 asciilifeform: hanbot: i can only speak for myself, really, but i do have a fairly solid picture of what kind of life folks with profession similar to my own live, in various parts of the world, and how much sweat they must sweat, vs. i at my duties, and so forth.

19:56:09 asciilifeform: i should probably point out that unlike many people i know in usa, i'm generally more interested in aggregate free time than usual luxuries. this gives me a somewhat perverse incentive structure.

19:56:40 bounce: thou shalt consuuuuuuuuuume

19:57:32 asciilifeform: happy to consume: food, water, plenty of mains current, the occasional bit of scrap metal.

19:58:04 bounce: the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against"

19:58:17 bounce: apparently that's all they need to keep ticking.

19:59:26 asciilifeform: the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial

19:59:29 hanbot: asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom.

20:00:13 hanbot: which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar?

20:00:26 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mats_cd03 I'll prolly have a list soon

20:00:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:01:20 hanbot: soft nose ---> sharp metal points repeatedly probably not in his manual

20:01:43 bounce: the state doesn't seem quite dead yet. crumbling, grasping, but not quite dead yet.

20:02:29 asciilifeform: hanbot: it isn't really a 'profession structure' in my case. yes, for some people, 'i'm a lawyer and without that i'm nothing, where's my pistol' etc. these folks dropped like flies in '90s russia, say. but i'm more of - 'if i can move across the sea, but have to work as shoemaker in a cellar for 12h day, instead of 'turning the right screw' here in usa, why do i need to buy plane ticket? i can do the shoemaker th

20:04:06 xanthyos: ;;later tell davidldubuc glad you dug your private key out of that train station dumpster.

20:04:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:04:29 hanbot: ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon.

20:05:04 asciilifeform: hanbot: technically, anyone who can scrape together the loose change for a plane ticket - and can physically get to airport - 'can.'

20:05:47 asciilifeform: hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars.

20:05:57 hanbot: yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper.

20:06:44 danielpbarron: xanthyos, lol did he really?

20:06:57 xanthyos: omg danielpbarron is speaking to me

20:07:20 xanthyos: no, it's a joke that he might

20:07:25 xanthyos: and only then be able to receive the msg

20:10:40 xanthyos: someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind

20:11:19 danielpbarron: i don't think the price will go much lower than 380

20:11:32 xanthyos: i do, but i'm going long term

20:11:55 xanthyos: i can afford to go bust, i'm not going all in

20:13:02 danielpbarron: you should bet on this then http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/bitcoin-to-drop-under-350-before-november/

20:13:02 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November :: 32.73 B (58%) on Yes, 23.94 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 3 days | weight: 24`802 (100`000 to 1)

20:13:21 xanthyos: haven't heard from stander since nitrogensports.eu opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled

20:13:42 danielpbarron: hah!

20:13:47 xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot

20:14:01 hanbot: asciilifeform incidentally this has left me wondering what free time is worth if you don't perceive that you're free. if you can still do all you want to do, though, great!

20:14:14 BingoBoingo: %t

20:14:14 atcbot: No data returned from X-BT.com

20:14:25 asciilifeform: hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later.

20:14:33 xanthyos: so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc

20:14:37 xanthyos: jsut a theory

20:14:49 danielpbarron: p.good theory

20:15:27 asciilifeform: hanbot: if i had to do a conventional 'job', with physical movement and shifts, the kind that actually leaves you tired at the end of a day - that'd be much like prison.

20:16:31 asciilifeform: hanbot: mircea_popescu was once puzzled why people will break their backs to make pennies 'while they sleep.' i always understood why.

20:16:33 danielpbarron: i like being tired at the end of the day; it's the all-year-long monotony of "conventional" jobs that I loath

20:17:03 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: tired is fine when you tired because you were acting on own volition.

20:17:15 *: danielpbarron nods

20:18:41 *: hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here

20:18:55 asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time.

20:19:27 *: bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe.

20:20:17 mod6: %t

20:20:18 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192

20:23:30 asciilifeform: perhaps also worth noting is that, imho, 'free time' is not only a freedom to act, but having with what to act. hence there is a difference between the free time of prisoner and non-prisoner.

20:25:06 mats_cd03: so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'?

20:25:07 xanthyos: !up bagels7

20:25:18 hanbot: so if i'm condensing this correctly, you want time in which to not be told what to do (free time), for which you must pay with an overarching adherence to what you're told to do (living in us)?

20:25:59 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you.

20:27:07 asciilifeform: hanbot: naturally, i, and everything alive, would rather have ininite pony and pay with - nothing. but thermodynamics disagrees.

20:29:34 xanthyos: http://gyazo.com/fa0f791df6b69f90519a710446b1a903 << neat software

20:29:44 thickasthieves: limits are liberating

20:30:11 thickasthieves: if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time

20:30:27 thickasthieves: context

20:30:42 asciilifeform: thickasthieves: arbeit macht frei ?

20:30:51 hanbot: asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho?

20:31:10 thickasthieves: i wouldnt put it that way ascii, but sure

20:31:12 asciilifeform: !s cheetah zoo

20:31:13 assbot: 3 results for 'cheetah zoo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cheetah+zoo

20:31:56 thickasthieves: the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time

20:32:31 thickasthieves: so work specificlaly isnt exactly better, but it is liberating

20:32:59 asciilifeform: for some people, having a master feels liberating, sure. no disputing this.

20:33:04 thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach

20:33:27 xanthyos: http://gyazo.com/1508630f72c79ffef7537fbe53afcb1f

20:33:48 hanbot: godspeed freedom cheetah

20:34:34 asciilifeform: cheetah needs to find hole. or invent bolt-cutters.

20:35:24 asciilifeform: notice that 'wait to be lifted' isn't on the list. no one steals a cheetah except to place in another zoo.

20:35:52 thickasthieves: some cheetahs are used for gene diversification

20:36:06 thickasthieves: notexactly a zoo, but similar in practice

20:36:22 asciilifeform: thickasthieves: that would fall under 'other zoo' scenario, no ?

20:36:37 thickasthieves: in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours...

20:37:27 hanbot: did the ELF never steal a cheetah?

20:38:12 asciilifeform: steal and turn loose in africa, or on city streets ? makes a difference.

20:42:29 hanbot: eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying.

20:43:11 bounce: just dying isn't really allowed, no

20:43:23 asciilifeform: fortunately, dying trying doesn't cost anything.

20:48:53 BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames

20:50:15 BingoBoingo: %t

20:50:16 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192

21:04:24 mircea_popescu: holy shit logs.

21:04:32 mircea_popescu: well, brb, i need a drink

21:05:06 nubbins`: mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/031PbFll.jpg

21:05:09 nubbins`: a wild poster appeared ;0

21:05:39 RagnarDanneskjol: awesome... needs bigger

21:05:58 nubbins`: to be fair, that's an unusually large pole

21:06:17 nubbins`: this is a trial run, wanted to make sure the guy didn't suck before i get him to post larger ones

21:06:29 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2S5RMT3.txt )

21:06:29 thickasthieves: !b 3

21:06:43 nubbins`: hmmmm...

21:06:48 RagnarDanneskjol: ahahah

21:06:52 bounce: where is this? they have underground buses!

21:06:52 nubbins`: yeah, okay, +1

21:07:06 nubbins`: bounce lives in a city without tunnels 8)

21:07:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` o.O

21:07:42 nubbins`: looks a bit lonely, hey

21:07:49 BingoBoingo: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102037055

21:08:19 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: "BREAKING NEWS: Ebola stocks surge"

21:08:39 BingoBoingo: Amazing Hemorage!!!

21:08:39 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

21:09:36 nubbins`: you should see the rest of the pictures the guy took. not sure if drunk or couldn't find flash button

21:09:44 nubbins`: C- would not pay again

21:11:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` most ppl dunno how to use the soap bar.

21:12:54 nubbins`: fair enough

21:14:57 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/C1yubIf.png

21:16:03 mircea_popescu: punkman: "nine technical leaders" <<< ahahaha just this.

21:16:32 BingoBoingo: %v

21:16:33 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 30d-Vol: 252k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 191

21:16:35 mircea_popescu: o look, nubbins`! faeries!

21:16:49 nubbins`: just think, all cohen wanted people to do was light a match

21:17:12 nubbins`: now you gotta have a cell phone contract if you wanna play!

21:17:46 mircea_popescu: don't be the person that you came with!

21:18:27 BingoBoingo: lol comments thx Microsoft >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/the-next-version-of-windows-will-be-windows-10/?comments=1

21:18:28 assbot: The next version of Windows will be… Windows 10 | Ars Technica

21:18:57 mircea_popescu: hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising << duh. how do you think the pretense of "media" is preserved ? edvertising!

21:19:21 nubbins`: man i'm reading this article about cohen now and the asshole who wrote it seriously just referred to federico lorca as "gabriel garcia lorca"

21:19:30 mircea_popescu: punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp.

21:19:41 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's in a book.

21:19:51 nubbins`: too many words, it turns out

21:20:04 mircea_popescu: hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ?

21:20:18 mircea_popescu: free rent all glass front apts ?

21:20:23 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp. << Upgrade the dorms to... STUDIOS!

21:20:27 bounce: shoulda patented it

21:20:40 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> don't be the person that you came with! << !

21:20:58 mircea_popescu: bounce i patited it.

21:21:41 nubbins`: BingoBoingo so what's the actual version number? 6.3?

21:21:54 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Prolly 6.4

21:21:55 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange <<< no, it;'s just the usa

21:22:05 mircea_popescu: !up test___

21:22:07 nubbins`: heaven forbid they commit one way or the other

21:22:18 mircea_popescu: that's why getting him there was so important for the swedish collaborationists.

21:22:26 test___: Hi. Just checking out this channel.

21:22:29 mircea_popescu: that's why their failure to do so collapsed the whole thing.

21:22:29 nubbins`: hi test___

21:22:33 mircea_popescu: test___ so who're you ?

21:22:47 test___: Me. ;)

21:22:51 mircea_popescu: "when one peers into the void, the void peers right back"

21:23:03 nubbins`: BingoBoingo one guy: "Windows X.11 for workgroups"

21:23:04 nubbins`: lel

21:23:07 nubbins`: few jokes in there

21:23:39 bounce: not quite the void, but lots of peering

21:23:41 mircea_popescu: dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though <<< course it does.

21:23:58 nubbins`: everything scales to group sex

21:24:11 mircea_popescu: nubbins` doesn't nubbins sound like he just got some.

21:24:13 bounce: windows for groupsex? o_O?

21:25:00 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm in my prime, i generally sound like that 8)

21:25:20 test___: *everything scales to group sex* Will keep an eye to this channel to confirm that!

21:25:59 BingoBoingo: test___: Generally that's the topic

21:26:15 nubbins`: wait, i get it. they skipped windows 9 because 7 8 9 :(

21:26:23 mircea_popescu: huh ?

21:26:40 nubbins`: funnier if you say it out loud

21:26:45 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Microsoft's next release is XWindows

21:26:54 mircea_popescu: awww no windex ?

21:27:12 BingoBoingo: No, Proctor and Gamble make Windex

21:27:24 BingoBoingo: In their artisan chemistry shop

21:27:27 nubbins`: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kr_MrsKj6nI/TsoreDJ9IyI/AAAAAAAAACQ/p1XBSIZAnQc/s1600/26686aa.png

21:27:33 dignork: mircea_popescu: with group sex, let's say you had 4-way, so you get 5 signatures with at least 4 to redeem, but only one claims rape against another one - you don't have enough keys

21:27:57 mircea_popescu: you suppose naming your kid gamble is likely to give him a head start in lif ?

21:28:09 nubbins`: better than proctor

21:28:29 BingoBoingo: I might name a kid gamble nao.

21:29:09 mircea_popescu: best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names

21:29:16 BingoBoingo: I just like how XWindows was annouced the day ebola was annouced in the US

21:29:17 mircea_popescu: then when the kids turn 14 or w/e...

21:29:35 bounce: why'd he bother? they're his anyhow.

21:29:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names << Isn't this why you commishun'd Deedsbot?

21:29:49 mircea_popescu: maybe he's impotent and jealous on all the other priests ?

21:30:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol right.

21:30:28 mircea_popescu: because people who have sigs really need names.

21:31:10 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> because people who have sigs really need names << Not to register people's names, but subjects names

21:31:49 mircea_popescu: shit i put vinegar on my shirt ;/

21:32:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies. << subtle difference between cccp and warsaw pact.

21:32:48 mircea_popescu: bout the same relationship between us and the swedish government say.

21:33:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here. << very true, but wtf, why brooklyin ?!

21:36:29 BingoBoingo: Why not Brooklyn, Illinois?

21:36:39 mircea_popescu: hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box? << ha! she got you there.

21:36:41 BingoBoingo: ;;google "Brooklyn, Illinois"

21:36:42 gribble: Brooklyn, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn,_Illinois; Brooklyn, Illinois Archaeology Project: http://www.histarch.illinois.edu/brooklyn/; PTs Brooklyn - Brooklyn, IL | Yelp: http://www.yelp.com/biz/pts-brooklyn-brooklyn

21:36:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo never been to that one.

21:37:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty much nothing but strip clubs, fun town.

21:37:08 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago brooklyn still rocked. decay noticeable in the air, like dogs can smell snow. but it still rocked.

21:37:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space. <<< dude get out, people live everywhere people live.

21:41:39 mircea_popescu: xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot << what a great way to start something

21:41:43 mircea_popescu: especially a gambling something.

21:42:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time. <<< this is so funny.

21:42:56 mircea_popescu: i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans.

21:44:38 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach <<< yes. but devoid of the conveniently muscled uterus and its precise timers.

22:13:38 xanthyos: http://gyazo.com/33b38303136a45f3069e5f1b5138a077

22:14:34 mircea_popescu: google ads : Don?t Pay a Prostitute - Meet a Lonely Austrian Housewife Adwww.ashleymadison.com/

22:14:34 mircea_popescu: Austrian Affairs Made Easy!

22:15:13 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans. << lel

22:17:04 nubbins`: when i was in colombia, i had dinner with a german scuba instructor. he said "if you needed to study and pass a test to be a boat captain in Taganga, there would be no boat captains in Taganga"

22:17:42 mircea_popescu: kik

22:22:17 jurov: <hanbot> which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar? << actually, if rats are given transparent lid they go into full learned helplessness

22:22:23 jurov: in few days

22:22:38 jurov: and won't try to jump off even after lid is taken away

22:23:00 jurov: there was plenty of research

22:25:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00074865 = 7.3742 BTC [-]

22:42:25 jurov: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=249664017 hahah saffron

22:42:30 hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ? << but you forgot to make intellectual property dorm :D (srsly tho, i'd forgotten meanwhile)

22:42:33 jurov: go to 0:20

22:43:30 hanbot: jurov will the rats starve in there? or given food & reasonable temps etc?

22:43:33 kakobrekla: i hope she is getting paid

22:45:37 mircea_popescu: hanbot likely story

22:46:15 *: mircea_popescu can't be bothered to video. what's in pornhub link ?

22:46:33 jurov: she's showing off trezor

22:46:51 kakobrekla: trezor, without quotes

22:47:30 mircea_popescu: hehe so what's the problem with that

22:48:00 mircea_popescu: ppl stealing my ideas is what open source is all about.

22:50:59 jurov: hanbot yes they were fed, researchers were mostly interested in resulting depression

22:53:06 hanbot: jurov and i thought cosmetics testing was sad

23:14:27 jurov: http://www.tse-systems.com/products/behavior/anxiety/learned-helplessness.htm omg they even sell premade cages for that

23:14:36 BingoBoingo: http://olive-drab.com/od_surplus_armsbazzar.php

23:14:37 assbot: U.S. News 12/2/96: Weapons Bazaar

23:14:53 jurov: A free-programming language is available for generating custom procedures.

23:16:49 BingoBoingo: jurov: All of those cages seem small for mice of interesting size...

23:17:40 jurov: i refuse to investigate further

23:20:47 mircea_popescu: jurov mice or rats, incidentally ?

23:26:18 cazalla: JuliaTourianski, gee you really upset reddit

23:27:15 mircea_popescu: lol what's she do ?

23:27:42 cazalla: criticise circle

23:27:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm guessing she returned here and continued conversation

23:28:05 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Linky?

23:28:08 mircea_popescu: incidentally, re jurov's rats : i wonder what happens once "they" finally figure out a) how to induce headaches with RF economically and b) get the social media profiling fine enough. search for bad words on google ? headache, stfu.

23:28:14 kakobrekla: watch out for ddos police with liabilities

23:28:27 cazalla: BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2hw9u2/dont_trust_circle_keep_your_own_private_keys/

23:28:28 assbot: "Don't trust circle. Keep your own private keys" : Bitcoin

23:28:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw, im working on an article that'll put that entire thing into quite the lulzy monture.

23:28:44 kakobrekla: hehe

23:28:50 BingoBoingo: cazalla: BTW how's the news business

23:28:51 mircea_popescu: cazalla oh, so she upset the usg agitators ? aww.

23:29:12 cazalla: BingoBoingo, still trying to think of a name

23:30:15 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Weren't there like 50 yesterday? Make an executive decision.

23:30:46 cazalla: bing http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#850721 yes

23:30:47 assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 03:05:00; thickasthieves: call it The Biz

23:30:52 cazalla: BingoBoingo even

23:30:58 cazalla: drop the the, just call it facebook

23:31:22 BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget autocomplete, call it Qiz

23:31:27 mircea_popescu: facebutt

23:31:51 mircea_popescu: Facebutt : The Safe Place For Buttheads!

23:32:15 BingoBoingo: Oh, I thought you were going to do something annilingus related there

23:35:46 BingoBoingo: Facebutt is pretty much the recipe for tossed salad

23:37:38 mircea_popescu: hehe

23:37:48 mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p05/p/09.jpg

23:51:36 ben_vulpes: <bounce> michele vs. hillary << kirchner's in the usa!

23:52:57 mircea_popescu: lol

23:54:37 ben_vulpes: ms clinton's eligible for the presidency in another year

23:55:04 ben_vulpes: clinton (8) + obama (8) + clinton (8) = 24

23:55:17 ben_vulpes: 24 + 16

23:55:32 ben_vulpes: (melia's 16)

23:55:39 ben_vulpes: it's not implausible.

23:56:29 nubbins`: why are we adding these numbers?

23:56:51 ben_vulpes: hillary rules for eight, michelle for eight, chelsea for eight, melia is now eligible for presidency.

23:57:02 nubbins`: feet (2) + ballhair (800) + ...oh, i see.

23:57:06 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You forget a third Bush... For the pretense of a second Party

23:57:13 ben_vulpes: ah shit i did indeed

23:57:24 ben_vulpes: a fine dynastic do-si-do

23:57:34 ben_vulpes: 'swing yer partner round and round...'

23:58:00 BingoBoingo: You know it has been a while since a Roosevelt, but maybe we finally call in a Rockefeller off of the bench