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00:37:47 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: posted here earlier today iirc

00:38:26 asciilifeform: lulzily, derps have been peddling same magic chip since early 2014, we discussed it here long before schism

00:39:15 asciilifeform: i've thought about buying and publicly raping the thing, but quite busy lately.

00:39:38 kakobrekla: posted what?

00:39:44 *: kakobrekla confused

00:39:57 asciilifeform: nm looks like my terminal was wedged

00:40:01 asciilifeform: lel

00:40:18 asciilifeform: still was showing the atmel thread.

00:40:26 kakobrekla: heh ok

00:41:07 kakobrekla: id be happy to witness your raping

00:41:21 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: why not do it yourself

00:41:30 *: kakobrekla not rapist

00:41:33 asciilifeform: i can think of several quite good methods

00:41:42 kakobrekla: i keep my dick in a vice

00:41:44 asciilifeform: and i bet -- you can also.

00:50:10 kakobrekla: maybe

00:50:15 kakobrekla: maybe you have too much faith in people

03:08:26 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E840C2FC34B3F9B8B95E6D12E18267E717ACBE1494C34DFA9055710347573A7 ; Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '116.105.59.120 (ssh-rsa key from 116.105.59.120 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt)

03:08:27 assbot: ipinfo: 116.105.59.120, No Hostname, Da Nang, Thanh Pho GJa Nang, VN, 16.0678,108.2208, AS24086 Viettel Corporation

03:08:28 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/763930076E165275AF7659105A2A31F61AE3FBF931A7E188B2DC146EFFC7CF49 ; Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.147 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt)

03:08:29 assbot: ipinfo: 41.178.64.147, No Hostname, , , EG, 30.0355,31.2230, AS24863 Link Egypt (Link.NET)

03:08:31 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/05654F6204A0FB615199D4DB4E442FFFCA74621F46A18B5E74CB978504E480F8 ; Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.148 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.148 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt)

03:08:32 assbot: ipinfo: 41.178.64.148, No Hostname, , , EG, 30.0355,31.2230, AS24863 Link Egypt (Link.NET)

03:08:33 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/18B7C700E3D732F13B498BE6777E8C50040F0BE90CC086A78993AEB30CCB803B ; Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.157 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt)

03:08:34 assbot: ipinfo: 41.178.64.157, No Hostname, , , EG, 30.0355,31.2230, AS24863 Link Egypt (Link.NET)

06:08:24 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D2FDFCE450D0A058B385E0E94E0E57E611A3EBF385B30F77CF915C96BDE19B97 ; Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.215.85.243 (ssh-rsa key from 95.215.85.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt)

06:08:25 assbot: ipinfo: 95.215.85.243, No Hostname, Gorno-Altaysk, Altai, RU, 51.9561,85.9550, AS51156 OngNET Ltd., 649000

08:04:28 funkenstein_: hey nice Nature article kakobrekla

08:04:50 funkenstein_: the 2nd enemy of knowledge - it can be quite deadly

08:05:20 funkenstein_: a surprising forum to find such acknowledgement

08:07:24 funkenstein_: davout let us know if jesse comes through at all for you

08:07:43 funkenstein_: as if margin weren't already a trap enough on its own

08:08:35 davout: funkenstein_: it's expected that a gun can kill someone, it's not expected that it'll blow up in your face should you try to use it

08:09:24 funkenstein_: yeah, lame

08:10:16 funkenstein_: i had a friend who lived in mauritius for a while, recently moved on to saipan

08:10:36 punkman: funkenstein_: any .cn exchanges you'd recommend?

08:10:44 funkenstein_: i've used btcc

08:11:02 funkenstein_: difficult as hell to navigate though

08:11:16 funkenstein_: i'd work through locals

08:11:37 punkman: ;;tall

08:11:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 946.56, vol: 8098.70227045 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 926.125, vol: 4647.23227 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 946.4, vol: 26045.79276448 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 949.25, vol: 8240.54809824 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 971.963916, vol: 2148159.74890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 950.0, vol: 2389.90877267 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 946.98, vol: 2355.42626829 | Volume-weighted last average: 971.33521176

08:12:31 punkman: I like how btcc is always ~30 above bitstamp, and btc-e ~30 below

08:13:30 funkenstein_: yeah nice eh?

08:13:55 funkenstein_: people with the balls to arbitrage here are doing well

08:21:30 funkenstein_: trains here annouce "people not holding tickets will be neg-rated"

08:22:02 funkenstein_: btw davout I owe you a favor for your excellent handling of bitcoin-central back in the day

08:22:55 davout: funkenstein_: i don't think i really deserve a medal for doing the job as advertised, but thanks :3

08:23:58 funkenstein_: l0l :D

09:38:09 kakobrekla: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10542519

09:38:10 assbot: ; DROP TABLE "COMPANIES";-- LTD - Overview (free company information from Companies House) ... ( http://bit.ly/2hT7ani )

13:35:17 kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/814815406460436480

13:35:18 assbot: Vitalik Buterin sur Twitter : "@Ragnarly Past performance not indicative of future results; I actually think BTC is more likely than ETH to split in 2 in 2017" ... ( http://bit.ly/2ipgvqy )

13:35:19 kakobrekla: l0l!

16:53:58 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A07FCCF0D46AC8B25EB8F0982629537817E0CEA47BCC6C8B800A06F4F4647160 ; Phuctored: 7 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Todd A. Outten ; '

16:54:00 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/289FCBF68419984FD484C7EF7823AB7C114193224DD2733C7A60A20BC118F5A6 ; Phuctored: 7 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' ; ; Gene Spafford ; Gene Spafford ; Gene Spafford ; Gene Spafford ; Gene Spafford ; Eugene H. Spafford ; Eugene H. Spafford ; Gene Spafford

16:54:02 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0CCA49DE4C9967BFAE78ACF9D1AD438154B75B9700A055CA3DAC80F1714A2AA0 ; Phuctored: 7 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Connie Main ; '

17:03:07 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AC623C503B5F6FF091E7B5819FAD4EE293D03B779770C1959FD3C159D6653FB ; Phuctored: 10365922225735580401543871913918203205800046322942163684397422081483641818531375463660009562675589495716854025648354687758766596517585121238149900473782769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.28.20 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.28.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email

17:03:08 assbot: ipinfo: 77.37.28.20, No Hostname, Frankfurt am Main, Hesse, DE, 50.1167,8.6833, AS31400 Accelerated IT Services GmbH, 60308

17:03:09 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2398E0817D454688D06524E1B99CCE125A5E4D5E4DB5FBEFBE1BBE65BDA99AB4 ; Phuctored: 173037617796035553483274182177778583653363773151361337318072482484825137326398676555740316323099041989058138656136239431619381716081479295069178805266533755884113442893068185133568832343998967239064658692517002132243869217121068447189598471458360895927452325684282512316329396092163600472642618945864515821787 divides RSA Moduli belong

17:03:10 assbot: ipinfo: 150.187.4.208, No Hostname, Caracas, Capital, VE, 10.5000,-66.9167, AS20312 Fundación Centro Nacional de Innovación Tecnológica (CENIT)

22:54:13 jurov: http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/networks/the-crazy-security-behind-the-birth-of-zcash

22:54:14 assbot: The Crazy Security Behind the Birth of Zcash, the Inside Story - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/2hUYtZK )

22:54:31 asciilifeform: jurov: we had thread...

22:55:10 jurov: asciilifeform where? with heathens or cultists?

22:55:18 asciilifeform: both iirc

22:55:23 asciilifeform: $s zcash

22:55:30 asciilifeform: hm

22:55:37 asciilifeform: !s zcash

22:55:38 assbot: 17 results for 'zcash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zcash

22:55:57 jurov: i dun remember the actual ceremony was discussed. i found it funny

22:56:23 kakobrekla: iirc peter todd did an elaborate report on his part

22:57:17 jurov: "Peter Todd, one of the ceremony participants, ran all of his computations on a laptop encased in a tin foil-lined cardboard box, while driving across Canada. He then burned his compute node to a crisp with a propane torch."

22:57:29 kakobrekla: he was supposedly hired to do the mumbo jumbo

22:57:30 jurov: ^ i'd surely have remembered this :)

22:58:05 kakobrekla: yeah, and then kept the burned bits as evidence heh

23:00:47 asciilifeform: pretty lulzy. i'm supposed to be, apparently, super-convinced that none of these clowns kept the key.

23:01:53 kakobrekla: its lulzy how you are super conviced when some other clown barfs nonsense :)

23:02:41 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 100% of my gear still worx if mp is an evil martian.

23:02:45 asciilifeform: i dun need 'convince'

23:03:01 kakobrekla: not what i meant but w/e

23:03:04 asciilifeform: (his gear -- ideally -- vice versa.)

23:03:32 jurov: kakobrekla - i recommend to consider: http://www.drmaciver.com/2016/12/on-persuasion-and-anger/

23:03:33 assbot: On persuasion and anger | David R. MacIver ... ( http://bit.ly/2hV0m8K )

23:06:56 kakobrekla: aha, see also recently linked nature article.

23:07:21 kakobrekla: anyway, it takes order of magnitudes more energy to refute bullshit than to create it

23:07:39 kakobrekla: so i gave up on that and just mock

23:08:23 kakobrekla: orders*

23:19:31 jurov: that's what it's about. to expended the energy effectively.

23:20:43 jurov: *expend

23:21:39 kakobrekla: i suspect any energy thrown in that direction is a lost cause

23:22:22 jurov: we throw energy in all directions. then we die.

23:22:29 kakobrekla: mhm

23:23:06 *: jurov in foul mood recently

23:23:57 asciilifeform: any reason you'd care to say, jurov ?

23:24:02 asciilifeform: *that you'd care to

23:24:15 jurov: not really, private life

23:24:19 asciilifeform: aite.

23:25:16 kakobrekla: i try not to waste my breath on stuffed teddys, tho arguably im i still need practice

23:25:22 kakobrekla: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112817/quotes?item=qt0250264

23:25:23 assbot: Dead Man (1995) - Quotes - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/2hUNSyg )

23:25:56 kakobrekla: im still in a need of practice i meant

23:30:54 jurov: or maybe just avian flu, dunno. it killed whole henhouse nearby 3 days ago.

23:31:20 asciilifeform: jurov had a poultry farm?!

23:31:26 asciilifeform: i had nfi

23:31:55 jurov: lol not mine. but we had poultry till 20y ago :)

23:32:01 asciilifeform: neato.

23:32:31 asciilifeform: i used to have a neighbour here who had illicit(!) chickens

23:33:08 asciilifeform: (only hens , he could not have crowing, would have blown cover )

23:34:08 kakobrekla: illicit chickens ?

23:34:26 kakobrekla: were they mexian or what

23:34:42 kakobrekla: mexican*

23:34:58 jurov: maybe in US all hens must have passport or sth

23:34:59 asciilifeform: nope

23:35:02 asciilifeform: standard chickens.

23:35:09 asciilifeform: but in this town they are not permitted.

23:35:12 asciilifeform: 'zoning', see.

23:35:28 asciilifeform: gotta be in 'commercial zone' for chickens.

23:35:35 asciilifeform: or 'light industry'. or i forget what.

23:35:41 asciilifeform: but not 'residential zone'.

23:37:02 kakobrekla: a well, the land of the phree

23:39:26 jurov: lol our mayor just prohibited "gatherings of poultry and other birds" with immediate effect! http://www.dubravka.sk/sk/Novinky/vtacia-chripka-nariadenia.html

23:39:26 assbot: Vtáčia chrípka - nariadenia | dubravka.sk ... ( http://bit.ly/2hUPqs4 )

23:39:47 asciilifeform: aaaah there you go, догоним и перегоним америку !

23:40:15 asciilifeform: nao jurov toooo can conceal illicit chickenzes in his cellar.

23:41:00 kakobrekla: afaik we dont have any chicken limits

23:41:13 kakobrekla: would need to check

23:41:29 asciilifeform: what's it take to get a .si passport anyway, kakobrekla ?

23:41:49 asciilifeform: i want to go to the land of Permitted Chickens

23:42:25 kakobrekla: hm, you think i know from the top of my head?

23:43:17 asciilifeform: well i know that ~$200k gets you an american one

23:43:32 asciilifeform: (less if you aren't in a hurry)

23:43:59 kakobrekla: now that im thinking about it i recall one of my friends got one some years ago

23:44:32 asciilifeform: where was he originally from

23:44:45 kakobrekla: croatia

23:44:51 asciilifeform: that's in eu, neh?

23:45:01 asciilifeform: iirc moving b/w eu is like changing streets in usa

23:45:02 kakobrekla: not at the time he got it

23:45:04 asciilifeform: ah

23:45:33 asciilifeform: easier from nazi countries, though, they may as well all be in eu

23:45:36 asciilifeform: (than from, say, ru)

23:46:09 asciilifeform: or from usa.

23:46:17 asciilifeform: (~nobody wants folx from usa, and i can't blame'em!!)

23:47:55 kakobrekla: the way i see it its quite trivial

23:47:59 jurov: asciilifeform: if you have some papers about hungarian (incl. todays parts of ukraine) ancestors available, you can get .hu passport

23:47:59 kakobrekla: just takes time

23:49:08 asciilifeform: jurov: believe or not, i have 0 papers about ~any ancestors.

23:49:19 asciilifeform: except for very immediate ones.

23:49:27 asciilifeform: (none of whom lived anywhere but su)

23:49:41 asciilifeform: so i'm SOL.

23:50:26 kakobrekla: can you read this http://www.infotujci.si/v/18/državljanstvo

23:50:29 assbot: Državljanstvo ... ( http://bit.ly/2iqNOcT )

23:50:33 kakobrekla: the lang test is trivial

23:51:25 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: indeed i can

23:51:42 asciilifeform: (now if they ask me to ~write~ it, is another matter)

23:52:07 kakobrekla: i wouldnt worry about that part

23:52:17 kakobrekla: you basically need to get your ass over here and chill

23:52:31 asciilifeform: it is increasingly a tempting idea.

23:52:51 kakobrekla: first need to come for a visit ofc to see if you even like it

23:53:11 asciilifeform: i can't really picture how not to like it

23:53:25 asciilifeform: how many syrians to one slovene right now

23:53:26 asciilifeform: 10?

23:53:30 kakobrekla: i would help to the best of my abilities to get you a slave job if you wanted

23:53:39 kakobrekla: eh

23:53:42 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: dunno if i mentioned, i have unplugged job

23:53:54 kakobrekla: i dont know if i seen a single syrian with my eyes

23:54:21 kakobrekla: (tv dont count)

23:56:16 jurov: just my 2c: slovak citizenship is a nightmare. I was told both in person and there was public rejection case "has not shown he is proper Christian" as official answer

23:56:33 asciilifeform: jurov: what kinda christian do you have to be, and how plausibly

23:56:36 asciilifeform: (they quiz?)

23:57:26 jurov: baptism certificate, perhaps

23:57:47 asciilifeform: jurov: interesting, i had nfi this even existed.

23:58:12 jurov: i have nfi by what channels mike gogulski obained his special papers from sk authorities

23:58:33 jurov: (the stateless dude you sold ships to)

23:58:40 asciilifeform: yeah i remember him

23:58:45 asciilifeform: i have nfi where he got, what.

23:59:42 jurov: he has non-citizen passport issued by .sk authority, with "issued according to UN agreemend something something"

23:59:50 jurov: written on it