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Transcript for 20-06-2014, 1296 lines:

00:03:57 benkay: <TheNewDeal> wtf is going on blockchain.info // have they gone evil yet?

00:04:39 TheNewDeal: haha possibly. I was just looking at the website and apparently only the first block on the top was refreshing. List read 306725 , 306719, 306718....

00:04:54 TheNewDeal: thought GHASH pulled a sneaky one and solved like 6 blocks in a row

00:05:42 thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.0001 * 600

00:05:42 gribble: 0.06

00:06:07 TheNewDeal: miners fee?

00:06:39 thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.001 * 600

00:06:39 gribble: 0.6

00:06:49 thestringpuller: wow this site wants to use 0.001 as a miners fee

00:06:50 thestringpuller: bold

00:07:07 thestringpuller: that's like jurov's 0.02 withdrawal fee lol

00:08:28 TheNewDeal: hahahaha

00:39:56 asciilifeform: ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 voice

00:39:58 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Mats_cd03 has been recorded.

00:40:27 assbot: Mats_cd03 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

00:46:14 asciilifeform: !up Mats_cd03

00:46:51 Mats_cd03: har har

00:48:12 asciilifeform: ;;rate mats 1 temporary voice

00:48:14 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mats has been recorded.

00:49:09 decimation: Did you lose your voice mats ?

00:51:20 Mats_cd03: i lost my gpg passphrase

00:51:31 Mats_cd03: much shame upon family

00:52:18 decimation: sucks :( I will take this as a reminder to test out my backup arrangements

01:03:13 Mats_cd03: in this instance, my brain was the failure mode

01:04:40 Mats_cd03: http://www.brookings.edu/events/2014/06/10-defense-department-information-technology-acquisition

01:04:41 assbot: Moore's Law Goes To War: How Can The Department Of Defense Keep Pace With Changes In IT? | Brookings Institution

01:04:55 Mats_cd03: fucking academics... moore's law is dead

01:14:17 BingoBoingo: %book

01:14:20 atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

01:22:17 BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03

01:22:44 kakobrekla: he can do that himself nao

01:22:49 kakobrekla: unless lost pass again.

01:24:37 BingoBoingo: You never know...

01:40:33 decimation: re: moore's law http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/18/intel_fpga_custom_chip/

01:40:34 assbot: Intel reveals its FrankenChip ARM killer: one FPGA and one Xeon IN ONE SOCKET The Register

01:51:07 asciilifeform: decimation: for some years, there were fpga on the market that fit into an intel or amd cpu socket

01:51:30 asciilifeform: decimation: built by nallatech (nsa contractor) and a few other outfits. thus, golden toilet prices

01:52:07 decimation: it is interesting, but there's no word on the details, like dynamic reconfiguration

01:52:09 asciilifeform: but at least these were traditional fpga and one could (at least in the case of xilinx) use linux toolchain, traditional vhdl/verilog, etc

01:52:28 decimation: you think that won't be the case with this intel chip?

01:52:36 asciilifeform: in the case of the intel product, even if it is placed on open market - you'll have to wait for reverse-engineered loader

01:53:02 asciilifeform: (intel never once in its entire life published anything but a mockery of 'open source.' see their 'open' bios, for example.)

01:53:05 decimation: but... this is intel's solution to "open" arm competition. Why would they start with a proprietary toolchain?

01:53:46 asciilifeform: this is merely idiocy of the journalist

01:53:56 asciilifeform: afaik there is no mass-market arm/fpga combo ic

01:54:47 decimation: no, but somehow according to the journalist companies like google would prefer to buy this intel fpga/cpu rather than an arm chip

01:54:48 asciilifeform: (actually there may be. fpga/cpu combo is a dime a dozen - xilinx made ppc/fpga cores for ages. but a modern pc arch cpu is something rather else)

01:55:10 BingoBoingo: PPC's modern

01:55:14 decimation: I'm pretty sure altera makes an fpga with an arm core

01:55:16 asciilifeform: modern clock rate

01:55:23 decimation: probably ... in an intel fab

01:56:01 asciilifeform: idea is, intel fears for its life, because x86 (and all the compatibility kludges that enable 20 years of crapola to run) is doomed.

01:56:27 BingoBoingo: Ah, features like an MMU aren't enough anymore. Now your need the pretense of "fast"

01:56:31 asciilifeform: danger of sane folks moving onto linux/arm (or whatever other arch)

01:56:34 decimation: aside from the journalist, there is an implict admission from intel here ... "We have no idea how to organize the transistors on our chip, here - have an FPGA"

01:56:39 asciilifeform: so gotta keep x86/winblows relevant somehow

01:56:49 asciilifeform: this is a lock-in play.

01:57:05 decimation: well, it's already happened on the mobile world - which is the only world selling chips in large quantities

01:57:45 asciilifeform: intel did once propose to stuff x86 turdballs in phones - to laughter around the world

01:57:57 decimation: intel's afraid that google et. al. will switch to arm in the server room - leaving the x86 market to ... nobody at all

01:58:16 asciilifeform: well, the high end

01:58:20 decimation: even those xscale chips that flopped weren't x86 as I recall

01:58:21 asciilifeform: (where their margin is fattest)

01:58:35 decimation: yeah there's still the "computing" computing market that mostly uses xeons

01:58:35 asciilifeform: xscale was their attempt at the true microcontroller market

01:58:45 decimation: but I don't think intel is going to survive on xeon chips alone

01:59:46 asciilifeform: the only people truly married to x86 are the folks bound to microshit

01:59:55 asciilifeform: i think at this point this isn't really controversial

02:00:17 decimation: and the scientific computing market is not wed to microshit

02:00:31 decimation: so if there is a serious linux based alternative cpu for them -- they are gone

02:00:49 asciilifeform: there is a reason we have the word - 'wintel'

02:00:57 asciilifeform: the two are 'partners in crime'

02:01:17 decimation: they still might sell some low end chips to idiots who want to run word or whatever

02:02:00 decimation: microsoft is pretty much in the same position

02:02:10 decimation: there are some games and business software that they have lock-in on

02:02:17 decimation: but that's also looking like a pretty niche market

02:02:56 thestringpuller: profitable. it is good starting money asset wise

02:03:15 thestringpuller: ooos mt

02:03:42 thestringpuller: video games rule

02:03:52 decimation: intel market cap 150B; microsoft market cap 342B

02:04:03 decimation: at least intel can lease fabs to third parties

02:04:14 asciilifeform: recall how intel helped ms to cripple os/2

02:04:18 asciilifeform: (secret instructions)

02:04:36 decimation: yeah this whole affair reminds me very much of os/2

02:04:43 decimation: except now microsoft is the out-of-touch monopoly with no ideas

02:04:55 asciilifeform: intel is ms hardware arm.

02:05:06 asciilifeform: has been nothing but this, since 1990 or so.

02:05:23 BingoBoingo: The piece of software most damaging to progress in computing in history has probably been Microsoft Office

02:05:32 asciilifeform: ms on the other hand is... usg department of compyooting.

02:05:50 decimation: yeah that's true, the only organization on earth that will voluntarily use ms is the usg

02:06:08 asciilifeform: only when seen in this light do the facts begin to make sense.

02:06:54 decimation: "you want to get paid? well, you better write your TPS reports in MS so we can give you tax dollars"

02:07:00 TheNewDeal: hahaha

02:07:49 decimation: this turns into "everyone" uses ms to transact business, we have no choice...

02:08:46 decimation: http://www.networkworld.com/article/2162519/windows/dod-saves--100m-a-year-with-new-microsoft-licensing-deal.html

02:08:47 assbot: DOD saves $100M a year with new Microsoft licensing deal | Network World

02:09:15 TheNewDeal: that's like the people who clip out all the coupons and then go shopping to save money

02:09:44 decimation: if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on

02:10:00 asciilifeform: as if this was ever a goal.

02:10:41 decimation: that's pretty much the mission statement of the nsa, gov't labs, et al

02:10:56 decimation: note that very little progress has been made

02:11:00 asciilifeform: usg has exactly the os it wants.

02:11:34 Apocalyptic: heh

02:12:09 asciilifeform: and intel products are the very same ideas, incarnated as hardware.

02:13:10 asciilifeform: (decades of legacy crud, endless mine of 'plausibly deniable' bug, documentation that would fill an entire bookcase and - when available - in heavily censored version, etc.)

02:13:49 *: asciilifeform blows dust of volumes of intel & amd cpu manual

02:14:00 asciilifeform: ^ what isn't in there is considerably more interesting than what is

02:14:51 asciilifeform: example:

02:15:03 asciilifeform: the only real source of genuine documentation on intel cpu initialization is:

02:15:09 asciilifeform: leaked AMI bios from a few years ago.

02:15:30 asciilifeform: (*leaked source)

02:17:03 asciilifeform: very telling detail - neither intel nor amd publish microcode documentation. (intel's microcode loader is known only from the leaked ami src, afaik. amd's is public. intel crypts their patches, amd - no. both release opaque binary blobs for microcode, no docs.)

02:17:51 decimation: it is odd that one of the companies doesn't try to be open to get more market share

02:18:06 asciilifeform: lol

02:18:46 asciilifeform: intel is arm of usg. amd - produces clones at the crown's pleasure (see agreement with intel)

02:18:57 asciilifeform: stops playing ball - no more clone.

02:19:51 decimation: but it's probably the case that if you are correct - that these microcode patches may weaken usg's own infrastructure

02:20:02 BingoBoingo: I keep telling people an OpenSparc *nix netbook would sell

02:20:19 asciilifeform: usg is not interested in securing own infrastructure in this sense.

02:20:23 asciilifeform: see, e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323

02:20:24 assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name.

02:20:56 decimation: I need to read Eco's book, I've seen it mentioned in many places

02:21:00 asciilifeform: first rule of usg comsec - secure machine must not come to exist, the wrong folks might use it.

02:21:25 asciilifeform: kbg followed same rule, with soviet 'gost' cipher scheme

02:22:32 asciilifeform: note the observation about how no known u.s. military crypto gizmo allows generation of keys by the operator. ever.

02:22:44 asciilifeform: all keys come from the continent.

02:22:52 asciilifeform: (no prizes for guessing why)

02:23:50 asciilifeform: usg concept of seekoority -> controlled porosity.

02:24:10 Mats_cd03: http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/06/19/mulling_iraq_options_begin_by_telling_me_which_of_these_groups_you_want_to_bomb passable writeup of factions

02:24:11 assbot: Mulling Iraq options: Begin by telling me which of these groups you want to bomb

02:24:31 asciilifeform: because 'sane machine for me but not for thee' doesn't work - can't guarantee future loyalty of the folks you issue the hardware to.

02:25:14 decimation: yeah that's an interesting theory

02:28:19 decimation: plenty of hard drives have aes "built-in", supposedly

02:29:07 decimation: ie http://news.softpedia.com/news/Stonewood-039-s-Eclypt-Drive-the-AES-256-Data-Fortress-84632.shtml

02:29:08 assbot: Stonewood's Eclypt Drive: the AES-256 Data Fortress

02:33:32 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust gigavps

02:33:33 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=gigavps | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gigavps | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011

02:38:50 BingoBoingo: %book

02:38:52 atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

02:39:16 BingoBoingo: %diff

02:39:17 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 434630.21 in 476 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.24

02:42:14 BingoBoingo: %ticker

02:42:15 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 58k High: 235 Low: 200 VWAP: 200

02:50:19 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

02:50:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.52, Best ask: 594.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 594.0, 24 hour volume: 5350.24576182, 24 hour low: 589.01, 24 hour high: 609.98, 24 hour vwap: 0

02:51:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21000006 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}

02:52:26 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers

02:52:27 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

02:53:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0670001 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2}

03:06:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}

03:12:36 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/the-man-behind-the-webs-most-controversial-video-site-1592857533

03:12:37 assbot: The Man Behind the Web's Most Controversial Video Site

03:19:38 moiety: i didn't even know this site existed

03:20:49 BingoBoingo: moiety: All of the most interesting videos are on World sStar Hip Hop.

03:25:49 moiety: BingoBoingo: including "the killing of 16-year-old Chicago student Derrion Albert in 2009" < also didn't know that was allowed

03:27:13 BingoBoingo: moiety: It's pretty much certain parts of urban black 'Murica unedited

03:27:37 BingoBoingo: Scares the hell out of white 'Murica

03:35:47 moiety: most things do

03:41:52 BingoBoingo: You know what's fucked up, Pedestrians in Google street view

03:42:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now mostly censored.

03:43:06 BingoBoingo: Not in this neighborhood I'm browsing for apartments

03:43:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: google almost certainly has a sizeable squad devoted solely to this.

03:43:33 asciilifeform: if you link it here - i'd bet it will vanish within the year.

03:49:55 BingoBoingo: Well, turns out at the right angle face is blurred

03:50:03 BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.722389,-89.223088,3a,75y,66.38h,78.32t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0__9LObQ7GKja0w_GUKZjA!2e0?hl=en

03:50:03 assbot: Google Maps

03:54:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what is interesting in this picture ?

03:55:43 BingoBoingo: From that position Due East there is a girl. From this angle face is blured. Try noving North or South... No bluring

04:40:32 moiety: lol whats the poinbt

04:40:35 moiety: point

04:41:02 moiety: assange did an ama

04:41:33 moiety: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/28js8v/i_am_julian_assange_publisher_of_wikileaks_ask_me/ pretty good read

04:41:34 assbot: I am Julian Assange, publisher of Wikileaks. Ask me anything. : IAmA

04:43:34 asciilifeform: mentions of asking the poster to pgp/gpg...

04:43:35 asciilifeform: 0.

04:43:50 asciilifeform: (he could be you, me, hitler)

04:44:22 asciilifeform: (is assange even associated with a key?)

04:47:40 asciilifeform: decimation: aes hard disk << what actually happens inside the drive? how does one know? this is not a minor detail - it's the beginning and end.

04:49:40 moiety: https://p10.secure.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/ssl/wikileak/2011/09/why-didnt-julian-assange-use-pgp-properly-when-handing-over-cablescsv-file-to-da.html

04:49:42 assbot: Why didn't Julian Assange use PGP properly when handing over the US State Department cables.csv file to David Leigh ?? - WikiLeak

04:54:28 asciilifeform: lol at expecting anyone to have sympathy for the folks who lost their heads from cables.csv (assuming any)

04:54:47 moiety: asciilifeform: to do an ama, reddit requires proof ... i wonder what form this took for assange

04:56:38 asciilifeform: in any country, there is - starting from local constabulary to the national gendarmerie - an archive, with list of stoolies, provocateurs, agents.

04:56:46 asciilifeform: sometimes - rarely - mob gets the list.

04:56:56 asciilifeform: heads roll. new regime, new list.

04:57:23 asciilifeform: (usually heavily borrowed from old. in east germany, how many heads rolled? zero)

04:58:00 asciilifeform: when turning stoolie - remember about the list.

04:58:35 asciilifeform: '...the names of political dissidents who were in contact with the US Embassy' << 'world's smallest violin' plays.

05:00:42 asciilifeform: reminds me of a convo i once had with a former american soldier (remains nameless)

05:01:04 asciilifeform: him: 'those motherfuckers, can you believe, they shot my translator the first minute he was alone.'

05:02:01 asciilifeform: me: 'say tomorrow chinese come. i learn chinese, become translator. i turn my back to you in dark alley. now what'

05:06:14 moiety: what did he say?

05:10:00 BingoBoingo: %book

05:10:01 atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

05:12:18 asciilifeform: he didn't say much. possibly - understood.

05:13:44 asciilifeform: 'More interestingly, many Americans no longer even understand the concepts of loyalty and treason?again, not surprising, since for a few generations now they have been ruled by traitors, whose routine acts of betrayal are designed to benefit just about anyone?from Israeli arms smugglers to Afghani heroin dealers?except the people who supposedly elect them to office.'

05:13:52 asciilifeform: (orlov, of course. http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/07/us-swaps-russian-spies-for-russian.html)

05:13:52 assbot: ClubOrlov

05:16:32 moiety: they are very dedicated to fighting for their country but they don't seem to know truly why

05:26:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21999976 = 1.32 BTC [+] {3}

05:40:40 danielpbarron: 01:39:44 < Ex0deus> monetary incentive makes people do all the wrong things

05:47:07 punkman: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/NSA-wharpdrive-slide-640x473.jpg

05:49:32 asciilifeform: punkman: old.

05:51:05 asciilifeform: punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723622 - discussion below

05:51:05 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

06:12:29 punkman: asciilifeform: I liked that slide

06:12:55 punkman: http://www.andrewcusack.com/2011/02/14/mamarazza/

06:12:56 assbot: Mamarazza | andrewcusack.com

06:23:43 BingoBoingo: !jd mpif

06:23:53 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.88204254 BTC; +0.03342066 BTC (+0.0194%) since last check 7h 40m 44s ago.

06:24:45 BingoBoingo: !mpif

06:24:47 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021706 BTC (Total: 434.14 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]

06:24:49 BingoBoingo: !jd

06:24:49 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 18936 BTC profit, 51.7k BTC invested, 1260.27 mio bets, 5.31 mio BTC wagered

06:35:12 BingoBoingo: Delusionist >> http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/were-telling-england-theres-a-chance/

06:35:13 assbot: We’re Telling England There’s a Chance! | FiveThirtyEight

06:40:26 moiety: someone just told me the scottish accent was their favourite english accent -_-

06:41:10 BingoBoingo: Did you correct them...

06:41:31 moiety: i said that's like me saying the american accent is my favourite canadian accent

06:42:00 moiety: apparently they meant english language and just said it wrong....

06:42:11 BingoBoingo: No, it's like saying the Boston accent is your favorite Southern drawl

06:42:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10909671/Scientists-find-Achilles-heel-of-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria.html

06:42:13 assbot: Scientists find Achilles' heel of antibiotic resistant bacteria - Telegraph

06:42:26 BingoBoingo: Which organism mentioned does not belong...

06:42:50 moiety: at least they are both in the same country

06:43:21 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: We're in trouble http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/06/20/0038251/draper-labs-develops-low-cost-probe-to-orbit-land-on-europa-for-nasa

06:43:22 assbot: Draper Labs Develops Low Cost Probe To Orbit, Land On Europa For NASA - Slashdot

06:43:30 BingoBoingo: moiety: They don't want to be though

06:45:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0689999 = 0.966 BTC [+]

06:48:47 BingoBoingo: !Whysofewtrades

06:50:45 *: BingoBoingo remembers the days assbot was ignored as spamzor #1

06:52:11 punkman: I'm surprised nothing more plausible than bitcoinbourse has come up yet

06:54:24 BingoBoingo: It's sad to have to say this, but as bad as it is Cryptostocks seems more plausible than bitcoinbourse

06:54:57 punkman: not many hitpoints left there

06:55:41 BingoBoingo: Well neither venture has many. The question is, which snail is the fastest.

06:56:37 BingoBoingo: Well, that was maybe two months ago. Now the question is "Which aquatic snail is the fastest on the Utah salt flats"

07:00:04 punkman: the omgdecentralized exchanges are keeping all the great minds occupied

07:08:46 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Heretic coin seems dead https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg6551501#msg6551501

07:08:47 assbot: [ANN][ALT][Altcoin][scrypt Adaptive N-factor][Random][Fair Launch][No ASIC]

07:12:06 fluffypony: you have to feed them news regularly

07:12:23 fluffypony: otherwise the natives get restless

07:12:49 BingoBoingo: Speaking of Cryptostocks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg7142898#msg7142898

07:12:49 assbot: Diamond Circle - Information memorandum - Ticker 'XDC' - Cryptostocks.com

07:17:01 punkman: "NO ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS DUMP OR ANYTHING?"

07:29:20 BingoBoingo: punkman1: These fucking aussies who strike out on their own are a form of the worst.

07:31:59 BingoBoingo: punkman: Also is this dude even talking about BTC here or his own invention he bestowed an already occupied name upon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg5374007#msg5374007

07:31:59 assbot: Diamond Circle - Information memorandum - Ticker 'XDC' - Cryptostocks.com

07:50:35 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/cookies-loaded-with-50-000-worth-of-cocaine-seized-at-1593545929

07:50:35 assbot: Cookies Loaded with $52,000 Worth of Cocaine Seized at Newark Airport

07:59:00 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/real-startup-that-mails-you-quarters-for-laundry-isnt-s-1593540845/+laceydonohue

07:59:01 assbot: Real Startup That Mails You Quarters for Laundry Isn't Seeking Funding

07:59:28 cazalla: BingoBoingo: didn't you know that the biggest Australian export after resources are bitcoin scams? (inputs.io, hair dresser ipos, kenilworth and on it goes)

08:00:07 Apocalyptic: heh

08:00:17 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I thought it was sand...

08:00:20 Apocalyptic: will be counted into GDP no doubt

08:03:36 BingoBoingo: This is basically CoinBase http://washboard.co/

08:03:36 assbot: Washboard

08:11:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15886 @ 0.00080343 = 12.7633 BTC [-]

08:17:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00080276 = 11.3189 BTC [-]

08:17:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21209405 = 0.8484 BTC [-] {3}

08:18:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.20690622 = 4.5519 BTC [-] {3}

08:19:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.20575862 = 5.967 BTC [-] {2}

08:31:12 moiety: !up Vexual please get in the wot, i'll help you

08:32:05 Vexual: I'll be less fun if everything I write is signed

08:36:44 Vexual: and jurov might want the key when I sell my soul to him

08:38:13 Apocalyptic: <Vexual> I'll be less fun if everything I write is signed // you seem to have a misconception here

08:38:22 Vexual: hows that?

08:40:32 Apocalyptic: having a WoT account doesn't mean everything you write is signed

08:42:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.205 = 0.615 BTC [-]

08:42:25 Vexual: no thats true

08:45:17 Vexual: afaik no such irc client is in the public domain

08:45:57 fluffypony: so with my flight to Estonia on Monday I have normal business class baggage limits - 32kg x2 checked, 8kg x2 hand luggage - but my local flight from here to Joburg has a 20kg *total* baggage limit

08:46:07 *: fluffypony is going to get shafted with excess baggage fees

08:46:48 fluffypony: R25/kg ($2.33-ish)

08:47:56 Vexual: are they hard arse about it?

08:48:59 fluffypony: just phoned them - they'll increase my free limit to 30kgs

08:49:01 fluffypony: such kindness.

08:50:24 Vexual: just put all the gold in your hand luggage and think light thoughts

08:50:35 fluffypony: lol

08:51:07 xmj: fluffypony: when are you boarding?

08:51:14 fluffypony: xmj: Monday night

08:51:17 xmj: right

08:51:19 xmj: :)

08:51:34 xmj: fluffypony: i haven't found the tailor yet. been busy all week

08:52:09 fluffypony: no problem - we can always go hunting

08:52:35 fluffypony: I land at 1:30pm on Tue

08:52:48 xmj: right

08:52:49 fluffypony: so we can go hunting in the afternoon

08:52:56 xmj: give me a call once you land

08:52:59 fluffypony: will do

08:53:13 Vexual: what does one hunt in estonia?

08:54:33 fluffypony: Vexual: tailors

08:54:40 fluffypony: for excellent Eastern European suits

08:55:14 Vexual: but where do you get the tweed?

08:55:37 fluffypony: it grows naturally in the tweed fields of Southern Estonia

08:55:50 Vexual: oh

08:56:30 xmj: see, he already knows more about the country i live in than i do.

08:56:53 xmj: fluffypony: you're flying from frankfurt with lufthansa

08:56:59 fluffypony: yes

08:57:01 xmj: do yourself a favor and have fun with the stewardesses.

08:57:07 fluffypony: lol

08:57:07 xmj: they're usually really cool

08:57:14 fluffypony: will do

08:57:31 Apocalyptic: <fluffypony> for excellent Eastern European suits // curious, I never heard anyone praise EE suits before

08:57:35 xmj: whenever i fly fra<>tll i choose one of the last rows, and by the time they're done serving people hang out in the back and chat with them.

08:57:56 xmj: just for the lulz.

08:58:00 Apocalyptic: Milanese tailors often are

08:58:11 xmj: Apocalyptic: mainstream!

08:58:18 Apocalyptic: hardly

08:58:27 Vexual: too much ball touching

08:58:29 xmj: Apocalyptic: average salary level in estonia is 800EUR.

08:58:53 xmj: so you'll be able to find a real decent tailor for less than you'd spend in other places.

08:59:03 Apocalyptic: that I can agree with

09:01:40 pankkake: !up Vexual

09:01:57 xmj: Apocalyptic: economics 101:D

09:02:47 Apocalyptic: xmj, when I go for excellent i don't look at the price

09:03:09 xmj: ya

09:03:26 xmj: i work in IT, tshirts are permissible work clothes.

09:03:36 xmj: tshirts and shorts in summer ;)

09:06:01 pankkake: I wouldn't trust someone in IT with a suit

09:06:47 Apocalyptic: as you wouldn't trust someone in finance dressed in a tshirt supposedly

09:07:16 pankkake: I wouldn't trust anyone in finance!

09:08:52 moiety: lol

09:09:12 Vexual: web of no!

09:15:03 Vexual: real IT people don't leave the house

09:15:19 fluffypony: lol

09:23:34 Vexual: 150Kpa and get dressed? too much pressure

09:26:00 Vexual: it's all about bitcoins per square inch now

09:30:01 Vexual: anyone know about the gpg multi irc client?

09:32:17 moiety: !up Vexual

09:33:37 moiety: no, here you just register with gribble, its really straight forward

09:34:40 Vexual: yes im talking of something else entirely

09:34:57 BingoBoingo: %book

09:34:58 atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

09:35:10 Vexual: %diff

09:35:12 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 432963.19 in 457 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.48

09:36:29 Vexual: whats that about a month?

09:36:40 BingoBoingo: Maybe? Maybe less?

09:37:30 Vexual: ;;calc 457*1/24

09:37:30 gribble: 19.0416666667

09:37:46 BingoBoingo: I have to say it looks like bid depth is back in fashion

09:38:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10393 @ 0.00080343 = 8.35 BTC [+]

09:41:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.068 = 1.088 BTC [-] {3}

10:03:57 moiety: !up Vexual

10:04:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06682465 = 0.6014 BTC [-] {5}

10:05:17 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

10:05:23 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 585.64, vol: 6505.86423318 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 585.996, vol: 5448.09482 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 586.0, vol: 7981.63740987 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 589.99, vol: 48.0889131 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 595.257585, vol: 2221.48030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 589.18043, vol: 8.21155122 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 577.943901, vol: 59.93883116 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

10:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06570882 = 1.5113 BTC [-] {4}

10:13:47 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/flying-robocop-is-a-riot-control-octocopter-with-guns-and-lasers/

10:13:47 assbot: Flying RoboCop is a riot control octocopter with guns and lasers | Ars Technica

10:14:03 Vexual: ;;lasers

10:14:03 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

10:14:33 moiety: ;; laserkittens

10:14:34 gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*

10:14:51 Vexual: wtf

10:14:58 moiety: we need manuls with lasers!

10:16:03 moiety: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27903742

10:16:04 assbot: BBC News - The macabre world of books bound in human skin

10:25:48 Vexual: sup nubules?

10:25:55 Vexual: nubbins`

10:26:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06361 = 1.9083 BTC [-]

10:31:18 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjJkLU9Ojo

10:31:18 assbot: 04. Wiley - Straight Outta London [Creating A Buzz Vol. 1] - YouTube

10:36:08 moiety: sorry my internet had a stroke

10:45:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00080111 = 18.8261 BTC [-] {3}

11:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.19516873 = 5.8551 BTC [-] {8}

12:07:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/20/cash-and-credit-in-a-cryptocurrency-economy-part-1/

12:07:29 kakobrekla: >I just uncovered a problem. I'm using the API to trade. I'm generating orders, and they are accepted by Bitfinex, but thats the extent of it. I have an orderid, time stamp, and the response says the trade is active. They don't get processed, and the history doesn't get updated. I've sent an email to support, but was just wondering if anyone else has seen anything strange like this. Seems to have start after 4:30 this afternoon. Th

12:07:29 kakobrekla: last time a trade was written to my history.

12:07:38 kakobrekla: ftw.

12:08:18 kakobrekla: gox qualitat.

12:20:31 los_pantalones: kakobrekla i'm submitting orders via api

12:20:35 los_pantalones: and they are working fine

12:20:43 kakobrekla: its a quote from the forums

12:20:49 kakobrekla: im not using that piece of shit.

12:20:50 los_pantalones: oh shit, i'm a jackass, sorry

12:21:31 kakobrekla: no worries

12:22:23 los_pantalones: http://washboard.co/

12:22:24 assbot: Washboard

12:22:27 los_pantalones: signed you up for that

12:22:40 los_pantalones: as a mea culpa

12:22:45 los_pantalones: yw

12:24:29 kakobrekla: what is this some bitcoin mixer

12:24:41 los_pantalones: no, you pay $15/mo for $10 in quarters

12:24:45 los_pantalones: delivered to your door

12:24:50 los_pantalones: jenius

12:25:42 kakobrekla: i dun get it

12:25:43 BingoBoingo: It's exactly like COinbase!!!

12:26:15 *: kakobrekla is prolly retarded

12:26:40 los_pantalones: nothing to get, it's retarded

12:26:46 los_pantalones: twas but a poor joke

12:27:38 BingoBoingo: Washboard is a startup whose business is you send them money, and they return to you less money!

12:27:48 los_pantalones: in physical form

12:27:53 BingoBoingo: An Honest Startup!

12:28:09 los_pantalones: to be fair, the people in the photos look really happy

12:28:47 kakobrekla: ahh! but i just need new underpants.

12:29:35 pankkake: I hate dealing with small monies, I usually leave the change - I don't mind paying "more"

12:29:41 pankkake: well this service does the reverse

12:35:37 BingoBoingo: Eh, the ATF is probably going to go after them when one of their customers fills a sock with their quarters and uses the product as a weapon.

13:05:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 85 @ 0.01805932 = 1.535 BTC [-] {12}

13:18:45 pankkake: !t h am1

13:18:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.19420000 / 0.21482589 / 0.22599900 (208 shares, 44.68378540 BTC), 7D: 0.18410000 / 0.21502034 / 0.25983989 (1039 shares, 223.40612862 BTC), 30D: 0.11000000 / 0.25820242 / 0.50990000 (5201 shares, 1342.91079699 BTC)

14:03:43 BingoBoingo: %ticker

14:03:44 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 58k High: 235 Low: 200 VWAP: 200

14:14:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15771 @ 0.0008015 = 12.6405 BTC [+] {2}

14:38:18 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/lolomusic/lolo-hit-and-run

14:38:19 assbot: LOLO - Hit and Run by LOLOmusic on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

14:45:48 mike_c: decimation:if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on << on the other hand, they couldn't even build a fucking website with hundreds of millions of dollars.

14:56:55 Mats_cd03: usfg lubed up the wheels and now healthcare.gov works p good

14:57:27 Mats_cd03: prob compromised already, but hey...

15:01:30 bitcoinpete: oh barry… https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/479997654748110848

15:01:31 assbot: ./SecondMarket and /BitcoinTrust now accepting orders for syndicate in US Marshals bitcoin auction. Details/access: https://t.co/VFK7XiRUZH

15:08:08 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/dorothy-the-band/dorothy-after-midnight

15:08:08 assbot: DOROTHY - After Midnight by Dorothy & The Band on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

15:08:26 FabianB: !mpif

15:08:39 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021711 BTC (Total: 434.24 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]

15:33:59 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/478774105475665920

15:34:00 assbot: When people call you intelligent it is because they agree with you. Otherwise they just call you arrogant.

15:46:58 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/480013042265391107 << coindeskin'

15:47:00 assbot: Mt. Gox Victims Angered by Mark Karpeles' Twitter Return http://t.co/Xly4qIdh5M

15:47:51 bitcoinpete: http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Results.aspx?Keywords=bitcoin << bitcoin/java dev jobs

15:47:51 assbot: CWJobs.co.uk

15:48:53 bitcoinpete: £80,000 per annum wouldn't be shabby if you didn't have to live in the city

15:50:23 mike_c: heh, the replies to all of karpeles recent tweets are great. what did he think was going to happen?

15:58:40 bitcoinpete: karps was probably just feeling lonely

15:59:11 bitcoinpete: that's what social media is mostly for

15:59:24 bitcoinpete: getting feedback

15:59:33 davout: the best for karpy would be the french "légion étrangère"

15:59:46 davout: new identity, free workouts

15:59:57 bitcoinpete: lol

16:00:03 bitcoinpete: he can afford the workouts

16:00:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.74984813 BTC to 9`369 shares, 18677 satoshi per share

16:05:13 pankkake: I think he's a piñata, but with bitcoins inside his body

16:05:51 davout: pankkake: you mean he shouls be hung somewhere ?

16:05:56 davout: *should

16:07:17 pankkake: why not.

16:07:28 pankkake: who is this new member of the cult of mpex? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658661.msg7412826#msg7412826

16:07:28 assbot: Which stock securities do you recommend ?

16:09:06 bitcoinpete: ya, mpex has the fakiest volume around

16:09:08 kakobrekla: !t m s.bbet

16:09:08 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (281 shares, 0.14 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (2000 shares, 1.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00048574 / 0.000525 (8628 shares, 4.19 BTC)

16:09:19 kakobrekla: yea, real volume is over 9000 fyi

16:09:24 bitcoinpete: i mean, how could anyone have so many bitcoins?

16:10:18 mike_c: plus he got it wrong. it's MPEx, not MPex.

16:10:26 bitcoinpete: "^^MPex --> fake volume, site operator is dishonest and in SEC's crosshairs. Would avoid."

16:10:39 mike_c: btw, free money alert. mpif ask below nav.

16:10:43 mike_c: !mpif

16:11:02 assbot: BtcAlpha.com: Failed to get JD stats

16:11:04 bitcoinpete: it's not mircea pexchange?

16:11:13 mike_c: aww. i blame JD

16:11:36 pankkake: mike_c: well, that's jurov work

16:11:45 pankkake: job*

16:11:56 kakobrekla: !mpif

16:11:59 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021732 BTC (Total: 434.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]

16:12:07 kakobrekla: sometimes its fast sometimes it dosent happen at all

16:12:10 pankkake: I never followed bitfunder, but I wonder how it ended up as such a fractional reserve

16:12:22 thestringpuller: NAV is going above last trade, very nice

16:12:27 thestringpuller: very nice indeed!

16:12:31 pankkake: while I don't believe btctctc faked volumes

16:14:36 mike_c: kakobrekla: but that error handling! kudos to us :)

16:14:43 kakobrekla: ;)

16:20:29 fluffypony: pankkake: railzand is cool, I know he reads logs

16:20:35 fluffypony: not sure if he ever hangs around here

16:20:43 fluffypony: but he's pinged me with stuff from time to time

16:20:55 pankkake: railzand, why not in the WoT, mate?

16:22:56 fluffypony: lol

16:23:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 260 @ 0.01992805 = 5.1813 BTC [+] {4}

16:26:31 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/19/5826158/college-athletic-scholarships-for-league-of-legends-players

16:26:32 assbot: US college offers athletic scholarships to 'League of Legends' players | The Verge

16:27:00 pankkake: nice. well starcraft would be better

16:29:12 danielpbarron: Dota would be better still

16:33:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.0186 = 0.5952 BTC [+] {2}

16:33:04 pankkake: http://www.gamification.co/2012/12/04/schools-using-starcraft-2-as-education-tools/

16:33:05 assbot: Schools Are Using Starcraft 2 as Serious Education Tools | Gamification Co

16:38:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06361007 = 2.0355 BTC [-] {2}

16:41:28 ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know.// ah, i assumed i needed to place some sort of text file at the domain to get picked up, but i am somewhat comfortable with DNS so I can do that too if needed

16:41:59 mike_c: ok. i would like for some eager dev to port bitcoin-seeder, but nobody has volunteered yet.

16:42:15 mike_c: so maybe we just do it manually for now.

16:42:19 ThickAsThieves: <+bitcoinpete> "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives." /// Stop being mean to Litecoin! (I just proposed a new bet that Dark(coin) will defeat Lite(coin) :)

16:42:49 ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> I already linked to the github repo for it /// i'm not sure what that means, tell me what to do!

16:43:39 benkay: good morning, assettes!

16:45:40 mod6: %d

16:45:41 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 429352.57 in 441 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.98

16:50:27 FabianB: $depth f.mpif

16:50:27 empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 556 @ 0.00021733 100 @ 0.00021711 100 @ 0.00021710 100 @ 0.00021708

16:50:28 empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 10000 @ 0.00023850 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000

16:52:11 BingoBoingo: %book

16:52:12 atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

16:54:11 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/yo-the-worlds-dumbest-app-hacked-by-three-college-stu-1593737429

16:54:12 assbot: Yo, the World's Dumbest App, Hacked by Three College Students

16:54:32 ThickAsThieves: holy netsplits

16:55:01 moiety: hello

16:58:12 kakobrekla: so tell me people, i need to make some api with signcryption model. should i go with sodium (ed25519), or just use pgp or something else? Curve25519 wont do (no signatures).

16:58:45 mike_c: just roll your own. new standard.

16:58:54 davout: kakobrekla: sodium sounds quite new

16:59:06 kakobrekla: does it?

16:59:18 davout: march 2013

16:59:42 pankkake: do you have size constraints?

16:59:56 davout: the hot chicks do

17:00:40 kakobrekla: with the message size? not really but shorter is generally better (but not for sake of security)

17:01:08 mike_c: ugh. shame on your family.

17:01:10 mike_c: http://www.bitcoin-otc.com/abcd

17:01:11 assbot: www.bitcoin-otc.com | 404 - Page Cannot Be Found

17:01:12 pankkake: gpg can do ecdsa, though it's not accessible by default

17:01:39 davout: pankkake: that's gpg2 only iirc

17:02:13 pankkake: using gpg gives you the option of multiple schemes

17:02:24 pankkake: people still use gpg1?

17:02:27 ThickAsThieves: <+punkman> last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers ///i look forward to those bettors finding their way here to complain

17:04:39 pankkake: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg07187.html

17:04:41 assbot: Re: [openpgp] Curve3617 in OpenPGP? Beyond rfc6637.

17:04:42 davout: kakobrekla: one advantage i'd see with gpg is that it would be easier for humans to use it manually

17:05:08 kakobrekla: its not meant for manual

17:05:11 kakobrekla: if its api

17:05:48 davout: well, it doesn't hurt that it's easily testable by humans, just sayin

17:05:57 punkman: ThickAsThieves: related: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723553

17:05:58 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:06:21 kakobrekla: yes but 99.99% of the time its used by machines, so lets optimize for that.

17:06:28 davout: pankkake: i have 1.4.13, doesn't seem to have any ECC enabled

17:06:50 pankkake: with gpg2 you have to enable expert mode

17:07:21 *: kakobrekla googles

17:08:56 davout: kakobrekla: "yes but 99.99% of the time its used by machines, so lets optimize for that." <<< if you follow this logic, all APIs would be better off using some binary protocol instead of JSON :D

17:09:16 kakobrekla: i will do base64 encode of the json, motherfucker.

17:09:31 davout: your face is base64 encoded

17:09:37 kakobrekla: only in the morning.

17:10:28 davout: for storage ?

17:10:35 BingoBoingo: Just use RSA and base 69 it

17:11:06 FabianB: why not bson?

17:11:12 BingoBoingo: 1MB keylength, because storage is cheap

17:11:20 kakobrekla: why not a lion or a hippo then!

17:14:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.02069181 = 0.6208 BTC [+] {3}

17:17:59 FabianB: or Smile

17:18:13 benkay: Diablo-D3: i'm eating biscuits and gravy and it's the best thing ever

17:18:15 BingoBoingo: Why not. Seed the PRNG with randomized hippo matter.

17:18:47 BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm just chewing on some raw wheat like god intended.

17:19:29 davout: "i'm just eating an apple like god intended"

17:20:02 benkay: !up Diablo-D3

17:20:33 benkay: i'm interacting with the system gpg binary like god intended

17:21:33 pankkake: apples are ok, unlike the horrible things mentionned

17:21:36 ThickAsThieves: "Update your client, HARD FORK! Friday we will begin paying MasterNodes - Latest Client Stable: 9.10.1 and RC3 with Darksend is 10.10.1 - See downloads!" ~ Darkcoin developer

17:21:54 ThickAsThieves: conveniently occurring just as the price topped

17:22:12 pankkake: is this the closed source altcoin that just repackages CoinJoin?

17:22:24 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves please let's refer to it by its proper name: Darkcon.

17:22:39 fluffypony: I'll be over here in the Monero corner giggling evilly

17:22:57 ThickAsThieves: all i know is day trading it has been much profitable

17:23:15 ThickAsThieves: monero is rocketing too

17:23:21 ThickAsThieves: how do you even buy it?

17:23:22 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Isn't monero the same bullshit since it isn't Altcoin, the only worthwhile altcoin

17:24:24 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: it's not forked from Bitcoin, so that already makes for a change

17:24:29 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: Poloniex has the most volume

17:24:37 fluffypony: but when XMR is rocketing then often Bittrex is slow to catch up

17:24:46 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Forked from BBQcoin?

17:24:57 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: doesn't even use the Bitcoin protocol

17:25:02 fluffypony: no GUI, CLI only

17:25:14 fluffypony: based on this: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

17:25:20 fluffypony: and the reference implementation thereof

17:26:22 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: So you descriminate against most derps then, reddit will nevar let you hear the end of it.

17:26:32 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: exactly

17:27:02 pankkake: also wallet and node are separate processes

17:27:26 fluffypony: yes

17:27:42 pankkake: you can run multiple wallets on the same node etc.

17:27:58 fluffypony: and atm we're working on properly daemonising bitmonerod, because it only runs in interactive mode

17:28:14 fluffypony: and splitting simplewallet into rpcwallet (daemonised) and simplewallet (interactive CLI)

17:28:57 fluffypony: oh and it has a 24-word deterministic seed (based on Electrum's wordlist)

17:29:16 fluffypony: so that will make usagi-level fuck ups less likely

17:29:38 benkay: this one cpu one vote thing is pretty bs

17:29:53 fluffypony: benkay: ignore that part - the PoW is up for discussion anyway

17:29:53 fluffypony: but

17:30:05 fluffypony: it has DEFINITELY lowered the gap between CPU and GPU miners

17:30:09 kakobrekla: IGNORE THE PARTS THAT DONT WORK

17:30:13 kakobrekla: my new mantra.

17:30:17 fluffypony: kakobrekla: of the whitepaper...

17:30:44 kakobrekla: well im keepin it nao

17:30:45 pankkake: but as always, the useful/working things could just be ported to Bitcoin

17:31:04 fluffypony: pankkake: ring signatures would be INCREDIBLY kludgy in Bitcoin

17:31:25 pankkake: why?

17:31:26 benkay: anonymity is also a red herring

17:31:39 fluffypony: gmaxwell has a test implementation of it, but judging by his comments in #monero-dev he doesn't like its fit with BTC much

17:31:51 fluffypony: benkay: in what sense?

17:32:21 fluffypony: try a transaction, look at it on the blockchain explorer, and then see what useful info you can derive at a mixin of 0

17:33:57 []bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/921/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 56(Y):44(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.655 BTC. Current weight: 36,106.

17:34:08 benkay: wow integer btc hitting the wc bets

17:34:31 benkay: fluffypony: it's not a use case for the vast majority of users, and for those who actually care solutions already exist.

17:36:22 fluffypony: that's only true *right now*

17:37:21 benkay: lol what are the solutions going to disappear?

17:38:25 fluffypony: what are the solutions? coinjoin? mixers? stealth addresses? hoping that the recipient never leaks the tx id?

17:40:51 benkay: buying coins offline.

17:40:55 benkay: sending them to fresh addresses.

17:41:23 benkay: broadcasting txns like a boss

17:41:33 benkay: (that is to say quietly).

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17:41:35 BingoBoingo: !b 5

17:42:09 benkay: i tell you man, red herring.

17:42:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/20/not-going-to-happen/

17:42:26 fluffypony: and then when you buy your illegal drugs or your very legal banned-thing-in-the-country-in-which-you-live you send it TO someone from those fresh addresses, and they can figure out who you bought it from

17:42:57 fluffypony: I would hazard that buying offline is even more dangerous than OTC on IRC

17:43:16 BingoBoingo: What, you don't use BitBet mixing?

17:43:34 benkay: who can figure out who i bought what from now?

17:43:55 fluffypony: benkay: when you are "buying coins offline" you're buying them FROM someone, no?

17:44:04 benkay: de veras

17:44:06 fluffypony: some fucktard from localbitcoins or mycelium or whatever

17:44:13 benkay: otc counts as offline imho

17:44:17 fluffypony: either way

17:44:20 fluffypony: that exposes you

17:44:37 benkay: how again?

17:44:59 benkay: and to whom?

17:45:15 fluffypony: gubmint suspects you are dealing in illicit books, so they setup a sting to sell you BTC - they are now able to watch you spend those coins on said illegal books

17:45:21 fluffypony: because they are the ones selling to you

17:45:27 benkay: dafuq

17:45:48 benkay: so...assume they've suborned one of my regular coin sources?

17:46:00 benkay: you have this whole story concocted that you're not sharing, man.

17:46:37 fluffypony: no story - I'm arguing that a use case will exist for untraceability (or optional traceability, if you will) in future

17:47:13 benkay: and i'm telling you i can buy coins untraceably right now.

17:47:27 benkay: unless my source is suborned.

17:47:36 benkay: in which case, even monero's SOL.

17:48:03 fluffypony: not entirely

17:48:25 fluffypony: the Monero blockchain won't reveal your balance, when you spend, how much you spend, or on what

17:49:07 benkay: and all the btc blockchain shows is that some random addr got some coins at some point

17:49:27 benkay: and then that those coins went to a known drug dealer at another point

17:49:39 benkay: if the shipment gets intercepted on the way back to me, monero's not going to save my ass

17:49:49 benkay: you're not actually doing the attack surface analysis man

17:50:20 fluffypony: drugs are not the only use case

17:50:31 benkay: thing-im-not-supposed-to-have-#42

17:50:55 fluffypony: but you've just explained the problem in your example

17:51:09 fluffypony: if you're being targeted by "them" then they know "some random adde"

17:51:12 fluffypony: addr

17:51:18 benkay: how?

17:51:26 fluffypony: aforementioned sting operation

17:51:34 benkay: suborned my dealer, you're saying.

17:51:38 fluffypony: yes

17:51:46 benkay: the coin salesman

17:51:49 fluffypony: and then you said that Monero was SOL

17:51:55 fluffypony: and I said it wasn't and explained why

17:52:01 fluffypony: and then you launched forth into a circuitous argument

17:52:10 benkay: so the dealer can't say i sent coins to that address with monero?

17:52:14 pankkake: also the idea here is that by default everything you do is hard to track

17:52:16 fluffypony: he can say all he want

17:52:23 fluffypony: he can't demonstrate you did

17:52:28 fluffypony: the blockchain won't reveal you did

17:52:39 benkay: that i did what now? sent coins to my drug dealer?

17:52:44 fluffypony: yes

17:52:51 benkay: k - but what about the package interception?

17:53:06 benkay: the posession of illicit goods is what enforcement cares about, right?

17:53:27 fluffypony: depends - if you're talking about drugs, sure

17:53:33 fluffypony: stolen goods? they just care that you bought it

17:53:43 fluffypony: what about digital goods?

17:54:04 benkay: digital goods being stolen coins?

17:54:23 fluffypony: no - I mean if you're buying digital goods

17:54:31 fluffypony: iTunes vouchers, for instance :-P

17:55:01 benkay: but illegal iTunes that i'm not supposed to have?

17:55:22 fluffypony: yes

17:55:50 fluffypony: so assuming that the delivery of the goods is not compromised

17:56:00 benkay: okay so the story is that i get busted for buying badTunes credits because i sent coins to the badTunes address?

17:56:13 asciilifeform: they... suborn your cook. who poisons you. blockchain - didn't help! cry?

17:56:26 benkay: yeah srs asciilifeform

17:57:11 fluffypony: well we'll see, I think time will tell whether untraceability is a desirous thing

17:57:43 benkay: i'm telling you that it's adequately doable right now that the sidechannels are the real risk, and that no amount of blockchainery is going to ameliorate your sidechannel risks.

17:58:01 benkay: can someone who's not a retarded american tell me if i'm off my fucking rocker?

17:58:12 benkay: retarded american child

17:58:55 benkay: (i'm not calling you names, fluffypony - that's me ridiculing myself)

17:59:06 fluffypony: I know you weren't, I'd have been surprised if you thought I was American :-P

17:59:26 benkay: i'm a wee bit more observant than that. but you know, ambiguity and IRC.

17:59:59 fluffypony: "YOU DIDN'T PUT A SMILEY ON IT, YOU MUST BE SAYING SOMETHING MEAN"

18:00:10 benkay: ugh internet people

18:00:13 benkay: anyways

18:00:27 danielpbarron: how can law enforcement be sure it's you who spent the coins if you simply send them to an intermediate address first

18:00:35 benkay: (biscuit coma)

18:00:54 fluffypony: danielpbarron: taint analysis - it's the reason that coinjoin and mixing isn't considered safe

18:01:13 benkay: danielpbarron: or for that matter if the addr in question's never been seen on the network, and you're not idiotic enough to associate it with any IP that could be associated with you.

18:01:27 benkay: ugh taint

18:01:30 benkay: *ragequit*

18:01:32 danielpbarron: there is no taint in Bitcoin

18:01:38 fluffypony: http://www.scribd.com/doc/227369807/Bitcoin-Coinjoin-Not-Anonymous-v01

18:01:41 assbot: Bitcoin Coinjoin Not Anonymous v01

18:01:41 fluffypony: that would be a start

18:02:18 danielpbarron: if i send funds to an address, you cannot be sure its my address; maybe i gave them away to a random address

18:03:09 *: fluffypony shrugs

18:03:15 fluffypony: nobody's forcing anyone to find Monero interesting

18:03:41 fluffypony: if you like maths and cryptography you may find our ongoing peer review of the CryptoNote whitepaper interesting

18:03:47 fluffypony: http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_annotated.pdf

18:03:52 danielpbarron: if you pay your drug dealer from your coinbase wallet, that can be traced

18:04:24 fluffypony: I've gotta bounce, at a friend's house and we're going to go eat and drink

18:05:18 danielpbarron: and i suppose if you send from a machine that is associated with you, that could be traced

18:05:43 danielpbarron: but i don't see how the blockchain reveals any info that definitively associates the funds with you

18:12:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00080393 = 7.3158 BTC [+] {2}

18:21:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/knc-neptune-delivered-hashing/

18:31:09 kakobrekla: ;;bc,diff

18:31:10 gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.

18:31:28 kakobrekla: i forgot.

18:31:34 mike_c: ;;bc,stats

18:31:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 306867 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1580 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15544170485.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.46205

18:31:45 kakobrekla: its been so long since i used that cmd.

18:32:17 mike_c: BingoBoingo: cancel the celebration party.

18:46:23 mircea_popescu: ola!

19:03:06 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: much shame upon family << srs.

19:05:47 moiety: hello :] how are you mircea_popescu?

19:06:28 mircea_popescu: pretty great.

19:10:40 mircea_popescu: how about you ?

19:12:38 moiety: very well, been snowed under but getting through everything :]

19:14:24 mircea_popescu: ah, snow... i remember this snow thing

19:14:40 asciilifeform: the circus performs: http://blog.cari.net/carisirt-yet-another-bmc-vulnerability-and-some-added-extras

19:14:44 assbot: CARISIRT: Yet Another BMC Vulnerability (And some added extras) | CARI.net Blog

19:15:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (intel never once in its entire life published anything but a mockery of 'open source.' see their 'open' bios, for example.) << sadly. which is why everyone's on amd, really.

19:15:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol

19:15:41 asciilifeform: everyone's on amd << thought it was just me.

19:15:42 asciilifeform: lol

19:16:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've not bought anything intel the past 20ish years.

19:16:36 mircea_popescu: roughly since the disatrous p1 math accelerator.

19:17:06 *: asciilifeform even now running amd hardware ('tyan' circa 2007) largely because amd mobos with ecc support and multiple pcie-16 slots have vanished into some mysterious black hole.

19:17:19 moiety: i'm still running intel celery because my laptop broke so back to an old one. it's dire!

19:18:11 ThickAsThieves: the redskins are very lucky actually

19:18:43 ThickAsThieves: the gov gave them an easy revival, rename, rebrand, cool new name and jerseys and fans

19:18:59 ThickAsThieves: other than the expense of the change, i bet it works out well

19:19:38 *: asciilifeform utterly bewildered that 'serious' people are willing to use non-ecc ram.

19:19:45 ThickAsThieves: The Chicago Blackhawks declined to comment about the Washington Redskins' loss of trademark protection Wednesday

19:19:51 ThickAsThieves: hehe

19:20:03 mircea_popescu: they;re somehow in danger too ?!

19:20:14 ThickAsThieves: of course

19:20:18 mircea_popescu: why ?

19:20:24 ThickAsThieves: soon we wont be allowed to say indian

19:20:35 ThickAsThieves: oh wait

19:20:41 mircea_popescu: but blackhawk ? nada a ver ?

19:21:18 ThickAsThieves: ;;google chicago blackhawks logo

19:21:19 gribble: Chicago Blackhawks: The Official Web Site: http://blackhawks.nhl.com/; Desktop Wallpaper - Chicago Blackhawks - Fan Zone: http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=47379; Chicago Blackhawks Logos - National Hockey League (NHL) - Chris ...: http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/list_by_team/7/Chicago_Blackhawks/

19:21:20 ThickAsThieves: there ya go

19:21:35 ThickAsThieves: just a happy lil injun

19:21:49 mircea_popescu: heh.

19:22:01 mircea_popescu: so after having their land stolen and later their population exterminated,

19:22:10 mircea_popescu: indians are now going to be erased from written record and culture too

19:22:16 mircea_popescu: under the guise of "protection

19:22:30 los_pantalones: ah, excellent point

19:22:57 ThickAsThieves: all to spare the ego of Uncle Sam

19:23:06 mircea_popescu: peculiarly extensive implementation of damnatio memoriae srsly.

19:23:09 asciilifeform: ;;google jahiliyyah

19:23:09 gribble: Jahiliyyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyyah; Jahiliyyah - Oxford Islamic Studies Online: http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e1157; Use of the Word “Jahiliyyah” (Period of Ignorance) - islamqa.info: http://islamqa.info/en/103660

19:23:29 ThickAsThieves: they just renamed a school in Jacksonville

19:23:40 ThickAsThieves: cuz named after KKK wizard or such

19:23:55 ThickAsThieves: was a huge fight

19:24:02 ThickAsThieves: but a local rapper won eventually

19:24:07 Blazedout419: Sad how overly sensitive the USA is these days

19:25:27 ThickAsThieves: interestingly, in a WoT/BTC/Mircean world, all bad things are permanent record

19:25:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: so gotta keep x86/winblows relevant somehow << can't imagine how that'd work. by now the stack is quite ample : x86 running windows to connect the owners of bitcents to reddit.

19:25:55 mircea_popescu: it's like... might as well consider the problems of the amiga universe.

19:26:13 ThickAsThieves: amiga is a good name for a universe

19:26:21 mircea_popescu: a defunct one.

19:26:45 asciilifeform: think how it would've went, if jack tramiel had bought himself a congresscritter or two

19:26:57 mircea_popescu: or if he just killed antonoderpulous.

19:27:24 asciilifeform: where was the latter in, say, '85 ?

19:27:32 *: asciilifeform confused

19:27:49 ThickAsThieves: so i've been getting lost in the world of day traders lately, found some google hangouts where people do screen shares and voice chat about charts, etc

19:27:55 mircea_popescu: idiots are perennial.

19:28:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how's voice chat work ?

19:28:19 ThickAsThieves: i mentioned irc at one point, and someone asked, why dont you guys just use voice chat?

19:28:46 ThickAsThieves: which sparked my interest, maybe we should have an open line

19:28:50 asciilifeform: idiots still have bitcents remaining? thought they've been vacuumed up by now

19:29:03 ThickAsThieves: they use Google Hangouts

19:29:07 ThickAsThieves: which works fine

19:29:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because irc is non blocking.

19:29:14 ThickAsThieves: but you could do voice on Ventrilo or such

19:29:18 mircea_popescu: i can rant while you talk.

19:29:25 mircea_popescu: if we voice chatted it'd be like the bdsm brunch.

19:29:32 ThickAsThieves: just a thought

19:29:53 mircea_popescu: iirc someone made fraudsters rift guild a ventrilo

19:29:57 mircea_popescu: so it's already existent

19:30:01 mircea_popescu: dunno if it gets much use

19:30:07 mircea_popescu: no wait was a mumble

19:30:09 ThickAsThieves: it would by the raiders

19:30:21 asciilifeform: we should have an open line << what's it cost / who one needs to kill / etc. to get a shortwave channel?

19:30:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to argentina, australia and everywherew ?

19:30:54 asciilifeform: 2 or 3 repeaters, sure.

19:31:13 asciilifeform: when solar flare, people will take break, get some wurk done.

19:31:40 ThickAsThieves: google hangouts are recorded in 8 hour sessions too, and able to be live broadcasted on youtube, so we've had some dialogues and such as 'entertainment'

19:31:50 ThickAsThieves: anyway that's what ive been up to

19:31:58 mircea_popescu: by the way, re the intel thing and atari : in 1983, game consoles sold like 3bn dollars' worth (in 1983 dollars, like ten trillion today). by 1985, it was 100 mn (9x% drop)

19:32:03 mircea_popescu: these things DO happen

19:32:11 asciilifeform: the infamous desert burial

19:32:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so link one ?

19:32:35 ThickAsThieves: i'll have to get it from one of them next time

19:32:39 asciilifeform: (some fool dug up the site not long ago)

19:35:08 mircea_popescu: decimation: "you want to get paid? well, you better write your TPS reports in MS so we can give you tax dollars" << "yeah but how about you don't have tax dollars to give in the first place"

19:35:26 mircea_popescu: the displacement of which bitcoin is keystone is really pretty large.

19:36:36 benkay: i can't wait until my taxable dollar amount is negligible

19:39:51 mircea_popescu: quick boobs

19:42:42 mircea_popescu: moiety: https://p10.secure.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/ssl/wikileak/2011/09/why-didnt-julian-assange-use-pgp-properly-when-handing-over-cablescsv-file-to-da.html << re this ? the first website on the whole internets to actually publish cables ? my blog.

19:42:43 assbot: Why didn't Julian Assange use PGP properly when handing over the US State Department cables.csv file to David Leigh ?? - WikiLeak

19:42:52 mircea_popescu: later that day wikileaks gave up and actually dumped it too.

19:45:11 benkay: boobs?

19:45:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:

19:45:24 mircea_popescu: 'More interestingly, many Americans no longer even understand the concepts of loyalty and treason?again, not surprising, since for a few generations now they have been ruled by traitors, whose routine acts of betrayal are designed to benefit just about anyone?from Israeli arms smugglers to Afghani heroin dealers?except the people who supposedly elect them to office.' << that's not the why.

19:46:12 mircea_popescu: the why is that for an entire generation now they've been trained to falsely believe that hierarchy is arbitrary and evil, that submission is against human nature and forcing the inferior to submit inhuman etc scl.

19:46:31 mircea_popescu: that system of crud makes loyalty logically impossible.

19:47:43 benkay: someone talked us into trading leadership for democracy, with predictable results.

19:48:04 benkay: i spent my early twenties looking for a man worth my loyalty and then gave up.

19:48:26 mircea_popescu: remarkable how much orlov gets wrong given how much he notices.

19:48:27 benkay: well, worth loyalty and capable of leading.

19:48:41 mircea_popescu: benkay and willing to, is the bitch.

19:49:55 moiety: interesting

19:51:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.andrewcusack.com/net/wp-content/uploads/saynw4.jpg this is actually not bad

19:51:49 benkay: yup.

19:52:54 benkay: not that i found any worth my time to begin with, so i don't even have a sample of potential masters to compare to each other.

19:53:14 benkay: this conversation just got mad gay.

19:53:53 mircea_popescu: well since we're doing mad, lemme tell you a story.

19:54:50 mircea_popescu: i take girl to local bdsm brunch yesterday. bout fiddy local people, all very nice and friendly, some bar somewhere that you'd think you've died and it's greenwich village in 1980 all over again

19:55:39 mircea_popescu: there's this chick that looks just about 12 (and later confirmed her weight as 43 - !!! - kgs) that takes a liking to my girl, they chat, i buy them wine,

19:56:03 mircea_popescu: tells us all about how she's tried being a 2nd subbie in a relationship and it was ok but they ended it amiably and she's not looking for anything

19:56:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile unattached in-their-own-oppinion dom guys tell me all about how alpha really they are, and then we leave.

19:57:02 mircea_popescu: with the kitten. who, mind you, gets up in a cab and drives away with two guys who are clearly foreigners, barely speak the language, and she's just met two hours prior in a bar at a bdsm munch.

19:57:48 mircea_popescu: past desperate attempts at cockblocking by the entire collected "alpha" population. apparently my chick's unstoppable and really fucking scary to boys.

19:57:59 mircea_popescu: so : there's seeking and then there's seeking.

20:00:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 132.20522660 BTC to 77`492 shares, 170605 satoshi per share

20:00:58 benkay: i also had nothing to bring to the table for those years. arguably still don't.

20:01:12 mircea_popescu: neither did she. i have more tit.

20:01:32 mircea_popescu: i mean, *I* have more tit.

20:02:11 benkay: but you're out shopping.

20:02:28 mircea_popescu: in spite of which she did everything all night long, i took her to breakfast and then dropped her off in the arms of her mothar.

20:02:36 mircea_popescu: i guess sort-of yeah, that's a point.

20:03:36 benkay: ha so my time for story

20:03:49 mircea_popescu: the gay just won't wash away :D

20:03:57 benkay: gotta pray it away

20:04:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, please, by all means, even the story cunt a bit

20:04:21 mircea_popescu: im sick of reading nothing but my own stories in the logs

20:05:33 benkay: so last night i'm at the user group thing, making friends, introducing people to each other, the usual shit necessary to keep a user group's momentum up, and not one, not two but three people on whose skills and capabilities i've been sold for a while come up to me gently asking about opportunities to contract

20:05:48 mircea_popescu: cazalla: BingoBoingo: didn't you know that the biggest Australian export after resources are bitcoin scams? (inputs.io, hair dresser ipos, kenilworth and on it goes) << i've often thought of this. add patrick harnett and a whole other bunch of new zealand folk

20:06:09 mircea_popescu: benkay so you're like made.

20:07:04 benkay: separately, a local company'd killed off their division of programmers who work in this particular stack due to the 'difficulty' of finding them. several of these devs left their employers due to the boss' unwillingness to put steel behind the right technical decisions with clients.

20:07:55 benkay: and i'm sitting over here not exactly swimming in work but definitely a bit busy helping people who trust me to run the technical side of their businesses, and definitely overwhelmed by the talent seeking work with me.

20:08:03 mircea_popescu: so at this juncture you send the boss's boss a link to this log

20:08:08 mircea_popescu: seemingly you're the new boss.

20:08:53 benkay: wat

20:09:07 benkay: just 'cause their boys want to hack with me doesn't mean i get to tell their old firm what to do.

20:09:13 mircea_popescu: says who ?

20:09:36 benkay: well back up a sec - just what does that get me?

20:09:51 benkay: "neener neener i got yer best"?

20:10:01 benkay: where's the ROI?

20:10:11 asciilifeform: programmers << i thought benkay ran a machine shop ?

20:10:14 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Heretic coin seems dead https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg6551501#msg6551501 <<< these people are so retarded it bleeds right off the page. on one hand derps wonder why nobody mines/cares about the coin, and hnt at conspiraci. on the other, guy trying to slel 3mn coins, no news in a month. GEE FUCK I WONDER WHY IT IS NOBODY MINES IT

20:10:14 assbot: [ANN][ALT][Altcoin][scrypt Adaptive N-factor][Random][Fair Launch][No ASIC]

20:10:25 mircea_popescu: benkay gotta give the boss' boss the opportunity to make his own mistake.

20:10:49 mircea_popescu: sane boss approached with this, if it can be documented, cans the underboss that same day.

20:10:56 mircea_popescu: and with extreme prejudice at that.

20:11:21 benkay: asciilifeform: i had no intention of giving that impression. i'd love to own a machine shop but I need a pile more capital to make that happen. ergo...software.

20:11:22 mircea_popescu: "you dumb fuck, i have to hear from random passerby';s how utterly you suck at your job ? go fuck a goad in the market, you're never working in this line again"

20:11:36 ThickAsThieves: Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins?

20:11:53 ThickAsThieves: they seem to be Casascius kinda thing

20:11:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i never saw proof they scammed anyone, if that helps.

20:12:16 ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell nubbins [16:11] <+ThickAsThieves> Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins?

20:12:17 gribble: Error: "16:11" is not a valid command.

20:12:23 benkay: it's not that bad a move from their perspective, mircea_popescu. if they want to chase milli+ contracts that run only on .NET and POJ, that's a legit business move.

20:12:23 ThickAsThieves: oh ya

20:12:48 mircea_popescu: benkay a, i guess you leftthat part out.

20:13:13 ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell nubbins` [16:11] <+ThickAsThieves> Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins?

20:13:14 gribble: Error: "16:11" is not a valid command.

20:13:15 mircea_popescu: so then, maybe you're running the local bitter loser group, and the fleet sailed long ago. who's to know.

20:13:17 benkay: hey you think i leave details out of stories you should have seen fluffypony earlier

20:13:25 ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell nubbins` Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins?

20:13:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:13:45 benkay: mircea_popescu: i thought lispers were all bitter losers to begin with

20:13:52 mircea_popescu: muy true

20:14:09 benkay: but also i'm running a different, longer play.

20:14:15 mircea_popescu: arguably not as losers but bitterer than the other type o coders, but anyway

20:14:33 benkay: dat bedrock

20:15:17 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: having a WoT account doesn't mean everything you write is signed << why not ? inasmuch as only you could have written it...

20:16:25 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: just phoned them - they'll increase my free limit to 30kgs << fuck them, assholes. seems all short distance is covered by this sort of low service "low cost" bs.

20:17:41 asciilifeform: provokes the question, what do the 'high end' folks do? fly own machine?

20:17:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more often than you'd think. prices have really come down

20:18:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i live next to a field full of these things. the fellow i used to rent from owned one. about 40k usd.

20:18:32 FabianB: $traded

20:18:33 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE

20:18:33 mircea_popescu: right ? sorta like a van

20:18:35 asciilifeform: ~what a nice car costs. but, the bureaucracy!

20:18:51 mircea_popescu: well, for one if you fly high enough you don't actually have to report

20:18:51 asciilifeform: wanna start the motor? fill out these here forms...

20:18:56 mircea_popescu: there' sa list of stuff

20:19:42 asciilifeform: related:

20:19:48 asciilifeform: ;;google joseph stack manifesto

20:19:48 gribble: Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464; Plane Crash Suspect's Diatribe | The Smoking Gun: (1 more message)

20:20:50 asciilifeform: (summary: fellow worked a bunch of ancient software consulting gigs. owed $maxint in tax somehow. told that his little airplane would be sold to pay the debt. went spectacularly postal.)

20:21:33 mircea_popescu: i remember this, was years ago

20:21:39 asciilifeform: aye

20:21:41 mircea_popescu: or rehash ?

20:21:43 mircea_popescu: aok

20:22:04 mthreat: i saw that building after he hit it. It was the IRS building, and he targeted it on purpose

20:22:07 asciilifeform: no, just example of somebody who actually relied on a micro airplane for a living

20:22:34 asciilifeform: which was interesting, because 'tools of crafsman' are normally exempted from auction by creditors

20:22:58 asciilifeform: but (can't recall) either tax authorities are not limited in this way, or they ruled that the machine was not really 'tool of trade'

20:23:21 mircea_popescu: My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ?80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ?tax code? readings and discussions.

20:23:31 mircea_popescu: srsly, the notion that there exists such a thing as "plain language"...

20:24:00 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'd love to have a voice channel, but I think it would work better if we scheduled it - like a session every two weeks or something?

20:24:05 mike_c: i think it's somewhat valid. plain = not a lot of jargon.

20:24:05 mircea_popescu: basically the problem of intelligent people is that the knowledge needed is so vast... i could readily render the pretense and nonsense of it, but i don't have the time/patience to hang out in every nook and cranny.

20:24:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c "plain language" is the conceptual equivalent of "measurement in se". how long is your desk ?

20:25:41 mike_c: it's about yea big

20:25:58 mircea_popescu: so can i use the even-ness of the 129th digit in your measurement reliably ?

20:26:20 mircea_popescu: there's nothing plain about language just like a measurement isn't the thing measured.

20:26:29 asciilifeform: 'I have never seen unintelligent or children of average intelligence muster the intellectual power that causes them to believe their own mind to be better and more trustworthy than reality, although the enjoyment of every kind of magic and fairytales and mystic and wizardry is a sign that many _wish_ their minds were better than reality at a certain age. I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it i

20:26:29 asciilifeform: s and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your own mind at zero cost is better than what must be dug up fr

20:26:29 asciilifeform: om reality at great effort.'

20:26:37 asciilifeform: guess who

20:26:42 mircea_popescu: naggum ?

20:26:45 asciilifeform: (naggum, of course. http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html)

20:26:46 assbot: 404 Not Found

20:27:05 asciilifeform: stuff it arsebot, it's found.

20:27:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c and the "not a lot of jargon" thing is roughly like the vietnam forest without a lot of vietcong in it.

20:27:23 mircea_popescu: i'd be worried.

20:27:56 mircea_popescu: !up st4rbux

20:28:02 mike_c: for sure, you can't speak about things intelligently with plain language. i can't tell you what's wrong with your computer in plain language.

20:28:29 mike_c: so i guess it's a euphimism for dumb language.

20:28:30 mircea_popescu: moreover, and more dangerously : a term of art that has a common speech homophone will only notify those in the know of its status

20:28:37 mircea_popescu: it's not going to (nor can it) notify the innocent.

20:29:24 asciilifeform: try explaining how to... tie a bowline sea knot - in 'plain language.'

20:29:52 mike_c: you can't. nor can you specify the tax code in plain language.

20:29:52 mircea_popescu: i use the plainest language of anyone i'm aware of, and yet people claim you need a degree to argue with me. wtf is that all about.

20:30:01 mircea_popescu: DO YOU LIEK SPEAK PLAIN ENGLISH ??!

20:30:16 asciilifeform: the most elegant example of the agony of 'plain language' is: attempts at computer programming systems which purported to use such.

20:30:25 mircea_popescu: good example yea

20:30:38 mike_c: it's a starting point, not an endpoint.

20:30:43 asciilifeform: consider:

20:30:44 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/hypercard-calc/hc23.jpg

20:30:57 mircea_popescu: my z80 keyboard had plain language on it : load, merge, save etc

20:31:36 asciilifeform: ^ even with manual, this 2-line script was a pain to write. logically equivalent phrases, all sum to nothing

20:31:37 mircea_popescu: it's great for humour this. "does your desk make your back hurt ? press backspace!"

20:31:52 asciilifeform: 'please press any key' - 'where is the any key'

20:32:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hought you loved hypercard ?

20:32:23 asciilifeform: not the script lang

20:32:28 mircea_popescu: a a ya

20:32:32 mircea_popescu: nm

20:32:38 asciilifeform: it was made to torture sinners in an apple-themed hell

20:33:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06380004 = 1.1484 BTC [-] {3}

20:33:39 asciilifeform: somehow, 'hypertalk' was well-liked by serious users. why? theory: it lured a bunch of folks who were 'on the right side of the camel's hump' to begin with - into learning elementary programming

20:34:10 asciilifeform: e.g. lawyers, accountants, builders - people who wouldn't have had any dealings with programming otherwise, and - by many accounts - haven't since.

20:34:47 mircea_popescu: In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each

20:34:47 mircea_popescu: other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be ?healthier? eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn?t quite go there, but the impression was made.

20:35:06 mircea_popescu: for the record, had occasion to punish girly to cat food only diet for a week or so.

20:35:13 mircea_popescu: she hated that more than anything in memory.

20:36:03 *: asciilifeform recalls many stories of soviet emigres dining on delicious cat food upon arrival

20:37:00 asciilifeform: (it is not necessarily clear, to a man innocent of the concept of specially made feed for cats, why he should not dine on a can of tuna with a cat printed on the label)

20:37:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06380043 = 0.5104 BTC [-] {4}

20:42:04 asciilifeform: incidentally, mr stack was a firmware builder.

20:42:07 asciilifeform: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/plane-crash-suspects-online-diatribe?page=6

20:42:07 assbot: Plane Crash Suspect's Online Diatribe | The Smoking Gun

20:42:18 asciilifeform: probably could have gotten a slower, but more spectacular revenge.

20:43:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sheep never make good wolves.

20:43:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06498295 = 0.5199 BTC [-]

20:43:21 *: asciilifeform awaits the epic rampage of a future mr. heap.

20:43:25 mircea_popescu: the reason for that'd be that sheep never make good wolves in the first place.

20:43:30 ThickAsThieves: mp you made it! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=651315.msg7298687;topicseen#new

20:43:31 assbot: Hall of Shame Leaderboard/Awards: Vote for your Favorite Worst Crypto CEOs Ever!

20:43:44 Azelphur: asciilifeform: that site served me the wrong image the first time I loaded the page...so confusing

20:44:08 mircea_popescu: ;;google mircea popescu ceo

20:44:09 gribble: Mircea Popescu | LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mircea-popescu/23/a1b/21a; The SEC asked this Romanian Bitcoin CEO for private data. Here is ...: http://www.ihavebitcoins.com/featured/sec-asked-romanian-bitcoin-ceo-private-data-response/; An era ends today. A new era starts today. pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era- (1 more message)

20:44:11 Azelphur: it served me a screenshot of a small businesses website that creates embedded art firmware/software

20:44:22 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: BITCOIN CEO

20:44:23 Azelphur: xD

20:44:24 asciilifeform: Azelphur: that was the correct photo

20:44:25 mircea_popescu: win.

20:44:40 Azelphur: asciilifeform: oh, then I'm confused

20:45:18 asciilifeform: Azelphur: it was run by one joseph stack, who crashed a small airplane into a tax authority office in 2010.

20:45:28 Azelphur: I see

20:46:08 benkay: i'm surprised MP didn't get more 'smooth talker' noms

20:46:29 mircea_popescu: i what ?!

20:47:50 ThickAsThieves: benkay consider they all think hanbot is mp

20:48:45 mircea_popescu: inexplicable why it's so easy for scammers on that forum.

20:50:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 179 @ 0.03847462 = 6.887 BTC [-]

20:51:07 ThickAsThieves: "Same here. I think IQ is bullshit and is a way of the gevernments to bracket us. Qualifications are a load of crap too. Who need a piece of paper to tell people that they can create the next "E=MC Squared"."

20:51:15 ThickAsThieves: from Cryptsy trollbox

20:51:51 ThickAsThieves: "Crowdfunding has shown that ANYONE can create or innovate. Not just greedy corporations."

20:51:52 ThickAsThieves: same guy

20:51:59 los_pantalones: have a good weekend ladies and germs

20:51:59 mircea_popescu: a will to power as the only qualification ?

20:52:18 mircea_popescu: remarkable how similar the start and end of civilisation are. sorta like the start and end of man's life.

20:52:54 mircea_popescu: is there any actual anything done via crowdfunding so far ?

20:53:02 benkay: oculus rift?

20:53:04 mircea_popescu: i don't mean nonsense gathering a pile of cash

20:53:17 asciilifeform: the ransom of 'blender' (cad package) ?

20:53:19 mircea_popescu: what's it do ?

20:53:31 ThickAsThieves: some movies and games and shit

20:53:35 mircea_popescu: some gaming headset. meh.

20:53:46 ThickAsThieves: some accessories for phones n shit

20:53:57 ThickAsThieves: i got an NFC ring

20:54:05 ThickAsThieves: which i havent even tried yet

20:54:05 mircea_popescu: so basically, for as long as other people cook, crowdfounding can continue to make the tomato roses.

20:56:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c: ugh. shame on your family. << bitcoin-otc isn't really intended for https anyway is it. or am i missing your point ?

20:56:42 mike_c: my point was it is using cloudflare

20:56:59 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/KRbNE256 << my reply to a reader, some time ago, who asked 'why won't you use kickstarter'

20:56:59 assbot: Dear [redacted], [redacted] is, unfortunately, almost the polar opposite of t - Pastebin.com

20:57:48 mircea_popescu: myeah. giving the site ot mr evil doesn't hurt anything on a plaintext site.

20:59:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: conveniently occurring just as the price topped << anything having taaki involkved and not being a scam ?

21:00:22 ThickAsThieves: is darkcoin his thing?

21:00:39 ThickAsThieves: i know he's darkmarket

21:00:46 ThickAsThieves: which i think they changed to Open Bazaar

21:01:06 *: mircea_popescu now has to check digests

21:01:43 mircea_popescu: http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/05/anarchistic-anonymous-dark-coin-creator-amir-taaki/

21:01:44 assbot: Anarchistic Anonymous Dark Wallet Creator: Amir Taaki | Max Keiser

21:01:57 mircea_popescu: haha whart a bullseye

21:02:45 ThickAsThieves: ok so taaki makes darkwallet

21:02:49 ThickAsThieves: not darkcoin

21:03:01 ThickAsThieves: The brainchild behind Darkcoin, Evan Duffield, explained his motivation for creating this privacy-oriented crypto-currency:

21:03:01 ThickAsThieves: “I believe the central problem with Bitcoin is that the public ledger, although a remarkable accomplishment, also allows a gross invasion of personal privacy by permanently listing all transactions the users have ever done publicly.”

21:03:08 mircea_popescu: "dark-coin-creator"

21:03:11 mircea_popescu: am i misreading ?

21:03:24 ThickAsThieves: no, they are mis-writing

21:03:30 mircea_popescu: he's definitely misreading what bitcoin does, for that matter.

21:04:46 ThickAsThieves: Evan Duffield has given much praise to the Dark Wallet project that was spearheaded by crypto-anarchists Cody Wilson and Amir Taaki, but stated that "it's not a completely decentralized approach.”

21:04:59 ThickAsThieves: or "they are asses"

21:05:07 mircea_popescu: pity for wilson

21:05:25 mircea_popescu: it's sad how many promising young minds are ruined by the predilection of young minds for bad associations

21:05:28 mircea_popescu: today as in 1814

21:06:06 ThickAsThieves: DarkCoin uses 11 rounds of different hashing functions

21:06:16 mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#725708 << this entire convo seems entirely nonsensical to me.

21:06:17 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:06:32 mircea_popescu: so you have a guy's affidavit that he sent me 10 btc to addy x in tx y.

21:06:38 mircea_popescu: so what now ?

21:07:34 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so ?

21:07:43 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: DAISY CHAIN

21:07:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd guess: much of the panic re: btc 'taint' etc. comes from u.s. folks, who can be sent to the gasenwagen on very loose - rather than hard, 'scientific' - evidence.

21:08:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see any evidence whatsoever is th problem

21:08:31 ThickAsThieves: most americans have tainted all their coins by now

21:08:36 mircea_popescu: sothe 10btc is... moved to my wallet, from which a diff sum is spent on whatever, baby squirrel tears. so what now ?

21:08:41 asciilifeform: think 'astrology', not astronomy.

21:08:47 mircea_popescu: it's deposited to mpex, and a sum withdranw to pay for same. so... what ?

21:08:53 mircea_popescu: it's bet on bitbet, and it loses. sooo ?

21:08:53 asciilifeform: 'mr x owns black cat, is a witch'

21:09:00 mircea_popescu: it's moved to another address. so ?

21:09:08 mircea_popescu: they pick you up, you go "sorry, I sold them".

21:09:10 mircea_popescu: what now ?

21:09:28 mircea_popescu: if they ask you who you sold them to, you give them the name of the prosecutor in charge.

21:09:30 mircea_popescu: derp.

21:09:36 asciilifeform: inquisitor: 'ok, find me the fellow who bought. he'll sit on this here stake, next you yours, and will tell the truth'

21:09:45 mircea_popescu: "you, m'lad"

21:10:11 ThickAsThieves: you are suggesting an American to lie!?

21:10:14 mircea_popescu: since we're doing affidavits, prosecutor is welcome to an affidavit as to how he himself bought.

21:10:19 mircea_popescu: and he can go hang himself with it.

21:10:21 asciilifeform: inquisitor: 'libelling a faithful servant of the king, that'll be an extra two years on the stake'

21:10:23 mircea_popescu: no, it's the truth.

21:10:34 ThickAsThieves: Schrodinger's Truth

21:11:06 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as bitcoin taint. attempts to solve this inexistent problem, just like all the other attempts to solve inexistent problems in the history of human engineering

21:11:15 mircea_popescu: are a waste of the presumptive solver's time.

21:11:28 mircea_popescu: many many MANY genius minds wasted most of their time in pursuit of similar nonsense.

21:11:31 asciilifeform: the proposed legal defense, though, will work about as well here as it would've in ussr.

21:11:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but that is entirely besides the point

21:11:51 ThickAsThieves: taint is a factor for terrorists though

21:11:55 mircea_popescu: no *coin or wallet* will ever solve the ussr-ness of the usa

21:11:59 ThickAsThieves: so taaki is obv a terrorist

21:12:06 asciilifeform: people are obsessed with technical 'solutions' because they cannot afford the actual working solution (suitcase, airplane, new passport)

21:12:31 mircea_popescu: that doesn't make them less of a waste of, presumably, valuable brain gasoline.

21:12:41 asciilifeform: aye

21:12:56 asciilifeform: but go tell the mortally ill fellow to renounce the snake oil

21:13:01 asciilifeform: he'll drink whatever.

21:13:03 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654861.0

21:13:03 assbot: Crypto Kidz Digital Trading Cards

21:13:11 fluffypony: how come mircea_popescu doesn't have one?

21:13:23 ThickAsThieves: that reminds me

21:13:26 mircea_popescu: i r just saying so it's said. not intending to persuade.

21:13:31 ThickAsThieves: i was thinking of making a bitcoin comic

21:13:36 ThickAsThieves: if i can make the time

21:13:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i didn't have the time to log into rift even past two weeks

21:13:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06380017 = 0.7656 BTC [-] {3}

21:13:54 ThickAsThieves: basically illustrating the hostory of our window into bitcoin

21:13:55 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wasn't nubbins` in the same boat ?

21:14:10 ThickAsThieves: maybe i dunno\

21:14:21 mircea_popescu: aite.

21:14:40 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: was it you who turned down working F.MPIF on account of living in usa ?

21:14:58 ThickAsThieves: yes

21:15:25 fluffypony: OH!

21:15:33 fluffypony: hanbot DID get a card!

21:15:34 fluffypony: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs15.postimg.org%2Fj6sihh89n%2Fmpoe1.gif&t=541&c=M38OPHGrb4N4Mg

21:15:48 *: asciilifeform counts the folks who told him he's condemned to the wagen

21:15:50 ThickAsThieves: nice!

21:16:13 fluffypony: ah

21:16:15 fluffypony: I found MP's

21:16:19 fluffypony: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.postimg.org%2Fg6lok055d%2Fm_p_1.gif&t=541&c=bWIntMOTcEjaiQ

21:16:19 asciilifeform: fluffypony: lol, that's from my voyage photo set, isn't it

21:16:22 fluffypony: just had to scroll down

21:16:29 fluffypony: asciilifeform: yes I recognise the same

21:16:41 mircea_popescu: ahaha what, she's a dragon nao ?!

21:16:47 ThickAsThieves: that is a pretty awesome card mp

21:16:51 ThickAsThieves: you should be proud

21:16:59 fluffypony: yeah

21:17:02 fluffypony: you got Super Hero

21:17:09 mircea_popescu: doesn't it need like damage or something ?

21:17:14 mircea_popescu: perhaps i misunderstand this game

21:17:25 ThickAsThieves: i love how the graphics are so shitty

21:17:49 kakobrekla: yup, great stuff

21:17:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't shoot.

21:18:14 kakobrekla: wonder if nubbins can print those

21:18:30 fluffypony: res is too low I think

21:18:39 ThickAsThieves: itd be a horrible job for him

21:18:48 ThickAsThieves: many designs, low qty

21:19:03 mircea_popescu: omfg log end!

21:19:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeagh, he can print them on rice beads

21:19:16 asciilifeform: original photo: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri2.jpg

21:19:18 ThickAsThieves: actually, i could probably make a set pretty cheaply

21:19:58 mircea_popescu: actually a pretty good pic of her huh, she's like the mother of disdain

21:20:32 asciilifeform: just about everyone i showed the pics to, for some reason... wanted that one.

21:20:42 kakobrekla: 15k domains guy know all about bitcoin guy is missing :(

21:20:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly you know a buncha subbies.

21:21:03 asciilifeform: lol

21:21:08 ThickAsThieves: i'm pricing it

21:21:51 ThickAsThieves: it'd be $17 per design to do 100 double-sided UV coated trading cards

21:22:01 ThickAsThieves: plus time to set up all the files

21:22:17 asciilifeform: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7015/6691171311_00f13b9524.jpg

21:22:37 kakobrekla: can you play that?

21:23:06 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they're perfectly normal playing cards

21:23:38 kakobrekla: what are the rules?

21:23:57 asciilifeform: playing cards. you can play traditional games with them.

21:24:07 kakobrekla: a.

21:25:29 kakobrekla: i remember from childhood, sets of cards that were single, unique game sets

21:26:09 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they have these in usa. with the added twist that the 'official' rules change regularly, requiring purchase of 'fresh' decks

21:26:11 ThickAsThieves: like UNO

21:26:12 asciilifeform: e.g. 'magic the gathering'

21:26:33 ThickAsThieves: ive played my fair share of mtg

21:26:36 kakobrekla: ah i never looked at mtg

21:27:31 mircea_popescu: similarly to <kakobrekla> i remember from childhood, sets of cards that were naked women

21:27:37 mircea_popescu: great for strip poker

21:35:40 benkay: wth is this

21:35:53 benkay: the label on this beer can is misaligned by a whole damn .125

21:36:14 benkay: i wonder if they're printed first and then turned into cans or what.

21:39:07 Mats_cd03: lol

21:39:30 benkay: ;;ident Mats_cd03

21:39:30 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Mats_cd03', with hostmask 'Mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egqqpqahqadiceog', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None

21:39:59 benkay: ah, that's how you're doing it.

21:40:05 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Mats_cd03

21:40:05 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Mats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Mats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mats_cd03 | Rated since: Tue May 13 15:07:43 2014

21:40:14 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot mats

21:40:15 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egqqpqahqadiceog. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mats | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mats | Rated since: Thu Jun 19 20:47:48 2014

21:40:25 benkay: ;;rate mats 1

21:40:26 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mats has been recorded.

21:41:18 mike_c: ;;rate mats 1

21:41:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mats has been recorded.

21:43:30 benkay: overwhelming rate tsunami

21:43:36 benkay: of ones

21:54:46 benkay: https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/salt/

21:55:03 benkay: http://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/

21:55:27 benkay: what am i looking at

21:55:34 benkay: private key generation over http?

21:55:52 benkay: with php for evaluation?

21:56:59 punkman: so I just put together something to test betting strategies on past bitbets and guess what, betting 0.1 on No on all resolved bets would result in a net gain of 9.7 BTC

21:57:13 punkman: (at 90k weight)

21:57:45 mike_c: median gain?

21:57:51 mike_c: or, median result?

21:58:46 punkman: let me check

22:01:21 punkman: mike_c, 0.0747

22:01:30 mike_c: net or gross?

22:01:42 punkman: net

22:01:54 mike_c: impressive.

22:02:50 punkman: I'm just looking at bets with result = No

22:03:40 punkman: total net gain is 36.3 BTC, then I subtracted 26.6 BTC that I would need for the 266 bets that had result = Yes

22:07:36 punkman: 0.1 is the magic number, 0.2 leaves you with only ~4 BTC net gain

22:10:25 punkman: 0.08 on everything also gives ~10 BTC, 0.05 gives 8.5 BTC

22:12:31 kakobrekla: 0.1 on all resolved would mean like 75btc

22:13:08 kakobrekla: 9.7 btc on top is over 10 percent

22:13:20 punkman: yep pretty good strategy eh

22:13:26 kakobrekla: short the world.

22:13:39 punkman: http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/ "Because the outcome is binary, if you bet randomly over a long enough horizon of bets you should break even (well, minus Bitbet’s 1% house edge)."

22:13:41 assbot: How to have fun as an intelligent person pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:13:43 punkman: so that's wrong ^

22:14:02 mike_c: how is betting no on everything random?

22:14:04 kakobrekla: well it could be that yes will pay for the next two years

22:14:09 kakobrekla: but

22:14:31 kakobrekla: given the bitcoin community state, id say that is unlikely

22:14:44 punkman: yes now that I've revealed this amazing strategy people will phrase propositions differently and ruin it

22:14:44 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:15:15 kakobrekla: you presume people read logs.

22:16:29 punkman: mike_c: my rng is really bad

22:16:48 punkman: but my point was that betting randomly will not break even

22:17:11 punkman: unless you are flipping a really bad coin

22:20:46 kakobrekla: wait until bitbet processes infinite amount of bets.

22:20:52 kakobrekla: er, resolves.

22:20:54 *: mthreat does this appear in the log

22:21:03 mthreat: appears so

22:21:12 kakobrekla: it appears it appears.

22:21:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/once-upon-a-time-i-wanted-to-draw-comic-books-for-a-living/

22:21:50 mthreat: if things go smoothly we'll have a #bitcoin-assets log search engine in a few hours

22:22:16 kakobrekla: o you beat me to it

22:22:17 kakobrekla: good job

22:22:37 mthreat: who runs log.bitcoin-assets ?

22:22:51 kakobrekla: some schmuck

22:23:50 mthreat: cool.. i'll hit up said schmuck once it's live, and maybe we can have whatever process adds to the log also send it to the search engine, so it'll be instantly searchable

22:24:57 kakobrekla: hm, can you connect to 0mq socket?

22:25:24 mthreat: i haven't before, but if it's easy to do from java, then yeah

22:25:35 kakobrekla: it prolly is.

22:25:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20971806 = 1.0486 BTC [+] {5}

22:25:56 kakobrekla: ill set that up at some point then

22:26:33 mthreat: ok, or i can set up an http endpoint where you can POST irc entries as they come in

22:27:09 kakobrekla: tbh i dont think its an issue if sync is done daily or so

22:27:21 kakobrekla: brb

22:27:49 mike_c: ^ agreed. pretty easy to search today's log.

22:28:05 mike_c: it's just looking for something said X weeks ago that's a pita

22:29:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.065 = 0.52 BTC [+]

22:30:02 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/scotus-finances-2013.pdf << lol, berkshire

22:31:23 asciilifeform: guess which scotus judge has debts.

22:31:26 asciilifeform: (1)

22:32:53 benkay: but !logsearch "foo" is going to be rad, mthreat, kakobrekla

22:33:50 mthreat: benkay: ya, who runs assbot?

22:34:02 mike_c: some schmuck

22:34:15 mike_c: ;;ident assbot

22:34:15 gribble: Nick 'assbot', with hostmask 'assbot!~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot', is not identified.

22:36:14 benkay: Sumyungai

22:37:02 benkay: ;;gettrust sumyungai

22:37:03 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user sumyungai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=sumyungai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sumyungai | Rated since: Thu May 16 01:23:02 2013

22:37:09 mike_c: who understands this: "ISIL stole $400 million in a raid on Mosul's central bank". what, it was stacked in the corner in bills?

22:37:27 mike_c: i dun understand

22:38:01 asciilifeform: mike_c: usg sent several $b in actual benjamins to iraq. i thought this was common knowledge.

22:38:13 ThickAsThieves: i saw a swallow-tailed kite recently, didnt even know birds that looked like it existed http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OLOeI6hddls/T1YL5sfdhbI/AAAAAAAAHKU/Bt_jCJmbbzM/s1600/swallow-tailed+kit%C2%A9LillianStokes.jpg

22:38:37 mike_c: asciilifeform: so you're saying they filled up some duffel bags and walked out with $400m? that must have been heavy.

22:39:46 mike_c: ;;calc 4000000 / 450

22:39:46 gribble: 8888.88888889

22:39:54 mike_c: 9,000 lbs of money..

22:40:14 asciilifeform: a benjamin weights ~1g

22:40:24 asciilifeform: (same as other us currency)

22:40:29 mike_c: yeah. 4m bills / 450 grams per lb

22:42:01 asciilifeform: 4000 kg, yes

22:42:07 asciilifeform: one dump truck.

22:45:35 mike_c: ok. that computes. seems like a logistical nightmare though. who guards the dump truck with $400m in it?

22:46:36 asciilifeform: a column of identical trucks.

22:47:30 *: asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't load the truck. but these are basics.

22:47:52 mike_c: somebody who is poor knows which truck has the money. i guess you take that guy out back after he drives the truck where it is going.

22:49:01 mike_c: and also, fu linux. g++: internal compiler error: Killed

22:50:23 benkay: could be worse

22:50:24 benkay: os x

22:55:13 mike_c: this is me today: http://widgetsandshit.com/teddziuba/2009/08/context-switches-are-bad-but-s.html

22:55:14 assbot: Context Switches are Bad, but Stack Traces are Worse

22:55:34 mike_c: you know, without the annoying manager.

23:02:07 benkay: python is a code smell

23:02:17 benkay: ^^ new favorite incendiary device

23:02:31 benkay: lob it at a bunch of programmers, watch the sparks

23:02:50 asciilifeform: wtf is a code smell

23:03:06 benkay: fuck if i know, but everyone gets riled up.

23:03:12 benkay: ;;google code smell

23:03:12 gribble: Code smell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_smell; Code Smells - Coding Horror: http://blog.codinghorror.com/code-smells/; CodeSmell - Martin Fowler: http://martinfowler.com/bliki/CodeSmell.html

23:03:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0649 = 0.7788 BTC [-]

23:03:31 *: asciilifeform guesses it is the odour of perl used in confined quarters

23:03:37 benkay: "Code smells are usually not bugs—they are not technically incorrect and do not currently prevent the program from functioning. Instead, they indicate weaknesses in design that may be slowing down development or increasing the risk of bugs or failures in the future."

23:03:41 asciilifeform: tends to make people... hurl

23:03:50 benkay: ouch.

23:13:09 mike_c: kakobrekla: you know bitcoind apparently takes in amounts in fucking btc, not satoshis? you probably knew this. this is retarded.

23:13:22 mike_c: news flash: bitcoind sucks.

23:13:23 kakobrekla: yes

23:13:48 kakobrekla: at least it can handle sci notation

23:14:09 kakobrekla: or at least did.

23:16:42 benkay: working with bitcoin stuff makes me want types in a bad way

23:39:10 TheNewDeal: bc,stats

23:39:20 TheNewDeal: bc,,stats

23:40:21 benkay: ;;bc,stats

23:40:24 gribble: Current Blocks: 306914 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1533 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15853327045.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.75846

23:40:27 benkay: ;)

23:40:42 Mats_cd03: hue

23:41:10 Mats_cd03: c wut i did thar?

23:41:36 benkay: wut u doon

23:41:51 benkay: dis ain't 4chn breh

23:42:38 Mats_cd03: har

23:42:44 TheNewDeal: thought I was one on one with gribble there

23:42:52 Mats_cd03: assets search engine? already exists

23:42:58 Mats_cd03: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com dongs

23:42:58 gribble: NEXT: 10-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2014&bots=true; NEXT: 24-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2014&bots=true; NEXT: 24-06-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2013&bots=true

23:43:10 Mats_cd03: even works in channel, how nice is that?

23:43:44 benkay: oh c'mon let mthreat be useful

23:43:52 benkay: quit pissing in errybody cheerios

23:44:11 Mats_cd03: my life sux wut m i gonna do besides criticize people

23:44:59 benkay: dunno boss maybe learn haskell?

23:45:11 Mats_cd03: haskell is fucking gay

23:45:49 TheNewDeal: wooooh there. I've seen haskell fuck the hottest chicks

23:46:15 Mats_cd03: my year long vacation from employment is about to end

23:46:35 TheNewDeal: oooh I pulled a 6 month stint last year

23:46:36 Mats_cd03: time to apply to be an it slave

23:46:49 Mats_cd03: anyone want to buy me a nice collar?

23:47:19 TheNewDeal: peraps

23:47:49 benkay: you gotta earn those

23:47:50 TheNewDeal: how do I know it's not going to end up with hookers and blow though?

23:48:09 mthreat: haskell has a purpose ya know. at UT Austin it (was) used as a freshman weed-out class.

23:48:20 mike_c: so, g++ was crashing because not enough memory. it couldn't just tell me that? have to get retarded cryptic error message cuz it ran out of memory?

23:48:34 benkay: Mats_cd03: what kinda IT do you do?

23:49:13 benkay: mike_c: you could be trying to run Jira yourself on the JVM. "not too little memory, not too much. just...right."

23:49:47 benkay: i suspect when one pays for hosted jira someone is staring at htop and intervening manually.

23:49:54 Mats_cd03: i administered win machines and a few linux boxes for the nerds in the clean room at my last IT job

23:50:04 Mats_cd03: along with misc work that comes with being lowest tier monkey in dept

23:50:17 mike_c: benkay: ugh. sounds worth paying for.

23:50:32 Mats_cd03: im learning puppet so perhaps i can buy myself a nice collar

23:51:46 benkay: if you make pilgrimage to puppet hq make sure you ping me - beers on my tab

23:52:03 Mats_cd03: i spent most of the last year doing firmware haxn in hopes id be good enough to apply for like jobs

23:52:14 Mats_cd03: no such luck...

23:52:29 TheNewDeal: holy shit. Tesla was at 30$ last year?

23:52:35 benkay: mhm.

23:52:41 benkay: slt.

23:52:47 Mats_cd03: thanks qt

23:53:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.065 = 0.52 BTC [+]

23:53:46 benkay: QE, d'ya mean?

23:53:58 Mats_cd03: huh

23:54:53 benkay: 30 -> 229: it's gotta be Quantitative Easing

23:56:27 benkay: whats the qt you're talking about - not the UI kit?

23:56:41 Mats_cd03: im sayn youre a cutie for offering a drink

23:56:49 Mats_cd03: now im gay

23:56:55 TheNewDeal: hahaha

23:57:08 TheNewDeal: QE is definitely pumping the stocks at the moment

23:57:45 benkay: it's been a queer day, Mats_cd03 - it's not your fault.

23:57:51 benkay: must be the stars.

23:59:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06424997 = 0.514 BTC [+] {4}