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00:00:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00032732 = 13.7802 BTC [-]

00:05:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29271 @ 0.00033841 = 9.9056 BTC [+]

00:38:16 williamdunne: Anyone got some good reading material to suggest? Novels preferred

00:41:50 asciilifeform: williamdunne: 'anathem' (neal stephenson)

00:42:18 thestringpuller: snow crash is my favorite stephenson novel.

00:42:30 thestringpuller: but alf was never a pizza delivery guy so he can't relate.

00:42:49 asciilifeform: i was never the creatures pictured in 'anathem' either, l0l

00:43:01 asciilifeform: (or was i...)

00:43:22 williamdunne: Yeah okay that sounds pretty cool

00:43:35 williamdunne: I'll give it a shot, thanks

00:44:20 asciilifeform: it isn't really like anything else, not even other stephensons

00:44:29 asciilifeform: some - love, some - hate.

01:00:24 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Another usefull asciilifeform suggested reading is 'Wasp' I think it was our book club book a bit before you arrived

01:00:45 williamdunne: Same guy?

01:01:09 williamdunne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_%28novel%29 ?

01:10:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90200 @ 0.00033283 = 30.0213 BTC [-] {2}

01:17:02 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Yeah, there's a link to a pdf of it somewhere in here

01:17:20 williamdunne: Can't stand reading off of screens, I'll order the paperback

01:18:45 BingoBoingo: Ah, just figured with the drama and lulz recently people would be moving any spare fiat into Bitcoin. Drama is the closest thing Bitcoin has to a price signal.

01:24:35 cazalla: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/05/30/presidential-proclamation-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-pride-mon gee americans are fags

01:26:29 cazalla: bah misread for 2015 for some reason but anyway

01:29:11 decimation: cazalla: I think the truth is that fags run the tv/newspapers in the us

01:29:15 decimation: so politicians pander

01:29:22 decimation: plus they give big donations

01:32:33 BingoBoingo: So neighborhood cat started its slaughter early tonight

01:34:50 cazalla: give it a bowl of anti freeze

01:35:39 BingoBoingo: As long as it keeps killing critters less desirable than itself it is fine

01:35:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15233 @ 0.00033298 = 5.0723 BTC [+]

01:39:30 cazalla: BingoBoingo, you might enjoy this thread http://8ch.net/b/res/2913764.html

01:40:30 *: asciilifeform would like cats even - especially - if they killed people

01:40:36 BingoBoingo: nice

01:41:44 BingoBoingo: Cats killing people would be a plus.

01:45:50 williamdunne: I didn't know they could make people out of plasticine nao

01:45:51 williamdunne: http://8ch.net/b/src/1433035560913-2.jpg

01:47:28 cazalla: if i had to choose, i think i'd opt for the african african than american african

01:50:24 decimation: asciilifeform: plenty of big cats can kill people

01:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45265 @ 0.00032767 = 14.832 BTC [-] {2}

01:53:28 asciilifeform: decimation: well yes

01:56:27 decimation: felis domesticus is overpopulated anyway. haven't you see bob barker?

01:59:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25185 @ 0.00032353 = 8.1481 BTC [-]

02:01:19 decimation: asciilifeform: the rate of blockchain sync seems to go down when you get to block 220000 or so

02:01:25 decimation: with the thermonuke patch applied

02:01:34 asciilifeform: decimation: all thermonuke nodes will experience 'doldrums'

02:01:39 asciilifeform: just as, i might add, ordinary ones

02:01:48 decimation: it seems to trip on big piles of 'bastard blocks'

02:01:55 asciilifeform: trip as in terminates ?

02:02:14 asciilifeform: or fails to move for a day straight ?

02:03:11 decimation: no it moves, but at a slower rate, maybe one block per 10-60 seconds

02:03:27 asciilifeform: decimation: for how long did you observe this ?

02:04:22 asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)

02:04:52 decimation: I'm still observing it

02:05:08 asciilifeform: yes, but how long has this particular node been stuck?

02:05:22 asciilifeform: and has it reconnected to new peers? or pulling from one ?

02:08:19 decimation: does the debug.log contain that kind of information?

02:08:53 asciilifeform: aha

02:09:00 asciilifeform: ought to be watching it, if running a node

02:09:43 decimation: I don't see it. do I need to run with -debug?

02:09:46 asciilifeform: no

02:09:56 asciilifeform: tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log

02:10:36 decimation: are those ip addresses in hex?

02:11:46 decimation: I'm getting plenty of messages like: "ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2b75371e92 mapTransactions prev not found e5e2cf8270"

02:12:03 asciilifeform: these are sop

02:12:09 asciilifeform: and no, not ip

02:12:12 decimation: I don't have a firewall port open, so everything has to be outgoing

02:12:19 asciilifeform: familiarize yourself with an ordinary 0.5.3's output.

02:13:08 mod6: speaking of sync'ing tests: my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 256863

02:16:05 decimation: the debug.log output isn't exactly very self-explanitory

02:16:14 decimation: I'm going to have to spelunk the codebase more

02:17:41 mod6: it doesn't hurt to run it in gdb either, putting break points at strategic places -- then you can watch it go through the entire process

02:17:43 decimation: I jiggled the handle on the node's network connection and it seems to have forced the ratio of bastards/accepted lower

02:18:55 decimation: in fact now I see no bastards. let me look and see if I can point fingers at a particular node

02:19:27 asciilifeform: decimation: in my experience, all such conditions have been transient.

02:19:32 asciilifeform: though sometimes lasting up to an hour.

02:31:04 ben_vulpes: have we done 20 meg bastard block accumulation yet?

02:31:08 ben_vulpes: ;;calc 20 * 700

02:31:09 gribble: 14000

02:35:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00032244 = 14.6871 BTC [-] {2}

02:40:59 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << notice anything ?

02:42:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:49:43 BingoBoingo: That is just beautiful

02:49:48 decimation: heh the pnSeed array is lulzy

02:55:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98550 @ 0.00033298 = 32.8152 BTC [+]

03:01:54 decimation: it's amusing that satoshi re-implemented MFC classes in his little util.* stuff. he was definitely a winblows VC++ guy

03:02:04 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the next screamingly obvious step is to catalogue 'liar keys' - the most interesting species of which consists of keys where the claimed fingerprint stored with a modulus differs from the recomputed (by us) fingerprint. as per http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-12.2

03:03:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:03:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu this is yet another attribute of the animal we are hunting (the yet-undiscovered diddled pgp client.) almost certainly it shows the claimed fp rather than the actual.

03:03:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:04:16 decimation: asciilifeform: why do the sks keyservers take the position that all crypto checks are 'up to the user'? would you expect your router to check ip/tcp headers?

03:04:34 asciilifeform: decimation: sks as presently running -does- check

03:04:45 asciilifeform: it just doesn't do anything in particular with the info, other than displaying it

03:04:49 decimation: heh

03:05:20 decimation: imma clearly label the particles of shit in yer wine

03:06:17 decimation: !s MFC

03:06:20 assbot: 22 results for 'MFC' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=MFC

03:19:47 BingoBoingo: !up referredbyme

03:20:06 cazalla: lol

03:20:12 cazalla: it's all my free cams and me

03:26:10 BingoBoingo: lol

03:28:06 decimation: !up referredbyurmom

04:53:12 decimation: asciilifeform: what confuses me is that the processblock messages absolutely come from a particular node

04:53:42 decimation: but looking at my iptraf monitor, there are several nodes connected at once, and traffic seems to originate from a particular node in a somewhat random way

04:54:14 decimation: so I don't understand how you could identify a particular 'bastard block' message as coming from a particular node without added debug statements

05:05:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8782 @ 0.00033296 = 2.9241 BTC [-]

05:05:50 decimation: I added said debug and am gonna watch it overnight

06:32:14 BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/a/nJJCU/noscript

06:53:08 BingoBoingo: Diabeetus https://i.imgur.com/0QljRfa.jpg

07:16:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93600 @ 0.00032681 = 30.5894 BTC [-]

07:24:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.0003191 = 19.7523 BTC [-]

08:08:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 260100 @ 0.00031512 = 81.9627 BTC [-] {7}

08:42:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00032246 = 4.4016 BTC [+]

09:06:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14660 @ 0.00032246 = 4.7273 BTC [+]

09:21:09 BingoBoingo: !up gmaxwell

09:45:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.00031218 = 25.7549 BTC [-] {2}

09:53:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111828 @ 0.00031011 = 34.679 BTC [-] {5}

09:54:35 cazalla: winter tmw :\

10:27:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00030791 = 12.8706 BTC [-]

10:44:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yep.

10:55:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230300 @ 0.00031052 = 71.5128 BTC [+] {4}

11:31:45 cazalla: http://rt.com/usa/263473-nyc-subway-manspreading-arrests/

11:36:12 mircea_popescu: heh.

11:36:25 mircea_popescu: the article misrepresents what's going on. this is quite likely "broken windows" ideology.

11:36:32 mircea_popescu: apparently ny has a major problem with gangs.

11:37:48 cazalla: "According to reports, the NYPD has allegedly issued more than 1,400 summons for manspreading this year"

11:38:03 cazalla: that's some gang

11:46:06 chetty: jeeze next they will arrest folks for taking up too much space cause they are fat ..hmm maybe not such a bad idea :P

11:50:54 mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's just, as the gulf between society and government widens, the ability of society to maintain social order decays. people start taking it upon themselves to provide for their own security, the most vulnerable groups (foreign language speaking, poor immigrants) overstot, which induces negative reactions in the public,

11:51:11 mircea_popescu: which makes the police become more aggressive which increases the perceived need of the plebs to act tough,

11:51:18 mircea_popescu: which spirals into doom.

11:51:44 mircea_popescu: by now everyone's a gang of one.

11:52:16 cazalla: and the poor bastards just needed a bit of room for their balls

11:52:19 mircea_popescu: which is a sad state of affairs given the history of new york

11:52:48 mircea_popescu: that city exists primarily because of its renowedly incredible ability to diffuse social tension.

11:52:59 cazalla: article mentions the homicide rate is up so that fits

11:53:57 chetty: apparently its up all over the US, more evidence of social breakdown

11:54:19 mircea_popescu: ability probably typified by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc9-rYBOS5w

11:55:19 mircea_popescu: but nobody's going aaaaaaaa! anymore.

11:57:38 mircea_popescu: in other news at 10mn hits / 7mn pages may 2015 stands as fraudsters's largest month. tananana.

12:01:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148758 << da fuck is that omg.

12:01:15 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 21:24:11; BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ud7KxL0u--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/q07zwqccwnzkinanp8bg.jpg

12:02:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148782 << there is a possibility that your daughters may have foond their way by themselves, especially if they be tall dwarvettes.

12:02:45 assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 23:09:48; funkenstein_: if you was a dwarf i would send thanks by sending my daughters over

12:03:14 mircea_popescu: so take heart of ironwood my friendly lumberjack.

12:06:21 mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=joshua+dratel&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:w << and i see it as the 2nd result, too.

12:08:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148790 << asylum, lol

12:08:00 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 00:38:16; williamdunne: Anyone got some good reading material to suggest? Novels preferred

12:08:39 cazalla: page 4 on down under google and with that, zzz

12:09:09 mircea_popescu: nn

12:11:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << i would like to see a patch which maintains VALUED list of other nodes.

12:11:09 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 02:04:22; asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)

12:11:31 mircea_popescu: with a time decay, with a penalty for sending bad blocks and a positive for sending good blocks at a good speed.

12:12:56 mircea_popescu: say something like : every bad block received, -10 points. every minute where connection is kept at 80% of its allocated bw or over, 1 point. every hour score decays 1% towards 0, be it either positive or negative.

12:14:19 mircea_popescu: then it could allocate 1/n of its available bandwidth to each available peer, and disconnect peer under a threshold

12:15:29 mircea_popescu: ideally bw_threshold, dc_threshold, bad_block_penalty, per_minute_salary could all be settable via config file.

12:17:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/dupes << useful.

12:18:33 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone had before a way to "check all the keys i've signed" on one page.

12:19:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60890 @ 0.00031795 = 19.36 BTC [+] {2}

12:20:11 mircea_popescu: can it somehow be structured to serve that purpose ? as a dump it's ok for now because it's short, but by the time the entire db is processed it will be a gb or some shit. maybe make it a list of entries of the format "name fragment", "first 32 characters in base 64'd modulus"

12:20:32 mircea_popescu: where name fragment is a 32 character match across the users textfield

12:22:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148870 << imagine that a windows user managed to pull a disappearing act.

12:22:11 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 03:01:54; decimation: it's amusing that satoshi re-implemented MFC classes in his little util.* stuff. he was definitely a winblows VC++ guy

12:22:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148873 << for the record, i suspect these may well be two different items.

12:22:40 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 03:03:55; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu this is yet another attribute of the animal we are hunting (the yet-undiscovered diddled pgp client.) almost certainly it shows the claimed fp rather than the actual.

12:23:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148879 << this is a complicated problem, in part because the spec isn't terribru good.

12:23:34 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 03:05:20; decimation: imma clearly label the particles of shit in yer wine

12:31:16 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

12:31:19 gribble: Current Blocks: 358801 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 46 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47427773469.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.82685

13:21:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79653 @ 0.00032505 = 25.8912 BTC [+] {2}

13:26:33 mircea_popescu: and the harmonic series has, of course, no closed form solution

13:26:41 mircea_popescu: bloody fucking useless math of this world i swear.

13:28:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85925 @ 0.00032359 = 27.8045 BTC [-]

13:35:02 fluffypony: oh mircea_popescu you're famouze

13:35:08 mircea_popescu: i am ?

13:35:09 fluffypony: and apparently Gavin can't spell your name

13:35:10 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37xxmj/gavin_is_being_too_divisive_core_devs_need_to/crqsf4l?context=3

13:36:10 fluffypony: "Mirceau Popescue"

13:36:10 mircea_popescu: lmao

13:36:10 mircea_popescu: what's with all the extra vowels people seem to need ? am i too swedish or something ?

13:36:10 fluffypony: Haagen-Popescue

13:36:10 mircea_popescu: hwrothwar hwrothwarsson ?

13:36:25 fluffypony: lol

14:11:28 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Any pro tips for while I'm in Bucharest?

14:12:33 mircea_popescu: don't use the scummy people trying to trick tourists into using their "cabs" at the airport ; insist the masseuse actually sucks you off ; avoid street food

14:13:21 williamdunne: Actually on that note, and particularly good places to eat?

14:14:44 mircea_popescu: i could never stand bucharest. i think i spent a total of a week there in my entire life. shittiest town in romania. so i really dunno.

14:15:13 williamdunne: Ah, fair nuff

14:15:25 mircea_popescu: you there on business or what ?

14:15:31 williamdunne: mYeah

14:15:51 mircea_popescu: then do what i always did, have locals pick

14:16:24 mircea_popescu: it's not that decent and even excellent places don't exist - they certainly do. but romanians are unreliable and southerners are unreliable ^ 2, and so they keep changing.

14:17:41 williamdunne: Kinda looking forward to it, only gonna be there for a few days though.

14:18:59 mircea_popescu: the old town is not so bad.

14:19:04 mircea_popescu: unfortunately, inhabited.

14:21:07 williamdunne: Just did a google, yeah looks like there's some kinda cool architecture there

14:22:22 fluffypony: [16:19:03] <+mircea_popescu> unfortunately, inhabited. <- it's like what I say about America: beautiful country, the biggest problem with it are the Americans

14:23:07 williamdunne: A country of that size can't exactly *not* have beautiful parts

14:23:08 mircea_popescu: plebs infesting the world are the biggest problem everywhere pretty much, except china

14:23:16 mircea_popescu: and even in china / se asia it's becoming an issue

14:23:22 williamdunne: "Damn Scotts, they ruin Scottland"

14:23:24 mircea_popescu: williamdunne sure, go to brasov :)

14:23:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony how about south africa ?

14:23:58 fluffypony: so much space that you don't have to run into anyone :-P

14:24:40 mircea_popescu: lol right.

14:24:47 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'll see if I can. If I can convince someone to bugger off with me for the day I will, but only there for a few days :/

14:25:47 *: williamdunne sees horde of 70,000 tourists preparing to descend upon fluffypony

14:25:52 fluffypony: lol

14:26:11 mircea_popescu: williamdunne only about 100 miles or so, shouldb't be more than a coupla hours.

14:26:15 mircea_popescu: and you get to cross the mointains

14:26:38 williamdunne: Guessing there's a train or summin?

14:27:07 mircea_popescu: sure.

14:29:33 williamdunne: If I do get there, anything in particular I should be doing?

14:31:55 mircea_popescu: in brasov ?

14:32:12 mircea_popescu: well check out piata sfatului, maybe go on the skylift thing

14:33:33 mircea_popescu: sinaia (the old royal winter residence) is also nearby

14:34:29 williamdunne: Sounds good to me, see if I can get that done the day before Prague

14:51:11 williamdunne: More ponzi fail:

14:51:11 williamdunne: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37ye6d/major_scammer_alert_cloudtd/

15:36:16 williamdunne: Guessing bitbet.us is against the blocksize increase

15:46:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148942 << not an accurate picture of what it is. what we have is a list of keys that share one or more public modulus. nothing to do with signatures

15:46:42 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 12:18:33; mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone had before a way to "check all the keys i've signed" on one page.

15:47:12 mircea_popescu: uh

15:47:33 mircea_popescu: so how come jurov and old mpex keys are in there ?

15:47:38 mircea_popescu: i assumed it was because he had signed them ?

15:48:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: old mpex is an easy one - not all of the moduli changed

15:48:22 asciilifeform: (recall, there is no 'changing' on sks, only repeat upload)

15:48:31 asciilifeform: as for jurov's - i have no idea

15:49:59 mircea_popescu: this is fairly odd

15:50:40 mircea_popescu: !up btcdrak

15:51:37 asciilifeform: i thought of adding a download link on individual key pages, but then folks will be tempted to use phuctor as a key server

15:51:43 asciilifeform: which is a microscope-hammer

15:52:19 mircea_popescu: myeah

15:55:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0003275 = 1.965 BTC [+]

15:56:27 *: asciilifeform presently contemplating the fact that sks appears to contain virtually no gurlz

15:57:31 mircea_popescu: seks!

15:57:47 asciilifeform: numerically, use of pgp is 'manlier' than drilling for oil...

16:00:10 thestringpuller: wake up this morning and all I see in my BTC feed is derps talkinga bout hard-fork?!?

16:01:46 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what if instead you found them speaking of sex with pigs? would it then also be a matter of interest ?

16:04:36 asciilifeform: http://rt.com/news/220375-mexican-gangs-initiation-cannibalism << l0l!!! aztlan!

16:05:36 thestringpuller: Then I would think I was legit in the twilight zone if i saw headlines like "Prime Minister of UK to have intercourse with female pig."

16:05:46 thestringpuller: which was an episode of Black Mirror: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Anthem_%28Black_Mirror%29

16:06:08 asciilifeform: male pig is sop in britain ?

16:06:27 jurov: i have no idea why my keys are listed there, too. i have extended the expiration date of D0AEE7D7 few times, then removed expiration completely.

16:06:42 asciilifeform: jurov: recall that nothing is ever removed from sks.

16:08:04 asciilifeform: http://rt.com/news/262825-isis-sniper-rifle-photos << musket ?

16:09:04 jurov: but periodical prolonging is normal course of events, even recommended to newbs, there should be many more such keys

16:12:39 jurov: now, how one checks that: "Please make sure these are yours" ?

16:12:46 asciilifeform: jurov: i think what mircea_popescu was asking was - how a mircea_popescu modulus ended up in a jurov key

16:15:34 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37y8wm/list_of_bitcoin_services_that_supportoppose/ << civil war list. derps vs. the non-derps?

16:21:06 jurov: i'm slow on uptake today.. exactly which keys share the moduli? and how can EDDF63E share more than 2 moduli with other keys?

16:24:53 jurov: can anyone pls explain what is shown on http://nosuchlabs.com/dupes ?

16:35:19 williamdunne: thestringpuller: Funnily enough, half of the derps in the derp list are d.somethings

16:37:42 joecool: jurov: i think it's keys with multiple uid's?

16:38:04 jurov: joecool: what do you mean_

16:38:32 joecool: well i don't see any in there so far without a second uid on the keyserver

16:39:58 joecool: oh nevermind i see what it is

16:40:09 jurov: for example what exactly is 8C70D661E98EDAEABBA1064A5CC7C91AF270720114DAF220E1CB12334EDDF63E ????

16:41:13 jurov: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8C70D661E98EDAEABBA1064A5CC7C91AF270720114DAF220E1CB12334EDDF63E lists me, mircea and bunch of unrelated people

16:42:13 asciilifeform: joecool: keys with multiple uid's? << no

16:42:13 joecool: asciilifeform: yeah i realized not now, i should have looked closer before answering

16:42:34 asciilifeform: jurov: lists me, mircea and bunch of unrelated people << unfortunately i have not the faintest clue who created this key and why.

16:42:43 asciilifeform: as far as i can see, it is harmless

16:42:49 asciilifeform: but why does it exist? i do not know.

16:43:31 jurov: how is it possible to create such key so that it has my factor in?

16:44:11 asciilifeform: jurov: nothing was factored

16:44:29 asciilifeform: jurov: but i can take any set of moduli and shoehorn them into a valid key, sure

16:45:32 asciilifeform: the basic unit of pgptronics is the public modulus / exponent set, rather than 'key' - which is a fairly arbitrary collection thereof

16:47:07 asciilifeform: jurov: now, how one checks that: "Please make sure these are yours" ? << i suppose this is when i explain -why- i wrote the 'dupes' feature to begin with.

16:48:57 asciilifeform: the idea of phuctor is to detect duplicate privatekey material in use anywhere. the reuse of one particular divisor is only one possible scenario - it is also possible that a very ham-handedly sabotaged pgptron somewhere reuses a whole pair of factors - that is, two or more strangers may, somewhere, share an entire private key.

16:49:44 asciilifeform: because said key was hardcoded in, or some schmuck had his seldom-used privkey substituted under his nose, or whatnot.

16:49:59 asciilifeform: hence 'make sure these are yours'

16:50:12 asciilifeform: if someone can suggest a better phrasing for this, please write in.

16:54:29 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu paused pump, resumed werker. we have around 1/4 of the total rsa keys available submitted (or processed) at this point.

16:54:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:56:06 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/wences/status/595768917907402752 << mega-l0l! wasn't this fella a chum of yours at one point? give him a thrashing ?

16:56:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:59:58 jurov: asciilifeform: no i meant how do i check someone used my whole moduli vs. someone actually has one or both factors?

17:09:00 asciilifeform: jurov: if someone has one factor, you would end up in http://nosuchlabs.com/phuctored

17:10:00 asciilifeform: jurov: if someone is using both, you will end up in http://nosuchlabs.com/dupes - even though most dupes are harmless

17:13:28 jurov: ok, thanks for explanation. i have not realized the difference between moduli and factors

17:14:23 asciilifeform: beyond this, it helps to review how rsa works.

17:17:50 jurov: yes, but gpg keys are not pure rsa

17:18:30 asciilifeform: jurov: phuctor deals -only- with rsa moduli.

17:18:45 asciilifeform: (key containing no rsa moduli will not be stored or processed)

17:20:40 jurov: i mean there can be multiple rsa keys in one gpg key, no?

17:23:51 jurov: like EDDF63E ... and looks like it was submitted to phuctor directly, i can't find it on sks keyserver

17:25:12 jurov: is the original submission for EDDF63E available somewhere?

17:30:37 asciilifeform: jurov: i suppose i will have to implement 'download key' button after all...

17:31:07 asciilifeform: jurov: if you give me a permalink, i will pull it out of the db for you

17:31:51 jurov: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8C70D661E98EDAEABBA1064A5CC7C91AF270720114DAF220E1CB12334EDDF63E << you mean this?

17:34:20 asciilifeform: jurov: http://dpaste.com/1MV98N9.txt << here you go

17:35:20 jurov: tyvm

17:37:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72443 @ 0.00032383 = 23.4592 BTC [-] {2}

17:50:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.0003286 = 29.9683 BTC [+] {2}

18:16:50 ben_vulpes: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html << merit washing plus "social science" leads to lulz in short order

18:22:37 asciilifeform: 'It?s the sort of brazen data fraud you just don?t see that often, especially in a journal like Science.' << this particular item from the gobbelsism toolbox needs a name

18:22:45 asciilifeform: *goebbels

18:23:15 asciilifeform: sorta like the very occasional corrupt dogcatcher they shoot in china

18:24:34 asciilifeform: 'see, the crown cares! the rare irregularities are dealt with! watch this impalement and move along now'

18:27:54 asciilifeform: 'This was a graduate student who successfully ran the gauntlet of the Princeton interview process with a publicly posted CV that contained wild falsehoods about his grant receipts ... ' << this is sorta like counterfeiting usd. when the counterfeiter-in-chief cranks up the press and doubles the toiletpaper in circulation, that is blessed by the crown. when some schmuck ? headzoff

18:29:05 asciilifeform: '?My puzzlement now is, if he fabricated the data, surely he must have known that when people tried to replicate his study, they would fail to do so and the truth would come out,?' << l0l re: the obvious 'fnord' here

18:29:36 asciilifeform: as if any of these gasbags ever seriously replicate anything

18:30:21 mod6: Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 280995

18:30:51 asciilifeform: mod6: neato

18:32:06 mod6: meanwhile, I'm nearly there with this gentoo install on this pos box. i did something funky i think, at the end of lastnight grub was screwed up. need to figure that out.

18:34:51 asciilifeform: 'the fraud could have been uncovered sooner, potentially forestalling a great deal of the disruption it inflicted on various careers and on social science as a whole.' << mega-l0l! as if any of the 'careers' built upon this or similar crocks of shit - other than the exemplary scapegoat's - will skip so much as one beat

18:39:35 mod6: ah, up to 20 moduli broken now 'eh

18:40:18 mod6: ah, and my key was re-tested

18:40:35 mod6: ok, i see you fired up the werker, stopped the pump

18:47:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, whatever, random derp trying to sell books or whatever by "being controversial"

18:47:38 mircea_popescu: not worth the time

18:53:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149054 << the particular example in question just looks like an older mpex key somehow related to the various people who signed it.

18:53:53 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 16:48:57; asciilifeform: the idea of phuctor is to detect duplicate privatekey material in use anywhere. the reuse of one particular divisor is only one possible scenario - it is also possible that a very ham-handedly sabotaged pgptron somewhere reuses a whole pair of factors - that is, two or more strangers may, somewhere, share an entire private key.

18:58:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149080 << special interest politics, from gay to womens to minorities to what have you is fraud, run on ambition, high hopes and bad numbers. i am so shocked i think ima become a vegetarian nao.

18:58:46 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 18:16:50; ben_vulpes: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html << merit washing plus "social science" leads to lulz in short order

19:19:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: again, signing a key - on ordinary gpg - does not throw your whole modulus in it

19:19:19 asciilifeform: not on any pgptron i've ever used

19:19:39 asciilifeform: but this might be configurable.

19:27:20 decimation: asciilifeform: as an example, I have 131 'BASTARDS' between two accepts

19:27:39 decimation: from multiple nodes

19:31:31 mircea_popescu: yeah its weird

19:32:35 decimation: http://dpaste.com/327TNG4 < dpaste of the debug.log between two 'ACCEPT' blocks

19:33:52 decimation: I added the ip of the node that was passed when ProccesBlock was called

19:44:53 asciilifeform: decimation: this is normal in my experience

19:45:28 asciilifeform: (incidentally, a while ago i posted a patch that kills log rollover. might be of interest to some of you)

19:45:48 asciilifeform: ^ makes it possible to preserve debug output from zero to synced in its entirety

19:47:00 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> yeah its weird << nothing weird about it. the sync mechanism is braindamaged more or less as far as it is even possible to be braindamaged.

19:47:33 asciilifeform: and has no abort on the sending end

19:47:53 asciilifeform: so when peer starts crapping out bastards, it won't stop until finished or disconnected

19:48:08 asciilifeform: read the source (TM)

19:49:44 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << there is already tracking of misbehaving nodes, can't that be plugged in?

19:49:44 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 02:04:22; asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)

19:50:13 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I'm trying to crawl my way through it. are these nodes actually hostile or do they just not have the full blockchain?

19:55:44 decimation: jurov: there is definitely tracking of when a node was 'last heard'. what misbehvior are you talking about?

19:57:32 jurov: decimation: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?v=0.10.0&_string=misbehaving&!v=0.5.3.1

19:58:32 jurov: "misbehaving peers"

20:01:25 decimation: jurov: yeah it does seem that there is some tracking of orphan spamming nodes

20:01:46 decimation: but I'm not sure if those checks actually are effective in the bastards case, gonna need to read more code

20:11:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86254 @ 0.00031667 = 27.3141 BTC [-] {2}

20:40:18 decimation: lol http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_cw1nNUYOXSAKwrq < apparently now there's a 'facebook' for economists to 'like' ideas or not

20:41:18 decimation: Question A:

20:41:18 decimation: If the US replaced its discretionary monetary policy regime with a gold standard, defining a "dollar" as a specific number of ounces of gold, the price-stability and employment outcomes would be better for the average American.

20:41:18 decimation: William Nordhaus of Yale: '10 strong disagree' This proposal makes no sense in the modern world. Just look at the Eurozone to see the consequences.

20:41:46 decimation: Anil Kashyap of U. Chicago '10 strong disagree' A gold standard regime would be a disaster for any large advanced economy. Love of the G.S. implies macroeconomic illiteracy.

20:42:43 decimation: if you want to see academic 'tardation in its glory, this is the place to go

20:48:57 williamdunne: Deflation is bad because why buy a sandwich today when you can buy two in 30 years

21:07:51 decimation: heh

21:13:47 *: Adlai plays devil's advocate; or rather, s/evil/avout/

21:13:55 Adlai: if we're gonna have live trades, why not add paymium?

21:17:57 jurov: heh. +1

21:23:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.

21:23:54 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 19:49:44; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << there is already tracking of misbehaving nodes, can't that be plugged in?

21:24:26 asciilifeform: err, bastards

21:26:28 asciilifeform: i have come to the conclusion that the -only possible- non-retarded solution to bastard blocks -when we can only adjust our end- is to throw them into the sun.

21:26:34 asciilifeform: ditto for orphan tx

21:26:54 asciilifeform: let's rewrite it as a maxim:

21:27:01 asciilifeform: if it cannot be immediately validated, DON'T STORE IT!

21:27:03 asciilifeform: not hard.

21:27:05 asciilifeform: srsly

21:27:33 asciilifeform: i don't even apprehend why this 'jam tomorrow' nonsense was even in there in the first place.

21:27:34 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/threnody/

21:28:34 jurov: premature optimization, i guess

21:29:13 Adlai: premature hyberbitcoinization is the root of all bubbles

21:31:54 asciilifeform: it was 'optimization' strictly in the sense that shitting into your pants is optimization over looking for toilet

21:32:47 Adlai: it's ok, you start looking for a toilet after 750 nuggets

21:32:54 Adlai: it's a compromise

21:32:58 asciilifeform: !b 3

21:32:58 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3WRZ0E9.txt )

21:36:42 danielpbarron: !up on247

22:11:06 williamdunne: jurov: Have you seen online.net? Its kinda like the server hosting thing you were looking at

22:11:42 williamdunne: http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-scg2

22:28:39 jurov: williamdunne: yes i knew about it. but, what do you think "victim of its own success" mean? :DDD

22:31:15 midnightmagic: A 100% freshly-installed, default-settings online.net server in France was owned virtually immediately. Online.net support didn't answer the reinstall ticket for a month. If online.net has been successful, then success probably caused them to start sucking.

22:32:51 midnightmagic: There also doesn't seem to be any ways to use keys without passwords, or set up new servers without email.

22:35:23 williamdunne: jurov: Out of stock, too many people bought that cheap 6 euro dedicated server

22:35:42 williamdunne: midnightmagic: To use keys?

22:36:03 jurov: I personally got only an offer to share a rack with 4x100MBit(can be upgraded to giga) and 4xIPv4 for 500 euro/mo

22:36:25 williamdunne: Yeah its definitely not a perfect in every way, but looks pretty good

22:36:36 williamdunne: jurov: Wow, I can get you better than that. Thats pretty pathetic

22:36:44 midnightmagic: williamdunne: We are forced to use a TLS channel to order product from them. We should be able to spin up a fresh server using that interface solely, and ssh keys entered via it.

22:37:08 williamdunne: What sort of density can you achieve?

22:37:31 williamdunne: i.e using the cheap blades how many servers can you fit per maybe 48us?

22:41:43 williamdunne: midnightmagic: SSH would be preferable, but how important is it really?

22:42:08 midnightmagic: Important enough when the alternative is an emailed rootpass. :(

22:46:32 williamdunne: Can't you just change it as soon as you connect

22:47:57 jurov: williamdunne: pwned immediately, see above

22:53:20 midnightmagic: williamdunne: If you're quick enough, I suppose. Also, this is presuming the host itself isn't in some fashion pwned, since who knows how it was actually compromised considering the physical drives are unavailable for examination.

22:54:37 danielpbarron: !up shesek

22:55:10 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/shesek/status/605005384026177537

22:55:26 danielpbarron: >> At this time, I oppose increasing the block size limit as per Gavin's proposal.

23:02:10 ben_vulpes: hola shesek

23:03:24 danielpbarron: !up Lk4_DPB

23:05:01 Lk4_DPB: danielpbarron: obliged

23:05:48 danielpbarron: sure; who are you?

23:06:56 ben_vulpes: !up Lk4_DPB

23:07:23 Adlai: !s dpb from:ascii*

23:07:24 assbot: 0 results for 'dpb from:ascii*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dpb+from%3Aascii%2A

23:07:28 ben_vulpes: what brings you by, Lk4_DPB ?

23:07:32 Adlai: http://l1sp.org/cl/dpb

23:08:32 BingoBoingo: Oh lololololol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1075590

23:09:32 Lk4_DPB: i was at some event in milano and they talked about assets as a the place that knoews best about bitcoin adn that discovered a probem with rsa keys

23:09:32 Adlai: the keys are fine, the servers are fucked

23:09:36 Lk4_DPB: the servers accept any key is the problem?

23:09:56 ben_vulpes: Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1124561

23:09:56 assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 01:17:36; ben_vulpes: look danielpbarron there's a function in common lisp named for you!

23:10:06 Adlai: ben_vulpes: "aha"

23:10:12 Adlai: s/"/'/g

23:10:32 Adlai: Lk4_DPB: doubtful, it's more likely the dud keys were placed there intentionally

23:10:52 Lk4_DPB: by dud or someone else?

23:11:41 Adlai: "by dud"?

23:12:06 Lk4_DPB: by the owner or someone else?

23:13:07 Adlai: why would key owners distribute bad versions of their own keys?

23:13:37 Adlai: although i guess it could be an experiment, and the experimenters wanted to only diddle their own keys, to minimize collateral damage

23:14:09 Lk4_DPB: i would not know, perhaps it was not a smart question

23:24:42 Adlai: there are no stupid questions, only stupid people

23:30:59 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

23:31:04 gribble: Current Blocks: 358878 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1985 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 56719622139.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.18493

23:31:52 mircea_popescu: somebody should write a better estimator sometime.

23:32:24 midnightmagic: nanotube accepts patches pretty solicitously :)

23:32:35 mircea_popescu: yeah.

23:32:44 mircea_popescu: it's a complicated problem tho.

23:33:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149112 << i was talking about the mixed moduli situation yo.

23:33:06 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 19:47:00; asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> yeah its weird << nothing weird about it. the sync mechanism is braindamaged more or less as far as it is even possible to be braindamaged.

23:33:45 mircea_popescu: as to the bastard situation, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148935

23:33:45 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 12:11:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << i would like to see a patch which maintains VALUED list of other nodes.

23:35:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149130 << notwithstanding that the dudes in question are probably illiterate, gold standard does in fact not work for a large array or reasons. this exercise is not unlike an attempt to deride qm on the grounds that the various twerps making money out of govt grants in physics academia could not explain it.

23:35:44 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 20:42:43; decimation: if you want to see academic 'tardation in its glory, this is the place to go

23:37:02 mircea_popescu: and gold standard != deflation for the record. not anymore than diarrhea = transpiration

23:38:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136 << the latter point is correct, for now. but, much like us being here makes live marginally harder for now, yet the presence of punishment for idiots provides them an incentive to either get killed or get fixed, just so putting that in there pre-pogo provides an avenue for the network to purge itself of idiocy.

23:38:32 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.

23:41:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which idiocy ?

23:42:08 BingoBoingo: orphan shitters

23:42:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: our 0.5.3.xyz isn't any more clever on the transmitter end!

23:42:17 mircea_popescu: in the case of the blockchain, the existence of nodes that pump out bad info.

23:42:27 mircea_popescu: in the case of the world, the existence of people that pump out stupidity.

23:42:30 asciilifeform: it is 'bad' from standpoint of node which doesn't have the antecedents, yes

23:42:47 mircea_popescu: biology works in this manner alf.

23:42:55 asciilifeform: but this reflects the lack of a reasonable 'gossip' mechanism - on both ends

23:42:58 mircea_popescu: "it's bad from my pov so fuck you."

23:43:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149979 @ 0.00031638 = 47.4504 BTC [-] {3}

23:43:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha but here there isn't a 'me' and 'you' yet

23:43:22 mircea_popescu: not yet, no.

23:43:23 asciilifeform: there would just be folks shooting selves in the feet

23:43:27 mircea_popescu: yes.

23:43:33 mircea_popescu: how else do you think me and you is born ?

23:43:39 asciilifeform: once we have a reasonable 'embrace and extend' of sync mechanism - then yes

23:43:44 mircea_popescu: well yes.

23:43:58 mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing "This by itself and right now"

23:44:08 mircea_popescu: im not gavinue aendreaessaen

23:44:24 mircea_popescu: or w/e you spell it.

23:44:37 ben_vulpes: genuinely asinine

23:44:47 mircea_popescu: that's a point.

23:45:30 Adlai: !s gribble source

23:45:31 assbot: 898 results for 'gribble source' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gribble+source

23:46:18 Adlai: !s patch gribble OR nanotube

23:46:19 assbot: 18385 results for 'patch gribble OR nanotube' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=patch+gribble+OR+nanotube

23:46:24 Adlai: fuck

23:46:32 mircea_popescu: what are you trying to do ?

23:46:59 asciilifeform: anyway, for all who want, replace 'return true;' in 'if' block where begins with printf("ProcessBlock: BASTARD... with 'if (pfrom) pfrom->Misbehaving(whateverconstant)'

23:47:08 Adlai: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149204

23:47:08 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 23:32:24; midnightmagic: nanotube accepts patches pretty solicitously :)

23:47:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149145 << you have to appreciate the situation at the time. not that many nodes alive or expected, and a certain desperation to "make it work".

23:47:39 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 21:27:33; asciilifeform: i don't even apprehend why this 'jam tomorrow' nonsense was even in there in the first place.

23:47:57 mircea_popescu: and someone coding in windows and without much of a clue about programming as a theoretical discipline.

23:48:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: granted, but 'don't let strangers throw ten pounds of shit each into your five-pound bag' is not higher mathematics ...?

23:48:54 mircea_popescu: Adlai are you looking for his github ? same name.

23:48:58 Adlai: nonsense, satoshi had every clue about proper code, but he didn't want to make it too easy

23:49:04 Adlai: gotta leave something to work for

23:49:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the time the 4096 ounce bag should have been enough for everyone.

23:50:54 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/business/ << shit. my lyf ;/

23:51:54 asciilifeform: l0l

23:53:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149172 << that is always and without exception the sign of a vps being sold as fake "dedicated"

23:53:42 assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 22:53:20; midnightmagic: williamdunne: If you're quick enough, I suppose. Also, this is presuming the host itself isn't in some fashion pwned, since who knows how it was actually compromised considering the physical drives are unavailable for examination.

23:54:35 Adlai: aha, the culprit is https://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate

23:55:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85500 @ 0.00032489 = 27.7781 BTC [+] {2}

23:55:35 asciilifeform: y'know, it isn't hard to test for all known types of virtualizer from inside

23:55:35 asciilifeform: turdware artists do it sop.

23:55:35 mircea_popescu: Adlai yes.

23:55:35 mircea_popescu: you could have asked THAT , it's not uknown.

23:56:07 *: Adlai found that in the gribble source, didn't realize it was just parotting a value from elsewhere

23:57:37 mircea_popescu: bbl

23:58:11 Adlai: https://github.com/lirazsiri/blockexplorer -> PHP 95.4% -> nope

23:59:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00032857 = 19.6321 BTC [+] {2}

23:59:12 ben_vulpes: rewriting the block explorer now, Adlai ?

23:59:12 Adlai: nope. nope nope nope

23:59:12 *: Adlai has already (defun-json-rpc bitcoind.rpc ..)