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00:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0639186 = 0.6392 BTC [-] {3}

00:01:23 Mats_cd03: people are unreasonable when it comes to musk

00:01:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06373112 = 0.8285 BTC [-] {3}

00:01:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1025 @ 0.0008 = 0.82 BTC [-]

00:01:42 benkay: they just get a whiff and *blammmo* can't keep 'em off me

00:02:03 Mats_cd03: you'd think he was jesus preparing to take the believers to live on mars

00:02:47 Mats_cd03: from the way people pile on TSLA

00:03:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.06340475 = 1.3315 BTC [-] {4}

00:03:39 TheNewDeal: hahaha

00:03:54 TheNewDeal: benkay totally confused me for a second there

00:04:55 TheNewDeal: imagine if he let people purchase his cars with bitcoin

00:05:01 TheNewDeal: reddit would go craaazy

00:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.0610754 = 1.7101 BTC [-] {4}

00:05:32 benkay: and nothing would change.

00:05:48 benkay: anyone with the btc to lay on a tesla can lay the cash on it, and probably more easily.

00:05:51 kakobrekla: afaik you can buy tesla with btc (buttstamp guys didit)

00:06:10 benkay: huh

00:06:23 TheNewDeal: did reddit go crazy?!?

00:06:24 benkay: i guess that's what you get when you sell directly - the freedom to take whatever

00:06:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06006885 = 1.9222 BTC [-] {3}

00:06:40 Mats_cd03: in practical terms it ends up converted to fiat anyway

00:06:53 kakobrekla: http://cdn.kme.si/public/images-cache/640xX/2013/12/18/36025dbe8663ff565475ac75d251530e/52b1bf4763e1f/36025dbe8663ff565475ac75d251530e.jpeg

00:06:55 kakobrekla: there ya go

00:07:24 TheNewDeal: http://mashable.com/2013/12/09/tesla-bitcoin/ this dude bought it for 91.4 BTC. Probably could return it for just as much right now

00:07:24 assbot: Man Buys $103K Tesla Model S With Bitcoin

00:07:27 Mats_cd03: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/09/tesla-model-s-bitcoin-purchase-false/

00:07:29 assbot: Tesla not bought with Bitcoin currency after all? - Autoblog

00:07:38 Mats_cd03: TheNewDeal: ^

00:07:45 benkay: wow there's a fucking hack

00:07:49 benkay: buy a tesla with btc

00:07:52 benkay: let it depreciate

00:07:56 benkay: recoup btc

00:07:59 Mats_cd03: you think dealerships have the freedom to hold btc?

00:08:01 *: kakobrekla paid 500btc for his golf cart

00:08:14 Mats_cd03: they get fucking bent over by manufacturers, mate

00:08:19 TheNewDeal: I don't think the dealeship would allow your to return it for the same amount of btc

00:08:53 benkay: hang on i may be a few too beers deep to keep track of my +/- axes

00:09:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10675 @ 0.00079982 = 8.5381 BTC [-]

00:09:37 benkay: buy car, btc appreciates, car depreciates, get fucked.

00:10:27 TheNewDeal: yes but this would have been a different situation, as bitcoin was $1000+ at the time

00:11:38 BingoBoingo: mike_c: This is a troubling increase in hash

00:11:48 benkay: TheNewDeal: mhm.

00:12:21 mike_c: yeah, we lose. it's ok, we had good odds.

00:12:28 TheNewDeal: last two changes effed you guys

00:12:44 TheNewDeal: I guess the 12.44 wasn't that bad

00:12:51 TheNewDeal: this current potential change and the last

00:15:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2505 @ 0.00080059 = 2.0055 BTC [+]

00:17:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0600106 = 0.6001 BTC [+] {4}

00:19:29 TheNewDeal: I wouldn't mind if the hash jumped off a cliff right now

00:19:38 TheNewDeal: or took a big stumble

00:20:18 TheNewDeal: tried to make a little hedge bet on with the next change and it backfired in my face

00:20:40 benkay: don't bet against diff, boss

00:21:10 TheNewDeal: why does everyone say that?

00:21:43 TheNewDeal: part of the bet requires an actual decent estimate on what the diff will be at that point

00:23:56 benkay: hey nerds redis or memcached?

00:24:59 punkman: redis has more useful data structures

00:27:24 benkay: decision made thank you punkman

00:28:26 punkman: benkay: maybe of interest: http://aphyr.com/posts/307-call-me-maybe-redis-redux

00:28:27 assbot: Call me maybe: Redis redux

00:31:15 benkay: thanks again punkman

00:31:33 benkay: i'm not facing lots of writes but rather reads

00:31:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2780 @ 0.00080059 = 2.2256 BTC [+]

00:32:07 punkman: guy's doing some good there with that Jepsen thing

00:32:14 punkman: *some good work

00:34:00 benkay: aaaand i may not even use a cacheing layer at the end of the day

00:35:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06491932 = 0.9738 BTC [-] {4}

00:36:09 TheNewDeal: wondering how many food stamps have been purchased with bitcoin

00:39:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9645 @ 0.00080333 = 7.7481 BTC [+] {2}

00:40:32 Mats_cd03: what universe do you live in

00:43:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079845 = 3.2736 BTC [-]

00:44:42 TheNewDeal: it was a joooke dude

00:45:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06209101 = 1.366 BTC [-] {6}

00:46:18 moiety: amiga?

00:47:38 benkay: hola aiga

00:47:39 benkay: amiga

00:48:04 moiety: hola!

00:48:51 moiety: firefox just lost five pieces of work that ive been doing for past two days, so pissed off

00:49:59 moiety: well not really pissed off, but it wasnt fun. how are you benkay?

00:52:25 benkay: brutal, bruja

00:52:34 benkay: i'm well

00:52:50 benkay: doing some exploratory hacking. it's coming along nicely.

00:53:03 moiety: sounds interesting

00:53:49 benkay: i'm sure you'll see something about it before i die

00:53:57 benkay: but also probably after the cardano ships

00:56:56 moiety: not the smallest window of time XD but i'll wait patiently :]

00:57:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06 = 0.66 BTC [+]

00:58:55 benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/

00:58:55 assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (96%) on Yes, 0.05 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week| weight: 85`913 (100`000 to 1)

00:59:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06 = 1.68 BTC [+]

01:00:02 benkay: TheNewDeal: that TSLA bet is interesting - aren't we p.close to 250 already?

01:00:41 mike_c: TheNewDeal: everyone says that because 1) you can't draw a line from previous diff changes to future (see moore's law), and 2) despite this it just keeps marching up.

01:01:29 benkay: lol ya diff is watching bitbet just to fuck people who bet against it

01:01:40 TheNewDeal: mike_c , what I'm saying is that some people don't know how to calculate a good difficulty

01:01:41 mike_c: diff is mean-spirited asshole.

01:02:04 TheNewDeal: April, May, and :June were all Nos

01:03:44 mike_c: ok, so with your superior prognostication, what weight did you get on the may bet?

01:03:45 TheNewDeal: guess it was just april and may

01:04:31 TheNewDeal: never said I had superior prognostication

01:04:48 mike_c: hehe. it was implied by "some people can't calculate"

01:04:48 TheNewDeal: I bet at the end of march

01:04:53 TheNewDeal: bet was started at the end of january

01:05:26 TheNewDeal: here's the thing

01:05:29 mike_c: k. betting that difficulty won't double in a month is not "betting against diff"

01:05:43 TheNewDeal: The majority of those that bet Yes on May bet early

01:05:48 TheNewDeal: when it's much harder to tell

01:06:17 TheNewDeal: regardless

01:06:58 TheNewDeal: look at the majority of bets there

01:07:04 TheNewDeal: not just my late bet

01:07:10 TheNewDeal: I'm typically a conservative better

01:07:23 mike_c: the majority were late when it was obvious.

01:07:26 TheNewDeal: I would rather earn a sure, small portion, versus risk a lot

01:07:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14372 @ 0.00080006 = 11.4985 BTC [+]

01:08:14 TheNewDeal: after 84'000 weight, there were only 2 Yes bets

01:08:26 mike_c: all i'm saying is, if you think you have an edge, whip up some IDIFF.SEP contracts.

01:08:28 TheNewDeal: and those people were probably just looking at pot odds

01:08:40 TheNewDeal: I don't have the capital to trade on mpoe

01:08:50 TheNewDeal: would love to, but just not my reality

01:08:51 mike_c: coinbr is full featured these days.

01:09:15 TheNewDeal: staying far from coinbr for the time being

01:09:22 TheNewDeal: no offense, just not my cup of tea

01:09:25 mike_c: why?

01:09:43 TheNewDeal: I trading what I own and owning what I trade

01:09:47 TheNewDeal: i like *

01:09:59 mike_c: you think coinbr is too much counterparty risk?

01:10:15 mike_c: ;;gettrust TheNewDeal jurov

01:10:16 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012

01:10:27 TheNewDeal: I have no problems with jurov

01:11:03 mike_c: i'm not trying to bust balls, i'm honestly curious.

01:11:29 TheNewDeal: let me throw out a hypothetical here

01:11:49 TheNewDeal: let's say I am comfortable investing 10 BTC through coinbr ( I'm not)

01:12:05 TheNewDeal: to me, a healthy return over one year (in BTC) would be 10%

01:12:15 TheNewDeal: that makes 11 BTC

01:12:27 TheNewDeal: subtract account management fees, and thats 10.76

01:12:44 mike_c: ok, i'm with you

01:13:09 TheNewDeal: with NO withdrawls, that has just taken 1/4 of my profits over a year

01:14:45 mike_c: ok. so point #1, you think it's too expensive. but why wouldn't you be comfortable putting in 10 btc?

01:14:57 TheNewDeal: that's over 1/2 of my ownership

01:15:06 TheNewDeal: not an early adopter

01:15:15 mike_c: but you would be comfortable putting that much on bitbet?

01:15:20 TheNewDeal: most definitely

01:15:21 TheNewDeal: for instance

01:15:43 TheNewDeal: if I put down 10 BTC on this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/

01:15:43 assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (15%) on Yes, 415.18 B (85%) on No | closing in 5 months 22 hours | weight: 42`696 (100`000 to 1)

01:15:54 TheNewDeal: the return is sitting at ~9% over a 5 month period

01:16:00 TheNewDeal: and it's a hedge

01:16:13 mike_c: interesting. jurov, you need more WoT :)

01:16:21 TheNewDeal: it has nothing to do with trust

01:16:34 mike_c: well, it does if you're comfortable putting 10 btc in bitbet and not coinbr

01:16:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9528 @ 0.00080251 = 7.6463 BTC [+]

01:17:12 TheNewDeal: coinbr is restricted to MPOE stocks, and I'm very unfamiliar with them compared to those who trade

01:17:23 TheNewDeal: on bitbet, I can pick and choose what I feel comfortable with

01:17:45 mike_c: ok. lemme ask this then. if you thought you could get a 20% return on coinbr in a year, would you invest 10 btc?

01:18:22 TheNewDeal: perhaps less

01:19:25 TheNewDeal: what I would really like to do is start off with 2 or so BTC until I feel comfortable with it

01:19:29 TheNewDeal: but that would be a waste of money

01:20:05 mike_c: how would you feel if the monthly fee were lower and the trading fees higher?

01:20:35 TheNewDeal: dislike

01:20:50 mike_c: well.. something's gotta cost. brokers aren't free.

01:21:00 TheNewDeal: I would prefer that he were like a hedge fund manager, making % off your winnings

01:21:16 mike_c: hm. hedge fund managers get a fee too.

01:21:24 mike_c: besides performance fees

01:21:34 kakobrekla: depends.

01:21:36 kakobrekla: :D

01:21:36 TheNewDeal: usually is a tiny percentage of what they manage

01:21:37 punkman: tweaked bitbet strategy: 10 BTC for 500x 0.02 bets, net gain 3.92 BTC

01:22:03 TheNewDeal: punkman, have you done this successfully?

01:22:14 punkman: I think I will try

01:22:20 punkman: just testing over past bets

01:22:34 mike_c: except kako, who won't take any money unless he thinks he earns it (very un-hedge fund like)

01:22:52 kakobrekla: lol, less scammy.

01:26:07 TheNewDeal: the thing I also like about bitbet is that you can pick off bets that are almost for sure winners, and look for a certain return

01:26:17 moiety: nothing wrong with that, i'm same

01:26:37 mike_c: right up until you're wrong :)

01:27:39 moiety: how can you be wrong wanting to earn your money XD

01:27:39 punkman: well if this retarded strategy can do 46% I think I got some margin for error

01:28:04 TheNewDeal: that doesnt make sense to me

01:28:13 TheNewDeal: arent you just picking and choosing past bets that would make money?

01:28:18 punkman: no

01:28:23 TheNewDeal: you're betting on everything?

01:28:26 kakobrekla: 46% what ?

01:28:45 punkman: 10.16 BTC in, net gain 4.59 BTC

01:28:52 punkman: betting on no, skipping certain bets

01:28:58 TheNewDeal: lol

01:29:02 TheNewDeal: how would you know which to skip?

01:29:11 mike_c: punkman: you should look into some of the theory about backtesting. like, you can't use the same data you develop your hypothesis on to test your strategy.

01:29:33 kakobrekla: yeap

01:29:39 kakobrekla: well you can

01:29:44 kakobrekla: but it will be shit prolly.

01:29:51 mike_c: heh, yes. "can't" is a strong word.

01:29:54 kakobrekla: :D

01:33:12 TheNewDeal: is there a minimum for password protected bets?

01:33:24 mike_c: TheNewDeal: last comment from me, i'm really not trying to sell you. But that 'tiny percentage' you were talking about from hedge fund managers is usually 2%. which is the same fee as coinbr in your 10 BTC example.

01:34:10 TheNewDeal: 2% is more like a fee for an index fund

01:34:30 kakobrekla: the retarded standard is 2/20

01:34:53 TheNewDeal: 2% fee and 20% of profit?

01:35:12 kakobrekla: yes 2% mgmt fee, 20 profit allocation

01:35:35 *: kakobrekla will burn your money for free.

01:35:37 TheNewDeal: mike_c if you read what I said, I told you that I was NOT comfortable risking 10 BTC on coinbr/mpoe

01:35:45 TheNewDeal: I said something more like 2 BTC to begin with

01:35:54 mike_c: yup, i got that. just talking about the fees.

01:36:13 TheNewDeal: ;;calc .02*12/2

01:36:14 gribble: 0.12

01:36:14 punkman: mike_c, wanna make some synthetic data for testing?

01:37:03 TheNewDeal: punkman, are you betting both sides, or are you just picking winners :p

01:37:07 mike_c: punkman: you can cut up the data you have into pieces. but I really don't think there's enough for much confidence in results.

01:37:49 mike_c: strategy like MPIF's is really based more on a belief about how the system works rather than statistical analysis.

01:38:59 mike_c: but even that was better tested. hypothesis was formed before the analysis, not as a result of the analysis.

01:40:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 57 @ 0.02021088 = 1.152 BTC [-] {4}

01:41:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00080649 = 12.7829 BTC [+]

01:43:03 TheNewDeal: mike_c my reason against coinbr is more of opportunity cost versus harboring any malice against the site or jurov

01:43:58 mike_c: understood. i just see you as a good potential customer for coinbr, so I was trying to dig into why you were hesitant. i think i get it.

01:44:58 TheNewDeal: quiz question. If I were on coinbr, and then bought a MPOE account, what would he charge to transfer shares

01:45:22 mike_c: i believe withdrawal/asset transfers are the same

01:45:31 TheNewDeal: gotcha

01:46:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.01969756 = 0.65 BTC [-] {5}

01:51:44 TheNewDeal: okay so I'm reading jurov's writeup on x.diff

01:52:19 TheNewDeal: I never knew about the collateral cap on payout

01:55:18 ThickAsThieves: a couple times a year jurov and i give mp a hard time about x.diff design

01:55:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.06499999 = 4.55 BTC [+] {2}

01:55:52 TheNewDeal: I'm really confused tho

01:56:21 TheNewDeal: where's the money to be made for those that mkfut ?

01:56:45 ThickAsThieves: fwiw, if that TSLA bitbet gets approved, i'll play

01:56:59 TheNewDeal: which side will you bet :D

01:57:10 ThickAsThieves: i'd need to chart it more

01:57:19 ThickAsThieves: i'd say yes probly

01:57:21 []bot: Bet created: "Contador wins Tour De France" http://bitbet.us/bet/952/

01:57:30 TheNewDeal: Dec 14 option for $250 is selling for a premium of 18$

01:57:32 ThickAsThieves: i have a top around there though

01:58:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0185 = 0.925 BTC [+]

01:59:21 decimation: "mircea_popescu: well, for one if you fly high enough you don't actually have to report" << it's my understanding that you must file with IFR, which is generally high flight. Flying low in clear air (VFR) would be the ticket.

01:59:49 decimation: but even then, "they" are tracking you: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

01:59:49 assbot: How it works - Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!

02:00:12 decimation: MLAT In some regions with coverage from several FR24-receivers we also calculate positions of aircraft with the help of Multilateration (MLAT), by using a method known as Time Difference of Arrival (TDOA). ... That means that MLAT coverage can only be achieved above about 10000 feet as the probability that signal can be received by four or more receivers increases with increased altitude.

02:00:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [+] {3}

02:01:19 []bot: Bet created: "True Detective to win Drama Emmy" http://bitbet.us/bet/953/

02:01:23 decimation: except... " Blocking For security and privacy reasons information about some aircraft is limited or blocked." I wonder how you get into their wot?

02:02:08 TheNewDeal: if all flights were tracked so damn well at least I would have to wake up to another fucking Flight 379 update

02:02:21 decimation: you mean 370?

02:02:25 TheNewDeal: yes

02:02:29 TheNewDeal: -9

02:02:53 decimation: well, the data these guys use comes from "volunteers" who operate receivers attached to internet connection

02:03:03 decimation: not many of them in turd world countries or the ocean...

02:03:35 TheNewDeal: I will happily trade my constant position location as long as I don't have to have another one of those updates. Do you hear me Big Brother? You've finally won

02:03:55 TheNewDeal: just quit the tortute already

02:04:57 decimation: if you really want to move about mostly unbothered, I suggest a submarine. Or walk.

02:07:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3717 @ 0.00080481 = 2.9915 BTC [-]

02:10:43 decimation: re: flew plane into IRS building: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack

02:10:43 assbot: 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:11:31 TheNewDeal: holy shit! only two people died?

02:11:33 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin VC investments over $300 million in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/954/

02:12:52 decimation: "Introduced by Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Section 1706 added a subsection (d) to Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978, which removed "safe harbor" exception for independent contractor classification (which at the time avoided payroll taxes) for workers such as engineers, designers, drafters, computer professionals, and "similarly skilled" workers."

02:14:14 decimation: Congress took away the presumption that engineers can work as independent contractors, thus reducing their ability to be self employed.

02:15:23 decimation: whereas real estate agents have a "very special tax status" http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/real-estate-agent-special-classification-rules-for-independent-contractor-status.html

02:15:26 assbot: Real Estate Agent Special Classification Rules For Independent Contractor Status | Nolo.com

02:15:47 decimation: they are automatically considered to be independent contractors even when employed and given a salary.

02:16:56 []bot: Bet created: "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/955/

02:18:18 TheNewDeal: here it is punkman, begin your hypothesis test on a fresh bet

02:19:27 decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs?

02:20:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27638 @ 0.00080803 = 22.3323 BTC [+] {3}

02:26:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.06799962 = 1.836 BTC [+] {2}

02:27:11 decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/19/markets-precious-idUSL4N0P025U20140619

02:27:11 assbot: PRECIOUS-Gold surges 3 pct in 'frantic' short covering after Fed| Reuters

02:27:36 decimation: presumably this is also good news for those long bitcoin

02:30:45 decimation: asciilifeform - I was spec'ing some Intel chips today, and realized that their marketing strategy (for all segments) relies on maximally obfuscating the functionality of their products

02:31:11 TheNewDeal: hahahah

02:31:30 TheNewDeal: and somehow they continue to make a profit...

02:32:18 decimation: well, a large chunk of "computer" "purchasers" have no idea what the hell they are buying, so I can see why they would do it

02:32:43 decimation: it's hard to convince even the dumbest of the masses to pay more for less ... unless they don't know they are buying

02:33:01 TheNewDeal: I would assume corportations buy more computers than people though

02:33:15 TheNewDeal: doesn't necessarily negate your point, but

02:33:47 decimation: a big chunk of corporate 'buyers' would really be happy with a slightly updated wang word processor

02:35:13 decimation: I use the scare quotes for "buyer" because I'm not sure the word applies to someone giving money to someone in exchange for something they don't understand

02:35:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.068 = 0.952 BTC [+]

02:36:47 TheNewDeal: you're taking most of the buyers out of the world economy with that statement

02:37:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00080678 = 24.2034 BTC [-] {2}

02:37:01 decimation: indeed.

02:37:08 moiety: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/google-unveils-independent-fork-of-openssl-called-boringssl/

02:37:09 assbot: Google unveils independent fork of OpenSSL called BoringSSL | Ars Technica

02:40:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00080481 = 1.9315 BTC [-]

02:42:35 mike_c: dig @ seeds.therealaltcoin.org

02:42:48 mike_c: ^ altcoin-seeder seems to be working

02:47:21 mike_c: so ThickAsThieves, if you put a nameserver record in your DNS (NS, not an A record) pointing seeds.therealaltcoin.org at the above IP address, we should have seeding.

02:48:42 mike_c: source code will have to be updated too obv, to add seeds.therealtco.org to the inital seed list.

02:52:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.01858999 = 1.0039 BTC [+]

02:53:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11888 @ 0.00080424 = 9.5608 BTC [-] {3}

02:55:52 TheNewDeal: what happens to collateral when one sells an xdiff?

02:57:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.0008095 = 19.0637 BTC [+] {2}

02:58:29 kakobrekla: just wanna say before it go, mthreats search === awesome

03:02:09 decimation: are you going to make the logs searchable with his software?

03:04:25 mthreat: yep

03:05:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00080996 = 3.0374 BTC [+]

03:07:27 decimation: mthreat your highest google result is the bbs interview - I like your model M keyboard in the background

03:11:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00080999 = 5.3054 BTC [+]

03:14:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.068 = 1.36 BTC [+]

03:22:20 mthreat: decimation: ya that loud ass keyboard

03:26:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00080353 = 4.2989 BTC [-]

03:29:04 mthreat: !up napedia

03:30:50 mthreat: !up napedia

03:43:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8234 @ 0.00080353 = 6.6163 BTC [-]

03:51:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06829404 = 1.161 BTC [+] {5}

03:56:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00080651 = 18.3884 BTC [+] {2}

04:04:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06899998 = 0.966 BTC [+] {2}

04:11:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+]

04:12:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12897 @ 0.00080335 = 10.3608 BTC [-] {2}

04:18:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1102 @ 0.00080273 = 0.8846 BTC [-]

04:28:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+]

04:53:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00080215 = 9.7862 BTC [-]

05:04:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00080208 = 3.4489 BTC [-] {2}

05:07:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3962 @ 0.00080243 = 3.1792 BTC [+]

05:14:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17479 @ 0.00080243 = 14.0257 BTC [+]

05:17:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06517444 = 1.1731 BTC [-] {4}

05:46:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06897776 = 0.9657 BTC [+] {4}

05:49:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.0185888 = 0.7807 BTC [-]

06:03:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18664 @ 0.00080393 = 15.0045 BTC [+] {2}

06:12:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.0008023 = 16.728 BTC [-] {2}

06:19:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3286 @ 0.00080231 = 2.6364 BTC [+]

06:22:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.03847462 = 0.6156 BTC [-]

06:23:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899998 = 0.69 BTC [+] {3}

06:30:08 Mats_cd03: white girl wasted

06:33:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00080203 = 4.0503 BTC [-]

06:36:03 xmj: moin

06:36:07 xmj: any SCUBA divers around?

06:39:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.069 = 3.657 BTC [+] {3}

07:02:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00079988 = 18.0773 BTC [-] {4}

07:08:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14660 @ 0.00079892 = 11.7122 BTC [-]

07:11:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00079892 = 11.3047 BTC [-]

07:21:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 74 @ 0.03847462 = 2.8471 BTC [-]

07:22:59 mircea_popescu: ah god orange juice

07:23:04 mircea_popescu: such a brilliant invention

07:28:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.06847623 = 2.876 BTC [-] {4}

07:38:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00079892 = 4.1144 BTC [-]

07:46:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26499 @ 0.00080247 = 21.2647 BTC [+] {2}

07:54:28 punkman: morning

07:58:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00079883 = 15.4574 BTC [-] {2}

08:00:37 mircea_popescu: hey

08:00:55 mircea_popescu: shit it's 5am

08:01:12 mircea_popescu: who the hell is still on origin time after a month in a different timezone i wish to know ?!

08:02:03 punkman: I don't think you were on .ro time even when you were in .ro

08:02:10 xmj: people too lazy to fix their /etc/localtime.

08:03:22 mircea_popescu: punkman hmm this is a point

08:03:42 mircea_popescu: tho i kinda tended to wake 11ish

08:03:45 mircea_popescu: which is what it's now

08:14:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/moar-haxxing-moar-haxxing-have-a-look-an-here-we-go/

08:24:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00080189 = 2.8066 BTC [+]

08:32:42 mircea_popescu: benkay: the label on this beer can is misaligned by a whole damn .125 << maybe it's so it reads right when you're drunk

08:33:41 cazalla: mircea_popescu: i forgot to add dogecoin creator jackson palmer to the list of .au scammers

08:34:12 mircea_popescu: what is it with you bunch of ex brtish convicts over there!!1

08:34:53 mircea_popescu: benkay: http://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/ << ok that's fuckign out there.

08:35:26 mircea_popescu: the sp[eed at which they spit the shit out, too.

08:35:35 mircea_popescu: urandom ?

08:37:10 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: short the world. << "the little bettor that said no"

08:38:53 mircea_popescu: mike_c: how is betting no on everything random? << how isn't it ?

08:38:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01673707 = 1.4896 BTC [-] {8}

08:39:42 mircea_popescu: mthreat: if things go smoothly we'll have a #bitcoin-assets log search engine in a few hours << o hey!

08:40:18 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: hm, can you connect to 0mq socket? << kako doesn't get enough sex so he's socketed all the things.

08:40:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 70 @ 0.02206642 = 1.5446 BTC [+] {6}

08:41:17 mircea_popescu: benkay: but !logsearch "foo" is going to be rad, mthreat, kakobrekla << defo, point of entire exercize.

08:41:38 mircea_popescu: mike_c: who understands this: "ISIL stole $400 million in a raid on Mosul's central bank". what, it was stacked in the corner in bills? << yes.

08:41:51 mircea_popescu: ro central bank has about a billion in shit in its central vault for instance.

08:42:11 mircea_popescu: these are precious metals, bearer bonds, various certs and other valuable paper

08:42:27 mircea_popescu: shitty middleeastern banks prolly keep usd/eur bills too

08:44:17 mircea_popescu: mike_c: somebody who is poor knows which truck has the money. i guess you take that guy out back after he drives the truck where it is going. << you fundamentally misunderstand revolutions.

08:44:24 mircea_popescu: nobody's stealing that shit, forget about it.

08:47:55 mircea_popescu: benkay << i can't believe the guy actually proposed an inability to remember wtf he's doing and why as a sort of intellectual manliness.

08:48:19 mircea_popescu: fuck you, if you don't recall why you're here you're red fucking riding hood here to meet the wolf, not a coder writing code.

08:48:47 mircea_popescu: "i am 12 and what is every option that i have explored ???"

08:49:09 punkman: stack trace is great for perspective

08:49:17 punkman: like maybe we need to tell root cause to fuck off

08:49:37 mircea_popescu: right.

08:49:39 mircea_popescu: "I'm compiling a new version of libxml, so I can get the Python parser working. I need to do that because LXML, the Python binding, would crash under heavy load when I used the system default version of libxml. I am using LXML because BeautifulSoup doesn't have support for XPath. I need to do XPath transforms against the input because the legacy system we interact with doesn't send well-formed XML. We tried to get the

08:49:39 mircea_popescu: vendor to fix it but they said 6 to 8 weeks for a patch, and our project deadline is sooner than that. I need to interface with the legacy system because even though the DBAs have ported things over to Oracle, they're still sorting things out and it's not reliable enough for me to make any meaningful progress. Fortunately, I've thought this through and abstracted the data subsystem well enough that I can drop-in repla

08:49:42 mircea_popescu: ce Oracle when it's ready, so long as the database sends some decent form of XML. Once I get this data subsystem done, I can finish the business logic, which attaches to the nonfunctional demo you love so much.

08:49:45 mircea_popescu: sounds pretty fine to me.

08:50:10 mircea_popescu: now, if the manager says something stupid now, like "why the fuck are you going for xpath you hipster, just do the transforms by hand" THEN poerhaps you got problems.

08:50:50 mircea_popescu: but odds are he might as well go "fuck this shit, we're dropping that vendor. standby"

08:51:13 mircea_popescu: if he's any good you get the rest of the day off and tomorrow you can start working on a whole new stack

08:54:46 mircea_popescu: http://devilsadvocate.biz/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/inside-out.gif << ThickAsThieves actually that doesn't look bad

08:55:52 mircea_popescu: mike_c: news flash: bitcoind sucks. << now trace to who wrote the sht in question.

08:57:38 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: assets search engine? already exists << no, it doesn't, because google is doing a shit job of indexing each log page, which my experts establish is because bad titling shceme, but rather than fixing that (as proposed about two weeks ago, it's in the logs, SEARCH FOR IT :D) and hjoping google fills in the holes (which experts say it never does once they're in, no matter what happens), a complete solution is m

08:57:39 mircea_popescu: uch preferable, esp as it's offered itself.

08:57:51 mircea_popescu: the point to searching the logs is to get binding negatives more than anything else.

08:59:19 mircea_popescu: benkay: you gotta earn those <<< bwahaha look who's up to date on his reading

09:00:21 mircea_popescu: mike_c: have to get retarded cryptic error message cuz it ran out of memory? << it doesn't know it ran out of memory, obviously.

09:01:25 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal:holy shit. Tesla was at 30$ last year? << ikr ? inflation!

09:05:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00079858 = 8.7045 BTC [-]

09:07:34 mircea_popescu: who da fuck is firedrops in the bash, http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=18

09:07:34 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

09:07:36 mircea_popescu: i lulz'd.

09:12:41 mircea_popescu: "We found out that by using a little program that Bitcoin uses, which is actually BitPay, we would have received US dollars," Pietro Frigerio, general manager of the dealership, says in the interview. "It's like if you come into the dealership and you want to buy a Lamborghini using gold bars, we would not accept it. So you'd go out, exchange it, and you'd come back to us. That was how it worked [with the Tesla and the

09:12:41 mircea_popescu: Bitcoins]."

09:12:43 mircea_popescu: awww.

09:13:14 mircea_popescu: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/09/tesla-model-s-bitcoin-purchase-false/

09:13:16 assbot: Tesla not bought with Bitcoin currency after all? - Autoblog

09:14:13 mircea_popescu: so i guess this is the end of bitpay's business model. getting redditards that hound fiat busiensses to "take bitcoin" to drive your parasitic business model only goes so far.

09:17:51 mircea_popescu: mike_c: diff is mean-spirited asshole. << aye!

09:19:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c: interesting. jurov, you need more WoT :) << that convo with thenewdeal was an eyepopper to me.

09:19:38 mircea_popescu: not saying he's wrong or anything, just wasn't expecting

09:21:16 mircea_popescu: punkman: tweaked bitbet strategy: 10 BTC for 500x 0.02 bets, net gain 3.92 BTC << course this is after you know all the results. ain't rearview mirror the best artefact, second only to the save game wand.

09:21:51 punkman: no, I the strategy doesn't use information it wouldn't have

09:21:58 mircea_popescu: moiety: how can you be wrong wanting to earn your money XD << he was talking to the "picking bets" line

09:22:10 mircea_popescu: punkman I, The Strategy ?

09:22:18 punkman: :P

09:22:39 mircea_popescu: what do you mean, "doesn't use information it wouldn't have" ?

09:23:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 398 @ 0.06999986 = 27.8599 BTC [+] {3}

09:23:59 punkman: like looking at final odds but betting at 90k weight

09:24:04 mircea_popescu: *: kakobrekla will burn your money for free. << looking at mpif on btcalpha this stands to scrutiny :D

09:24:22 punkman: but yeah of course I don't expect it to hold true for future bets

09:24:27 mircea_popescu: right.

09:24:39 mircea_popescu: so you're not looking at some classes of later info

09:24:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 201 @ 0.07 = 14.07 BTC [+] {3}

09:26:11 punkman: although bitbet rules I think favor the No strategy, the no double negatives thing

09:26:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c: but even that was better tested. hypothesis was formed before the analysis, not as a result of the analysis. << not to mention independently tested etc. more's ther point, mpif wants unalligned risks, which is 90% of thy that even makes sense

09:26:48 punkman: the hypothesis for no was not made by backtesting

09:27:09 mircea_popescu: punkman if you go by wordcount nos may be ahead, but if you go by the actual measure of things, ie, total BTC bet on no vs yes, yes prolly prevails

09:27:20 mircea_popescu: cause as mike_c says, diff is a mean spirited asshol

09:29:57 punkman: anyway, I just defenestrated wordpress, maybe I can haz blog nao

09:30:36 mircea_popescu: defenestrated = deleted in windows ?

09:31:10 mircea_popescu: motherfucker. every sink in this place is on a different drip period

09:31:16 punkman: lol

09:31:28 punkman: I'm gonna work on a non-retarded strategy, wanna bankroll punkbot perhaps?

09:32:11 mircea_popescu: not at the onset, but if you do well and hanbot sucks maybe i fire her and hire you instead

09:34:48 FabianB: $traded

09:34:49 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.BBET S.MPOE X.EUR

09:35:18 mircea_popescu: decimation: but even then, "they" are tracking you: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works << tracking a small flying object is no trivial task.

09:35:18 assbot: How it works - Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!

09:35:24 mircea_popescu: kinda why missiles are so useful.

09:36:55 punkman: mircea_popescu: no no I need hanbot as a signal :P

09:37:03 mircea_popescu: lol

09:38:48 mircea_popescu: decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs? <<< here's the thing : real estate agents are certified, and have to be bondend in many places, and have to follow best practices, and can and are put to the coals ifthey do not.

09:39:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it monkeys are insulated by law from the ill effects of their bullshit "work"

09:39:14 mircea_popescu: you can't have it both ways.

09:40:16 mircea_popescu: the day three quarters of san francisco loses its homes because of writing bad code, engineers and similarly "skilled" workers can has special irs treatment.

09:42:25 mircea_popescu: ;;rated mthreat

09:42:26 gribble: You rated user mthreat on Fri Jun 6 20:38:37 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: had coffee.

09:42:41 mircea_popescu: ;;rate mthreat 2 Awesome search ; coffee

09:42:43 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mthreat has changed from 1 to 2.

09:45:57 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> http://devilsadvocate.biz/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/inside-out.gif << ThickAsThieves actually that doesn't look bad /// the awkward part is i still have the art, it's in a custom acrylic frame i made with some nuts and bolts. It's this huge 4-foot ugly face me, collecting dust, facing the wall in my garage.

09:46:20 mircea_popescu: notrly that ugly.

09:46:25 mircea_popescu: moar like manly

09:47:24 mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, "men need to be a shade prettier than the devil gurning."

09:48:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00079875 = 16.2546 BTC [+] {3}

09:48:50 ThickAsThieves: TIL gurning

09:49:36 mircea_popescu: let it not be said -assets is uneducational.

09:50:12 ThickAsThieves: it's just a funny thing about self-portraits, they hang in no one's home

09:50:50 ThickAsThieves: probly a metaphor in there...

09:51:28 mircea_popescu: frida's are a fine exception

09:53:39 ThickAsThieves: confucius say, a self-portrait hangs in no one's home, unless it has a unibrow

09:53:44 mircea_popescu: lol

09:53:46 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

09:54:27 mircea_popescu: she also had a slight moustache

09:54:33 ThickAsThieves: indeed

09:56:20 ThickAsThieves: whoa MPOE broke 80

09:56:26 ThickAsThieves: such milk

09:57:35 mircea_popescu: i thought it was over 80 for a whil

09:57:36 mircea_popescu: e

09:58:00 mircea_popescu: o you mean the other way

09:59:08 ThickAsThieves: yep

09:59:21 ThickAsThieves: lacks drama obv

09:59:29 ThickAsThieves: time to stir the pot

10:01:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00080022 = 11.2831 BTC [+]

10:01:57 ThickAsThieves: icwutudidthar

10:04:58 mircea_popescu: !up mckmuze

10:08:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00080082 = 2.963 BTC [+]

10:10:04 ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats

10:10:07 gribble: Current Blocks: 306980 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1467 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15633250005.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.12373

10:12:51 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/19/5824336/google-s-quantum-computer-just-flunked-its-first-big-test

10:12:52 assbot: Googles quantum computer just flunked its first big test | The Verge

10:13:00 ThickAsThieves: no quantum for you

10:21:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8532 @ 0.00080082 = 6.8326 BTC [+]

10:32:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00079902 = 11.8654 BTC [-]

10:45:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00079902 = 5.3534 BTC [-]

10:52:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.06800545 = 3.7403 BTC [-] {8}

10:53:59 ThickAsThieves: Supreme Court rules software patents that cover 'abstract ideas' are invalid

10:54:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00080045 = 6.7238 BTC [+] {2}

10:54:45 ThickAsThieves: Alice attempted to prove that its patents were more than just an idea by pointing to the specific software steps that it had to carry out. But the court found that these steps weren't ultimately much more than "stating an abstract idea while adding the words 'apply it with a computer.'"

10:55:12 mircea_popescu: myeah.

10:58:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 98 @ 0.01650002 = 1.617 BTC [-] {5}

11:04:27 ThickAsThieves: Every bitcoin bubble peak has occurred during a new moon, the next new moon is on the June 27th, the SR USMS coin auction is on the 27th, the auction resolves the June 30th, professor bitcorn predicted Bitcoin would be $10 by mid-year.

11:04:54 ThickAsThieves: expect weather!

11:06:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12068 @ 0.00080194 = 9.6778 BTC [+] {2}

11:14:00 Namworld: Hail? Lightning? Tornadoes? Volcanic ash storm? I like those things.

11:14:18 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/supplemental-visual-aids-as-well-as-images-pictures-photographs-and-instagrams-y-con-queso/

11:14:19 Namworld: I like my sky ablaze: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/15/article-2539941-1AAF51B500000578-416_964x612.jpg

11:23:10 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "professor bitcoin"

11:25:54 punkman: *bitcorn

11:26:11 Namworld: By the name the individual selected, I would assume a pretentious moron?

11:26:48 punkman: ;;google professor bitcorn

11:26:49 gribble: Professor Bitcorn Countdown to $10: http://www.professorbitcorn.com/; Professor Bitcorn : Bitcoin - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1whr4i/professor_bitcorn/; Professor Bitcorn strikes...again : Bitcoin - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/221vse/professor_bitcorn_strikesagain/

11:27:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00080361 = 11.4113 BTC [+]

11:32:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4876 @ 0.00080361 = 3.9184 BTC [+]

11:55:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00080285 = 3.5325 BTC [-]

12:16:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00080236 = 7.7829 BTC [-] {2}

12:36:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.0007991 = 7.951 BTC [-] {2}

12:39:14 artifexd: I received a package sent to my address but addressed to a Mr. Art I. Fexd

12:39:20 artifexd: My first thought was Fexd is a fucked up last name for my neighbor. I thought that because my neighbor's name is Art.

12:39:40 artifexd: Then... seconds later... OH! LOL!

12:39:41 ThickAsThieves: hehe

12:40:25 artifexd: And thus I report that nubbins` has indeed delivered on the #b-a shirt.

12:41:51 artifexd: ;;rate nubbins` 1 Does, in fact, print t-shirts. And damn nice quality at that.

12:41:52 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.

12:56:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00079897 = 7.5902 BTC [-] {2}

13:04:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06968 = 0.5574 BTC [+]

13:21:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16399 @ 0.00080124 = 13.1395 BTC [+]

13:30:05 mthreat: <+xmj> any SCUBA divers around? << yep, i do the SCUBA

13:34:48 nubbins`: artifexd :D

13:35:16 nubbins`: my wife, upon seeing the package i was mailing: "that's a fucked up last name"

13:36:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06968 = 0.6968 BTC [+]

13:38:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06968 = 0.9755 BTC [+]

13:42:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30660 @ 0.00080128 = 24.5672 BTC [+] {2}

13:45:13 Mats_cd03: rude

13:48:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00079895 = 18.8153 BTC [-]

13:56:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00080364 = 32.4671 BTC [+] {3}

14:04:00 moiety: happy caturday all

14:04:52 punkman: hey moiety

14:05:11 punkman: there's a cat with 4 kittens hiding in my yard

14:08:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3826 @ 0.00079823 = 3.054 BTC [-] {2}

14:09:13 moiety: aww punkman! i think you should bring them inside.....

14:11:51 moiety: are you near asciilifeform, punkman? he needs a kitten, he just hasn't fully realised it yet

14:12:00 xmj: mthreat: do you know if PADI Open Water Diver is any good?

14:12:29 mthreat: xmj: that's the one I did.. what do you mean - versus NAUI or what?

14:12:54 xmj: yep

14:13:26 xmj: I'll go with PADI by lack of knowledge and other options, are there any differences?

14:13:35 xmj: Estonia isn't -as- known for SCUBA diving yet :)

14:13:47 mthreat: ya.. I think either one is fine, but I've had no problem with PADI

14:14:09 mthreat: i'm not sure about differences, since I haven't done a NAUI class

14:16:25 xmj: cool

14:16:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00080395 = 1.0451 BTC [+] {2}

14:21:17 nubbins`: i did an introductory PADI course

14:21:18 nubbins`: fun stuff

14:21:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06986999 = 0.6987 BTC [+] {2}

14:33:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8645 @ 0.00079952 = 6.9119 BTC [-]

14:43:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5724 @ 0.00079952 = 4.5765 BTC [-]

15:13:21 decimation: mircea_popescu: "the day three quarters of san francisco loses its homes because of writing bad code, engineers and similarly "skilled" workers can has special irs treatment." << that's a really good point. bring back the Hammurabic code for engineers, programmers, bankers, etc.

15:22:10 decimation: although, I don't recall a lawsuit against realtors who "sold" homes to people who couldn't afford them

15:27:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11017 @ 0.00080257 = 8.8419 BTC [+] {2}

15:28:08 mircea_popescu: !up Pucilowski

15:30:21 decimation: apparently Russia was listening to our conversation about native electronics the other day: http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/736804

15:30:22 assbot: ITAR-TASS: Economy - Russia wants to replace US computer chips with local processors

15:30:58 mircea_popescu: lol wants. question is, can it.

15:32:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.00080471 = 0.684 BTC [+]

15:33:55 decimation: apparently there is "progress" in the winklevoss etf http://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitcoin-etf-inching-closer-to-reality-cm358963

15:33:55 assbot: Bitcoin ETF Inching Closer To Reality - NASDAQ.com

15:34:20 decimation: I'm not sure if the sec filing has been linked here http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514190365/d721187ds1a.htm

15:34:41 mircea_popescu: btw, did the derpage foundation have any comment as to ubuntu dropping bitcoin from 14.04?

15:34:47 mircea_popescu: or is that not the sort of thing they do.

15:40:33 decimation: " Using an exponential moving average and volume weighting of transaction data, Winkdex is derived from the transaction prices on electronic market places where exchange participants may first use fiat currency to trade, buy and sell bitcoins based on bid-ask trading (?Bitcoin Exchange?). "

15:41:33 mthreat: Behold, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/

15:41:34 assbot: #bitcoin-assets search

15:42:12 mircea_popescu: mthreat lettuce see.

15:42:35 mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urmom

15:42:35 assbot: urmom

15:42:57 decimation: that's really fast

15:43:27 mircea_popescu: mthreat you telling me under pain of per-jury that there's a page and a half of instances ands that's all ?

15:43:46 mircea_popescu: also how are they sorted ?

15:44:00 decimation: yeah, 'sort by date' would be useful

15:44:13 mthreat: right now they are ranked by TF*IDF (text relevance, based on term matches)

15:44:24 mthreat: like google, without the pagerank

15:44:40 mircea_popescu: add history as an optional i say

15:44:42 mthreat: ok, sort by date is easy

15:44:47 mircea_popescu: often we remember one exact word, and a timerange

15:45:02 mthreat: history?

15:47:49 decimation: well, even in this state it's 100x better than google

15:48:15 punkman: mthreat, nice, what's it using behind the scenes?

15:48:32 mthreat: searchify.com hosted search

15:48:33 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/wwAvQZy9 << tha's my list

15:48:33 assbot: Sep 11 21:36:04 <mircea_popescu>no fambly just urmom. Sep 11 23:49:19 <mircea_ - Pastebin.com

15:48:35 mircea_popescu: does it match ?

15:48:55 mircea_popescu: mthreat history, as in, list them by reverse-date

15:49:14 mircea_popescu: decimation agreed.

15:49:31 mthreat: well "urmomtc" won't match urmom (the stemmer isn't THAT smart)

15:49:39 mthreat: but urmom* will match

15:50:12 mircea_popescu: * matches alphanum only?

15:50:23 mircea_popescu: or all nonspace ?

15:50:29 mthreat: foo* is a prefix search, matches any word beginning with "foo"

15:50:39 mircea_popescu: word in unix sense of the term ?

15:50:56 mircea_popescu: (is mircea_popescu a word or innit)

15:51:16 mthreat: I think mircea_popescu gets tokenized into "mircea" "popescu"

15:51:23 mircea_popescu: aha

15:51:49 mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urmom&gazelle

15:51:49 assbot: urmom

15:52:10 mircea_popescu: that didn't actually work as expected. how'd i make it return lines with both words ?

15:52:31 mircea_popescu: woot AND

15:52:33 mthreat: urmom gazelle

15:52:36 mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urmom+AND+gazelle

15:52:37 assbot: urmom AND gazelle

15:52:38 mthreat: just enter both words

15:52:46 mthreat: AND is default

15:52:54 mthreat: OR is possible: urmom OR ordad

15:53:04 mircea_popescu: Matches for urmom OR gazelle, 29 total results http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urmom+OR+gazelle kinmda funny

15:53:05 assbot: urmom OR gazelle

15:53:31 mircea_popescu: this thing is blazing fast, i am impresst!

15:53:49 mthreat: the magic of inverted indexes

15:53:57 mircea_popescu: your name shall live forever in the pantheon of really evil mean spirited rich people

15:58:31 moiety: mobile broadband truly sucks

15:58:54 mircea_popescu: wb

15:59:07 moiety: thank you :]

15:59:39 moiety: on two counts actually because if not for you, i wouldn't be getting normal broadband :D

15:59:48 mircea_popescu: uh ?!

16:00:05 nubbins`: aw, bless

16:00:08 moiety: i wouldn't have had funds for it

16:00:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.75339676 BTC to 9`388 shares, 18677 satoshi per share

16:00:44 mthreat: argentina vs. iran game just started

16:01:32 mircea_popescu: lol

16:01:38 mircea_popescu: if iran kicks them out...

16:01:58 mircea_popescu: prolly the start of argentina's nuclear arms programme

16:03:10 *: moiety wonders if the street arse-shaking parades will continue after the world cup

16:03:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 11.09076650 BTC to 29`438 shares, 37675 satoshi per share

16:04:25 mircea_popescu: there's no parades atm ?

16:06:22 moiety: o i thought there were, maybe everyones inside watching

16:06:55 mircea_popescu: kinda ya

16:07:09 mircea_popescu: besides, they count this rather mild 10ish degrees weather as vERY COLd

16:07:58 nubbins`: i have a relative who lives in brazil, he said one time it plunged to 9C overnight and homeless people died from exposure :0

16:09:03 mircea_popescu: o.O

16:09:39 mircea_popescu: and meanwhile you wereall "dude i WISH it were 9, i'd take the girls out to the nude beach"

16:09:56 nubbins`: there's a very narrow range of acceptable temperatures here

16:10:00 mircea_popescu: new foundland and labrador nude beach : "the only fur here is on your dog"

16:10:04 nubbins`: 18-22 is "nice"

16:10:14 nubbins`: above or below is too hot/cold

16:10:31 nubbins`: although that's generally more of an indication of our tendency to complain than anything else

16:10:33 mircea_popescu: kinda how it is everywhere neh ?

16:10:34 mthreat: in the bahamas once, the local girl was shivering when it was 21 degrees C

16:13:19 nubbins`: too bad canada doesn't have an island in the caribbean

16:13:27 nubbins`: i feel so left out

16:13:44 mircea_popescu: !up Cosmos

16:14:05 Cosmos: thanks ;p

16:14:12 mircea_popescu: what, canada is a colonial power now ?!

16:14:18 Cosmos: is bitbet here?

16:14:21 mircea_popescu: Cosmos hey there. and who might you be ?

16:14:44 mircea_popescu: yes, bitbet is here, if you want to say nice things about it.

16:14:49 mircea_popescu: if not, kakobrekla's not up yet.

16:14:51 Cosmos: I am Carl Sagan, resurrected last week, very fresh ;))

16:15:08 mircea_popescu: name sounds familiar...

16:15:52 Cosmos: so are you a co-owner or employee of bitbet

16:16:02 Cosmos: cuz I was looking to msg one of them

16:16:43 Cosmos: I might just have to email 'em lol

16:17:22 mircea_popescu: im a co owner.

16:17:32 Cosmos: that's interesting

16:21:01 Cosmos: https://www.bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=657583

16:21:01 assbot: ~A Landscape of Crypto~

16:21:09 Cosmos: yea! xD

16:21:24 Cosmos: such services, very vast

16:22:23 Cosmos: I can also still send the email at info@bb...us if you want

16:23:50 mircea_popescu: so you're looking for info on bitbet for your tardstalk post or what was it ?

16:24:50 nubbins`: strange

16:25:25 Cosmos: lol

16:25:30 Cosmos: no, i'm looking for tips

16:25:55 Cosmos: from having assembled & tested the info, written review, & freely advertised the sites

16:26:08 Cosmos: I've gotten some from 2 sites so far

16:26:17 mircea_popescu: well, ok, here's a tip : you've found the place where bitcoin actually happens. if you spend your next year reading the logs (they're in the topic) you'll be better off than if you spend your year doing anything else.

16:26:35 mircea_popescu: also, since you seem linguistically inclined, fluffypony was hiring someone to do summarization of same logs.

16:26:48 mircea_popescu: it may be he has a further job for an eager but diligent young man

16:27:18 Cosmos: you have my ears

16:27:47 Cosmos: and by tip I meant mostly actual BTC sent to me, but you figured that out ;))

16:28:21 mircea_popescu: how old are you btw ?

16:28:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00080149 = 38.712 BTC [-] {3}

16:29:23 Cosmos: 79

16:29:29 nubbins`: lel

16:29:40 nubbins`: looking for tips :0

16:29:40 Cosmos: I was born as Carl E. Sagan in Nov 9, 1934

16:29:41 mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of the derp foundation : did it yet get around to pointing out that people who had stopped updating bitcoin pre 8.0 were invulnerable to heartbleed, whereas people who hadn't stopped updating lost all their key material in the interval ?

16:30:09 mircea_popescu: preferably in the terms of, "anyone who didn't obey mp blindly on the score got raped, sorry, insert quarter to play again" ?

16:31:04 Cosmos: @ nubbins yea man, I've done free work, if site owners like it, they can donate/reward for it, pretty straightforward ;))))

16:33:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.0687 = 2.1984 BTC [-] {2}

16:33:52 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

16:33:54 gribble: Current Blocks: 307042 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1405 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16070092412.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.36859

16:34:14 mircea_popescu: 16mn o.O

16:34:14 Cosmos: ohhh gribble

16:34:18 mircea_popescu: bitch just won't let go.

16:34:22 Cosmos: I heard he was a god

16:34:33 BingoBoingo: Fucking hashpower

16:34:40 BingoBoingo: ;;ident Cosmos

16:34:41 gribble: Nick 'Cosmos', with hostmask 'Cosmos!6b81228a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is not identified.

16:34:42 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw we absoleetly need mthreat's thing piped in assbot

16:34:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0687 = 1.9923 BTC [-]

16:34:46 nubbins`: gribs is making a grab for the SR coins

16:34:53 nubbins`: so he can live forever

16:35:12 mircea_popescu: i dun see him dieing tbh.

16:35:12 BingoBoingo: ;;google carl sagan public key

16:35:13 gribble: Carl Sagan: 'Science Is a Way of Thinking' - Science Friday: http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/12/27/2013/carl-sagan-science-is-a-way-of-thinking.html; Carl Sagan Collection - CSI: http://www.csicop.org/specialcollections/show/carl_sagan_collection; Carl Sagan and the Cosmos Legacy | National Geographic Channel: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/cosmos-a (1 more message)

16:36:05 Apocalyptic: Cosmos, what work have you exactly done, excluding the mere fact of putting variably relevant links to bitcoin-related services together in a huge list ?

16:36:17 nubbins`: ^

16:36:23 nubbins`: that's about the sum of it

16:36:26 mircea_popescu: he's new, give him a break.

16:36:41 nubbins`: he also formatted some of the links by length

16:36:44 Cosmos: also

16:36:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00080023 = 10.1229 BTC [-] {2}

16:36:48 Cosmos: I made reviews

16:37:01 BingoBoingo: Cosmos: I've had great results with the Bitbet referral links, you can ask jurov for more info

16:37:10 mircea_popescu: Cosmos you understand the basic idea that the value of a review strictly rests with the known facts of the reviewer,

16:37:20 mircea_popescu: for which reason reviews by anon entities are not worth reading ?

16:37:35 Cosmos: if you scroll down, you see them, for mining share trading sites, for bet sites, and passive investing/ponzi

16:37:50 mircea_popescu: people read taki's column for him being taki and so on.

16:37:56 Cosmos: Hmmm

16:38:20 Cosmos: anyway the ppl who put websites in their sig's in forums..get paid by said websites....... for the free publicity/exposure......

16:38:27 Cosmos: those people are almost all anon...

16:38:42 Cosmos: and w/ relatively low / obscure unknown rep, too

16:38:56 mircea_popescu: sure. my girl paid people once in the same way.

16:38:57 Cosmos: excluding the 'personalities' and hero members etc

16:38:59 nubbins`: "paid" is almost not the right word

16:39:08 Cosmos: that's why I called it 'tipping'

16:39:10 nubbins`: someone tosses you a couple of pennies, you don't call it a paycheque

16:39:13 Cosmos: just as a token of appreciation

16:39:45 BingoBoingo: I think you misunderstand the root of tipping.

16:40:11 BingoBoingo: The word tip cleanly refers to a bribe of sorts... To Insure Prompt service.

16:40:24 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: you mean tipping isn't when you give someone money because you pity them for wasting everyone's time?

16:41:13 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well, tipping is a present you give somone you pity to save you from inconvenience

16:41:23 Cosmos: LOL

16:41:43 Cosmos: well I'll take your 'looking-down-on' & accept it gladly in my wallet address

16:41:46 BingoBoingo: It's why you tip the porter and the concierge

16:41:58 Cosmos: Cuz then

16:42:02 Cosmos: I'll send it to MintPal

16:42:05 Cosmos: buy XC at 120

16:42:08 BingoBoingo: Cosmos: Seriously get of the forums and start a blog

16:42:10 Cosmos: and sell it right back at 125

16:42:14 BingoBoingo: %book

16:42:17 atcbot: 50k@240 16k@235 2k@222 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

16:42:26 Cosmos: rinse/repeat to gribble-legendary levels of wealth

16:42:40 mircea_popescu: ;;google "BTC doesn't care about the SEC. MPEx rules!"

16:42:41 gribble: The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by the SEC ...: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=116835.20; SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered ...: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/277hny/sec_charges_bitcoin_entrepreneur_with_offering/; The crime of being American pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/the- (1 more message)

16:42:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 83 @ 0.0687 = 5.7021 BTC [-] {2}

16:42:54 mircea_popescu: incredible how much gribble sux.

16:43:12 nubbins`: ;;echo not as bad as $randnick

16:43:12 gribble: not as bad as Mats_cd03

16:43:14 Cosmos: Yea of course I thought of that, but the problem w/ blogs is, they are steeped in this culture/reputation of self-importance & personal author's life drama sht

16:43:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, something like https://bitcointa.lk/threads/lets-have-a-little-fun-then-shall-we.69076/ did you mean, cosmos ?

16:43:36 assbot: Let's have a little fun then, shall we. | Bitcointa.lk

16:43:36 nubbins`: heh.

16:43:59 BingoBoingo: Cosmos: "No social features except for official FreeNode IRC Chat." << Bitbet totally has comments

16:44:01 mircea_popescu: !up Cosmos

16:44:02 BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos

16:44:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> The word tip cleanly refers to a bribe of sorts... To Insure Prompt service. << nah, i disagree.

16:44:41 mircea_popescu: tips are actually constructive.

16:44:50 BingoBoingo: Bribes are constructive too

16:44:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00080259 = 9.8317 BTC [+]

16:44:57 BingoBoingo: Useful

16:44:58 nubbins`: bribes are destructive

16:45:02 Cosmos: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/lets-have-a-little-fun-then-shall-we.69076/ = yep, i just might

16:45:02 assbot: Let's have a little fun then, shall we. | Bitcointa.lk

16:45:06 mircea_popescu: not really. bribes are the final example of the disaster of commons

16:45:17 mircea_popescu: the prototype of the bribe is the cut the fence gives to the thief.

16:45:18 Cosmos: ok its a donation, not a bribe

16:45:27 Cosmos: you donate because I will change the world for good

16:45:31 mircea_popescu: whereas tips fall squarely in the charity thing

16:45:35 nubbins`: you tip someone, you'll get above-average service. you bribe someone, you'll get standard rather than sub-par

16:45:50 Cosmos: I do not think I personally deserve much (ego) therefore I am near-incorruptible

16:46:02 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> ;;echo not as bad as $randnick << shit i meant google not gribble.

16:46:09 nubbins`: :D

16:46:11 nubbins`: was gonna say

16:46:16 Cosmos: Given power, I will try my best to give as many deserving people as possible, better opportunities for improving their lives

16:46:26 mircea_popescu: Cosmos do you spend a lot of time on reddit?

16:46:30 nubbins`: GIVEN POWER

16:46:32 Cosmos: Not yet lol

16:46:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ya srsly.

16:46:40 Cosmos: See, weak people are afraid of power

16:46:41 nubbins`: create-your-own-protip

16:46:55 Cosmos: Because they know too well, it would corrupt them even more, very quickly

16:47:00 mircea_popescu: power is taken, not given, little grashopper. and your humble nonsense makes you both the most dangerous and the least likely to succeed character.

16:47:05 nubbins`: ^

16:47:10 Cosmos: The strong don't fear power, those with true integrity, like Buddha, and Gandhi

16:47:26 nubbins`: i think we have an Achiever

16:47:28 mircea_popescu: the two have nothing in common except for western ignorance.

16:47:54 mircea_popescu: also, your culture is lacking. do you know ghandi used to sleep with his underage niece ?

16:47:54 Cosmos: ahh you use 'Western'! my gf wants to slap me everytime i use that word, she identifies with it too much

16:48:06 Cosmos: That's fine

16:48:15 Cosmos: As long as she was mature for her age & was consenting

16:48:15 mircea_popescu: drove people up the wall at the time.

16:48:20 mircea_popescu: she was not, either.

16:48:23 mircea_popescu: and they were naked.

16:48:27 Cosmos: Oh really

16:48:31 mircea_popescu: yes really.

16:48:32 Cosmos: I thought they'd be dressed

16:48:40 mircea_popescu: ghandi didn't like to do laundry

16:48:45 mircea_popescu: so he mostly didn't dress.

16:48:46 nubbins`: who does?!

16:48:55 Cosmos: Btw almost everytime I talk, I'm half-trolling, but I always mean well

16:49:11 nubbins`: see, that'd be a good cover story for dov charney, if it weren't for the fact that he was strolling around a clothing factory naked ;(

16:49:16 Cosmos: I'm antimalicious, & brilliant, & responsible, that's why donating to me is so constructive

16:49:17 mircea_popescu: yes i get it, you were kidding after the fact, like that xfg or w/e his name was.

16:49:21 mircea_popescu: the avatars of youth.

16:50:21 nubbins`: if you're so brilliant, why are you spending your time writing website summaries and bumming for spare change?

16:50:22 BingoBoingo: %ticker

16:50:24 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 222 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

16:50:30 Cosmos: I'm acutely aware of how appearing as a newbie & suddenly talking big about myself & donations & work etc makes me look at first glance, which is why I'm playing it up w/ it massively, for mutual entertainment

16:50:39 *: nubbins` facepalms

16:50:41 mircea_popescu: oic.

16:50:51 mircea_popescu: this is like Game taken meta.

16:50:55 nubbins`: mmhmm

16:51:01 nubbins`: did anyone win the chess tourney after?

16:51:08 mircea_popescu: nubbins` shut up and drool out of your hole biatch :D

16:51:26 nubbins`: too cool to drool

16:51:31 mircea_popescu: omfg

16:51:42 mircea_popescu: that line is just too good. consider it stoled.

16:51:55 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NPWF36.txt )

16:51:55 BingoBoingo: !b 4

16:51:56 nubbins`: mp's first tattoo

16:52:13 mircea_popescu: no, but ima lay it on all the frigid uruguayan chix

16:52:28 Cosmos: It's the psychology of 'return the favor' - when wanting something, ask/suggest being given a minute fraction of it, to make the other party comfortable about your humility and more likely to actually give the whole amount you ulteriorly desired in the first place

16:52:32 nubbins`: i don't think it rhymes in spanish ;(

16:52:36 mircea_popescu: it's... "cold" here, you see.

16:52:41 nubbins`: fun fact, peruvians call their tongue "castellano" as well

16:52:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so lettem learn english

16:52:56 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Fell apart. If attempted would require something roughly resembling a schedule

16:53:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah apparently it's all of the west of south america + central

16:53:28 mircea_popescu: Cosmos does it work ?

16:53:35 Cosmos: is there any cryptorelated IRC channel

16:53:41 Cosmos: w/ more activity & wit than this here

16:53:52 Cosmos: I have been -looking- for this for a while

16:53:55 mircea_popescu: prolly not with more activity, but you could go ask in bitcoin-dev

16:54:04 nubbins`: heh

16:54:11 Cosmos: #bitcoin itself is ghost town, hundreds too scared to talk/troll

16:54:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what, im taking the mutual entertainment bit seriously.

16:54:28 Cosmos: it does work, mircea

16:54:35 Cosmos: I've had 2 ppl send me more than I suggested

16:54:36 nubbins`: no kidding :D

16:54:46 Cosmos: b/c I had been so humble

16:54:51 nubbins`: dude, you'll never believe what happened yesterday

16:55:01 nubbins`: i asked some guy for five bucks and he sucked my cock instead

16:55:04 mircea_popescu: Cosmos do they have confirmation bias where you go to school ?

16:55:16 moiety: the crypto ones are usually pretty dead and you won't find more wit than here

16:55:23 Cosmos: lol you think I'm under 21

16:55:30 Cosmos: the school implication

16:55:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i asked some chick for milanesa con queso and she fucked me instead.

16:55:39 nubbins`: we easily forget that 25 is the new 15

16:55:45 mircea_popescu: and all i wanted was a damned cheese steak

16:55:50 mircea_popescu: but she liked my humble manner

16:55:55 mthreat: damn you passed on the milanesa

16:56:04 mircea_popescu: mthreat nah, i buy them at the butcher's.

16:56:06 nubbins`: coño con queso

16:56:12 Cosmos: good thing @ 1986 i'm quite beyond both, actually sad thing in fact, years never return ;p

16:56:12 mthreat: ew

16:56:19 nubbins`: :D

16:56:26 mircea_popescu: mthreat it could be danish...

16:56:34 mircea_popescu: give it a wild, tangy aftertaste

16:56:40 nubbins`: Cosmos: so you're 28 years old and writing website summaries for tips? :(

16:56:42 mthreat: sin gas, por favor

16:56:43 nubbins`: jesus

16:56:56 Cosmos: help me then

16:56:57 nubbins`: agua con gaz is fuckin gross

16:57:02 moiety: it's all about presentation ;P

16:57:05 mircea_popescu: cono sin gas y queso

16:57:20 mircea_popescu: Cosmos you ever saw "a man for all seasons" ?

16:57:22 Cosmos: and no, I'm a trader

16:57:29 Cosmos: @mircea no

16:57:29 nubbins`: my sides

16:57:38 BingoBoingo: Cosmos: Are you familiar with Altcoin?

16:57:44 Cosmos: The forum crap I just did for like

16:57:52 BingoBoingo: %diff

16:57:54 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 442680.02 in 281 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.12

16:57:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know the quote i had in mind ?

16:57:57 Cosmos: to see how much fame i'd get

16:57:57 nubbins`: FOR LIKE A COOL JOKE LELEL

16:58:07 nubbins`: mp haven't seen it :(

16:58:16 Cosmos: i only got 220 total views in 2 threads

16:58:31 Cosmos: so its been barely helpful to anyone

16:58:33 nubbins`: Cosmos, you sound really lame :(

16:58:40 Cosmos: oh well

16:58:40 nubbins`: sorry for your loss

16:58:49 Cosmos: gotta video it up on youtube if you rly want views

16:58:56 Cosmos: now THAT would take my time

16:59:02 nubbins`: maybe it's not how much time you spend

16:59:04 Cosmos: ..away from profitable daytrading

16:59:04 ThickAsThieves: nubbins` do you have any comments on Titan Bitcoin?

16:59:20 nubbins`: tat, sorry, got your message. gold ones look cool but i don't really keep up with them

16:59:30 ThickAsThieves: word, i'ma do a review

16:59:30 nubbins`: i know michail1 and maybe Blazedout419 are into them

16:59:40 Cosmos: @boingo Let me answer your query with this :

16:59:41 Cosmos: ~ E N C Y C L O P E D I C A L T C O I N S D A T A B A S E ~ * = Virtual CryptoCurrencies marked w/ "*" symbol are not currently listed on Cryptsy/MintPal's BTC-/LTC-Denominated Markets at the moment, & are thus pending larger-scale community adoption. ꜝ = This symbol denotes that the name or acronym entered for the CryptoCurrency in question is merely a personally-preferred colloquial term, and not the actual ter

16:59:50 Cosmos: lol text max reached

17:00:10 Cosmos: let's try this part

17:00:11 Cosmos: +[BET] BetaCoin T0 +[ANC] AnonCoin T4 +[BUK] CryptoBuck T2 +[CAP] BottleCap T1 +[CRC] CraftCoin T1 +[CLR] CopperLark T1 +[CGB] Cryptogenicꜝ T3 +[CMC] CosmoCoinꜝ T1 +[COMM] CommunityCoin T° +[UNB] UnbreakableCoin T1 +[LGD] LegendaryCoin T1 +[NAUT] NautilusCoin T2 +[EMC2] Einsteinium T° +[FLT] FlutterCoin T0 +[EXE] EXECoin T1 +[DEM] e-Mark T0 +[FST] FastCoin T0 +[EZC] EZCoin T0 +[IXC] IXCoin T2 +[NBL] Nibble T1 +[WC] Whit

17:00:18 nubbins`: fuck off

17:00:22 Cosmos: lol

17:00:25 Cosmos: sry

17:00:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://pastebin.com/dyVep8eq

17:00:27 assbot: RICH (Voice cracking) You look at me as though I were an enemy! MORE (Pu - Pastebin.com

17:00:27 ThickAsThieves: where am i?

17:00:36 mircea_popescu: and after thatthey go into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk

17:00:36 assbot: A Man for All Seasons - The Devil Speech - YouTube

17:01:02 nubbins`: hmm, i'm gonna add this to my list

17:01:39 mircea_popescu: not a bad move.

17:01:50 mircea_popescu: Cosmos this is like the 3rd thing you completely missed :)

17:02:01 mircea_popescu: he was asking you about altcoin, not about all that other crap.

17:02:17 Cosmos: the alt called altcoin itself?

17:02:21 Cosmos: yea its in my list

17:02:23 mircea_popescu: yea

17:02:32 Cosmos: lol, its quite meta-sounding

17:02:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://projectplatypus.pbworks.com/w/page/19140696/A%20Man%20for%20All%20Seasons << actually there's script iyc

17:02:34 assbot: projectplatypus / A Man for All Seasons

17:02:36 Cosmos: didnt read about it

17:02:51 Cosmos: anyway, so you're claiming to be MPex CEO heh

17:03:00 Cosmos: I knew I'd seen that name somwhere else b4..

17:03:13 *: nubbins` finds a comfortable chair

17:03:39 Cosmos: i mean, that you in this IRC, is the actual Mircea, thats super-googleable personality, you know

17:03:48 mircea_popescu: Cosmos im not claiming. im actually authed.

17:03:48 Cosmos: I'm inclined to believe so

17:03:58 mircea_popescu: ;;ident mircea_popescu

17:03:58 gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

17:04:10 Cosmos: Nice

17:04:43 Cosmos: Now you just proved you have a nontrivial amount of ego

17:04:46 moiety: You really should be getting yourself authed too

17:04:53 BingoBoingo: Cosmos: The best altcoin is Altcoin (SHA-256 and not the heretic OMGWTFBBQHASH!!!)

17:04:57 Cosmos: That means you couldn't be given tons of power

17:04:57 nubbins`: "just" proved :D

17:04:58 mircea_popescu: nontrivial amt of ego ?

17:05:04 mircea_popescu: bitch please. i made that shit work.

17:05:05 Cosmos: Just teasing ya

17:05:08 mircea_popescu: i am the master of the ego.

17:05:34 mircea_popescu: and yeah, lol, i couldn't be GIVEN tons of power.

17:05:37 mircea_popescu: not anymore anyway.

17:05:38 Cosmos: I have no clue about technical things

17:05:42 BingoBoingo: http://therealaltcoin.org/

17:05:42 assbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.

17:05:49 Cosmos: I'm a finance & philosophy type

17:05:54 mircea_popescu: Cosmos so what did you study then ?

17:06:04 nubbins`: german film

17:06:05 Cosmos: I quit school after failing biology

17:06:13 Cosmos: got into porn w/ nubbins' mom

17:06:13 mircea_popescu: in philosophy ?

17:06:17 Cosmos: & then, started trading

17:06:18 gribble: Error: "then," is not a valid command.

17:06:23 mircea_popescu: lol

17:06:29 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3YASEQP.txt )

17:06:29 mircea_popescu: !b 8

17:06:30 Cosmos: <3

17:06:41 mircea_popescu: or w/e, mod can sort it out, whole convo's a bashfest

17:06:41 nubbins`: winning hearts & minds

17:06:53 Cosmos: Indeed, the 4chan way

17:07:25 mircea_popescu: Cosmos what exactly did you fail in biology ?

17:07:27 nubbins`: isn't it funny how everyone on irc is a "trader" and they all make money

17:07:29 nubbins`: what a coincidence

17:07:59 Cosmos: I had a fundamental passion for biotech, anatomy, biophysics, human enhancement

17:08:00 mircea_popescu: nubbins` im making the losses to cover for all of em

17:08:05 Cosmos: and still do of course

17:08:05 mircea_popescu: it's only fair, as i can afford it.

17:08:08 nubbins`: :D

17:08:14 nubbins`: a true hero

17:08:18 mircea_popescu: Cosmos but specifically, what'd you fail ?

17:08:21 Cosmos: And so, I mistakenly believed that my passion, which was, 'on paper' kinda

17:08:32 Cosmos: would automatically translate, to technical facility

17:08:34 mircea_popescu: like, "and then they asked me to describe the atp cycle and fuck i had no idea"

17:08:35 Cosmos: with lab work, etc

17:08:39 Cosmos: and it wasn't the case at all

17:08:52 Cosmos: I found out, I can't stand all this tedious experimenting & reporting & lab work man

17:08:55 nubbins`: i think he failed at applying to post-secondary

17:08:55 mircea_popescu: so you're intellectually lazy and prefer to dream shit up rather than do anything.

17:08:58 Cosmos: I'm supposed to be the boss

17:09:04 Cosmos: leading the scientist team

17:09:11 Cosmos: so I went into trading

17:09:20 mircea_popescu: that's the only reasonable path.

17:09:22 nubbins`: SO I WENT INTO TRADING

17:09:25 Cosmos: to be able, like Elon Musk the Great, to fund all these things

17:09:30 mircea_popescu: right.

17:09:31 moiety: so, you found your passion tedious?

17:09:40 nubbins`: moiety :D

17:09:44 Cosmos: yea nubbins, I've lost 13k in last 8 years learning the hard way, how to trade

17:09:54 mircea_popescu: maybe learning isn't the right word.

17:09:55 punkman: who has time for passion anyway, gotta watch tv

17:09:57 Apocalyptic: no, he just found out shit actually requires work

17:10:04 *: asciilifeform apprenticed to biologist in school. decided he doesn't like doing identical experiment 1,000 times.

17:10:19 mircea_popescu: moiety should i ask you how oft were you the unwitting girlfriend of such greatness or better hold my peace ?

17:10:28 *: nubbins` did three years of comp eng. decided he didn't like oscilloscopes :(

17:10:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're lucky you weren't into art.

17:10:56 Cosmos: rofl

17:10:56 Cosmos: tv

17:11:11 Cosmos: now you rly talk of the epitome of intellectual laze

17:11:32 moiety: sorry, i don't follow mircea_popescu

17:11:38 nubbins`: heard someone pronounce it "eppa-tome" recently

17:11:38 asciilifeform: ;;google datskovskiy telomerase

17:11:39 gribble: Induction of Telomerase Activity During Development of Human ...: http://www.jimmunol.org/content/166/11/6647.full

17:11:41 Cosmos: tv represents the Western garbage, the consumerism, the ads, the complacency, the mainstream conformism

17:11:48 asciilifeform: ^ i'm but a footnote.

17:11:58 mircea_popescu: moiety guy "falls in love", tells girl, she believes him, two years later he grows tired of the tediousness of it.

17:12:20 mircea_popescu: heartbreak results, in the lucky circumstances where the girl didn't go invest 9 months into the theory.

17:12:27 Cosmos: tv is the champion of average, excused mediocrity, the scourge of original thought & achievement

17:12:41 mircea_popescu: Cosmos is this a flatfile somehwere you're quoting ?

17:12:52 Cosmos: no thats the most awesome thing

17:13:11 Cosmos: I have a billion 'flatfile' notes as you say, recorded in HDD, but this I just pulled out of my brain

17:13:21 punkman: amazing markov

17:13:21 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:13:21 mircea_popescu: so you've slowly become one ?!

17:13:23 Cosmos: surprise myself sometimes (remember I am humble)

17:13:37 mircea_popescu: punkman did you write this and are nao trolling me ?

17:13:51 punkman: shhh don't ruin it

17:13:57 Cosmos: I find it amazing now that I think about it

17:13:57 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:14:02 Cosmos: that a CEO

17:14:10 Cosmos: w/ many projects & tons of wealth

17:14:14 mircea_popescu: i live in fear of this, btw, one of these days one of you assholes is going to script the noob and then i'll have to close down the whole operation ;/

17:14:15 Cosmos: + a well-known cryptoblog

17:14:19 Cosmos: is here in IRC

17:14:22 Cosmos: gracing us w/ his wisdom

17:14:26 mircea_popescu: Cosmos innit.

17:14:28 nubbins`: leave it

17:14:30 mircea_popescu: lol assbot

17:14:41 nubbins`: ;;echo tyvm assbot

17:14:42 gribble: tyvm assbot

17:14:56 BingoBoingo: !up assbot

17:15:00 BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos

17:15:05 mircea_popescu: well it was fun while it lasted.

17:15:09 mircea_popescu: ;;echo !up bingoboingo

17:15:09 gribble: !up bingoboingo

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17:15:28 BingoBoingo: !b 658

17:15:30 moiety: ahh, never apparently. At the end, I was told there wasn't the initial "falling in love"... i was a convenient wallet/housekeeper/etc mircea_popescu

17:15:47 Cosmos: [13:14] <+Cosmos> [..] ..is here in IRC, [..] gracing us w/ his wisdom, ..his $1k/hr time..

17:15:51 mircea_popescu: i've never loved baba gnoush as much as i do here. i'm up for it brakfast lunch and dinner, it's crazy. these folkjs eat nothing but meat.

17:15:55 *: moiety awaits the deserved "mug" forehead tattoo

17:16:14 mircea_popescu: moiety i think they just do phone number footsole tattoos now

17:16:28 mircea_popescu: so interested bystanders can just get the number

17:16:40 Cosmos: So I should like, make an acct on btc-assets to be perma-voiced here or just seduce mircea or what

17:16:52 mircea_popescu: you should seduce nubbins`

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17:17:00 BingoBoingo: !b 2

17:17:11 Cosmos: that's a mathematical impossibility, i'm afraid

17:17:37 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagkBedzwI8

17:17:38 assbot: Hopes deleted. - YouTube

17:17:53 Cosmos: even gribb hates me it appears

17:18:31 BingoBoingo: ;;echo !down Cosmos

17:18:31 gribble: !down Cosmos

17:19:07 Cosmos: does that work

17:19:11 BingoBoingo: So... It's looking like Argentina might start that nuclear program

17:19:18 BingoBoingo: !down Cosmos

17:19:27 BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos yes

17:19:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they lost ?!

17:19:42 moiety: Cosmos: indeed it does. http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets heres a step by step.

17:19:42 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

17:19:42 Cosmos: asked cuz it didnt the first time

17:19:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still tied 60 minutes in

17:20:00 BingoBoingo: !down Cosmos

17:20:25 mircea_popescu: ok so this just in

17:20:42 mircea_popescu: corrientes, which is a major avenue, is COVERED in swat vans, fire trucks, miles of it from the center.

17:20:47 mircea_popescu: nobody is there.

17:20:54 mircea_popescu: nobody is in the shops, just the tvs going

17:21:03 mircea_popescu: i think these are countermeasures in case they lose ?

17:21:07 nubbins`: hahah

17:21:10 nubbins`: welcome to s.a.

17:21:10 BingoBoingo: Probably

17:21:16 BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos

17:21:45 moiety: cosmos, you may note the difference in commands.. the first included an echo

17:22:00 Cosmos: Maybe I won't register after all, my great hopes for this chan getting non-negligibly crushed the minute I saw traditional sports talk

17:22:35 mircea_popescu: people that follow sports can't be given a ton of power either ?

17:22:39 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:thedrinkingrecord.com baseball

17:22:40 gribble: Baseball | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/category/baseball/; An Overview of Betable Sports Part 1: Baseball | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/12/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-1-baseball/; Real Baseball and "Sportsmanship" | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/18/real-baseball-and-sportsmanship/

17:22:47 moiety: excuse us while we don't weep for the loss of your great hopes

17:23:02 Cosmos: ppl will see the 'echo' note, and immediate echo by gribble or whoever, so... the troll from it won't work..? dunno what other reason they'd echo for lol

17:23:05 mircea_popescu: lol rawr

17:23:06 *: moiety hasn't even linked a manul yet

17:23:27 BingoBoingo: ;;echo ;;google WTF?

17:23:27 gribble: ;;google WTF?

17:23:46 BingoBoingo: OMG Gribble can't command itself!

17:24:26 Cosmos: I wonder if mod6 is omega6 (i know him(

17:24:38 BingoBoingo: ;;8ball

17:24:38 gribble: No chance.

17:24:45 Cosmos: anyway, pleased to have met you guys

17:24:52 Cosmos: I know it's not reciprocal

17:25:00 Cosmos: with good reason hee hee

17:25:04 moiety: ;;google define echo

17:25:05 gribble: Echo | Define Echo at Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/echo; Echo - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/echo; Echo - definition of Echo by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Echo

17:25:26 mircea_popescu: echo is the girl that loved narcis

17:25:56 Cosmos: but why would bingo use the command if it doesnt do anything other than make gribble speak

17:26:00 moiety: Cosmos: like i said, it's all about presentation

17:26:11 Cosmos: it won't fool anyone lol

17:26:27 mircea_popescu: like all the big cats, bb likes to play

17:26:31 BingoBoingo: Cosmos: Who said I do things for reasons

17:26:41 Cosmos: makes sense

17:27:01 Cosmos: is this community altcoin haters or lovers

17:27:09 Cosmos: like, there's this huge, funny rivalry

17:27:13 BingoBoingo: Altcoin lovers, altcoin haters

17:27:19 Cosmos: 2 widely-chasm'd camps, hating each other

17:27:59 Cosmos: it's heresy to talk of BTC in cryptocointalk, for instance. heresy to spend more than a couple words about alts, (they're all 'shtcoins') in bitcointalk, for instance

17:28:01 moiety: does any original like it's rip-offs?

17:28:15 xmj: benkay: around?

17:28:57 BingoBoingo: Argentin and Iran still tied.

17:29:28 Cosmos: yea they're just rip-offs cept for those that don't use btc tech at all..but, some still have good, relevant, unique applications, and quite a few have presented astronomical % gain opportunities, just cashout to BTC b4 the dump and keep multiplying it.......

17:31:20 mircea_popescu: <Cosmos> [13:14] <+Cosmos> [..] ..is here in IRC, [..] gracing us w/ his wisdom, ..his $1k/hr time.. << some people are modest.

17:31:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'haxxing' article - if you want something other than lamers for the butterfly collection, cut apart those dead mobos & disks, rather than read server logs

17:32:02 mircea_popescu: i don't have a shop here

17:32:07 mircea_popescu: but they're in cold storage.

17:32:28 moiety: and yet still would not exist had there been no preceeding bitcoin Cosmos

17:33:10 mircea_popescu: maybe im the one that least hates alts

17:33:15 Cosmos: @mircea No, that was after bingo muted me randomly, so I copied the stuff I'd pasted afterwards, that didnt appear here, this whole statement of mine was in reference to YOU mircea not me obviously lol

17:33:44 *: asciilifeform doesn't hate alts but it bored of folks who s/bitcoin/foocoin

17:33:50 asciilifeform: *is

17:34:11 BingoBoingo: !down Cosmos

17:34:19 mircea_popescu: Cosmos i am aware.

17:34:22 BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos

17:34:24 Cosmos: lol this guy, like clockwork

17:34:47 Cosmos: hm, sry for ruining your joke lol mircea

17:34:55 Cosmos: your irony*

17:35:12 BingoBoingo: How long is one of these football games anyway?

17:35:27 Cosmos: im an IRC newb, it's /msg person's name to PM ppl right..?

17:35:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 90 mins, then they start shooting straight at the goalposts

17:36:18 BingoBoingo: Well it is still tied at 77 minutes in

17:36:37 mircea_popescu: actually nm that. i think ties are allowed in this game.

17:36:56 BingoBoingo: Yeah, there have been so many ties

17:37:34 moiety: i need to run out for prarcetamol, back in 5

17:37:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.0687 = 6.87 BTC [+]

17:37:47 moiety: or paracetamol, whicever helps with pain

17:38:17 asciilifeform: decimation: russia/native cpu << see earlier 'elbrus.' wake me up when they cough up own os, rather than cribbing.

17:38:45 mircea_popescu: the purring one for you, prrolly

17:39:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ianal, but it'd seem cribbing is better. rather than writing from scratch and inventing a new mistakes-space, they just take out some mistakes of a well documenterd space

17:39:41 asciilifeform: lol

17:39:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00080151 = 17.4729 BTC [-] {3}

17:40:02 asciilifeform: 'take out mistakes' >> ssl

17:40:24 asciilifeform: and some mistakes (the need for a compiler) aren't so easy to take out.

17:40:39 mircea_popescu: this is true.

17:41:08 asciilifeform: see: http://blog.regehr.org/archives/498

17:41:09 assbot: Embedded in Academia : Software Bugs and Scientific Progress

17:42:36 BingoBoingo: %ticker

17:42:37 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 222 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

17:43:22 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess you'll get to find out what the swat vans are for soon

17:43:37 mircea_popescu: iran scored ?

17:44:20 BingoBoingo: Isn't a tie as bad as losing?

17:45:28 mircea_popescu: nope

17:45:40 BingoBoingo: Ah

17:45:48 BingoBoingo: Well, still no score

17:45:56 mircea_popescu: their scoring is byzantine, but! i think they getrematches and whatnot

17:46:13 *: asciilifeform started crackpot career by reading at&t unix as described in 'lions book' and setting out to 'take out mistakes' - then noticed that result is... empty space

17:46:23 mircea_popescu: lol

17:46:35 Cosmos: worst thing is as soon as this Cup fest is over

17:46:49 BingoBoingo: Handegg Season

17:47:00 Cosmos: we'll be beset w/ another mainstreamer flood, from Jul 4th Independence

17:49:08 mircea_popescu: score.

17:49:10 mircea_popescu: i can tell

17:49:13 mthreat: haha

17:49:16 mthreat: neighbors


17:49:21 mthreat: damn my stream

17:49:25 mthreat: is lagged

17:49:29 mircea_popescu: lol

17:49:32 BingoBoingo: Yeah

17:49:35 mircea_popescu: get real interwebs mthreat :D

17:49:44 mthreat: in argentina? heh

17:49:51 mircea_popescu: mthreat i have it

17:49:59 mthreat: which provider

17:50:04 mircea_popescu: all of them.

17:50:28 mthreat: all?

17:50:34 mircea_popescu: (not even kidding, i got the top package of everyone, loadbalancing it)

17:50:40 mthreat: fucking A

17:51:12 mircea_popescu: they don't go out atthe same time, either.

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17:51:19 BingoBoingo: !b 9

17:51:45 mthreat: do you need that much bandwidth, or more for reliability?

17:51:49 Cosmos: do you like CFD's

17:51:59 mircea_popescu: reliability. but bw is a nice throw-in

17:52:06 asciilifeform: re: 'take out mistakes': obligatory: http://pastebin.com/rG1TxJt2

17:52:07 assbot: The Spittoon - Pastebin.com

17:52:08 mircea_popescu: plus, girls like the half hour movie torrent time

17:54:19 Cosmos: I brought entertainment & then I faded down to a speck of nothing

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17:54:48 BingoBoingo: !b 1

17:54:58 BingoBoingo: !down Cosmos

17:55:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0687 = 0.8244 BTC [+]

17:58:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00080201 = 7.6993 BTC [+]

18:08:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00079949 = 3.6777 BTC [-] {2}

18:08:30 moiety: /me got distracted by some flowers in need of tlc

18:08:35 moiety: well that worked

18:08:46 moiety: i see the loss of BB was too much for cosmos

18:15:17 mircea_popescu: well maybe he gets through his reading

18:21:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/21/tell-the-grand-inquisitor-theres-no-fucking-bitcoin-taint/

18:21:39 moiety: not sure i share your optimism mircea_popescu

18:24:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00080173 = 9.8613 BTC [+]

18:37:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11063 @ 0.00079946 = 8.8444 BTC [-] {2}

18:38:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 887 @ 0.00079812 = 0.7079 BTC [-]

18:41:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00079761 = 3.9083 BTC [-]

18:42:43 mircea_popescu: !up grahvity

18:44:15 mthreat: googlebot's already crawling search.ba

18:45:42 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

18:45:42 assbot: Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen - YouTube

18:47:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00079684 = 2.4702 BTC [-]

18:56:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-story-of-manscarves/

18:58:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25136 @ 0.00080029 = 20.1161 BTC [+] {3}

19:05:24 mircea_popescu: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#725987 (the entire plain words) conundrum, bitcoinpete got me the best in for the best example known to man. http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/21/tell-the-grand-inquisitor-theres-no-fucking-bitcoin-taint/#comment-791

19:05:25 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

19:05:27 assbot: Tell The Grand Inquisitor There’s No Fucking Bitcoin Taint. | When Bitcoin Met Pete

19:07:58 mircea_popescu: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#725970 is like cosmos' earlier adventure in detail.

19:07:58 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

19:08:18 mircea_popescu: epic fucking quote that.

19:12:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00080396 = 11.376 BTC [+]

19:25:31 moiety: "can guess faster than they can learn" lol perfect

19:26:11 moiety: wb

19:27:06 mircea_popescu: motherfucker. power surge during write operation -> destroyed boot.

19:27:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still no civilized power gizmos?

19:27:31 mircea_popescu: apparently mains unfiltered is not good here.

19:27:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im putting a whole array in, what's to do.

19:27:54 punkman: ;;ident

19:27:55 gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is not identified.

19:27:56 *: asciilifeform got a dual-converting ups as a gift from phriend not long ago. no more stabilizer 'bzzzzzz'

19:27:59 punkman: hmm?

19:28:07 mircea_popescu: by now i'm drastically past the threshold of doorman telling me apart "you know i've never seen so much computer equipment since i work here"

19:28:21 mircea_popescu: something i had hoped to avoid

19:28:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'liebert gxt2.' recommended.

19:29:19 mircea_popescu: aite.

19:30:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform provider sez discontinued.

19:30:18 asciilifeform: this kind of gizmo works by running rectifier (mains to 48v dc) at all times, connected to cell bank, and on the exit, inverter (48v dc to local mains voltage ac) likewise at all times

19:30:45 mircea_popescu: girl on cam "and this is my bedroom slash office"

19:30:48 mircea_popescu: ahem.

19:31:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'gxt3' is still sold. and of course there's a dozen or so other vendors who sell similar units.

19:35:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/titan-physical-bitcoin-review-silver/

19:36:19 mircea_popescu: On and off, I?ve had the urge to acquire physical Bitcoin coins to give to family and invest/collect them for myself. I have never purchased any sort of collectible coin before, nor have I ever purchased precious metals. << weird what btc does to people.

19:37:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you only have surges, never dips, ferroresonant gizmo would also work. but they're loud.

19:37:57 mircea_popescu: why assume.

19:39:08 mircea_popescu: The BitPay prompt for payment seems awkwardly designed to me, particularly in that the text version of the payment address is very tiny. << I heard this in the form of "wow, they're really trying to stop you from copying pasting it huh". no idea wtf they;'d be thinking

19:43:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you buy this or similar unit, make sure it eats 220v. these, unlike pc power supply, aren't omnivorous.

19:44:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00080396 = 5.1051 BTC [+]

19:45:42 ThickAsThieves: yep, you read it how i felt it

19:46:06 ThickAsThieves: it's not my first time using bitpay either, i think the address used to be bigger

19:46:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no i meant i actually heard someone else complain

19:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00080396 = 10.4113 BTC [+]

19:47:18 ThickAsThieves: ah

19:47:19 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/The_new_woman--wash_day.png << genderbendin' in 1910

19:47:23 mircea_popescu: by underwood&underwood

19:47:27 ThickAsThieves: add me to the list then

19:58:57 mircea_popescu: btw mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ?

20:09:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0670089 = 0.7371 BTC [-] {3}

20:13:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00080396 = 8.2004 BTC [+] {2}

20:14:19 benkay: <mircea_popescu> decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs? <<< here's the thing : real estate agents are certified, and have to be bondend in many places, and have to follow best practices, and can and are put to the coals ifthey do not.

20:14:27 benkay: reminds me of a great hustle a neighbor got put through recently

20:15:12 benkay: house immediately downhill from the 'rents went on sale for 900k, reasoning being "well it was built by and inhabited by Dr. Hawthorne of this grand street a few blocks over who also built the insanitarium at the top of said street which is now a seminary"

20:16:25 benkay: the people doing the sale failed to do it on their own at 900k, so this vulture swooped in, started ratcheting the price down and as all the buyers trickled in said something along the lines of "I know that this isn't really what you're looking for, but how about I give you a call sometime next week and I'll show you some houses that might fit your budget and expectations a little bit better".

20:16:52 benkay: two months later, the house has been dragged down from 900k to 700k, and that broker has straight ghosted with all the leads she generated via excellent hustle.

20:17:50 benkay: so while best practices are a thing and brokers do get put to the coals, as with all regulated things only the dumb and most obviously rule-breaky are going to get their feet torched. i can't imagine it being any other way with programmering - the smart ones will shift the blame to the dumb ones, who will take the fall. age old story.

20:18:29 benkay: and what is this "not liable for errors" crap y'all are spouting? i have to fight for that clause in every contract I take on.

20:19:05 benkay: i have no idea what rat fuck of code i'm taking on, and i'm sure as hell not taking responsibility for your untested ball of hair falling over because this private method is getting called by your SUPER IMPORTANT WEEKLY REPORTs.

20:25:37 benkay: <mthreat> Behold, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/ // linespacing's pretty wide but awesome work

20:25:38 assbot: #bitcoin-assets search

20:25:40 benkay: ;;rate mthreat 1

20:25:41 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

20:25:45 benkay: oh i do do i

20:26:17 benkay: ;;rate mthreat 1

20:26:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mthreat has been recorded.

20:28:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00080471 = 10.4612 BTC [+]

20:30:50 mircea_popescu: benkay> two months later, the house has been dragged down from 900k to 700k, and that broker has straight ghosted with all the leads she generated via excellent hustle. << dumbass approach imo, but hey

20:31:16 mircea_popescu: but that aside, the openssl recent string of bugs WOULD have been of the coal kind

20:31:48 mircea_popescu: which is exactly how it was argued for software responsibility immunity in the 80s : that ALL software failures are clearly of a coal-abl etype, and so not granting immunity would make software "impossible"

20:32:07 benkay: nah, torch anyone who implemented it in their own codebasen. no crime in releasing shit to the world, only a crime to put that shit in your cliquot

20:32:08 mircea_popescu: rms and co really meant "bad software" but just said "software", and "plain language" being what it is, who's to know the difference.

20:32:24 mircea_popescu: as if bitcoin'd suffer from a complete ban on all the tard venues, or computers from a complete disappearance of bad software

20:32:41 mircea_popescu: benkay methinks you might have to brush up on corp law :)

20:32:49 benkay: indubitably.

20:32:50 mircea_popescu: nobody'd put it in without specific representations and certifications

20:33:00 mircea_popescu: an' warranties an' indemnities

20:34:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, i wish i recall who wrote the example with the locks, in favour of software tort immunity

20:34:32 mircea_popescu: it went something like, "if a lock fails that lock can be replaced, but if software failed ALL a company's products fail at the same time so there's nobody to absorb the costs"

20:34:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0684996 = 0.685 BTC [+] {2}

20:34:44 mircea_popescu: as if this were any kind of argument. as if crops don't fail exactly the same way. etc

20:37:07 benkay: i'm way out of my domain on this, but who gets the spike? devs on openssl and bitcoind > 0.6?

20:37:38 mircea_popescu: bitcoin 9.0, again.

20:37:42 benkay: the people who wrote PHP's rand?

20:37:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0686 = 0.686 BTC [+]

20:37:48 mircea_popescu: hearn didn't just fuck the db and get bitcoin forket

20:37:53 mircea_popescu: he also merged heartbleed into the codebase.

20:38:19 mircea_popescu: all in the name of the "needed" pki, which was never needed by us, it was needed by nsa.

20:38:51 benkay: does this go for all open source mistakes?

20:39:01 mircea_popescu: the notion that derps imagining themselves involved and part of and etc still treat hearn as anything but vomit behind a bar is perhaps the best argument against democracy.

20:39:15 mircea_popescu: well there's mistakes and there's "mistakes"

20:39:29 mircea_popescu: little girl taking a drink from suspicious man in overcoat is not making a mistake

20:39:33 mircea_popescu: is simply enacting a death wish.

20:42:26 benkay: but he's not wearing an overcoat, he's got a nice pair of slacks and a collared tee, and everyone except the weirdos in the corner are drinking with him.

20:43:24 mircea_popescu: right. and hearn isn't 12.

20:43:43 mircea_popescu: fancy that, adult world has like two or even three tiers of complexity on top of what you find in coloring books.

20:43:45 benkay: i thought hearn was handing out potions in this example.

20:44:02 mircea_popescu: heh. notrly. he's just a whore.

20:44:11 benkay: hm

20:44:15 mircea_popescu: infectious, of course, but nothing much than a tool of contagion.

20:44:34 benkay: ;;later tell xmj i am now

20:44:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:55:40 decimation: re: 48v DC << yeah most higher end servers can be ordered with 48v DC power supplies. works best with a rack-sized 48 v lead-acid battery

20:59:11 decimation: benkay: re: liability << yeah, but I assume you aren't shipping code for anonymous users, I assume you are writing some kind of support contract

20:59:53 decimation: My point about lack of liability has to do with why microsoft hasn't gotten sued for writing crapware that certainly has done demonstrable harm to users

21:00:43 benkay: i always figured that was the insane war chest they have and the mountain of paper under which they'd bury anyone.

21:00:58 benkay: i guess tho that's an artifact of operating in an environment where they're not held liable for their work?

21:01:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00080505 = 8.8556 BTC [+] {2}

21:02:15 mircea_popescu: i'd say that more likely.

21:02:44 mircea_popescu: all in the name of "open society of knowledge" and "progress" and generally speaking the mistaken view that exploring the space of opportunities is more valuable than staying in one piece

21:03:06 mircea_popescu: basically, "self-seeking" addicted college kids being given the reins of the country.

21:03:39 mircea_popescu: never trust a baby boom, for the baby boomers are almost always the end of things.

21:04:11 decimation: yes, much ruin was brought by that generation

21:04:44 asciilifeform: von neumann cpu, 'c' ~= chinese backyard steel

21:05:17 asciilifeform: everybody can get behind the impalement of author of 'heartbleed' but problem goes deeper.

21:05:27 decimation: imagine if you could be publicly executed for distributing heartbleed

21:05:38 decimation: everyone from the programmer down to the bios writer

21:05:48 decimation: do you think comptuer archs would change?

21:06:18 mircea_popescu: they would have to

21:06:23 mircea_popescu: for physical lack of who to continue.

21:06:32 asciilifeform: or programmers would be shot every day, like nork army colonels

21:06:41 asciilifeform: and people would sorta get used to it

21:06:55 mircea_popescu: i mean you're basically asking, "suppose you could be killed by trying to fuck scorpions in the tail. do you suppose fucking habits would change ?"

21:07:01 mircea_popescu: dunno dood...

21:07:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6806 @ 0.00080535 = 5.4812 BTC [+]

21:07:51 decimation: this is a pretty simple thought experiment, and the obvious conclusion is that computers (as they are now) are hopelessly insecure

21:08:02 asciilifeform: the 'computer industry' loves the crapfest, though. ('employment!' see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 etc)

21:08:04 assbot: Loper OS » Steam Lisp

21:08:08 asciilifeform: the only folks shafted: the users.

21:08:08 decimation: that kinda already puts us in north korea

21:08:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9476 @ 0.0008044 = 7.6225 BTC [-] {2}

21:08:13 mircea_popescu: well, security was not the first priority. it rarely is, when going over new space.

21:08:24 mircea_popescu: security wasn't high on the list of gold seeking miners, or of cowboys,

21:08:32 mircea_popescu: or of early seafaring explorers

21:08:36 mircea_popescu: magellan died of fucking stupidity.

21:09:09 mircea_popescu: but by now computing is coallescing, and once moore's law finally fucking dies (trompi be praised)

21:09:21 mircea_popescu: we'll finally be in a position to put some fences up and make sense of the damned thing.

21:09:23 decimation: yeah but the difference is that those first 'explorers' were generally unable to dominate the world's market

21:09:23 asciilifeform: security is only one casualty of the crud flood

21:09:41 mircea_popescu: decimation this is a false impression, artefact of your context

21:09:47 mircea_popescu: they dominated the "world market" of their stupidity.

21:09:55 mircea_popescu: what's "go west young man" ?

21:10:13 decimation: right, but it wasn't The West Powered By Intel

21:10:29 mircea_popescu: was exactly the same thing, in its time's typeface.

21:10:42 mircea_popescu: powered by smith&wesson.

21:10:49 decimation: heh. that's a good point

21:10:57 mircea_popescu: what lasting cultural impact for s&w ?

21:11:41 decimation: well, the Winchester old bint built a castle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Mystery_House

21:11:41 assbot: Winchester Mystery House - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:11:49 mircea_popescu: right ?

21:11:59 mircea_popescu: (been there btw. imo not all that it's cracked up to be)

21:12:35 hanbot: mircea_popescu how did you fit through the doorways?!

21:13:06 mircea_popescu: none of the really tiny ones were open ot public

21:13:16 hanbot: i barely managed myself, thing's built for the vertically challenged

21:14:37 decimation: it is true that it seems like computing is coallescing. For instance, ascii's garbage-collector-on-a-chip sounds pretty feasible now, but would have been laughed at 10 years ago

21:15:02 asciilifeform: decimation: it was built in 1979.

21:15:10 decimation: your scheme chip?

21:15:16 asciilifeform: not mine, sussman's

21:15:32 asciilifeform: (i've invented not one of these things)

21:15:47 decimation: right I remember your post about sussman trying to dodge the "why did you give up" question

21:15:56 asciilifeform: ;;google SCHEME-79

21:15:56 gribble: The SCHEME-79 Chip: http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6334; SCHEME+79 Chip: <ftp://publications.ai.mit.edu/ai-publications/pdf/AIM-559.pdf>; Loper OS » Shards of Lost Technology, and the Need for High-Level ...: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46

21:16:32 decimation: bunnie haung has a post about future 'hierloom' hardware http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1927

21:16:32 assbot: Why the Best Days of Open Hardware are Yet to Come « bunnie's blog

21:18:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00080516 = 22.3029 BTC [+] {2}

21:18:47 asciilifeform: i know quite a few people who use hardware built before or shortly after they were born, for which no 'modern' adequate replacement exists

21:19:00 asciilifeform: the 'heirloom computer' is old, old hat.

21:19:35 decimation: the symbolics stuff is certainly an example

21:19:55 asciilifeform: there are countless other examples. visit a university laboratory.

21:20:08 asciilifeform: $800K mass spectrometer connected to pc at.

21:21:06 decimation: even more modern, agilent lab gear that runs windows xp or 2000

21:21:29 asciilifeform: these will get upgraded. because they're already running on crashy turd, no big change

21:21:38 asciilifeform: the things that never upgrade - run on boxes that have never crashed.

21:21:54 decimation: yeah that's a good point

21:22:02 decimation: I had an old IBM AT once. thing was built like a tank

21:22:17 asciilifeform: recently toured university's music lab. they have a player piano, similar to the well-known mechanical kind, but electronic - pressure sensors, a disk full of recordings of famous pianists playing. disk on ms-dos box. 386.

21:22:18 decimation: the amount of steel that went into producing the cabinet was impressive

21:22:38 asciilifeform: servos controlled by isa card

21:22:50 decimation: heh

21:23:03 asciilifeform: (incidentally, you can get usb fixtures that will talk to an isa card. unsuitable for the piano - no 'hard real time' guarantee on usb!)

21:23:18 decimation: absolutely not

21:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10345 @ 0.00080545 = 8.3324 BTC [+] {2}

21:23:46 decimation: I've discovered from my own experience that newere Xeon chips are much more laggy than older single core pentiums

21:23:59 decimation: having 1024 chickens service your hardware isn't an improvement

21:24:10 asciilifeform: worse, unpredictably laggy. elaborate cache pyramid, easy to throw off

21:24:25 decimation: yeah it's like playing plinko with a real-time deadline

21:24:46 mircea_popescu: decimation> the amount of steel that went into producing the cabinet was impressive << i bought new desktop cases here. i could punch a hole threough the things

21:24:47 decimation: even in more modern stuff there is this effect. Look at features that are dying off in cell phones

21:24:53 asciilifeform: much of the supposed speed gains of recent decade were achieved using 'instruction re-ordering'

21:25:07 asciilifeform: which plays havoc with real-time anything. and with any attempt at hand optimization

21:25:28 decimation: http://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3 << catalog of almost all known phones. Put in "keyboard" && "> 1.5 GHz clock" ... you get 4 results

21:25:28 assbot: Phone Finder - search for a phone by feature - GSMArena.com

21:25:52 mircea_popescu: phone keyboards were insanity

21:26:06 decimation: yeah every computer I get has a thinner case

21:26:15 decimation: most of them are plastic now

21:26:27 asciilifeform: you can still get steel if you buy 'rack' enclosures

21:26:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00080552 = 21.1852 BTC [+]

21:26:40 benkay: phone keyboards are still infinitely better than touchscreens.

21:26:40 decimation: yeah, but you pay.

21:26:56 asciilifeform: an empty '2u' rack case is 300 usd or so

21:26:58 mircea_popescu: benkay but still unusable.

21:26:58 decimation: mircea, are you saying the touchscreen is a better interface for typing?

21:27:09 mircea_popescu: no lol. imsaying wtf typing on your phone.

21:27:17 mircea_popescu: the name is PHONE

21:27:18 benkay: old man

21:27:21 decimation: yeah that's a good point

21:27:26 benkay: i grew up typing on them

21:27:36 mircea_popescu: now that's sad.

21:27:39 benkay: with T9 i could hammer out punctuation-perfect anything without even looking.

21:27:53 asciilifeform: chording keyboard would've worked great on phones

21:27:54 decimation: well, I would argue that physical phone keyboards are a better match for the occasional typing needed, compared to a touchscreen input

21:27:58 mircea_popescu: "what do you mean drinking mud is bad for me. i grew up drinking mud"

21:28:02 decimation: but I take your point about it sucks

21:28:06 asciilifeform: (this one: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861)

21:28:08 assbot: Loper OS » Engelbart’s Violin

21:28:08 mircea_popescu: anyone has a pic ready of the kids that bathed in warm water post chernobyl ?

21:28:16 benkay: hey i'm not saying mud's great

21:28:23 benkay: but it sure as heck beats actual shit.

21:28:24 mircea_popescu: benkay no i know

21:28:26 decimation: yeah I agree, why no chording interface

21:28:36 decimation: or hell, I would even enter morse code

21:28:53 mircea_popescu: decimation i'd rather have to whislte 8 baud into it than have to type on tha small shit

21:29:15 mircea_popescu: btw : why no whistle interface for smartphones yet ?

21:29:19 decimation: I agree, but if you are going to eat turds they might as well have a good keyboard

21:29:33 mircea_popescu: fucking "innovation" consisting of everyone making the same 3 games and 2 apps over and over AND OVER again

21:29:59 mircea_popescu: i bet you most people could whistle more wpm than they natively type

21:30:05 decimation: right, that's my point about phones (ascii has pointed this out before) - they are all converging on iphone clones

21:30:13 asciilifeform: morse is eminently learnable

21:30:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and i recall the tests : morse is faster than texting.

21:30:40 asciilifeform: (re: fear of learning, obligatory naggum: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html)

21:30:41 assbot: 404 Not Found

21:30:42 mircea_popescu: ;;google morse faster than texting

21:30:43 gribble: Wiki: Morse Faster Than Text Messaging: http://c2.com/morse/wiki.cgi?MorseFasterThanTextMessaging; Morse Code VS Text Messaging - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbA0UedX2Ws; Morse Code Operators versus Mobile Phone Texting - SchoolTube: http://www.schooltube.com/video/b10e053ebe005282aada/

21:31:22 decimation: just like 'computers' were varied and interesting, and then all converged to wintel shitbox

21:31:31 asciilifeform: btw anyone who wants to try chording:

21:31:32 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html

21:31:32 assbot: MwEmu

21:31:35 decimation: 'phones' were varied and interesting and converge to iphone shitbox

21:31:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20702 @ 0.00080552 = 16.6759 BTC [+]

21:33:08 mircea_popescu: i dunno they were ever that interesting

21:33:17 mircea_popescu: i rapidly lost interest after motorola somethng or the other

21:33:36 mircea_popescu: the last one you could grab by antenna and hit peopleover the head with

21:33:49 benkay: star tac's were amazing

21:33:49 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

21:33:54 benkay: ;;google star tac

21:33:55 gribble: Motorola StarTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_StarTAC; The Motorola StarTAC is Back, in Yellow - Gizmodo: http://gizmodo.com/5672422/the-motorola-startac-is-back-in-yellow; Motorola StarTAC 130 - lëkki: http://www.lekki.fr/en/10-motorola-startac

21:34:02 mircea_popescu: the first clams ?

21:34:07 benkay: yup.

21:34:19 mircea_popescu: you only think that becaus they looked like a cona to you.

21:34:24 mircea_popescu: at an age when that was still a big deal

21:34:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 51 @ 0.03847462 = 1.9622 BTC [-]

21:34:44 benkay: ;;google cona

21:34:45 gribble: YMCA Youth Conference On National Affairs - Home: http://www.ymcacona.org/; Carriage Operators of North America - Home Page: http://www.cona.org/; Cona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cona

21:34:50 benkay: ?

21:34:51 asciilifeform: there were sane people:

21:34:51 mircea_popescu: con~a

21:34:52 asciilifeform: http://www.xaphoon.com/dataegg

21:34:59 asciilifeform: (never mass produced)

21:35:14 asciilifeform: at some point you have to ask, what problem are you actually solving by building pocket computer

21:35:44 mircea_popescu: word.

21:35:58 mircea_popescu: maybe if i had a really small pet person, like 6 inches tall or so.

21:36:05 mircea_popescu: they could have a big iron

21:36:08 benkay: more compute near more people

21:36:17 benkay: hedonic treadmill

21:36:21 benkay: gameboy ain't enough

21:36:36 mircea_popescu: i vote decimation "worst internet connection of #b-a"

21:37:01 asciilifeform: what's he using? ip over wood-fired dead goat ?

21:37:35 decimation: I use these guys https://www.witopia.net/

21:37:36 assbot: WiTopia Personal VPN Services Providers. Easily unblock Skype, Hulu, Netflix and Facebook - WiTopia

21:37:50 decimation: for some reason the openvpn client on linux lags to shit constantly

21:38:17 asciilifeform: i still don't get the point of connecting to freenode using a spam proxy

21:38:22 mircea_popescu: +1

21:38:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0684999 = 0.822 BTC [+]

21:38:48 decimation: I guess I don't like the idea of my actual IP being spammed everywhere

21:38:57 mircea_popescu: so get a cloak

21:39:31 mircea_popescu: "the leading provider of home technology services"

21:39:37 mircea_popescu: da fuck is that, like white goods ?

21:40:00 decimation: ascii, you don't even cloak - I assume it's because you want to examine that which buzzes into your pot?

21:40:12 asciilifeform: decimation: among other reasons

21:40:27 decimation: I think they market to military deployed overseas in countries that have firewalls

21:40:30 asciilifeform: this is eerily reminiscent of the discussion about folks who use their given names, vs. 'hard' pseudonyms

21:40:50 asciilifeform: decimation: such countries typically add public vpn companies to ban list

21:40:57 decimation: heh, the smart ones do

21:41:14 asciilifeform: solution is to have a privately owned box in a 'friendly' ip block to tunnel from

21:41:23 decimation: exactly

21:41:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, everyone at earlier mentioned brunch was floored. "but that is your real name ?!" "yeah" "but... but... but everyone uses a pseudonym" "i don't give a shit" *silence*

21:41:32 asciilifeform: lol

21:41:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15060 @ 0.00080262 = 12.0875 BTC [-] {2}

21:41:49 mircea_popescu: i imagine it must suck to have a job working for idiots.

21:42:41 asciilifeform: public vpn is like a public reusable condom in whorehouse

21:42:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00080142 = 6.5716 BTC [-]

21:42:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that dataegg thing looks like the earlier nutso kbd

21:42:50 benkay: my insurance guy won't even ride his bike naked in the naked bike ride

21:42:53 benkay: o.O

21:43:03 benkay: goes anyways.

21:43:23 mircea_popescu: wtf

21:43:29 mircea_popescu: small cock ?

21:43:47 decimation: I've always been confused why "device" makers don't integrate morse code into the phone/pad/whatever

21:43:52 benkay: american puritanism.

21:44:01 benkay: "my clients, you see."

21:44:09 mircea_popescu: decimation keyboard with tickler on side would be pretty rad.

21:44:23 benkay: homeboy is brokering insurance deals for the queer community left right and sideways. yet..."my clients".

21:44:26 mircea_popescu: benkay i bet you an all naked insurance company'd make a killing

21:44:36 mircea_popescu: "we're not stealing from you - we wouldn't have where to hide it"

21:45:13 mircea_popescu: hire a dozen or so models/webcam girls, all the other womenz'd fall right in line

21:45:19 mircea_popescu: "o, but *everyone* does it"

21:46:09 decimation: you can buy a tactile watch http://gearhungry.com/2013/07/bradley-tactile-watch.html#!1Q8pl

21:46:10 assbot: Bradley Tactile Watch | GearHungry

21:46:33 benkay: gotta say i ain't got no clue as to how nudity'd sell insurance.

21:46:43 benkay: it's not like the underwriters office is anywhere near the customers.

21:48:04 mircea_popescu: then WHAT DIFF DOES IT MAKE

21:48:15 mircea_popescu: you see you have fallen right into my little trap!11

21:48:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00080142 = 10.7791 BTC [-]

21:48:58 *: benkay wriggles frantically in the sticky ropes

21:49:07 decimation: re: public vpn: yeah but it keeps the ankelbiters away, kinda

21:49:09 benkay: aw fuck here we go again

21:50:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0684999 = 1.507 BTC [+] {2}

21:53:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5090 @ 0.00080142 = 4.0792 BTC [-]

22:02:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06848 = 0.8902 BTC [-]

22:03:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0675 = 1.9575 BTC [-]

22:03:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00080117 = 2.5637 BTC [-]

22:04:29 moiety: spending time reading logs keeps ankle biters away

22:05:02 moiety: you can put number on things like age but its really a dedication thing

22:05:39 moiety: am i teling myself that as a delusional spinster?!

22:05:54 moiety: i believe this tho

22:07:27 mircea_popescu: moiety depends how you mean it specifically ?

22:08:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00080117 = 3.3649 BTC [-]

22:09:55 moiety: in terms of learning stuff here, i guess so mircea_popescu, but i have found in across board. there's some people i would hire that are half the age of those i wouldn't

22:10:13 moiety: it across the board*

22:10:20 mircea_popescu: well yeah

22:11:08 moiety: this past year has been my first steps into managing those online, irl its a lot easier and a very different

22:12:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.0675 = 4.7925 BTC [-]

22:13:30 moiety: well that was maybe a wrong thing to say.... managing people irl is maybe easier if youre used to it

22:14:49 mircea_popescu: irl you also have tits.

22:15:06 decimation: wow it was easier to get a cloak than I figured it would be

22:15:24 mircea_popescu: mthreat http://www.quickmeme.com/img/4d/4d01d28147bdc6ffbb6feb6c576a7745f0935c8a523201ea11981c8c41b5ba9d.jpg

22:15:28 mircea_popescu: yes.

22:15:31 moiety: you just have to hang around decimation

22:16:18 moiety: mircea_popescu: well maybe thats why i was given a chance at being a good pa, but it doesnt mean you can deliver

22:18:23 mircea_popescu: moiety don't you find people tend to be less argumentative ?

22:18:46 mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=i+have+the+tits+i+make+the+rules style.

22:18:47 assbot: i have the tits i make the rules - Google Search

22:19:37 decimation: re: age: I've found that "adult children" are common in the us anyway

22:20:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0008012 = 13.5403 BTC [+] {2}

22:21:02 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/7f6943a23f0f408017552998442a9486/tumblr_mry28vfvYa1qdoxp5o1_500.jpg << fixed ?

22:21:35 moiety: not at all mircea_popescu it's actually a good test for me, tells me how someone would be to work with. if the argument is articulate, it makes a huge difference right?

22:21:46 mircea_popescu: right.

22:23:42 moiety: as an organiser, i find it rude telling me how to run things without a decent backup argument/reason and here are plenty that try. its just a hmnmo thx but i take note of the ideas

22:24:04 moiety: there are plenty that try*

22:25:18 moiety: ! publio

22:25:28 moiety: !publio

22:25:51 moiety: assbot, cmon just forgive me eh

22:26:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00080125 = 15.6244 BTC [+]

22:27:37 TheNewDeal: no need for up now?

22:27:42 TheNewDeal: just ! ?

22:28:07 benkay: ! publio

22:28:15 benkay: !publio

22:28:21 benkay: !up publio

22:28:25 benkay: !down publio

22:28:25 publio: not sure..

22:28:41 benkay: ! khersonus

22:28:51 benkay: *shrug*

22:29:39 mircea_popescu: odd

22:30:05 mircea_popescu: and down is broked ?

22:30:07 mircea_popescu: !down publio

22:30:13 benkay: !up CoalPowerGorilla

22:30:14 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot publio

22:30:14 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask publio!~publio@c-68-61-150-36.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user publio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=publio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=publio | Rated since: Sun Apr 15 23:05:03 2012

22:30:17 mircea_popescu: oic

22:30:17 benkay: !down CoalPowerGorilla

22:30:35 mircea_popescu: publio had you self-voiced coincidentally just as moiety was derping ?

22:30:51 publio: did it just to spite :)

22:30:55 mircea_popescu: oic

22:31:00 benkay: clever m'lad

22:32:57 TheNewDeal: that's ridiculous. Had me going

22:33:48 mircea_popescu: "And more to the point here, it is the reason why women often feel that men have "the upper hand" in relationships. That feeling doesn't exist because men are dominant over women or have some kind of real advantage; it is just because men are strongly motivated by sex, and therefore get into relationships with girls they don't really care about - or at least, they get into relationships with girls who care more about t

22:33:49 mircea_popescu: hem than they do about the girls, even if only by a small amount. In other words, men only have the upper hand because they have this tendency to play below their league."

22:34:04 mircea_popescu: intriguing theory off random derpy blog http://www.therulesrevisited.com/2011/10/upper-hand-in-relationships.html

22:34:04 assbot: The Rules Revisited: The Upper Hand In Relationships

22:34:58 benkay: those post-25 year old females punch below their weight too - only way to recruit a provider at that phase of life.

22:35:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/five-bucks-for-great-justice/

22:35:28 benkay: going back to yesterdays conversation about the dearth of leadership and stones etc

22:35:34 mircea_popescu: sure. and he goes into full retard mode right after, proposing that somehow "not givingit up easy" helps a woman's position.

22:36:00 mircea_popescu: it so happens that i won't even consider women that don't, i'm pretty sure the top generally doesn't, and so it's a quite dangerous strat.

22:39:50 benkay: well if we can rathole on the evolutionary psychology thing playing hard to get raises the bar for potential impregnators.

22:40:02 benkay: "gotta work for it", or raep.

22:40:52 mircea_popescu: if she doesn't have thesense to realise she's accidentally run into the absolute best, she can't be all that smart in the first place.

22:40:55 mircea_popescu: who wants dummies ?

22:41:47 benkay: judging competence is hard, though. ergo heuristics like playing hard to get.

22:42:07 benkay: obvs the top of the top enjellify legs without really even trying

22:42:25 benkay: but...0.01% oslt

22:43:06 mircea_popescu: well yeah. but by playing hard to get you may get +10 on your average catch, but also get the guarantee you're never getting in the bed of that 0.whatever%

22:43:09 thestringpuller: sluts who play hard to get: oxymoron or profound truth?

22:43:12 mircea_popescu: this also isn't a very good strat.

22:43:31 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah, that's ancient whore strat. i even wrote it up im pretty sure

22:43:36 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters whore strat

22:43:37 gribble: Back to work, whore. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/back-to-work-whore; Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin ... - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/; Iulie 2013 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/07

22:44:05 thestringpuller: the former or latter?

22:44:11 thestringpuller: i assume "back to work whore"

22:44:25 benkay: relatedly, lady v and i were saying goodbyes at a dinner party last night, all of the girls with whom i'm friends with at this thing lined up for hugs and kisses - and then the new girl in the room gets up and right in line as well, demanding hers giggling and blushing all the while

22:44:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00079943 = 2.4383 BTC [-]

22:44:53 mircea_popescu: hmm now i can't find it.

22:45:05 thestringpuller: benkay: "OMG I smelle riches and success. *blush blush blush*. I want a hug now!!!!"

22:45:14 benkay: basically

22:45:20 thestringpuller: did lady benkay choke a bitch?

22:45:48 benkay: no no she's an instigator

22:46:13 thestringpuller: instagator how? Like "you should get some hugs from them cute girls" ?

22:46:44 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the idea being that an utter whore denying the pack leader any fucking has a decent chance to drive him mad and end up in some sort of "that obscure object of desire " situation.

22:47:18 mircea_popescu: basically her refusal to give him what she gives the whole pack is a slight, but one he has no redress for : she's already an outcast.

22:48:09 benkay: thestringpuller: more like she gets the girls primed

22:48:22 benkay: mp has better stories on this.

22:48:35 benkay: and it's lady v to you, sir.

22:48:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0670032 = 1.3401 BTC [+] {3}

22:48:59 mircea_popescu: benkay so did she feel girls butt while hugging ?

22:49:20 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> benkay: "OMG I smelle riches and success. *blush blush blush*. I want a hug now!!!!" << dun be an asshole, maybe she's just fun loving.

22:50:25 benkay: maybe she's just doing what all the other girls are doing

22:50:50 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I've been surrounded by 20 year olds for the past decade...they always want something...

22:51:14 mircea_popescu: well of coursethey want something. all living things want stuff.

22:51:42 benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay so did she feel girls butt while hugging ? // no but great idea

22:51:47 benkay: great butt idea

22:51:50 benkay: <3

22:51:51 benkay: butts

22:51:57 benkay: $bait

22:52:02 benkay: $butts

22:52:24 mircea_popescu: experience.

22:52:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23220 @ 0.0007988 = 18.5481 BTC [-] {2}

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23:01:58 thestringpuller: !mpif

23:02:00 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]

23:03:02 mircea_popescu: so actually trading under nav huh

23:03:33 benkay: mike called it yesterday

23:03:39 benkay: mike_c

23:04:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14181 @ 0.00080132 = 11.3635 BTC [+] {2}

23:04:25 thestringpuller: !ticker m f.mpif

23:04:25 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (500 shares, 0.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.0002165 / 0.00021726 (26680 shares, 5.78 BTC)

23:11:51 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/chipmunk.jpg

23:12:35 benkay: guest?

23:13:06 mircea_popescu: nah just random fraudsters pic. from http://www.laurieandcicero.com/index.html

23:13:07 assbot: Laurie & Cicero's Favorite Spots

23:14:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/argentina-and-the-art-of-being-into-it/

23:19:09 benkay: that's what i like about portland as well

23:19:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00080036 = 1.3606 BTC [-]

23:19:31 benkay: people are into their stuff entirely unabashedly. although here, it's knitting sweaters for trees and not sawing off epic hunks of meat.

23:19:51 benkay: or...performing Original Star Trek in graveyards.

23:20:00 mircea_popescu: wait.

23:20:03 mircea_popescu: for trees ?!

23:20:13 benkay: or the World Naked Bike Ride, or Pedalpalooza in general.

23:20:20 benkay: you'll see them down in bsas as well.

23:20:38 benkay: just a different kind of street art.

23:20:45 benkay: oh and not just trees - bike staples as well.

23:21:31 mircea_popescu: hm

23:21:48 *: benkay waits for the scathing critique of all things America

23:27:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16918 @ 0.00080091 = 13.5498 BTC [+] {2}

23:28:58 thestringpuller: benkay: are you surrounded by hippies in your city?

23:29:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-] {2}

23:32:35 mircea_popescu: " Lisp is not the kind of language that insecure losers would use. people do not want to learn Lisp because they stand a better chance of beating another unskilled fool in the job race. fact is: you don't get a job by lying about your Lisp skills. all of this means that there is very little activity at the front gate, where all the journalists and the media are. there are no people struggling like mad to ge

23:32:36 mircea_popescu: t into the Lisp world. they don't have to. if you want to learn Lisp, you go learn Lisp and talk to nice people who probably have time for you, and you make yourself good at it. then you go do complex stuff that insecure losers who lie about their Java skills can't even imagine, and therefore do not consider part of the competition."

23:32:41 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy how accurate this is.

23:32:47 mircea_popescu: not necessarily about lisp

23:52:39 benkay: thestringpuller: transients come, transients go. part of the nature of...transients.

23:53:28 benkay: there are a lot of underemployed hipster girls about tho - and none of 'em can make a life where they can afford babies in the states anymore. ergo, tree-sweaters.

23:53:43 benkay: dunno what's going on down in buenos aires tho.

23:53:56 mircea_popescu: sad.

23:54:01 mircea_popescu: women here can have kids, yes.

23:54:20 benkay: families also paint great big huge murals on their intersections to slow cars down.

23:54:32 benkay: it's a weird place, but that's why i like it.

23:55:39 *: moiety urgh is all i have to say

23:55:58 mircea_popescu: "dead or dying software projects lie around all over the place, like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers"

23:56:01 mircea_popescu: beautiful.

23:57:15 Mats_cd03: 17:14:14 mircea_popescu: i live in fear of this, btw, one of these days one of you assholes is going to script the noob and then i'll have to close down the whole operation ;/

23:57:20 Mats_cd03: gems abound in today's log

23:58:04 mircea_popescu: you ain't seen nothin' yet Mats_cd03