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00:00:36 mircea_popescu: but if it makes you feel any better, they were never populat here. not that ct ever was.

00:03:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 99 @ 0.04203706 = 4.1617 BTC [-] {6}

00:03:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty lulzy

00:07:35 mircea_popescu: cedivad: Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that. << that'd be unlikely. depends a lot of the jurisdiction and everything, but in general speaking the manager can just say "we have no more money" and that's that. he doesn't have to prove how he spent it. you may prove he misspent it and then it could escalate to fraud, but in general, in a bankruptcy, a manager is not going t

00:07:35 mircea_popescu: o have to prove shit.

00:08:57 mike_c: knc, relatively speaking, is on the ball. last week they shipped (300 x 3) = 900 TH/s, and a similar amount over the next week.

00:09:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00077799 = 11.5143 BTC [-]

00:09:14 mike_c: in other news, over *twenty* petahashes have come online in the last week or so

00:09:23 mike_c: what. the. fuck.

00:09:42 mircea_popescu: people realising they're getting left out.

00:09:51 mike_c: where is it coming from??

00:10:07 mircea_popescu: by mid summer every government with pretensions will be mining.

00:10:54 mike_c: who else could it be. this is serious horsepower.

00:11:27 mike_c: hey TheNewDeal. by the way. don't bet against difficulty.

00:11:39 mircea_popescu: mike_c people interested in mysteries will now go into the logs to see when i first made certain unsubstantiated claims and then apply engineering timeframes to the window ellapsed.

00:11:48 mike_c: quite awhile ago.

00:12:03 mike_c: plus, it's easy now! search.b-a ftw

00:12:20 mircea_popescu: yeah, quite a while ago. enough to ship 3 generations of cardano :D

00:12:24 mike_c: hehe

00:13:24 TheNewDeal: mike_c why did this need to be repeated?

00:13:37 TheNewDeal: I thought that you and BB were betting against, and I was for 14B

00:13:46 mike_c: seemed relevant. not a dig.

00:14:25 TheNewDeal: Trust me, I have learned my lessons

00:14:53 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Germany will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/931/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.82942216 BTC. Current weight: 16,720.

00:15:56 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust TheNewDeal

00:15:57 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!465aebee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user TheNewDeal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=TheNewDeal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014

00:16:09 mircea_popescu: not trusting you! you've not learned your lessons!

00:16:10 mircea_popescu: ha-ha!

00:16:19 TheNewDeal: I'm currently learning my lesson

00:16:28 mircea_popescu: aok

00:16:36 TheNewDeal: I'll get in your trust network sometime

00:16:45 TheNewDeal: just need to find a trustworthy event

00:17:07 TheNewDeal: ;;gettrust assbot bitcoinpete

00:17:14 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014

00:21:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/24/world-cup-meets-bitbet-court-of-appeals/

00:26:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00077486 = 8.6009 BTC [-] {2}

00:28:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/24/world-cup-meets-bitbets-court-of-appeals/

00:36:18 []bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.27207284 BTC. Current weight: 16,620.

00:36:22 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.83257221 BTC. Current weight: 54,944.

00:38:08 cazalla: bitcoinpete: fwiw, i was going to bet on the same one but didn't as i thought it was borderline and likely to be refunded

00:38:36 kakobrekla: look what you have done now mp

00:40:27 mircea_popescu: myeah.

00:40:50 mircea_popescu: dun worry, this is just to give them a false sense of security.

00:41:00 mircea_popescu: we scam everyone later.

00:42:12 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Portugal will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/932/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.63982192 BTC. Current weight: 16,591.

00:45:02 kakobrekla: oh ok, good plan

00:53:47 TheNewDeal: what'd I miss?!

00:54:44 TheNewDeal: oooh the World cup controversey

00:54:57 TheNewDeal: who was the better with the idea to keep bets going until the last moment?

00:55:41 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/a44db4db295f2f711f3d0a3f325bcd1a/tumblr_mwqi95H55y1s0tgwso1_1280.jpg her ?

00:55:48 []bot: Bet placed: 1.93 BTC for No on "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.20207284 BTC. Current weight: 16,528.

00:56:24 TheNewDeal: ooooh getting me excited for my rock climbing trip next weekend

00:56:44 TheNewDeal: I'll show her an expert crack climb

00:56:57 mircea_popescu: lol

00:57:04 mircea_popescu: so ripe for linguistic exploitation that

00:57:20 cazalla: you're climbing a rock monyanna?

00:57:33 mircea_popescu: no, he's clinging to a crack

00:57:55 mircea_popescu: the crack that separates limb from limb

00:59:13 TheNewDeal: I'm rock climbing around 4th of July weekend. not next

00:59:15 TheNewDeal: wups

00:59:47 TheNewDeal: headed to land of smoker's paradise

01:07:29 TheNewDeal: pretty disappointed that I wasn't the winner of the bitbet adjudicating record with my bitcon price above $525 in may bet. seems like there was a little bit of leniency with this sports bets with the date adjustments

01:10:08 mircea_popescu: there was

01:10:23 mircea_popescu: whats an adjudication record ?

01:11:15 TheNewDeal: in bitcoinpetes blog it looked like you said you or kako had never adjudicated on a bitbet

01:11:26 cazalla: betting mid game of 3rd match is still a risk though if it's an hour until the block is confirmed, that's the other reason i avoid mid game bets

01:12:27 mircea_popescu: cazalla this is true

01:13:05 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well, it's the mod's job. they normally do a good job of it, but not always.

01:13:20 TheNewDeal: my case was a little iffy regardless

01:13:40 TheNewDeal: last minute bet on a price cross

01:14:58 mircea_popescu: (previous case like that was hmmm

01:15:00 mircea_popescu: lemme dig for it

01:15:41 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-anatomy-of-a-disaster/

01:15:42 assbot: The anatomy of a disaster pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:15:45 mircea_popescu: there, about a year ago

01:17:26 TheNewDeal: damn

01:17:36 TheNewDeal: should have made a bet that was "bitbet will allow another negative bet"

01:19:20 TheNewDeal: latest urge to impulse bet is the FHM bet. Last year's sum was so high!

01:20:37 TheNewDeal: well not super high, but the winners made like 3X payout.

01:24:15 cazalla: TheNewDeal: do you bet to have some fun with it type shit or are you the sorta guy that knows the bounce you get off different sort of wood on basketball courts?

01:24:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19489 @ 0.00077654 = 15.134 BTC [+] {2}

01:24:55 TheNewDeal: well I played basketball and up until 8th grade and wasn't good enough to make it on the freshman team

01:24:59 TheNewDeal: no basketball analogy fails

01:25:47 TheNewDeal: I'm the type of person that stays away from everything at the casino that designed to make you lose on purpose, and heads straight to the poker tables

01:26:21 TheNewDeal: take said bet here

01:26:22 TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/727/block-315k-mined-on-or-before-july-28th/

01:26:23 assbot: BitBet - Block 315k mined on or before July 28th :: 0.44 B (5%) on Yes, 8.39 B (95%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 5 days | weight: 15`645 (100`000 to 5`000)

01:26:47 TheNewDeal: I bet *very* late in the game

01:27:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00077355 = 10.0562 BTC [-] {2}

01:27:26 TheNewDeal: but I knew what the return would be. I also looked at the return for people who might have a much larger BTC stake than myself

01:28:04 TheNewDeal: was quite sure that no larger bets would come on the same side. Made sure that the outcome was a rare event, and felt very confident in betting

01:29:26 cazalla: what's your best bet?

01:29:53 TheNewDeal: to date, will be 14B in may

01:30:03 cazalla: this one paid ok considering i only bet chump change amounts http://bitbet.us/bet/832/difficulty-at-block-302-400-over-10-billion/

01:30:03 assbot: BitBet - Difficulty at block 302,400 over 10 billion :: 0.05 B (11%) on Yes, 0.43 B (89%) on No | closed 1 month 1 week ago

01:30:10 TheNewDeal: urrr not may, but bastille day

01:30:21 cazalla: shame more people didn't bet on that prop though

01:30:26 TheNewDeal: shhhh

01:30:29 TheNewDeal: that's me you're raping

01:30:42 cazalla: orly?

01:30:49 TheNewDeal: very poorly designed bet if I might add

01:31:06 TheNewDeal: was my first approved

01:31:46 cazalla: i'm hoping a win on the knc bet but expect to lose given criteria even though they've begun shipping

01:32:07 TheNewDeal: well don't they also have to perform to spec?

01:32:28 cazalla: yes that too

01:33:30 TheNewDeal: best resolved bet to date was this I guess. http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/#b27 12% return over a 24 hr period :D

01:33:30 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price above $525 before May :: 10.29 B (87%) on Yes, 1.51 B (13%) on No | closed 2 months 1 week ago

01:34:14 TheNewDeal: I guess it wasn't really that large though if you add in my late bet that was refunded as well

01:34:28 kakobrekla: bitcoinpete did like 30% in less than an hour ?

01:35:11 TheNewDeal: well thats pretty fucking fantastic if you ask me

01:36:49 TheNewDeal: I'm trying to get away from the risky bets myself

01:37:16 TheNewDeal: played too much with the price bets when I started and just ended up making little for risking lots

01:37:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00077394 = 6.0367 BTC [+]

01:37:43 TheNewDeal: ewww

01:39:45 TheNewDeal: On a slightly different topic. Was the Nanking massacre related to the Treaty of Versailles ? Was talking about the Nanking massacre just the other day at work with someone, he was talking about the Nazis being involved, and I didn't realize Germany had given Japan some land in China a couple decades before

01:45:28 mircea_popescu: mthreat why does neither http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tumblr.com nor http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tumblr match http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2014#731499 even though the former matches http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#713703 (and how come they don't both match that).

01:45:28 assbot: 7 results for 'tumblr.com' - #bitcoin-assets search

01:45:29 assbot: 44 results for 'tumblr' - #bitcoin-assets search

01:45:30 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:45:30 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:47:53 mthreat: the former is not indexed yet

01:48:27 mthreat: I indexed an hour or so ago

01:49:10 []bot: Bet created: "Berkshire Hathaway BRK-B to close at over $135 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/964/

01:49:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-do-you-have-for-breakfast/

01:49:32 mircea_popescu: mthreat but if you look, plenty of similar links yest

01:50:28 mircea_popescu: i think there's some sort of funk in url tokenization maybe

01:52:08 asciilifeform: https://atc.waroflife.com << neato

01:52:09 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!

01:52:09 mthreat: ah yeah. "tumblr.com" matches 7 because those 7 have "/tumblr_xyz" in the url, which gets tokenized so it has the token "tumblr"

01:52:44 mthreat: ^ wait nevermind what i just said

01:53:03 mike_c: what a title

01:53:16 mircea_popescu: yay

01:53:26 mircea_popescu: so yes dear investors, http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.WOL

01:53:27 assbot: S.WOL last @0.00000000

01:53:29 mircea_popescu: won't last long.

01:54:31 mthreat: mircea_popescu: yeah it looks like url tokenization just isn't very smart

01:54:37 asciilifeform: congrats mike_c

01:54:53 mike_c: thanks!

01:54:59 mircea_popescu: mthreat i suggest just break urls on all nonalphanum

01:55:02 mthreat: mircea_popescu: best bet is probably use: tumblr*

01:55:06 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mike_c

01:55:07 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mike_c: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 23 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013

01:55:23 mircea_popescu: ;;rated mike_c

01:55:23 gribble: You rated user mike_c on Tue May 27 19:08:51 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Model blogger, dev..

01:56:03 mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard on Bitcoin media.

01:56:03 gribble: Error: "We're" is not a valid integer.

01:56:04 kakobrekla: o nice, congrats to both

01:56:07 mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c 3 We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard on Bitcoin media.

01:56:08 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.

01:56:32 mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c 3 We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard for Bitcoin reporting.

01:56:34 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.

01:56:38 mircea_popescu: clearer. mazel tov

01:56:57 mircea_popescu: also, here's a chick having a fun. http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo9uzpIrRb1qmf4cto1_1280.jpg

02:03:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe add webirc to here on contact form ?

02:04:14 mike_c: if channel so desires. didn't want to impose without asking.

02:04:34 mike_c: s/desires/allows/

02:04:55 TheNewDeal: ooooh my this GoW looks interesting

02:05:29 TheNewDeal: %ticker

02:05:31 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216

02:05:33 mircea_popescu: well people can just pm you. with the voice rules, it';s unlikely anyone can bother anything

02:05:43 mike_c: ok

02:11:30 TheNewDeal: who owns x-bt?

02:13:27 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic

02:16:48 TheNewDeal: really liking this site

02:17:23 mircea_popescu: should be fun to play.

02:19:37 TheNewDeal: seems like a very advanced way to... lose money

02:20:01 TheNewDeal: looking for previous games though, can't find them

02:20:03 mike_c: there's free money in every GoW.

02:20:40 TheNewDeal: Watch some of the old games to get a feel for things, and then dive in!

02:20:43 TheNewDeal: can i get a linky?

02:20:53 mike_c: from home page, see 'finished' game on left

02:21:06 mike_c: also sample game linked in help section

02:21:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.kp.ru/ ahahah this still exists!

02:21:17 assbot: KP.RU , , -, - // KP.RU

02:21:27 mike_c: but i will link that line too. good feedback.

02:23:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.kp.ru/daily/26247/3127963/

02:23:49 assbot: - // KP.RU

02:25:03 TheNewDeal: should pay someone to put up some signs at MIT advertising this WoL

02:25:07 mircea_popescu: is that some sort of show trial ?

02:25:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only! they have a net stream radio!

02:25:17 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal indeed.

02:25:31 mike_c: ;;calc 5 / [ticker --last]

02:25:32 gribble: 0.00872585120679

02:25:38 mike_c: cheap advertising :)

02:26:59 TheNewDeal: what happens to GoW once 1000 blocks are through? Turns into a Mini Game?

02:27:04 mircea_popescu: so these kids had a sort of fight club ?

02:27:10 mike_c: it's over, next game starts.

02:27:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: says they plugged a journalist

02:28:04 mike_c: easiest way to get into is to try it. ATC are cheap.

02:28:18 BingoBoingo: %ticker

02:28:19 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216

02:28:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.22615217 = 8.3676 BTC [+] {16}

02:28:35 BingoBoingo: %diff

02:28:36 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 511511.43 in 1997 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 0.00

02:28:54 BingoBoingo: OMG No pool hoppers.

02:29:05 mike_c: yet

02:29:13 TheNewDeal: I'm not worried about the price of ATC, already checked up on that

02:29:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.2300909 = 2.531 BTC [+] {2}

02:29:35 mike_c: not as cheap as doge, but, hey.

02:29:38 TheNewDeal: I'm wondering if the Game of Life just restarts every "week", or if some other cellular automata game will replace it

02:29:54 mike_c: Game of the Week restarts every 1000 blocks

02:30:01 mike_c: home page on the left is a link to next week's game

02:30:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.231 = 0.924 BTC [+]

02:30:49 mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> seems like a very advanced way to... lose money << bout 1%.

02:30:57 mircea_popescu: icecream is a less advanced way to lose money.

02:31:16 TheNewDeal: hahaha truth

02:31:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00077359 = 12.5708 BTC [-] {3}

02:31:35 mircea_popescu: after all, you could just inject glucose

02:31:45 TheNewDeal: not seeing said link mike_c

02:31:57 TheNewDeal: this is homepage, correct https://atc.waroflife.com/?

02:31:57 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!

02:32:47 mike_c: yeah. game 8 on left/top is last week's game. below that, game 10, is next week's game.

02:33:06 TheNewDeal: ahhh I gotcha

02:33:14 mike_c: and by "week" i mean 1000 blocks.

02:33:28 TheNewDeal: what I'm wondering is this. How many 1000 block games will be played?

02:33:35 mike_c: hopefully infinite.

02:34:41 mike_c: make sense at all? every 1000 blocks a new game starts?

02:34:53 TheNewDeal: yes

02:35:24 TheNewDeal: just confused me with the name Game of Week, thought there might be a totally different game next week

02:35:33 TheNewDeal: and GoL would turn into a minigame or something

02:36:03 mike_c: it is not as simple as dice, but hopefully some find it fun.

02:36:26 TheNewDeal: most definitely. I think it will appeal to the btc crowd

02:36:46 mircea_popescu: !up Illumination

02:36:58 TheNewDeal: gotta head to bed though

02:37:00 csshih: oops

02:37:16 mike_c: thanks for checking it out.

02:37:46 TomServo: Looks pretty cool guys, nice work.

02:38:01 TomServo: Is there a target date for the grand opening?

02:41:33 BingoBoingo: Nice work mike_c

02:42:04 mike_c: thanks bingo.

02:42:09 mike_c: TomServo: not yet

02:44:04 Vexual: neato, I like how there isn't an eplilepsy warning

02:44:32 mike_c: live on the edge

02:48:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23 = 0.69 BTC [-]

03:02:20 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

03:02:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 571.52, vol: 6803.07747613 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 565.76, vol: 3725.13007 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 575.6, vol: 6506.2024117 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 580.0, vol: 48.925372 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 585.461604, vol: 2031.13920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 586.15372, vol: 2.82964216 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 571.326, vol: 35.10755019 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

03:03:11 BingoBoingo: --more

03:03:23 thestringpuller: ;;more

03:03:23 gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.

03:03:26 thestringpuller: lol

03:04:08 BingoBoingo: ;;more

03:04:09 gribble: 573.287682316

03:05:13 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers

03:05:13 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

03:07:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13044 @ 0.00077589 = 10.1207 BTC [+]

03:08:39 TomServo: ;;bc,stats

03:08:42 gribble: Current Blocks: 307671 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 776 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16578107258.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.14213

03:38:40 mircea_popescu: Vexual> neato, I like how there isn't an eplilepsy warning << lmao

03:38:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c i tell you it needs calmer colors

03:38:56 mircea_popescu: TomServo shouldn't be long now.

03:39:17 mike_c: it's the royal color!

03:42:03 bitcoinpete: howdy

03:42:18 peterl: hi ya'all

03:42:22 mircea_popescu: ola

03:44:52 Mats_cd03: TheNewDeal: no. nanking was p much like any other like pillaging, just with better records

03:45:57 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: bitcoinpete did like 30% in less than an hour ? << take that buffett ;)

03:46:05 peterl: war is hell

03:46:28 peterl: not that I would know, I try to avoid it

03:47:20 bitcoinpete: i've been getting twitter spammed all day over btcjam doing what btcjam does

03:47:52 bitcoinpete: some dood had loans made under his account without his authorization

03:47:59 bitcoinpete: nor without any authorization being required

03:48:22 mircea_popescu: got gpg, why use it.

03:48:32 bitcoinpete: not that btcjam had any reputation to speak of here, just that the word is getting out

03:48:50 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: gp…. g?

03:49:39 bitcoinpete: also: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/481610517187153920

03:49:40 assbot: What exactly is Titcoin? Find out in today's Money & Tech News Update /OfficialTitcoin http://t.co/rFCWEExhud http://t.co/ZUzHp7o7NV

03:49:56 bitcoinpete: teaching dem about buttcoins

03:50:00 mircea_popescu: lol

03:50:14 bitcoinpete: titcoins thinks there's a market for butts AND tits

03:50:18 bitcoinpete: i'm skeptical

03:51:33 mircea_popescu: i need someone to herd the naked girls for bitcoin subreddit for me

03:51:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.046 = 0.644 BTC [+]

03:52:02 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Keep the colors!

03:52:21 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: likes reddit. maybe he'll volunteer to coral 'em

03:52:36 bitcoinpete: s/coral/corral

03:52:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04734838 = 1.4678 BTC [+] {2}

03:52:53 mircea_popescu: seems to busy with his scamcoin w/e that is

03:53:41 bitcoinpete: horizontalcoin iirc

03:57:40 mircea_popescu: - http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com 57 - http://feedly.com/index.html 42

03:57:52 mircea_popescu: there you go pankkake, you beat feedly

03:59:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00077639 = 6.2111 BTC [+] {2}

04:03:38 xmj: fluffypony: are you on skype?

04:33:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00077664 = 15.0668 BTC [+]

04:54:24 wywialm: good morning

04:54:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00077664 = 5.6695 BTC [+]

04:56:12 mircea_popescu: heya

04:56:15 mircea_popescu: long time no see

04:59:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00077515 = 17.1308 BTC [-] {2}

05:06:16 BingoBoingo: %ticker

05:06:17 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 177k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243

05:06:22 BingoBoingo: %book

05:06:24 atcbot: 65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160

05:16:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21545982 = 1.2928 BTC [-] {3}

05:24:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00077664 = 14.0184 BTC [+]

05:35:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/f-derp-short-risky-bitcoin-startups/2014/06/25

05:42:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/

05:58:37 benkay: !up Vexual

06:01:41 bitcoinpete: so the world cup experiment was fruitful, if costly

06:01:48 bitcoinpete: i like the 2btc min bet

06:02:06 bitcoinpete: that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets

06:02:33 bitcoinpete: the problem with the wc is simply the number of teams

06:02:44 benkay: mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff

06:03:09 bitcoinpete: if mp had created a rolland garros bet for every single player + halep it would've been the same problem

06:03:29 bitcoinpete: having bets on "advancing" vs winning isn't ideal

06:03:43 bitcoinpete: too many advancers

06:04:05 bitcoinpete: so nao: barriers to entry

06:04:14 bitcoinpete: as ever, a wise move

06:04:31 BingoBoingo: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/dogecoin-creator-jackson-palmer-leave-dogecoin-community-calls-cult-like/2014/06/24

06:04:31 assbot: Dogecoin Creator Jackson Palmer To Leave Dogecoin Community; Calls it "Cult-Like"

06:04:40 bitcoinpete: lol BingoBoingo just saw that too

06:04:46 bitcoinpete: da redditz attacked me!

06:05:34 bitcoinpete: ok tired eyes, time for bed...

06:11:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00077568 = 5.5849 BTC [-] {2}

06:18:48 punkman: http://en.chessbase.com/post/ecu-dre-code-for-che-tournaments

06:18:48 assbot: ECU Dress Code for chess tournaments | Chess News

06:19:02 punkman: "regarding décolletés (in the US "cleavage"): "the second from the top button may be opened." And skirts may be no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knees"

06:19:12 punkman: why can't we have sexy chess

06:21:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00077638 = 10.0541 BTC [+] {2}

06:32:43 BingoBoingo: Next Inputs.io??? http://www.coindesk.com/hive-adds-litecoin-support-new-web-wallet/

06:32:43 assbot: Hive Adds Litecoin Support With New Web Wallet

06:45:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0007783 = 10.8573 BTC [+] {2}

06:47:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00077906 = 14.88 BTC [+]

06:50:23 mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets << yeah.

06:50:53 mircea_popescu: <punkman> why can't we have sexy chess << i can :D why can't you ?

06:53:15 *: punkman can't wait for MP's Naked Chess Tournament

06:53:28 punkman: full of brazilian/argentinian booty

06:54:02 mircea_popescu: lol

06:57:10 punkman: BingoBoingo: OMG No pool hoppers. << actually there's an extra TH on coinminer

06:57:19 BingoBoingo: %diff

06:57:20 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 210330.52 in 1977 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -58.88

06:57:32 BingoBoingo: OMG they left already!!!

06:57:45 BingoBoingo: %ticker

06:57:46 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 176k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243

06:59:44 mircea_popescu: <benkay> mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff <<< :D try it out!

07:00:57 BingoBoingo: %book

07:00:58 atcbot: 65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160

07:04:51 benkay: mircea_popescu: mebbe later - in the meantime i'm enjoying the luxury of going to sleep at midnightish

07:05:06 mircea_popescu: hehe

07:13:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00077906 = 8.1801 BTC [+]

07:13:12 mircea_popescu: !up [Jan]

07:14:06 benkay: apropos of the bash bombs discussed earlier, my favorite part about computanium is how ls'ing in a directory with lots of things will cripple a server

07:14:13 benkay: can*

07:14:46 mircea_popescu: what sort of lots ?

07:15:22 mircea_popescu: unless the drive is shitty and unraided that shouldn't really happen. besides, you shouldn't have the kernel volume shared with userspace anyway.

07:18:05 extra: http://data.mtgox.com/api/2/LTCUSD/money/ticker

07:18:07 extra: LTC confirmed

07:18:33 benkay: 40k iirc, and it was on a shitty cloud drive to boot.

07:18:37 mircea_popescu: ahahha what

07:18:50 mircea_popescu: $depth s.wol

07:18:51 empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Bids: 20000 @ 0.00004100 100000 @ 0.00004000 500000 @ 0.00003500

07:18:52 empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Asks:

07:18:57 punkman: mircea_popescu: too many inodes makes ls quite slow

07:19:02 mircea_popescu: look at that mike : it's oversold.

07:21:09 mircea_popescu: punkman with or w/o writeback mount ?

07:23:10 punkman: dunno what that is, but it's reading all the entries in a dir that's slow

07:23:17 mircea_popescu: (not that you couldn't call getdents by yourself bypassing the 16kb buffer or whatever fucktarded limit readdir does)

07:23:51 mircea_popescu: mkay, in sum : this problem is an artefact of using butter knife to mix concrete rather than any problem of the concrete.

07:27:01 punkman: fun tip: if you have a shitload of octopus, cement mixer is a good way to tenderize them

07:27:15 mircea_popescu: o.O

07:36:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00077463 = 13.7884 BTC [-] {2}

07:37:35 xmj: Hi.

07:37:50 xmj: punkman: how many kg are we talking?

07:41:27 punkman: xmj, dunno maybe 10-20kg in small portable mixer, more if you get the truck version :P

07:41:52 xmj: hahaha

07:42:01 xmj: I wonder, how do you heat the truck version.

07:42:07 xmj: Flamethrower, because awesome?

07:45:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33694 @ 0.00078134 = 26.3265 BTC [+] {3}

08:11:57 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664691.0

08:11:57 assbot: Fight FUD and Scams with social media for trading cryptocurrencies

08:38:13 pankkake: http://proscamming.0-host.net/

08:38:14 assbot: --- * ~~~ Professional Scamming ~~~ * ---

09:02:34 davout: pankkake: i don't see no twitter bootstrap, not investing

09:07:38 davout: what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ?

09:08:42 davout: or to state the question a bit differently, what's the current market price of mining power?

09:12:22 jurov: davout: cex.io says one GH/s is 0.0075 BTC

09:13:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20501668 = 2.0502 BTC [-] {4}

09:13:44 davout: thanks, i want to do a rough back of the envelope estimate of what kind of investment the recent diff increases imply

09:14:21 davout: ;;calc 0.0075*20*1000000

09:14:21 gribble: 150000

09:14:30 pankkake: cex is priced rationally?

09:14:47 davout: ;;calc 150000*600

09:14:47 gribble: 90000000

09:16:01 davout: pankkake: what's your best way to estimate?

09:16:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.201 = 1.005 BTC [-]

09:16:28 pankkake: I don't know

09:19:13 jurov: pankkake is anything priced rationally? Not in BTC, at least.

09:26:32 jurov: S.WOL added to coinbr

09:26:36 jurov: yay for mike_c

09:29:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00081608 = 11.9964 BTC [+]

10:19:42 punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664614.0

10:19:42 assbot: [NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200%

10:45:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.202 = 6.868 BTC [+]

10:51:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.19942857 = 1.396 BTC [-] {3}

10:59:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4073 @ 0.00082529 = 3.3614 BTC [+]

11:19:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00082369 = 7.4445 BTC [-] {2}

11:23:36 moiety: mewning!

11:43:30 pankkake: ;;later tell davout http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/290rph/coming_soon_ghs_price_on_cexio_will_crash/cigicgh

11:43:31 assbot: IkmoIkmo comments on coming soon- GH/s price on cex.io will crash

11:43:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:50:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00081703 = 0.6536 BTC [-]

11:51:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081642 = 4.327 BTC [-]

12:02:41 moiety: 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/

12:20:36 dub: trusting an LEC commit!

12:27:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14406 @ 0.00081893 = 11.7975 BTC [+] {2}

12:51:02 BingoBoingo: %diff

12:51:03 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 252691.36 in 1949 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -50.60

12:54:50 davout: pankkake: thx!

13:03:02 davout: still wondering how i could get the closest to reality when calculating how much it'd cost to bring an extra PH/s to the network

13:05:29 davout: closest i can think of is take the current best rig that actually sells and use that as basis

13:06:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00081385 = 4.3541 BTC [-]

13:11:27 ThickAsThieves: i imagine it'd be hard to just buy 1PH, everyone does preorders, isnt Rockminer selling units for ASICMINER around now?

13:12:34 ThickAsThieves: Rocket Box 450G-490G 480W[shipping around 27th,June] 990mbtc each if you buy 4 units

13:12:57 ThickAsThieves: 1PH would surely be cheaper if you contacted them to make arrangements

13:13:13 ThickAsThieves: (cheaper rate)

13:14:36 davout: ThickAsThieves: i see, i'm not really trying to be very precise here, just a ballpark estimate for the recent ~47PH/s increase

13:15:06 ThickAsThieves: $1m

13:15:10 ThickAsThieves: for 1 PH

13:15:15 ThickAsThieves: by my napkin math

13:15:27 ThickAsThieves: maybe discount is deeper at that size i dunno

13:16:14 ThickAsThieves: altough the costs to set that much gear up and run it for a bit would surely add up fast

13:16:54 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

13:16:56 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.56, Best ask: 561.08, Bid-ask spread: 3.52000, Last trade: 561.11, 24 hour volume: 9245.61146986, 24 hour low: 555.11, 24 hour high: 587.95, 24 hour vwap: 572.508947449

13:17:07 ThickAsThieves: the cut should be almost over...

13:19:01 davout: ThickAsThieves: yeah, when i take the chart of currently available hardware and do the math against their cost (disregarding $/kwh) $1mn/PH is the lowest i get

13:19:31 davout: actually €1.25mn/PH

13:20:29 ThickAsThieves: lotsa dough

13:21:21 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin

13:21:48 ThickAsThieves: could work out this round for people, since the money may have been spent when BTC was worth %800+

13:21:50 ThickAsThieves: $

13:25:45 mthreat: ACM world finals problems, https://icpc.kattis.com/problems

13:36:30 ThickAsThieves: "All you do is plug it into a printer's USB port, and the device uses specialized hardware to create a random number with 256-bits of entropy."

13:36:40 ThickAsThieves: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mycelium-entropy

13:36:40 assbot: Mycelium Entropy | Indiegogo

13:37:36 ThickAsThieves: ^ asciilifeform

13:39:00 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/maidsafe-lessons-learned-crowdsale/

13:39:01 assbot: MaidSafe COO Reflects on Lessons Learned from Crowdsale

13:39:10 ThickAsThieves: "BitAngels, the angel investment group which was helping out with the crowdsale, expected mastercoins to comprise no more than 25% of the overall investment. Instead, Lambert explained, they ended up making up roughly half of the investment total."

13:39:23 ThickAsThieves: “A lot of people questioned why we would use two currencies, and looking back we [should] have used one.”

13:39:31 ThickAsThieves: maybe thatll be on his grave

13:49:29 davout: full chart if anyone is interested : http://i.imgur.com/TpCGCOk.png

13:50:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0479 = 0.958 BTC [-]

13:52:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00081411 = 4.8032 BTC [+]

13:55:11 jborkl: well that was a derp move

13:56:43 ThickAsThieves: !up zoinky

13:57:00 ThickAsThieves: !up miaoux

13:57:02 zoinky: woo 30 minutes

13:57:08 ThickAsThieves: !up dR3___

13:57:13 ThickAsThieves: !up dignork

13:57:49 ThickAsThieves: hehe

13:58:01 ThickAsThieves: same zoinky from tradingview?

13:58:02 zoinky: dont even know what to say

13:58:06 zoinky: yeah

13:58:12 ThickAsThieves: <---bitcoinassets

13:59:09 zoinky: don't recall the name on TV TBH, i know you as TAT from here and forums

13:59:24 zoinky: maybe if i saw the avatar haha

13:59:31 ThickAsThieves: word, i dont chat as much as others there

13:59:52 ThickAsThieves: avatar is kim jong un getting goxxed

14:00:29 zoinky: mostly trolls there idk why i chat there

14:00:48 zoinky: guess im easily trolled

14:00:52 ThickAsThieves: there's a few guys trying to be normal

14:01:07 ThickAsThieves: though some do FUD to get the trades going their way

14:02:36 zoinky: price droopy

14:02:38 BingoBoingo: %book

14:02:39 atcbot: 20k@293 65k@280 35k@279 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160

14:02:42 BingoBoingo: !mpif

14:02:43 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002151 BTC [-]

14:02:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4159 @ 0.00081411 = 3.3859 BTC [+]

14:03:05 BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet

14:03:05 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (381 shares, 0.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00048666 / 0.000525 (8328 shares, 4.05 BTC)

14:03:30 benkay: !t m s.wol

14:03:31 assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.

14:03:43 ThickAsThieves: yep, it took longer than i thought to get to 560, one more little leg down and then sideways with a slight incline til the auction (maybe)

14:04:01 benkay: !l m s.wol

14:04:01 assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.

14:04:22 ThickAsThieves: i thought s.wol was .00003, yet the asks are .000035 and up

14:05:20 ThickAsThieves: zoinky are you in the WoT?

14:05:31 ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust zoinky

14:05:31 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user zoinky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=zoinky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=zoinky | Rated since: never

14:05:42 benkay: kakobrekla: assbot doesn't know about wol?

14:05:54 benkay: !l m s.wol

14:05:54 assbot: Stupid fucking white man.

14:05:57 benkay: !l m s.nsa

14:05:57 assbot: Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00013 BTC [-]

14:05:59 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!!

14:06:18 ThickAsThieves: benkay i suspect s.wol isnt fully set up in mpex for real for real

14:06:36 benkay: i do wonder about the ur-account on mpex

14:06:49 benkay: that from which all assets are pushed

14:06:55 benkay: and that to which all btc drain

14:07:19 benkay: (i dreamt about it last night)

14:07:22 BingoBoingo: Oh, I tagged the wrong autocomplete.

14:07:43 ThickAsThieves: "mircea_popescu:we scam everyone later."

14:08:44 ThickAsThieves: !up Pasha

14:08:51 jurov: ThickAsThieves I already pestered asciilifeform with that mycelium gizmo, he said it's some atmel satanic stuff, i then saw it opened and it was true

14:09:28 ThickAsThieves: satanic, as in, the rng is more like png?

14:10:26 jurov: the rng is hidden on the chip

14:10:38 jurov: it's one chip solution

14:11:37 ThickAsThieves: word

14:12:06 ThickAsThieves: when the heck is cardano coming out, i already wanna know what the 2nd product will be

14:12:29 jurov: the 3rd, you mean. first one was phuctor

14:13:31 ThickAsThieves: well, hardware

14:13:32 ThickAsThieves: toys

14:14:08 jurov: http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/ huh?

14:14:08 assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (96%) on Yes, 0.05 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 83`843 (100`000 to 1)

14:14:34 ThickAsThieves: not much confidence there

14:15:21 jurov: http://bitbet.us/bet/636/cardano-delivered-before-christmas/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc and this one was total fiasco

14:15:21 assbot: BitBet - Cardano delivered before Christmas :: 0.57 B (81%) on Yes, 0.13 B (19%) on No | closed 6 months 1 week ago

14:18:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11785 @ 0.00081533 = 9.6087 BTC [+] {2}

14:19:35 ThickAsThieves: weird i have no recollection of betting on this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/873/any-european-team-to-win-2014-fifa-football/

14:19:35 assbot: BitBet - Any European team to win 2014 FIFA Football World Cup :: 0.33 B (44%) on Yes, 0.42 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 35`628 (100`000 to 1)

14:19:37 ThickAsThieves: yet i did

14:20:00 benkay: haxx and scams

14:20:25 jurov: someone used your addy to make you paranoid

14:20:58 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0P034F9.txt )

14:20:58 BingoBoingo: !b 4

14:21:11 jurov: noooo

14:21:39 ThickAsThieves: bitbet selective scamming by associating bets wrongly!

14:21:54 ThickAsThieves: this is kinda funny https://docs.google.com/a/mixedmedia.pro/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AieQiVL6xc-1dHE5anhTSGotYUVIMmR5cERIYU5BOVE&output=html

14:21:54 assbot: 2014 Daytrading CURRENT

14:22:02 ThickAsThieves: trading log for a losing trader

14:22:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22779556 = 0.6834 BTC [-]

14:22:21 jurov: i was going to lament unmanageable bash mod queue... but kako emptied it :)

14:22:21 kakobrekla: benkay its not in the mpex api output

14:22:32 rithm: what is mixedmedia.pro

14:22:59 rithm: "your total marketing solution"

14:23:00 kakobrekla: jurov i noticed our bash acceptance rate is far apart :)

14:23:04 ThickAsThieves: ah it's a docs domain i use

14:23:18 ThickAsThieves: oops

14:23:22 rithm: silent stalker over here

14:23:46 jurov: tat paranoia++

14:24:16 rithm: the link it takes you to is sanitixed

14:24:19 rithm: fwiw

14:24:48 ThickAsThieves: word

14:25:16 jurov: don't sleep with deprived. word.

14:25:26 rithm: this is hilarious

14:25:50 ThickAsThieves: don't sleep with deprived?

14:26:01 zoinky: I am not in WoT

14:26:08 ThickAsThieves: ah dont trade sleep deprived

14:26:09 ThickAsThieves: hehe

14:26:22 jurov: Rule 1

14:26:28 rithm: but he's actually up to 12 from 6,500

14:26:39 rithm: in 90 days or so

14:26:41 ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional

14:26:47 rithm: unless i misunderstand

14:27:43 ThickAsThieves: !up zoinky

14:27:58 zoinky: how does one get in wot

14:28:40 ThickAsThieves: here's the original link fwiw https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AieQiVL6xc-1dHE5anhTSGotYUVIMmR5cERIYU5BOVE&output=html

14:28:40 assbot: 2014 Daytrading CURRENT

14:28:51 rithm: reminds me of rithm.blue/2014/06/24/confirmation-bias-a-blessing-or-a-curse/

14:28:54 ThickAsThieves: zoinky one sec

14:28:59 jurov: zoinky http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

14:28:59 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

14:29:06 ThickAsThieves: jurov beat me to it

14:29:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22782704 = 0.6835 BTC [+] {2}

14:29:46 zoinky: ok thanks ill check it out

14:30:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02848654 = 0.5697 BTC [+]

14:30:47 ThickAsThieves: https://rithmblue.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/rithm-blue-titsintshirt.png

14:30:52 ThickAsThieves: :)

14:32:06 ThickAsThieves: rithmblue is audio production? is there samples somewhere? i just see live vids

14:33:05 rithm: all i have at this time is live audio

14:33:10 rithm: studio is still being built

14:33:23 ThickAsThieves: cool, i dabble myself, have home studio, etc

14:33:46 rithm: well i haven't decided on the studio setup you can help me

14:33:59 rithm: i want 24 channels and analog but digital option

14:34:25 rithm: kinda want to be able to record to vinyl

14:34:39 ThickAsThieves: i dont use a board, just a collection of lunchbox stuff

14:35:03 rithm: that's cool because mostly everything i do i use my zoom h4n for right now

14:35:19 ThickAsThieves: my ADDA is an old MOTU cuz it has some particularly good chip in it

14:35:30 ThickAsThieves: 828mkii

14:36:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6412 @ 0.00082025 = 5.2594 BTC [+]

14:36:42 ThickAsThieves: not sure what stage youre at, but for me the best jump in quality was getting that ADDA, a decent tube mic, and a high-quality mic pre

14:36:52 chetty: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/25/want-to-disprove-man-made-climate-change-a-scientist-will-give-you-10000-if-you-can/

14:36:52 assbot: Want to Disprove Man-Made Climate Change? A Scientist Will Give You $10,000 if You Can | TheBlaze.com

14:37:39 rithm: because i'm still building the studio (construction) mostly i do live stuff

14:37:44 rithm: live a/v events

14:38:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04789916 = 0.5748 BTC [-] {2}

14:38:47 ThickAsThieves: cool, yeah you probably want more versatile stuff then, like a good mixing board

14:38:52 chetty: So this 'scientist' wants to pay for someone to prove a negative!

14:38:59 ThickAsThieves: hehe

14:39:26 rithm: i got an imgur of my rig somewhere

14:40:06 rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this

14:40:08 rithm: http://imgur.com/CaiSMZO

14:40:09 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:40:28 ThickAsThieves: http://crypto-comics.com/comic36.png

14:40:49 xmj: Maybe I'm having a day

14:40:51 rithm: halorig.com mini, Zoom H4n line out, splitter +headphones, line in to Canon Vixia HF G20

14:40:53 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/579/46/which-record-type-option-should-i-choose-for-the-information-im-about-to-enter

14:40:55 assbot: Which record type option should I choose for the information Im about to enter?(DNS Questions) Namecheap.com Knowledgebase

14:40:59 xmj: and maybe CentOS is just a worthless piece of shit.

14:41:00 mike_c: scroll down to NS record

14:41:24 mike_c: subdomain: seeds host: 54.whatever.i.said

14:41:41 ThickAsThieves: k i'll work on it

14:42:04 ThickAsThieves: that menu is probably buried somewhere else, i couldnt find anything that looks like that

14:42:13 mike_c: well, you were in the nameserver section

14:42:18 mike_c: which isn't quite right

14:42:29 mike_c: cuz that's for the root domain

14:42:51 ThickAsThieves: i was only there as a last resort, cuz the DNS secrtion only allowed TXT or CNAME

14:42:56 mike_c: hm

14:42:59 ThickAsThieves: it's all fucked up

14:43:06 ThickAsThieves: i shoulda just used my own DNS

14:44:56 ThickAsThieves: yeah it only shows A, TXT, CNAME as options... i'll dig

14:46:21 punkman: you are on the wrong page

14:46:41 ThickAsThieves: i cant find "All Host Records" like the support doc says

14:46:50 xmj: if i may ask

14:46:54 xmj: what are you trying to achieve?

14:47:03 ThickAsThieves: a subdomain pointing to an IP

14:47:19 mike_c: we are trying to put a NS record in therealaltcoin.org that sets the nameserver for seeds.therealaltcoin.org

14:47:24 ThickAsThieves: more specifically, where the fuck Namecheap hides such setting

14:47:54 mike_c: this custom nameserver is running altcoin-seeder

14:47:54 punkman: https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/modsingle.asp?domain=YOURDOMAIN.COM&type=nameserver&rkey=NC

14:47:55 assbot: Login Signup

14:47:57 punkman: there

14:48:33 ThickAsThieves: thats what i did last time

14:48:45 ThickAsThieves: which i gave mike_c a screenshot of

14:49:04 punkman: well youi need to run a nameserver then

14:49:09 mike_c: we are.

14:49:25 mike_c: but only for seeds.therealaltco.org

14:49:38 ThickAsThieves: i'll show what that link results in

14:51:14 mthreat: Final standings ACM world finals: http://icpc.baylor.edu/scoreboard/

14:51:15 assbot: the 38th Annual World Finals of the ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest

14:51:24 mthreat: no US team in top 10

14:52:15 ThickAsThieves: (i did this yesterday) after i add info, this is what it shows for it: http://imgur.com/iHFPZli

14:52:15 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:52:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16373 @ 0.00082389 = 13.4896 BTC [+]

14:52:50 ThickAsThieves: there's no place that looks like the link mike_c gave from their doc

14:53:01 ThickAsThieves: where i can fully choose to make any kind of record

14:54:01 punkman: you need to make ns1.therealaltcoin.org and ns2.therealaltcoin.org, point to nameserver ip

14:54:26 punkman: then add seed, ns1.therealaltcoin.org NS record

14:55:07 jurov: ThickAsThieves: I had to look

14:55:18 jurov: and on Modify Domain screen

14:55:21 punkman: ThickAsThieves: does the domain use the host's nameserver?

14:55:25 ThickAsThieves: yes

14:55:34 punkman: well then you need to go there and add NS record

14:55:42 ThickAsThieves: ...

14:55:47 jurov: there is NS record under ADVANCED in the RCORD TYPE dropdown

14:56:00 punkman: yeah but you gotta use NC's nameserver for that

14:58:33 ThickAsThieves: i see no "advanced" in this window jurov

14:59:44 punkman: oh you use namecheap hosting for it

14:59:48 ThickAsThieves: yes

15:00:15 ThickAsThieves: in that screenshot, do i just put this custom IP in the ns1 and ns2 boxes and add that?

15:00:38 pankkake: ns1 and ns2 should be namecheap nameserver ips

15:01:04 punkman: do you see a link on the menu that says "Transfer DNS Back to Us"?

15:01:18 ThickAsThieves: it's always there, but yeah

15:01:22 ThickAsThieves: even if you use them

15:01:40 punkman: no if you use them it says "Transfer to web host"

15:01:54 jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/images/Namecheap.com_-_Modify_Domain_%28anonml.com%29_-_2014-06-25_16.59.46-fs8.png here's how would i point subdomain to cloudflare

15:02:13 punkman: maybe the hosting account menu has something about dns?

15:02:18 punkman: never used that myself

15:02:19 ThickAsThieves: jurov i cant find that window

15:02:35 punkman: yeah because you use namecheaphosting dns, not namecheap dns

15:03:03 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:03:10 jurov: menu -> manage domains -> click on domain name -> all host records

15:03:17 ThickAsThieves: doesnt exist

15:03:18 ThickAsThieves: ok

15:03:23 ThickAsThieves: i think punkman is onto something

15:03:24 jurov: which step doesnt exist?

15:03:32 ThickAsThieves: so i'm using their DNS, just not THEIR DNS

15:03:34 ThickAsThieves: or someshit

15:03:52 punkman: my domain with NC DNS uses DNS1.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM

15:04:02 punkman: not DNS1.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM

15:04:13 punkman: which is what therealaltcoin has

15:04:30 ThickAsThieves: All Host Records now appears!

15:05:44 mike_c: thanks guys. TaT and I were not getting closer to the goal :)

15:06:17 ThickAsThieves: yes thx, almost done

15:06:21 ThickAsThieves: hoepfully

15:07:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18414 @ 0.00082389 = 15.1711 BTC [+]

15:11:04 ThickAsThieves: so i need to wait the TTL time before checking if this worked right?

15:11:23 ThickAsThieves: 1800 is 30m if i recall?

15:11:36 mike_c: ttl is a suggestion

15:11:41 ThickAsThieves: ah

15:12:09 ThickAsThieves: how do i know if it's working, does an NS record show up on whatsmydns.net?

15:12:32 mike_c: what should happen is eventually you do a dig -t any therealaltcoin.org and it shows up

15:12:45 pankkake: you can ask the responsible dns server directly, bypassing ISP caches

15:13:26 ThickAsThieves: i dont understand either of you

15:13:28 ThickAsThieves: :)

15:13:58 ThickAsThieves: i can tell ya when i visit seeds.therealaltcoin.org it behaves differently now :/

15:14:20 mike_c: uh oh

15:14:25 mike_c: A record seems to be gone

15:14:52 punkman: did you transfer "back to us"?

15:14:55 ThickAsThieves: yes

15:15:03 ThickAsThieves: probly a delay in that?

15:15:04 mike_c: oh, nvm. it's there now. weird.

15:15:05 punkman: because now it has no idea what IP the root is

15:15:52 punkman: unless they've added some magic

15:16:08 punkman: *root domain

15:16:29 ThickAsThieves: the page loads at least

15:16:48 ThickAsThieves: but no idea if the seeds subdomain is set up as needed yet

15:16:56 punkman: and if you add it manually, then namecheaphosting can't update the IP if it ever changes

15:17:05 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: the point is not for seeds.therealaltcoin.org to show a web page. what should happen when this is working is that it will point to active ATC nodes (which probably aren't running web servers)

15:17:31 ThickAsThieves: i understand that no page would load (i assum you'd need to do something on your end for a page to load via http for it)

15:17:57 ThickAsThieves: what i dont understand is how to check if i did it right

15:18:38 mike_c: i'll let you know.

15:18:53 ThickAsThieves: cool

15:19:27 TomServo: *** ns1.namecheaphosting.com can't find seeds.therealaltcoin.org: Non-existent domain

15:19:38 TomServo: Is that your DNS server?

15:20:09 punkman: TomServo: ns1.therealaltcoin.org is supposed to be the NS for seeds.

15:20:56 ThickAsThieves: so should i add a nameserver in addition to the NS record?

15:21:10 ThickAsThieves: pointing to same outside IP?

15:21:16 mike_c: 54.x.x.x *is* a nameserver

15:21:55 mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p

15:21:59 TomServo: haha

15:22:07 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:22:17 ThickAsThieves: we're like new breed of plumbers

15:22:24 ThickAsThieves: where does this pipe go!?

15:22:42 TomServo: not sure, but it definitely needs more flux

15:22:52 ThickAsThieves: crack it open and see what pours out!

15:23:14 ThickAsThieves: "that's the sewage" "oh, shit."

15:23:24 Mats_cd03: ym is a nameserver

15:23:48 ThickAsThieves: http://nypost.com/2014/06/25/its-david-vs-goliath-in-race-to-launch-nys-first-regulated-bitcoin-exchange/

15:23:49 assbot: It’s David vs. Goliath in race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange | New York Post

15:23:57 ThickAsThieves: "The twilight of the rule-writing process — expected now in early July — has started internal discussions at Nasdaq about how to take advantage of the currency’s growing popularity, sources said."

15:23:59 xmj: hrm

15:24:48 ThickAsThieves: "Should Nasdaq officials decide to go forward, they likely will move quickly — exchange officials expect to create a regulated platform for bitcoin buyers and sellers in about a year, one source said."

15:26:00 kakobrekla: http://www.coindesk.com/switzerland-government-report-bitcoin-insignificant-legislation/

15:26:01 assbot: Swiss Government Report: Bitcoin Too 'Insignificant' for Legislation

15:26:09 ThickAsThieves: i tried to do a lil promo for War of Life on reddit and got deleted, after getting 3 upvotes nonetheless

15:26:21 ThickAsThieves: must be a competitor modding

15:26:34 Apocalyptic: reditards at their best

15:26:56 jurov: does WoL have referrals?

15:27:11 ThickAsThieves: good q!

15:27:40 ThickAsThieves: "bitcoin.org's content is managed by Saïvann Carignan, who is somewhat associated with the Foundation (though not an employee AFAIK), but the bitcoin.org domain name is jointly owned by me, Sirius, and an anonymous person. We will take action if bitcoin.org is being used inappropriately or the development group does something crazy." ~Theymos

15:34:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2901 @ 0.00082389 = 2.3901 BTC [+]

15:36:28 ThickAsThieves: mike_c in the WoL Shares area, why not show first bits like BitBet does?

15:37:18 ThickAsThieves: also with current pop-up method, it doesnt allow copy-pasting an addy

15:38:10 Mats_cd03: i am tired of hearing about theymos

15:38:26 Mats_cd03: its time he gets hit by a car

15:39:01 pankkake: Mats_cd03: that is grounds for a twitter ban

15:39:04 ThickAsThieves: mike_c it's also hard to find my bets, maybe a search function is needed like bitbet too

15:39:26 mike_c: why can't you copy-paste?

15:39:55 mike_c: search sounds like good idea

15:40:07 ThickAsThieves: cuz the pop up disappears when i move mouse

15:40:20 ThickAsThieves: also the closed games have no timestamps or anything

15:40:32 mike_c: what? what browser/os are you on?

15:40:39 ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what

15:40:44 ThickAsThieves: chrome

15:42:20 ThickAsThieves: also recommend a "previous" & "next" game link to chronologically page thru

15:51:51 mike_c: there's only one active GoW at a time. but i do want to add a list of old games, etc.

15:53:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23383 @ 0.00082161 = 19.2117 BTC [-] {2}

15:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4089 @ 0.00082231 = 3.3624 BTC [+]

15:58:02 punkman: ThickAsThieves: think you broke it, http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ 400 Bad Request

15:58:03 assbot: 400 Bad Request

15:58:29 ThickAsThieves: mofo

15:59:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79952895 BTC to 9`635 shares, 18677 satoshi per share

16:00:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.045 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}

16:00:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00082655 = 14.01 BTC [+] {2}

16:04:25 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/xNLprWFE for the lulz

16:04:26 assbot: Selina selinamartindale@gmail.com http://www.thinkkeno.net/%E7%8F%BE%E7%89%A9% - Pastebin.com

16:04:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.04432367 = 0.8421 BTC [-] {5}

16:05:06 ThickAsThieves: heh

16:05:34 ThickAsThieves: alright so basically i need to add all the DNS records that were in the host before, to the changed to nameserver, right?

16:08:08 ThickAsThieves: seeds.therealaltcoin.org seems to be working for Seattle

16:09:52 mircea_popescu: curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'seeds.therealaltcoin.org'

16:09:58 mircea_popescu: prolly in an hour or so

16:10:00 punkman: ThickAsThieves: do you have a VPS or shared with NC hosting?

16:14:30 ThickAsThieves: i think i fixed it all

16:15:22 ThickAsThieves: the only xfactor is the A records all didnt like a "." at the end of the IP entry, whereas seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS record accepted it

16:15:27 ThickAsThieves: the site loads again now too

16:15:33 ThickAsThieves: now ait

16:15:36 ThickAsThieves: lol

16:16:18 ThickAsThieves: i do not have a VPS

16:16:39 ThickAsThieves: http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ works

16:16:39 assbot: 400 Bad Request

16:16:40 punkman: I don't seen any entries for seeds subdomain

16:18:29 BingoBoingo: %diff

16:18:30 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 324223.45 in 1913 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -36.61

16:18:42 punkman: %tslb

16:18:43 atcbot: 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)

16:20:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.04228851 = 2.495 BTC [-] {8}

16:20:15 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 266666*.9

16:20:15 gribble: 239999.4

16:21:16 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 58333 *.9

16:21:17 gribble: 52499.7

16:21:36 ThickAsThieves: it's odd that the www. works but not without it, being that www. is the CNAME

16:22:22 mircea_popescu: you prolly don't have a * record

16:22:33 ThickAsThieves: the @ one?

16:22:39 mircea_popescu: no, the * one

16:22:42 ThickAsThieves: hmm

16:22:48 mircea_popescu: ;;google dns catchall

16:22:49 gribble: Wildcard DNS record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_DNS_record; How can I set up a catch-all (wildcard) subdomain? (DNS Questions ...: https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/597/46/how-can-i-set-up-a-catchall-wildcard-subdomain; Is a wildcard CNAME DNS record valid? - Server Fault: (1 more message)

16:23:28 punkman: you need @ not *

16:23:31 davout: ThickAsThieves: both work from here

16:23:44 davout: yeah, you don't need a * record for the root domain

16:24:01 ThickAsThieves: should i remove the * record then?

16:24:04 davout: and if www is CNAME'd to the root you don't need it at all

16:24:51 davout: i don't really like to keep those around unless i need them because i want to have a domain-dependent behaviour

16:24:59 davout: *subdomain dependent behaviour

16:25:02 ThickAsThieves: www is indeed cname'd to root, but @ is pointing to the server IP

16:25:05 mircea_popescu: davout well sure

16:25:28 ThickAsThieves: which i assume is correct, only the root domain doesnt load, for me at least

16:25:37 ThickAsThieves: www. does load though

16:25:58 davout: ThickAsThieves: try from your mobile phone, disconnected form wifi

16:26:11 davout: dns caching is a bitch

16:26:30 ThickAsThieves: lol davout, incidentally, Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet

16:26:35 ThickAsThieves: so yours might break soon too

16:26:42 ThickAsThieves: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/therealaltcoin.org

16:26:50 davout: "Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet" <<< does not compute

16:27:00 ThickAsThieves: look at link above

16:27:07 mircea_popescu: til .mp is an actual tld

16:27:28 davout: sfr is one of many providers

16:27:40 ThickAsThieves: ok it loads fine in Tor

16:27:45 davout: there's no such thing as "the dns for paris" :D

16:27:46 mircea_popescu: davout no dude he knows remotely the situation of dns in paris

16:27:51 ThickAsThieves: hehe

16:27:52 mircea_popescu: dub's a noob :D

16:28:05 ThickAsThieves: well it was an inconvenient coincidence

16:28:12 ThickAsThieves: considering the only french guy could see it

16:28:19 davout: golden rule when fucking with dns : "test after changing the configuration, never before, or you'll be stuck with shit being cached"

16:28:36 mircea_popescu: "The get.mp site is a bit defunct as the certificate is expired."

16:28:42 ThickAsThieves: alls well

16:28:47 mircea_popescu: the steaks in my fridge are a bit defunct too!

16:29:00 ThickAsThieves: now i just need confirmation the seeds.therealaltcoin.org is doing what it's supposed to

16:29:09 mircea_popescu: davout or just floosh a lot

16:30:21 ThickAsThieves: so can i have an A record fors seeds. too?

16:30:28 davout: i just check the configs with a "dig A domain.tld @ns.otherdomain.tld"

16:30:29 ThickAsThieves: so it doesnt timeout when loaded in web browser?

16:30:59 ThickAsThieves: maybe pointing to text file of current seeds?

16:31:06 ThickAsThieves: or is that just pointless

16:31:08 punkman: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000 IN NS

16:31:08 punkman: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60 IN A

16:31:51 ThickAsThieves: i dunno what that means

16:32:02 ThickAsThieves: alls well?

16:32:18 mircea_popescu: ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 58366

16:32:20 mircea_popescu: lol win

16:32:32 punkman: I did dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @

16:33:39 mircea_popescu: mine's ambigous

16:33:40 mircea_popescu: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000 IN NS

16:33:41 mircea_popescu: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60 IN A

16:33:50 punkman: right, that's good

16:33:56 davout: seeds.therealaltcoin.org doesn't seem to actually have any name servers defined

16:34:14 davout: therealaltcoin.org does

16:34:23 davout: ThickAsThieves: what the fuck have you done?

16:34:23 punkman: davout, dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @dns1.registrar-servers.com

16:34:30 ThickAsThieves: seeds. has an NS record with value=

16:35:10 davout: ThickAsThieves: i assert the contrary

16:35:38 davout: punkman: if you force the nameserver you're cheating!

16:35:54 ThickAsThieves: well being that i'm minimally experience with this stuff, i dont know what youre suggesting i do

16:36:29 davout: are you hosting the NS server yourself ?

16:36:43 ThickAsThieves: it's namecheap's

16:36:45 davout: i'd try to see why you're getting a servfail

16:36:49 ThickAsThieves: but i can add any record

16:36:50 davout: hmm

16:37:10 thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo

16:37:10 gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 minutes and 41 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> %diff

16:37:27 ThickAsThieves: i'll ss my current records

16:37:28 chetty: Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches

16:38:58 davout: ThickAsThieves: it's very weird that your subdomain doesn't seem to have an associated nameserver when asking without asking dns1.registrar-servers.com

16:39:12 ThickAsThieves: http://imgur.com/0wLdYIn

16:39:13 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

16:39:27 ThickAsThieves: that should help

16:41:18 davout: ThickAsThieves: why do you have the last line ?

16:41:32 davout: why do you need to associate a separate nameserver to the seeds subdomain ?

16:41:32 mircea_popescu: <chetty> Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches << ya, that'll do a lot.

16:41:45 mircea_popescu: usg will just redefine "cellphones" as laptops or w/e

16:41:51 ThickAsThieves: cuz mike_c told me to, cuz that IP is his and a nameserver

16:42:00 davout: didn't you mean to have an A record instead ?

16:42:03 Apocalyptic: anyway NSA isn't bound by law, is it ?

16:42:12 ThickAsThieves: i only menat to do as told

16:42:20 ThickAsThieves: should it be A instead?

16:42:30 punkman: mike's nameserver spits out node IPs as A records

16:42:32 mircea_popescu: this should be interesting, how tat's soup comes out with al lthe asset cooks

16:43:13 ThickAsThieves: i dont have a problem hosting the seeds myself, if handheld through it

16:44:02 davout: punkman: so the use case is that they're going to be multiple seeds, managed by mike_c like s1.seeds.therealtcoin.org ?

16:44:18 ThickAsThieves: no it's just a list i think

16:44:47 ThickAsThieves: i think the plan is to embed this subdomain into the altcoin software, so newbs can get the chain easier

16:44:55 dignork: ThickAsThieves: http://serverfault.com/questions/100307/can-the-value-for-a-ns-record-be-an-ip-address

16:44:55 assbot: dns - Can the value for a NS record be an IP address? - Server Fault

16:45:00 davout: ThickAsThieves: so when hitting seeds.therealaltcoins.org, a single server will spit out a list of seeds, in some format for use by the atc client ?

16:45:14 ThickAsThieves: i think so

16:45:22 ThickAsThieves: i'm speaking for mike_c and pankkake i think

16:45:28 ThickAsThieves: and i'm not so sure i'm qualified

16:45:38 pankkake: yes, that is is

16:45:48 davout: well, then you don't need a NS record

16:46:07 davout: you need a plain old A record for seeds that points to the IP of the server managing the seeds list

16:46:12 mircea_popescu: dude it's like being on mdma over here

16:46:22 mircea_popescu: i derp about my business, suddenly there's this weird booming echo multivoice

16:46:22 ThickAsThieves: cool i'll fix it

16:46:45 pankkake: it's wrong!

16:46:45 mircea_popescu: a second later it comes through they're screaming "goal!1" but that second...

16:47:07 pankkake: the "format" for the altcoin client is a DNS reply

16:47:08 ThickAsThieves: pankkake you talking to me or mp?

16:47:14 davout: mircea_popescu: oh fuck, i'm supporting nigeria

16:47:14 ThickAsThieves: ah

16:47:14 pankkake: to davout

16:47:38 ThickAsThieves: i could not have guessed that DNS would be an interpretive thing...

16:47:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he was confirming it for davout

16:47:39 mircea_popescu: bah

16:47:56 mircea_popescu: ahahaha the interpretive dns dance! round robbin! the nut cracker!

16:48:02 davout: pankkake: whaddaya mean

16:48:08 mircea_popescu: this should totally be a musical

16:48:31 ThickAsThieves: how about i just put BOTH records

16:48:33 davout: i feel like i'm going down into a confusion vortex

16:48:36 jurov: ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems!

16:48:38 ThickAsThieves: more shares is better!

16:48:40 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VE6PXR.txt )

16:48:40 BingoBoingo: !b 9

16:48:45 pankkake: seeds. has to be served by the self updating dns server

16:49:06 mircea_popescu: <jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems! <<< ahahaha

16:49:15 pankkake: well despite knowning the thing I have a hard time following the discussion

16:49:26 ThickAsThieves: <jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. /// actually this is something i do want

16:49:41 mircea_popescu: "you have two problems. the government takes one and gives you a cow. now you have three problems."

16:50:20 davout: pankkake: you want to resolve subdomains of seeds. ?

16:50:50 punkman: davout, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723462

16:50:51 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

16:51:03 mircea_popescu: punkman re the "no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knee" : does thaat resolve to -5 which is then 5 below the knee ?

16:51:22 mircea_popescu: or does it just resolve to "depending on how lanky you are, one inch over your cunt"

16:51:37 pankkake: seeds. is also resolved by the NS of seeds.

16:51:48 davout: punkman: a i see, you want a dynamic A record for seeds

16:52:29 punkman: yeah and other cool features, https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder

16:52:29 assbot: sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub

16:52:53 ThickAsThieves: ok well at the moment the screenshot is what it is and will remain so until explicitly instructed

16:53:29 punkman: ThickAsThieves: maybe change it to seeds NS ns1.therealtaltcoin.org, then go to the other page and point ns1. to mike's IP

16:53:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.042 = 1.386 BTC [+]

16:53:50 mircea_popescu: this didn't work so well did it.

16:54:00 ThickAsThieves: i wil not accept a maybe

16:54:06 ThickAsThieves: explicit instructions only

16:54:06 davout: punkman pankkake if what's needed is load balancing, or failover, multiple A records for the same domain would do just fine

16:54:07 mircea_popescu: sensible.

16:54:22 mircea_popescu: davout: what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ? << prolly the 3th knc recently delivered

16:54:48 pankkake: yes, if you have known nodes running… and I don't believe it is the case

16:55:26 punkman: ThickAsThieves: well according to dignork's link, having an IP in NS record is not so valid

16:55:36 ThickAsThieves: btw, i do have some .bit domains registered, including bitcoin-assets and therealaltcoin

16:55:37 punkman: but I got no fucking clue to be honest

16:55:38 davout: mircea_popescu: yeah, i didn't state the question very explicitly, but i was wondering about the price to pay to bring an extra PH/s to the network, something around 1.25mn is what i found

16:55:57 mircea_popescu: it seems to be about 1 dollar per gh roughly.

16:56:14 mircea_popescu: so 1mn per ph, net of any logistics

16:56:22 davout: and electricity

16:56:31 mircea_popescu: 1.25 prolly reasonable yeah. electricity is logistics :D

16:56:33 davout: i guess thats included in "logistics"

16:56:40 ThickAsThieves: mike_c see above discussion and lemme know if you need anything changed anytime

16:57:30 mircea_popescu: assbot: [NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200% << lmao

16:58:03 davout: to be read as -200%

16:58:23 davout: nah, actually i'm an idiot, that's not possible

16:58:40 mircea_popescu: lol

16:58:44 mircea_popescu: IT SHOULD BE

16:59:32 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin << hash doesn;'t really need to pay for itself in coin tho.

16:59:34 punkman: I can't ping seeds.therealaltcoin.org, does it resolve for someone?

16:59:37 jurov: not if one pays another 100% for filing a debt claim

16:59:47 mircea_popescu: jurov has it

16:59:47 davout: punkman: lol

17:00:08 mircea_popescu: punkman unknown host.

17:00:24 davout: jurov: as in "this guy owes me 100 BTC, here's 100 BTC to get it from him" ?

17:00:32 mike_c: ugh. hopefully you didn't "fix" it, i think you had it :)

17:01:16 mike_c: davout: I am running a nameserver for seeds.atc

17:01:24 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: maybe thatll be on his grave << what should be on his grave is "I thought I knew shit, because I used to be a shithead. Now I know better, but what's the use, I'm already shitlisted."

17:01:27 mike_c: clients will query it to find active ATC nodes

17:01:46 mike_c: in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc

17:01:52 mike_c: clear as mud?

17:02:06 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2014#732075

17:02:06 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:02:14 mike_c: punkman: no reason you should be able to ping it!

17:02:25 punkman: no?

17:02:34 Apocalyptic: <mike_c> in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc // you're sure ?

17:02:47 ThickAsThieves: what if i want http://seeds. to point a picture of apple seeds? what record for that?

17:02:53 Apocalyptic: I thought it was meant to resolve to IP of nodes

17:03:16 mike_c: Apocalyptic: it does resolve to IP of nodes. but how does your computer know who to ask to resolve it.

17:03:19 davout: ThickAsThieves: A record for that, on mike_c's server

17:03:31 ThickAsThieves: nuts

17:03:42 mircea_popescu: !t m s.wol

17:03:43 assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.

17:03:48 davout: mike_c: so you're going to resolve s1.seeds.the...org etc ?

17:03:48 mircea_popescu: srsly ?

17:03:55 mike_c: no, no s1.seeds

17:04:04 mircea_popescu: !t m d.bpay

17:04:05 assbot: [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)

17:04:08 mircea_popescu: aok

17:04:14 ThickAsThieves: mp how come your s.wol is 35 instead of 30, just to fuck with people?

17:04:30 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves someone bid

17:04:43 davout: mike_c: so what fqdns is your server going to resolve ?

17:04:51 ThickAsThieves: ? i dont see any Last Price

17:04:53 mike_c: seeds.therealaltcoin.org

17:04:56 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, now that mike_c is up he's prolly going to put bitcoin in once he's done destroying altcoin dns

17:05:02 mircea_popescu: after which those shares are prolly selling

17:05:07 mircea_popescu: so get in if you want to get in.

17:05:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0008285 = 5.7995 BTC [+]

17:05:50 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there isn't a last price yet.

17:06:12 mike_c: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder/blob/master/README

17:06:13 assbot: bitcoin-seeder/README at master sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub

17:06:18 davout: mike_c: dig A seeds.therealtcoin.org @

17:06:24 davout: ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 49439

17:06:32 mike_c: dig -t A

17:06:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!! << it's tiny, 15 btc total.

17:06:46 davout: mike_c: why would that change anything ?

17:06:52 davout: i'm asking for an A record

17:07:42 mike_c: dig -t A seeds.therealaltcoin.org @

17:07:44 punkman: realtcoin

17:07:49 punkman: ^^

17:07:53 mike_c: flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1,

17:08:29 davout: punkman: my face, my palm

17:09:07 mircea_popescu: wow they're really massacring nigeria.

17:09:23 davout: mike_c: yeah works now

17:09:26 mircea_popescu: i think someone needs to send argentina team an ugrend proposal

17:09:58 davout: lol

17:10:10 mike_c: hopefully nobody actually reads the logs.

17:10:54 []bot: Bet placed: 9 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.31299681 BTC. Current weight: 3,557.

17:11:09 davout: mike_c: curious as to why i'm getting a servfail when not asking your server directly

17:11:12 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional << funny how that works huh.

17:11:29 mircea_popescu: davout take a hint ? :D

17:12:09 davout: mircea_popescu: ?

17:12:32 mircea_popescu: you know, "why do i get a fail message when im not doing anything"

17:12:36 mircea_popescu: "cuz you suck!!1"

17:12:51 davout: meh, i get the same message as you

17:13:29 davout: also same message from different machine, on different network

17:14:00 davout: mike_c: maybe that's related to using an IP directly as the NS field value, i have no fucking clue :D

17:16:57 punkman: "It is important to know that NS records are only responsible for defining the names of DNS servers within a zone, i.e. they do not represent IP addresses,"

17:18:04 mircea_popescu: punkman what's a standard for if not pissing all over it ?

17:18:07 mircea_popescu: we're cats!

17:18:22 BingoBoingo: ;;seen moiety

17:18:23 gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <moiety> 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/

17:18:23 punkman: yeah but I first said this 2 hours ago

17:18:31 punkman: and now it's not working :P

17:18:37 moiety: i here :]

17:18:52 mike_c: so it should be seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS -> foo.therealaltcoin.org and then foo.therealaltcoin.org -> 54.x.x.x?

17:18:53 mircea_popescu: hi moiety

17:19:03 moiety: i had an appointment for sorting everything out income wise, sorry

17:19:06 moiety: hello

17:19:28 davout: punkman: -assets currently looks like a bunch of medieval doctors putting leeches on a guy with a broken ankle

17:20:03 punkman: I'm just glad I'm not a sysadmin

17:20:06 mircea_popescu: and it's worth every penny of the admission fee!

17:21:23 mircea_popescu: chetty: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/25/want-to-disprove-man-made-climate-change-a-scientist-will-give-you-10000-if-you-can/ << 10k srsly ? it'd better be bitcoin.

17:21:23 assbot: Want to Disprove Man-Made Climate Change? A Scientist Will Give You $10,000 if You Can | TheBlaze.com

17:21:41 mircea_popescu: in other news, want to disprove tardstalk scam of the week ? nobody will give you 10 bitcents if you can ha-ha!

17:22:35 pankkake: I'll give 10000 BTC to the first person to disprove the existence of the Space Elephant

17:23:09 mircea_popescu: rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this <<< was it more than a car ?

17:23:19 mircea_popescu: pankkake stop being unscientific!11

17:24:12 chetty: mircea_popescu, I was amused at the great scientist asking folks to prove a negative :P

17:24:37 pankkake: can we have a 20 year bitbet against global warming?

17:24:45 mircea_popescu: chetty and then they wonder why i keep saying stupid === poor.

17:24:56 mircea_popescu: pankkake if youy put 10k down on it

17:26:28 moiety: pankkake: elephants are scared of mice. galactic space mice (http://history.nasa.gov/animals.html) mean you will never find an elephant in space. i think this counts.

17:26:47 mircea_popescu: give the girl 10k.

17:26:53 []bot: Bet created: "Amazon stock to close at over $350 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/965/

17:27:21 pankkake: thankfully you didn't say 10k of what :)

17:27:46 moiety: i would accept 10k manuls

17:28:01 mircea_popescu: ;;google 10k manuls

17:28:02 gribble: RT-10K :: Manuals :: Support :: Roland: http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=RT-10K; Sound Module and Drum Pad Comb... :: RT-10K :: Manuals - Roland ...: http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=RT-10K&id=1810833; Roadster HD10K-M 1080 HD DLP Projector - Christie Digital Systems: http://www.christiedigital.com/en-us/business/products/projectors/3 (1 more message)

17:28:06 mircea_popescu: fail.

17:28:19 pankkake: yeah, google always manuals me when I want manuls :(

17:28:20 davout: servfail.

17:28:30 punkman: 10k gold manuls, would be nice

17:29:42 mircea_popescu: reading the logs, you bunch have been at this "let's fuck up dns" for a while by now huh

17:30:02 rithm: i should specify indirectly huh

17:30:18 rithm: like th rig is for sale at halorig.com and you can with btc

17:30:27 rithm: the camera was drop ship otc trade

17:30:32 rithm: and so forth

17:31:06 davout: mircea_popescu: "we heard you like dns, so we put a dns server in your dns server ..."

17:31:17 rithm: mircea_popescu you actually read the logs?

17:31:25 mircea_popescu: rithm every day since 2012.

17:31:34 rithm: i'm gonna start trolling you when you are afk pretty hard

17:31:39 rithm: now that i know this

17:31:47 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot rithm

17:31:47 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user rithm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=rithm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rithm | Rated since: Tue May 6 14:03:45 2014

17:31:49 ThickAsThieves: there's a penalty for polluting rithm

17:31:56 mircea_popescu: careful leetal grasshopper :D

17:31:59 ThickAsThieves: assbot will fine you

17:32:02 rithm: a penalty

17:32:10 mircea_popescu: a penal tit

17:32:20 mircea_popescu: ;;google penal tit

17:32:20 gribble: PROGRAM BILL tit 3: https://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/GPB3-PUBLIC-TRUST-ACT-MEMO.pdf; Large Capacity Ammunition Magazines in California - Law Center to ...: http://smartgunlaws.org/large-capacity-ammunition-magazines-in-california/; PENAL CODE CHAPTER 21. SEXUAL OFFENSES: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/pe/htm/pe.21.htm

17:32:21 rithm: i love to be tied up and flogged

17:32:51 ThickAsThieves: so the Titan coins were loaded like instantly

17:32:54 mircea_popescu: /htm/ is such a good directory to have.

17:32:57 rithm: so evil nick highlighting discouraged or outright banned?

17:33:00 BingoBoingo: ;;google big tits rosebudding

17:33:01 gribble: Rosebud, Lesbian Punishment - Pornhub.com: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=733490021; Get The Big Breasts You've Always Wanted … With A Boob Scarf: http://www.thefrisky.com/2010-06-01/get-the-big-breasts-youve-always-wanted-with-a-boob-scarf/; Jennifer Love Hewitt's Boobs Have Served Her Well - The Frisky: http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-03-08/jennifer-love- (1 more message)

17:33:02 ThickAsThieves: and i emailed asking about gold ones cuz the website says out of stock

17:33:07 ThickAsThieves: but they have 30

17:33:11 ThickAsThieves: so i'ma get some

17:33:25 rithm: i have one ThickAsThieves

17:33:28 rithm: it is shiny

17:33:32 ThickAsThieves: yep

17:33:47 ThickAsThieves: i figure i want a lil gold anyway

17:34:07 rithm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuoB5aVP4gA

17:34:07 assbot: Titan One Gold (Titan AU) - YouTube

17:34:40 ThickAsThieves: such slideshow!

17:34:55 rithm: my phone now does those for me

17:34:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p << how do you fit a girl in a lightbulb ?

17:35:01 rithm: these new phones are magic

17:35:36 rithm: like i can take a few pics and select a theme and boom slideshow

17:35:40 rithm: works with video too

17:35:42 ThickAsThieves: you can take the girl out of the lightbulb, but ya cant take the lightbulb outta the girl

17:36:37 pankkake: assetters would simply declare that light is a scam

17:36:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what <<< mike_c i think we should cater to this guy :D

17:36:59 pankkake: "For the record, a boatload of neckbeards doesn't pay for one single financier. This because tech people actually are humanly inferior to money people. They're less of a person."

17:37:25 mircea_popescu: pankkake i'll have to revisit that nao that nasdaq wants to join teh fray :D

17:37:46 mike_c: yes. sleepy bettors will be accomodated.

17:37:50 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:38:06 ThickAsThieves: it gets weirder tho

17:38:10 ThickAsThieves: the address i bet from

17:38:12 ThickAsThieves: isnt in my wallet

17:38:17 mircea_popescu: lmao

17:38:27 pankkake: are you using bitcoin-qt? it doesn't list change addresses

17:38:32 mircea_popescu: remember that guy a year or so ago threatening to kill kako's plushie toys

17:38:37 mircea_popescu: because we stole his moneyz!!!

17:38:43 mircea_popescu: and then his address wasn't even on the bet ?

17:38:46 ThickAsThieves: yeah pankkake, that must be it

17:39:49 mircea_popescu: $depth d.bpay

17:39:49 empyex: mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Bids:

17:39:50 empyex: mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Asks: 900 @ 0.23999999

17:39:53 mircea_popescu: $depth d.btgo

17:39:54 empyex: mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Bids:

17:39:55 empyex: mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Asks: 1000 @ 0.05249970

17:40:02 mircea_popescu: if anyone wishes to invest...

17:40:25 ThickAsThieves: major oversight in WoL

17:40:28 ThickAsThieves: trollbox

17:41:54 mircea_popescu: mike_c : add a webirc link to #wol in the page ?

17:42:17 ThickAsThieves: imo it should be in the same window

17:42:47 ThickAsThieves: think of the WoL Community man

17:42:54 mircea_popescu: who ?

17:42:57 ThickAsThieves: hehe

17:47:59 FabianB: $traded

17:48:00 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: D.BPAY F.MPIF S.MPOE

17:48:31 pankkake: !t m d.bpay

17:48:32 assbot: [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)

17:48:39 pankkake: :o

17:50:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.0005234 = 1.0468 BTC [+]

17:53:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21519 @ 0.00083149 = 17.8928 BTC [+] {2}

17:56:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/25/no-do-not-dencentralize-everything/

18:07:56 []bot: Bet created: "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/

18:11:29 mircea_popescu: pankkake scamveloper works

18:11:36 mircea_popescu: sorta the confluence of scammer, eloper and developer

18:11:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.0008285 = 2.9826 BTC [-]

18:12:05 pankkake: did not think of eloper

18:12:37 mircea_popescu: :p

18:12:41 mircea_popescu: you blew a link tho

18:12:46 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/%3Eexchanges%3C/a%3E,%20%3Ca%20href=

18:12:47 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:12:50 pankkake: I have another post coming :D I've deciced against a third by inserting it in the second

18:13:25 pankkake: indeed… I've crapped on most of my hrefs while writing too

18:13:47 pankkake: another reason I want to switch out of wordpress: writing HTML

18:14:14 BingoBoingo: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Police_ID_suspect_in_Philadelphia_gun_range_robberies.html

18:14:14 assbot: Police seek suspect in Philadelphia gun range robberies

18:14:29 FabianB: hm. doesn't nasdaq close in points and not in usd?

18:15:15 mircea_popescu: i write html in wp

18:15:19 mircea_popescu: FabianB ya

18:15:36 FabianB: mircea_popescu: 20:07 <+[]bot> Bet created: "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/

18:15:37 assbot: BitBet - Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014 :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`997 (100`000 to 1)

18:20:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6136 @ 0.00082822 = 5.082 BTC [-] {2}

18:21:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12414 @ 0.0008261 = 10.2552 BTC [-] {3}

18:24:24 BingoBoingo: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=140327616811443&w=2

18:24:25 assbot: 'Re: compare memcmp with 0' - MARC

18:28:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0419997 = 0.84 BTC [-]

18:30:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.042 = 0.798 BTC [+]

18:39:02 davout: pankkake: "Now some guy now wants to decentralize decentralized version control." <<< Oo

18:49:36 punkman: http://news.yahoo.com/solar-roadways-210149010.html

18:49:38 assbot: Crowdfunding campaign raises $2.2M to build solar roadways - Yahoo News

18:50:19 Namworld: Re what I was talking about the other day concerning provably fair systems. To be fair, most casinos do the same thing re providing new server seeds after user's seed.

18:50:38 Namworld: So I'll probably do a public campaign concerning all venues.

18:51:22 Namworld: So I got some stuff written, concerning logic behind it and proposed change to such systems.

18:51:29 Namworld: Here's what I have thus far: http://pastebin.com/bQj4fSht

18:51:29 assbot: Provably Fair System - Pastebin.com

18:52:10 mircea_popescu: Namworld you need a blog

18:52:55 Namworld: I don't have one. Don't think I write often enough to attract any kind of regular audience regardless.

18:53:13 punkman: I want to make a nice provably fair baccarat game. Get all those chinese bitcoins.

18:53:13 mircea_popescu: 1. Client changes the seed after each new server seed, before every bet. He doesn't know server seed, so seed he provides should give a random number. (Painfully tedious, few actually do it, but for those who do, provably fair.) << prolly a bot that does this would be useful.

18:53:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.govexec.com/federal-news/fedblog/2014/06/epa-employees-told-stop-pooping-hallway/87223/

18:53:22 assbot: EPA Employees Told to Stop Pooping in the Hallway - Fedblog - News - GovExec.com

18:53:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00082949 = 4.5622 BTC [+]

18:53:48 mircea_popescu: Namworld stop being stubborn. if you put up text like that you need a blog. how's someone going to comment on it for instance ? how's someone coming in 1 year know what was already commented ?

18:54:09 Namworld: Yes, it should indeed be a requirement to have such an external tool for current venues.

18:54:56 Namworld: mircea, I'll probably just post it on the gambling forum where it is relevant and let people pitch in.

18:55:08 Namworld: At least there's a large, targeted audience there.

18:55:36 mircea_popescu: i guess also

18:55:58 mircea_popescu: punkman i never got bacarrat, but you know what might be a good idea ?

18:56:03 mircea_popescu: a museum of gambling site

18:56:20 mircea_popescu: play all the games that meanwhile died, from ancient egypt and fenicia to chemin-du-fer

18:56:39 punkman: not bad

18:57:12 mircea_popescu: Namworld "No, you wouldn't be able to notice that the website, across all players, has a much higher house edge than 1% which is unlikely. It's easy to fill with fake "lucky" account to compensate " << you could notice it over your own experience.

18:57:24 mircea_popescu: jd for instance allows you to run 0 bet sampling rounds of infinite size.

18:57:50 mircea_popescu: or should i say allowed.

18:59:11 mircea_popescu: but anywqay, this entire paper is not about server cheating, it's about how "if you're lazy and stupid you might lose". sure. as it should be. let people make proper betting bots with seeding per bet

18:59:52 mircea_popescu: and yes jd was correctly implemented.

19:00:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/25/bitcoin-is-not-a-payment-network/

19:01:02 mircea_popescu: the coinroll "end of the day disclosure" method is also acceptable. it may be open to abuse for low volume sites (based on finding hash collisions, much in the same way mining works) but doesn't seem too practical

19:01:55 mircea_popescu: client's last deposit tx is good, and a lot of space in there in the block in case it's needed.

19:02:19 mircea_popescu: i still say you should make a blog.

19:02:40 Namworld: It doesn't help much if the system is targetting accounts with large balance and stops cheating after a small sample/when the large balance isn't making large bets.

19:03:03 mircea_popescu: this is true

19:03:10 Namworld: They could steal a few thousands extra BTC on large bets which might not seem too odd until it's too late.

19:03:27 Namworld: Would also be costly to attempt to verify by betting.

19:04:25 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitbet-us-scammers-ignore-delivered-bfl-products.114047/

19:04:25 assbot: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products | Bitcointa.lk

19:04:26 mircea_popescu: lol epic

19:07:03 mircea_popescu: Namworld do you see why the jd "show on request" model is slightly stronger for fairness than the "fixed time disclosure" ?

19:08:26 mircea_popescu: pankkake "Then there is services like" there are.

19:09:13 Namworld: How is it stronger for fairness? Server seed provided prior to client seed.

19:09:45 mircea_popescu: let me show you a model.

19:09:48 pankkake: I thought about it, and decided "there is" was the correct form, as I am saying "services like this exist"

19:09:53 Namworld: Sure

19:10:02 pankkake: but maybe I am confused about the grammar

19:10:08 mircea_popescu: you are yes.

19:10:15 mircea_popescu: Namworld suppose site switcxhes at 1 btc. so :

19:10:28 mircea_popescu: server seed is "A". 0.1 btc comes in, is calculated. wins or loses.

19:10:34 mircea_popescu: 0.2 btc comes in, idem calculated.

19:10:52 mircea_popescu: at this point, server is also mining, and knows that hash "B" would also be consistent with the history so far.

19:11:05 mircea_popescu: ie, either "A" or "B" would give the 0.1 and 0.2 bets same results.

19:11:29 mircea_popescu: 1.2 btc bet comes in. server looks at results, A wins, B loses. server picks its hash as B and reconstructs the merkle tree

19:11:51 mircea_popescu: now, if you know when the hash will have to be revealed, this is possible

19:12:02 mircea_popescu: if hash may be revealed at any random point, this is suddenly problematic

19:12:55 Namworld: There's a single server seed for all users for the day... with its hash predisclosed. It would be pretty much impossible to reasonably find another seed that matches the hash...

19:12:56 mircea_popescu: the absolutely ideal system, imo, would be a server that used the same secret for ALL PLAYERS and reset it (for all players) at any player's request. but this poses problems for anon players.

19:12:59 mircea_popescu: it's a conundrum

19:13:14 mircea_popescu: Namworld a you also predisclose the hash ?

19:13:24 ThickAsThieves: pankkake why do you lie to us http://www.coindesk.com/intuit-merchants-accept-bitcoin-paybycoin-service/

19:13:24 assbot: Intuit Lets Merchants Accept Bitcoin With New 'PayByCoin' Service

19:13:38 Namworld: Yes, there's a list with months of secrets' hashes provided upfront.

19:13:48 Namworld: Like JD provides the server's seed hash.

19:13:49 ThickAsThieves: (intuit is what most small businesses and more use for acconting in US)

19:14:13 mircea_popescu: Namworld a ok nm then, it's quite strong

19:14:25 Namworld: Here: https://coinroll.com/files/secrethashes.txt

19:14:57 mircea_popescu: "Now some guy now wants" pankkake must proof moar omg

19:14:57 Namworld: That and we don't provide a default client seed, we use the blockchain transaction ID of the last deposit.

19:15:07 mircea_popescu: Namworld ya that part is very good.

19:15:09 Namworld: So by default all players should be covered correctly

19:15:29 Namworld: No work to do on the user's part, other than verification.

19:15:45 mircea_popescu: Namworld why is that txt not signed ?

19:16:24 mircea_popescu: and also it's a fine example of what'd go into the bitcoin-assets registrar of deeds.

19:16:28 mircea_popescu: was someone working on that ?

19:16:52 pankkake: this is why I usually don't publish after writing, but hey…

19:17:28 ThickAsThieves: The BA Registrar & Brokerage House & Auto Parts

19:17:37 mircea_popescu: lol

19:17:38 Namworld: Not sure, would probably be best for list to be signed.

19:17:46 Namworld: Jurov would have to look into that.

19:17:59 mircea_popescu: Namworld if you want i can sign it for you. then whoever wants to say you changed it will also have to say i signed a new version.

19:19:17 Namworld: If you're willing to do so, it would be great. Don't forget to include date.

19:20:10 mircea_popescu: alrighty.

19:20:12 dignork: mircea_popescu: waste some money - http://www.proofofexistence.com/about

19:20:12 assbot: Proof of Existence

19:20:15 Namworld: I trust jurov not to lose/have list of secrets compromised. Although list/signatures might need to be updated if Coinroll is sold again to another party or list is compromised.

19:20:30 mircea_popescu: dignork youll have to search for that term :D

19:21:04 Namworld: A date with signatures shows when it was acknowledged to be changed. Such that none can claim a specific change occured prior to that date.

19:21:15 Namworld: Maybe dooglus would be willing to sign the list too.

19:21:33 Namworld: 2 strong parties to sign, along with jurov as the owner.

19:21:43 Namworld: Should be sufficient.

19:22:47 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665403.0

19:22:48 assbot: Why Do You Invest?

19:23:53 dignork: mircea_popescu: irony detector fails me today, the link was about provable timestamping, for you gpg sig on Namworld text

19:24:40 mircea_popescu: dignork http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=proofofexistence

19:24:41 assbot: 3 results for 'proofofexistence' - #bitcoin-assets search

19:29:13 mircea_popescu: Namworld http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/coinrolltxt.asc

19:30:02 mircea_popescu: pankkake it's not you is it ?

19:30:16 pankkake: no, it's the infamous crumbs

19:30:38 Namworld: Thank you very much.

19:31:21 Namworld: I'll ask dooglus if he can do the same. Jurov or wao can publish both signed text files on the verification page.

19:31:38 mircea_popescu: sure.

19:32:09 []bot: Bet created: "Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer to be Yahoo CEO no more" http://bitbet.us/bet/967/

19:32:11 mircea_popescu: what's crumbs infamous for again ?

19:32:26 pankkake: trolling Legitimate Bitcoin Companies

19:34:00 mircea_popescu: lol k

19:34:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04747994 = 0.7122 BTC [-] {2}

19:35:13 mircea_popescu: "A more formalized version of this should be linked/appended to every single IPO offering on the forums as a cautionary tale. "

19:35:22 mircea_popescu: yeah, totally, let's ban mpoe-pr for doing it :D

19:35:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-starts-deploying-cloud-mining-customers-waiting-monarchs/

19:36:07 mircea_popescu: oggnasty : "Valuing these offerings over time in BTC is idiotic..."

19:36:10 mircea_popescu: herpderp.

19:36:46 mircea_popescu: "You ask why people invest... Let me answer that for you as I have decades of experience providing analysis to investors... "

19:36:48 mircea_popescu: o brother.

19:38:00 mircea_popescu: o wait. I'm lambchop ?!

19:38:09 pankkake: so altcoin hashrate is basically one KnC Neptune

19:38:28 mircea_popescu: 3th or so no ?

19:38:33 pankkake: yes

19:39:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00082742 = 4.3026 BTC [-]

19:39:40 mircea_popescu: yeah. like 6k usd total investment.

19:39:59 mircea_popescu: or about 10 btc. while a block is worth about 5k-10 satoshi

19:40:12 mircea_popescu: so you'd have to find 100k blocks or thereabouts to break even

19:40:28 mircea_popescu: (did i fuck up my math ?)

19:42:07 mircea_popescu: pankkake http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/#comment-101734 fixed link nao can has pingback

19:42:08 assbot: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:44:38 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin with an infinite but reasonable inflation would not be so different."

19:44:41 mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that mean

19:45:09 pankkake: I agree the formulation isn't ideal. I mean, what if block reward was 1 BTC forever

19:45:51 mircea_popescu: but you're right, the only current business of pseudo-bitcoin businesses a la coinbase, bitpay etc is that they're benefiting from a legal inefficiency, where exchanges that admit it are being fucked actively, whereas exchangesd that pretend to be paymernt processors aren't fucked quite as bad quite as yet.

19:46:59 mircea_popescu: pankkake that is matematically equivalent to "each block is its own sort of halving"

19:47:20 mircea_popescu: in theory it should make no difference.

19:47:27 pankkake: yes. but even yearly fixed inflation wouldn't be that bad imho

19:47:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, i like your newfound activity.

19:48:06 mircea_popescu: well imho based on what ?

19:48:28 mircea_popescu: This blog is the inalienable property of the greatest mind the universe ever had, and is ever going to have. Its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons License.

19:48:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04200184 = 0.588 BTC [-] {2}

19:48:30 mircea_popescu: I encourage you to visit the links: the profiles section will help you in your daily worshiping of myself, while the other sections will allow you to experience the productions of some other great minds. However, you will come to the inevitable conclusion that I?m better than all of them combined.

19:48:31 mircea_popescu: hahaha srsly ?>

19:49:09 pankkake: I think predictable money supply is the most interesting property

19:49:31 pankkake: of course, Bernankoin has somewhat predictable money supply and is worthless by design

19:49:41 mircea_popescu: actually i think something else is the most interesting property, and sorta too lazyto write blogpost

19:54:07 mircea_popescu: actually looking at http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ ... 60 posts past two weeks ?

19:54:08 assbot: Assets Assimilated

19:54:22 mircea_popescu: quite the vibrant little community we got here. there's even a manul in a treehouse!

19:56:25 pankkake: and many new blogs

20:09:56 mircea_popescu: like 3 posts / head i tcomes to

20:14:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0478897 = 1.6761 BTC [+] {2}

20:18:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00082568 = 43.761 BTC [-] {4}

20:21:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00082405 = 14.5857 BTC [-] {2}

20:23:05 kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats

20:23:06 gribble: Current Blocks: 307808 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 639 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 17 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16689850735.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.97216

20:27:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.0478 = 1.0038 BTC [-]

20:33:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0478 = 0.717 BTC [-]

20:38:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008229 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2}

20:54:39 mthreat: http://bakerlaw.com/alerts/bitcoin-investment-vehicles-beware-the-sec-is-watching

20:54:40 assbot: Bitcoin Investment Vehicles Beware The SEC is Watching | BakerHostetler

20:59:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0008293 = 11.3614 BTC [+] {2}

21:02:13 mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/06/19/daniellemaye-30789/images/full/05.jpg

21:02:18 mircea_popescu: dem shoes

21:04:08 mircea_popescu: mthreat all this "we gotta say something and we have no idea what to say so here's a collection of copypasted material with filler" shit...

21:04:50 mircea_popescu: fiat people : stop trying to pretend bitcoin is fiat. bitcoin is not fiat. more importantly, your expiration date is in the past.

21:05:24 rithm: evoorhees according to that article left 5100BTC positive and $50,000 usd negative in fines

21:05:47 rithm: which sounds like a terribll terribly punitive slap on the wrist

21:06:17 rithm: but yeah that regurgitated

21:08:10 mircea_popescu: rithm the misguided pretense as to jurisdiction is starting to get on my nerves. sec doesn't actually make it, but all sorts of dr foreskin lapdogs fall over each other to "create consensus"

21:09:18 rithm: if you can tell them to fuck off, and trendon can lie to them and destroy evidence, and erik can keep all his bitcoins and fay a minor usd fine.....

21:09:32 rithm: nm i decided not to finish that sentence

21:09:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00083085 = 6.4806 BTC [+]

21:10:19 rithm: also aparently the IRS only keep backup tapes for 6 months

21:10:57 mircea_popescu: well that depends. if it suits them, they only keep them for 6 months.

21:11:07 rithm: that's what i learned

21:11:25 mircea_popescu: otherwise, you're "legally required" to keep the records for... ever.

21:11:51 rithm: why have i been filing these taxes and keeping these papers for so long if I can just say "i dunno"

21:11:58 mircea_popescu: i so wouldlike to see someone grow some fucking balls and argue in court that they're not hold to do anything the irs wants because well... the irs doesn't follow the law.

21:13:09 ThickAsThieves: "As we have capacity available and as we gain more capacity, we will be activating more people in Cloud Mining. As we ship out hardware and disable the people with Cloud Mining after they have their hardware shipped, we will allocate that capacity to the next people in line. "

21:13:17 ThickAsThieves: BFL, the hits keep coming

21:13:46 ThickAsThieves: they are giving people rented hash shares instead of shipping their hardware

21:13:51 ThickAsThieves: pretty awesome stuff

21:13:55 mircea_popescu: sure.

21:14:10 mircea_popescu: please keep buying shit at par, we'll give you rented hashes for 5% six months later

21:14:14 mircea_popescu: the gigavps method

21:14:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the sec is too fucking snotty to actually get to work at strangling these idiots.

21:18:42 rithm: mircea_popescu, even better rent the burn-in period as "cloud hashing"

21:18:51 rithm: it's really all the same

21:19:34 mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli

21:19:36 mircea_popescu: "burn-in" lol

21:19:41 rithm: basically you could operate a pool of anonymous miners that constantly roll-over and get shipped to customers

21:19:51 rithm: as part of a lrger operation

21:21:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083085 = 2.7418 BTC [+]

21:22:57 ThickAsThieves: 'How much of a threat is something like Bitcoin?' "We settle and pay out in 121 currencies ... once bitcoin is regulated ... why wouldn't we use bitcoin ... if it's regulated as a currency" ~ Western Union CEO

21:24:59 mircea_popescu: truth is bitcoin is exactly going to kill them. western union has a market made out of illiterate peasants and assimilated non-persons, which is not really worth serving per se,

21:25:19 mircea_popescu: and a market of "hackers" let's say, ie, the sons and daughters of said iliterate peasants. who will just move to bitcoin.

21:25:30 ThickAsThieves: Aereo lost huh

21:25:46 pankkake: WU is used for many scams, so they are truly in competition with Bitcoin

21:26:06 ThickAsThieves: "The 17 most important things Google announced at I/O" lol

21:26:49 rithm: i've seen WU operate in poor countries

21:26:52 rithm: it's a monopoly

21:27:22 rithm: i should say 3

21:27:25 mthreat: it's kinda like western union saying they won't use the internet until it's regulated

21:27:30 rithm: "countries" sounds like a lot

21:27:46 rithm: but i've seen them in mexico, the vigin islands, and western samoa

21:27:53 rithm: there's a WU on every block

21:28:15 pankkake: well that's what they're selling. send money, everywhere

21:28:35 pankkake: perhaps the real competitor is localbitcoins

21:34:42 ThickAsThieves: "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin, increasing the risk there could be inconsistencies in the financial reporting of bitcoin transactions. The lack of accounting rules means the coin will be accounted and reported using the most appropriate standards that exist making it challenging to compare GAAP between different companies

21:34:42 ThickAsThieves: transacting in bitcoin. Investors should carefully watch and judge the reporting to make sure they understand, and agree, with management’s view." Moodys

21:36:47 ThickAsThieves: Name of the Day: Perianne Boring, of Boring & Company

21:51:49 mircea_popescu: somebody failed to read up on the nz0

21:51:51 mircea_popescu: who was it ?

21:52:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00082231 = 6.2496 BTC [-]

21:52:40 bitcoinpete: pankkake davout do either of you boys know anyone at the "house of bitcoin" in paris?

21:52:54 pankkake: I think davout does

21:53:04 mircea_popescu: No results found for "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin".

21:53:10 mircea_popescu: someone gotta up their googlefu

21:53:15 bitcoinpete: pankkake: heh cool

21:53:54 mircea_popescu: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/offtopic-abandoning-bitstamp/ < pankkake wrong link ?

21:53:55 assbot: Page not found | Bitcoin Trading Signals

21:54:01 ThickAsThieves: mp the quote was not from PR

21:54:13 ThickAsThieves: internal data sheet

21:54:29 mircea_popescu: "The poorly thought trust system also highly favor said organization" favors. cause singular.

21:54:29 pankkake: I think he removed the post

21:54:30 bitcoinpete: a "bitcoiner" i know from calgary is in paris atm and headed to the house of bitcoin

21:54:43 bitcoinpete: apparently they knew yours truly from twitter and -assets

21:55:09 bitcoinpete: was curious if any of the house of bitcoiners were here

21:55:29 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves internal to whom ?

21:56:23 ThickAsThieves: "Sector Comment" looks like an internal newsletter or somesuch

21:56:57 ThickAsThieves: it has a "Rate this Research" button on the bottom, so i'm guessing itll be on their website somewhere

21:57:06 mircea_popescu: right but i mean of whom or what or in general, who needs to be hit over the head with the observation that the bitcoin space has had a gaap for years and they're being ignorant.

21:57:11 ThickAsThieves: ah

21:57:47 mircea_popescu: just because scammers don't use gaap in fiat too doesn't give ignoramuses aspiring to comment the right to pretend gaap doesn't exist, or its use isn't legally mandatory.

21:58:01 ThickAsThieves: it's by Jason Cuomo, Senior Accounting Analyst & Jeffrey Berg, Senior Vice President

21:59:00 ThickAsThieves: Production Associate, Srinivasan Raghavan

21:59:01 mircea_popescu: there's about 50 diff lawyers of that name. anyway.

21:59:10 mircea_popescu: is this some sort of webcast ?

21:59:13 ThickAsThieves: i have ph# if you really want it

21:59:23 ThickAsThieves: no it's pdf from a friend that knows a guy at Moodys

21:59:26 mircea_popescu: finding the source link to a quote has never been this difficult

21:59:44 mircea_popescu: a. well then i guess friend can see the log or w/e.

21:59:47 ThickAsThieves: Report Number: 167942

22:00:24 thestringpuller: girls just wanna have fuuuun

22:00:27 mircea_popescu: lol

22:00:38 mircea_popescu: anyway this aereo thing is going to cause problems in the future.

22:00:58 mircea_popescu: ?Why should any of these technological differences matter?? Breyer wrote. ?They concern the behind-the-scenes way in which Aereo delivers television programming to its viewers? screens. They do not render Aereo?s commercial objective any different from that of cable companies.?

22:01:16 mircea_popescu: "we decided not to go by what things are, but by what things seem to us" is nothing but an open invitation to be scammed.

22:02:07 mircea_popescu: ?It is not the role of this court to identify and plug loopholes,? Scalia wrote. ?It is the role of good lawyers to identify and exploit them, and the role of Congress to eliminate them if it wishes.? << i could see scalia as bitcoin chief justice.

22:02:36 ThickAsThieves: he's said some crazy shit though

22:02:52 mircea_popescu: like ?

22:03:00 justusranvier: It is the role of that court to present the peasants with the illusion of fair play and the rule of law so they don't revolt. They aren't doing a very good job.

22:03:03 ThickAsThieves: i forget exactly, we've discussed it here i think

22:03:24 ThickAsThieves: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalia

22:03:25 assbot: 14 results for 'scalia' - #bitcoin-assets search

22:04:11 mircea_popescu: justusranvier i dunno. as a compulsive reader of supreme court caselaw up until about the 70s i must say it was pretty good literature.

22:04:38 justusranvier: They used to do a much better job of maintaining the illusion.

22:04:49 mircea_popescu: i guess that argument is always available.

22:04:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl!

22:06:02 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: For when you get back: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm

22:06:44 justusranvier: Try not to let the atrocious web design detract from the content.

22:07:36 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.40421879 BTC. Current weight: 48,020.

22:11:11 davout: bitcoinpete: yeah, i know the guys and the place

22:11:29 davout: wai

22:12:43 moiety: someone tell me again why i run a site that attracts utter retardation on a frequent basis

22:12:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7719 @ 0.00082254 = 6.3492 BTC [+]

22:13:11 bitcoinpete: davout seems they follow the action on -assets and know who i am, much to the surprise of a developer i know visiting paris

22:13:15 dub: wat is house of bitcoin?

22:13:58 bitcoinpete: it's a bit surprising to me too because most of those community-minded types wouldn't (and couldn't) touch -assets with a 10 ft stick

22:14:21 davout: dub: it's like a coworking space/atm spot/meetup place

22:14:24 bitcoinpete: dub my guess is an embassy/work space/community

22:14:29 bitcoinpete: right

22:14:39 dub: sounds like it should contain wax statues of scammers and retards

22:14:45 bitcoinpete: there's one in new york, tel aviv, montreal, etc

22:15:22 bitcoinpete: dub sorta

22:15:36 bitcoinpete: they should really just be here instead

22:15:36 davout: the guys are also behind the french "association bitcoin"

22:15:55 bitcoinpete: and no doubt they're pushing for merchant adoption. and regulation

22:16:43 dub: is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto

22:16:56 davout: dub: that sounds like redditspeak

22:20:40 dub: give a troll a break, trying to fill my quota here

22:24:10 mircea_popescu: justusranvier lol that's quickly becoming one of the most loved b-a links

22:24:45 mircea_popescu: moiety cause you're new ?

22:26:09 pankkake: I googled "Bitcoin is not a payment network" and guess who I end up finding… MPOE-PR

22:26:22 mircea_popescu: surprise surprise

22:26:27 mircea_popescu: (but yes I said it first)

22:26:57 mircea_popescu: <dub> is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto << don't knock it, it's a splendid strategy.

22:29:19 davout: "(but yes I said it first)" <<< i think i said that in 2010 ;)

22:29:30 mircea_popescu: but since pankkake got me re-reading old things, yea, i like this fluffypony bit :

22:29:32 mircea_popescu: "That last point probably needs some elaboration. You see, #bitcoin-assets makes a distinction between ?being wrong? and ?being stupid?. If you are ?wrong? about something the implication is (and should be) that you are self-aware enough to explain your reasoning well enough that one of three outcomes occur: those in conversation either come round to your point of view; or they agree that you have a valid l

22:29:32 mircea_popescu: ine of reasoning and are entitled to hold that viewpoint; or your self-awareness and general level of intelligence allows you to change your opinion or view. Thus, being ?wrong? (or having to defend your view) is encouraged!"

22:29:47 mircea_popescu: davout yeah but yours doesn't count because it was before mine!

22:31:05 mircea_popescu: http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ?

22:31:58 davout: mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpusbL62eB4&feature=kp

22:31:58 assbot: Orlando's - YouTube

22:32:20 mircea_popescu: btw, nigeria lost

22:32:32 davout: yo, playing france on the 30th

22:32:59 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

22:33:06 davout: france vs. ecuador was such a fucking pain to watch

22:33:14 mircea_popescu: are they playing the women's french team ?

22:34:24 bitcoinpete: pankkake: are you on twitter?

22:34:30 pankkake: no

22:34:45 bitcoinpete: a ok

22:34:51 mircea_popescu: he threatened to kill trayvon martin

22:34:55 mircea_popescu: and got suspended

22:35:05 bitcoinpete: lol

22:35:38 bitcoinpete: just wanted to see if i could attribute your articles there

22:35:59 mircea_popescu: he has a blog

22:36:01 pankkake: funny though, friends randomly met some guy that knew me from what.cd, I have achieved mild internet celebrity

22:36:12 bitcoinpete: i doubt @headfucking is taken

22:36:21 bitcoinpete: ok confirmed now, it's free

22:36:23 davout: or takeable i'd assume

22:36:51 pankkake: I *had* a Twitter account but was never really active, and closed it years ago

22:36:59 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: agreed. blog > twitter

22:37:06 davout: hm, i guess @fuck is taken, so tis possibru

22:38:09 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/fuckme

22:38:10 assbot: The Watcher (fuckme) auf Twitter

22:38:15 mircea_popescu: dead since 2011

22:38:21 mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the year twitter peaked.

22:38:59 bitcoinpete: pretty much

22:39:08 bitcoinpete: 2010 seemed to be the coming out party

22:39:16 bitcoinpete: 2011 was probably tops

22:39:30 bitcoinpete: and here we are, 3 years on. starting new blogs

22:40:21 pankkake: I had a blog when it was trendy to have one

22:40:43 bitcoinpete: lol donations! http://www.coindesk.com/adopt-node-project-aims-bolster-bitcoin-network-security/

22:40:43 assbot: 'Adopt a Node' Project Aims to Bolster Bitcoin Network Security

22:40:57 bitcoinpete: pankkake: and when was this?

22:41:00 moiety: i'm learning quick though mircea_popescu :]

22:41:21 mircea_popescu: :p remember kitten, one of the first things i said to you was wtf you doing with the doge

22:41:23 pankkake: my first post is probably 2004

22:41:41 moiety: do yous remember the failed attampt at a bitcoin facebook?

22:41:50 davout: moiety: lol no, shoot

22:42:11 moiety: mircea_popescu: a question I have since repeated tomyself so many times.

22:42:51 moiety: davout, it was exactly the same as facebook but orange and had bitcoin symbols everywhere. i think it failed so badly, theytried to sell it and couldn't even pan it off

22:42:53 pankkake: wait I've been running a node for years, can I get paid?!

22:43:04 pankkake: or is it only funding nodes ran by the same guy (but decentralization!)

22:43:23 bitcoinpete: pankkake: running nodes, writing for your blog, everything should get you paid!

22:43:31 pankkake: actually, first post: September 2003

22:43:36 bitcoinpete: solid

22:43:49 mircea_popescu: on reading http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/f-derp-short-risky-bitcoin-startups/2014/06/25 towards where it says "the log of the original discussion", am i the only one for whom that link comes as some sort of doge thing rather than a log linkj ?

22:43:52 assbot: F.DERP, A New Bitcoin Short-Only Hedge Fund Targeting Major Bitcoin Startups

22:43:56 mircea_popescu: somethign weird going on with overlays in there

22:44:23 mircea_popescu: pankkake can you believe the braindamage ?

22:45:34 TheNewDeal: ok I have a stupid question. What happens if I have two vending machines that sit side by side and both accept bitcoin. Will people have to wait for 6 confirmations to receive goods, or is there some other way to receive their bitcoin safely?

22:45:39 pankkake: link is ok, thank god for noscript/requestpolicy/etc

22:46:04 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal at the size of your purchase you can prollylet them go on one confirm. who's gonna dblspend for a can of coke

22:46:18 TheNewDeal: friggin candy addicts

22:46:21 pankkake: do you think they will double spend to buy cheap food? in a physical location?

22:46:30 mircea_popescu: get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it

22:47:09 mircea_popescu: you got a better deal with this than with them putting in us quarters anyway.

22:47:29 TheNewDeal: ok what happens if I have a laundromat and the washer accept bitcoin. Someone finds out they can just come and get two loads for the price of 1, dry 2 loads for the price of 1, etc

22:47:39 mircea_popescu: ya right,.

22:47:49 justusranvier: re: getting paid to operate nodes: http://sourceforce.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32467926/

22:47:49 assbot: sourceforce.net

22:47:55 mircea_popescu: someone doing that much hash doesn't need your puny 5kw tumble drier

22:48:02 mircea_popescu: they got their very own 12 MW thing

22:48:05 TheNewDeal: do you need to hash at all?

22:48:09 mircea_popescu: yes.

22:48:16 TheNewDeal: I thought you could just send 2 transactions before a block is mined

22:48:24 mircea_popescu: so you'd see the other one first ?

22:48:46 TheNewDeal: doesnt propagation take on the scale of minutes?

22:48:53 mircea_popescu: 6 confirms (as opposed to 1 confirm) only matters if they are actively mining and attacking the chain

22:49:08 mircea_popescu: 1 confirm (as opposed to 0 confirms) helps if they try to isolate you in the convey txn graph

22:49:19 mircea_popescu: but this you can fight by keeping good peers.

22:49:48 pankkake: nodes shouldn't propagate the doublespent tx if they have the first, but of course it's not 100% reliable

22:50:13 mircea_popescu: it's about 96% reliable atm i think

22:50:20 TheNewDeal: couldn't any derp go to blockchain tho?

22:50:38 TheNewDeal: just use the doublespend feature

22:50:52 pankkake: you mean bitundo?

22:50:55 mircea_popescu: it';s not really all that trivial.

22:51:20 mircea_popescu: nobody's doublespending your .85 bitcent stale sandwich

22:51:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0163868 = 0.8193 BTC [+] {2}

22:51:33 TheNewDeal: more concerned about the laundry :D

22:51:34 davout: am i the only one to think it's actually stupid to not relay double spends ?

22:51:39 mike_c: this was explored exhaustively with satoshi dice. some serious gymnastics pulled it off with trivial amounts, and SD then reacted and closed that loophole as well.

22:51:53 pankkake: davout: I've read some interesting debates but I don't remember them

22:51:55 TheNewDeal: can I get a linky to their solution?

22:51:58 mircea_popescu: yeah, what mike_c said.

22:52:26 mircea_popescu: davout not really much diff. sort-of poisons you as it were.

22:52:34 moiety: davout: I can't find any screens of it. here's the logo https://bitcointa.lk/data/avatars/m/78/78316.jpg?1393513983 Bitcoin Socially it was called.

22:52:43 mike_c: the double spend had to do with making the SD tx ugly (lots of inputs), and double-spending with a fee. SD just started using fees and problem went away iirc.

22:53:12 davout: mircea_popescu: "sort-of poisons you as it were." <<< does not parse

22:53:30 pankkake: iirc the payment protocol (I know, right) can make propagating the transaction the responsibility of the merchant

22:53:42 mircea_popescu: davout type 1 (pick one tx, relay that) "poisons" the nodes that got the dblspend. type 2 (relay all) doesn't.

22:54:01 mircea_popescu: imo type 1 behaviour is better

22:54:32 mircea_popescu: but they don't make that much difference

22:54:37 davout: pankkake mircea_popescu i tend to think it's better to transparently relay both txes, so that they're much easier to detect if you care about them

22:54:56 mircea_popescu: well yeah. conversely, type 1 makes it obvious which nodes get poisoned

22:55:04 mircea_popescu: would you rather see the bad tx or the "bad" nodes ?

22:55:47 davout: i think it's easier to handle an obvious double spend than to keep track of 'good' vs. 'evil' nodes

22:55:49 mircea_popescu: seeing how blacklisting is still a thing, consensus kinda favoured current behaviour for good game theoretic reasons

22:55:54 pankkake: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3354

22:55:56 assbot: Relay first-double-spend transactions by gavinandresen Pull Request #3354 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub

22:56:01 mircea_popescu: it was argued this isn't so smart. but anyway

22:58:25 Naphex: anyone can recommend a easy tool to sign multi-sig transactions ?

22:58:33 Naphex: to pass to a noob to sign his stuff

22:58:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, node behaviour is going to be the major topic of 2015 i suspect.

22:59:18 mircea_popescu: they have no incentive (perhaps the best candidate for a satoshi oversight is not putting any incentive for tx relay at all) to behave properly and a lot of different types of misbehaviours necessarily include themn

22:59:20 TheNewDeal: why so

23:00:28 davout: mircea_popescu: "it was argued this isn't so smart." <<< i'd be interested in reading the argument

23:01:12 mircea_popescu: davout you're mostly rehashing it right now ?

23:01:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, salmon's here. bbl #2!

23:02:59 davout: mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i'm usually not very fond of arguments that nodes should behave a particular way, simply interested in the case against transparently relaying all legal txes, even if they are double spends

23:05:20 TheNewDeal: well what happens to a node that has a transaction and receives information about a double spend of that transaction?

23:06:00 mike_c: you mean what happens when a block is orphaned?

23:06:17 TheNewDeal: hmmm

23:06:34 TheNewDeal: i just started reading about this statoshi client today so forgive my ignorance http://coinchomp.com/2014/05/07/announcing-statoshi-realtime-bitcoin-node-statistics/

23:06:35 assbot: Announcing Statoshi: Realtime Bitcoin Node Statistics - CoinChomp

23:06:51 davout: TheNewDeal: you don't double spend a transaction, you double spend an output, but other than that, nothing really until one of them gets into a mined block, more information can't really hurt

23:07:19 TheNewDeal: unless of course you're receiving an immediate service

23:07:53 TheNewDeal: isn't there something about nodes being banned for like 24 hours for bad behavior?

23:09:19 TheNewDeal: I'm just thinking in terms of my vending machine example

23:09:40 TheNewDeal: might be in full retard mode

23:11:12 mthreat: anyone loaded the blockchain into a graph database like neo4j? google released another graph database today, https://github.com/google/cayley

23:11:12 assbot: google/cayley GitHub

23:11:45 davout: mthreat: i know a guy that did if you're interdasted

23:12:15 bitcoinpete: on the bitbettery: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/#comment-101741 nao with fickst avatar!

23:12:16 assbot: The results of the World Cup experiment. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:12:31 davout: TheNewDeal: i think what you're referring to is nodes banning some of their peers, you don't really ban nodes from the network

23:12:50 TheNewDeal: yes indeed

23:13:34 mthreat: davout: ya i'm kind of interested - any interesting results?

23:13:35 TheNewDeal: wasn't sure if it was considered bad behavior to propagate a double spent output

23:13:41 dignork: Naphex: if it's 2-3 multisig, check bitrated.com, it allows to use online generated keys, or just use pubkeys

23:13:58 davout: TheNewDeal: if you give some low value thing in exchange for a zero-conf tx, you might find it useful to immediately get the information that someone is attempting a double spend, rather than having the info cock-blocked

23:14:29 davout: mthreat: i didn't really dig, what kind of results are you after ?

23:14:45 Naphex: dignork: nah something custom, just sign a multisig with a privkey

23:14:58 mthreat: davout: nothing specific.. just seems like there could be some interesting stuff, watching the flow of coins

23:15:31 dignork: Naphex: https://github.com/spesmilo/sx then

23:15:31 assbot: spesmilo/sx GitHub

23:15:40 davout: mthreat: have you read the paper from adi shamir and dorit ron?

23:15:46 mthreat: davout: yeah

23:16:00 Naphex: the yeah i know sx, but needed something to give to a noob. who won;t be able to command line it:P

23:16:03 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu which fraudsters article featured this dood ? seem to recall seeing mr. wonderful there at some point http://www.businessinsider.com/chen-guangbiao-lunch-cash-giveaway-2014-6

23:16:04 assbot: Chen Guangbiao Lunch Cash Giveaway - Business Insider

23:16:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:16:09 Naphex: but i'll probably write something simple to sign it

23:16:51 davout: mthreat: so you know as much as i do ;) i'll put you in touch with the guy that did it if you want to implement sthg on your side

23:17:20 mthreat: davout: ah.. no that's ok.. thanks

23:17:52 davout: Naphex: you apparently haven't learned the "don't give people bitcoins if they ain't educated enough to handle them themselves" lesson heh?

23:20:25 Naphex: davout: just need em to sign a transaction once in a while

23:21:22 thestringpuller: davout: hah. but if those people make us look better.

23:24:45 davout: Naphex: maybe an idea would be for them to simply use the qt built-in console rather than a full-fledged terminal?

23:25:40 Naphex: davout: yep, but you need to make a json array with the redeemScript, inputs and script-pubkey

23:25:48 Naphex: which requires quite some manual work

23:25:55 Naphex: would probably be easier with bash and terminal

23:26:07 Naphex: then with current bitcoin-cli multisig

23:26:15 dignork: Naphex: you can show them full json on site/send by email w/e

23:26:59 Naphex: yeah - will probably just write some simple tool

23:27:06 Naphex: put raw transaction in, + privkey sign it

23:27:12 Naphex: i create transaction and just pass it

23:29:07 Naphex: probably even simplify and use lotsa scrypt rounds and use a password to gen priv key

23:29:12 Naphex: then they can just sign with password

23:30:17 dignork: Naphex: look at bitrated.com, they did it properly, and their code is on github

23:31:16 dignork: actually they - shesek, you can talk to him

23:31:34 Naphex: its no problem, was just looking for a already made tool

23:32:23 dignork: Naphex: there is also http://ms-brainwallet.org/ , but it's horribly wrong

23:32:24 assbot: Multi-Signature Brainwallet - JavaScript Client-Side Bitcoin Address Generator

23:32:52 Naphex: dignork: thx, haven't seen this one before

23:33:06 Naphex: only the outcast one which looked to only work with its own privkeys

23:33:09 Naphex: dunno why the hell

23:33:43 Naphex: dignork: lol, ms-brainwallet doesn't look right needing both keys :)

23:33:55 dignork: yeah, braindead

23:34:03 dignork: it was a POC code I assume

23:34:16 Naphex: probably

23:34:42 Naphex: but kinda fits, what i was looking for is something where you input transaction, signed & composed by person A

23:34:56 Naphex: and person B can just sign it providing redemption + privkey

23:35:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00082446 = 1.484 BTC [+]

23:35:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.04765432 = 1.7632 BTC [+] {3}

23:35:14 dignork: yeah, but it expects two privkeys :)

23:35:21 Naphex: and the raw transaction is read only :P

23:36:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0478 = 2.151 BTC [+]

23:39:16 Naphex: bitcoinjs looks to have multisig support

23:39:29 Naphex: maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that

23:39:58 dignork: Naphex: dealing with noobs, worst question is: how do I get a pubkey

23:40:18 mike_c: <+Naphex> maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that << famous last words?

23:40:35 Naphex: mike_c: its just for signing a transactions that is already composed and signed, multi sig also

23:40:56 Naphex: i wouldn't care much even if 2nd key got compromised, since the raw pre-signed transaction delivered is already composed

23:41:21 mike_c: "JavaScript-based cryptography" just sounds.. terrifying.

23:41:30 Naphex: i agree

23:41:44 Naphex: but for signing a multisig not that bad

23:42:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00082446 = 5.5239 BTC [+]

23:44:05 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ? /// I think it's my disqus avatar

23:44:16 ThickAsThieves: never forget!

23:46:40 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it /// until someone makes some AirbndUberApp that makes doublespending a crowdgoal or whatever

23:51:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.0008244 = 1.319 BTC [-]

23:58:07 Naphex: gn