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00:00:33 ozbot: Google Autocomplete "API" | Shreyas Chand
00:00:41 kakobrekla: this is not aware of context
00:08:36 mircea_popescu: funny how nobody has no connections to anything ever.
00:09:00 mircea_popescu: all this forum shit starts with a lot of support that on examination consists of wtf.
00:14:54 nubbins`: ah, to be a fly on the wall
00:17:50 jurov: oooh our next generation emerging scamchange owner dotcoin aka markus weiler got into some mudfights?
00:18:24 nubbins`: yeah, apparently i've been advised to figure out who the guy's lawyer is and present myself to him
00:18:26 jurov: you knew he added securities to bitcoinbourse?
00:18:47 jurov: another "next mpex"
00:22:05 jurov: it's behind registration, so for sake of record i'll list what he trades there:
00:22:21 jurov: Symbol: BBS Bitcoin Bourse System Shares
00:22:42 jurov: Symbol: TBN The Bitcoin News Shares
00:23:01 jurov: Symbol: BCS BitcoinCard® Shares
00:23:37 jurov: Symbol: ___ Announcement 2 April 2014
00:25:28 jurov: that's all so far. No public trading data advertised or even graphs shown.
00:29:29 mircea_popescu: bitcoin news shares ?
00:29:35 mircea_popescu: how does bitcoin news generate revenue
00:30:20 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:uspto.gov BitcoinCard
00:30:44 mircea_popescu: i guess nobody told 'em ? is not merely a good looking special glyph
00:31:01 pankkake: time to call the AntiTrust Brigade
00:33:11 mircea_popescu: yeah, i think bitbet made a whole btc out of advertising so far
00:33:14 mircea_popescu: over about a year.
00:34:09 pankkake: also bitcoiners === likely to have adblock
00:34:25 pankkake: or lynx
00:35:47 nubbins`: or lawyers on speed dial
00:35:50 nubbins`: wait...
00:35:57 mircea_popescu: ha ha
00:36:01 mircea_popescu: i am behind 7 layers
00:36:50 mircea_popescu: wait, the entire drama with pankkake and davout in the forums was simply some french dork's idea of how to launch yet another wannabe-mpex thing ?
00:37:03 pankkake: german incorporated in france
00:37:07 jurov: mircea yes
00:37:11 mircea_popescu: pretty sad.
00:38:05 jurov: it's actually meta-wannabe thing, he seems very productive
00:38:15 kakobrekla: well as it turns out to be i havent managed to figure out who suggested to put up the wiki
00:38:39 mircea_popescu: where's that nubbins` quote ? "if their business was doing something pointless they'd be doing it very well"
00:39:05 *: nubbins` gestures towards log
00:39:06 kakobrekla: please pm me to set up an account, must have WOT
00:39:10 nubbins`: ctrl-f, magazine
00:39:15 mircea_popescu: i cant find an "edit" button
00:39:25 mircea_popescu: a, i was gonna vandalize it ;/
00:40:09 nubbins`: not sure what this wiki is for
00:40:22 mircea_popescu: me either.
00:40:39 ozbot: PiratePad: or1RSxpueo
00:40:45 kakobrekla: this goes there
00:40:49 kakobrekla: +-
00:40:53 mircea_popescu: maybe to give more avenues of haxxorage on b-a.com ?
00:41:08 kakobrekla: its all contained
00:41:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hehe ok. but what's the idea, give me like an usecase for the wiki
00:42:07 kakobrekla: for when the newbies come and ask "can you give me reading material and not the log"
00:42:13 nubbins`: ah
00:42:32 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5993394#msg5993394 << see, now that's a paid troll on point and good at what he does. rapid, efficient, a wonder to behold. not like the rest of you bums
00:42:33 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
00:42:36 mircea_popescu: what am i even paying you for!
00:42:51 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a so it's not a bitbet thing
00:42:57 mircea_popescu: for some reason i was thinking that
00:43:00 kakobrekla: O_o
00:43:16 pankkake: maybe a collective fraudsters TL;DR
00:43:22 nubbins`: you're paying me?! :0
00:43:31 mircea_popescu: yeah. TCTTLDR
00:43:54 mircea_popescu: The Collective fraudsters Too Long Didn't Romprehend
00:45:06 mircea_popescu: course... it'd kinda put the various btcnews sites out of business, so i understand now what this is all about. you're all trying to sabotage bitcoinsarl, jarl and etc.
00:46:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, as encouragement, i'll gift either 100k ATC or 0.1 BTC for the best article there.
00:46:08 mircea_popescu: winner's choice.
00:46:18 jurov: hi dotcoin
00:46:46 dotcoin: hi jurov
00:46:49 mircea_popescu: jurov you two know each other ?
00:46:54 dotcoin: why talking so bad about me
00:47:06 jurov: i§m his happy shareholder
00:47:10 dotcoin: yes we know i think
00:47:27 jurov: since before bitcoinbourse launch
00:47:33 dotcoin: yes happy shareholders not accuse the company of scam
00:47:45 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust dotcoin
00:48:03 mircea_popescu: you seem to be having a bit of a problem there dotcoin.
00:48:32 dotcoin: do you think so
00:48:45 dotcoin: i think there are some other guys have much more problems than me
00:49:48 dotcoin: so tell me guys where is the problem
00:49:50 nubbins`: hey
00:49:50 nubbins`: dotcoin! my friend!
00:49:50 nubbins`: your lawyer got in touch with me
00:49:50 nubbins`: i gave him all the info i had about pankkake
00:50:09 mircea_popescu: dotcoin inasmuch as you're trying to start some sort of exchange with no experience and no web of trust presence...
00:50:11 dotcoin: i am not your friend nubbins nor i want your friend
00:50:50 dotcoin: you think i have no experience? as you all guys runs many exchanges here i see
00:51:05 dotcoin: or any other usefull stuff
00:51:26 mircea_popescu: yes, we run teh bitcoin.
00:51:34 dotcoin: you run the bitcoin
00:51:40 mircea_popescu: how useful it is however... it's kinda debatable.
00:51:57 dotcoin: for one is more and for the other less
00:51:57 nubbins`: dotcoin we are not friends?
00:52:19 dotcoin: but classifieds this me or my company as a scammer
00:52:22 nubbins`: your lawyer was nice. you are not as nice as your lawyer.
00:52:33 mircea_popescu: he has a lawyer ?!
00:52:57 dotcoin: nubbins stop talk to me please you are simple little trol not talking with you
00:53:14 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5990995#msg5990995
00:53:15 mircea_popescu: dotcoin ok but you have a lawyer /
00:53:22 nubbins`: says there he has a lawyer
00:53:35 dotcoin: i have a lawyer you too
00:53:41 mircea_popescu: what's his name ?
00:54:02 dotcoin: you can read when you in problems with me on the letter he will send you
00:54:09 Duffer1: hi dotcoin
00:54:17 nubbins`: how in the world is your lawyer going to send a letter to me :(
00:54:27 dotcoin: but what is now the problems here is there any serious discussion
00:54:31 dotcoin: or what is here on
00:54:54 dotcoin: why you troll companies in forums
00:54:57 nubbins`: dotcoin, what is your native language? (just curious)
00:54:59 jurov: dotcoin, you refused to say anything about what was doen with bitcoins from bourse IPO
00:54:59 mircea_popescu: ... so do you have a lawyer or don't you.
00:55:01 dotcoin: pankkake
00:55:15 bounce: "pankkake" is a language now?
00:55:16 jurov: that's even less than several known scammers
00:55:27 jurov: so for me, your case is clear
00:55:32 nubbins`: pankkake is the language of love
00:55:35 nubbins`: aka body language
00:55:37 dotcoin: so what is the case jurov
00:56:00 kakobrekla: the bourse thingy was german iirc
00:56:21 dotcoin: the case is you are friend of martin and he is not happy to get out of bourse right?
00:56:25 dotcoin: what he told you this man
00:56:39 jurov: martin is irrelevant here
00:56:46 jurov: you raised hunders of BTC
00:56:58 jurov: and they are not heard of since
00:57:08 dotcoin: hundrets
00:57:12 jurov: *hundreds
00:57:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` linguistix specialist says probably dutch or german.
00:57:19 nubbins`: ah
00:57:20 dotcoin: you even know how much we raised
00:57:40 nubbins`: don't panic, i'm only germanic
00:57:41 kanzure: i think i killed gribble :(
00:57:46 BingoBoingo: dotcoin: Why do you have a lawyer?
00:58:01 nubbins`: i don't think he has a lawyer
00:58:04 dotcoin: and if so what is the problem about a IPO is to raise money or not
00:58:35 jurov: wont gonna look it up, i know i am not getting answer anyway
00:58:38 dotcoin: so jurov tell me please what is your problem now
00:58:47 jurov: you are eliza
00:58:48 jurov: ?
00:58:55 jurov: tell me about your parents?
00:58:57 dotcoin: eliza?
00:58:59 jurov: etc?
00:59:06 dotcoin: are you drunk
00:59:16 mircea_popescu: kanzure what did you do ?
00:59:20 jurov: i explained my problem clearly
00:59:39 jurov: last time: 1. you raised bitcoins
00:59:45 dotcoin: not real you tell me i rais hundrets of bitcoins and ?
00:59:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lawyers are like girlfriends, except better. everyone should have a few.
01:00:11 jurov: 2. built crappy website but never disclosed how many of them were used in the process
01:00:19 jurov: 3. want moar
01:00:20 dotcoin: and you want to know where they are gone?
01:00:31 Juelcf: the new bourse website looks good and works good
01:00:37 dotcoin: what do you think where they are gone?
01:00:58 Duffer1: MP i'm thinking french
01:01:00 dotcoin: do you think you create site like we have and without paying anything
01:01:01 mircea_popescu: apparently you issued stock, then did a forced buyback at a loss.
01:01:02 kakobrekla: spent them for dotcoin mansion
01:01:09 dotcoin: do you het it for free anywhere in the world?
01:01:10 jurov: i have to guess? blow and hookers?
01:01:24 Juelcf: You guys talk so much shit its amazing
01:01:34 nubbins`: dotcoin: WOW, you did a forced buyback at a loss?
01:01:36 dotcoin: whaamazing company yes
01:01:41 dotcoin: show me a better one
01:02:01 nubbins`: Juelcf: hi
01:02:06 mircea_popescu: dotcoin you have this strange comparison to the mean mentality.
01:02:25 mircea_popescu: doesn't really matter what you perceive the average to be. the idea is to stand out at the top not to muddle around the middle.
01:04:31 dotcoin: a so jurov i want to tell you what ever your friend martin lies to you is not the truth, and to accuse me for scam in this case in forums is not the best way to hear the other site of this story between martin and me, you are shareholder you try now to accuse me of scam so what i have think about that? do you think is a productive way for your shares? more than i not scam any
01:04:58 nubbins`_: who's martin?
01:04:58 jurov: i want numbers, not story
01:05:02 dotcoin: i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member
01:05:09 mircea_popescu: so what is your name ?
01:05:27 nubbins`_: i think his real name is Dot Coin
01:05:39 dotcoin: all of you guys can meet me if you wan and we can discuss
01:05:45 mircea_popescu: isn't that patented by some fatass in new zealand ?
01:05:53 mircea_popescu: dotcoin yes, we can. so what's your name ?
01:06:03 nubbins`_: not exactly but you can still be prosecuted under the Analogue Act
01:06:06 jurov: nubbins`_: martin is our mutual acquaintance that was supposed to be cofounder of bitcoin bourse and helped me to decide to invest there
01:06:07 BingoBoingo: ;;ident dotcoin
01:06:22 jurov: later martin quit
01:06:27 nubbins`_: ah
01:06:33 dotcoin: cofounder of bitcoin bourse hahaha
01:06:35 nubbins`_: sort of like thickasthieves and neobee?
01:06:38 *: nubbins`_ cackles loudly
01:06:41 dotcoin: martin quit hahaha
01:06:42 mircea_popescu: jurov would this be foresnick or some other guy ?
01:06:48 jurov: yes forensick
01:06:50 dotcoin: sorry man you are full wrong informed
01:06:53 Duffer1: Markus Weiler?
01:07:00 dotcoin: yes is the forensick guy
01:07:05 dotcoin: yes Markus Weiler
01:07:11 dotcoin: and you Duffer 1?
01:07:14 jurov: and who are you then?
01:07:18 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 well we don't know. guy has a lawyer he can't name and doesn't hide behind nicks but can't introduce himself.
01:07:23 mircea_popescu: a bit of a conundrum so far.
01:07:34 jurov: forensick is martin belobrat and YOU are markus weiler
01:07:35 nubbins`_: mike_c that website looks like it cost about $5 to make
01:07:35 mircea_popescu: mike_c not everyone has python developers at their beak and call.
01:07:43 mike_c: apparently
01:07:55 nubbins`_: ah
01:07:58 nubbins`_: Markus Weiler!
01:08:00 dotcoin: yes ok now all people can call me Markus Weiler if you are more happy with that
01:08:10 dotcoin: Mr for some of you huys
01:08:18 nubbins`_: heh
01:08:20 dotcoin: specialy for the trolls without name
01:08:20 kakobrekla: ;;google Markus Weiler
01:08:23 mircea_popescu: ok, so you're markus weiler and you try to run bitcoinbourse.
01:08:24 peterl: "i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member" says a guy named "dotcoin"?
01:08:28 kakobrekla: no gribble :\
01:08:29 jurov: ^ typical communication style. no help there
01:08:34 jurov: goodnight
01:08:35 kakobrekla: a there you are
01:08:53 kakobrekla: dr?
01:08:55 kakobrekla: nah
01:08:56 dotcoin: so what now jurov
01:09:00 kakobrekla: must be wrong guy
01:09:02 nubbins`_: ^
01:09:07 Duffer1: dotcoin I was just reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.msg4729286#msg4729286 wasn't sure if that was your name or not. Call me Matt :)
01:09:17 nubbins`_: Call me on my birthday
01:09:34 mircea_popescu: dotcoin so now we get to the part where you issued a stock on cryptostocks and then did a forced buyback for a lower price.
01:09:57 nubbins`_: oh my god, Markus Weiler did a forced buyback of stock?
01:10:02 dotcoin: make a force back i think was for 1 share so can be yes
01:10:29 nubbins`_: at a lower price?!
01:10:42 mircea_popescu: dotcoin it's in the link above. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014#594053
01:11:10 Duffer1: who was running the pass through?
01:11:23 mircea_popescu: please let it be usagi ?
01:11:26 dotcoin: if this one user have a loss will pay him if contact me, ask now why make a force back buy, tell you martin the friend of jurov told me we must sell shares there, as we not have need, this i stop trading on cryptostocks that was simple and not any to to i rip of a guy of 0.0005 btc
01:11:50 mircea_popescu: can you write that out again but in your native language ?
01:11:59 nubbins`_: en francais svp!
01:12:21 mircea_popescu: it made no sense in english ; i can probably read it in whatever it is you speak.
01:12:35 dotcoin: i am not francais man i am german and i am sure nobody of you guys speak german
01:12:37 nubbins`_: in deutsche bitte!
01:12:46 dotcoin: Fuer dich gerne in deutsch
01:13:09 dotcoin: stell deine frage in deutsch
01:13:13 mircea_popescu: ja, Deutsch wird hier gesprochen
01:13:19 bounce: eutelsat netblock. talk about being out in the boonies.
01:13:22 dotcoin: ja na dann mal los
01:13:22 nubbins`_: danke, ihr englisch ist schwer zu verstehen ;(
01:13:38 dotcoin: genau wie ihr deutsch
01:14:08 ozbot: Bitcoin SARL Infoletter 26/11/13
01:14:10 mircea_popescu: benkay fuck, she beats my redheads
01:14:27 dotcoin: yes jurov still i am
01:14:52 nubbins`_: sea salt & black pepper on popcorn? sigh
01:15:05 Duffer1: i'd eat that
01:15:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins`_ and lymph
01:15:35 Duffer1: Ich würde das essen
01:15:40 benkay: i'll let you know when i find the moose sausage popcorn, nubbins`
01:17:29 benkay: let's keep this one in reserve for when the SEC gets you, mircea_popescu http://destroyed-and-abandoned.tumblr.com/image/81101546098
01:18:08 mircea_popescu: so dramatique
01:18:11 Duffer1: has there been any followup to that?
01:18:23 dotcoin: ok jurov i guess if you have any questions about anything, you have my email and i am sure you aware of daily newsletters
01:18:33 kakobrekla: lel
01:19:06 kakobrekla: you didnt give any answers dotcoin
01:19:31 kakobrekla: now im curioal.
01:19:42 dotcoin: i give not answers about what kakobrekla
01:19:51 Juelcf: i would like to know also what the fuck is going on here
01:20:04 dotcoin: i answer and some people want talk with me german so what now
01:20:17 kakobrekla: you were asked to type what you typed in german
01:20:25 kakobrekla: so do it
01:20:45 Duffer1: hi Juelcf
01:20:49 dotcoin: google translate i not want wast more time
01:20:50 Juelcf: Hi
01:21:27 kakobrekla: like talking to a can of worms.
01:21:45 Duffer1: are you not entertained
01:22:05 Duffer1: .fr?
01:22:17 Duffer1: nm
01:24:22 dotcoin: n8
01:24:27 kakobrekla: anyway i tried google trasnlate eng -> eng and it doesnt fix your garbage
01:24:42 kakobrekla: also brb
01:27:39 nubbins`_: mircea_popescu: sea salt, black pepper, and lymph on popcorn?!
01:27:48 Juelcf: whats the deal with dotcoin? why was everyone trolling?
01:28:09 mircea_popescu: Juelcf who exactly was trolling ? and who exactly are you ?
01:28:17 benkay: not really trolling. dotcoin's being evasive and the channel kinda got pissed.
01:28:40 Duffer1: the engrish doesn't help either
01:28:47 Juelcf: mircea_popescu, just asking
01:28:57 Duffer1: no offense
01:29:29 nubbins`_: obv a machine translation job
01:30:19 Duffer1: juelcf it started with pankkake calling foul on a couple of dubious offerings by dotcoin
01:30:37 Duffer1: then came to a head today as dotcoin threatened to sue pankkake
01:31:21 bounce: well, maybe we need a virtual courts of teh intarwebz, where you can sue WoT usernames and such.
01:31:41 bounce: s/ a //
01:33:06 peterl: didnt they have a Rota for that sort of thing?
01:33:11 nubbins`_: heh
01:33:20 BingoBoingo: I suppose a good rule of thumb for any court would be that parties wanting redress from Pankkake are prolly in the wrong
01:33:21 nubbins`_: peterl it got too real too quick
01:33:41 peterl: what is the use of such a thing if it is not real?
01:33:52 nubbins`_: no use
01:35:48 nubbins`_: fun fact, ROTA was an acronym for Rand of the Ayn
01:36:40 bounce: no idea what that is and it already smells like WTMI
01:36:53 nubbins`_: ;;ud wtmi
01:36:55 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: wtmi
01:37:09 BingoBoingo: I thought ROTA was an acronym for Round, Oiled, Tense, Asses
01:37:20 nubbins`_: heh.
01:37:26 nubbins`_: too many commas, otherwise ok
01:39:34 nubbins`: 1-855-one-bitcoin
01:39:50 nubbins`: or, if you're in a rush, 1-855-one-bitc
01:39:56 nubbins`: lelelel
01:42:19 cazalla: "Lol, wrapped some cardboard boxes in inkjet-printed labels, and took a pic of one HF board? Awesome." top kek
01:42:59 nubbins`: "let's use a cell phone camera for the photos for our big announcement"
01:43:36 mircea_popescu: it's a slow drama day, so let's lol at people. http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/
01:44:02 nubbins`: fuck-the-cops.biz!
01:45:04 mircea_popescu: and it wasn't no acronim
01:45:18 asciilifeform: in other news, my site (should anyone give a damn) is back.
01:45:28 mircea_popescu: ;;google tribunal apostolicum rotae romanae
01:46:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ghetto huh.
01:47:13 nubbins`: who knows, maybe they couldn't afford a $99 samsung point-and-shoot because they spent every last dime on legitimate businessy things
01:47:40 peterl: Some cell phones these days have very nice cameras
01:47:57 mircea_popescu: http/hashfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Yoli-Evo-board_FINAL-white-WEB-e1392926017925.png
01:48:03 mircea_popescu: this shit looks quite aesthetically pleasing
01:48:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cut&paste in cad proggy will do that. symmetric.
01:49:22 mircea_popescu: also the central thing.
01:49:43 asciilifeform: that multi-die beast looks like a thermal nightmare though
01:49:48 mircea_popescu: it does yeah
01:49:53 asciilifeform: why cram them in one?
01:50:00 mircea_popescu: imo it's horrid design, you'd have wanted the 4 separated towards corners or something
01:50:02 asciilifeform: is the author here?
01:50:11 mircea_popescu: but forget the sanity. it pleaseth my eye
01:50:23 asciilifeform: ok i think i get it!
01:50:29 asciilifeform: look at the 'octopus'
01:50:36 asciilifeform: it's designed to fit an intel heat sink.
01:50:43 asciilifeform: hence the quad die.
01:50:48 mircea_popescu: like a girl on 7 inchers. you know she's in pain and likely can't run... but damn that ass.
01:50:54 asciilifeform: it wants to have the same mechanicals as a 'xeon'
01:50:58 mircea_popescu: oh
01:51:15 mircea_popescu: who knows, that may work cheaper
01:51:25 asciilifeform: cheaper than having your own heat sinks cast, yes
01:51:31 asciilifeform: esp. if you like hydraulic strange
01:52:00 asciilifeform: the 6-pin molexes are probably intel's 'p4' too.
01:54:42 kakobrekla: these are apparently water cooled as well
01:59:17 asciilifeform: whatever happened to those folks who sold a $3k (usd) pc chassis-cum-heatsink of solid copper, weighing as much as a man ?
01:59:20 asciilifeform: 'zalman' i think it was.
02:00:14 pankkake: I'm not sure they actually sold it
02:00:45 nubbins`: seems to me like if you remove the per-case judge payment and stick to the yearly sum, the rota would involve a whole lot less QQing
02:01:24 asciilifeform: shame. i have this ancient crackpot dream of being rid of pc fans.
02:02:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` wouldn't have had any impact in the matter that sunk it
02:02:05 pankkake: there are some passive heatsinks though
02:02:32 pankkake: huge aluminum stuff - but they tell you to have case fans though
02:02:32 asciilifeform: pankkake: show a 100% passive cooled machine that isn't a toy
02:02:35 nubbins`: mircea_popescu well pretty hard to buy off judges if the judges don't get paid any extra for taking the case
02:02:43 pankkake: I guess you can do it if you underclock
02:02:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ...
02:03:32 nubbins`: unless i'm missing something
02:03:46 pankkake: I solved the fan issue by putting the machines in another room than the one I'm in
02:04:09 asciilifeform: pankkake: i'm about to rent a whole building instead of flat, partly so i can do just this
02:04:15 mircea_popescu: well you are. inasmuch the defendant passively receives X btc and is then required to return X+e, the entire thing is an extraction engine
02:04:16 pankkake: though the real annoyance always was the noise of hard drives
02:04:21 asciilifeform: but fans still suck in dirt, fail without warning, etc
02:04:41 pankkake: yeah, my GPU fan died, and those aren't easy to replace :(
02:04:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the correct solution to the fan problem is to use fanned tubes
02:04:58 nubbins`: what's "e", effort?
02:04:59 pankkake: back to the slower passive gpu, which at least still works
02:05:01 mircea_popescu: all fans in a tube can't fail at the same time
02:05:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` epsilon
02:05:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apple is selling, i think, a machine of just this shape. but, as you can probably guess, i'd rather not buy it.
02:05:30 pankkake: my case has filters, the case wasn't that dusty after months of operation
02:06:29 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: in the post mortem example, all i see is: mpex receives 100btc, mpex returns 100btc, mpex pays judges 3btc each
02:06:42 mircea_popescu: i wonder why there doesn't exist some sort of magnetic heat extractor device!
02:07:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so what you mean is, make the cases costless ?
02:07:22 mircea_popescu: what prevents someone from suing everyone in sight if there's no cost to it ?
02:07:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: magneto-hydrodynamic coolant pump ? one sees them in patents often, but for some reason never in pc.
02:07:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know.
02:07:38 mircea_popescu: yet pc would seem one of the best applications
02:07:59 nubbins`: no cost to it? if you lose, it's a 10btc cost
02:08:15 mircea_popescu: ...
02:08:17 dexX7: rota 2?
02:08:31 mircea_popescu: you gotta make up your mind nubbins`
02:08:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ordinary 'heat pipe' works great, so long as you have a massive sink on the other side. heat pipe can be thought of as a refrigerator without a compressor.
02:09:08 nubbins`: i left out fees for brevity in my example
02:09:13 nubbins`: consider it suitably modified.
02:09:41 mircea_popescu: so then mpex has to pay the fees if it loses ?
02:09:46 mircea_popescu: and it can lose without doing anything ?
02:10:40 nubbins`: it couldn't lose if it declined to participate
02:10:53 nubbins`: how else would you deal with a case you deemed frivolous?
02:11:07 nubbins`: throw 10btc at it and hope ya get it back?!
02:11:30 Duffer1: what's the incentive to defend yourself ever?
02:11:37 nubbins`: THERE ISN'T ONE
02:12:18 mircea_popescu: then problem solved ?
02:12:25 Duffer1: hehe
02:12:54 nubbins`: well, if you look at it that way, the rota was a solution in search of a problem
02:13:02 mircea_popescu: it may be said.
02:13:23 nubbins`: suppose i call chetty a poopyhead and it turns out this damaged her reputation so badly that she lost a 100btc contract. she decides to sue me via rota, i decline.
02:13:27 mircea_popescu: what can i tell you, i'm not mafalda. i figure things out as i go
02:13:28 nubbins`: now what? nothing
02:13:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` now you're a poopyhead
02:13:59 nubbins`: joke's on you, that doesn't damage my reputation
02:14:13 mircea_popescu: well not like it has to.
02:14:17 mircea_popescu: whats this, taloncoin ?
02:14:26 nubbins`: i can't keep up with them, you tell me :D
02:14:47 nubbins`: anyway.
02:14:53 mircea_popescu: im very surprised nobody made bitround yet
02:14:59 nubbins`: maybe the defendant doesn't have to pay a fee because we're not paying the judges per-case anymore
02:15:12 mircea_popescu: everyone with their head in a box, X-coin Y-coin blergh
02:15:26 nubbins`: bitbar
02:15:29 mircea_popescu: not paying the judges per case has a host of problems
02:15:38 nubbins`: toss a couple at me
02:15:41 mircea_popescu: such as judges no longer actually wish to judge. it becomes morel ike jury duty
02:15:48 nubbins`: workload would be the obvious one
02:16:05 nubbins`: but hey, USA has a thousand magistrate judges for a reason
02:16:28 nubbins`: say a judge has to take 30 cases a year or w/e for his 30btc
02:17:07 nubbins`: he knows the workload involved when he signs up. once all judges are booked up, you have a backlog.
02:18:08 joecool: i had a case some years back that was delayed nearly 2 years because the judge assigned was waiting for his retirement request to finalize
02:18:37 nubbins`: exactly so
02:19:01 MisterE: mornin
02:19:05 nubbins`: anyway, you're arguing that salary doesn't work because pay-by-the-hour makes it seem like less of a chore
02:23:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` and how do you pay the 30 btc ?
02:24:28 mircea_popescu: and im merely arguing that since every top job out there pays a salary + bonuses, that model is unavoidable.
02:24:43 nubbins`: well, how were you planning to pay the 30btc?
02:24:58 nubbins`: unavoidable pff, bitcoin is here to replace &c &c.
02:25:06 nubbins`: receiving btc IS a bonus.
02:25:47 mircea_popescu: iffy.
02:26:15 nubbins`: anyway, unless that 30btc was supposed to come from the leftover 1btc of the losing party's money (30 cases per judge per year!), i can only imagine that you were privately funding the judges' salaries
02:26:17 mircea_popescu: and if you recall, the 10 btc - 3x3 = 1 leftover.
02:26:23 mircea_popescu: 30 cases a year pay for the 30.
02:26:42 mircea_popescu: i was privately underwriting the risk that judges may not get 30 cases/year
02:26:58 mircea_popescu: that fat tail ended up costing a pretty penny, but hey.
02:28:11 nubbins`: so the plaintiff's 10btc fee is refundable to 9btc if he wins.
02:28:28 nubbins`: all the more reason to avoid frivolous claims, no?
02:28:56 nubbins`: if you buy a can of coke here, you pay eight cents recycling deposit. you bring the empty can back, you get five cents.
02:31:55 nubbins`: i can almost hear the gears turning from here... although it could just be the cat snoring ;(
02:34:09 mircea_popescu: nubbins` no dood. 2parties contribute 10 btc each. the winner gets his 10 btc back
02:34:20 mircea_popescu: the loser's goes to judges and 1 btc left over.
02:34:26 nubbins`: yeah, that didn't work tho
02:35:43 mircea_popescu: sure. but the problem was hardly the incentive structure.
02:35:48 nubbins`: so you remove the defendant's fee, which solves the problem you identified where mpex gets bled dry, and you make 1btc of the plaintiff's fee non-refundable, which solves the payroll problem
02:37:11 mircea_popescu: dude wtf.
02:37:19 mircea_popescu: plaintif wins. gets 10 btc back. who pays the judges ?
02:37:26 nubbins`: no.
02:37:31 nubbins`: plaintiff wins, gets 9btc back.
02:37:34 mircea_popescu: lol. plaintiff never wins ?
02:37:55 nubbins`: you want the rota to solve your problems for you, it costs you 1btc.
02:38:36 mircea_popescu: and who pays the judges ?
02:38:44 mircea_popescu: do they make 3 btc if defendant wins, and 0 if plaintiff wins ?
02:38:57 nubbins`: they don't make shit until their contract is up
02:39:17 mircea_popescu: that'll never work.
02:39:27 nubbins`: sure it will.
02:39:38 nubbins`: if defendant wins, he gets the 9btc.
02:39:58 nubbins`: the 1btc -- and nothing more -- always goes to the judge fund
02:40:00 MisterE: who picks judges and where they come from?
02:40:20 mircea_popescu: MisterE was a self-nomination thing, originally. see the article
02:40:36 MisterE: sorry I came in late in the chat
02:40:38 nubbins`: if some asshole sends 100btc to mpex for no reason and wants to rota it, he pays 10btc, you pay 0btc.
02:40:43 nubbins`: 1btc immediately goes to judges fund
02:40:57 nubbins`: asshole wins: he gets 9btc refund. you win: you get 9btc payout.
02:41:12 nubbins`: now tell me if people would be bringing frivolous claims to a court set up like that.
02:41:13 mircea_popescu: o.o
02:41:30 nubbins`: tell me if people wouldn't be encouraged to solve their own problems rather than whining to btc dad
02:41:44 mircea_popescu: i think perhaps you may be optimising for a differen tproblem.
02:41:53 nubbins`: solving all of them at once, really
02:41:56 MisterE: bitcointalk is there the whiners are
02:42:34 nubbins`: i don't think there are any problems left ;D
02:42:45 mircea_popescu: cool. im off to bed.
02:42:57 nubbins`: nitey
02:44:52 nubbins`: rota was a fine idea but just incorrectly structured from the start. it'd probably still be going if it was set up the way i've outlined ;D
02:45:33 MisterE: thanks
02:45:50 nubbins`: having the defendant pay 10btc creates a strong disincentive to participate
02:46:18 nubbins`: at least if there's no fee to register a defence, he's got nothing to lose by participating
02:49:40 MisterE: fees are always the plantiff's burden
02:49:54 nubbins`: as it should be
02:49:59 MisterE: frivolous suits are weeded out that way
02:50:06 nubbins`: you got it
02:50:07 MisterE: wel many are
02:50:30 the20year1: As far as user trust goes, what's more important btc-otc or bitcointalk?
02:50:36 MisterE: I habent read yet but this is BTC arbitration?
02:50:43 MisterE: the20year1: same
02:50:55 MisterE: we;l not same but very similar
02:50:56 nubbins`: the20year1: if you ask people on irc, -otc. if you ask people on the forums, the forums.
02:51:19 MisterE: users here are the top of the pyramid
02:51:20 the20year1: i'm sure the best answer is 'get both' , but i'm coming to realize that trust is good, it might save me some cash over the next 2 months
02:51:42 nubbins`: both is nice to have
02:51:42 MisterE: trust can save you *a lot*
02:51:51 nubbins`: forum people don't give a fuck about otc ratings, and vice versa
02:51:55 MisterE: if you have to shoose get rated by people here
02:52:05 nubbins`: it depends on who you plan on doing business with
02:52:10 MisterE: right
02:52:45 the20year1: Lucky for me, the bulk of my investors aren't on either, however it'd be good going forward to have good ratings on both
02:52:53 MisterE: can I borrow something so I can pay it back and get rated?
02:53:18 MisterE: get them on wot ASAP
02:54:25 kakobrekla: but that requires reading stuff.
02:54:36 the20year1: Well, in my case i've been 'loaned' something like 800btc
02:54:45 kakobrekla: re borrowing, yeah bitcoinpete just did that a day or three ago iirc
02:54:56 the20year1: and out of that, among the 450ish users, some should be on irc & btct
02:55:12 nubbins`: i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust.
02:55:24 kakobrekla: never said that .
02:55:34 nubbins`: no, MisterE hinted at it tho
02:55:42 MisterE: :)
02:56:02 MisterE: I just want to get my rating off the ground
02:56:17 MisterE: kakobrekla: yea thats where I got the idea
02:56:18 nubbins`: so do something that'll make people trust you :P
02:56:25 MisterE: heh
02:56:50 nubbins`: "i got a loan and paid it back" is just another way of saying "i'm not going to pay back the first loan that's big enough"
02:57:06 kakobrekla: suck a dick without biting it off
02:57:31 the20year1: pretty much
02:59:12 MisterE: lolol
02:59:24 the20year1: Did you know there are 3 grades of ketchup?
02:59:38 MisterE: not surprised
02:59:44 MisterE: easy to make
03:00:06 kakobrekla: tomatoes *SPLASH* ketchup
03:00:08 MisterE: I make my own bbq / ketchup / marinara
03:00:18 MisterE: heh nearly
03:00:23 MisterE: vinegar
03:01:14 nubbins`: garlic
03:01:28 nubbins`: i've got pasta sauce from scratch figured out
03:01:37 nubbins`: haven't tried ketchup from scratch yet ;D
03:02:34 the20year1: standard, extra standard and fancy
03:05:55 nubbins`: i wonder which one heinz is
03:06:37 nubbins`: ketchup and plastic film are two products where i always spend extra to get the name-brand stuff
03:06:42 bounce: you know, there's a long history of (non-bitcoin) courts and such, and also a long history of abuse in various forms. question then is why and when doesn't such a system get abused (or at least not too much, and then what is this not too much you speak of)?
03:09:59 kakobrekla: lolwtf
03:12:07 kakobrekla: ona day he has all btc, the next none, the third some, the fourth all again, but on the fifth it seems all is gone.
03:13:17 nubbins`: bounce: generally historic courts did not impose a 10btc fee on the plaintiffs, only 9btc of which will be returned in the event of a win.
03:14:04 nubbins`: seems impossibly foolhardy in retrospect, but they were simpler times
03:22:59 the20year1: There have been courts historically who charge the plaintiff large fees to file a case
03:35:58 MisterE: in thailand your fee is a percentage of the damages you seek
03:36:05 MisterE: and that can get hefty
03:36:17 MisterE: rather like the concept tho
03:36:58 MisterE: some future costs can be paid from that fee though iirc
03:37:56 nubbins`: interesting
03:38:00 nubbins`: anyway, one more link then bed
03:38:02 ozbot: Fruit Salad Tree Company | Home
03:38:56 MisterE: -assets should fund the space elevator!
03:39:26 MisterE: news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140306-space-elevator-partial-orbit-science/
03:41:22 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: thanks for the rating! was wondering if you know what to do about some other guy who rated me -1 with comment "Nick squatter using this nick to scam you. Ask in channel to have this scammer authenticate." http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=bitcoinpete&sign=ANY&type=RECV
03:41:54 bitcoinpete: seems this guy is a nicksquatter patrolman of sorts
03:42:12 mike_c: did you email him?
03:45:17 bitcoinpete: not yet, but you're right, that's the first thing to do
03:45:32 novusordo: sounds like someone's using your nick to scam others while unauthenticated
03:46:12 bitcoinpete: i thought people knew better than to work with unauthenticated people
03:46:27 novusordo: only complete noobs don't
03:47:10 bitcoinpete: this Michail1 must be protector and defender of noobs then
03:47:24 bitcoinpete: yeesh
03:47:48 novusordo: you can message nickserv "set enforce on" to automatically kick people off your username after 30 seconds if they haven't authed
03:48:11 bitcoinpete: did not know that, thx
03:50:22 novusordo: i'm sure if you message Michail1 while authed, he'll remove the rating
03:52:32 joecool: ;;events bitcoinpete
03:52:36 ozbot: OTC bitcoinpete
03:53:34 joecool: bitcoinpete: yeah you had a squatter on your nick :P
03:54:12 bitcoinpete: joecool hot damn
03:59:54 bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete
04:01:40 bitcoinpete: never a dull moment
04:17:46 ozbot: Smartass kid test answers - Imgur
04:34:20 MisterE: yea glad I jumped out yesterday despite booking minor loss
04:34:46 MisterE: I'll coin up by getting in lower now
04:51:01 benkay: pankkake: what was dotcoin's operation that did the forced buyback list their 'asset'?
04:51:36 benkay: on what 'exchange' did dotcoin issue the paper he later did the forced buyback on?
04:52:20 pankkake: not sure it always cryptostocks, maybe sometimes direct
04:57:39 benkay: ;;gettrust bitcoinpete
04:58:45 bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete
05:05:04 MisterE: ;;ident MisterE
05:05:26 MisterE: I should make a join command to ident
05:05:33 benkay: ident party
05:06:00 benkay: join command MisterE ?
05:08:27 MisterE: Server connection commands is a better term... My client can perform functions when connecting to a network like i have it set up to auth with some bots that control channel access so I dont have to mess with it each time I connect.
05:08:57 MisterE: I could do something like that with gribble
05:10:17 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mike_c spam got in your blogs comments
05:10:38 MisterE: /quote PRIVMSG is a great thing
05:11:11 kakobrekla: i want to take the credit :D
05:11:32 MisterE: damn that spam is always triggering please moderate...
05:11:36 MisterE: hate that
05:20:34 benkay: dunno MisterE automating gpg sounds like a recipe for disaster
05:20:55 MisterE: yea just the auth request part
05:21:34 MisterE: I just need a prompt to do it each day really
06:19:30 benkay: ;;ticker
06:30:56 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
06:31:53 BingoBoingo: ;;more
06:31:58 benkay: helluva power law on the volume
06:32:01 benkay: bitstamp 36k
06:32:20 benkay: o wait this is not sorted by vol
06:32:57 benkay: nanotube: what would be the implications of sorting gribble market output by exchange volume?
06:33:19 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what would be the implications of sorting gribble market output by exchange volume?
06:33:22 benkay: horrible idea?
06:34:17 BingoBoingo: benkay: Prolly not a bad one
06:34:32 benkay: i've probly had worse
06:34:48 kakobrekla: kraken whole 35btc worth eh.
06:38:32 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I'll take one of those wiki logins, plz
06:40:18 kakobrekla: pm
07:11:46 moiety_: kakobrekla: a wiki? :D if you want me to proof it periodically, or anything else, send me a log in too :)
07:16:13 moiety_: lol @ "too honest for a sgady logo"
07:16:25 moiety_: shady*
07:21:35 kakobrekla: sure, pm
08:05:49 Namworld: okay, seriously... I'm not registering, NYtime, to view an article
08:06:36 Namworld: All those news link block reading till you register. It's free, so why even ask for registration.
08:10:27 antephialtic: interesting to see the neo&bee scam finally implode
08:11:04 antephialtic: though I think this will be bad for BTC stocks in general - this was a fairly elaborate scam, and many will probably not trust btc denominated investments for a long time
08:13:32 kakobrekla: just FYI
08:13:38 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
08:14:13 kakobrekla: so, first.
08:14:24 antephialtic: I didn't invest, even if it wasn't a scam, it was a pretty bad business plan
08:14:53 antephialtic: since 99% of their accounts were denominated in euros, they were hugely exposed to the price of BTC
08:15:26 antephialtic: investing in neo was basically a highly leveraged bet on the price of BTC itself, with the risks completely outweighing any possible benefits - assuming the business was completely legitimate
08:15:38 antephialtic: which, seemingly is not the case
08:16:18 kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland
08:17:29 antephialtic: lesson: people are stupid
08:18:08 antephialtic: and bitcoin seems to attract people that are exceptionally stupid.
08:18:39 kakobrekla: interestingly enough the conviction 2 years ago was exactly the opposite
08:19:17 antephialtic: yeah, well all those people sold at $1200 to the new batch of morons
08:19:28 kakobrekla: i didnt
08:23:10 Namworld: That's not okay, kakobrekla. You should have sold all at $1200 to rebuy later.
08:23:37 Namworld: "Hindsight and time-machine required"
08:25:17 kakobrekla: too much counter party risk
08:37:00 VanCleef: kakobrekla you blew it
08:37:24 VanCleef: could have easily doubled up by now
08:38:11 kakobrekla: mhm
09:35:06 cazalla: Bitcoin price above $1000 before April - damn, did i get this bet wrong
10:03:33 random_cat: some hours remain :D
10:23:43 moiety: <Namworld> "Hindsight and time-machine required" << lolol where can i get these?!
11:06:38 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
11:07:31 BingoBoingo: !jd
11:38:38 ThickAsThieves: While CEO Danny Brewster is out of the country and has not made an official statement on the events, he denied anything untoward about his actions.
11:38:38 ThickAsThieves: “My silence is for a very valid and personal reason, all the rumors that are flying about are false and couldn’t be further from the truth. I haven’t moved from Cyprus or anything of the kind I am TEMPORARILY out of the country resolving some big issues that were made much worse by people stating incorrect facts in a public forum.”
11:40:58 ThickAsThieves: this statement is odd "What’s even stranger is that LMB Holdings’ shares are not traded via Havelock Investments, only Neo & Bee’s."
11:41:31 ThickAsThieves: considering the prospectus says: "LMB Holdings Share Structure
11:41:31 ThickAsThieves: Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK)."
11:46:32 ThickAsThieves: kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it
11:46:47 ThickAsThieves: cool to see the b-a site growing
11:52:59 ozbot: Long Term Update: at support | Bitcoin Trading Signals
12:25:39 dirt_: I thought it was odd too. Mixing personal/business, and blaming a public forum? what, bitcointalk?
12:29:38 dexX7: <Ukyo> Anyone awake with ukyo.loan shares? << related to neo? ;)
12:31:35 the20year2: Could be
12:32:18 the20year2: so this neobee thing has to do with ukto?
12:33:29 dexX7: it's only a very, very wild theory
12:33:40 ThickAsThieves: did Ukyo elaborate?
12:33:58 dexX7: <whitty> me ukyo
12:33:59 dexX7: <Ukyo> whitty: give me a min. jsut doing some testing
12:34:14 dexX7: that's all
12:34:14 ThickAsThieves: oh he's probly just making a claims page
12:34:20 ThickAsThieves: maybe paying divs?]
12:34:52 dexX7: the quote was from yesterday btw
13:01:31 dirt_: Do you think neobee situation will last all week/longer?
13:02:35 artifexd: ;;later tell bitcoinpete If you're going to have "IRC Nicknames" in the title, maybe discuss them in the post proper instead of just the footnotes?
13:04:13 dexX7: dirt_: i think no one knows at this point
13:22:04 andreas_: ;;ticker
13:33:22 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay what do you mean ?
13:35:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're deluding yourself. whether there's a fee for participation or not, the defendant's risking something participating.
13:54:58 mircea_popescu: so what's the neobee announcement ?
13:56:00 mircea_popescu: the20year1 it's all a question of who do you want to deal with. to me, forum trust means exactly zero. to the forum, wel... they don't even know whjat the wot is, they're barely discovering chan logs these days.
13:56:33 mircea_popescu: and before you make the kneejerk decision that you'd rather go where the people are, let me remind you that this is bitcoin, and that nonsense already took you to bf once, and then to havelock.
14:03:15 mike_c: kakobrekla: thanks, spam cleansed.
14:03:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust. < it's awful really, more likely to diminish the trust of the rater than to improve that of the rate'ed.
14:04:57 ThickAsThieves: agreed
14:05:04 ThickAsThieves: the borrow 1btc for a week thing is silly
14:05:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's how you manage muppets, a la bitcointalk forum crowd.
14:05:19 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, it rules out dank.
14:05:35 ThickAsThieves: it opens up those lenders to be targets too
14:06:02 artifexd: What is "dank"?
14:06:27 mircea_popescu: generally the corollary of freedom is that well... you gotta stay vigilant. which explains why freedom is so deeply umpopular.
14:06:44 mircea_popescu: artifexd o you missed a lot of fun.
14:06:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014#592703
14:06:59 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
14:08:03 mircea_popescu: hm, bitcoinpete's adventure is quite important : everyone with a WoT account : make sure you turn enforce on with nickserv.
14:08:12 mircea_popescu: otherwise you're just contributing tools to scammers.
14:08:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this should actually be in your manual. it's an absolute imperative, you can
14:08:29 wywialm: and what is a good way of building trust then?
14:08:32 mircea_popescu: 't have wot accts w/o enforce.
14:08:50 mircea_popescu: wywialm if you idle here and read, good ways present themselves.
14:09:00 mircea_popescu: often someone needs something done or there's an idea you can help with etc.
14:09:07 mircea_popescu: you know, just like in any society.
14:09:34 artifexd: I was here. Lurking. Watching it live. I just stayed silent because I had nothing useful to add. I did miss the "dank bank" comment.
14:09:52 mircea_popescu: jayk can't believe asshole teacher had the guts to x that answer.
14:10:09 mircea_popescu: artifexd i know about you. i was talking to him tho :p
14:10:46 ozbot: Euro zone inflation drops to lowest since 2009
14:10:51 mircea_popescu: check out how well europe is doing :D
14:10:55 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
14:11:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll address this deficiency
14:11:18 mircea_popescu: so putin threatens to fuck them up with the energy, quickly the propaganda brigade is out there with preparatory statements
14:11:41 mircea_popescu: "oh, it may be the case everything will be more expensive in the future, perhaps, BUT!! don't worry about it, you read last month all about how low inflation is!"
14:12:56 VanCleef: speaking of media propaganda the funnest ones i seen was yesterday or the day before, but all american media groups were saying putin called obama about ukraine because putin is weak and looking for an exit
14:13:00 VanCleef: was like wtf?
14:13:36 mircea_popescu: lol
14:13:54 mircea_popescu: terribly weak, i bet. didn't they pretty much take over and end of story ?
14:15:19 ThickAsThieves: how do you enable 'enforce' of nicks? i'm registered in nickserv, is that how?
14:15:41 mircea_popescu: joecool now that's pretty cool! i had forgotten all about ;;events
14:15:44 artifexd: /msg nickserv set enforce on
14:15:56 mircea_popescu: lol he just missed his reg window
14:16:01 ThickAsThieves: thanks!
14:16:10 mircea_popescu: wb.
14:16:14 Mats_cd03: balls
14:16:23 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
14:16:23 Mats_cd03: i need wot rating to edit the wiki :(
14:16:29 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 ask kakobrekla
14:16:40 ThickAsThieves: didnt mp rate you?
14:16:45 mircea_popescu: i did ?
14:16:50 Mats_cd03: no
14:16:52 ThickAsThieves: oh it was mattc
14:16:55 ThickAsThieves: mikec
14:16:57 ThickAsThieves: bleh
14:17:45 ThickAsThieves: nickserv enforce does what exactly, forces you to ident with nickserv on login?
14:17:57 mircea_popescu: within 30 seconds
14:18:00 ThickAsThieves: cool
14:18:18 mircea_popescu: NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
14:18:20 mircea_popescu: like that.
14:19:24 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay it was btctc if memory serves.
14:19:38 ThickAsThieves: "The euro zone is far from the deflation that Japan suffered from the early 1990s"
14:19:49 ThickAsThieves: deflation is suffering?
14:20:27 ThickAsThieves: i guess it would affect debtors
14:21:01 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell antephialtic the sort of people who take their information from btctalk and etc are better off not investing in btc stocks yet anyway.
14:21:15 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you recall the minimal theft argument ?
14:21:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: theft 'hormesis' ?
14:21:46 ThickAsThieves: i do not
14:21:51 mircea_popescu: aite lemme find it
14:22:47 ThickAsThieves: i can however see how an institutionally inflationary economy going deflationary could be painful
14:23:24 mike_c: well, the biggest debtor in the land is the govt. they aren't going to let things get deflationary.
14:23:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571177
14:24:02 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
14:24:59 ThickAsThieves: ok i remember now
14:25:23 mircea_popescu: so now, a cogent argument can be brought that japan was wrecked by its deflation years.
14:25:33 mircea_popescu: they survived ww2 and hiroshima as a traditional society.
14:25:37 mircea_popescu: all that is gone now. the reason ?
14:25:43 mircea_popescu: well japanese kids didn't start raping their mothers
14:25:48 mircea_popescu: but they did stop having sex altogether.
14:26:11 mircea_popescu: in the end the effect is the same. japan as you know it is about as relevant to world affairs as the hitite empire.
14:26:28 ThickAsThieves: i wonder if their penises will evolve to clits over time if it keeps up
14:26:47 mike_c: japan gets first crack at karpeles, that's gotta be worth something.
14:26:49 mircea_popescu: they won't make it. just be replaced with some sort of short stocky chinese.
14:27:06 mircea_popescu: i really dislike that type, too. and especially their women.
14:27:16 ThickAsThieves: hehe
14:27:32 mircea_popescu: o look, the breakfast pancake is now moving around on two olives!
14:27:34 asciilifeform: they could always grow another yukio mishima, this time with a brain, and go productively geopolitically apeshit
14:27:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mishima had a brain imo.
14:28:03 mircea_popescu: they didn't have teh... i dunno how to call it, the endometrium say.
14:28:45 asciilifeform: now this is probably true. sort of how limonov could not have possibly succeeded
14:28:57 mircea_popescu: right. a man is a zygote,
14:29:12 mircea_popescu: society around him needs to support la revolucion or else... no revolucion.
14:29:20 mircea_popescu: note how well guevara did in chad or w/e
14:29:26 asciilifeform: even the fellow mishima put in charge as 'kaisyaku' failed to do the job (cleanly chop off his head)
14:29:45 mircea_popescu: and i assure you had mishima had a better candidate available, he'd have picked that one.
14:29:47 mircea_popescu: you know ?
14:30:03 asciilifeform: 'can't mold bullet from shit'
14:30:34 mircea_popescu: re limonov : http://russiapedia.rt.com/files/prominent-russians/politics-and-society/eduard-limonov/eduard-limonov_16-t.jpg
14:30:45 VanCleef: what if you freeze it?
14:30:46 mircea_popescu: wouldn't one be worried once his tits are better than the girl's ?
14:31:01 mircea_popescu: VanCleef and you shoot it with a freezefull explosion ?
14:31:17 VanCleef: geez that would be horrible, shitting in a bullet type casing and freezing it and then firing it into someone
14:31:43 asciilifeform: VanCleef: frozen bullet never worked - because 'pv = nrt'
14:31:45 mircea_popescu: friction melts it.
14:31:57 asciilifeform: not the friction. the gas compression in front of it.
14:31:58 VanCleef: let a man dream damn it
14:32:03 asciilifeform: same as for re-entry from orbit
14:32:20 Mats_cd03: id poo in a shell for you
14:32:23 asciilifeform: or your refrigerator
14:32:26 mircea_popescu: also that.
14:32:47 VanCleef: i was at a party and shat in someones bong once
14:32:58 ThickAsThieves: :/
14:33:10 novusordo: cover the shit with a layer of epoxy
14:33:19 mircea_popescu: epoxy in a bong ?!
14:33:35 novusordo: i was still talking about the bullet
14:33:37 ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591285
14:33:40 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
14:33:57 Mats_cd03: wtf?
14:33:58 asciilifeform: soviet tale - one drunken idiot tells another, 'i was at this party, and this guy must've been a serious contraband hero, he's loaded - i stumbled around, looking for the throne, and found a little bathroom with golden toilet!' - other: 'fucktard, so it was you who took a shit in the saxophone!'
14:34:20 mircea_popescu: kik
14:34:31 VanCleef: lol
14:34:44 mircea_popescu: contraband hero huh ? like guitar hero, except the 80s
14:34:51 asciilifeform: (translation mine)
14:36:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate)
14:37:41 mircea_popescu: dirt_ it's really not weird at all. exactly by the book how these things unfold.
14:38:19 ozbot: Global warming dials up our risks, UN report says
14:39:03 mircea_popescu: chetty you know how this global warming soup sounds to me ? like since the 90s govt was hoping for an alien invasion to blame everything on, and by now they've finally decided that's not happening so going with plan b
14:39:14 mircea_popescu: i guess it's better than plan c, "the daisies did it, man!"
14:39:43 chetty: yeah - a bit confusing how they manage that with no warming the last 15 or so years
14:39:58 mircea_popescu: that's why they didn't go ahead and pretend it was the aliens.
14:41:03 mircea_popescu: Temperature : 44 C/ 111 F (Normal) Temperature Sensor Status : Normal
14:41:06 asciilifeform: it won't surprise me to see 'international komyoonity' airstrikes on uppity third-worlders who won't play ball and deindustrialize. 'punishment for pollution'.
14:41:10 mircea_popescu: see ? 44 c is now "normal" :D
14:41:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not happening.
14:41:53 mircea_popescu: there's no "international community" any more than the bitcointalk folks are "the bitcoin community"
14:42:04 mircea_popescu: all that bullshit died in syria.
14:42:27 asciilifeform: the arsonist who torched syria has a box full of matches left.
14:43:49 mircea_popescu: not really.
14:43:50 asciilifeform: they might be a little wet. but i'd be surprised if he doesn't try everything potentially flammable to see what can be burned next.
14:44:02 mircea_popescu: the way this game works is you get one new match once you successfully use the previous.
14:44:09 chetty: I'm sure they will keep trying
14:44:17 mircea_popescu: trying doesn't even count in dating
14:44:23 mircea_popescu: what, world politics ? forget it.
14:44:46 asciilifeform: if this were so, it would've ended with vietnam.
14:45:26 mircea_popescu: it had ended with vietnam.
14:45:45 mircea_popescu: but then cccp collapsed and the us figured its ww2 v2.0
14:46:39 ozbot: History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890
14:46:45 mircea_popescu: should the recent steps in china's attempts to democratize and capitalize (ie, the opening of bank deposits to risk) explode badly and end china, then the us may figure hey, v3.0!
14:46:51 mircea_popescu: this is possible, but perhaps improbable.
14:47:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note the prominent absence of stuff 75-90
14:52:37 ozbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]
14:53:10 mircea_popescu: did they find the real pankkake yet ?
14:53:38 ThickAsThieves: they cant afford to
14:53:47 pankkake: this is so sad… the few shareholders that still had a brain are all over it
14:53:58 pankkake: not even asking how much it cost
14:54:03 mircea_popescu: whoa check this shit out : Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #wDqzUbLiYxa3zutm
14:54:05 Duffer1: turns out the slaughters are proudly reselling hashfast boards/chips as fast hash mining gear
14:54:11 pankkake: it almost seems like it was paid by the ukyo shares
14:54:46 pankkake: and they will likely forget the claims of lost coins on mtgox
14:55:26 pankkake: there are multiple reports of refunds by check (and only that way) with misspellings and missing signatures
14:55:29 pankkake: seriously…
14:55:44 mircea_popescu: lol
14:56:08 Neil: Geez. I've written the beginnings of a bitcoin network node. It downloads and validates all 293400 block headers in 16.544 seconds.
14:56:18 Neil: Not the block bodies, of course.
14:56:18 mircea_popescu: ;;seen cedivad
14:56:29 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cedivad is that you with bitcointa.lk ?
14:56:47 mircea_popescu: Neil that's pretty good.
14:56:58 mircea_popescu: afaik benkay never got that far :D
14:57:11 Neil: mircea_popescu: Yeah; was initially connecting to a US node; it took 2 minutes. Looked up a Japan node and it just screams.
14:57:15 Duffer1: they botched their own board dev, scrapped their own 48/55/28nm projects, lost 500 coins on gox, outright stole (and admitted to stealing) shares from at least two shareholders, and lied about everything so far
14:57:34 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 sounds like a solid AAAA+ bitcoin corp
14:57:39 mircea_popescu: not like those fly-by-night ventures.
14:57:42 Duffer1: amazing company!
14:57:50 Neil: It's a little over 23 MB of data I think
14:58:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, mpoe-pr is moving to bitcointa.lk
14:58:42 ozbot: Author’s Jarring Claim: The Stock Market Is ‘Rigged’ | Video | TheBlaze.com
15:01:08 VanCleef: why doesn't hshe hang out on irc?
15:01:22 VanCleef: make it less of a sausage party
15:02:04 mircea_popescu: to do what ?
15:03:02 pankkake: .lk lets you "follow" users. cool
15:03:10 pankkake: just need a way to import my watchlist now
15:03:14 VanCleef: a. make it less of a sausage party b. provide some insight on bitcoin securities in real time
15:03:20 mircea_popescu: pankkake i seriously suggest everyone move.
15:03:39 mircea_popescu: thermos & co flea circus needs to end.
15:03:45 VanCleef: agreed
15:03:51 VanCleef: i hate thermos
15:04:04 mircea_popescu: VanCleef she's not better informed than i am you know. she'd just say, "what mp said" all the time.
15:04:10 pankkake: a bunch of mods are scum too (sorry davout!)
15:04:17 VanCleef: fair enough
15:04:32 VanCleef: is she your gf?
15:04:49 pankkake: I'm still thinking of doing a 4chan-for-bitcoin but I have other better things to do!
15:04:53 mircea_popescu: up until yest we had this gentleman agreement of sorts that they don't delete the girl's posts and i look the other way on the endless stupid shit they did.
15:05:04 pankkake: (or other worse things to do I can't avoid)
15:05:12 mircea_popescu: yesterday that line was broken, and with it... there goes.
15:05:24 mircea_popescu: pankkake so do a 4chan, whaty
15:05:32 mircea_popescu: i ran a chan forever, you can have the backup
15:06:00 pankkake: there are some open source projects for that apparently
15:06:08 mircea_popescu: i meant data-wise
15:06:16 mircea_popescu: be nicely seeded with a bunch of good porn, not the shit ozpot spits out
15:06:21 mircea_popescu: maybe even write a proper .bait command.
15:06:31 pankkake: I still wonder how .bait works
15:06:41 mircea_popescu: pulls for tumblr i imagine
15:06:54 pankkake: yes, but I can't guess if it looks for tags or whatever, nor which
15:07:16 mircea_popescu: yea me either.
15:07:30 mircea_popescu: ;;rated cevidad
15:07:33 ThickAsThieves: .bait
15:07:43 pankkake: anyway, I just wonder how it would turn out when there are no nicknames. maybe everyone will be accused of being MP
15:07:56 ThickAsThieves: some big brains on that girl
15:08:12 mircea_popescu: pankkake so it'd be different from now how ?
15:08:29 pankkake: eheh :)
15:08:37 mircea_popescu: incidentally, here's a fun story : the original pythagoreans all claimed all their discoveries were made by... pythagora.
15:08:45 mircea_popescu: which was kinda funny seeing how the guy had been dead for a while.
15:09:02 mircea_popescu: all through modernity this was recounted as a "look how monastically humble those folks were" sort of tale
15:09:19 pankkake: reminds me of the communist dictators
15:09:23 mircea_popescu: but looking at bitcointalk, im realising it may have been the converse : to your average monkey of 500bc, anyone with a brain probably looked like the sockpuppet of the one guy with a brain
15:09:33 mircea_popescu: so they just accused any greek mathematician of "being pythagora"
15:09:34 mircea_popescu: and it stuck.
15:12:20 ThickAsThieves: heh
15:12:57 ThickAsThieves: anyone happen to know the way to look up a UK business license, ive done it before but now i cant recall how
15:13:18 mircea_popescu: ;;google look up a UK business license
15:13:20 VanCleef: so obamacare website ws a complete fail today
15:13:47 *: mircea_popescu lords it over ThickAsThieves
15:14:00 ozbot: Obamacare Website Fails as Deadline Arrives - NBC News
15:14:26 ThickAsThieves: ah that's the one
15:14:28 ozbot: Companies House WebCheck
15:14:40 ThickAsThieves: i ignored it at first cuz home page was spammy looking
15:15:32 ThickAsThieves: "Free" being a red flag i might be too sensitive to
15:22:33 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: what's a defendant risking by participating? his trust rating? that's on the line whether he participates or not!
15:23:09 VanCleef: jesus fucking christ how many threads does active mining need
15:23:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` the judgement, whatever it may be.
15:23:42 ThickAsThieves: one for each whim of each shareholder VanCleef
15:23:58 ThickAsThieves: probly needs its own forum
15:24:04 VanCleef: lol yeh
15:24:17 VanCleef: activeminingtalk.org
15:24:59 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21tp3n/the_following_accounts_are_operated_by_mpex/ oh he deleted it already :(
15:25:00 ozbot: The following accounts are operated by MPEx exchange and affiliates to discredit their competition.
15:25:27 mircea_popescu: derp.
15:25:45 Apocalyptic: "to discredit their competition." // they are already doing a fine job themselves
15:27:04 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic this is really crop of the season stuff.
15:27:19 mircea_popescu: the EXACT same crap was being peddled by all the people upset that mpoe-pr closed down glbse two years ago.
15:27:42 mircea_popescu: they're still around, grumbling. fortunately, they have no btc to show, so it's mostly a vocal exercise.
15:28:26 asciilifeform: i confess that i wonder when i too will be featured on the 'secret soldier-shills of satanix mpex' lists the lamers are so fond of now.
15:28:58 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you would have to post at bitcointroll for that to happen
15:29:51 jayk: hmm
15:31:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reptillian brain is driven by visual cues. so, once you're visible.
15:31:25 nubbins`: so he's risking a negative judgment, and this is the reason to pull the plug on the whole thing? O_O
15:31:44 nubbins`: Hannibal ante portas!
15:31:45 mircea_popescu: nubbins` if he doesn't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees, he has no reason to trust the court with a farthing.
15:32:15 nubbins`: no, YOU don't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees
15:32:18 mircea_popescu: many things in bitcoin are an all or nothing proposition, which is why it's so important to always pick either and stick to it.
15:32:49 mircea_popescu: i dun see why exactly you imagine this is personal in any sense. the court as it was failed to do so, that's objective not subjective.
15:33:02 jayk: the irs needed to stay out of bitcoin
15:33:04 *: jayk punches them
15:33:05 jayk: :\
15:33:20 nubbins`: sure, but the whole thing i was getting at is that the fee structure was flawed from the start, which is why the experiment failed
15:33:32 mircea_popescu: this would seem to be your pet theory, yes.
15:34:04 nubbins`: i have yet to see anything to the contrary aside from some hand-waving about absolutes and subjectivity
15:34:44 Mats_cd03: luls
15:35:10 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 223 | Bitcointa.lk
15:35:17 mircea_popescu: "maybe danny is becoming danielle"
15:35:19 mircea_popescu: epic shit.
15:35:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you don't have to see "anything to the contrary"
15:35:33 mircea_popescu: that's not how arguments work.
15:35:34 pankkake: ah, she had the list!
15:36:03 nubbins`: man has a round hole, a square peg, and a round peg
15:36:09 nubbins`: square peg doesn't fit, so the hole is flawed
15:36:32 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the fallacy known as false dilemma ?
15:36:52 nubbins`: is it where people dance around addressing an issue? :D
15:36:53 mircea_popescu: (aka fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses)
15:37:21 mircea_popescu: no, it's where someone proposes he knows all the alternatives, which happen to be two, of which one happens to be something that didn't work in the past and the other happens to be his pet theory.
15:37:55 nubbins`: i'm not proposing i know all the alternatives, i'm simply proposing one alternative that avoids the pitfalls of the first failure
15:38:13 mircea_popescu: one alternative you claim avoids the pitfals you identify.
15:38:34 nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
15:38:46 mircea_popescu: well, i see not problem with it, but it ain't convincing me.
15:39:09 nubbins`: shame to let such a cute baby starve
15:39:15 mircea_popescu: lol
15:39:25 mircea_popescu: cute babies starve all teh time, it's the way you feed freedom.
15:39:48 asciilifeform: !b 1
15:39:56 bitcoinpete: Although some of you've read my latest blog post, I'm going to leave it here quietly for those who haven't:
15:39:58 nubbins`: ehhh, for someone who goes on about the sham fiat courts so much, i'm more than a bit surprised you gave up on the idea after the first bump in the road
15:40:01 ozbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete
15:40:05 nubbins`: but hey, it's your dime
15:40:13 mircea_popescu: twasnt a bump in the road, twas a major chasm.
15:40:21 mircea_popescu: i just got better flir vision than you'd expect.
15:40:27 nubbins`: heaven forbid you build a bridge
15:40:36 mircea_popescu: whole thing's rotten.
15:40:37 chetty: the time will come to feed that baby nubbins` , but not yet.
15:40:54 benkay: wd Neil, can you share your source?
15:41:07 nubbins`: chetty: well, we're both sidestepping the issue that nobody in btc space is nearly competent enough to serve as a judge of any sort
15:41:12 mircea_popescu: ^
15:41:18 mircea_popescu: no, i'm not sidestepping it lmao.
15:41:40 mircea_popescu: it's the fucking problem. citizen judgeship works if your citizenry consists of slave owning educated people
15:41:47 mircea_popescu: not web denizens
15:41:53 chetty: there are competent judges, but they can't be bothered
15:42:04 nubbins`: well i mean "open call for judges" certainly isn't the way to find 'em
15:42:12 mircea_popescu: the latter argues against the former. what competence of the lazy is this ?!
15:42:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` why not ?
15:42:28 chetty: no lazy, busy
15:42:34 mircea_popescu: ahahaha she's buying neobee shares with aurora coins ok ok
15:43:30 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: because you get applications from -assets neckbeards & wizards who want to crawl up your bum
15:43:45 nubbins`: fun fact, this is not the place where the best and brightest hang out
15:43:52 nubbins`: far, far from it
15:43:55 mircea_popescu: nubbins` maybe, but that has nothing to do : if it's not open it's stacked.
15:44:01 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, what's that place ?
15:44:09 asciilifeform: meta-nsa.
15:44:13 mircea_popescu: the solution is to MAKE the best and brightest hang here.
15:44:23 nubbins`: it's certainly worked so far ;p
15:45:25 nubbins`: almost as well as putting up a lonely blog post worked at fetching judges
15:46:15 mircea_popescu: y so bitter nubsy
15:46:31 nubbins`: something stuck in my craw, nothing personal
15:46:47 nubbins`: this isn't the field of dreams -- you have to do more than build it for people to come
15:47:14 mircea_popescu: weren't you starving babies fifty lines up ?
15:47:34 nubbins`: about the same time you were dancing around straight answers, yep ;D
15:48:10 nubbins`: now, i've gotta get to the post office before this 30cm of freezing rain shows up
15:48:12 mircea_popescu: Of the crooked eyes of humanity no straight answer was ever perceived.
15:48:39 nubbins`: have a chew on the fact that rarely in history has "the best thing" ever ended up at the top of the pile purely on its own merits
15:48:49 nubbins`: unfair as it is, c'est ca
15:48:54 ozbot: Attempt to deposit fake bonds in Vatican bank
15:51:06 mircea_popescu: so am i getting this straight, teh forum is accusing me of backhandedly and undergroundedly manipulating everything while petting my cat and rolling my evil mustachios
15:51:18 mircea_popescu: whereas irc is accusing me of daydreamingly waiting for things to just happen ?
15:51:23 mircea_popescu: i want a trophy for this.
15:52:02 asciilifeform: 'why does physicist need a wife and a mistress? so that he can tell one that he is with the other, while he runs off to the lab to get some actual work in.'
15:54:34 ThickAsThieves: to be fair, ive only ever accussed you of being stubborn and having an acceptably deviant sexual disposition
15:54:50 ThickAsThieves: i think
15:55:07 ThickAsThieves: spelling*
15:55:29 mircea_popescu: TROPHY!!!
15:56:15 ThickAsThieves: you havent issued a trophy process
15:56:22 ThickAsThieves: how can we give you a trophy
15:56:24 ThickAsThieves: lazy fuck
15:57:20 ozbot: Satoshi donated to Dorian fundraiser : Bitcoin
15:57:27 ThickAsThieves: satoshi's a cheap mofo
16:05:52 mircea_popescu: awww sucks
16:06:40 ozbot: C-word: The Oxford English Dictionary adds several adjectival forms of cunt, including cunted and cu
16:07:25 mircea_popescu: cunty ?!
16:09:27 BingoBoingo: Well...
16:11:46 mircea_popescu: "cunt-bitten" ? like moonstricken ?
16:12:26 BingoBoingo: Well cunt is the new moon. ATC is headed to the Cunt.
16:12:32 ozbot: Coinbase Apps
16:12:44 ThickAsThieves: they haz app store now
16:17:21 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty sure that's not actually satoshi
16:18:29 ThickAsThieves: mp, question/advice-seeking: for someone wanting to take an "idea" and turn it into a respectable business plan, or at minimum, some sort of white paper spelling out all the pieces, what would be the best way to approach it? the default would be a stream of conciousness writing process to where you can work from what you make to categorize and sort it all, polishing it over and over
16:18:29 ThickAsThieves: through iteration, but surely you have insight on the matter.
16:19:50 ThickAsThieves: maybe you have a fraudsters link that applies?
16:20:34 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well no, a business plan is a commerce thing. you just need to fill in the specified spots.
16:21:05 ThickAsThieves: so working from a template is sufficient
16:21:10 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the apostolic five w's ?
16:21:17 ThickAsThieves: no
16:21:25 mircea_popescu: i thought you were in journalism ?
16:21:26 ThickAsThieves: who what when where how?
16:21:35 mircea_popescu: who what yes
16:21:52 mircea_popescu: some pope came up with the rule that all reports must be built on this structure
16:21:54 mircea_popescu: sometime in 600ad
16:22:02 ThickAsThieves: i was a layout guy at the paper, thrown into editing some cuz i was not so dumb
16:22:08 mircea_popescu: ah.
16:22:14 kow: high school newspaper
16:22:19 mircea_popescu: thinking may be an unstructured process, like say dreaming
16:22:24 ThickAsThieves: daily rag actually
16:22:46 mircea_popescu: or it can be a structured process. most industry and a good chunk of science, plus engineering (which includes good reporting and good police investigative work) is structured by this principle.
16:23:21 mircea_popescu: this isn't a template, but a structure
16:23:41 ThickAsThieves: ok
16:23:42 mircea_popescu: (the difference is the same as between the rules of static forces on one hand and the facade of a house on the other)
16:24:28 mircea_popescu: (and before anyone lays into me, i'm not really claiming dreaming is unstructured, lay off)
16:24:35 ThickAsThieves: lol
16:25:06 ThickAsThieves: that wiki link wasnt quite applicable
16:25:10 chetty: ThickAsThieves, helps a lot if you have person to bounce ideas around with
16:25:33 ThickAsThieves: what i'm truly setting out to do, is determine whether two of my ideas can really work
16:25:35 mircea_popescu: indeed. and what the bouncer usually has to say is "sucks because what, or sucks because how" etc
16:26:17 ThickAsThieves: one idea would be much easier to map out, the other less so, but i feel the process would force true determination
16:26:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well you'll never know if an idea can or can not *really* work. you should aim to get them / see if they can be gotten to the point where qualified people want to find out if they can work.
16:26:44 ThickAsThieves: i want to convince myself of such
16:26:45 mircea_popescu: no business plan is a proposition of becoming rich.
16:26:49 ThickAsThieves: before trying to convince others
16:27:00 ThickAsThieves: not even about being rich necessarily
16:27:08 mircea_popescu: all business plans are a delineation of something which may or may not be worth finding out if it woirks.
16:27:20 ThickAsThieves: ok
16:27:20 mircea_popescu: they're no different from grants, really.
16:27:33 ThickAsThieves: maybe i should enlist my wife then
16:27:39 ThickAsThieves: she gets grants all the time
16:27:47 mircea_popescu: she can't hurt anything
16:27:52 ThickAsThieves: well...
16:27:56 mircea_popescu: maybe she'll even end up taking you seriously
16:28:01 mircea_popescu: once she actually groks wtf it is.
16:28:11 ThickAsThieves: that is quite possible
16:29:29 ThickAsThieves: just got an email that RENT SPO is on
16:30:53 ThickAsThieves: they did indeed conduct it as i guessed
16:31:17 ThickAsThieves: halted the normal market, and opened the Buy IPO page to only buy new shares
16:32:19 dexX7: https://blockchain.info/address/1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV "Final Balance -221.60279421 BTC" >_>
16:32:21 ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV
16:32:51 Mats_cd03: ThickAsThieves: RS second round?
16:33:47 ThickAsThieves: what's that dexx7?
16:33:57 ThickAsThieves: Mats, 3rd or 4th round by my count
16:34:13 dexX7: bc.i seems to be broken again.. a wallet with negative balance
16:34:46 ThickAsThieves: ah
16:35:38 ThickAsThieves: are you sure it's not just a dumb display method?
16:35:52 ThickAsThieves: like there are doublespends unconfirmed and affecting total
16:35:56 ThickAsThieves: or the like
16:35:59 dexX7: i never saw something like this
16:36:15 ThickAsThieves: seems to be a hevaily used addy
16:36:21 dexX7: true
16:37:10 Apocalyptic: bc.i has been broken for some time
16:41:18 mircea_popescu: lol pretty lulzy.
16:41:29 mircea_popescu: just means the "total available" figure is broken really.
16:43:09 pLambert: anybody want to guess odds that NEOBEE produces a financial statement within the next week?
16:43:32 mircea_popescu: i don't see anything substantially wrong with your 1.4%
16:43:47 pLambert: heh, you saw that?
16:44:05 mircea_popescu: twas in tje digests
16:45:19 pLambert: At least I have my MPEx based investments to offset all the losses from other places :/
16:46:00 mircea_popescu: lmao what have i become ;/
16:46:30 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 224 | Bitcointa.lk
16:46:33 mircea_popescu: she's really sticking it to them isn't she
16:46:59 mircea_popescu: tho perhaps i should say him. that thread's basically reduced to one guy spazzing out and a bunch of people milking him for lulz.
16:47:04 pLambert: you better be careful or they are going to hire her out from under you ... or not
16:48:18 mircea_popescu: funny, they don't want to splurge 30 on a mpex reg, but they do want to spend 35 on the mpoe-pr.
16:48:38 mircea_popescu: which, from all the reviews i've read so far, is really very bad and useless pr doing me a huge disservice.
16:48:47 pLambert: I think they only offered 3, she said she wouldn't do it for 35
16:49:03 benkay: !t h rent
16:49:16 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 224 | Bitcointa.lk
16:49:26 mircea_popescu: looks like there were two people or something.
16:52:40 mircea_popescu: jurov pankkake https://bitcointa.lk/threads/your-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse.290560/#post-5723899
16:54:20 ThickAsThieves: the forum has become beyond useless
16:54:59 novusordo: the only thing I use the forum for nowadays is following updates from friedcat and the trezor fellows
16:55:09 novusordo: and even then I just have automatic alerts to let me know when they post stuff
16:55:11 mircea_popescu: i use it as a sort of daytime sitcom
16:55:34 ThickAsThieves: i cant gather that kind of joy from it
16:56:13 pankkake: well yes it's the "martin" jurov talked about
16:57:20 mircea_popescu: aha
16:57:31 mircea_popescu: the unpaid invoices part seemed novel.
16:58:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and why not ?
16:58:22 benkay: "Modern media exacerbate the challenge of sorting reality from orchestrated perception." http://www.farnamstreetblog.com/2014/03/stanley-mcchrystal-my-share-of-the-task/
16:58:29 ThickAsThieves: for the same reason i cant enjoy Rush Limbaugh i think
16:59:02 mircea_popescu: which one is that
16:59:20 ThickAsThieves: the pill-popping conservative radio sensatinalist
16:59:46 ThickAsThieves: it's just embarassing i the thougth of people taking it seriously compounds that
17:00:27 mircea_popescu: " Limbaugh is among the highest paid people in U.S. media, signing a contract in 2008 for $400 million through 2016.["
17:01:07 ThickAsThieves: yeah the liberals listen to gawk, the idiots listen to fistpump
17:01:14 asciilifeform: wait, the american zhirinovsky ?!
17:01:19 mircea_popescu: lol he actually fistpumps ?
17:01:24 ThickAsThieves: no
17:01:38 ThickAsThieves: i just mean they want their ignorance validated
17:01:40 asciilifeform: (or would that be glenn beck)
17:01:41 ThickAsThieves: and nourished
17:01:49 ThickAsThieves: yeah glenn beck is worse probly
17:02:42 ThickAsThieves: when i read the forums i cant help but think some % is accepting these people as reality
17:02:46 mircea_popescu: does he say anything specific other than obama is bad and the country is going to shit ?
17:03:21 ThickAsThieves: whatever gets the pickup-driving racists to feel good (and buy gold), he says
17:03:23 jurov: that's lulzy, martin/forensick uses bitcoin burza avatar too
17:03:27 mircea_popescu: both of these being fairly uncontroversial and apparently the entire bag of tricks of us conservative pundits
17:04:28 ThickAsThieves: trolling itself is something ive never quite been able to fully digest
17:04:41 mircea_popescu: you're probably too old.
17:05:02 ThickAsThieves: i also dislike april fool's day fwiw
17:05:08 ThickAsThieves: get off my lawn!
17:05:11 mircea_popescu: lol
17:05:38 mircea_popescu: i don't recall the last time someone gathered the guts to try and play a trick on me,
17:05:43 mircea_popescu: but i do recall what i did to them.
17:05:53 ozbot: Edison Echoed as U.S. Court Looks at Software Patents - Businessweek
17:06:34 ThickAsThieves: u dot s dot?
17:06:35 ThickAsThieves: lol
17:07:15 mircea_popescu: "Software makers led by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT:US) say overly strict limits would reduce incentives to develop cutting-edge programs that detect when a car airbag should deploy or let people alter photographs."
17:07:22 mircea_popescu: ahahaha so much lol packed in one sentence
17:07:51 ThickAsThieves: ack it hurts
17:08:12 ThickAsThieves: who let the people photochop!?
17:08:27 ThickAsThieves: let my peepho go!
17:08:53 ThickAsThieves: meanwhile MS is the definition of photo-editing jokes
17:08:56 ThickAsThieves: MS Paint
17:09:07 mircea_popescu: i tell you, really good sentence.
17:09:37 ThickAsThieves: parody v reality aint looking so good for reality
17:10:06 mircea_popescu: ?Switch just two people? the battalion commander and command sergeant major?from the best battalion with those of the worst, and within ninety days the relative effectiveness of the battalions will have switched as well,? I?d say. I still believe I was correct.
17:10:12 novusordo: [KS]: i've seen that, I have my own script I wrote before that came around that sends me a text message when he posts
17:10:26 novusordo: it's nice because i can just use it for any forum member
17:10:36 asciilifeform: 'f Edison were alive today, he would be writing his inventions in software.' << multilayer trololol
17:11:09 mircea_popescu: if elvis were alive today, his name'd be fiona and he'd be doing my laundry.
17:12:00 novusordo: are there any good historical sources of mpex data besides @MPEX1 on twitter? i'm not finding much for historical volume
17:12:09 ThickAsThieves: as long as he'll still sing at weddings!
17:12:40 ThickAsThieves: novusordo, i think coinflow.co still works
17:12:53 mircea_popescu: also this chan, and iirc kakobrekla was selling the whole history db
17:12:55 asciilifeform: afaik the man invented exactly two things - phonograph and... patent trolling
17:13:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
17:13:18 mircea_popescu: so he'd be writing his inventions... in flash.
17:13:20 novusordo: ThickAsThieves: it seems to stop for most assets in october of 2013 for me... not sure why
17:13:59 asciilifeform: although...
17:14:03 asciilifeform: ;;google paleophone
17:14:19 novusordo: i'm looking for historical data that I can crunch
17:14:31 ThickAsThieves: buy it from kako
17:19:27 novusordo: oh, the socket seems to have what i'm looking for
17:19:30 novusordo: didn't see it before
17:19:36 novusordo: herp
17:19:54 mircea_popescu: probably more adequate for high volume processing too.
17:20:10 jurov: novusordo, because live.coinbr started in october 2013. afaik socked uses there data, too
17:20:26 jurov: *these historical data
17:20:38 jurov: for surrent data, it hace dedicated mpex interface
17:21:12 jurov: amazing no one collected them before
17:27:28 asciilifeform: from the loltron:
17:27:30 ozbot: As Cash Use Drops, Do Crime Rates Follow? - Businessweek
17:28:46 mircea_popescu: on pravda today : "Does socialism increase the welfare of the worker ?"
17:29:18 asciilifeform: ;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes
17:50:51 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com mpoe march 2014
17:51:32 ThickAsThieves: http://blog.shubh.am/full-disclosure-coinbase-security/
17:51:42 ThickAsThieves: "Within 30 minutes, I was able to gather 400 unique email addresses, distinctively associated with Bitcoins"
17:53:01 mircea_popescu: lol
17:53:22 mircea_popescu: excellent opportunity for coinbase to display some pr.
17:53:31 ThickAsThieves: "Cuomo Gives Tesla (TSLA) A New York Direct-Sell Pass"
17:53:53 novusordo: i'm having a hard time understanding what 'username' and 'pass' I'm supposed to supply the mpex socket with...
17:54:45 ThickAsThieves: the one you purchased
17:56:29 novusordo: oh, that's what you meant by "buy it from kako" i assume
17:56:45 ThickAsThieves: yessir
17:57:02 ThickAsThieves: you contact him, pay, then he creates access account
17:57:06 ThickAsThieves: afaik
17:57:11 ThickAsThieves: "New regulation requires all cars to have rear-view cameras by 2018"
17:57:33 ThickAsThieves: When will eyes be required on the back of my head to walk?
17:57:40 asciilifeform: 'new regulation requires all cars to have arseview cameras by 2028'
17:57:44 kanzure: backwards google glass
17:58:16 novusordo: surely that means all NEW cars, right?
17:58:26 kanzure: someone should run one of the mtgox email address dumps through that coinbase api endpoint
17:58:55 mircea_popescu: kanzure generally s/someone/i/
17:59:03 kanzure: yeah i should do it
17:59:24 mircea_popescu: a generally available index of "idiots involved in Bitcoin" is a good thing.
17:59:28 kanzure: i'm sure it's going to be the same users
17:59:30 kanzure: yes
17:59:35 mircea_popescu: it'd hurt the idiots, but their pain and suffering is required to build greatness.
17:59:48 kanzure: it wont hurt them any more than they've already hurt themselves
18:00:02 mircea_popescu: exactly.
18:00:07 kanzure: remember, they intentionally signed up to coinbase
18:00:09 kanzure: and even mtgox
18:00:21 mircea_popescu: but it's not ok to let them suffer in silence and privacy.,
18:00:35 mircea_popescu: they must be displayed for the general public, so the general public may learn that idiocy has consequences.
18:00:40 mircea_popescu: *painful* consequences.
18:00:51 kanzure: i dunno about that. that's more thought than i'm willing to put into it.
18:01:01 mircea_popescu: there's also that.
18:01:13 asciilifeform: what'd be the punishment here? more load for their spam filters?
18:01:24 mircea_popescu: public ridicule
18:01:26 kanzure: being phished for the rest of eternity
18:01:35 mircea_popescu: "you claim to be a human being, but you are actually subhuman, because look :"
18:01:55 kanzure: basically everyone in that 2011 mtgox dump is target for phishing
18:02:06 kanzure: and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so
18:02:24 mircea_popescu: kanzure how exactly did you form this opinion on coinbase ?
18:02:26 asciilifeform: phish neither picks your pockets nor breaks yer bones, unless one is stupid
18:02:31 kanzure: mircea_popescu: huh?
18:02:38 mircea_popescu: "and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so"
18:02:51 kanzure: mircea_popescu: i mean they are a target for phishing if they also signed up for coinbase
18:03:06 mircea_popescu: a a
18:03:11 asciilifeform: for what it's worth, i had (empty) accounts on both.
18:03:12 kanzure: mircea_popescu: because they have trouble discriminating between good bitcoin ideas and poor bitcoin ideas ("hand over bitcoins to a third-party")
18:03:14 *: asciilifeform oils spam filter
18:03:24 kanzure: asciilifeform: that's worth at least something..
18:03:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, i had accounts on neither, but that doesn't prevent people from trying to phish and etc
18:04:05 kanzure: oh have you gotten phishing emails targeted to you?
18:04:08 kanzure: that's curious
18:04:12 mircea_popescu: i think there must exist somewhere people doing email spiderin by hgand
18:04:51 Mats_cd03: attacking a form without a rate limit... how has coinbase gone this long with this problem?
18:04:54 mircea_popescu: kanzure i was just writing about one as ThickAsThieves posted that link
18:05:05 ThickAsThieves: probly multi-part teams, with one guy assigned to high-value targets
18:05:08 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 cuz nobody srsly cares about em ?
18:05:11 ThickAsThieves: he's the one working by hand
18:06:10 asciilifeform: to all spammers: the folks still using btc-related-whatevers on winblows are in dire need of your loving personal attention.
18:06:20 Mats_cd03: the next thing that poster is going to say in a week is, the password reset form doesnt have a rate limit either and oops, a quarter of the accounts have been looted cause an attacker bruteforced the idiots
18:07:13 kanzure: well they have rate limits on amount of bitcoin they can send at a time on coinbase because of how they claim their cold storage system works
18:07:17 Mats_cd03: yc needs better security experts on their staff
18:07:23 kanzure: so at minimum they have to pretend they have limits in order to not reveal that their cold storage sytsem isn't cold
18:08:06 ThickAsThieves: but jesus antonopoulis says it's sufficiently chilly
18:08:14 ThickAsThieves: or was that blockchain?
18:14:27 nanotube: benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :)
18:28:30 ozbot: Are Aircraft Carriers the New West Berlin?
18:29:14 Mats_cd03: interesting idea, there, about playing chicken with national security
18:33:55 ozbot: Spam and malware, let’s be cool together. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:36:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'he either buys a beer for whatever famished kid working in whatever poor quality ?website design shop? to obtain credentials, or perhaps just simply is the famished kid in question' << sadder than that. the creds typically come from an idiot inside a given shop who bit a trojan hook himself.
18:37:14 mircea_popescu: also possible, yes.
18:37:46 mircea_popescu: in this case, i doubt the people working at the ro firm actually have access to the server tho
18:37:49 asciilifeform: spam behaves just like other 'multilevel' crapola, in that the objective is typically... to find more places to send spam from.
18:37:52 mircea_popescu: for reasons of sheer ineptitude
18:38:10 mircea_popescu: ie, managing excel is a demanding intellectual task.
18:38:40 asciilifeform: all one needs is to pwn one machine from which someone at least occasionally logs on to the box
18:38:50 mircea_popescu: but that's what im saying
18:38:54 mircea_popescu: the box was never logged into, ever.
18:38:58 mircea_popescu: look at that website.
18:39:43 nubbins`: i don't want my airbag to have the power to decide whether i'm allowed to alter photographs :(
18:39:45 mircea_popescu: it was made sometime in 200x, never to be touched again
18:39:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'For Science' (tm) post the sha of payload
18:40:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's worse than that. the lolcats have the power to decide if your airbang opens
18:40:18 mircea_popescu: i can forward you the entire thing if you're curious
18:40:23 asciilifeform: lolcats decide if your... throttle opens.
18:40:39 asciilifeform: dollars to doughbuts, sha will suffice.
18:40:52 mircea_popescu: heck, let me send you a list of this shit :D
18:41:32 Mats_cd03: i'll take a copy of the zip if you'd upload it
18:41:52 nubbins`: new regulation requires all cars to have under-the-nuts-view cameras by 2015
18:42:36 mircea_popescu: you can have a fwd, pm an email.
18:55:31 ozbot: Looks like Darkwallet was a scam [x-post TheHub] : Bitcoin
18:55:39 the20year2: lies
18:55:43 mircea_popescu: lol
18:57:12 ozbot: Report: RSA endowed crypto product with second NSA-influenced code | Ars Technica
18:58:22 asciilifeform: pankkake: seems like just more crap re: EC_DRBG
19:01:12 benkay: ThickAsThieves: software is hard. whocouldanode.
19:01:50 asciilifeform: benkay: software isn't hard. let's not go shopping.
19:01:50 benkay: man this is what i have to say to people who crowdfund software: http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/johnny-cash-finger-2.jpg?w=700
19:02:15 benkay: sure, it's never the actual software.
19:02:38 benkay: it's the estimation, constraints, fractal nature of coastline, overreaching ambitions, unmanaged expectations...
19:03:19 asciilifeform: ...and folks who don't even bother, and scamplan from beginning.
19:03:41 benkay: i want to ship a shitload of features! it's going to cost 500B.
19:03:58 asciilifeform: 'i promise to ship a shitload of xxxx. send me xxxB.'
19:04:42 benkay: another thing is, as i said to my colleague recently re a contractor: "ain't nobody motivated by money in the bank."
19:05:35 mircea_popescu: now that's definitely a thing.
19:05:46 mircea_popescu: "There is an empirical problem with the debate over United States military strategy towards China: aircraft carriers are ?dead,? but they can still be seen patrolling the Western Pacific."
19:05:55 benkay: this is very similar to the constant ongoing mining fiasco and how product tends to get delivered (in my extremely limited experience): "you ship a thing. it shows up on my door. if it works, 30 days later i send you a check. otherwise, get out of my face."
19:06:06 mircea_popescu: well obviously. the us can't quite afford to abandon the notion
19:06:20 mircea_popescu: benkay sounds a lot like a mp quote :D
19:06:20 benkay: this in fact is how we run our shop. we sit down, figure out what crazy ideas you have, how to make them into an actual thing, and then work on it at a predetermined rate for a period of time.
19:06:22 benkay: then we bill you.
19:06:31 benkay: "great artists steal"
19:06:52 benkay: fifteen days after the postmark date, we expect to see remuneration.
19:07:06 benkay: that's essentially net 45. think of the float you could be making on our backs!
19:07:22 mircea_popescu: lol myeah.
19:07:39 joecool: that's basically groupon's business model
19:08:12 joecool: except they don't do anything but hold the money for awhile and gamble before paying the merchants
19:10:05 mircea_popescu: more complicated than that. the groupon business model was basically to try and create a scale advantage on both ends.
19:10:28 mircea_popescu: specifically : supermarkets exist to scam consumers, because the supermarket is large, so it can tell any small farmer to stfu and get lost
19:10:39 mircea_popescu: and it can similarly tell any town dweller to stfu and starve.
19:10:50 mircea_popescu: this allows them to buy everything very cheap and sell it as expensive as they want.
19:10:58 mircea_popescu: this is sam walton's business idea, really.
19:11:12 the20year2: The reason they exist is because the consumers demanded year-round goods
19:11:17 mircea_popescu: many lines aren't amenable to the supermarket model, but groupon tried to bring them into the same economics.
19:11:55 mircea_popescu: had it succeeded to make it so "all the buyers are on groupon", it's model of "give us everything for free" would have worked on the merchants.
19:11:58 mircea_popescu: and vice-versa, of course.
19:12:47 joecool: it still works for some merchants that don't have access to their own in-house mailing list
19:12:57 joecool: to gain exposure, it's just not as big as hoped for
19:13:07 mircea_popescu: the20year2 moreover, that's phase 2 material. obviously the supermarket can train the clueless consumer in a number of ways to build a moat around itself.
19:13:24 mircea_popescu: but this recent "can't eat an apple with a spot" neurosis is not naturally occuring in human populations.
19:14:10 the20year2: Certainly is if the population is to continue to grow, if you continue on with less efficient methods of food delivery people starve
19:14:15 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, independent romanian farmers sell 5% milk for 0.5 lei, and 1.5% milk is on sale in the supermarkets for... 6 lei.
19:14:31 mircea_popescu: that's a 95% margin for the supermarket.
19:14:51 the20year2: Median supermarket margins in the US are 15%
19:15:08 mircea_popescu: the20year2 that data is corrupted, and milk is a fine example.
19:15:37 mircea_popescu: try and make a farm selling milk at cost +15% in say california.
19:16:00 mircea_popescu: (they recently had a case about how illegal all this is)
19:18:23 jurov: oh, we have better rackets
19:18:45 jurov: billa moves unsold produce from austria here
19:18:55 jurov: and sells it here for higher price
19:19:34 jurov: every time i'm shopping in austria i must fight rage, everything is really fresher
19:19:39 mircea_popescu: lol
19:21:04 mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever bouight supermarket-anything
19:21:17 mircea_popescu: but it's fucking ridiculous that i have to maintain a private supply network in fucking 2014
19:21:24 mircea_popescu: you'd think it's 1984 all over again or some shit.
19:22:23 benkay: or 1300
19:22:34 benkay: your castle needs a supply chain
19:22:38 benkay: what's so novel about that?
19:22:44 benkay: the rest of us grub in the dirt for spuds.
19:22:49 benkay: doesn't sound so novel.
19:23:50 mircea_popescu: yes well for crying out loud.
19:25:52 jurov: fortunately, farmers sell over internet now
19:27:18 benkay: vegetables in the mail for bitcoin
19:27:28 benkay: also stop spraying veggies with water
19:27:31 benkay: fucking stupid.
19:27:34 benkay: "fresh!"
19:37:00 ozbot: Sequestration Will Hollow Our Military
19:38:17 mircea_popescu: "On alert, this tattered, morally compromised army was to clear post in under an hour, move to its defensive positions on the West German border with the Warsaw Pact, fight outnumbered five to one and win. Such odds were daunting."
19:40:07 the20year2: your point?
19:41:22 mircea_popescu: that the us army at no point past ww2 had a standing chance in europe.
19:41:41 the20year2: Very much correct, it was always assumed to go nuclear within 24hrs of the outbreak of conflict
19:42:28 mircea_popescu: yeah, that's what the planning mostly planned for.
19:42:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, just some retired something or the other harping about how expensive and hard it is.
19:43:15 the20year2: to secure europe from the evil russian bear?
19:43:29 benkay: blackwater will eventually own texas, much like the roman mercs ate the empire.
19:43:40 thestringpuller: no march MPOE statement?
19:43:40 pLambert: "In 1974, one could easily find company-sized organizations in U.S. Army Europe" wth does the US have so many troops in Europe?
19:44:02 the20year2: To prevent steamrolling of western europe from Wpac
19:44:09 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller since the option thing is ended ima report it end of month line normal assets.
19:44:15 jurov: thestringpuller MPOE is suspended
19:44:18 benkay: no options, no statement, thestringpuller. who cares, anyways? it's a scam under investigation by the SEC. doomed, I tell you (to enjoy the new scion TC!)
19:44:24 mircea_popescu: pLambert i suspect it was part of the marshall plan
19:44:50 pLambert: and a corrolary: why do we STILL have so many troops in Europe?
19:44:59 mircea_popescu: because yougotta pay to play.
19:45:29 mircea_popescu: if some guy in my neighbourhood decided to go around telling everyone he's the bestest there is, i'd also expect him to send a nubile young woman around for purposes with some frequency.
19:46:04 the20year2: benkay: what stock?
19:46:11 Mats_cd03: funny enough, some countries wont admit to liking having american troops on their soil
19:46:18 mircea_popescu: course not.
19:46:26 Mats_cd03: but they like having american money flowing into local economies
19:46:34 Mats_cd03: laugh
19:46:37 the20year2: arms exports/imports is a nice money maker
19:47:16 benkay: keybase blowback ramping up: http://blog.lizdenys.com/2014/03/31/refusing-to-verify-myself/
19:47:39 benkay: the20year2: logs, man. gotta read 'em. sometimes just like 20 lines back.
19:47:56 pLambert: this guy bitching about "sequestration", has the US defense budget actually gone down at all? I thought we were still spending more every year?
19:48:19 mircea_popescu: pLambert nop but he has a point. it went down very little overall but it cut very badly.
19:48:28 the20year2: guess i'm just not seeing it
19:48:44 the20year2: pLambert: yes, it's set to diminish by a decent amount due to iraq, afghanistan and drawdowns
19:49:03 benkay: in inflationary regime, static budgets are cuts, pLambert
19:49:11 the20year2: Granted, in my personal opinion (As controversial as it is), it's like every other government program, cutting things that are important, expanding things that buy votes
19:49:20 pLambert: And he thinks we should spend just as much, even though we are not actually fighting anybody?
19:49:47 the20year2: The budget is 600-650b, and they want to decrease it to around 500b
19:49:57 mircea_popescu: benkay wait, that's not your girl, is it ?
19:49:57 pLambert: grr, politics makes me angry
19:50:05 the20year2: By reducing manpower, officer corps, cutting basic programs, ect
19:50:44 mircea_popescu: pLambert his intuition is correct, in that the us has no economy, and no technical ability. cutting the army is like cutting its own throat.
19:50:45 benkay: mircea_popescu: naw man i like 'em effeminate and making dinner not deep in the server room.
19:50:54 the20year2: Which I have a problem with, when programs like LCS and the F35 are front and center taking up significant sums of money for low results
19:50:56 bounce: re minimum crime, how does upping the crime rate increase the incentive not to go into crime?
19:51:35 mircea_popescu: bounce take whores. if there's a whore on every corner and prices are low, is your pretty daughter more likely or less likely to start cutting class for to taking it up the tail ?
19:51:41 pLambert: is F35 the one which was designed to fight against russians and has never been used?
19:51:46 mircea_popescu: yeah.
19:52:04 mircea_popescu: and by the latest reports couldn't fight against the russians even if it wanted to.
19:52:07 the20year2: The airplane that does nothing more than the plane we built in the early 90s for $200m/unit
19:52:36 bounce: dunno. "everyone's doing it, it's fun!" appears to be a powerful motivator.
19:52:54 mircea_popescu: but that's not the real edge. the guy selling it to her is more likely to not bother, is the real edge.
19:53:16 mircea_popescu: thinking the girl acts of her own volition is a little rich.
19:53:18 Mats_cd03: i rather appreciate whats being done with the f35 personally
19:53:27 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 how's that go ?
19:53:30 the20year2: compared to the f22/yf23?
19:53:47 mircea_popescu: benkay so maybe tell her about this marvelous wot thing we got ? liz i mean.
19:53:49 Mats_cd03: maybe in 30 years we'll be fielding Transformers models of Starscream
19:54:06 Mats_cd03: (yes i know starscream is an f-15)
19:54:07 bounce: whether it's her girlish friends pulling her in or a pimp looking for more meat to sell is a different mechanism but with the same effect; question then is which'll be stronger
19:54:18 jurov: i heard funny hypothesis that f35 is chinese inside job to bleed usg dry
19:54:33 Mats_cd03: well no i think the project is cool and i dont have a lot of problems with pouring R&D money into potentially useful technology
19:54:42 the20year2: corrupt politicians vying for money to their districts makes alot more sense
19:54:45 bounce: likewise, getting robbed often enough is a strong incentive to no longer run a shop (or at least not here, or maybe not a jeweller but a gunsmith, who knows)
19:54:53 Mats_cd03: even if its basically a laundry list of cool shit we want our super plane to have
19:54:55 the20year2: I'm curious what signfiicant tech the f35 produces that the f22/f35 didn't have
19:54:59 mircea_popescu: bounce and wide availability and a commodified market reduces the pull.
19:55:23 Mats_cd03: well, vtol for one
19:55:32 mircea_popescu: a vtol fighter jet ? srsly ?
19:55:49 Mats_cd03: or for that matter, svtol
19:55:51 mircea_popescu: why not make it submersible ?
19:55:56 bounce: it'll be inferior to the harrier, like as not.
19:55:59 Mats_cd03: that'd be awesome, we should do that next
19:56:07 bounce: thunderbirds are go!
19:56:09 mircea_popescu: how about also making it cockshaped ?
19:56:12 Mats_cd03: balla balla
19:56:18 mircea_popescu: a submersible flying penis with missiles.
19:56:40 jurov: it should be able to to burrow, too
19:57:07 mircea_popescu: i would imagine that's how it lands.
19:57:34 bounce: yeah no, I don't think it's straight up incentive, or at least not as strong as implied as there's strong pull the other way too. eg gangs don't extinguish themselves
19:57:40 Mats_cd03: anyway, not all the f-35 series planes are the same
19:58:01 Mats_cd03: e.g. one (two?) isnt a fighter jet
19:58:23 bounce: f35 is a brilliant scam, actually. getting permission to deliver production planes when the prototype hasn't had its maiden flight
19:58:23 Mats_cd03: f-35 is useful for air to surface, whereas f-22 is designed for air to air
19:58:35 Mats_cd03: it has had its maiden flight... a long time ago
19:58:54 mircea_popescu: bounce it's a balance point. the whole idea is that stable situations are stable, and derivation from that mean is unstable.
19:59:06 mircea_popescu: nothing much harder than that.
19:59:58 ozbot: First F-35B Vertical Takeoff Test | Military.com
20:00:16 bounce: oh I get the point that there'll be some equilibrium or other (pterry's vetinary letting the crime guild regulate the crime) but I don't think the equation is that simple
20:00:28 bounce: s/ary/ari/
20:00:39 Mats_cd03: is so majestic *tear
20:01:13 mircea_popescu: bounce inasmuch as it's not even an equation.
20:01:26 mircea_popescu: but in general, the crime guild does much better a job of regulating crime than any other guild.
20:01:39 mircea_popescu: the usual problem is that there's no capable criminals to make a guild in the first place, nothing else.
20:02:02 bounce: alright, an inequality, and there's an epsilon, but sheesh.
20:02:39 jurov: wait, the VTO is only for short distance move?
20:02:42 bounce: leadership isn't easy to come by, no. random democratic and/or republican countries haven't managed it in a long time for the usual positions either
20:03:05 mircea_popescu: right.
20:03:09 asciilifeform: 'keybase' is still alive!?
20:03:27 jurov: such fail. two heli blades would likely be lighter and more efficient
20:03:33 asciilifeform: what does it need to do, fly the 'full spectrum dominance' squid flag?
20:03:39 ThickAsThieves: MArck Cuban is a finance expert now?
20:03:43 ThickAsThieves: “The risk isn’t so much about the small investor,” Mr. Cuban said. “The risk is all these different high-frequency traders playing a game with their algorithms, trying to trick each other, to get in front of each other to make that trade.
20:03:43 ThickAsThieves: “And because we don’t know all the algorithms, because we don’t know the end factorial and all of the different ways they may interact, there are negative consequences that occur as a result. That introduces a market risk. That market risk has an unquantifiable cost. We saw it in one instance with the flash crash. We see it every day with little mini-flash crashes.”
20:03:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform liz is a naive chick.
20:03:50 Mats_cd03: jurov for some relative value of short, it doesnt go very far and i dont think you can carry much of a payload either
20:04:28 Mats_cd03: its certainly not as efficient as the chinook
20:04:44 bounce: if I'd wanted to be mean I'd point out that the space shuttle looked spiffy enough but didn't do a very good job of shuttling, n'mind at a suitably low price tag. not that hard to argue it set humanity's progress toward colonising space back a good score years or so.
20:04:58 Mats_cd03: (fastest fixed-wing craft in the army iirc due to two rotors)
20:05:43 bounce: the f35 is made of the same sort of undeliverium
20:06:01 mircea_popescu: bounce do argue.
20:06:07 asciilifeform: shitanium chassis, unobtainium semiconductors...
20:06:33 Mats_cd03: if murica didnt want politicians building airplanes, they shoudnt have elected politicians to build airplanes
20:06:35 bounce: where's that piece reporting on the incoming chief de mission that dug a bit and found fscktons of rot?
20:07:40 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate) < perhaps, but thats is not the reason people fell for them
20:07:51 mircea_popescu: true, true.
20:08:01 mircea_popescu: as a selling point it's perhaps innovative. surely beats ken slaughter's garage.
20:08:07 kakobrekla: yes
20:09:09 bounce: explains it better than I could. if reduced at absurdum it's inevitably too expensive to ever fly well, and it very much looks like lockheed martin deliberately aimed for that because a project that looks it'll succeed Real Soon Now but never really does is the ultimate goose with the golden eggs for the military industrial complex
20:11:27 mircea_popescu: bounce in the end this isn't such a very good argument.
20:14:31 kakobrekla: <ThickAsThieves> kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it < get to werk then!
20:15:11 mircea_popescu: Like the US garrison in West Berlin, aircraft carriers are relatively defenseless, but they have a separate function as a highly visible warning about US resolve. Today, a strategy of mobile ?tripwires? is neither credible nor prudent, but it is worth studying because it may actually be implemented.
20:15:12 mircea_popescu: Specifically, our bargaining chip against Beijing is to make things uncomfortably apocalyptic. The point is less what the carrier can do and more what an attack on it promises?full retaliation, and a war that may quickly get out of hand. As ASPI analyst Harry White observed last month , ?the idea is that anyone who attacks as valuable an asset as a US carrier should expect a significant response.? Internation
20:15:12 mircea_popescu: ally, a successful strike would deeply wound American prestige, especially if it went unanswered. Domestically, the deaths of six thousand crewmembers would generate almost unbearable political pressures for revenge. Our entries into WWII and the Global War on Terror were sparked by less.
20:15:22 mircea_popescu: this is basically... cruisin' for a bruisin'.
20:20:27 asciilifeform: 'It was he who invented
20:20:27 asciilifeform: _Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier.
20:20:27 asciilifeform: _Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended
20:20:27 asciilifeform: up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand.
20:20:27 asciilifeform: The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was
20:20:27 asciilifeform: then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were
20:20:29 asciilifeform: enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm.
20:20:31 asciilifeform: The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of
20:20:33 asciilifeform: the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where
20:20:35 asciilifeform: any subcontractors might fall.
20:20:37 asciilifeform: The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It
20:20:39 asciilifeform: would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the
20:20:41 asciilifeform: state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and
20:20:43 asciilifeform: it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside.
20:20:45 asciilifeform: In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting
20:20:49 asciilifeform: the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required
20:20:51 asciilifeform: turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every
20:20:53 asciilifeform: hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of
20:20:55 asciilifeform: the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling,
20:20:57 asciilifeform: the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft
20:20:59 asciilifeform: skirt required.
20:21:01 asciilifeform: Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There
20:21:03 asciilifeform: were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck,
20:21:05 asciilifeform: would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and
20:21:08 asciilifeform: millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and
20:21:10 asciilifeform: commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day
20:21:15 asciilifeform: _Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator
20:21:15 asciilifeform: who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica
20:21:17 asciilifeform: while the bill was railroaded through.
20:21:21 asciilifeform: From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans
20:21:23 asciilifeform: which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so
20:21:25 asciilifeform: powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created
20:21:27 asciilifeform: dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested
20:21:29 asciilifeform: expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to
20:21:31 asciilifeform: solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding
20:21:33 asciilifeform: agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out
20:21:35 asciilifeform: before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they
20:21:37 asciilifeform: found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to
20:21:39 pLambert: ack, wth asciilifeform, use a link
20:21:39 asciilifeform: accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it
20:21:41 asciilifeform: would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source
20:21:43 asciilifeform: (though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered).
20:21:45 asciilifeform: Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs
20:21:47 asciilifeform: had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the
20:21:51 asciilifeform: entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course
20:21:53 asciilifeform: the project had too much momentum to cancel, but unless there were visible
20:21:55 asciilifeform: results, trimming would begin. Doddly went before a Congressional committee to
20:21:57 asciilifeform: argue eloquently for his monster. He pointed to valuable spin-offs: the
20:21:59 asciilifeform: Department of Agriculture now knew much more about binding topsoils. But
20:22:01 asciilifeform: secretly he was worried, as his diary showed:
20:22:03 asciilifeform: '
20:22:05 asciilifeform: 'It was he who invented
20:22:07 asciilifeform: _Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier.
20:22:09 asciilifeform: _Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended
20:22:11 asciilifeform: up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand.
20:22:13 asciilifeform: The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was
20:22:15 asciilifeform: then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were
20:22:17 asciilifeform: enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm.
20:22:21 asciilifeform: The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of
20:22:23 asciilifeform: the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where
20:22:25 pLambert: oh shit, he is repeating the whole thing again
20:22:25 asciilifeform: any subcontractors might fall.
20:22:27 asciilifeform: The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It
20:22:29 jayk: oh dear
20:22:29 asciilifeform: would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the
20:22:31 asciilifeform: state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and
20:22:33 asciilifeform: it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside.
20:22:35 asciilifeform: In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting
20:22:37 asciilifeform: the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required
20:22:39 asciilifeform: turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every
20:22:40 jayk: my eyes cannot keep up with this shit
20:22:41 asciilifeform: hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of
20:22:43 asciilifeform: the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling,
20:22:45 asciilifeform: the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft
20:22:47 asciilifeform: skirt required.
20:22:50 *: jayk screams
20:22:51 asciilifeform: Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There
20:22:53 asciilifeform: were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck,
20:22:55 asciilifeform: would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and
20:22:58 asciilifeform: millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and
20:23:00 asciilifeform: commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day
20:23:02 asciilifeform: _Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator
20:23:04 asciilifeform: who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica
20:23:06 asciilifeform: while the bill was railroaded through.
20:23:08 asciilifeform: From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans
20:23:10 asciilifeform: which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so
20:23:12 asciilifeform: powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created
20:23:14 asciilifeform: dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested
20:23:16 asciilifeform: expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to
20:23:20 pLambert: guesses as to whether it will repeat a third time?
20:23:20 asciilifeform: solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding
20:23:22 asciilifeform: agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out
20:23:24 asciilifeform: before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they
20:23:26 asciilifeform: found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to
20:23:29 asciilifeform: accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it
20:23:30 asciilifeform: would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source
20:23:32 asciilifeform: (though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered).
20:23:33 benkay: asciilifeform: would you pastebin?
20:23:34 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you should /part
20:23:34 asciilifeform: Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs
20:23:36 asciilifeform: had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the
20:23:38 asciilifeform: entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course
20:23:48 jayk: good riddance
20:23:52 Apocalyptic: benkay, I assume it wasn't an intentional paste
20:24:10 thestringpuller: benkay: stop being a hippie
20:24:13 jayk: lol
20:24:27 joecool: lawl asciilifeform just ruined some days
20:24:30 benkay: thestringpuller: go back to the ghetto
20:24:55 benkay: wb asciilifeform :)
20:24:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform donation... -> 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb
20:25:35 asciilifeform: how much
20:25:39 bounce: http://www.alternet.org/fail-400-billion-military-jet-cant-fly-cloudy-weather?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark http://www.pogo.org/blog/2013/02/why-the-f-35-lightning-cant-fly-in-lightning-yet.html and perhaps http://www.pogo.org/blog/2014/02/heres-what-60-minutes-didnt-tell-you-about-the-f-35.html
20:25:41 ozbot: Fail The $400 Billion Military Jet That Can't Fly in Cloudy Weather | Alternet
20:26:04 mircea_popescu: afaik it was up to the malfeasant
20:26:08 bounce: a little perspective here, some tidbits there, add it together and the picture isn't pretty
20:26:29 bounce: can't recall if this is what I recalled, but it sounds familiar
20:27:08 ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction b649dbbd792cd03e6a472e53596877a08e41053a6078595ce712c37935445742
20:27:16 asciilifeform: mea culpa.
20:28:18 asciilifeform: 1btc for the motherland.
20:29:15 mircea_popescu: inb4 we discover haxxors got it.
20:29:35 asciilifeform: lol
20:33:13 asciilifeform: where do these go anyway
20:33:34 mircea_popescu: i would imagine to kako's beer fund
20:34:05 asciilifeform: should be good for a small barrel.
20:34:15 mircea_popescu: prolly pay for the wiki
20:37:38 diametric: asciilifeform: what is that?
20:39:23 artifexd: What is the precedent for asciilifeform's donation? I don't see anything about it in http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
20:40:50 mircea_popescu: artifexd i dunno, it's been illo tempore policy that people accidentally spamming or otherwise unintentionally misbehave contribute to the port fund
20:41:25 artifexd: Interesting
20:41:39 asciilifeform: unwritten tradition
20:43:12 bounce: re strangecoin, I get the feeling I can stop reading after this: ``Of course, when I give you a dollar for a burger that's not really a zero sum transaction, because otherwise we wouldn't be motivated to enter into the transaction in the first place.'' -- conflating currency-mediated transactions with barter
20:43:42 asciilifeform: strangecoin?
20:44:04 ozbot: digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency
20:45:16 mircea_popescu: if people's understanding of cuisine are on par with their understanding of basic economy, suddenly food in the us is explained.
20:46:16 bounce: .oO( BurgerCoin )
20:46:18 mircea_popescu: so i wonder if teh numerous sikrit agents dutifully scraping this are also dutifully scraping my in-guild rift convos.
20:46:33 mircea_popescu: memo : teh in-game chat systems are often abused to move sikrits!
20:46:49 mircea_popescu: come one come all, i just kicked inactives and we're down to like 800 members nao. taking all comers.
20:46:55 bounce: so TISAC, then
20:49:06 mircea_popescu: ;;google tisac
20:50:26 bounce: ;;google (TINC)
20:50:40 bounce: nope. no easy google for you.
20:52:21 mircea_popescu: lolk
20:57:36 Duffer1: !t h rent
20:57:56 benkay: now is that the old tranche or the new tranche, the20year1?
20:58:03 benkay: !l h rent
20:58:14 benkay: or are they all the same now?
20:58:23 Mats_cd03: anyway, a final word regarding the f-35 vs f-22 conversation...
20:58:50 Mats_cd03: the two are meant to work together as envisioned by the usaf
20:59:13 mircea_popescu: so wait a damned second.
20:59:15 Mats_cd03: similarly to how the f-15 and -16 worked together in a mix of relative low and high tech
20:59:27 mircea_popescu: "someone" bought 105 btc worth of rent at 0.0075 today,
20:59:37 mircea_popescu: but the same someone didn't buy 30 btc worth of rent all week
20:59:49 mircea_popescu: in spite of it trading around 50ish for the entire interval ?
20:59:53 mircea_popescu: how's this stuff work ?
21:00:03 ThickAsThieves: magic, mostly
21:00:51 ThickAsThieves: same way it worked for btcgarden?
21:00:58 ThickAsThieves: buy your own shit, momentum!
21:01:05 mircea_popescu: nuts.
21:01:44 Duffer1: wasn't rent trading halted during that period?
21:02:29 bounce: too bad for the US' alies then that the f22 is too advanced to be exported even to NATO partners
21:02:29 punkman1: how do you even IPO twice? sounds like an oxymoron
21:04:02 mircea_popescu: punkman1 2po
21:05:12 ThickAsThieves: this is the 3rd or 4th offering i think
21:05:38 bounce: Many PO
21:14:02 mircea_popescu: "Listen porky...
21:14:02 mircea_popescu: If Danny really wanted to scam people, he would have done that right after the IPO but he didn't. He went ahead and invested money in setting up the office, hiring staffers, media campaigns, buying POS devices, sending his hired staffers to conferences and so on.
21:14:02 mircea_popescu: He could have taken off with all the money right after the IPO but he didn't."
21:14:19 mircea_popescu: what IS the word there anyway, any pdfs yet ?
21:15:10 kakobrekla: pdfs? those you have to read. gimme flash.
21:15:26 bounce: can't you stuff flash in pdfs these days?
21:15:57 kakobrekla: dunno, prolly with a powerpoint plugin
21:17:08 bounce: actually acrobat supports way beyond what's decent for a pdf reader
21:17:49 benkay: acrobat a whore
21:24:53 benkay: great tits on that one
21:24:58 mircea_popescu: indeed.
21:25:08 benkay: man so i have this pm who'd love nothing more than to get my guys fired
21:25:12 benkay: we're expensive etc
21:25:15 ozbot: Square Market Accepts Bitcoin
21:25:23 benkay: sets us up for a deploy this afternoon
21:25:31 benkay: ten minutes before scheduled deploy
21:25:43 benkay: 'HOLD THE PHONES B I FORGOT TO INFORM ADMIN STAFF ABOUT DEPLOY WAIT WAIT WAIT'
21:26:13 benkay: mind you i've already sent the executive team the 'deploy briefing' email i'm in the habit of sending out before deploys...
21:26:37 benkay: in conclusion, i have determined that the PMs incompetence is undermining his malice.
21:26:52 benkay: either that or he's playing some crazy game i don't understand.
21:27:07 benkay: ('executive team')
21:27:21 benkay: *sigh*
21:28:50 mircea_popescu: blackwhite yeah was announced yest no ?
21:29:15 blackwhite: no we announced it today
21:29:31 mircea_popescu: i coulda sworn
21:30:13 Mats_cd03: that was stripe
21:30:18 mircea_popescu: ><
21:30:23 mircea_popescu: it was. my bad.
21:30:38 blackwhite: yeah they are doing it in beta
21:31:04 benkay: for whom has accepting bitcoin been a big business booster?
21:31:06 benkay: ostock?
21:31:16 mircea_popescu: blackwhite so you actually working for square ?
21:31:21 blackwhite: TigerDirect
21:31:36 blackwhite: they claim they saved more than 10K in fees alone
21:33:19 benkay: it's like consumer 'any txn we can get' ------------------------ elite '1 tx of 5m every two or three months'
21:33:31 benkay: nobody making serious bank with it.
21:34:21 pankkake: so what? less fees less fraud, why would you not do it?
21:34:52 mircea_popescu: ^
21:35:10 mircea_popescu: it may not make much sense for brick and mortar small businesses a la meze grill
21:35:18 mircea_popescu: however, for an online retailer ? lifeline.
21:35:37 mircea_popescu: just the fact that nobody can chargeback you and pp can't hold your wallet at ransom and that;s enough for anyone sane.
21:35:55 benkay: gotta have the business first tho. no sense in "its gonna work 'cause bitcoin"
21:36:11 pankkake: I spent a week trying to verify my "identity" with a french paypal-like
21:36:15 mircea_popescu: course gotta have the business first.
21:36:30 mircea_popescu: pankkake since bitcoin my response to any sort of such thing is lol.
21:36:37 mircea_popescu: and perhaps, if i feel in a good mood, "get in the wot"
21:36:39 mircea_popescu: but mostly, lol.
21:36:43 pankkake: since they did not read the text I was sending them, I ended up sending a goatse
21:36:51 Apocalyptic: lol
21:37:11 pankkake: and did the order again, but with another payment method
21:38:08 ThickAsThieves: <blackwhite> no we announced it today /// you work for Square?
21:38:26 ThickAsThieves: if so, props to Square for having you in here
21:38:31 ThickAsThieves: whether incidental or not
21:38:53 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i originally asked him because i was going to give him a 1 if he can prove it, but seems he ignored it for some reason
21:39:11 ThickAsThieves: maybe he wasnt sposed to say so
21:39:16 blackwhite: hey yeah sorry
21:39:20 blackwhite: yes I work for Square
21:39:25 mircea_popescu: can you prove it ?
21:39:33 blackwhite: haha why should I prove it?
21:39:36 blackwhite: I don’t understand
21:39:44 ThickAsThieves: cuz we care
21:39:59 joecool: shoe on head
21:40:08 benkay: you've made a claim, blackwhite.
21:40:10 ThickAsThieves: if you care to say such things, what's wrong with proving it?
21:40:25 benkay: if you hadn't made a claim, that'd be a different story.
21:40:26 blackwhite: Just a curius question
21:40:27 mircea_popescu: yeah, "cuz we care" i guess.
21:40:38 benkay: but this zone is filled with scammers who won't substantiate their claims.
21:40:43 blackwhite: ahh ok
21:40:45 benkay: we're hostile to unsubstantiated claims.
21:40:50 joecool: blackwhite: a picture with shoe on head will suffice
21:40:51 blackwhite: i see
21:40:52 benkay: what is this we nonsense
21:41:00 benkay: I'm hostile to unsubstantiated claims.
21:41:04 pankkake: I didn't understand it that way
21:41:14 ThickAsThieves: we are a hive mind, in early stages
21:41:27 mircea_popescu: joecool lol whats with you and shoes
21:41:29 benkay: nope.jpg
21:42:08 benkay: just a motley collection of individuals, with individual tastes and preferences.
21:42:17 joecool: mircea_popescu: many of the girls you post in here lack shoes, i am trying to solve a shortage of shoes in pictures
21:42:35 mircea_popescu: ic
21:42:42 ozbot: The Lost Boys (4/10) Movie CLIP - One of Us (1987) HD - YouTube
21:42:47 mircea_popescu: benkay you know you're my sock, why fight it
21:42:53 benkay: you guys want to hear something stupid?
21:42:55 pankkake: but all shoes aren't equal
21:43:01 benkay: i'd rather be hacking on a bitcoin thing and not getting paid right now.
21:43:01 mircea_popescu: ahaha
21:43:03 benkay: instead
21:43:24 benkay: i'm staring at my email, billing by the quarter hour, waiting for someone to drop the ball hard enough for me to call off a deploy on my own.
21:43:33 pankkake: benkay: why not? unless you don't have enough to pay the bills
21:43:46 mircea_popescu: pankkake the girl won't approve.
21:43:47 benkay: relationships are important
21:43:49 pankkake: getting fired isn't hard either
21:43:55 benkay: not really a good idea to say 'fuck it' mid deploy conversation.
21:44:06 benkay: pankkake: it's also my shop.
21:44:09 pankkake: oh, right. not a thing I'd tell my parents either
21:44:18 benkay: oh ho ho up yours too
21:44:58 benkay: i don't know man. i think relationship with this client calls for a little subtlety
21:45:03 benkay: finesse
21:45:13 ThickAsThieves: deprogramming
21:45:20 ThickAsThieves: manipulation
21:45:23 ThickAsThieves: finesse
21:45:26 benkay: yeah they definitely need less programming that's for sure
21:45:31 benkay: fewer tickets
21:45:33 Mats_cd03: hi this is dog
21:45:33 benkay: better tickets
21:46:04 Mats_cd03: i can verify i am dog with shoe on head
21:46:12 ThickAsThieves: the RENT is too damn high!
21:46:15 Mats_cd03: more data to follow
21:47:13 kakobrekla: lol tat
21:48:09 mod6: haha
21:48:18 artifexd: mircea_popescu "Take a picture with a shoe on your head" is a thing redditors use to prove that you are who you say you are.
21:48:30 benkay: artifexd: started with 419ers
21:48:45 kakobrekla: until bakewell changed it to a sock
21:48:46 artifexd: That doesn't surprise me in the least.
21:49:15 blackwhite: and my twitter handle is @hello_world
21:49:16 Jason: joecool in rl
21:52:30 mircea_popescu: artifexd much older than reddit. yes.
21:53:02 artifexd: knowyourmeme says it started in 2006. Wow
21:53:06 mircea_popescu: blackwhite send me email from your comp account, for instance.
21:53:23 mircea_popescu: artifexd im pretty sure it's pre dotcom.
21:54:04 Jason: blackwhite: i hear you're the squareup man?
21:54:31 blackwhite: i just work there
21:54:48 Jason: blackwhite: ah
21:56:56 Jason: blackwhite: well, my account was banned in 2013 for being 'high risk'. when I contacted support, they simply didn't respond to me. luckily, all of this happened before I switched my entire business to Square (my account was several months old, though). had I of completely switched to Square before I was banned with no explanation, it would have probably ruined my business.
21:57:22 Jason: blackwhite: as I mentioned, support is ignoring me. do you have any suggestions?
21:57:30 Mats_cd03: lol.
21:57:39 ThickAsThieves: seems you figured it out Jason
21:57:43 ThickAsThieves: dont use Square
21:57:57 ThickAsThieves: btw this Square news, it's only for their online marketplace right?
21:58:01 ThickAsThieves: not the app
21:58:02 blackwhite: yeah
21:58:14 blackwhite: Sorry to hear that Jason
21:58:19 ThickAsThieves: why the half-measure?
21:58:24 Jason: i'd love to use Square. being an internet sales business, it'd benefit me greatly.
21:58:47 Jason: just, being banned with no explanation of what might have caused the ban and being unable to contact support? well... yeah.
21:58:56 Jason: that
21:58:58 blackwhite: Not sure why you can’t get through. Did you try twitter and phone?
21:59:04 Jason: er - that's a little concerning
21:59:12 Jason: blackwhite: as I remember it, in 2013 they didn't have phone support?
21:59:27 Jason: blackwhite: i did try twitter and my tweet (twat? whatever they call it) went ignored, too
22:00:20 blackwhite: I see.
22:00:24 Jason: blackwhite: of course I know i'm just picking on you, but hey - maybe you'd be able to give me some pointers.
22:01:16 blackwhite: yeah of course it
22:01:20 blackwhite: s totally fair you ask me
22:01:36 blackwhite: sorry I can’t be of bigger help.
22:02:03 Jason: i did and never got a response. i'll try again. maybe they changed stuff around
22:02:38 mircea_popescu: twat lol
22:02:56 Jason: blackwhite: can't initiate the email
22:03:08 Jason: blackwhite: Payment card processing permanently deactivated. Click to read Square's Seller Agreement
22:03:30 Jason: won't even let me email them. :p
22:07:50 mircea_popescu: Jason lol what did you exactly do ?
22:08:39 ThickAsThieves: probly SR vendor
22:08:42 Jason: mircea_popescu: not a clue
22:08:45 Jason: ThickAsThieves: nop
22:09:01 Jason: ThickAsThieves: did /nothing/ even questionable. tbh, i mainly used it for quick transfers between my bank accounts :P
22:09:26 ThickAsThieves: monbey laundering
22:09:30 ThickAsThieves: terrorist!
22:09:46 Jason: ThickAsThieves: that's what i'm trying to do. they won't tell me what i did for 'security reasons' :-p.
22:10:03 Jason: ThickAsThieves: oh. not trying to do /that/. it was transfers between my own bank accounts! ;)
22:10:08 ThickAsThieves: if we tell you, you will know how not to get caught next time
22:10:12 ThickAsThieves: terrorist.
22:10:51 Jason: you caught me.
22:10:52 Jason: :(
22:11:12 Jason: A++++++ support
22:11:22 ThickAsThieves: maybe now i can for for Homeland Security
22:11:22 Mats_cd03: hey now, we have enough us agencies watching this channel already
22:11:25 ThickAsThieves: i'm good at this
22:11:40 ThickAsThieves: work*
22:11:42 bounce: you'd like as not turn out overqualified
22:11:44 benkay: what, you're going to rep the DHS now ThickAsThieves ?
22:12:01 Jason: Mats_cd03: probably true
22:12:01 Jason: lol
22:12:07 ThickAsThieves: cant have terrorist like Jason using Square to launder money, now can we?
22:12:20 Jason: ThickAsThieves: guess i'll have to stick to bitcoin
22:12:21 Jason: argh
22:12:23 Jason: darn
22:12:37 bounce: there's too many agencies anyway. whatwasitagain, 1200-odd agencies with some sort of "terrism" link?
22:12:40 mircea_popescu: Jason url btw ?
22:12:44 Jason: mircea_popescu: for?
22:12:44 ThickAsThieves: round bitcoin, Square hole
22:12:47 Mats_cd03: irs, sec, fbi, dhs?
22:12:49 mircea_popescu: this shop of yours ?
22:12:58 Mats_cd03: maybe the cia uses -otc from time to time
22:13:46 bounce: why would they? they're running entire banks dedicated to laundring and everything else they instituted AML/KYC CYA BS elsewhere for.
22:14:01 Jason: mircea_popescu: doesn't work since i'm banned :-P
22:14:25 Mats_cd03: buying things from the paranoid, i imagine
22:14:44 mircea_popescu: Jason uh so you no longer have a shop now ?
22:14:46 Mats_cd03: 0days they cant ask the nsa for, perhaps
22:14:57 bounce: peddling tin foil hats? -- now that might be an interesting niche. tin foil hats for bitcoin.
22:15:03 Mats_cd03: (i'm pretty baked and wildly speculating here)
22:15:21 benkay: Mats_cd03: you druggie
22:15:22 bounce: they'd have their own contract with vupen and whoever else sells these
22:15:44 Mats_cd03: what are drugs
22:16:16 kakobrekla: wasnt this discussed like a day or two ago
22:16:22 kakobrekla: we should add it to wiki.
22:16:23 bounce: "stuff you buy at the drugstore"
22:17:09 kakobrekla: also sausage department for nubbins.
22:17:19 kakobrekla: anyway, carry on.
22:18:11 Jason: mircea_popescu: i do, but i can't take it online yet
22:18:52 Mats_cd03: so you came to bitcoin-assets for square support
22:18:53 mircea_popescu: ahahah forum rules.
22:19:00 mircea_popescu: person 1 : "I personally don't believe that Neo&Bee is a scam, but very well said. Just becuase there is an easier way to steal money that the scammers passed up doesn't mean it's not a scam."
22:19:07 mircea_popescu: person 2 : "Good to head you think Neo is legit."
22:20:35 Namworld: Forum server if it had an AI: "Please, help, oh why!? Stop feeding me this type of data!"
22:20:57 mircea_popescu: we're lucky there's no hard ai.
22:21:55 mircea_popescu: "Even if Neo ends up failing and Cyprus central bankers win this battle, they've managed to change the world forever. The Bitcoin awareness in Cyprus will not go away even if Neo fails and that counts for something. I know I was part of that as an investor and helped build that to some extent. On the other hand MPEx will go down in history as the clown who badmouthed the competition and riding some donkey in Egypt."
22:22:00 mircea_popescu: it must suck to suck.
22:22:17 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is neobee competition o.o
22:22:33 Namworld: No idea
22:22:33 bounce: didn't get big enough before failing
22:22:46 kakobrekla: not a donkey is it.
22:23:07 Namworld: I stopped questioning why people say certain things long ago.
22:23:17 mircea_popescu: Namworld im not that advanced yet.
22:23:55 Namworld: I probably spew nonsense regularly too anyway. I just let it be unless I feel like debating the topic.
22:23:55 mircea_popescu: interesting argument tho, re "the awareness that won't go away".
22:24:02 mircea_popescu: i wonder to what degree things actually work that way.
22:24:05 Jason: Mats_cd03: i came to -assets to share my story of being randomly banned with no explanation and being completely denied support. had my business of been in full swing with square, it would be a rather large problem.
22:24:29 mike_c: it has some validity. marketing is repetition repetition..
22:24:34 mircea_popescu: Jason extremely difficult claims to verify you see.
22:24:45 mike_c: obviously neo&bee was not supposed to simply be an ad campaign for bitcoin.
22:24:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah but what if the awareness they raised is "bitcoin is an undependable scamfest"
22:25:04 bounce: re donkeys: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne_0x3a__The_Digital_Donkey.aspx
22:25:13 mircea_popescu: i guess we'll actually be deriving some benefit from the ineptly handled neobee shareholder piggybank,
22:25:15 mike_c: i don't think they got that far in penetrating the consumer consciousness.
22:25:25 mircea_popescu: in that we'll see if in 2015 or 2020 cypruss is above or below the norm
22:25:30 mike_c: but they have now heard of bitcoin, and next time it will be the second time.
22:26:00 mircea_popescu: there's also many cultural factors at play. for instance, in a culture which is fundamentally defeatist and patently insane, like romania's,
22:26:07 mircea_popescu: having failed is actually much better than having succeeded.
22:26:26 mike_c: i am not defending his retarded veiwpoint though. "it's ok because neo&bee ran ads".
22:26:38 bounce: so, what're you doing, failing by succeeding?
22:26:58 mike_c: mircea_popescu: same as silicon valley :)
22:27:07 mircea_popescu: bounce i have no idea. the entire national pantheon is basically neobee like scammors. ie, various rebels promising independence from x or y or z
22:27:16 mircea_popescu: then failing miserably but having ballads made about how cool they were
22:27:24 mircea_popescu: it's really not at all different from forum mentality.
22:27:33 Mats_cd03: lol
22:28:13 Mats_cd03: a surprising number of national origin stories are basically that
22:28:17 mircea_popescu: i mean... guys like iancu jianu. ex road robber, caught, tried, sentenced to hang, saved by ancient rule that noble virginz may save a convicted felon by marrying him
22:28:24 bounce: well I s'pose that gave you a bit of a headstart "researching" the bitcoin zoo
22:28:25 mircea_popescu: became small time country landed gent.
22:28:28 Jason: mircea_popescu: hey - get me in touch with someone @ square and we'd figure it out! :)
22:28:31 Mats_cd03: except the scrub that barely made it is in fact the hero of old
22:28:35 Mats_cd03: (in the retelling)
22:29:03 bounce: what, there's still a vaguely functioning feudal system going on?
22:29:34 mircea_popescu: where ?
22:30:47 Mats_cd03: i guess you could say afghanistan and somalia were vaguely functioning feudal systems in the last few decade
22:31:03 Mats_cd03: ^decades
22:31:32 bounce: oh, that guy appears to've been dead for a good 150 years. oh well.
22:31:34 mircea_popescu: i suppose all of central asia is feudal
22:31:41 mircea_popescu: probably latin america slowly coming to modernism
22:31:48 mircea_popescu: bounce 1700s yeah
22:32:31 mircea_popescu: anyway. "cyprus central bankers" win this battle god help us.
22:32:38 mircea_popescu: that guy must be some sort of a plant.
22:33:59 mircea_popescu: pic relatively related.
22:43:56 only: any movie recommendations, folks?
22:44:05 antephialtic: genre?
22:45:02 only: drama?
22:45:21 pankkake: bitcoin: the movie
22:45:34 only: lol
22:45:41 Mats_cd03: inside man, stasiland, attack the block
22:45:48 Mats_cd03: the raid 2
22:46:45 kakobrekla: 'Dead man' is 1/3 drama.
22:47:51 kakobrekla: 'The limits of control' as well
22:52:14 only: kakobrekla: jarmusch fan? :)
22:52:31 kakobrekla: i wouldnt say a fan
22:53:52 only: thanks, 'the limits of control' it is
22:55:31 kakobrekla: imagine you went to a gallery when you watch it :)
22:59:26 tg2: ponzidoge round startign in 1m
22:59:29 tg2: watch the fireworks
22:59:33 tg2: address-wrapper
22:59:38 tg2: ponzidoge.com *
23:05:30 moiety: well hello sane people in here
23:14:12 TestingUnoDosTre: .d
23:14:12 ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 862 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.6559% in 5d 2h 33m 34s
23:17:44 TestingUnoDosTre: wow that mouse was good at acting
23:21:29 nubbins`: what's going on with log.b-a?
23:21:57 nubbins`: the order of the words is all fucked up
23:21:58 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what ?
23:22:13 mircea_popescu: ajhahaha
23:22:14 mike_c: log.b-a is doge now
23:22:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lampelina broke it!!11
23:22:32 kakobrekla: seems fine here
23:22:33 nubbins`: now click a timestamp
23:22:35 mircea_popescu: "mircea_popescu: made cool ballads failing but miserably how then about having they were"
23:22:35 kakobrekla: must be ur browsers
23:22:39 nubbins`: it rearranges 'em, still wrong
23:22:43 mircea_popescu: sounds like someone's googletranslate me
23:22:55 mircea_popescu: "mircea_popescu: but were ballads about made miserably they then having cool how failing"
23:23:28 antephialtic: yeah, is this some kind of silly april fools joke? the log makes it look like this is #bitcoin-yoda
23:23:34 nubbins`: 23:21:29nubbins`:on what's log.b-a? going with
23:23:57 mike_c: obfuscation to prevent spying
23:24:09 nubbins`: 00:08:39asciilifeform:thinking modern of pc bounce: was i
23:24:11 nubbins`: ahahahah.
23:24:21 moiety: bahahahahaha
23:24:27 mike_c: 1 2 3 4 5
23:24:32 moiety: dear oh fuck
23:24:55 nubbins`: mircea_popescu:fifty lines ? you babies up weren't starving
23:25:03 nubbins`: leel
23:25:16 moiety: almost got it there
23:25:46 mircea_popescu: lmao this all started with asciilifeform beerbucket
23:25:48 nubbins`: this is awesome
23:26:10 nubbins`: kakobrekla i much prefer it this way, don't fix it
23:26:25 mircea_popescu: these words of sorted randomly r they perhaps into sense coallesce through of sortage log method ?
23:26:34 moiety: i cant even go back to see that now mircea_popescu lol
23:26:46 mircea_popescu: maybe it's a method to fix my forum quotes.
23:26:56 mircea_popescu: i put stuff from the forum in here, read it destupidified in log
23:27:33 moiety: that forumite speak
23:36:17 KRS-One: HAWT!
23:36:28 mircea_popescu: (the teacher is the one without thge baby fat)
23:37:11 nubbins`: ^ yay
23:37:41 pankkake: yet stalking people is ok, as another mod told me
23:37:42 tg2: davout is getting jealous
23:37:50 pankkake: scammy as fuck
23:38:17 tg2: pankkake, learn2sock
23:38:29 pankkake: learn2berelevant
23:38:38 ozbot: TROLLING 101 | SockPuppet Theatre
23:41:09 KRS-One: She indeed is ready for some lessons.
23:43:11 mircea_popescu: pankkake odd.
23:43:22 pankkake: what's odd is how old the message is, too
23:43:33 pankkake: is there a list of moderators?
23:44:00 pankkake: I'd like to know who banned crumbs and kakobrekla too
23:44:11 mircea_popescu: not afaik.
23:44:17 mircea_popescu: just use the .lk thing and be done with it
23:44:20 pankkake: yeah, scammers prefer to be hidden
23:44:21 mircea_popescu: it'll autopost to the scampit.
23:44:47 pankkake: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bitcointalk/ gives me "not found"
23:45:52 mircea_popescu: there was some github
23:58:57 kakobrekla: i doubt anyone who should be reading is reading .lk
23:59:03 kakobrekla: so meh
23:59:48 mircea_popescu: it posts across tho