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00:00:03 danielpbarron: "This will take some time but getting into the Web of Trust is something I have wanted to do and have been studying for a few months now."

00:04:13 asciilifeform: blocks=144806 bastards=11847 peak=145M

00:05:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21382 @ 0.00042654 = 9.1203 BTC [+] {2}

00:08:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00043333 = 1.6467 BTC [+]

00:15:24 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-offer-well-surveilled-online-exchange-zone/

00:15:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00043633 = 26.6598 BTC [+] {2}

00:29:24 mircea_popescu: !up berndj

00:29:29 mircea_popescu: !up Takeshi

00:30:07 mircea_popescu: anyone want the clearly very valuable oyvey.eu domain ?

00:31:05 mircea_popescu: lol cpt buttarms

00:33:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project. << risky if it ends up promoting clockpainting.

00:33:55 jurov: ben_vulpes: sell that idea to reddit

00:34:13 mircea_popescu: qntra works very well, at least so far, because everyone's work is fundamentally public, there's no meaning in "writing words' outside of obviously others reading them. so trying to thin out the product as it were is painfully visible and liable to cost whoever does it more than it's worth.

00:34:16 jurov: they can give scamcoins according to time spent there

00:34:24 mircea_popescu: with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible.

00:34:38 mircea_popescu: jurov kinda what they do already no ?

00:35:08 jurov: well, yes.

00:39:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent? << this is a well pointed question. it'd seem your business is ass-backwardss : people do the job of computers, and i guess computers do the job of people ?!

00:39:37 trinque: seems just issuing bonuses when times are good is more manageable

00:39:38 trinque: maybe that's applicable to stock as well; just issue shares as you personally see fit

00:40:46 *: trinque wonders if there are rules on "fairness" in regards to giving employees stock

00:40:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50214 @ 0.00042159 = 21.1697 BTC [-] {2}

00:41:01 mircea_popescu: "everyone must get the same"

00:41:16 trinque: jesus

00:41:18 trinque: mircea_popescu: really?

00:41:24 mircea_popescu: well what ?!

00:42:03 trinque: well presumably I own the fucking thing, at least in my own delusion

00:42:12 trinque: I can't just decide a guy has pleased me and give him some?

00:42:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1560 @ 0.000932 = 1.4539 BTC [-]

00:43:02 mircea_popescu: maybe you don't understand this whole "fairness" concept.

00:44:13 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible. << Also as unequally as prose may be weighted, code is especially unequal when it comes to volume versus value.

00:44:22 trinque: seems dangerous to give stock at all then, if there's anything at all on the books about "fairness" to whoever

00:44:37 mircea_popescu: trinque yes, capitalism does not work in the hands of idiots.

00:44:45 mircea_popescu: like gpg. like everything else worth using.

00:45:09 mircea_popescu: it's that fabled lightsabre that only lightsabers if wielded by master.

00:46:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness.

00:46:42 asciilifeform: pay for quantity or time is how the fabled 'indian coder' came about.

00:46:59 asciilifeform: (the notion was once taken to extremes in that country)

00:47:01 trinque: I suppose I should stop being surprised.

00:47:19 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness. << Well with Qntra and prose having editorial controls helps to level the problem. I can not imagine a similar arbiter existing for code.

00:47:33 asciilifeform: time is the less immediately-suicidal variant - all you end up with is a clock-watcher and a lighter wallet

00:47:34 trinque: the incoherence of it all sets off instinctual rage that if nothing else keeps me hammering away at the wall

00:47:40 asciilifeform: 'weight' is the killer

00:47:47 asciilifeform: you have to live with... the code. afterwards.

00:48:21 mircea_popescu: ^

00:48:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know precisely one place where this approach worked.

00:49:06 asciilifeform: 'The practice is pervaded by the reassuring illusion that programs are just devices like any others, the only difference admitted being that their manufacture might require a new type of craftsmen, viz. programmers. From there it is only a small step to measuring "programmer productivity" in terms of "number of lines of code produced per month". This is a very costly measuring unit because it encourages the writing of insipid

00:49:07 asciilifeform: code, but today I am less interested in how foolish a unit it is from even a pure business point of view. My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger.'

00:49:09 mircea_popescu: i dunno if you like balzac much, but the only reason the fat lazy fuck exists as a writer is because he had to pay his eternal debts and the newspapers paid by the line.

00:49:11 ben_vulpes: i'm apparently in the unique situation of reading through all code that gets produced in my shop and having more or less everyone's eyes on everyone's product.

00:49:12 asciilifeform: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html

00:49:14 assbot: Page not found | Computer Science Department The University of Texas at Austin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhLve1 )

00:49:30 asciilifeform: 'On the cruelty of really teaching computing science' (dijkstra)

00:49:35 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that'll scale about as well as "i don't need condoms, i only fuck clean girls"

00:49:40 ben_vulpes: i was just about to say.

00:49:42 trinque: ben_vulpes: it just occurred to me that perhaps the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception of who has contributed?

00:49:50 ben_vulpes: NO QUANTIFICATION

00:49:52 trinque: is that faiaaaiiiirrr? *wiggles eyebrows*

00:49:53 mircea_popescu: trinque hey, you're really building teh reddit

00:50:01 trinque: damn it; I did.

00:50:03 ben_vulpes: you stop it with your mad quest for metriced decisionmaking

00:50:12 trinque: but doesn't have to be flat

00:50:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fucks with bigger tits that last longer should be paid more!

00:50:28 asciilifeform: the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception << l0ll!!!

00:50:29 ben_vulpes: yeah i do it manually on walks with individual contributors

00:50:43 trinque: asciilifeform: the fuck; you never do peer code review?

00:50:48 asciilifeform: nope

00:51:00 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform clearly has no peers capable of reading his code

00:51:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6786 @ 0.00040931 = 2.7776 BTC [-]

00:51:21 ben_vulpes: it's actually a manual walking of the shop wot

00:51:22 ben_vulpes: hm.

00:51:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque well have you looked at the sort of shit he outputs ?

00:51:25 ben_vulpes: WHATEVER

00:51:27 trinque: mircea_popescu: doesn't what someone is paid quantify it ultimately anyway?

00:51:32 mircea_popescu: 4mb bitcoind that doesn't fucking work etc.

00:51:41 trinque: haha

00:51:57 trinque: ben_vulpes: right, internal wot, exactly

00:52:19 trinque: doesn't matter though, nanny bama will burn your house down if you try to introduce hierarchy

00:52:26 trinque: I can't process that

00:53:38 mircea_popescu: so i just re-read this article, it's getting to the point where i manage to piss MYSELF off.

00:53:49 mircea_popescu: i wonder if anyone ever trolled themselves off the internet.

00:55:10 BingoBoingo: !b 3

00:55:11 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DT70A3.txt )

00:56:15 trinque: mircea_popescu: which?

00:56:41 mircea_popescu: the last one.

00:56:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com 369 0.3 % 369 2.6 %

00:56:42 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ 328 0.3 % 328 2.3 %

00:56:43 assbot: 502 Bad Gateway ... ( http://bit.ly/1yOjHbP )

00:56:47 mircea_popescu: ^ check it out, a challenger appears.

00:57:28 trinque: the write on the screen bit -> my sides

00:57:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.donotlink.com/ << btw.

00:57:41 assbot: Link without improving "their" search engine position | donotlink.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yOk0U1 )

00:57:46 mircea_popescu: how do you know you REALLY piss people off.

00:58:16 asciilifeform: lol!

00:59:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/cnx2cor

00:59:32 assbot: dgerard comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhO67K )

00:59:35 mircea_popescu: othar efforts in the same vein.

01:00:09 mircea_popescu: ahh, i recall the age of the romanian pond, when a bunch of retarded ~romanians~ similarly entertained delusions of, you know, we will HURT THIS GUY!!111

01:00:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00041322 = 17.9751 BTC [+]

01:00:17 mircea_popescu: because obviously anything's within reach.

01:02:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile :

01:02:37 mircea_popescu: [?]Institutional_Invest 1 point 9 days ago TLDR of this discussion?

01:02:37 mircea_popescu: [?]wonderkindel 5 points 8 days ago Gavin sees a major shitstorm ahead, does not know of any way out, but hopes that cartels of honest miners will materialize to keep the dream wet.

01:02:44 mircea_popescu: check it out davout, r/buttcoin gets it ?!

01:02:53 ben_vulpes: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/

01:02:57 assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhOTp9 )

01:03:06 mircea_popescu: lawl

01:03:13 mircea_popescu: it wasn't javascript

01:03:15 mircea_popescu: it was xml.

01:03:25 mircea_popescu: inspired by a returnofkinks.com post.

01:03:52 BingoBoingo: lol

01:05:12 trinque: lol @ notch did minecraft in js

01:06:33 ben_vulpes: returnofkinks << bahahaha

01:06:51 davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, if honest cartels don't make it we can only hope about "maybe assurance contracts, maybe bonded identies tied to transaction fees"

01:07:14 mircea_popescu: that "assurance contracts" in particular is such insane dumb only hearn could have sprouted it.

01:07:33 mircea_popescu: do you know how syria could have bombed new york ?

01:07:36 mircea_popescu: ASSURANCE CONTRACTS!

01:07:40 davout: they're called difficulty futures goddammit

01:07:49 davout: XD

01:08:00 mircea_popescu: a bunch of derps in beirut getting together and agreeing to have bombed new york is how new york will have been bombed.

01:08:17 mircea_popescu: subjonctive died out in english because it was stupid, time to reimplement it out of javascript and call it something else!

01:08:33 mircea_popescu: do you know how "the sanctions" destroyed putin ?

01:08:44 mircea_popescu: by washington agreeing with reddit that they did!

01:08:53 mircea_popescu: redditardssurance contracts!

01:09:09 davout: on an other topic, wrt to pogo plug chain sync

01:09:34 asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should ? in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 ? and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to plain forgery. Materi

01:09:34 asciilifeform: al facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which it is felt ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied.' (orwell/nationalism)

01:09:43 davout: i'm kinda hesitating between genius and braindamaged for the following idea: what if the chain gets synced backwards from the top?

01:10:58 davout: see a bunch of nodes sorta agreeing on the same chain tip, take it, work backwards to genesis block easily since you can easily fetch previous block, once done verify chain and get back to usual bzns

01:11:31 asciilifeform: work backwards to genesis block >> or to perdition

01:13:10 davout: asciilifeform: yeah, there's that but unless you're maliciously partitioned away from the legit network it wouldn't be trivial to fool you

01:14:12 davout: you'd kinda notice it quickly too if every other node you ask about this (N-1) block tells you to gtfo

01:14:27 davout: just my 2 gavincoins

01:14:59 davout: i'm off, laterz

01:19:20 asciilifeform: blocks=180294 bastards=18412 peak=168M

01:19:30 asciilifeform: pogo: 187387

01:19:33 mircea_popescu: davout how do you know what the top is ?

01:20:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how well that worked for the nationalists is evident everwhere around us!

01:21:11 mircea_popescu: what was the hands-down, no question asked, no doubt possible dominant party and c ultural force of the 1930s ?

01:21:16 mircea_popescu: anihilated by 1960.

01:21:20 mircea_popescu: completely gone by 1990.

01:21:23 mircea_popescu: such success...

01:21:30 mircea_popescu: that the socialists are doing the same thing...

01:21:47 mircea_popescu: so what, anihilated by 2020, completely gone by 2050, hopefully we'll be smarter than to do it over.

01:23:32 mircea_popescu: (but to anyone not quite seeing the world for what it is : yes we are at war, and yes the year is about 1944, and yes the fucking nazis are running the fucking concentration camps and invaded russia and so on and so forth. you had no idera about it, but similarly you had no idea about it in 1944. the only reason this is being an issue is because the introduction of the bitcoin tank/bomber/submarine is massively turning

01:23:32 mircea_popescu: the tide, and suddenly all sorts of disparate and previously doomed forces are now converging.

01:23:46 mircea_popescu: you wouldn't have known there's such a thing as "french partisans" if there wasn't a 1945, either)

01:25:17 mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.

01:27:34 mircea_popescu: !rated danielpbarron

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01:27:54 mircea_popescu: !rate danielpbarron 2 He's sort of like an apostle.

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01:30:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00041175 = 8.6673 BTC [-]

01:32:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34218 @ 0.00041563 = 14.222 BTC [+] {2}

01:34:22 danielpbarron: i've got archlinux on this thing now

01:34:47 danielpbarron: i'll look into doing openbsd later once i get the hang of this

01:35:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://web.archive.org/web/20110125101820/tacomaconfidential.typepad.com/the_murder_book_2008/2010/10/hans-reiser-former-genius-convicted-murderer-and-future-mad-scientist.html << criminal justice mega-lulzmine

01:35:54 assbot: The Murder Book : Hans Reiser: former genius, convicted murderer and future mad scientist? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuBiQp )

01:36:08 asciilifeform: specifically,

01:36:10 asciilifeform: 'At one point, before trial, Hans was offered a three-year-sentence if he pled guilty to manslaughter. He refused and will now serve at least 15 years behind bars.)'

01:36:15 *: asciilifeform did not verify this

01:36:18 BingoBoingo: Ah

01:36:51 asciilifeform: the 'plea bargain' thing works by demonstrative public floggings like this

01:37:52 ben_vulpes: former genius?

01:37:55 ben_vulpes: i wonder how that works.

01:38:26 asciilifeform: !b 2

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01:39:00 asciilifeform: it works like this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999195

01:39:00 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should ? in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 ? and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to

01:39:29 asciilifeform: modern state claims sovereignty over not only present, future, but also past.

01:39:52 ben_vulpes: satoshi the thought-criminal.

01:40:22 asciilifeform: the easiest, most often reached-for weapon is 'this never happened'

01:40:33 asciilifeform: if it fails, then, 'thought crime'

01:43:22 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.'

01:43:36 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: there may be an experimental driver.

01:48:20 danielpbarron: oh :<

01:52:30 midnightmagic: uh. just for the record, I strongly disagree with plotting the violent overthrow of the USG. I do not, have not, will not, and would not even in the face of violent coercion, consider the use of violent and/or lethal force as a vehicle of governmental change. I am not a seditionist.

01:53:05 danielpbarron: what about financial overthrow?

01:53:29 midnightmagic: fair game if it's a peaceful choice on the part of people.

01:53:56 asciilifeform: 'if you saw a man drowning, and had the choice between saving him and taking a photo, what aperture and exposure settings would you use ?'

01:54:21 midnightmagic: financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood.

01:56:29 *: asciilifeform does not expect to outlive usg by very long

01:56:44 asciilifeform: ^ for reasons described in the 'last psychiatrist' essay linked to by mircea_popescu.

01:58:35 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: if you're actually expecting to 'starve' the state by using bitcoin, you may end up somewhat disappointed. it lives on flesh, not money.

01:59:54 asciilifeform: it is worth reading about ancient slave empires

02:00:13 asciilifeform: particularly relevant here is that of the inca

02:00:54 asciilifeform: who did not (afaik) make use of money, but had extensive system of slave labour (corvee labour, technically, form of taxation) and the closest thing to a totalitarian state they could pull off under their tech level

02:01:00 asciilifeform: complete with collectivized agriculture.

02:01:22 asciilifeform: notably absent from the picture: fiat (or any other) currency, debased or otherwise

02:01:50 asciilifeform: not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to'

02:01:52 decimation: asciilifeform: "nationalism" strikes me as the wrong word here

02:02:08 asciilifeform: but that it is not entirely impossible to find a pill against whatever kind of resistance

02:02:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29264 @ 0.00041175 = 12.0495 BTC [-]

02:02:17 decimation: orwell was probably trying to name his enemies, but 'utopian dreamers' seems more fitting

02:02:19 midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.

02:02:22 asciilifeform: as described in the mega-super book, 'the art of not being governed' (j.c.scott)

02:02:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i forget, who is hans reiser ?

02:02:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reiserfs.

02:02:54 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> i wonder how that works. << drugs are bad mkay ?

02:02:56 decimation: he was the guy who wrote a filesytem; murdered his mail order bridge later

02:03:06 decimation: lol s/bridge/bride

02:03:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: killed (reasonably certainly) wife

02:03:19 *: asciilifeform still uses reiserfs...

02:03:20 midnightmagic: so. no offence, I'm pretty sure you guys aren't actually real seditionists, but I wanted to be on the record about what I think about violence.

02:03:49 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: 4 times is probably enough for the nsa tape

02:04:13 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i added it to the bash for you. once jurov or some mod gets around to looking at it it may even show up

02:04:18 mircea_popescu: pity deedbot's temporarily dead.

02:04:21 *: asciilifeform envisions meeting midnightmagic at neighbouring gallows: 'but i....'

02:05:04 joecool: reiser4 is an excellent fs, i used to talk to some of his employees back when i maintained a patchset

02:05:09 mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> financial starvation of classic authority structures is the primary reason I am interested in bitcoin: because it allows us to do so without shedding a drop of their blood. << this is a good principle. however, people starve best if they are surrounded by barbed wire manned by other people firmly decided to escalate force to any degree.

02:05:14 joecool: too bad he had to shove nina in lost+found

02:05:22 decimation: midnightmagic: you would not resort to violence under any circumstances?

02:05:30 mircea_popescu: so... yes. for as long as the usg is willing to die peacefully, it will die peacefully. and if it wishes to try and make a break for it, all the same, it will die bloodily.

02:05:38 mircea_popescu: the only point not in contention : it will die.

02:05:54 mircea_popescu: and i will be there to piss on its grave.

02:06:08 midnightmagic: decimation: justified violence can take many forms including self-defence from immediate and credible threats to life and limb.

02:07:28 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to' << ballas is fundamentally (if perhaps unaware-ly) arguing that it already has. that's where his numerous psychanalisis pieces on the public mindset converge.

02:07:46 asciilifeform: aha

02:07:56 midnightmagic: wolman also agrees

02:07:58 asciilifeform: presently the corvee labour is proxy, through taxation and debasement

02:08:05 asciilifeform: if these somehow hiccup - then direct.

02:08:29 ben_vulpes: <midnightmagic> uh. just for the record << lol what inspired this insipid bit of authority pandering?

02:08:44 mircea_popescu: hey, guy's entitled to his own position.

02:09:00 ben_vulpes: i'm just amused at the presentation

02:09:02 midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: As opposed to what? Pandering to the likes of you?

02:09:10 mircea_popescu: zing.

02:09:11 midnightmagic: please.

02:09:13 ben_vulpes: HEY GUISE IM STRONGLY SOMETHING OR OTHER

02:09:33 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic no, srsly, that was good >D

02:09:43 ben_vulpes: it'd be cool man!

02:09:49 ben_vulpes: like the first time anyone's ever done so!

02:09:54 ben_vulpes: you could be the first! best!

02:10:05 mircea_popescu: quite.

02:10:08 asciilifeform: let's all xxxxxxxx.

02:10:14 ben_vulpes: normally i'm brushed off like a fly.

02:10:19 ben_vulpes: it's your lucky day!

02:10:20 mircea_popescu: basically, he's not the right age to run away from home with you vulpes.

02:10:30 ben_vulpes: shame, that.

02:10:41 *: asciilifeform notes for the record (tm) that he is not in favour of deposing glorious fuhrer kim jong un, as that would be criminal, seditious, murderous, immoral...

02:10:44 mircea_popescu: possibly also not the right gender.

02:10:57 ben_vulpes: nah, plenty of labor to go around.

02:11:02 ben_vulpes: solar troughs don't build themselves.

02:11:06 mircea_popescu: i am in favour of deposing any kim, just as long as a) it's done violently and b) not by the us.

02:11:57 asciilifeform: hey kakobrekla, can we have a '! oath <argument>' - returns 'plotting or fomenting the physical murder of <argument> is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.'

02:12:44 asciilifeform: e.g.,

02:12:47 mircea_popescu: i would like to learn more about how one can make money by renting out the space inside his nose.

02:12:49 asciilifeform: !oath kennedy

02:13:06 mircea_popescu: incidentally, is sedition actually still a crime

02:13:16 ben_vulpes: yup!

02:13:21 trinque: pretty sure the round of patriot legislation covered everything

02:13:24 asciilifeform: nobody cancelled it

02:13:24 *: ben_vulpes recently filled out passport paperwork

02:13:33 mircea_popescu: oh there's that.

02:13:45 ben_vulpes: you gotta swear to all sortsa funny stuff

02:13:48 trinque: good ol enabling act

02:13:51 ben_vulpes: including not calling the funny stuff funny

02:14:16 ben_vulpes: don't call the funny stuff funny, midnightmagic, they might erect you your own gibbet

02:14:34 asciilifeform: that's the thing with sucking state cock, it's infinitely long

02:14:38 mircea_popescu: In 1981, Oscar L?pez Rivera, a Puerto Rican Nationalist and Vietnam war veteran, was convicted and sentenced to 70 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and various other offenses. He was among the 16 Puerto Rican nationalists offered conditional clemency by U.S. President Bill Clinton in 1999, but he rejected the offer. His sister, Zenaida L?pez, said he refused the offer because on parole, he would be in "prison

02:14:38 mircea_popescu: outside prison." L?pez Rivera is said to be "among the longest held political prisoners in the history of Puerto Rico and in the world." He has been jailed for 33 years, 8 months and 1 day.

02:14:41 asciilifeform: throat - finitely deep

02:14:42 mircea_popescu: yep, check it out.

02:15:20 midnightmagic: sedition has never not been a crime.

02:15:26 mircea_popescu: who knew the us holds the record for "longest held political prisoner"

02:15:37 asciilifeform: ;;google treason never prospers for the reason

02:15:38 gribble: Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper ...: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnharing173129.html; Treason - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Treason; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Harington_(inventor)

02:15:42 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you have to excuse me, i come from a jurisdiction where sedition is considered the right and proper attitude of the citizen.

02:15:46 mircea_popescu: and has been, for centuries.

02:16:02 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm not surprised by that sort of record. :( Their prison population is a disgrace to humanity.

02:16:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite exactly that.

02:16:12 *: trinque mumbles something jefferson something... sighs

02:16:19 ben_vulpes: nah, give up trinque

02:16:41 asciilifeform: at least we can take copies of 'declaration of independence' (the u.s. one, not mircea_popescu's...) to jail now

02:16:45 trinque: ben_vulpes: oh I have

02:16:51 asciilifeform: at least if 'it was not used in the commission of the crimes'

02:16:53 trinque: still, he said that much

02:17:11 asciilifeform: (as per the barrett brown sentence)

02:17:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "he bitchslapped the officer with a large print version of the complete tax code"

02:17:33 asciilifeform: pretty sure complete copy would leave a man not only dead but street pizza

02:17:37 midnightmagic: I'm not sure but I think that non-US citizens can't be tried for treason..

02:17:51 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im sure the usg thinks it can do anything it pleases.

02:18:40 trinque: midnightmagic: what in the fuck treason do you think you've committed by being within earshot of a discussion of history

02:19:13 mircea_popescu: Laura Berg, a nurse at a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs hospital in New Mexico was investigated for sedition in September 2005 after writing a letter to the editor of a local newspaper, accusing several national leaders of criminal negligence. Though their action was later deemed unwarranted by the director of Veteran Affairs, local human resources personnel took it upon themselves to request an FBI investigation.

02:19:13 mircea_popescu: Ms. Berg was represented by the ACLU. Charges were dropped in 2006.

02:19:13 mircea_popescu: On March 28, 2010, nine members of the Hutaree militia were arrested and charged with crimes including seditious conspiracy.

02:19:20 mircea_popescu: apparently quite alive and kicking, as a legal device.

02:19:30 mircea_popescu: erryday a new reason to not want to be an usian.

02:19:49 asciilifeform: hutaree charges were dropped, iirc

02:20:10 asciilifeform: they may have been an unsuccessful 'death ray' gambit.

02:20:12 mircea_popescu: yeah.

02:20:17 asciilifeform: !s new york death ray

02:20:18 assbot: 10 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray

02:20:22 asciilifeform: ^ intro for n00bs

02:21:16 mircea_popescu: "Three members pled guilty to possessing a machine gun and were sentenced to time served."

02:21:33 asciilifeform: odd

02:21:39 asciilifeform: ianal, but that's a 5-year minimal

02:22:15 mircea_popescu: well who knows what happened thar.

02:22:47 mircea_popescu: ah, plea bargain.

02:23:11 asciilifeform: at this point one can probably 'plea bargain' to witchcraft

02:23:19 asciilifeform: or killing president garfield

02:23:58 trinque: "seditious intent"

02:24:07 asciilifeform: 'erryday a new reason to not want to be an usian' >>>>> 'every day a new reason not to want to be dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a flap of skin'

02:24:11 trinque: you know, like raping someone with your eyes

02:24:25 mircea_popescu: 18 U.S.C. ? 2384 "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or p

02:24:25 mircea_popescu: ossess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."

02:24:31 mircea_popescu: immunity granted by gtfo.

02:24:54 mircea_popescu: "The federal government has never won a sedition case against militia-types, white supremacists, or neo-Nazis. Since World War I, they have won numerous seditious conspiracy cases against Puerto Rican independentistas, communists and others on the left, but no one on the radical right has ever been convicted of plotting to overthrow by force of arms the government of the United States."

02:24:55 asciilifeform: just don't sail on a flagless semi-submersible boat.

02:24:59 mircea_popescu: or, apparently, by not being a libertard.

02:25:01 asciilifeform: or work in a nuclear program

02:25:15 asciilifeform: these - apparently - are specifically (inverse?)extraterritorial

02:25:17 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic seems you're safe enough here. careful in #gavincoin-assets tho

02:26:38 mircea_popescu: the above being also an interesting consideration for they who wish to argue "the libertards are in charge". pls start from that and let me hear the logic.

02:26:41 trinque: anyone else from the US want to piss himself publically?

02:27:50 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: you won't be going to jail for sedition. it'll be something more prosaic, like 'conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance'

02:28:18 asciilifeform: (do you have a garage? garden shed? did you take chemistry in school? probably guilty.)

02:28:18 mircea_popescu: come to think of it... bitcoin not being money, not really a good... clearly it is a SUBSTANCE, right ?

02:28:21 mircea_popescu: it gotta be something.

02:28:23 mircea_popescu: so therefore...

02:28:37 trinque: it's economic warfare

02:28:45 asciilifeform: !s financial terrorism

02:28:46 assbot: 0 results for 'financial terrorism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=financial+terrorism

02:29:15 asciilifeform: http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bernard-von-nothaus-the-domestic-terrorist-you-can-call-a-hero/2013/09/11

02:29:17 assbot: Bernard von NotHaus: The 'Domestic Terrorist' You Can Call a Hero ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfjTYb )

02:29:17 asciilifeform: ^ him

02:29:40 asciilifeform: ?Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country. We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challen

02:29:40 asciilifeform: ge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.?

02:29:49 asciilifeform: (prosecutor)

02:30:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in practice what he did is not really defensible tho.

02:30:43 mircea_popescu: it's not much unlike someone going around trying to pass gavincoin for "real bitcoin", which we don't stand for.

02:30:54 asciilifeform: nothaus was a diagnosable idiot

02:30:59 asciilifeform: just the right candidate for 'death ray'

02:31:26 asciilifeform: but, interestingly, http://www.nysun.com/editorials/beyond-bernard-von-nothaus/88958

02:31:28 assbot: Beyond Bernard von NotHaus - The New York Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ckyr9z )

02:31:47 trinque: ;;gettrust midnightmagic

02:31:48 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask midnightmagic!~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic. Trust relationship from user trinque to user midnightmagic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=trinque&dest=midnightmagic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=midnightmagic | Rated since: Mon Mar 7 15:45:54 2011

02:31:54 mircea_popescu: We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.? << this part is the funniest, incidentally, considering the APPALLING record of usg agents trying to infiltrate a god damnd public channel so far.

02:32:07 trinque: I'm gonna head out; man that pissed me off

02:32:34 *: asciilifeform still thinks we get the discount-shelf infiltrators here

02:32:40 asciilifeform: srsly, e.g., mr. spam ?

02:32:44 mircea_popescu: nah.

02:33:03 mircea_popescu: horvath's just an eager idiot.

02:33:24 mircea_popescu: if oyu carefully read the log, you'll see a couple explicitly exposed tho.

02:33:34 asciilifeform: i remember the dude from ro

02:33:46 mircea_popescu: such lol

02:33:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, off to eat brb

02:39:31 BingoBoingo: So who what's to test qntra's new, more modern CSS?

02:40:30 hanbot: that sucks.

02:40:31 asciilifeform: blocks=183670 bastards=23739 peak=206M

02:40:42 asciilifeform: pogo: 187845

02:43:15 asciilifeform: inference, with only a small leap, is that orphanage-burner testatron would have oomkilled precisely one time, had it ran under 128M constraint

02:43:48 asciilifeform: the logical thing to do, for it, would be to jettison the entire orphanage if approaching the hard limit

02:44:04 asciilifeform: this would require replacement of allocator (as suggested in thread from 2 days ago)

02:44:47 asciilifeform: who the hell writes a program as hungry as this, that is entirely unaware of its own resource consumption and lacks any feedback mechanism ?

02:45:09 *: asciilifeform knows how/why but still bewildered that no one has at any point seen it fit to bolt on basic sanity

02:45:12 hanbot: disk space doubles every runtime.

02:45:38 asciilifeform: hanbot: figure in question is ram footprint

02:45:51 hanbot: that triples.

02:46:29 asciilifeform: not in the experimental 'orphanage burner' build

02:46:48 hanbot: are you contradicting internet economists?

02:46:53 asciilifeform: l0lz

02:47:31 hanbot: for the record, i deeply enjoyed the sedition discussion. i vote for asciilifeform as most likely to sedite.

02:47:57 *: asciilifeform hoists jolly roger: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html

02:47:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D )

02:48:14 asciilifeform: ^ also happens to explain the memory thing

02:50:28 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: happen to remember what block height was at the time 0.5.3 was current? if this is in the log, i have utterly failed to find it

02:54:04 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: dude from ro?

02:56:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74500 @ 0.00040996 = 30.542 BTC [-] {2}

02:56:11 ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform [] knows how/why but still bewildered that no one has at any point seen it fit to bolt on basic sanity << features, bro

02:57:02 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "block height" << excellent question

02:58:58 ben_vulpes: "git" shows sun march 11 2012 as last commit at ref tagged as v0.5.3

02:58:58 mircea_popescu: 0.5.3 was march-ish 2012. about 170k

02:59:17 mircea_popescu: nah pretty sure it was spring.

02:59:32 ben_vulpes: march *is* spring

03:00:01 mircea_popescu: o nm i read the 11th as a month

03:00:02 mircea_popescu: march yes.

03:00:32 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the logical thing to do, for it, would be to jettison the entire orphanage if approaching the hard limit << this may be a good idea, if actually something's needed.

03:01:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00040626 = 22.7709 BTC [-]

03:02:11 asciilifeform: needs replacement std::allocator - proggy is not normally aware of own footprint

03:02:49 mircea_popescu: myeah.

03:03:22 *: ben_vulpes just observed an interesting

03:03:35 asciilifeform: even if for some peculiar reason it were not possible to reduce consumption, the thing ought to know when about to be killed - and shoot itself in the head with some decorum, rather than wait

03:04:27 ben_vulpes: toolbox on the table has a top tray and a bottom tray, connected by parallel braces, mounted at identically-spaced points on both trays. trays move on an arc defined by mechanisms constraints.

03:04:52 *: asciilifeform has one of these

03:05:23 ben_vulpes: there's an interesting configuration of the trays where the center of gravity of the top tray is balances the CoG of the bottom tray. this requires torquing the whole assembly such that the CoG's go in a funny place.

03:06:19 hanbot: ben_vulpes it's a trap!

03:06:41 mircea_popescu: vulpes is home alone and trying to find alternative passtimes to masturbation.

03:06:53 ben_vulpes: resulting in the thing resting at the unstable point at the top of the arc.

03:07:11 ben_vulpes: i'd post a pic but...le "smart"phone.

03:07:51 ben_vulpes: anyways, the parallels between how bitcoind only accidentally works and misc odd behaviors of this ancient floppy plastic toolbox are very apparent to me at precisely this moment.

03:08:30 ben_vulpes: a thing i learned about engineering when i was...oh, six...was that the steam engine doesn't just work because doodz sat and tweaked at it until everything went around just rightly.

03:08:31 ben_vulpes: no

03:08:40 ben_vulpes: someone *designed* each and every mechanism to work together.

03:08:56 ben_vulpes: if you'll forgive the rant, this is what the satoshi codebase lacks.

03:09:30 ben_vulpes: a coherent vision of how all of the parts interact, the emergent behaviors of the system and a robustish bit of software that can make sense of the system.

03:10:13 mircea_popescu: dude.

03:10:15 mircea_popescu: it's a prototype.

03:10:26 mircea_popescu: it was never seriously supposed to work, and it was specifically not intended to be used.

03:10:30 mircea_popescu: but... "the community"

03:11:30 ben_vulpes: once it worked, though, it was doomed to work.

03:11:35 ben_vulpes: "software never fails", and so on.

03:11:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well actually, the thing could just look at how much memory it can allocate and then never outpace it.

03:11:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah.

03:12:22 ben_vulpes: kinda fascinating

03:13:02 ben_vulpes: it's almost as though the satoshi codebase were a projection of software that knows how to talk to the one! true! bitcoin protocol.

03:13:36 mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"

03:13:50 mircea_popescu: !up teek

03:14:38 ben_vulpes: should really ask for specific blocks and drop all unasked for

03:15:00 mircea_popescu: this ensures that trying to ram-dos the node would require as many different nodes as a fifth of the total number of blocks it can hold.

03:15:13 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's not how this works tho

03:15:40 ben_vulpes: pardon?

03:15:43 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: pardon?

03:15:49 mircea_popescu: you don't ask for bloicks

03:17:06 ben_vulpes: inv cannot be used for block retrieval?

03:17:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: straight to jurov's www

03:17:25 mircea_popescu: yeh

03:17:29 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.5.3.1

03:17:30 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9q3cd )

03:17:40 asciilifeform: incidentally

03:17:48 asciilifeform: the testatron just now outpaced the 'pogo.'

03:18:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, you're writing me a letter right ?

03:18:14 asciilifeform: yes.

03:26:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92785 @ 0.00041141 = 38.1727 BTC [+]

03:30:10 hanbot: friendly reminder to not go to the library horny: http://www.inquisitr.com/1802797/kendra-sunderland-admits-to-filming-library-sex-video/

03:30:12 assbot: Kendra Sunderland Admits To Filming Library Sex Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1yOZxyb )

03:30:53 mircea_popescu: is she the short sweet ass ?

03:32:19 hanbot: i dunno anything about her ass other than it being in the wrong jurisdiction

03:33:33 mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z_FoybKuEX4/U5kM8U4ojmI/AAAAAAAAE3Q/aEy-LTb80Wc/s1600/steph-kegels-library-cam-1.gif

03:33:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yP0rLh )

03:33:34 mircea_popescu: her.

03:35:04 mircea_popescu: best library slut so far.

03:35:17 hanbot: nah, apparently that one wasn't indecent enough for a year of jail

03:35:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00041625 = 2.8513 BTC [+]

03:36:22 mircea_popescu: she takes it pretty far, eventually is all naked

03:36:31 mircea_popescu: clearly enjoying herself too, which goes a long way

03:36:52 cazalla: i remember seeing that and thinking surely it's staged

03:37:07 mircea_popescu: doubt it.

03:37:16 mircea_popescu: the budgets these girls make work...

03:43:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70971 @ 0.00043627 = 30.9625 BTC [+] {3}

03:44:15 BingoBoingo: davout: How is the new Qntra mobile experience?

03:45:17 TomServo: BingoBoingo: Looking very nice over here.

03:45:29 BingoBoingo: TomServo: Thanks.

03:50:54 cazalla: wow, they fkn locked the fork off thread because hey.. can't have actual blocksize increase discussion can you.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.0

03:50:55 assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtsZ75 )

03:52:00 mircea_popescu: lolwut

03:52:09 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998153 << solution: only signed packets get to initiate transactions on your node?

03:52:09 assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:39:06; asciilifeform: likewise, the orphans thing is an easy ddos vector

03:55:24 decimation: lolz "Implicit in the the nature of the location an the assertion of the police station being a "safe space" for conducting commerce is that this location open 24 hours a day and 7 days per week is under constant surveillance." << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979013

03:55:24 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.

03:56:34 mircea_popescu: heh

04:02:48 decimation: I like that line, because it summarizes the activity of about 90% of the american 'security state'

04:03:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00041625 = 19.8551 BTC [-]

04:04:37 trinque: mobile qntra looks great!

04:05:42 BingoBoingo: Thanks

04:10:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100982 @ 0.00042291 = 42.7063 BTC [+] {2}

04:10:23 asciilifeform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10295619#msg10295619 << mega-lol

04:10:24 assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKXNph )

04:10:42 asciilifeform: so -that- was the 'run into the ground' thing

04:11:11 *: asciilifeform was never able to read the phorum for more than a few min. at a stretch

04:11:29 decimation: !rate midnightmagic 1 is not a seditionist

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04:13:47 asciilifeform: 'Any more information on this? The fact that he is secretly building 10k nodes on a network with 7k active nodes and dropping is a concern in itself and makes me want to support Gavin's hardfork even more so.'

04:13:51 *: asciilifeform chokes from lulz

04:15:36 BingoBoingo: !b 2

04:15:37 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FEMWNP.txt )

04:16:24 decimation: asciilifeform: you are a seditionist apparently

04:16:42 asciilifeform: how classy

04:16:48 decimation: why didn't you bring your concerns to the community so they can try and find a solution together?

04:16:55 decimation: voice, not exit

04:17:05 asciilifeform: and here i was, thinking i'll have to hang for jaywalking

04:20:02 asciilifeform: 'Gavin's testing of 20MB blocks shows that loading (disk io) for these is 4x faster than 20 1MB blocks.' << did someone actually make this argument ?

04:20:21 asciilifeform: disk readahead caches, etc. evidently never happened?

04:20:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21819 @ 0.00043956 = 9.5908 BTC [+]

04:20:30 *: asciilifeform must have awakened in parallel universe

04:20:38 BingoBoingo: New Speak

04:20:49 decimation: asciilifeform: how can 20 MB 'load' faster than 20 MB?

04:21:07 BingoBoingo: Also for inquirers into the new qntra bsns http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=qntra.net&doctype=Inline&charset=%28detect%20automatically%29&ucn_task=conformance#

04:21:10 assbot: Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uKZgfq )

04:21:17 asciilifeform: decimation: fragmentation & seek penalty on ancient mechanical drives ?

04:21:39 asciilifeform: decimation: plus an obligatory helping of os brain damage

04:21:46 decimation: I guess. Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)?

04:21:57 asciilifeform: assuming there was any actual comparison

04:22:28 asciilifeform: they sure don't make lying sc4mz0rz like they used to.

04:23:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It used to be they couldn't fake as many

04:23:34 decimation: well, apparently no one can inspect anything at the layer below 'libc'

04:24:40 asciilifeform: forget the source; evidently, books - do not exist

04:25:30 Apocalyptic: <cazalla> wow, they fkn locked the fork off thread because hey.. can't have actual blocksize increase discussion can you.. // this is outrageous, but not unexpected

04:25:38 BingoBoingo: Books are for those with a Book budget

04:26:02 asciilifeform: or a set of legs

04:26:11 asciilifeform: libraries - not banned yet

04:26:19 asciilifeform: (though it is being worked on)

04:26:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53221 @ 0.00041346 = 22.0048 BTC [-] {2}

04:27:18 decimation: asciilifeform: most 'modern' libraries have slowly self-banned books

04:27:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00040859 = 3.1257 BTC [-]

04:27:35 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> so -that- was << myeah lel.

04:27:37 decimation: they are 'too expensive', and generally disfavored over other 'media' and 'meeting spaces'

04:27:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But using legs option for the book budget costs time other wise spent in the Herp pile

04:28:16 asciilifeform: laugh if you will, but i'm still trying to apprehend what it is 'most people' actually -do- with their time

04:28:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> "makes me want to" clearly the intensity of desire is related to the effectuality of results.

04:28:31 decimation: derp on irc?

04:28:32 mircea_popescu: (law of attraction)

04:28:36 asciilifeform: just how many hours can one wank in one sitting

04:28:51 mircea_popescu: depends if they touch the wiener or not.

04:28:55 mircea_popescu: if they don't... many.

04:29:02 asciilifeform: doesn't sound like much fun

04:29:20 BingoBoingo: I believe the technical term is "Circlejerk" as in formally with a bunch of fellows sitting around a bottle of lube they all Herp their Derp

04:31:21 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/3OLI0Kx.gif

04:31:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIjPOa )

04:33:27 mircea_popescu: decimation> I guess. Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)? << the guy's technical incompetence is not just amusing in itself,

04:33:36 mircea_popescu: but in what it reveals of teh retarded follower set.

04:33:48 mircea_popescu: maybe they should want really hard for fread to act differently ?

04:34:04 asciilifeform: oughta phone poettering.

04:34:08 asciilifeform: he'll help.

04:34:29 mircea_popescu: where was that bit about ls implementations that take less than half the ram are fat shaming and therefore not allowed ?

04:34:56 asciilifeform: was it dan mocsny?

04:35:16 asciilifeform: i definitely recall he was 'advocating' for 'diversity' in petri dishes, in every lab!!!11!! in one post

04:35:22 mircea_popescu: nah some recently linked spoof of feministos

04:36:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude those rats are fucking adorkable.

04:36:23 asciilifeform: as with many idiocies, this one may be approaching 'parody event horizon' where the reality is not readily distinguishable from the spoof world

04:36:31 mircea_popescu: right.

04:36:31 cazalla: aaand gavin appears in the new blocksize thread after previous one was locked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10315826#msg10315826

04:36:31 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL12NC )

04:36:33 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously

04:36:46 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol they made a new one without all the inconvenient stuff in it ?

04:36:56 mircea_popescu: why does gavin behave exactly like a cheap forum scammor ?

04:37:16 cazalla: i guess OP might've locked the first one but who really knows

04:37:20 mircea_popescu: is it perhaps because the path of evil is really quite narrow ? funel shaped at first, line thin six months later ?

04:37:21 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX << The Inclusive not *nix

04:37:23 assbot: The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL16Ne )

04:38:15 danielpbarron: "The video was leaked by either another student on the OSU campus, or another web cam model from Romania." << from the naked library video thing

04:38:35 danielpbarron: the "fork off" thread looks like it was closed by railzand https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10303614#msg10303614

04:38:36 assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIl7sz )

04:38:42 mircea_popescu: "If bitcoin costs 4 dollars to teleport "virtual gold" , I'm going to switch to an alt that can allow me to teleport another form of "virtual gold" for a couple pennies."

04:38:46 mircea_popescu: thjat part was pretty good.

04:39:11 mircea_popescu: if the world were signficiantly impacted by people whose choices are governed by the difference between 4 bux and "pennies", we could just burn it, for it failed.

04:39:28 mircea_popescu: no wonder he eats shit. i've yet to see food at 4 dollars.

04:39:38 cazalla: BingoBoingo, is that FSF a good troll or what?

04:39:49 BingoBoingo: It is indeed a good troll

04:39:54 decimation: what about the poor russian family who was trying to move 50 bux?

04:40:07 mircea_popescu: i dunno, how about the wife starts camming ?

04:40:33 BingoBoingo: decimation: Their optimal solution was actually using Western Union and him buying BTC in Russia where the liwuidity is

04:40:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00040859 = 11.1749 BTC [-]

04:40:55 mircea_popescu: lmao & gavin

04:40:57 mircea_popescu: "I think we should target somebody with a "pretty good" computer and a "pretty good" home internet connection."

04:40:57 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/you-are-poor-lolz/

04:41:04 mircea_popescu: BECAUSE ACCESSIBILITY DRIVES ADOPTION!!!1

04:41:19 mircea_popescu: the logic of logical logicians, also internet economists and generally stupid fat people.

04:41:21 *: asciilifeform goes to buy a Pretty Good Computer

04:41:31 asciilifeform: do they still have those.

04:41:45 BingoBoingo: Pogo is pretty good computer

04:41:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113650 @ 0.00040657 = 46.2067 BTC [-]

04:41:54 asciilifeform: l0l

04:42:02 asciilifeform: seems like BingoBoingo has not tried it yet

04:42:03 BingoBoingo: Or at least somewhat adequate computer for a fifth of cheap whiskey

04:42:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the girl contributing to the computer community over at best buy would go "do you want good or do you want pretty ?"

04:42:35 BingoBoingo: I have not tried it, but it seems like the most computer you can get for the equivalent of a fifth of Evan Williams

04:42:40 *: asciilifeform realized that BingoBoingo could actually get vga on that thing, if he wanted, using one of the ubiquitous usb2 framebuffer boxes

04:42:47 BingoBoingo: Indeed

04:43:23 BingoBoingo: And qntra is now VGA friendly-er for readers

04:43:59 asciilifeform: http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/3967421

04:44:04 assbot: HP USB Graphics Adapter - USB video cards - HP: NL571AA ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL1XgT )

04:44:04 *: asciilifeform ^ has bag of these

04:44:39 mircea_popescu: "Hello, My name is Manikanteswar, Business Executive Media Buying for Capslock Digital Solutions Pvt Ltd (www.capslocknetwork.com), one of the biggest upcoming Ad Network in the Industry. I'm contacting you as we are looking for inventory like yours and we are ready to discuss the terms of a very profitable partnership. "

04:44:44 mircea_popescu: cazalla you folks got one of these ?

04:44:53 asciilifeform: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/FB_UDL.html << driver

04:44:54 assbot: Linux Kernel Driver DataBase: CONFIG_FB_UDL: Displaylink USB Framebuffer support ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL28ZA )

04:45:44 cazalla: mircea_popescu, nope

04:46:17 mircea_popescu: hm i guess im speshul

04:47:31 cazalla: BingoBoingo has made room for adverts on the left/right side of qntra so we're ready for gaw miners adverts though

04:47:59 mircea_popescu: lol

04:48:14 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Actually I dunno how to fill those spaces. I just made em. No idea how to fill them.

04:48:16 mircea_popescu: i dun think qntra is advertising huh.

04:49:29 decimation: asciilifeform: do you (safely) examine the various malware turds that end up in your domain mailbox?

04:49:30 BingoBoingo: Well, eventually is possible for some levels of eventually. We just need companies to emerge which would find advertising on qntra an economic proposition.

04:49:44 decimation: I suspect one can learn much about malware by putting out a few honeypots

04:49:44 asciilifeform: decimation: occasionally

04:49:54 asciilifeform: decimation: not long ago, i did this for a living.

04:49:56 decimation: or just rain buckets

04:50:23 asciilifeform: it wasn't just from one spambox of course.

04:50:44 decimation: I would guess that most malware is trivally derived from some toolkit

04:51:00 asciilifeform: 80-90% of what i saw was a variation on some very tired theme.

04:51:10 asciilifeform: at least half the time - 'zeus' et al.

04:52:01 mircea_popescu: "It's hard to take any of his thoughts seriously when he says stuff like 'libertard', which isn't clear what that has to do with his main point, or if he means retarded liberal or libertarian."

04:52:24 mircea_popescu: /r/anarcho-stuff does not like me because it is not directly clear what side of a meaningless debate i favor!

04:54:34 decimation: in theory, a libertarian is in favor of freedom from the state, but in practice they generally find themselves to be enslaved by statist liberals

04:54:58 mircea_popescu: but notice the guy who essentially says, "i can not eat this butter because it doesn't come in a properly labelled box"

04:55:24 mircea_popescu: i have seen this irl, incidentally. lots of traditional products come in no box. such as smoked trout in pine leaf, or a certain type of cheese in pine bark

04:55:26 mircea_popescu: or on it goes.

04:55:42 mircea_popescu: i personally loathe labels and take them off pretty much everything, but apparently the converse mental condition also exists.

04:55:49 asciilifeform: srsly ?!!

04:55:51 mircea_popescu: "you're really good but we can't hire you because no diploma"

04:55:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ?

04:55:57 asciilifeform: diploma - sure

04:55:58 asciilifeform: cheese?

04:56:12 mircea_popescu: yep. you need nothing more than your own fucking nose to distinguish cheese.

04:56:41 asciilifeform: i was having this dispute with pet not long ago. whether anyone voluntarily eats synthetic cheese

04:57:01 mircea_popescu: ;;google brinza de burduf in scoarta de brad

04:57:01 asciilifeform: it finds its way into spots where its presence cannot be explained by mere pauperism

04:57:02 gribble: Bucegi Farm: http://www.ferma-bucegi.ro/en/; Ferma Bucegi: Branza de Burduf in coaja de brad: http://www.ferma-bucegi.ro/; Branza de burduf - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQzXWyxNmxo

04:57:11 asciilifeform: some folks, it appears, actually insist on it

04:57:20 asciilifeform: through childhood habit, brain damage, or some other cause

04:57:36 mircea_popescu: http://www.informal.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/burduf-3.jpg << this guy

04:57:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uL3MKH )

04:57:44 asciilifeform: incidentally (non-u.s. folks) if you visit usa and are offered 'american cheese' - run, not walk, to exit

04:58:06 decimation: asciilifeform: you wouldn't prefer a slice of 'velveeta' to a block of cheddar of known provenance?

04:58:21 asciilifeform: 'velveeta' iirc isn't even a dairy product

04:58:22 asciilifeform: 100% petro

04:58:45 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'velveeta' iirc isn't even a dairy product << Velveeta is totally a dairy byproduct

04:58:51 mircea_popescu: hm... i wonder how good of an anal lube it makes.

04:58:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's that made in? a pipe ?

04:58:58 decimation: nah I think it has milk in it

04:59:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a chunk of pine bark

04:59:18 asciilifeform: neato

04:59:21 *: asciilifeform wants

04:59:48 decimation: "In 2002, the FDA issued a Warning Letter to Kraft that Velveeta was being sold with packaging that described it as a "Pasteurized Process Cheese Spread",[8] which the FDA claimed was misbranded because the product declared milk protein concentrate (MPC) in its ingredients listing. Velveeta is now sold in the US as a "Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product",[9] a term for which the FDA does not maintain a standard of identity, and which

04:59:49 decimation: therefore may contain MPC."

05:00:10 asciilifeform: i've also seen term 'cheese food'

05:00:34 decimation: now, I doubt cheetos contain any actual cheese

05:00:46 BingoBoingo: Cheese food is a plentiful byproduct here.

05:02:01 decimation: I prefer a good sharp cheddar from the southwest uk

05:02:18 trinque: what's the opposite of eugenics?

05:02:22 trinque: that's what kraft is

05:02:47 asciilifeform: ;;ud cruft

05:02:47 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cruft | cruft. 1. The dust that gathers underneath a bed, 2. Shoddily constructed or made, 3. Bad code, 4. Accumulated physical or virtual junk. Jim had to spend several ...

05:03:02 trinque: anyone who thinks that's food is being slowly turned into a subspecies over the generations

05:03:02 asciilifeform: ^ specifically the substance that gathers in mice, keyboards

05:03:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150795 @ 0.00041315 = 62.301 BTC [+] {2}

05:04:08 trinque: ah dysgenics, makes sense

05:04:17 BingoBoingo: The greatest crime of American cheese is that it is radically overpriced as a nutritional measure of last resort.

05:04:59 cazalla: BingoBoingo, turn your adblocker off qntra.net and tell me what you think.. http://i.imgur.com/TW5xwBD.png

05:05:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIqBna )

05:05:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199700 @ 0.00042386 = 84.6448 BTC [+] {3}

05:05:46 trinque: paybase...walmart...bahahhaha

05:05:53 BingoBoingo: cazalla: That shoop must've taken time

05:06:52 cazalla: 5m if that

05:07:21 BingoBoingo: Well it demonstrates there is space.

05:08:34 trinque: I'd rather you do the fraudsters thing than put ads

05:08:56 BingoBoingo: Prolly not shooped https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u93qq/gaw_cloud_mining_disabled/

05:08:59 assbot: GAW Cloud Mining Disabled : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIrlbS )

05:08:59 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

05:09:03 gribble: Current Blocks: 341257 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44653742846.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.1915

05:11:49 BingoBoingo: trinque: There is an adspace we tested before. Just a square in the sidebar. The right offer could either get it back or banish it for some time.

05:12:20 trinque: yeah that works

05:13:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102647 @ 0.00044132 = 45.3002 BTC [+]

05:43:43 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vKR5rzTB << am i supposed to have installed boost?

05:43:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9Lvhj )

05:44:57 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995064

05:44:57 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:48:29; asciilifeform: 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)

05:45:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147565 @ 0.00043983 = 64.9035 BTC [-] {4}

05:47:03 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja miss the part about -cross- compiling

05:47:06 danielpbarron: ;;later tell GunPlay get in #bitcoin-assets (hide your ip first)

05:47:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:47:17 asciilifeform: build on actual computer.

05:47:29 danielpbarron: lol

05:47:33 danielpbarron: whoops

05:47:43 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html

05:47:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9M62D )

05:47:58 asciilifeform: don't need to install anything but the compiler & associated binutils.

05:48:05 asciilifeform: (under gentoo, single command)

05:48:21 asciilifeform: then download tarballs (you don't have to use the same ones i did, necessarily)

05:49:14 asciilifeform: recipe in comments in sh script.

05:50:05 asciilifeform: oh and avoid sd card for blockchain. it is terrible, no good, unusably slow

05:50:46 danielpbarron: i got a ssd sata drive, a 5400 rpm laptop thing, and a usb3 flashdrive to test

05:57:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11853 @ 0.00043815 = 5.1934 BTC [-]

06:00:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00042611 = 34.3019 BTC [-]

06:03:41 mod6: ;;ticker

06:03:42 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.0, Best ask: 228.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 228.05, 24 hour volume: 18587.89257310, 24 hour low: 225.52, 24 hour high: 244.98, 24 hour vwap: 233.253251665

06:09:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108800 @ 0.00041505 = 45.1574 BTC [-] {2}

06:09:38 mod6: $vwap s.mpoe

06:10:05 *: mod6 looks around

06:18:37 mircea_popescu: <trinque> what's the opposite of eugenics? << cacogenics i'd imagine.

06:19:14 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> BingoBoingo, turn your adblocker off qntra.net and tell me what you think.. http://i.imgur.com/TW5xwBD.png << dude wtf is that.

06:19:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIqBna )

06:21:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He shooped it. Mock up of how we'd look decked out like some other sites...

06:21:24 mircea_popescu: ah k

06:21:28 mircea_popescu: gave me a start

06:24:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132781 @ 0.00042987 = 57.0786 BTC [+]

06:27:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If he actually dicked with the precarious balance where we don't look like shit on mobile... I'da had some stronger words

06:30:17 BingoBoingo: I just can't wait for someone to dig up the shoop in 2 years and be like "Qntra advertised GAW" which will of course be refuted by the lol'ing here

06:30:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130200 @ 0.00043422 = 56.5354 BTC [+]

06:30:54 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

06:31:06 pete_dushenski: heyo amigo

06:31:24 BingoBoingo: Hey, pete_dushenski You given the new look Qntra a try?

06:31:35 *: pete_dushenski checking now

06:31:58 pete_dushenski: lol um... new?

06:32:04 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Check on mobile too.

06:32:26 BingoBoingo: But yeah, we also now gently suggest fonts your browser could use...

06:33:30 pete_dushenski: aic

06:33:44 pete_dushenski: ya i suppose the fonts are a little different

06:34:03 pete_dushenski: cool i guess

06:35:16 BingoBoingo: And the menus go to full width when kicked to the bottom on the mobile stuff. Iteration...

06:35:39 BingoBoingo: Also there's an easter egg in the stylesheet text.

06:36:10 pete_dushenski: hey ya not bad

06:37:36 BingoBoingo: For the next time I have to link someone the stylesheet because they don't believe it exists.

06:37:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35419 @ 0.00043367 = 15.3602 BTC [-]

06:38:12 pete_dushenski: lol

06:38:24 pete_dushenski: i'll get you next time, batman!

06:38:41 cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol trolled hard

06:38:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238608 @ 0.00040534 = 96.7174 BTC [-] {7}

06:38:53 mircea_popescu: totally

06:40:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.0003976 = 15.6654 BTC [-]

06:40:46 BingoBoingo: The whole site even validates as latest greatest while still working on actual browsers http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=qntra.net&doctype=Inline&charset=%28detect%20automatically%29&ucn_task=conformance#

06:40:49 assbot: Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9SVB7 )

06:41:11 pete_dushenski: "errors" : "Warning: The network does not appear to fully agree! Some miners appear to be experiencing issues." << huh

06:41:13 BingoBoingo: Even though W3c sucks

06:41:16 cazalla: for anyone not in the know, BingoBoingo's work was born of google complaining about our mobile site

06:41:47 pete_dushenski: wait, google bitched and you listened?

06:42:19 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Only listened because they were straight forward and not passive aggressive this time.

06:43:23 pete_dushenski: a sent you an email or something?

06:43:40 mircea_popescu: bitcoin went to safe mode ?

06:44:12 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> a sent you an email or something? << They indeed did

06:44:55 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mebbe ?

06:45:08 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

06:45:12 gribble: Current Blocks: 341263 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1456 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44219270086.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.13882

06:45:17 midnightmagic: trinque: I'm not from the US, dumbass.

06:45:46 cazalla: midnightmagic, shots fired! oh.. hang on a sec

06:46:08 mircea_popescu: davout: kakobrekla: dat true << yeh namechanging sucks.

06:46:21 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i was not gonna say anything.

06:46:57 midnightmagic: s/dumbass//

06:47:09 pete_dushenski: that was the error msg from my toy vps node running 0.9.0.3

06:47:26 pete_dushenski: still loading the chain actually. 2 days later at block : 322082

06:47:30 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski generally bitcoind goes into safe mode if it has a bad chain etc. proilly corrupted local data.

06:47:53 pete_dushenski: hm

06:48:15 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: apologies to you for my uncivil language.

06:48:51 mircea_popescu: form's never much of a big deal.

06:49:00 midnightmagic: k

06:49:01 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the resolution to safe mode being ... ?

06:49:06 trinque: my butt's not hurt

06:49:31 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski well the nuclear solution is wipe chain start sync over.

06:49:37 mircea_popescu: if it dun go away of its own volition

06:49:50 pete_dushenski: ok i'll give it some time

06:49:50 mircea_popescu: but look in debug.log see wtf.

06:50:49 mircea_popescu: jurov: yes. but if we put in expected difficulty instead of checkpoints << he actually has a very solid point.

06:51:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you feel like testing a 3rd approach, can you look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty ?

06:53:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: would be more economical to simply chop the connection << yup, that's why b) is in http://log.b-a.link/?date=31-01-2015#999477

06:53:54 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:13:36; mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"

06:55:50 pete_dushenski: : Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /root/.bitcoin. Bitcoin Core is probably already running.

06:56:22 mircea_popescu: well so stop one.

06:56:25 pete_dushenski: then it shut itself down

06:57:21 pete_dushenski: i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 ...

06:58:05 pete_dushenski: but clearly the supermagickuserfriendly core is a turd so i might as well just go for the real deal

06:58:07 mircea_popescu: "6. You are finished. Breath easy, and live your life in peace knowing you will never have to deal with us again."

06:58:35 mircea_popescu: lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ?

06:58:38 mircea_popescu: neat.

06:59:29 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ? << wHERE?

07:01:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00039747 = 2.6432 BTC [-] {2}

07:01:20 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-warn-bitcoin-extortion-letter-recipients-not-to-pay/#comment-8815

07:01:21 assbot: Police Warn Bitcoin Extortion Letter Recipients Not To Pay | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A9VrHx )

07:01:45 mircea_popescu: just the lulzof "you are finished". the unintentional open mouth insert foot style of prose.

07:02:07 BingoBoingo: aH

07:11:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115795 @ 0.00039487 = 45.724 BTC [-] {2}

07:13:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3428 @ 0.00040086 = 1.3741 BTC [+] {2}

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07:16:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193100 @ 0.00039098 = 75.4982 BTC [-] {2}

07:17:33 pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-warn-bitcoin-extortion-letter-recipients-not-to-pay/#comment-8818

07:17:33 assbot: Police Warn Bitcoin Extortion Letter Recipients Not To Pay | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVqlCp )

07:17:38 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just noticed that serena is through to the finals

07:19:48 BingoBoingo: Perlboy: Yeah, that's some bullshit. My Money's on Sharapova now, just enough to wipe the previous loss if wins.

07:21:01 mircea_popescu: "The astonishing truth is that despite millions of dollars and hundreds of academic careers psychiatry has made no progress in almost 20 years, let alone ten, a claim no other medical specialty can make, and the truth which cannot be spoken out loud. Hence an exam."

07:21:17 mircea_popescu: meanwhile "economy", another us pseudoscience, has made shocking progress the past 20 years :

07:21:31 mircea_popescu: austerity, the definitive solution to all the problems caused by inflation and loose money

07:21:43 mircea_popescu: is now the problem, to be definitivel solved by inflation and loose money.

07:21:52 mircea_popescu: so much progress could hardly fit in a single asshole.

07:22:30 pete_dushenski: thankfully, the number of people have inflated too

07:22:43 pete_dushenski: and each has at least one backdoor

07:23:02 mircea_popescu: "governance" - social "studies" - "earth science" - "economy" - "psychiatry" and "computer science"

07:23:19 mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the list of things the us has uncontributed to.

07:24:42 pete_dushenski: + public health

07:25:02 pete_dushenski: “The human mating system is extremely flexible,” Bernard Chapais of the University of Montreal wrote in a recent review in Evolutionary Anthropology. Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy.

07:25:22 mircea_popescu: that much is true.

07:25:59 mircea_popescu: there's probably a population somewhere in history that actually reproduced by flies carring sperm from splooge puddles into fetid snatches.

07:27:26 pete_dushenski: lol but of course, the retardosearchers go on to make unwarranted conclusions:

07:27:32 pete_dushenski: “Once monogamy has evolved, then male care is far more likely,” Dr. Opie said.

07:27:33 pete_dushenski: Once a monogamous primate father starts to stick around, he has the opportunity to raise the odds that his offspring will survive. He can carry them, groom their fur and protect them from attacks.

07:27:33 pete_dushenski: In our own lineage, however, fathers went further. They had evolved the ability to hunt and scavenge meat, and they were supplying some of that food to their children. “They may have gone beyond what is normal for monogamous primates,” said Dr. Opie.

07:27:34 pete_dushenski: The extra supply of protein and calories that human children started to receive is widely considered a watershed moment in our evolution. It could explain why we have brains far bigger than other mammals.

07:27:34 mircea_popescu: as far as the fabled 17% strictly monogamous cultures go... i very much doubt this ever happened. no culture in history was strictly monogamous for a strict definition of strictly.

07:27:36 pete_dushenski: Brains are hungry organs, demanding 20 times more calories than a similar piece of muscle. Only with a steady supply of energy-rich meat, Dr. Opie suggests, were we able to evolve big brains — and all the mental capacities that come with it.

07:27:38 pete_dushenski: Because of monogamy, Dr. Opie said, “This could be how humans were able to push through a ceiling in terms of brain size.”

07:27:51 mircea_popescu: absolute nonsense.

07:28:30 pete_dushenski: this is what taxdollars get you

07:29:17 mircea_popescu: actually i've not paid any tax dollars, but i appreciate teh intent.

07:30:16 mircea_popescu: in any case ; meat is not particularly energetic. fat is, but fat is widely available outside of animals : one could for instance eat nothing but aguacate and become really really smart - except it doesn't work in practice.

07:30:42 pete_dushenski: at least not for south americans

07:30:46 mircea_popescu: so... this guy is discussing interesting and otherwise important matters with all the astuteness of a virgin 15 yo girl from nantucket.

07:30:51 pete_dushenski: but maybe if we keep trying!

07:31:05 mircea_popescu: actually... i guess bernard chapais actually is a 15 yo from nantucket.

07:31:18 mircea_popescu: in any case there's no way to tell the difference.

07:32:53 mircea_popescu: for that matter, brain size per se is not well related to energetic consumption, nor to cognitive function for that matter. whales have some of the largest brains in the animalia kingdom, and somehow they're not writing stupid papers about 15yo virgin prisses.

07:33:08 pete_dushenski: it's not at all clear that larger brains are the function of a social behaviour, nor why they should be

07:33:36 pete_dushenski: right. size isn't the difference.

07:34:18 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e3908b614075918afd6d8f4e5ee1d839/tumblr_mu89pmypXh1rjh6r0o1_500.jpg

07:34:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvM8Dw )

07:34:40 pete_dushenski: it's where the brain is bigger, not just that it's bigger, that's differentiating

07:34:54 pete_dushenski: plus gyri, sulci

07:36:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24212 @ 0.00040904 = 9.9037 BTC [+]

07:42:45 punkman: total scam http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1219749240

07:43:26 punkman: re: kendra sunderland, she's just being topless

07:44:58 pete_dushenski: who's she again?

07:45:12 mircea_popescu: steph kegels wanna-be

07:45:31 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999495

07:45:31 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:30:10; hanbot: friendly reminder to not go to the library horny: http://www.inquisitr.com/1802797/kendra-sunderland-admits-to-filming-library-sex-video/

07:48:39 pete_dushenski: aok so basically random no one is being charged for trespassing on campus property

07:48:52 pete_dushenski: not quite as bad as this poor old man:

07:48:53 pete_dushenski: Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni, 79, a physicist and naturalized citizen from Argentina, pleaded guilty in 2013 to espionage-related offenses stemming from a sting in which he told an undercover agent that he could help the Caracas government obtain an atomic bomb, according to the F.B.I. and court records.

07:49:15 pete_dushenski: dude just got 5 years

07:50:45 mircea_popescu: !up p15

07:50:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113608 @ 0.0003868 = 43.9436 BTC [-] {2}

07:51:57 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this scam pops up now and again, the sort of salesmen that poach on old ladies selling them 55's years worth of toilet paper supplies and 19 organs join the fbi and proceed to "catch" old / mentally disabled / minorities and other vulnerable people at you know, trying to buy badbombium

07:52:40 mircea_popescu: then completely insane commanding officers fail to sack them and completely insane judges fail to throw the thing out and hold the idiots in contempt for a few years at a stretch.

07:53:51 pete_dushenski: i mean it's one thing to keep an old lady company for a few years, take her to dinner, to the doctor's, end up in her will

07:54:05 pete_dushenski: but this is pretty low

07:54:25 pete_dushenski: but hey, gotta expect it from the fbi, right?

07:55:12 mircea_popescu: no time to cook dinner anymore, mcd's gotta do. "i ordered takeout. what ?! it's still effort!"

07:57:44 pete_dushenski: so is breathing

07:58:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00039325 = 37.0835 BTC [+] {2}

08:12:59 pete_dushenski: so reddit sez davout = karpeles nao

08:13:00 pete_dushenski: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/cnwhzlv

08:13:00 assbot: Mark_Karpeles_ comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwbzqW )

08:13:50 pete_dushenski: lol mebbe dread pirate est francaise aussi ?

08:16:09 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

08:22:28 Vexual: reddit also says hashie is tradefortress

08:23:48 pete_dushenski: and that down is up

08:23:56 pete_dushenski: and that capitalism is in crisis

08:24:28 pete_dushenski: and that b-a is under a musty dark bridge somewhere

08:24:36 pete_dushenski: etc

08:27:28 Vexual: so where drowned is the same as drowning, we might ise 1/30 s and the smallest apeture, an da neutral filer to suit

08:30:21 Vexual: make it look all dreamy and nice

08:32:05 Vexual: top logs

08:32:42 pete_dushenski: tippity

08:33:22 Vexual: im entirely adverese to ruinin git with music

08:33:54 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: all yours: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/#comment-9375

08:33:55 assbot: How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVuarw )

08:33:55 Vexual: ill misspell instead

08:39:58 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski derps.

08:41:05 mircea_popescu: also, the problem of jooz is very simple :

08:41:07 mircea_popescu: their mother.

08:41:33 pete_dushenski: go on...

08:41:45 mircea_popescu: no, that's it.

08:42:46 pete_dushenski: i get the stereotype: naggy and whatnot

08:43:22 pete_dushenski: but that doesn't mean author x is going to stake his claim on a stereotype

08:43:59 mircea_popescu: nah, that's not it.

08:44:45 mircea_popescu: well first off, you introduced a stereotype by discussing jews, so we're going to do stereotypes.

08:45:12 mircea_popescu: how the hell are you going to discuss "jews" unstereotypically.

08:45:27 mircea_popescu: jurov btw re dicelist : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boggle

08:45:29 assbot: Boggle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVuJ4y )

08:46:47 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's a point i suppose. but "stupid people" are subject to the same

08:47:03 pete_dushenski: even if the specific vices thereof are a matter of perspective

08:47:04 mircea_popescu: nah, there's no stereotype of stupidity.

08:47:20 mircea_popescu: see, there's a stereotype of a dumb blonde, there isn't a stereotype of a hot blonde.

08:49:11 pete_dushenski: the stereotype of the hot blonde is that she's out of your league

08:49:33 mircea_popescu: even if they're both meaningful constructions, they're not both stereotypical constructions. a good test being, of course, translation.

08:49:37 pete_dushenski: and that she's surrounded by a moat of friends

08:50:13 mircea_popescu: there's a lot more to it than that. big boobs, tall, a certain mouth shape...

08:50:36 mircea_popescu: she dun has to be surrounded by friends, heck, she's often alone, protected by the magic of her idiot ball

08:51:23 pete_dushenski: maybe she's alone for a minute

08:51:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, stereotypy's mostly a literary device. the poor man's term of art, if you will.

08:52:56 pete_dushenski: so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ?

08:53:01 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6_T48zd8zg

08:53:02 assbot: Sometimes you make a mistake - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVv6ff )

08:53:30 pete_dushenski: i guess i just think that people would actually read such a thing

08:53:35 pete_dushenski: maybe because you wrote it

08:53:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the problems of the stereotypical jew : same problem as shared by all middle eastern cultures, from bulgaria to iran : that the woman is overimportant in the culture. unlike the other eastern cultures however, the jew has very little means to address this problem. can't quite start stoning innocent girls in the road.

08:53:40 pete_dushenski: maybe because it's on fraudsters

08:53:50 mircea_popescu: and so, he's stuck with liberal binging

08:54:36 pete_dushenski: liberal, if capitalist, binging

08:54:52 pete_dushenski: make $$ now, give it away when dead

08:54:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00039596 = 11.3245 BTC [+]

08:55:01 mircea_popescu: myeah. "frantic exertion as a decoy for impotence", as teh tlp guy likes to say

08:56:01 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol the narrator makes it

08:56:55 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-q_XCDDUF8 << whale's made a video about what mistakes seagulls make.

08:56:56 assbot: Biggest Mistakes Aspiring Models Make | Modeling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWt5R0 )

08:58:18 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ? << which term ? and nah, it doesn't.

08:58:43 pete_dushenski: the term: stereotype

09:02:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, to save teh noobs : in no case am i proposing that the bizarro atrocities of the muslims, stereotypically grouped above under " stoning innocent girls in the road" are an effectual approach to the problem [of overrepresentation of woman in their own mental space]. it clearly doesn't work, but then again it's clearly what they're trying. and obviously it's not the god damned women's fault that dudes are all hang

09:02:06 mircea_popescu: up on them, conceptually, either.

09:02:55 pete_dushenski: lol

09:03:46 pete_dushenski: the efforts of moslems maybe "clearly doesn't work" at the superficial intention, but it seems to be successful a recruiting new folks

09:04:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127364 @ 0.00039244 = 49.9827 BTC [-]

09:04:11 mircea_popescu: eh, recruiting boys to do something sutpid is like finding flies to go on shit.

09:04:45 pete_dushenski: well them islam has the stankiest stink because it's attracting hordes of 'em

09:05:23 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nevertheless, examine teh devices side by side. muslim boy is like "you must wear the tablecloth on your head lest there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head". jew boy is like "mom you must not be disappointed in me or else there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head"

09:05:32 mircea_popescu: it's really not THAT different. which is why they fucking hate each other.

09:06:39 pete_dushenski: that old competition for scarce resources

09:06:45 pete_dushenski: but instead of water or oil

09:06:51 pete_dushenski: it's women to be scared of

09:07:11 mircea_popescu: more like "the right way to treat neurosis with home remedies"

09:07:14 pete_dushenski: "this is why you should be scared" "no it's not! it's this!"

09:07:20 mircea_popescu: obviously, there can only be one.

09:07:32 pete_dushenski: lol

09:08:03 pete_dushenski: tiger penis soup or cockroach bungholes

09:08:05 pete_dushenski: take your pick

09:08:18 mircea_popescu: but honestly, either beats the english "if you ever enjoy anything you will die" nonsense.

09:08:38 mircea_popescu: it's shocking how the stupidest of european peoples managed to steal and run off with the stupidest corner of jewish religion

09:09:25 mircea_popescu: it's almost like explorer found ancient tomb, ran off with ancient pee bowl. as a hat.

09:09:27 pete_dushenski: the peg fit the hole i guess

09:09:44 pete_dushenski: as it always does

09:10:23 mircea_popescu: as george costanza once said, "if there's a pinhead in the crowd, i gotta be on top of it"

09:12:29 pete_dushenski: and as home simpson once said, "this is the snack holder where i can put my beverage, or, if you will, cupcake

09:13:03 pete_dushenski: homer*

09:13:08 mircea_popescu: lol. anyways, im off. take it ezzy

09:13:20 pete_dushenski: bon soir

09:16:13 punkman: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150130-the-man-who-studies-evil

09:16:13 assbot: BBC - Future - Psychology: the man who studies everyday evil ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWvevY )

09:24:12 pete_dushenski: “Human society is so complex that there are different ways of enhancing your reproductive success – some involve being nice and some being nasty,”

09:26:13 pete_dushenski: In some situations, ruthlessness may be necessary. “To be prime minister, you can’t be namby pamby – you need to cut corners and hurt people, and even be nasty to achieve your moral causes,” he says. After all, the dark personalities often have the impulse and the confidence to get things done –even Mother Theresa apparently had a steely side, he says. “You’re not going to help

09:26:13 pete_dushenski: society by sitting at home being nice.”

09:26:28 pete_dushenski: this is teh take-home point for reddit

09:26:42 pete_dushenski: the community will spin in circles being nice to one another

09:27:52 pete_dushenski: the leaders will not be nice just because of feelings

09:32:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00039401 = 30.7131 BTC [+]

09:32:43 punkman: http://cordialminuet.com/

09:32:44 assbot: CORDIAL MINUET ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWx28a )

09:39:24 punkman: ^ needs remake with btc

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10:21:20 jurov: midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: i don't see the bash as place to put mollification statements, they need to be funnier. it's in the log already, just have the url handy at all times

10:21:49 jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise

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10:30:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1662 @ 0.00094999 = 1.5789 BTC [-]

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10:40:29 punkman: http://thecastledoctrine.net/buy.php

10:40:30 assbot: The Castle Doctrine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cl3G4y )

10:40:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9649 @ 0.00037154 = 3.585 BTC [-]

10:41:13 punkman: same author as cordialminuet, Jason Rohrer.

10:41:22 punkman: he's made some interesting games

10:41:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115238 @ 0.00036886 = 42.5067 BTC [-] {3}

10:47:29 punkman: http://thecastledoctrine.net/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=2157

10:47:30 assbot: Changing the direction of the game (and v9 released) (Page 1) / News / The Castle Doctrine Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqKYVu )

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14:37:13 mats: wow, rcons is awesome compared to ncurses, wtf

14:38:52 mats: portable, small code base, no special compilations to support mice and certain colors, supports html output, supports truecolor on all platforms

14:39:28 *: mats cheers

14:41:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00038385 = 12.2448 BTC [+]

14:50:56 PeterL: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/police-offer-well-surveilled-online-exchange-zone/ second paragraph, s/dan/and

14:50:56 assbot: Police Offer Well Surveilled "Online Exchange Zone" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/18Dba6r )

14:51:37 coderwill: anyone looking for a frontend dev / ux designer in here? i'm trying to find identify and hopefully work with more closely aligned people in 2015 - without moving. :)

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16:09:22 TomServo: !up wpalczynski

16:10:57 wpalczynski: Hi!

16:11:21 TomServo: Ahoy!

16:11:34 danielpbarron: oh hey it's a monero guy!

16:13:48 wpalczynski: yup :)

16:36:41 mats: get in the wot, yo.

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17:12:24 ben_vulpes: buenos dias

17:37:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39280 @ 0.0003816 = 14.9892 BTC [-]

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17:41:48 mod6: !t m s.mpoe

17:41:48 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0003293 / 0.00039592 / 0.00044337 (6182344 shares, 2,447.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00042314 / 0.00053193 (14651525 shares, 6,199.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00049707 / 0.00068113 (43044769 shares, 21,396.27 BTC)

17:41:57 mod6: such vol

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17:47:11 ben_vulpes: "I feel bad suggesting that we limit the block size at all," << there. another knife.

17:48:06 ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics.

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17:52:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79690 @ 0.00038133 = 30.3882 BTC [-]

18:04:09 mircea_popescu: ;;isup blockchain.info

18:04:11 gribble: blockchain.info is up

18:04:37 mircea_popescu: orly

18:04:38 mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3

18:04:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIweod )

18:04:46 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/CsIJGkz.jpg

18:04:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIweV4 )

18:06:02 mircea_popescu: lol

18:09:55 ben_vulpes: huh

18:10:09 ben_vulpes: for some reason the "upload a public key" feature for aws has gone missing.

18:10:11 ben_vulpes: SUBTERFUGE

18:15:00 mats: o noes

18:16:32 mircea_popescu: jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise << i thought it was pretty funny.

18:18:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics. <<< that's not even it. a princeton graduate that lives in amherst mass and has suckled the usg privilege tit all his life to the exclusion of anything else is going to make it so we can't verify bitcoin transactions or integrity anymore in order to "save africa" by allowing them microtransactions they don't either nee

18:18:38 mircea_popescu: d or intend to use.

18:19:30 mircea_popescu: a more laughably clear cut of usg-ism i've never seen, and it's utter defeat and public ridicule will do a lot not only to preserve bitcoin as "the noose that hangs the usg", but moreover as a focal point for all people who would rather live an actual life.

18:21:23 mircea_popescu: this isn't about one idiot guy going around at parties dressed up as satoshi. this is about how americanism failed and fails, at home and abroad.

18:21:57 mircea_popescu: time for something new and something better than "let's break everything so some black guy i've imagined feels better about his life".

18:22:07 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-worm/

18:28:17 mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uadvd/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/

18:28:18 assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIyjAo )

18:28:23 mats: kek

18:30:01 mats: The reddit wallet, should it have existed, had absolutely enormous potential. The goal was to make it really easy for redditors to have and transact in digital assets, particularly bitcoin, dogecoin, and reddit notes, as well as any other assets using whatever protocol we ultimately used for reddit notes (probably colored coins or sidechains).

18:31:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158100 @ 0.00037428 = 59.1737 BTC [-] {2}

18:36:38 jurov: i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre

18:39:45 mthreat: greetings from Livingston Island, Antarctica

18:39:56 mthreat: well, from the boat at the moment

18:40:18 jurov: wave to penguins

18:40:19 ben_vulpes: pics! nao!

18:40:43 mthreat: slow internet, i may be able to get 1 pic up

18:41:05 mthreat: but it probably is the same as all the other pics out there :)

18:41:13 mthreat: and penguin shit stinks

18:48:29 mircea_popescu: jurov no biggy

18:48:32 mircea_popescu: hey mthreat !

18:50:23 mircea_popescu: mats redditors transacting, enormous potential, top kek.

18:50:56 []bot: Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.38179557 BTC. Current weight: 52,784.

18:51:37 asciilifeform: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: 11DbException \nDb::get: Cannot allocate memory \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n"

18:51:45 asciilifeform: ^ new type of perma-wedge

18:52:04 mircea_popescu: aga

18:52:15 mircea_popescu: which one asciilifeform ?

18:52:20 asciilifeform: pogo

18:52:36 asciilifeform: bastard node, is going strong

18:52:50 asciilifeform: interestingly, this did not kill the process

18:52:55 asciilifeform: it just sits.

18:53:44 asciilifeform: i conjecture - corrupted db

18:53:49 asciilifeform: one too many shots.

18:54:43 mircea_popescu: nah, this is actually a known 2011 issue. that was obv never fixed

18:54:47 mircea_popescu: "get more memory!11"

18:54:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, can you kill it ?

18:54:58 BingoBoingo: jurov> i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre << Same here

18:55:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84210 @ 0.00038117 = 32.0983 BTC [+]

18:55:53 asciilifeform: killed, restarted

18:56:20 trinque: BingoBoingo: later yelled at me that he wasn't american, and also leave britney alone

18:56:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the march fork yielded a lot of that too

18:57:10 asciilifeform: bastard node is running under 'valgrind', incidentally

18:57:34 asciilifeform: ~12h now

18:57:35 mircea_popescu: good move.

18:57:39 mircea_popescu: what count is it on ?

18:57:51 asciilifeform: 195517

18:58:20 *: asciilifeform off for tea time, brb

18:59:22 pete_dushenski: scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/31/on-pretending-googling-is-still-a-thing-that-works/

18:59:23 assbot: On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwLHJ0 )

18:59:58 pete_dushenski: that said, i'm heading out for a walk. bbl

19:01:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67050 @ 0.00038117 = 25.5574 BTC [+]

19:04:35 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/

19:04:46 punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8977177

19:04:47 assbot: Why I hate Google, or some thoughts about “open” technologies | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwMo53 )

19:10:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00038117 = 11.1111 BTC [+]

19:12:04 mircea_popescu: guy has a very strange idea as to what open means.

19:12:08 mircea_popescu: nothing google ever made was open.

19:13:22 fluffypony: yeah

19:13:23 punkman: he's talking about the open source stuff

19:13:45 mircea_popescu: except it's not.

19:13:51 fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours

19:14:12 fluffypony: eg. I don't think they created Go or AngularJS because they felt benevolent

19:14:15 mircea_popescu: just because google has been measurably more successful at embrace, extend and extinguish foss than say microsoft

19:14:19 mircea_popescu: does not make it part of foss.

19:22:49 cazalla: BingoBoingo, serina eh :P

19:23:01 BingoBoingo: Fuck

19:26:33 cazalla: clearly you've never heard the saying "always bet on black"

19:27:28 mircea_popescu: lol

19:27:39 mircea_popescu: he lost eh ?

19:27:54 mircea_popescu: o wow check out all the s.mpoe action

19:28:39 asciilifeform: it's perma-wedged, in db state.

19:30:20 cazalla: mircea_popescu, twice i believe

19:30:34 asciilifeform: 'So, I have a question - why do we need such an OPEN technologies, that can be BLOCKED tomorrow? Today - it's me, but who knows what will happen tomorrow, and which countries or companies will decide to block their, so called open, tools that you use.'

19:30:46 asciilifeform: ^ cloud111!!!!111

19:31:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm still all time +ev against serena, but it always stings losing in the now. Nice Shitbrain worm >> Ascaris cerebrofoetida

19:31:18 cazalla: BingoBoingo, who are you figuring to win tonight? djokovic or murray? i want to bet opposite to you :P

19:31:26 mats: mr magic is worried about being gassed by agents of the enemy

19:31:50 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I don't really know men's tennis. Kind of a sport for the girlies.

19:32:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo evil eh

19:32:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis.

19:33:27 asciilifeform: perma-wedge - silently hangs on restart

19:33:30 asciilifeform: with no output.

19:33:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More the sort of necessary evil that would need invented.

19:35:06 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you know it's tenis not penis. << Ah, phonics gets me again

19:38:47 asciilifeform: worm tale << see also short story 'the moral virologist' (greg egan)

19:38:56 asciilifeform: sorta opposite.

19:39:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00037407 = 13.7471 BTC [-] {2}

19:50:03 ben_vulpes: conformal, btcd, compiling << btcd won't even compile on a vps with ~600 mb of ram. OOM kill.

19:50:21 ben_vulpes: turdlang indeed.

19:50:42 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see thread from hour ago

19:50:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: google and 'open'

19:51:27 fluffypony: don't you just run Go apps, without precompiling them?

19:51:38 asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you-

19:52:07 ben_vulpes: fluffypony: "go get ..."

19:52:18 fluffypony: that just fetches deps

19:52:18 asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor

19:52:19 ben_vulpes: i'm no expert with their ecosystem, so i may be doing it wrong.

19:52:45 asciilifeform: the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start'

19:53:00 fluffypony: I have an API for a service I run that is written in Go, and that's 'go server.go', no compiling

19:53:01 mod6: ha

19:53:08 asciilifeform: i've been there. was a die-hard user of 'mathematica' for some years

19:53:11 asciilifeform: quitting - was agony.

19:53:36 hanbot: that's why you were so aghast over gossipd.go?

19:53:44 asciilifeform: aha

19:55:06 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746 << quitting mathematica dope

19:55:08 assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1DidCsf )

19:55:53 hanbot: i guess that's a highlight for artifexd

19:56:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00036757 = 28.4132 BTC [-]

19:56:53 ben_vulpes: fluffypony: doesn't really cover the apparently epic dependency graph of btcd

19:57:09 *: ben_vulpes is trying to decide how much he cares about running btcd

19:57:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1615 @ 0.00095998 = 1.5504 BTC [+]

19:58:06 asciilifeform: in other news,

19:58:07 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/231ZHHC

19:58:09 assbot: dpaste: 231ZHHC: valgrind output of bastard node. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Die6yC )

19:59:02 asciilifeform: compare with: http://dpaste.com/1T8RSCJ << classical

19:59:03 assbot: dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1DiehcZ )

19:59:27 asciilifeform: classical: 'definitely lost'

19:59:38 asciilifeform: bastard: 'possibly lost'

19:59:42 asciilifeform: clever bugger.

20:01:51 punkman: heh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8977021

20:01:52 assbot: Ask HN: Someone raised money by claiming my project as their own | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIHy3s )

20:02:50 punkman: "open source as long as the chinese don't copy it"

20:05:18 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xfzJYMNJ <-- any suggestions?

20:05:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dift07 )

20:05:38 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what were you building on ?

20:05:44 danielpbarron: might be my crappy laptop; i may just make a fresh gentoo install just for this

20:06:19 danielpbarron: ubuntu 12.w/e :/

20:06:27 asciilifeform: what cross-compiler ?

20:07:11 danielpbarron: arm-linux-gnueabi

20:07:25 asciilifeform: first of all, has to be armv5

20:07:37 danielpbarron: ah hah!

20:07:37 asciilifeform: second - were you using the build script exactly as given ?

20:08:16 danielpbarron: the auto.sh one?

20:08:23 danielpbarron: no, it's modified slightly

20:08:28 asciilifeform: how?

20:09:22 danielpbarron: to change that prefix

20:09:36 danielpbarron: and i had to add "sudo" the make install of BDB

20:09:40 danielpbarron: for some reason

20:09:46 danielpbarron: maybe related to this other thing you pointed out

20:10:13 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: ahahahaha

20:10:24 asciilifeform: you probably installed bdb systemwide

20:10:29 asciilifeform: instead of local dir as specified in recipe

20:10:33 asciilifeform: same for boost

20:10:33 danielpbarron: it already was

20:10:42 asciilifeform: recipe -specifically- calls for local install

20:10:49 asciilifeform: it's a deterministic build

20:10:54 danielpbarron: right i get that

20:10:55 asciilifeform: which means, 'all that's mine i carry with me'

20:10:58 asciilifeform: like a snail.

20:11:53 asciilifeform: and should very certainly not need sudo-anything

20:12:06 asciilifeform: that's a sure symptom that it was unable to install to specified local dir

20:12:08 asciilifeform: did you create the latter ?

20:12:18 asciilifeform: 'ourlibs'

20:12:24 danielpbarron: yep

20:13:05 asciilifeform: what do you get if removed 'sudo' ?

20:13:08 asciilifeform: post output.

20:13:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: had typo when restart of wedged pogo, it actually does restart

20:14:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but it reliably dies with:

20:14:54 asciilifeform: ************************

20:14:54 asciilifeform: EXCEPTION: 11DbException

20:14:54 asciilifeform: Db::get: Cannot allocate memory

20:14:54 asciilifeform: bitcoin in ProcessMessage()

20:14:54 asciilifeform: ProcessMessage(block, 72417 bytes) FAILED

20:14:55 asciilifeform: received block 00000000000003c67a87

20:14:57 asciilifeform: REORGANIZE

20:16:18 asciilifeform: ^ essentially, exhausts ram on boot

20:16:53 asciilifeform: as soon as loads even one block.

20:17:07 asciilifeform: bdb cache?

20:17:21 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tm3s2qMy

20:17:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIIXai )

20:17:48 asciilifeform: ./distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory

20:17:53 asciilifeform: ^ you don't have it?

20:18:21 danielpbarron: that's not the problem; the script doesn't change directory properly after the permission error

20:18:35 danielpbarron: i do have all the tarballs

20:19:19 asciilifeform: remove all the intermediate crap and post output from fresh run

20:19:46 asciilifeform: as in, run with just the tarballs and the required empty dir.

20:19:54 danielpbarron: what about armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi ?

20:19:57 asciilifeform: remember that this is not a 'makefile' and it's brick-stupid

20:20:04 asciilifeform: expects exactly empty start

20:22:49 asciilifeform: gotta go, will be back in a few hrs.

20:23:46 danielpbarron: thank you for the pointers

20:25:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's trying to do a chain reorg and failing.

20:27:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform go can be statically compiled can it not ?

20:28:38 mircea_popescu: definitely lost: 22,000 bytes in 250 blocks indirectly lost: 360,903 bytes in 10 blocks possibly lost: 90,514,354 bytes in 256 blocks 115,924,858 bytes in 450,368 blocks << this is the fucking sorriest report, like it's cs 101 over here.

20:35:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126850 @ 0.00036757 = 46.6263 BTC [-]

20:41:47 mircea_popescu: "Now i see. Gavin announced chaos and drama to the press because he himself intends to create it. He gets a 30% veto and still wants to proceed. It's gonna rip. I just switched to Litecoin."

20:42:04 mircea_popescu: heh. the first part is true, obviously. not so sure about the 2nd. bitcoin is after all based on drama and lulz.

20:43:12 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where did you read that?

20:43:54 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10322233#msg10322233

20:43:55 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILlxP )

20:45:35 thestringpuller: ty

20:45:51 thestringpuller: srsly 502 bad gateway?!?

20:46:05 thestringpuller: theymos!!!

20:46:29 mircea_popescu: lol

20:46:49 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/ down too apparently.

20:46:50 assbot: Bitcointa.lk: the Bitcointalk community with a proper forum | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILBwQ )

20:46:54 mircea_popescu: hm.

20:47:21 thestringpuller: this is exactly why we can't have nice things

20:47:59 danielpbarron: interesting timing

20:48:26 mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=Bitcoin+20MB+Fork&complete=0 this is pretty lulzy.

20:48:28 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1zILKAj )

20:48:42 mircea_popescu: qntra and derivatives totally dominates teh discussion.

20:48:50 mircea_popescu: clearly usg has like a majority and shit.

20:50:06 thestringpuller: dude

20:50:12 thestringpuller: bullbear stole my fucking title

20:50:35 thestringpuller: https://bullbearanalytics.com/2015/01/23/looming-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << lol

20:50:38 mircea_popescu: tell him.

20:50:47 thestringpuller: oh he referenced me

20:50:50 thestringpuller: well qntra

20:50:58 thestringpuller: haha cazalla and i spitballed for hours on the title XD

20:51:14 mircea_popescu: not really linked it, which is weird mfa sorta behaviour.

20:51:26 thestringpuller: one of them iirc was "Gavin Proposes Pooping Out New Fork"

20:52:13 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Tell then their link doesn't work. A url encased in parenthesis can not be clicked.

20:52:17 danielpbarron: i like the old thread title of "fork off"

20:52:55 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: yea. i wish I was that clever.

20:57:10 thestringpuller: It's like trying to replace the wheels on an old steam engine that's still running.

20:57:13 thestringpuller: This is gonna be some ride for the folks back in 3rd class.

20:57:17 thestringpuller: ^- from cache of link

20:58:36 *: BingoBoingo appreciates that my doubt an edgerouter with 512 MB of RAM could make a Bitcoin node and a week later a serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive direction.

20:59:14 mircea_popescu: tell me about it.

21:00:06 ben_vulpes: it's downright heartwarming

21:01:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00036757 = 16.3569 BTC [-]

21:01:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.00096835 = 1.9716 BTC [+] {6}

21:04:35 ben_vulpes: i sent one of the guys out to get me a cheese yesterday. "cheddar, sharp, really solid, aged."

21:04:42 ben_vulpes: came back with tillamook extra sharp.

21:04:43 ben_vulpes: *sigh*

21:05:18 ben_vulpes: i do so love nasty stinky cheeses

21:06:10 BingoBoingo: !up cjc

21:06:49 cjc: Thanks for the voice -- managed to discover this channel while reading an article critical of increasing the block size.

21:07:14 ben_vulpes: cjc: which article?

21:07:16 cjc: Figured the discussions herein may be worth my idling.

21:07:28 ben_vulpes: cjc: there's also log.bitcoin-assets.com

21:07:35 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> i do so love nasty stinky cheeses << Hypothesis, functionally smarter people prefer cheese with more smell because it indicates the presence of more, varied catecholamine precursors the brain craves.

21:07:53 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: interesting hypothesis

21:08:05 ben_vulpes: cjc: wouldn't stand for "chicago journal of commerce" by any chance?

21:08:10 mircea_popescu: lol.

21:08:20 mircea_popescu: cjc read the logs, linked in topic. there's a search function too.

21:09:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.000367 = 19.9465 BTC [-] {2}

21:09:53 cjc: ben_vulpes, This article and the comments and links within it. -> http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/

21:09:54 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zINIRn )

21:10:21 mircea_popescu: that'd be pete_dushenski

21:10:26 cjc: mircea_popescu, thank you :)

21:11:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself.

21:11:15 cjc: ben_vulpes, no cjc are merely my initials.

21:11:21 cjc: /msg NickServ INFO cjc

21:11:43 cjc: I've also nabbed the first/last initials as a nick and grouped them too.

21:12:39 mircea_popescu: cjc since you've apparently been around for a while : any merit to teh rumous of freenode slowly going to shit ?

21:12:41 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself. << I've accepted that the American conditioning to remove all the flavors if it isn't explicitly done to cultivate stupid, continues with stupid accepted as a positive side effect.

21:14:27 cjc: mircea_popescu, The node I connect to in Chicago has been down inconveniently quite a bit in 2014, morgan.freenode.net. My observation of #freenode staffer availability in the past two months has been it is hit or miss for new users requesting cloaks and such.

21:14:42 mircea_popescu: meant more like over the past half decade.

21:15:12 cjc: Yes, when I started coming here before I registered my nick in 2003 --

21:15:22 cjc: There were developers here and like minded people seeking collaboration.

21:15:40 cjc: We now find many more casual users with a "multi-chat" Facebook type desire to use the network.

21:16:06 cjc: Its not really held up to the focus as established, perhaps due to insufficient moderation or self enforcement.

21:16:09 cjc: What are your thoughts?

21:16:38 mircea_popescu: seems to me kinda drifting without rudder, hoping it won't meet any serious icebergs.

21:19:00 cjc: Frankly, Freenode would be akin to one of the last standing freenets of the early 90s. If there was ever a problem with regard to insufficient support for the network monetarily --

21:19:30 cjc: I do not believe there would be a problem soliciting donations from users who find this the place to host their projects and to meet and talk with others about the same.

21:20:09 cjc: Channel population hasn't changed too dramatically in the last decade in #gentoo where I spend most of my time.

21:20:20 thestringpuller: lol gentoo

21:20:38 mircea_popescu: there was recently a problem with a nsa infiltration that's still being "investigated".

21:20:56 mircea_popescu: there's more to money than just getting five thousand people to send you ten bux.

21:21:00 thestringpuller: http://xkcd.com/456/ << relevant xkcd

21:22:08 cjc: lol, yes its an obsessive compulsive compatible OS

21:22:28 mircea_popescu: but it doesn;t have to be!!

21:22:37 cjc: mircea_popescu, I did not apparently catch the news with regard to NSA infiltration.

21:22:56 cjc: I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the issues I experienced with morgan.freenode.net this year.

21:23:03 mircea_popescu: http://blog.freenode.net/2014/10/server-issues-update/

21:23:04 assbot: Server Issues: Update | staffblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGv9Z4 )

21:23:16 danielpbarron: lol thestringpuller, that last frame was me last night :/

21:23:31 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/mcdonalds-creates-limited-redemption-altcoin/

21:23:43 thestringpuller: LOL

21:23:49 thestringpuller: this i must read

21:23:56 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: what were you compiling into your kernel?

21:23:58 cjc: I do recall this article now that you mention it.

21:24:10 danielpbarron: trying to get bitcoind to compile

21:24:27 danielpbarron: "this time i'll work and then i can sleep"

21:24:30 danielpbarron: it'll*

21:24:45 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron welcome to engineering.

21:24:49 mircea_popescu: this is how this profession goes.

21:25:07 mircea_popescu: (doctors don't sleep either. allegedly for different reasons._)

21:25:33 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: doctors have you know...drugs

21:26:19 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 217 @ 0.00489784 = 1.0628 BTC [+] {2}

21:30:28 cjc: How does BingoBoingo work, am I grand a 30 minute one time voice in the channel and then able to simply lurk?

21:30:42 cjc: s/grand/granted/

21:30:47 BingoBoingo: lol I'm a bot again!

21:30:52 BingoBoingo: !b 3

21:30:53 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17A3Y24.txt )

21:30:53 mircea_popescu: lol

21:30:57 BingoBoingo: !up cjc

21:31:00 mircea_popescu: haha spoiled oyur bash too.

21:31:19 mircea_popescu: cjc if you're in assbot's wot, you get to voice yourself. if not, people who are can voice you in half hour chunks.

21:31:27 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot BingoBoingo

21:31:28 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/BingoBoingo | http://w.b-a.link/user/BingoBoingo

21:31:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nope http://dpaste.com/17A3Y24.txt

21:31:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPq5d )

21:31:32 mircea_popescu: like that.

21:32:12 cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo :)

21:32:28 mircea_popescu: cjc see also http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ and perhaps http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/

21:32:28 assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPuSm )

21:32:29 assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/13Yy3yb )

21:34:23 BingoBoingo: Also http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

21:34:23 assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )

21:35:57 cjc: Cool, thanks -- Mostly, I'm around overnight hours in CST -- as I work 3rd shift.

21:36:37 mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps

21:36:45 mircea_popescu: also

21:36:50 cjc: I was on one of these fraudsters pages earlier today, but didn't understand what the Lord of Bitcoins page was all about when I landed there linked from an article.

21:36:52 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cjc doesn't really matter

21:36:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:37:04 mircea_popescu: lord of bitcoins page ?!

21:37:22 mircea_popescu: that flatley fellow ?

21:37:23 ben_vulpes: lordship list

21:37:37 cjc: This one, http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/

21:37:37 assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGzsDD )

21:37:45 mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes im thinking, at first conference dinner... we have roast party ?

21:38:09 ben_vulpes: oh ho ho ho

21:38:17 ben_vulpes: i gotta cook up some roasts then

21:38:22 mircea_popescu: lemme ask ppls

21:38:25 mircea_popescu: $conference

21:38:32 cjc: During the articles critical of G.A., the above page was linked to... along the way, I discovered this channel.

21:38:50 mircea_popescu: hm empy died ? nao i gotta google

21:39:38 mircea_popescu: mod6 hanbot asciilifeform roast at conference, yes ?

21:40:13 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you'd better come up wioth good shit, i already have some fucking killers for you mr.

21:40:18 ben_vulpes: ugh

21:40:22 ben_vulpes: i'm not actually funny!

21:40:39 mod6: mircea_popescu: sure!

21:40:44 mircea_popescu: go out all over portland and date until you find a funny woman.

21:40:57 ben_vulpes: so is it a round robin roastage? everyone roasts in turn?

21:41:01 mod6: wait... does this mean a roast of meat? or of personalities?

21:41:09 BingoBoingo: !b 2

21:41:10 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31MY0KB.txt )

21:41:11 mircea_popescu: of personalities.

21:41:11 ben_vulpes: i think as host you should be c3's target

21:41:29 mod6: oh jeeze. lol. i'd be terrible at that.

21:41:31 mircea_popescu: nah, here in bitcoin we believe in democracy.

21:41:34 mircea_popescu: everyone roasts everyone.

21:42:57 ben_vulpes: mk i can probably cook something up

21:43:02 mircea_popescu: and notes allowed not in excess of 256 characters.

21:43:16 ben_vulpes: man talk about insider baseball this shit's not even going to be proofable against other humans

21:43:29 mircea_popescu: lol

21:43:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132911 @ 0.00037085 = 49.29 BTC [+] {2}

21:43:39 ben_vulpes: you're so privileged, mircea_popescu!

21:43:42 mircea_popescu: kinda what makes it good, yeah

21:43:53 ben_vulpes: you and hanbot get to dial yours in

21:43:53 mircea_popescu: it's like... the only true comedic venue left.

21:44:14 mircea_popescu: whatcha mean dial in /

21:44:14 ben_vulpes: my poor ego will never recover

21:44:19 ben_vulpes: practice and hone

21:44:25 mircea_popescu: lol

21:44:36 ben_vulpes: not fair

21:44:37 mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't tell you to spend all day typing ruby or w/e you do. boost.

21:45:00 ben_vulpes: not only do you intend to pauperize me but also demoralize

21:45:17 ben_vulpes: someone remind me why i do anything

21:45:25 mircea_popescu: 40 virgins ?

21:45:52 mircea_popescu: not in the sense of, women. in the sense of, mindboggling challenges.

21:46:01 ben_vulpes: that's for the sons of ishmael

21:46:11 ben_vulpes: i'll settle for my mother's praise

21:46:19 mircea_popescu: the correct spellings is i'm so ashamed not ishmael.

21:46:25 mod6: here i was all excited. like "YES PIG ROAST TIME!!!"

21:46:45 mircea_popescu: mod6 it is not legal in argentina to convene more than six people outside of the presence of roasted meat.

21:46:58 mircea_popescu: they come read you the meat riot and sedition acts and then start shooting

21:46:59 mircea_popescu: sausage.

21:47:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.0003673 = 23.7276 BTC [-]

21:47:48 mod6: haha. imagine a good law.

21:47:52 ben_vulpes: oh man argentine blood sausage

21:49:49 BingoBoingo: I thought beef and not pigs is what the Argentines roasted

21:50:12 mircea_popescu: they roast whatever gets in their way.

21:50:33 mircea_popescu: they'd roast the vanishingly small african community if those dudes didn't run so fasty.

21:52:53 cazalla: looks like isis carved up another jap https://sendvid.com/nphywh91 pretty sure western media claimed johadi john was dead too but he's back in that video

21:52:54 assbot: Sendvid - Instant video upload ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGE9xl )

22:00:12 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

22:00:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 341376 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45287162310.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.72621

22:00:42 BingoBoingo: Huh, GAW stopped mining and difficulty still looks to be on the upswing.

22:01:21 mircea_popescu: impossibru. who outside of cazalla and anyone thinking could have predicted this!

22:01:40 mats: you mean they weren't mining to begin with? the horror.

22:02:19 BingoBoingo: !b 3

22:02:20 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FFFPT9.txt )

22:02:56 davout: ben_vulpes: "oh man argentine blood sausage" <<< yes. please.

22:03:08 mircea_popescu: you coming frenchie ?

22:03:36 davout: i probably will

22:03:59 mircea_popescu: roast ?

22:04:17 davout: danielpbarron cazalla Apocalyptic the railzand guy not only has locked the fork off topic but seems to have started a #b-a log digest bitcointalk thread

22:04:41 BingoBoingo: Link?

22:04:48 davout: mircea_popescu: that does count as food

22:04:48 mircea_popescu: mayb someone should tell him fluffypony was actually looking to payu someone to do this ?

22:05:05 mircea_popescu: davout no, roast as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE

22:05:07 assbot: Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkRk4 )

22:05:11 davout: BingoBoingo: see his sig, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=940941.0

22:05:11 assbot: A summary of the logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1vmkTbR )

22:05:35 BingoBoingo: Thx davout

22:05:39 davout: also the qntra mobile is pretty nice!

22:05:49 BingoBoingo: Thanks.

22:06:01 BingoBoingo: It is still the same as qntra desktop.

22:06:06 davout: i'm kinda disappoint that it had to be google telling you

22:06:51 davout: imma go hang out in that 20m new thread, see what lulz may be extracted

22:06:52 mats: this log summary is terrible

22:07:35 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999675 <<< not that there is such a thing as 'american cheese', slightly less poisonous plastic maybe

22:07:35 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 04:57:44; asciilifeform: incidentally (non-u.s. folks) if you visit usa and are offered 'american cheese' - run, not walk, to exit

22:07:53 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999683 <<< want. need. desire.

22:07:53 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 04:59:10; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a chunk of pine bark

22:08:04 mircea_popescu: davout duh. it's great too.

22:08:22 mircea_popescu: (pine is whey boiled first, make it more placid)

22:08:26 BingoBoingo: davout: Well google was more the catalyst for doing it now. That and having picked up a Smatr PNohe to actually test on.

22:08:55 davout: qntra is now officially pooping-friendly

22:09:33 ben_vulpes: yess

22:09:36 ben_vulpes: cannot poop without internet

22:09:42 ben_vulpes: now has qntra for poops

22:09:42 davout: cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string

22:09:57 cazalla: lol

22:10:29 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000123 <<< 'scratch your own itch' makes sense tho

22:10:29 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:13:51; fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours

22:10:43 BingoBoingo: <davout> cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string But links to Plsdont://paybase.on.nimp.org

22:11:58 davout: BingoBoingo: what is that? google tells me achtung

22:12:32 punkman: I only remember it's something bad

22:13:07 punkman: probably won't do anything without javascript though

22:13:42 mircea_popescu: or flesh

22:13:43 BingoBoingo: davout: Shock site. Basically subject.thatdomain opens a cascade of eye rape and screaming. The popups induce more panic than the classic "pain series"

22:13:45 mircea_popescu: i mean flash

22:14:58 mircea_popescu: mats they're not really that bad ?

22:21:14 mircea_popescu: "A sampling of 30% of average forum users isn't the same as 30% of the community, and certainly not the ecosystem. In reality individual users and organizations carry different weight. At the end of the day people who believe in Bitcoin (and invest their money into it) will do what they can to protect that value. The fork which has the most economic value will be the one most likely to survive with confidence of those

22:21:14 mircea_popescu: who continue to accept it."

22:21:24 mircea_popescu: lmao @forum. it has NOW discovered the importance of stuff.

22:21:41 mircea_popescu: funny how this wasn't a consideration before, because "unanimous."

22:21:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsite/learn/hummingbirds/mantis-hummer.php?sc=migrate

22:21:57 assbot: Praying Mantis Makes Meal of a Hummingbird | Bird Watcher's Digest ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGMMIi )

22:22:01 mircea_popescu: "My understanding is a lot of heavily weighted entities in the ecosystem already support Gavin's proposed course."

22:22:04 mats: i suppose i'm being harsh. it could use better formatting and some context (maybe links to where author commentary refers?).

22:22:06 mircea_popescu: hello backwards world!

22:23:24 mats: who is that anyway?

22:23:34 mircea_popescu: no idea.

22:24:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00036859 = 19.0561 BTC [+]

22:24:56 cazalla: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough?

22:25:02 mircea_popescu: good enough for what ?

22:25:22 punkman: cazalla, what are you looking for?

22:26:17 cazalla: umm, not even hobbyist photos really.. punkman i want to get a macro lense for taking photos of the bugs and insects that inhabit my garden.. the mantis comment above just reminded me

22:26:34 mats: i've thought about doing summaries for a while, but i've been preempted

22:26:36 punkman: get an adapter for old SLR lenses, and some macro tubes

22:27:14 punkman: what brand is your camera?

22:27:38 cazalla: i've got a nikon, cheaper d3100

22:28:34 BingoBoingo: Wow https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10322942#msg10322942

22:28:35 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGORUt )

22:28:41 punkman: macro tubes and lens with manual aperture/focus will work well

22:33:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94416 @ 0.00036859 = 34.8008 BTC [+]

22:35:48 mircea_popescu: cazalla anything shoul work ok really, get whatever's accessible.

22:36:25 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/extruziune.jpg << this was made freehand with a potato.

22:36:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGRtSc )

22:38:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123800 @ 0.00036859 = 45.6314 BTC [+]

22:39:47 punkman: cazalla: here's one for you http://imgur.com/ZnuA8SY,ZZYNyEq#0

22:39:48 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGSycW )

22:43:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178000 @ 0.00036481 = 64.9362 BTC [-] {3}

22:45:22 cazalla: punkman, yeah but i want them from my garden, not on window

22:45:43 cazalla: first time i've grown watermelon and it seems to have attracted some bee that is really yellow, looks great

22:46:30 cazalla: quite a few mantis around after carrot fly too

22:47:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190247 @ 0.0003583 = 68.1655 BTC [-] {2}

22:48:23 punkman: cazalla, hard to do macro from a distance

22:48:50 cazalla: punkman, i can sit and wait until he comes my way :)

22:49:45 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though Australia was the sort of place where insects hunt you

22:50:10 punkman: as to the chinese lenses, they mostly work, many don't fill the entire frame though

22:50:25 cazalla: BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date

22:50:45 mircea_popescu: and ate them.

22:50:51 BingoBoingo: Ah, so the rumors are true.

22:52:28 cazalla: punkman, would they improve on something like this that i've taken with 15-55mm lens? http://imgur.com/VXVbfdC

22:52:29 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGWoCQ )

22:52:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107700 @ 0.00035433 = 38.1613 BTC [-] {3}

22:54:36 punkman: cazalla, you'll be able to do more stuff with manual lens

22:57:22 asciilifeform: go can be statically compiled can it not << it has a runtime.

22:58:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo appreciates ... serious effort to make a 128 MB pogoplug is seriously iterating in a productive << it has yet to be established for certain that this thing can be a reasonable node

22:59:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If it can't the exercise would reveal a lower bound to target.

23:00:19 asciilifeform: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough << can't speak for the dslr ones, but chinese c-mounts (microscope, in my case) are entirely acceptable

23:00:28 BingoBoingo: Jury megalol http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/us/massachusetts-aaron-hernandez-trial/

23:00:29 assbot: Judge to Aaron Hernandez jury: Enjoy Super Bowl but be vigilant - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGYMcN )

23:02:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in principle, anything -can- - can allow it to swap and destroy ssd rather less slowly

23:03:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at present, i've swap switched off

23:11:29 mats: >Hernandez's DNA also was found on a .45-caliber shell casing found in a car he had rented.

23:11:43 mats: Sounds suspiciously like he was wearing the piece 'like a gangsta' and sweat into the damn weapon.

23:12:16 mats: er, bad construction, but you get the idea...

23:13:09 mats: nope, nm, i misread.

23:13:22 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja get it built ?

23:17:28 danielpbarron: nope; i'm making a gentoo bootable flashdrive now

23:18:01 danielpbarron: my ubuntu install is too messy and i'm not sure it even supports the cross compiler

23:27:33 asciilifeform: jurov: any chance of switching the lxr to the merged tree? the win32isms etc. grate on the eye.

23:27:57 jurov: you mean 0.5.3.1?

23:28:03 asciilifeform: aha

23:28:27 asciilifeform: also, can that thing cough up static html in tarball for offline viewing ?

23:28:42 asciilifeform: or would that require actual work

23:29:00 jurov: afaik only by crawling

23:29:07 asciilifeform: nm then

23:29:08 BingoBoingo: !up GoMaD

23:29:10 jurov: the urls are reasonably static

23:30:50 mircea_popescu: check this out : http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin/about/traffic vs http://www.reddit.com/r/buttcoin/about/traffic

23:30:52 assbot: traffic stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRs79 )

23:30:54 assbot: traffic stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRs7l )

23:31:01 mircea_popescu: in the great internet battle pitting idiots against trolls... the trolls are winning.

23:31:06 mircea_popescu: whocouldhavepredicted.jpg

23:33:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, davout: look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty << interesting idea

23:35:51 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 0.9.0.3... ...i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 << the recent turdballs are considerably gnarlier than 0.5.3, and have rather peculiar behaviours of their own. avoid.

23:36:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65819 @ 0.00036859 = 24.2602 BTC [+]

23:41:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103100 @ 0.00036075 = 37.1933 BTC [-]

23:46:09 asciilifeform: re: gentoo:

23:46:18 asciilifeform: it is really defined by 'unfeatures.'

23:46:21 asciilifeform: ;;google unfeature antifeature

23:46:22 gribble: No matches found.

23:46:40 asciilifeform: ;;google unfeature anti-feature

23:46:40 gribble: No matches found.

23:46:45 asciilifeform: rip google.

23:47:14 BingoBoingo: http://blog.djm.net.au/2015/02/key-rotation-in-openssh-68.html

23:47:15 assbot: djm's personal weblog: Key rotation in OpenSSH 6.8+ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrU5WH )

23:50:10 mircea_popescu: "all internet security is a slow, half-assed, dubious reimplementation of gossipd. pity gossipd itself doesn't exist yet."

23:50:50 asciilifeform: ^ who said ?

23:51:04 mircea_popescu: me.

23:51:16 mircea_popescu: how's bastard btw ?

23:51:30 asciilifeform: 204139.

23:51:39 asciilifeform: actively pumping.

23:51:47 thestringpuller: hue hue

23:51:53 thestringpuller: pumping

23:51:54 mircea_popescu: pretty cool.

23:52:36 asciilifeform: anyone who wants to try bastard, can make a temporary copy of tree merged up to 5.3.1 and apply the skull'n'crossbone patch.

23:52:58 asciilifeform: change constant to something reasonable.

23:56:21 cazalla: hilarious https://twitter.com/vincib/status/561641812948164608

23:56:23 assbot: Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal: http://t.co/oQfE8dIu1s

23:58:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if cca 280k this choickes to, what do we do ? what's heron sense say ?

23:58:46 asciilifeform: 280?

23:58:47 asciilifeform: why there

23:58:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112200 @ 0.00036075 = 40.4762 BTC [-]

23:58:51 mircea_popescu: hunch

23:58:56 asciilifeform: also that thing's running on a titanic x86 box

23:58:59 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol

23:59:55 *: asciilifeform has two 'pogos' but one is virginal and sitting in crate; it is to be used to test the auto-deflorator (flash virgin unit by plugging into deflowered one)