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00:02:30 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $60 before 2015 " http://bitbet.us/bet/1076/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.12135222 BTC. Current weight: 99,671.

00:46:06 xinxi: no one is here?

00:46:54 kakobrekla: you are here.

01:04:06 mats_cd03: people are around

01:05:26 mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvl2nw2wkkM << another sweet talk by goodspeed

01:05:27 assbot: #HITB2013AMS D1T1 Travis Goodspeed - Nifty Tricks and Sage Advice for Shellcode on Embedded Systems - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B2lLmL )

01:10:56 mats_cd03: i should probably save these for when asciilifeform is around

01:44:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00035576 = 5.7989 BTC [-]

02:26:24 thestringpuller: c'est bon si bon

03:08:08 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2nslpe/ponzi_treasury_issues_1t_in_new_debt_in_8_weeksto/

03:29:35 decimation: "If the Treasury were forced to convert the $1.4 trillion in short-term bills (on which it now pays an average interest rate of 0.056 percent) into 30-year bonds at the average rate it is now paying on such bonds (4.919 percent) the interest on that $1.4 trillion in debt would increase 88-fold."

03:29:47 decimation: the Day of Days comes closer...

03:38:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7500 @ 0.0012564 = 9.423 BTC [+] {3}

03:41:08 decimation: ;;ticker

03:58:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00035609 = 14.1012 BTC [+]

04:18:49 decimation: http://oldurbanist.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/ever-since-euclid.html << " But their view seems to be that so long as the owner remains clothed with the legal title thereto and is not ousted from the physical possession thereof, his property is not taken, no matter to what extent his right to use it is invaded or destroyed or its present or prospective value is depreciated." << progressives have been grinding down the US for a long time

04:18:51 assbot: Old Urbanist: Ever Since Euclid ... ( http://bit.ly/1vwXT7n )

04:32:26 PinkPosixPXE: ben_vulpes: or mod6 you around, doing some adjustments on my script, and had a few questions about the modifications requested, quick questions.

04:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59102 @ 0.00035494 = 20.9777 BTC [-] {5}

04:50:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00035389 = 10.4221 BTC [-] {2}

04:57:05 thestringpuller: long time no see PinkPosixPXE

04:58:43 thestringpuller: decimation: I wonder how long they can keep it up.

05:01:18 decimation: who knows how long it can last, but the above debt issue isn't exactly a healthy sign

05:02:41 mod6: PinkPosixPXE: Hi! Yup, thanks! Check PM.

05:40:02 PinkPosixPXE: hey thestringpuller, yea, have had a bussy holiday season

05:40:05 PinkPosixPXE: busy*

06:05:12 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

06:05:15 gribble: Current Blocks: 332248 | Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 | Next Difficulty In: 391 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40003072562.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.73687

06:07:29 mircea_popescu: 4!

06:08:50 mircea_popescu: so here's an idea i just had : if one were to take a gas with favourable properties (such as high phase lambda, low evaporation temperature, stuff like that) and put a bunch of it liquefied in a canister

06:09:19 mircea_popescu: then open up an outlet in a convenient atmosphere, such as where a mist machine is working, or maybe just very humid tropical climate,

06:10:09 mircea_popescu: as the gas expanding sucks heat out of the canister, ice forms, which insulates, so eventually the gas coming out the outlet is itself supercooled, sucking the heat out of the atmosphere and making ice in random patterns. baiscally, "self-building ice tree"

06:10:27 mircea_popescu: perhaps works even better at the bottom of a shallow lake. "self-reorganising lake".

06:10:45 mircea_popescu: in any case... the high fantasy power of the ice / frost mage, at your fingertips. all you need is a compressor.

06:11:30 mircea_popescu: should make for pretty decent shows for like, corporate parties and expensive weddings and whatnot. And now, Billy Bob, the Ice Mage!

06:11:43 mircea_popescu: does anyone currently do this ?

06:15:40 *: cazalla cast frost shock

06:16:00 mircea_popescu: lol

06:19:35 mircea_popescu: jurov: this is the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead <<< out of the 10`000 billion lines of commentary written on the "usg is making up money and giving it to redhat to implement its policies ; whereby control economy is now called "do-ocracy" topic the past year or so, yours is the first one to actually be fucking sensible.

06:20:06 mircea_popescu: because yes, there fucking IS more to it than just the politicals of uncle sam going "o hai linux guise, you has some cattle of mine, taking them back kthxbye"

06:20:11 mircea_popescu: !up awt

06:24:27 mircea_popescu: undata: please take my course on the above for only 10 BTC << too cheap to work.

06:25:19 undata: mircea_popescu: damn, you're right. priced myself way below the life-coach/motivational market

06:25:24 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: yes because even more pretending will save the world << my fucking thoughts exactly.

06:25:40 mircea_popescu: undata see, this is why you should go work for me making 0.18 btc an hour.

06:25:59 mircea_popescu: while derping at conferences about how you're what was it, "transcending"

06:26:31 undata: haha, not bad money

06:26:42 mircea_popescu: ;;seen asciilifeform

06:26:42 gribble: asciilifeform was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 7 hours, 55 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i never understood the 'happy hacking keyboard' and imitators. being as i live and die by function keys, the more the merrier. why voluntarily have fewer?

06:27:19 mircea_popescu: this is how i know i'm not a programmer. i have not actually pressed any F key in... uh. months ?

06:27:21 mircea_popescu: cuz wtf for.

06:30:01 undata: better to program programmers, or so I hear

06:30:45 mircea_popescu: decimation:

06:30:46 mircea_popescu: "If the Treasury were forced to convert the $1.4 trillion in short-term bills (on which it now pays an average interest rate of 0.056 percent) into 30-year bonds at the average rate it is now paying on such bonds (4.919 percent) the interest on that $1.4 trillion in debt would increase 88-fold." <<< this is wreaking untold havoc on the entire known world, incidentally .it's not just the disruption it WILL cause as it u

06:30:46 mircea_popescu: nwinds.

06:31:03 mircea_popescu: that's the small part. the big part is the disruption it has already caused, and it continues to cause each passing day.

06:31:06 decimation: In my opinion, usg's crimes are not 'active' in the sense that they scheme with redhat for evil - usg's crime is that if failed to use the resources and human talent at its disposal to advance the art of computing at all

06:31:20 mircea_popescu: like the stuff discussed above re usg agency redhat, fuycking up linux. EXACTLY the stiuation of the giant ruining a chair.

06:31:47 mircea_popescu: linux is a nice comfortable chair. after red hat is done sitting in it, it will perhaps be still usable. maybe. like the woman that delivered a baby hippo will still make a good wife.

06:32:15 mircea_popescu: add to that all the idiots living off "free money" that was GIVEN tro them, while selling themselves on and trying to sell everyone else on how they're "making a positive impact"

06:32:42 mircea_popescu: the sheer amount of plain idiocy being imported into the software of the world by this avenue far exceeds all the idiocy that could ever be imported into openssh or the kernel.

06:33:05 mircea_popescu: because people do this, there's idiots whose careers are entirelyt constructed out of "advising start-ups", like undata is keenly aware.

06:33:50 undata: painfully so

06:33:55 mircea_popescu: there's nothing more corrosive to a state, and a society, and ultimately a culture, than fake money. it's the curse of fucking doom, you don't even need enemies if you got that.

06:34:04 undata: mircea_popescu: it makes people unable to think!

06:34:08 decimation: a very small part of the us population has any idea what it really means to economically run a business (turn a profit), and that part isn't in power

06:34:16 mircea_popescu: it's like nobody bothers to wish ill on the cancer patient. that's why russia and china are not even remotely interested in a large scale war.

06:34:24 mircea_popescu: just wait the scaroma victim out.

06:34:50 decimation: heh china is happy to buy the paper actually

06:34:55 undata: I have literally screamed "We need to make money!" at multiple jobs before setting out on my own.

06:34:55 mircea_popescu: and, unlike the fucking pretense and idiocy now current in the white world,

06:35:03 mircea_popescu: neither russians nor chinese are all that ethnically blind.

06:35:18 undata: the US "tech economy" is filled with rabbits who think the food and water just fills itself.

06:35:22 mircea_popescu: the day will come when being white will actually be exactly what the white supremacists feed themselves out of fearing : a handicap.

06:35:39 decimation: undata: from the outside, I've see the 'startup' debt-funding culture creates all sorts of weird behaviors

06:35:42 mircea_popescu: undata pretty much, it's almost as if cazalla's farm decided to enact itself into a "tech scene"

06:35:49 mircea_popescu: who'd care, right ? cazalla wouldn't even know.

06:36:06 undata: when I was 19 I was drummed out of a ruby on rails startup for my aforementioned rant

06:36:12 decimation: like, why not re-engineer a product from scratch when we could buy it off the shelf, because we have slaves working for us and we don't need to show positive cash flow!

06:36:12 undata: the company collapsed a month or two later

06:36:41 undata: they were seeking being bought out as their only strategy

06:37:07 mircea_popescu: perhaps not understanding that "give me free money" only works for that kid, with the truck.

06:37:17 mircea_popescu: and even then, it's hit-and-miss

06:37:58 undata: doesn't seem like you can correct "cannot think"

06:38:15 decimation: as Mr. Yarvin (and many others) have pointed out, the bottom line is that the us as a going concern (then entire economy) is a money losing proposition

06:38:19 undata: or to be more specific than that, it's "thinks his own imagination somehow directly affects reality"

06:38:55 mircea_popescu: decimation since carter at least. yes. and there's no way out of this.

06:39:08 mircea_popescu: nor, since there's no way out, is there any incentive to do anything but worsen it.

06:39:17 mircea_popescu: undata aka magic.

06:39:32 mircea_popescu: yes, you can't readily cure magic. which is why africa is and will remain africa.

06:39:54 decimation: nope. His analogy was something like: if you have a russian factory that's losing money - you take a haircut on operations and attempt to make it profitable

06:40:11 decimation: if that fails, the most rational option is to split up the assets and sell them off

06:40:22 decimation: which is kinda happening to the us on a slow scale

06:40:23 mircea_popescu: incidentally, all the people trained to hate the supreme sacred congregation of the holy office and their historical activities :

06:40:38 mircea_popescu: the rteason the civilise west exists is specifically because fucking idiots got burned at the stake for being fucking idiots.

06:41:15 undata: terrible gardening, letting anything grow anywhere it wants

06:41:44 mircea_popescu: undata yeah. good luck moving lovage, mint, rosemary, walnuts, etc.

06:41:48 mircea_popescu: not so easy :)

06:42:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, unrelated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ryo-cd-EU

06:42:49 assbot: German beer song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/11EYJTQ )

06:42:57 *: undata afk for a bit

06:43:26 decimation: natural law re-asserts itself, eventually

06:58:20 mircea_popescu: decimation excellent find, the euclid case.

06:58:36 mircea_popescu: yes, it's a landmark failure of the us legal system to protect the us the us pretends to be.

06:59:39 mircea_popescu: obviously sin breeds sin, had the generation of justices called to protect their country in the 1920s done a good job of it, the following generation wouldn't have seen itself confronted with "the government has stolen people's gold, whatcha gonna do about it"

07:00:06 mircea_popescu: ( http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/ etc)

07:00:07 assbot: The endless story of Korea. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pBtiVt )

07:00:41 mircea_popescu: aka Perry v. United States, 294 U.S. 330 (1935)

07:01:55 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXLEM8MhJo

07:01:56 assbot: Angelo Badalamenti explains how he wrote "Laura Palmer's Theme" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pBtwft )

07:02:02 punkman: mornin'

07:02:20 mircea_popescu: ello

07:02:45 mircea_popescu: "Why? I think there are several reasons. One is that being mean makes you stupid. That's why I hate fights. You never do your best work in a fight, because fights are not sufficiently general. Winning is always a function of the situation and the people involved. You don't win fights by thinking of big ideas but by thinking of tricks that work in one particular case. And yet fighting is just as much work as thinking ab

07:02:45 mircea_popescu: out real problems. Which is particularly painful to someone who cares how their brain is used: your brain goes fast but you get nowhere, like a car spinning its wheels."

07:02:55 mircea_popescu: apparently graham has not done his pascal reading. how about that lol.

07:03:22 mircea_popescu: "Another reason mean founders lose is that they can't get the best people to work for them. They can hire people who will put up with them because they need a job. But the best people have other options. A mean person can't convince the best people to work for him unless he is super convincing. And while having the best people helps any organization, it's critical for startups."

07:03:38 mircea_popescu: this is like saying "you can't get cool people to hang out in places where there's fire because fgire burns".

07:04:00 mircea_popescu: depends a fucking helluvalot WHAT, or as the case may be whom. the "best people" that are attracted to spineless idiots are never successful.

07:04:36 mircea_popescu: the people who manage to distinguish the effectually ruthless from the merely psychopathic always come out ahead, whether they're otherwise great or not, intelligent or not, whatever their situation may be.

07:07:28 mircea_popescu: there is of course also this (perhaps not entirely uninterested, perhaps even progressive-wetdream, perhaps actually correct) theory that ruthlessness rusts over time, and in the end you're always left with a psychopath.

07:08:41 mircea_popescu: of course, even should that be the merely unavoidable flow of things, proposing to stick with "nice people" as a palliative is not unlike proposing to stop eating because well, eating will in due course bring about your death.

07:08:50 mircea_popescu: studying diets seems a saner approach.

07:09:39 mircea_popescu: at least, this was the approach favoured by socrates and his school (platon, aristotel). which brings us back to the problem with paul graham : he is exactly the sort of scandalous ignoramus the us produces these days.

07:10:14 mircea_popescu: the problems he considers are in fact very rudimentary restatements of ancient considerations, and his complete unawareness of the space readily gives me ground to say "being a progressive makes you stupid".

07:10:33 mircea_popescu: which, empirically, it would seem to.

07:10:50 punkman: he has all kinds of stupid essays

07:11:07 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/

07:11:08 assbot: Anonymous derpage pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pBuh84 )

07:11:20 mircea_popescu: that problem, you know ? "o noes, james smith has reinveted the wheel!"

07:11:51 mircea_popescu: "come see paul graham read aramaic at the bottom of his start-up hat, and then translate it with the herpimm and the derpimm, two magical entrepreneurial stones from ancient egypt."

07:15:26 decimation: heh well maybe he found it on a random hill

07:15:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, looking at it from the other angle, "check out what incredible cultural gymnastics the socialists need to justify and defend their ludicrous dogmas"

07:16:51 mircea_popescu: indeed : in order for the "only nice people" mantra to be "supported" after a fashion, one needs to be not only completely ignorant of the classics, but not even realise that the fucking central subject both in their writings and in their own, stated estimation, was "how to rule people", and this is in no small part a consideration of what they call "mean".

07:17:13 mircea_popescu: a total fucking misnomer, by the way, what they mean is "ruthless". mean denotes something else, it's a sort of spiritual cheapness.

07:18:07 mircea_popescu: i get why it'd be nice for ruthlesness to carry the connotations meanness properly does. however, something being nice doesn't really do anything. if only it did, then the nice people'd be like mages, calling forth reality out of their fucking song.

07:18:19 undata: this "niceness" thing strikes me as a euphemism for obedient, if not to an explicit master then to the ubiquitous American religion of going with the flow

07:18:35 decimation: the us is ruled by the ruthless; they just never show their face to the public and never appear on camera

07:18:55 undata: portland tech startups are filled with such pussies; people are astoundingly offendable

07:19:11 mircea_popescu: well, it's difficult to circumscribe it, seeing how it's a word with no definition enacted by usage of a tribe that's not particularly thinking-inclined. but i would say "niceness" mostly denotes a sort of bovine passivity.

07:19:17 mircea_popescu: he is nice who does not ever act upon any other.

07:19:30 mircea_popescu: basically, it'll build a great 1700s india, this niceness.

07:19:53 undata: nobody will fight with you in a US tech company

07:19:58 mircea_popescu: decimation everything everywhere is ruled by the ruthless. that's why the simple were promised the kingdom of heaven

07:20:01 undata: I am too young to know whether this was always the case

07:20:02 decimation: well, Mr. Yarvin is quick to point out that it only took 1000 british civil servants to rule all of said india

07:20:06 mircea_popescu: not, like the jews, the kingdom of caldeea or w.e

07:20:16 undata: but I've always wanted to be in an environment where people would fight each other for the best idea

07:20:22 mircea_popescu: you are lol.

07:20:27 decimation: the whole idea of democracy is that the true power is obfuscated

07:20:29 undata: oh, right.

07:20:39 mircea_popescu: decimation monarchy too lol.

07:20:45 mircea_popescu: true power is always obfuscated.

07:20:55 mircea_popescu: in the simplest form : "don't call us, we'll call you"

07:21:03 decimation: heh yeah

07:21:07 mircea_popescu: power is necessarily unidirectional, by definition.

07:21:22 mircea_popescu: to be unidirectional it has to manifest some subset of properties of invisibility, somehow.

07:21:40 decimation: yeah, power without some kind of exclusivity isn't power

07:22:03 decimation: I just stumbled on this webpage: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/ << apparently there is an organization of us military who will keep their 'oath' to the constitution

07:22:05 assbot: Oath Keepers » Oath Keepers – Guardians of the Republic ... ( http://bit.ly/1rIUPQJ )

07:22:16 mircea_popescu: that got started right after 2001

07:22:21 mircea_popescu: iirc.

07:22:39 decimation: yeah reading what some of them think it's obvious they spout nonsense

07:22:54 mircea_popescu: i never actually went that far.

07:23:04 mircea_popescu: who the fuck are the centurions to write lmao.

07:23:21 decimation: so, the head guy is a lawyer who assisted with the ron paul campaign

07:23:24 undata: also demonstrates the pervasive belief that talk = action

07:23:34 undata: "having your voice heard"!!!

07:23:49 mircea_popescu: lol

07:23:58 undata: reminds me of the idiots that marched in downtown portland in response to ferguson

07:24:08 mircea_popescu: no, see, magical thinking strikes again,.

07:24:11 undata: you know, in an orderly fashion, mostly obedient to cops, etc

07:24:13 mircea_popescu: "if only our prayers were HEARD"

07:24:17 punkman: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/pledge/ lol

07:24:19 assbot: Oath Keepers Pledge ... ( http://bit.ly/1rIUWf5 )

07:24:30 mircea_popescu: yea, wat then ? god'll think you'r somewhere between offensively stupid and hysterically funny.

07:24:36 decimation: yeah, that's their exact problem, if they were to take any document-able action it would be counted as treason and usg would slam down

07:24:58 undata: mircea_popescu: wow... "god" the imaginary aggregate of democratic demands

07:25:16 mircea_popescu: of course ?

07:25:27 undata: certainly, it's just sickening

07:25:29 mircea_popescu: that figure is always the same figure, not like psychology is now going to fucking progress or something.

07:25:56 decimation: sorry for the moldbug link, but he sums it up well: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/actual-letter-to-liberal-friend.html << "Peasants see a patron-client relationship between the gentlemen and the varlets - a relationship not at all unlike the late Roman relationship of _clientela_, where a patrician measured his social status by the vast army of plebeians that battened on his trenches. Again, what to the

07:25:57 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Actual letter to a liberal friend ... ( http://bit.ly/1rIV1Q2 )

07:25:57 mircea_popescu: and besides, very deeply human thing, someone on his knees in a church or behind a tree or somehting, "please, i can't take this"

07:25:57 decimation: gentleman appears as a noble act of charity, compassion, etc, to the coarse and cynical peasant reveals itself as a purchase of political power, with his tax dollars if not his physical safety. Therefore a vision of the gallows arises in his hindbrain."

07:26:16 undata: mircea_popescu: seems like a person who has been broken merely by realizing the fact of his own existence

07:26:41 mircea_popescu: lol what the fuck else ?

07:26:49 mircea_popescu: there is nothing besides the fact of one's own existence.

07:27:09 undata: yes but broken by it?

07:27:18 undata: what kind of animal is that

07:27:35 mircea_popescu: well... you know that saying that, "given an artefact and a situation, the artefact will either work or it won't" ?

07:27:42 mircea_popescu: sometimes it gets broken by it, yes.

07:28:03 mircea_popescu: decimation maybe. how do you proceed from there ?

07:28:20 decimation: heh well he didn't have much in that direction

07:28:39 decimation: pretty much "the peasants realize they are being fucked and are pissed, but can do nothing"

07:28:44 mircea_popescu: see, it's a summary, for sure, and it has what to stand on, but it's not necessarily the case that its footing will support any ulterior conclusion.

07:28:52 mircea_popescu: so it's one of those, "maybe, depends where you aim to take it"

07:28:57 mircea_popescu: nah.

07:29:24 mircea_popescu: looky at a simile : two hot 17 yos : a redhead with perky tits, a brunette with butt to die for.

07:29:33 mircea_popescu: the guy they both like goes for one, or the other.

07:30:04 mircea_popescu: the one (or the other) sees true love. the other (or the one) sees just sheer stupidity on his part and the nefariousness of that one (or the other) witch.

07:30:15 mircea_popescu: what, someone's correct in this mess ?

07:30:52 decimation: Yeah that's a good point. It goes back to the position of the french nobility ca. 1789

07:31:10 mircea_popescu: if obama comes to power and gives a bunch of tax money to a bunch of cronies, the democratic activists will see justice being done, and the republicans corruption.

07:31:14 mircea_popescu: had the other schmuck won, idem.

07:31:19 mircea_popescu: just, the other way around.

07:31:45 decimation: Possibly. I get the feeling that republicans tend to be more ideological though

07:32:02 undata: naaaw

07:32:03 mircea_popescu: how do you measure ideologicalness ?

07:32:59 decimation: well, one can ask humans what they think, but does that reveal anything?

07:33:09 mircea_popescu: "Tom Reagan: I am awake. Tad: Your eyes are shut. Tom Reagan: Who you gonna believe?"

07:33:44 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2014#848621

07:33:44 assbot: Logged on 28-09-2014 04:06:55; decimation: and this one. http://www.vox.com/2014/9/15/6131919/democrats-and-republicans-really-are-different "And they note that while voters tend to agree with Republicans on the philosophical questions in American politics (should government be smaller?) they tend to agree with Democrats on the policy questions in American politics (like should Social Security be smaller?)."

07:34:10 undata: the ideology of both parties is selling the US out to whoever has paid them

07:34:14 mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, underpins all winner-loser scenarios on the broader timescale in all politcal systems to date.

07:34:31 mircea_popescu: the losers are "principled" and the winners are distributing largesse out of the public goods.

07:34:39 mircea_popescu: because an election still is an advance auction of stolen goods.

07:35:08 mircea_popescu: so you know, either the redheaded or the brunette is busy squealing, while the other's sitting in a corner thinking of jesus and sin.

07:36:00 mircea_popescu: and for that matter : in the 70s ? dude totally the voter agreed "philosophically" with the progressives.

07:36:05 mircea_popescu: just didn't vote with 'em.

07:36:57 undata: yep, things like "o no abortion" on the "right" are just marketing

07:39:54 undata: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/11/10/voter-turnout-in-2014-was-the-lowest-since-wwii/

07:39:55 assbot: Voter turnout in 2014 was the lowest since WWII - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1rIW6r1 )

07:40:19 undata: though the marketing is getting less effective, it seems

07:40:39 undata: whether that's an opportunity for something better to come along is questionable imo, and goes back to the "can't think" problem

07:40:44 decimation: there's a point to this (the idea that the losing party claims 'philosophic victory'). but there's a long tradition of 'old republicans' predicting doom which more-or-less came true

07:42:05 decimation: undata: abortion is a complex issue that ends up being used as a wedge on both sides

07:42:32 undata: the "paleo-conservative" thing seems to be on the way out with my grandfather's generation

07:42:43 undata: he was involved with the "american party" back in the day

07:44:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.10000785 = 4.0003 BTC [-] {4}

07:45:18 decimation: perhaps it is dying (or dead) - but to me that means the idea of 'america' as anything more than a pile of spoils to be divided is dead

07:45:25 undata: certainly

07:46:10 undata: even the "right" is way too socialist to advocate "american capitalism", if there ever was such a thing

07:47:25 decimation: agreed. There was a time when this wasn't the case, but those guys are nearly all dead now

07:48:15 decimation: or they are marginalized

07:49:40 undata: my grandfather (who I admire) was largely ignored in the 70s

07:50:03 undata: forget trying to get people excited about free markets today

07:51:06 undata: hell to most of the people alive, that's the rational position to take

07:51:13 undata: if they had to compete, they'd lose

07:52:19 decimation: 'american capitalism' did exist, in the sense that a little over 100 years ago, people used gold coins (or receipts for the same) and private bank notes

07:54:01 decimation: in retrospect the seeds of of ruin were already sown - but that time existed

08:00:12 undata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT0uaZ5Ymeo

08:00:13 assbot: SWAT Police Caught Setting Fires In Ferguson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1rIXwBD )

08:00:16 undata: hmmmm

08:02:36 undata: video isn't terribly convincing

08:03:45 decimation: apparently the 'oath keepers' showed up to provide security and were told to leave after 'media inquiries' http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_f90b6edd-acf8-52e3-a020-3a78db286194.html

08:03:46 assbot: Police shut down mysterious 'Oath Keepers' guarding rooftops in downtown Ferguson : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1v6acb6 )

08:07:26 undata: interesting, I wonder what that group will evolve into

08:08:12 ben_vulpes: undata: did you hear about the part where the "protesters" briefly endeavored to get up on the highway and were chivvied similarly politely back onto the surface roads by the 5-0?

08:08:24 ben_vulpes: lulziest part of the whole action in this area

08:09:02 ben_vulpes: and yet plain wrappers stopping traffic on burnside for no discernible reason; idling in SWAT gear on grand

08:10:45 undata: these kids... a "demonstration" as a fucking social-signaling ritual

08:10:58 undata: now the cops, they sound like they actually demonstrated something

08:11:37 decimation: well, the aging hippies who run usg like to see a few protest-arrests on a resume

08:11:50 mats_cd03: b-but think of the instagram and snapchat pics

08:11:56 ben_vulpes: i'm sure it was a good time for all involved. joints, flasks, conversation that all agreed on important topics...

08:12:11 mircea_popescu: <decimation> there's a point to this (the idea that the losing party claims 'philosophic victory'). but there's a long tradition of 'old republicans' predicting doom which more-or-less came true << same for the left.

08:12:47 mircea_popescu: predicted doom can always be satisfactorily claimed to have come true, which is why it's been a favourite sport all along

08:13:23 decimation: yeah, for instance chomsky et.al.

08:14:13 mircea_popescu: <decimation> undata: abortion is a complex issue that ends up being used as a wedge on both sides << abortion is only "complex" because it is undefined. the actualy issue is, who owns the woman. if the husband owns the wife "abortion" is no problem. if the wife owns the husband, idem. nonsensical "middle of the road" dualities that can't stand, where the wife is really a husband all by herself, except not really are ne

08:14:14 mircea_popescu: cessarily "complex"

08:14:16 ben_vulpes: https://blog.pinboard.in/2012/01/the_five_stages_of_hosting/

08:14:17 assbot: The Five Stages of Hosting (Pinboard Blog) ... ( http://bit.ly/1v6bt1I )

08:14:18 mircea_popescu: could as well say nonsensical.

08:15:29 decimation: well, that doesn't settle the issue of whether abortion is moral, but it certainly extinguishes "but it's a woman's right!" argument

08:15:59 mircea_popescu: it makes the "abortion is moral" debate what it belongs being : a moot question.

08:16:12 mircea_popescu: societies where husbands own the wife are always in a dire shortage of men

08:16:20 mircea_popescu: and so abortion is generally impractical.

08:16:57 decimation: wasn't this pretty much settled law everywhere in europe before 1800?

08:17:19 decimation: I mean the husband owning the wife

08:18:11 mircea_popescu: yes.

08:18:21 mircea_popescu: well, it's settled law to this day pretty much everywhere.

08:18:41 mircea_popescu: there's a few jurisdictions scattered around counting a few hundred million souls that are trying an experiment on the topic currently

08:18:44 mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to be going too well.

08:19:31 mircea_popescu: undata> hell to most of the people alive, that's the rational position to take >> quite.

08:19:50 mircea_popescu: the only thing here is that the opinions of the idjits don't actually count tho.

08:21:53 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> i'm sure it was a good time for all involved. joints, flasks, conversation that all agreed on important topics... << notice what the cocktail party of the 70s has turned into.

08:22:00 mircea_popescu: a camping trip in the ghetto sprawl.

08:22:07 mircea_popescu: MUCH CHEAPER nao!

08:22:23 ben_vulpes: a nice cocktail party's expensive!

08:22:29 ben_vulpes: stott with me, if you'd be so kind.

08:22:47 mircea_popescu: because socialism always moves on to the cheaper alternative, this being the true definition of progress. "where your dad had crystal glasses and imported liqueurs, you now get asphalt under the elements and a half-dung joint"

08:22:47 decimation: where one carefully condemns the horrible behavior of white cops while studiously ignoring the horrible behavior of black 'civilians'


08:23:07 mircea_popescu: quite/

08:23:33 mircea_popescu: where was that exceptional piece of bad writing, brb

08:23:42 ben_vulpes: subject of crystal, i was washing one out this evening and it struck me how fragile all of civilization is. take that glass - wash it in water too warm or too hot or switch the temperature too abruptly and the thing will whine and fall apart in your hands.

08:24:02 mircea_popescu: you ever had proper lead crystal ?

08:24:10 mircea_popescu: (aka bohemian glass, aka "swarowksy" these days)

08:24:17 mircea_popescu: that thing's so solid it's a fucking murder weapon.

08:24:19 ben_vulpes: the windows in the house i grew up

08:24:27 ben_vulpes: in the house in which i grew up were*

08:24:35 punkman: I got a set or two, they usually survive small falls

08:24:38 mircea_popescu: aha found it!

08:24:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.tuckermax.com/stories/tucker-goes-to-campout-owns-duke-nerds/ << this was a decade or so ago.

08:24:46 assbot: Tucker Goes to Campout, Owns Duke Nerds « TuckerMax.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1v6cln6 )

08:24:47 ben_vulpes: doesn't lead crystal risk dosing the users with lead?

08:24:52 punkman: no

08:24:52 mircea_popescu: nah.

08:25:06 *: ben_vulpes is ignorant of all the finer things in life

08:25:29 decimation: 'mericans only have time to make money, not enjoy it

08:25:31 ben_vulpes: hey so punkman you need a vps or what?

08:25:48 ben_vulpes: ddos resistance iirc?

08:26:05 punkman: need to write new code, got time to work on it today

08:26:19 punkman: but if you wanna setup secure box for the IRC bot part, that'd be welcome

08:26:29 punkman: I'll split up the web part

08:26:36 ben_vulpes: i ain't setting anything up but i can spin you up an aws box of your own

08:27:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00035831 = 25.6908 BTC [+] {3}

08:29:16 decimation: ben_vulpes: did you try one of those 'vultr' vpses?

08:29:22 punkman: nah, I'll put it on my DO account so I don't have to bother anyone

08:29:51 decimation: well, it seems like the ddoser has taught us that aws is pretty solid

08:30:35 ben_vulpes: decimation: nope. bezzle hosting gets paid for with bezzlebux.

08:30:50 ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off for the night.

08:30:54 decimation: 'night!

08:43:55 mircea_popescu: "[3] Peter Thiel would point out that successful founders still get rich from controlling monopolies, just monopolies they create rather than ones they capture. And while this is largely true, it means a big change in the sort of person who wins."

08:44:07 mircea_popescu: ahahaha this is the lulziest bit of the entire senile-graham wankfest.

08:44:19 mircea_popescu: so wait, the "gilded age financiers" DIDNT create the railroad monopolies ?

08:44:53 mircea_popescu: jesus the sort of brainrot. see kids, i have another reason to crack down on socialism, and an additional argument to use when I do : socialism makes you stupid.

08:45:20 mircea_popescu: it takes a graham as he was in the 80s and produces the barely cognizant empty shell that will make junior-high level errors in his ill thought out essays.

08:45:50 mircea_popescu: it takes astute practical thinkers like the buffett of the 70s and turns them into "i believe in america and carbon tax credits!" sort of al gore marionette.

08:45:56 mircea_popescu: a sickening display.

08:52:08 mircea_popescu: "I think you make an excellent point, but all these cases are examples of guys who got a seat on a rocket and were pretty ruthless about who else got to ride."

08:52:18 mircea_popescu: it's a rocket, don't you know.

08:52:51 mircea_popescu: and if you make a business, you didn't make that business. and really the political problems of the us are whether black dudes pee correctly and how someone drew a cartoon character's tits.

08:53:22 mircea_popescu: in no case anything like "an immense horde of absolutely nil idiots expect everyone to believe the world exists to serve them"

09:06:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00126 = 1.26 BTC [+]

09:15:09 cazalla: well, the moneybookers tweet fooled at least one news site http://newsbtc.com/2014/11/26/skrill-fuels-speculation-bitcoin-tweet/

09:15:11 assbot: Skrill Fuels Speculation With Bitcoin Tweet | NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1HOzShr )

09:16:51 mircea_popescu: lawl

09:22:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.1 = 4.7 BTC [+]

09:32:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77900 @ 0.00035223 = 27.4387 BTC [-] {2}

10:10:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00035104 = 17.1659 BTC [-] {3}

10:49:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.0003504 = 20.5685 BTC [-]

11:37:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5661 @ 0.00035472 = 2.0081 BTC [+]

11:47:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 999 @ 0.00127 = 1.2687 BTC [+] {4}

12:33:55 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/minigame-smg-november-2014-statement/ << pretty major, includes sneak peaks into flora/fauna and loads of other stuff.

12:33:56 assbot: MiniGame (S.MG), November 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vC3g3Z )

12:50:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82225 @ 0.00035472 = 29.1669 BTC [+]

14:14:27 PinkPosixPXE: ;;later tell mod6 slimmed down and updated :) see comments about modifications, or viewing with a 4char indent. Tested 5 times or so, worked great. Let me konw if you need anything fixed tomorrow! https://gist.github.com/thelinuxgirl/0b5666d0bc889cc04648

14:14:28 assbot: Prune BTC Manifests between sources ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3fjbS )

14:14:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:31:27 mircea_popescu: https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/4071027 :D

14:31:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3gJ6a )

14:31:36 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE you ever seen best in show ?

14:36:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.09119508 = 3.6478 BTC [-] {4}

14:40:20 PinkPosixPXE: huh, no.. any good? watching trailer now

14:40:35 PinkPosixPXE: oh the dog competition hehe

14:40:51 PinkPosixPXE: oh wait..

14:40:58 PinkPosixPXE: these are awesome comedians

14:41:39 PinkPosixPXE: actually, haha, I think I have seen this, wow, I have to watch this again

14:42:30 PinkPosixPXE: perhaps with my friends come over tonight to have treats, cider, and hang out by the fire/watch something, I will throw this on :)

14:42:35 PinkPosixPXE: s/with/when

14:45:22 PinkPosixPXE: Harland Pepper.. naming nuts

14:45:26 PinkPosixPXE: hahaha

14:45:30 PinkPosixPXE: good stuff

14:50:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 912 @ 0.00127 = 1.1582 BTC [+]

15:04:21 mod6: ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE check PM

15:04:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:05:46 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE your avatar sorta made me think of it.

15:05:51 mircea_popescu: kinda campy dogshow movie.

15:06:10 mircea_popescu: also... priscilla queen of the desert ? :D

15:08:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 985 @ 0.00125055 = 1.2318 BTC [-] {6}

15:09:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2315 @ 0.00124421 = 2.8803 BTC [-] {9}

15:10:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2812 @ 0.00124126 = 3.4904 BTC [-] {12}

15:14:37 mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << can i get a TA opinion kthx.

15:14:38 assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1rHwpfX )

15:22:37 PinkPosixPXE: haha mircea_popescu, yea, me and my little dog

15:23:02 PinkPosixPXE: he's tiny, if i tried to jog him around a track he'd be exhausted 1/4 of the way through

15:23:36 mircea_popescu: lol

15:25:34 PinkPosixPXE: The stats look great, for a nice straight forward numerical trending display

15:29:30 kakobrekla: can i get a TA opinion kthx. < new year is close.

15:30:54 mircea_popescu: no but with dojis and things

15:32:49 kakobrekla: ok

15:32:56 kakobrekla: dojis and things are close.

15:37:09 mircea_popescu: lol

15:38:17 mircea_popescu: "picle de jengibre"

15:38:24 mircea_popescu: holy fucking shit spanish speakers can't write.

15:39:39 kakobrekla: btw theres a shorhand domain for ba stuff now, http://l.b-a.link , http://s.b-a.link and so on

15:39:41 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGGBWQ )

15:39:42 assbot: Search the #bitcoin-assets log

15:45:15 mircea_popescu: ha!

15:45:40 mircea_popescu: how much are .link domains ?

15:46:05 kakobrekla: sub 10bux

15:46:30 mircea_popescu: myeah with all the new tlds i expect per domain registration to drop around $1

15:46:42 kakobrekla: nah it wont

15:46:58 kakobrekla: even at 10-20 they pick up a lot of them to squat on

15:47:13 kakobrekla: endless chumpatron

15:47:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10346 @ 0.00035981 = 3.7226 BTC [+]

15:47:44 mircea_popescu: http://domainnamewire.com/2014/04/15/register-new-tld/ << "domainers" waking up to the idea.

15:47:46 assbot: I finally registered a new TLD. Here is the (long) story. | Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News & Views ... ( http://bit.ly/129sltw )

15:47:56 mircea_popescu: nobody is ever going to give a shit about a domain name enough to pay for it.

15:48:44 mircea_popescu: "Still, with a small $10 registration fee, and the fact that I need fodder for this blog, I decided to venture out and try my luck with .link. Of the 11 I found available, I decided that only six were really worth the gamble."

15:48:59 mircea_popescu: imagine that, evaluating risks 10 bux at a time/

15:49:07 kakobrekla: there wasnt much choice left for "b-a"

15:49:28 mircea_popescu: sure.

15:49:31 PinkPosixPXE: twitter handles are becoming the new domain names to 'camp' on and resell

15:50:15 kakobrekla: b-a.ba taken

15:50:15 PinkPosixPXE: makes me wonder if I should start registering a few

15:51:04 kakobrekla: interestingly, 'bitcoin-assets' non .com tlds got squated a week after i registered .com

15:51:12 kakobrekla: 'bitcoinassets' a bit later.

15:51:18 mircea_popescu: people were doing that on myspace, coupla years or so before it ended

15:52:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what if we end up moving off freenode ?

15:52:49 PinkPosixPXE: could condense it to 3 chars each, bit-ass

15:52:56 PinkPosixPXE: ;P

15:54:04 kakobrekla: what about it? irc.ba also taken.

15:55:34 kakobrekla: bitcoin-otc shorthand domains is b-otc right? so we could go with b-ass which is pronounced 'bias'

15:55:40 mircea_popescu: how about Барак-Хуйсейнович.ba ?

15:55:51 PinkPosixPXE: irc.b-a.link would probably be acceptable, subdomain it. unless you don't want to for some reason.

15:57:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, fuck.link would be a decent dating site domain.

15:57:45 mircea_popescu: "We now accept TopCoin" what the shit is a topcoin

15:57:52 mircea_popescu: ;;google We now accept TopCoin

15:57:53 PinkPosixPXE: yea, could be worth camping even

15:57:55 gribble: Uniregistry Now Accepting Topcoin | DomainInvesting.com: http://www.domaininvesting.com/uniregistry-now-accepting-topcoin/; PayPal, TopCoin & New Extensions at Uniregistry! | Domain Name ...: http://www.abdulbasit.com/domaining/paypal-topcoin-new-extensions-at-uniregistry; TopCoin - FAQ | Uniregistry: https://uniregistry.com/topcoin-faq

15:58:58 kakobrekla: yes topcoin. some fake crypto currency pegged (?) to a dollar at some registrars. they give it away for free.

15:59:08 kakobrekla: to a dollar = to 1 dollar

15:59:10 PinkPosixPXE: another altcoin it seems.. 'top' as in 'top level domain/tld' is my guess ? hrm

15:59:35 *: kakobrekla got topcoin when he bought b-a.link lel.

15:59:38 mircea_popescu: lmao so what exactly is going on in the brain of the link people ?

15:59:49 kakobrekla: no it doesnt have to do with .link

15:59:51 mircea_popescu: o wait, it's like a coupon program.

15:59:52 mircea_popescu: i see.

16:00:22 kakobrekla: Why Offer Topcoin Instead Of A Rebate Or Coupon Code?

16:00:22 kakobrekla: As More New GTLDs Launch & The Marketplace Gets More Competitive, Registries Increasingly Will Turn To Promotional Discounts And Registrar Rebate Programs To Sell More Domain Names. The Problem With Discounts Is That They Devalue Your String, And The Problem With Rebates Is They Often Are Not Passed On To Registrants.

16:00:37 kakobrekla: why caps every letter, i dunno.

16:00:51 kakobrekla: every first letter

16:00:54 PinkPosixPXE: Serious Business

16:01:50 kakobrekla: anywho i got those from uniregistry registrar

16:01:59 kakobrekla: i like their no bs backend interface

16:02:08 kakobrekla: so i kinda gave them a pass on this topcoin bs

16:02:35 mircea_popescu: right.

16:09:46 mircea_popescu: !up ahmed_

16:09:52 ahmed_: ty

16:09:58 mircea_popescu: so some french footballer was attacked with a knife by his ex.

16:10:05 mircea_popescu: http://critdick.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/03/Nabilla-Benattia-nude.jpg << this chick.

16:10:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/129uXrp )

16:10:48 mircea_popescu: she carved him a new set of gills, yet guy won't file a complaint.

16:21:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58815 @ 0.00035779 = 21.0434 BTC [-] {3}

16:34:57 adlai: josh garza's previous scam: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/canaan-vt/THJFBNV4MIFIR075C

16:35:00 assbot: Great Auk Wireless is A RIP OFF - Topix ... ( http://bit.ly/129xZMf )

16:35:17 adlai: and today we learned the origin of his current scam's name!

16:38:27 mircea_popescu: ha ?!

16:40:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68086 @ 0.00035435 = 24.1263 BTC [-] {2}

17:25:57 adlai: what about spritz? http://www.spritzinc.com/ anything interesting come of this yet?

17:25:58 assbot: Spritz ... ( http://bit.ly/129H87l )

17:26:44 *: adlai is too far from the UI world to do anything on this front, but it's a cool idea

17:29:36 adlai: here we fucking go! http://www.readsy.co/

17:29:36 assbot: Readsy ... ( http://bit.ly/129HwCY )

17:33:17 adlai: http://www.readsy.co/spritzy/communicating-sequential-processes.pdf

17:33:44 adlai: last one done's a rotten egg!

17:36:27 kakobrekla: meh

17:37:13 kakobrekla: cant skim with this ?

17:37:33 adlai: nope

17:38:14 adlai: it's far from ideal, but I can imagine much better ways of integrating the "spritz" window with a wider view of the text (or an outline)

17:38:16 kakobrekla: few people produce texts worth more than that

17:38:59 *: kakobrekla is certainly not one of them

17:39:03 kakobrekla: hehe

17:39:04 adlai: putting it on a ridiculously high WPM is quite similar to skimming

17:39:08 kakobrekla: dont read this.

17:39:43 adlai: this = CSP? it's a little dense book, been needing an excuse to read it for a while...

17:40:05 kakobrekla: no, this: http://l.b-a.link/?date=30-11-2014#938713

17:40:05 assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 17:39:08; kakobrekla: dont read this.

17:41:01 adlai: http://l.b-a.link/?date=30-11-2014#938717 <- don't click this

17:41:01 assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 17:41:01; adlai: http://l.b-a.link/?date=30-11-2014#938717 <- don't click this

17:41:06 adlai: damnit assbot

17:44:08 adlai: it's also a little nefarious that they want registration for any speed outside their narrow little free zone

17:44:58 kakobrekla: wait what they want you to pay?

17:45:01 *: adlai wouldn't pay for any such technology that couldn't cope with figures in the text

17:45:04 kakobrekla: isnt that thing trivial?

17:45:13 adlai: they have free accounts but you need to register

17:46:40 adlai: "If you’re looking to implement our patented technology into your website, application, mobile app, ..."

17:48:34 kakobrekla: heh

17:48:58 kakobrekla: so patent squatters ?

17:50:26 adlai: "squatters" may not apply when the troll in question also collected the tinder and set the kindling himself, but they do seem quite set on artificially limiting the values for a single parameter in clientside code

18:20:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96450 @ 0.00035025 = 33.7816 BTC [-] {2}

18:54:39 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla mircea_popescu: i had to rebuild my 0.5.3 chain from scratch, but your(pl.) DB_CONFIG tip freed my vanila 0.5.3 build to unwedge progress to 254471 as of this morning (ping: asciilifeform, mod6)

18:55:05 kakobrekla: :)

18:58:02 *: kakobrekla suspects you do not have to go fron scratch - when i got stuck and added the settings it looked pretty bleak for some time, but after some hours and a restart the thing jumped.

18:59:04 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/l/W0/WiQ9l3g/bitcoindblocks-month.png

18:59:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxy1cx )

18:59:17 kakobrekla: see stuck + jump

18:59:19 kakobrekla: idk

19:04:17 ben_vulpes: mebbe i'm just impatient or on shoddy hardware

19:04:50 ben_vulpes: but i restarted it a few times and waited a few days to no avail

19:05:04 kakobrekla: im doing this on a vps instance with 512 mb ram, cpulimit @ 5% and killing & restarting the thing every 6 or so hours

19:05:58 *: ben_vulpes makes a face of unknowingness

19:06:26 kakobrekla: well i have a copy of the chan at 200k

19:06:31 kakobrekla: so we can redo experiments

19:07:37 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/43/z7/41YnTAAQ/cpu-day.png

19:07:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxz6B3 )

19:07:46 kakobrekla: capped at 5 or so

19:07:48 ben_vulpes: i've got one at 251442 :p

19:08:00 kakobrekla: what is that gap you ask?

19:08:02 ben_vulpes: well that is interesting

19:08:25 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/3i/T9/4XeQxxx3/memory-day.png

19:08:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxzek5 )

19:08:29 ben_vulpes: off the cuff, cpu trying to get a lock at 252450

19:08:34 kakobrekla: ran out of memory before autorestart

19:09:39 kakobrekla: weekly http://shrani.si/f/2K/87/3Qfge7El/memory-week.png

19:09:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxzq2O )

19:09:46 kakobrekla: wait one more

19:10:35 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/3U/Q9/ZX1NXBL/memory-month.png < the spike is the wedge

19:10:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxzyzq )

19:10:51 nubbins`: hi

19:11:41 ben_vulpes: morning, nubbins`

19:13:32 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

19:13:33 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.25, Best ask: 376.25, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 376.25, 24 hour volume: 3606.92762642, 24 hour low: 373.37, 24 hour high: 381.99, 24 hour vwap: 376.136078914

19:13:59 ben_vulpes: !t m s.mpoe

19:13:59 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00035014 / 0.00035569 / 0.00036273 (1240852 shares, 441.36 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00038196 / 0.00046844 (8786401 shares, 3,356.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00049581 / 0.00086038 (25973035 shares, 12,877.75 BTC)

19:14:01 nubbins`: had our art sale yest

19:16:58 BingoBoingo: http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf

19:16:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxAqE0 )

19:19:15 kakobrekla: that pdf is very close to breaching 'readsy' patent no?

19:20:54 mike_c: kakobrekla, any chance I got de-whitelisted from bitbet? I've been failing every hourly update since..

19:20:54 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

19:21:14 mike_c: 14 hours ago?

19:21:32 kakobrekla: whut?

19:21:57 kakobrekla: no ban that is placed lasts more than 1h

19:22:21 mike_c: right, but if you ban me every hour.

19:22:40 kakobrekla: hm this cant be right lemme see

19:24:47 nubbins`: http://patrick-canning-ppkq.squarespace.com/birdsofnewfoundland/birds-of-newfoundland

19:24:48 assbot: Birds Of Newfoundland — PATRICK THOMAS CANNING ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxBwjg )

19:25:01 nubbins`: if anyone's looking for an xmas gift that probably won't get to you by the 25th

19:46:17 kakobrekla: i decided ill equip the bitcoin newbs with trezors for new years gifts

19:49:26 mike_c: ;;seen asciilifeform

19:49:28 gribble: asciilifeform was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i never understood the 'happy hacking keyboard' and imitators. being as i live and die by function keys, the more the merrier. why voluntarily have fewer?

20:06:27 adlai: so there's also http://readsy.net/ "inspired by Spritz before developers could sign up" but it's a little rough around the edges

20:06:28 assbot: Readsy ... ( http://bit.ly/1y06TPE )

20:06:52 *: adlai wonders whether readsy.co and readsy.net know of eachother

20:07:29 adlai: we're running out of these webby names

20:23:48 nubbins`: i know you guys generally aren't into ephemera

20:23:56 nubbins`: but FYI, i'm negotiating a price with a buyer now for my genesis block newspaper (the times jan 3 2009)

20:24:04 nubbins`: if anyone wanted to extend an offer, now'd be the time

20:27:28 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/shiptoship/

20:27:29 assbot: Ship to ship ... ( http://bit.ly/1y09t8p )

20:27:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00035436 = 26.6833 BTC [+]

20:29:31 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i'm a bit surprised you're not holding onto it for another decade

20:29:50 nubbins`: i don't really want to have to care for it

20:30:17 nubbins`: it's been sitting on a piano bench in the box i received it in for a few months now because there's nowhere for it to go

20:30:39 nubbins`: anyway, if YOU wanna hold onto it for a decade...

20:31:27 ben_vulpes: nuh uh

20:31:35 ben_vulpes: i don't have any truck with atoms any more

20:31:43 ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/3NZH6SH << CI doing it's thing

20:31:44 assbot: dpaste: 3NZH6SH ... ( http://bit.ly/1y0a75M )

20:31:45 ben_vulpes: its*

20:34:59 punkman: can you trezor without the web2.0?

20:36:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wd!

20:37:52 ben_vulpes: let's be clear tho - that's a failing build, and i've not backported any of the tests yet.

20:38:56 ben_vulpes: i explained to the business partner last night why the full test loop could be as long as two weeks

20:38:59 ben_vulpes: he facepalmed hard

20:39:39 mircea_popescu: nice kakographs

20:41:59 mircea_popescu: <adlai> we're running out of these webby names << yeah, too hard to keepy addy y to namseys

20:45:53 kakobrekla: punkman im quoting here > You can use the python tools to do anything with the Trezor, but there's no user interface for (most of) it currently.

20:49:20 kakobrekla: just ordered 6 of them, will see how this goes.

20:53:19 kakobrekla: !s Ledger Wallet

20:53:19 assbot: 0 results for 'Ledger Wallet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Ledger+Wallet

20:53:31 kakobrekla: !s ledgerwallet

20:53:32 assbot: 0 results for 'ledgerwallet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ledgerwallet

20:53:47 kakobrekla: well here it is https://www.ledgerwallet.com

20:53:48 assbot: Ledger Wallet - Smartcard based hardware Bitcoin wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5hcFZ )

20:57:44 kakobrekla: The seed is generated at initialization time on the computer. Isn't that unsecure?

20:57:44 kakobrekla: It is actually the only security weakness of a Ledger Wallet. It is very important to initialize your wallet on a secure computer.

20:57:45 kakobrekla: aha

20:58:15 mircea_popescu: uh.

20:58:49 mircea_popescu: "this is actually the only cockroach in this soup".

21:00:55 cazalla: adlai: josh garza's previous scam: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/canaan-vt/THJFBNV4MIFIR075C <<< the guy tells lies faster than anyone on this planet can fact check, not worthwhile pursuing, it's easy to punch holes in his gawminer shit, i'm sure some other scammers will soon come to collect his scammed funds

21:00:58 assbot: Great Auk Wireless is A RIP OFF - Topix ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5hRal )

21:02:18 cazalla: having said that, here is a list of domains tied to him http://dpaste.com/1NGR0AZ

21:02:19 assbot: dpaste: 1NGR0AZ ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5hZ9L )

21:02:45 cazalla: given total lack of news this weekend, not much else to do but dig this morning

21:03:36 kakobrekla: fiat scammers coming to bitcoin ... is getting boring

21:04:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00035956 = 3.9192 BTC [+]

21:04:43 kakobrekla: not to discourage you from publishing

21:15:58 cazalla: his wife is not so bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El-cl2d6yys and he was nice enough to shop around for a tummy tuck and titty job for her

21:15:59 assbot: Cornerstone Life Group 9 Summary - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y0gdDj )

21:17:44 ben_vulpes: tummy tuck?

21:18:11 ben_vulpes: "girl, go run around the block 5 times and skip the cake this christmas."

21:18:53 cazalla: ben_vulpes, ya check it http://www.yelp.com.au/user_details?userid=53xyObUd9EVv3EoTzORuvg he deleted the same review off google plus

21:18:55 assbot: Josh G.'s Reviews | East Longmeadow | Yelp ... ( http://bit.ly/1y0gqX0 )

21:19:26 kakobrekla: i looked at that yt and i dont understand what did i just see

21:19:54 cazalla: kakobrekla, he is/was into the church scam

21:20:14 kakobrekla: eh? everyone knows church is scam no?

21:20:58 ben_vulpes: cazalla: what particular church scam?

21:21:07 cazalla: yes but typical scammer often attends church as to appear pious and incapable of being a scammer because.. jesus

21:21:33 cazalla: ben_vulpes, as in the above, not that he scammed the church itself

21:21:37 kakobrekla: cheaper and fake indulgences?

21:22:01 ben_vulpes: is life group 9 some new kind of jeezo scam?

21:23:58 adlai: everybody needs to get their thetans back in line sometimes

21:30:13 ben_vulpes: "here, hold these electrodes."

21:34:15 ben_vulpes: UGH

21:35:25 ben_vulpes: (compilation in different environments is hell. HELL I SAY. especially this warty cpp.)

21:39:16 ben_vulpes: oh ha ha

21:39:25 ben_vulpes: so funny

21:39:41 ben_vulpes: empty dirs not committed to vcs -> build failure

21:49:49 ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/14SES2R << trivial progress

21:49:51 assbot: dpaste: 14SES2R: initial successful jenkins build of bitcoin, by bvu ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5mwJp )

21:55:08 mod6: great work ben_vulpes

21:57:14 ben_vulpes: i just plug the tubes together

21:57:21 ben_vulpes: no big

21:57:30 ben_vulpes: it would be cool if assbot could watch the jenkins rss

22:01:35 mircea_popescu: nothing up here but trees and bears, no jobs, no high speed internet to speak of, can't even get decent cell service up here. Though for the day! Having my own t-3 pipe put in, and then I can offer real high speed internet. This is not the place to live if you are a high end gamer......... << lol real german angry kid up there.

22:06:41 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes shit, remember pipes ?!

22:07:08 mircea_popescu: ;;google pipe mania ms dos

22:07:09 gribble: Pipe Mania (MS-DOS) - Gameplay - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpqzX6iW7qk; Pipe Mania download | BestOldGames.net: http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/pipe-mania.php; Pipe Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_Mania

22:13:57 ben_vulpes: lol no not specifically - probably before my time. but i've played derivatives i think

22:15:07 mircea_popescu: it was a great game plagued by the generic name

22:15:12 mircea_popescu: if only they called it "supaplex" or something

22:21:16 ben_vulpes: ;;rated PinkPosixPXE

22:21:16 gribble: You have not yet rated user PinkPosixPXE

22:21:48 ben_vulpes: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 foundation supporter par excellence

22:21:49 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.

22:23:17 kakobrekla: and to think mp almost kicked her out!

22:23:55 ben_vulpes: lolrly?

22:28:58 kakobrekla: yea, i guess sarcasm doesnt always travel well over irc.

22:30:56 kakobrekla: anyway still waiting for you to spit out the format for builds notifications

22:44:23 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/us-supreme-court-to-hear-oral-arguments-in-speech-case/

22:44:23 assbot: US Supreme Court to Hear Oral Arguments in Speech Case | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5rtlx )

22:52:36 jurov: http://btc.yt/ << i have only now remembered i squatted this year ago

22:52:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1rKjOmL )

22:53:13 jurov: better than "therealbitcoin" at any rate

22:55:47 kakobrekla: git rep link = 404

22:56:08 ben_vulpes: what git repo?

22:56:23 kakobrekla: >Adlai maintains a git repository of merged patches

22:56:26 ben_vulpes: oh adlai's

22:56:38 ben_vulpes: mwell then

22:56:50 adlai: oh I deleted that since it seemed there was no interest in using it

22:56:55 kakobrekla: i think adlai removed it after asciis bitching

22:57:03 kakobrekla: see.

22:57:03 ben_vulpes: lol w/e

22:57:08 ben_vulpes: more html for me to derp on

22:59:09 kakobrekla: these lisp guys ... 'nobody submited a patch in 4 and a half minuts...!' and 'only one download first day' is 'project dead dood'

23:01:08 mircea_popescu: lmao

23:01:14 ben_vulpes: who is this?

23:01:52 mircea_popescu: lol noicew one jurov

23:02:02 kakobrekla: ben_vulpes a&a

23:03:12 ben_vulpes: ah lol yeah those guise

23:04:51 *: ben_vulpes orders foamed wheat and corn product for delivery so that he can stay at the computer

23:05:50 kakobrekla: and the foundations 10btc should be spent on japanese toilets

23:07:29 mircea_popescu: lol

23:07:38 mircea_popescu: the sort that lick you after ?

23:08:35 kakobrekla: the least

23:11:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93774 @ 0.00036277 = 34.0184 BTC [+] {3}

23:18:24 adlai: kakobrekla: well there was some active opposition to using vcs for this project

23:19:11 adlai: considering the reasons behind this opposition, and a bit of research, led me to the conclusion that darcs should be used for this, or no vcs, but probably not git

23:20:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50948 @ 0.00035647 = 18.1614 BTC [-] {3}

23:21:02 ben_vulpes: fossil would be cool

23:22:02 ben_vulpes: adlai: vcs can be used for collaboration and the cooking up of patches, but the publically distributed stuff's gotta be a vanilla source tree and patches.

23:22:14 ben_vulpes: (i think)

23:22:29 adlai: if there's interest in using a git repo for this, I still have the git repo locally

23:22:59 ben_vulpes: i appreciate it, but don't worry about it.

23:22:59 adlai: although it has the patches in the wrong order so to do it properly would require starting from scratch anyways

23:23:08 *: ben_vulpes nods

23:23:18 *: adlai throws the first version away, anyways.

23:24:26 kakobrekla: gold suffering again https://charts.mql5.com/6/360/xauusd-d1-worth-ltd-venetfx.png

23:24:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tC2AYv )

23:28:16 adlai: is there some name for that last candle?

23:29:10 kakobrekla: you mean the gap?

23:29:14 adlai: opening below the last low, not even making it up

23:29:16 adlai: yes

23:29:24 kakobrekla: idk i call it a gap :)

23:29:48 kakobrekla: the consequence of market closing over weekend

23:29:50 adlai: having been led into the wonderful world of finance from bitcoin, it's funny to see markets that don't trade 24/7

23:29:58 kakobrekla: mhm

23:30:07 adlai: closing over the weekend is one thing... closing EVERY NIGHT!? crazy

23:30:43 adlai: what am I supposed to do if I wake up in a cold sweat at 3am and want to get rid of all my TSLA?

23:30:53 kakobrekla: so archaic

23:31:32 adlai: speaking of markets that close over the weekend, what's the status on that less-painful API for bit4x?

23:31:50 mike_c: the swiss scammed gold?

23:31:53 mike_c: pump and dump

23:34:09 kakobrekla: !up tandacoin

23:36:19 tandacoin: hello I would like to write for qntra

23:36:30 kakobrekla: o hey

23:36:32 tandacoin: how do i sign up

23:37:18 tandacoin: i have read logs of bitcoin assets but i'm not sure how to get word of trust

23:37:44 kakobrekla: ping cazalla BingoBoingo

23:38:09 kakobrekla: talk to one of those two people or mircea of he shows up

23:38:32 cazalla: tandacoin, stick around, i need to finish current article and then head off to a pokemon meetup, speak to BingoBoingo if you cannot wait (if he is around)

23:38:54 tandacoin: cazalla: ok ill wait than you

23:39:13 kakobrekla: pokemon meetup?

23:39:21 ben_vulpes: pokemon meetup?

23:39:45 adlai: tandacoin: it's a web, not word: http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/

23:39:46 assbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9XBpx )

23:39:47 tandacoin: I am the writer for altcoinpress.com

23:41:03 kakobrekla: yes also http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

23:41:04 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9XIRU )

23:42:18 tandacoin: Ok I will work on that

23:42:36 tandacoin: How much did coinroll pay to advertise on qntra

23:42:38 tandacoin: that will be paid as dividends?

23:43:12 kakobrekla: !s qntra coinroll

23:43:13 assbot: 0 results for 'qntra coinroll' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=qntra+coinroll

23:43:17 kakobrekla: bua

23:45:58 kakobrekla: anyway get nickserv + cloak set first

23:46:39 tandacoin: can i write in greek

23:46:48 tandacoin: or english only

23:47:01 tandacoin: my english isnt good

23:47:02 kakobrekla: for qntra related questions wait for some q people

23:49:09 cazalla: tandacoin, that'll be included in november's report

23:49:42 cazalla: kakobrekla, ben_vulpes, nintendo are holding some pokemon event today, so i gotta go get the eon ticket or i won't be able to catch 'em all

23:49:50 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/ato-submission-to-economics-references-committee-now-available/

23:49:51 assbot: ATO Submission To Economics References Committee Now Available | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9YjD4 )

23:50:13 cazalla: tandacoin, we don't focus on alt/scam coins btw

23:50:55 cazalla: unless it is relevant to bitcoin itself, example being group abc scam a bunch of btc to start their own scam coin

23:51:59 tandacoin: not all altcoins are scam coins

23:52:10 tandacoin: counterparty for example is a good coin

23:52:37 mats_cd03: http://www.ciphergoth.org/crypto/solitaire/

23:52:38 assbot: ciphergoth.org: Problems with Bruce Schneier's "Solitaire" ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9Yv5a )

23:54:11 tandacoin: also gaw miners isnt a scam

23:54:29 tandacoin: ive used them for ages and hashstaker is going to make so much money it sold out in hours

23:54:51 cazalla: "i've used them for ages, i've made a profit".. famous last words

23:55:14 ben_vulpes: jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000014.html << am i doing this right yet?

23:55:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9YGxw )

23:55:19 cazalla: tandacoin, clearly you are too stupid to write for qntra but thanks anyway

23:55:37 kakobrekla: well that went well :)

23:56:01 tandacoin: too stupid ? thnx

23:56:13 kakobrekla: tandacoin read up on gaw

23:56:14 tandacoin: we get 4k pageviews a day how muh do you get?

23:56:15 kakobrekla: !s gaw

23:56:17 assbot: 19 results for 'gaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gaw

23:56:18 ben_vulpes: jurov: http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << not seeing it here

23:56:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9YLBj )

23:56:26 tandacoin: much*

23:56:38 jurov: ben_vulpes: yes. i'll look why it did not associate patch with signature

23:57:51 ben_vulpes: no rush

23:57:58 tandacoin: you guys have no idea how to do business or journalism, im not going to waste my time with u

23:58:13 ben_vulpes: tandacoin: what do you get 4kv/d on?

23:58:23 ben_vulpes: ;;google tandacoin

23:58:23 gribble: Weighted covering numbers of convex sets: http://www.tau.ac.il/~shiri/publications/weighted-cov.pdf; Device for deflecting a bundle of light rays: http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4878720.pdf; ISSUU - L3 Magazine 2014 November ft. Tessanne Chin by L3 ...: http://issuu.com/l3magazine/docs/l3_magazine_-_2014_-_november_ft._t

23:58:37 cazalla: tandacoin, well maybe read logs/blogs and you can learn a little