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00:01:28 nubbins`: squares

00:02:36 moiety: hi nubbins`! how have you been?

00:02:41 nubbins`: benkay i think you mean dov charney :D

00:02:51 nubbins`: moiety heya, not bad, v busy with work

00:03:47 moiety: aw don't get too snowed under, breaks are good! i saw your picture :D loved the heart on the bum.

00:03:55 nubbins`: heh, tyvm

00:04:58 nubbins`: taking a break right now, in fact :D

00:05:47 moiety: glad to hear it! were the other pics yours too?

00:06:07 nubbins`: yeppers. i didn't design the manson poster tho, just printed em

00:06:15 moiety: really cool

00:11:14 moiety: nubbins`: i was going to suggest you watch a film but i think you've seen everything ever made XD

00:13:52 nubbins`: haven't seen much that's come out in the past decade or so

00:14:17 nubbins`: was going through a real meatspace phase D;

00:15:06 moiety: i watched Dead Man on kako's recommendation other night, reminded me of Seraphim Falls. both are good

00:17:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24192 @ 0.00095028 = 22.9892 BTC [+] {2}

00:27:14 benkay: nubbins`: yeah him

00:38:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00435001 = 0.1131 BTC [-] {2}

00:56:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00095083 = 32.5659 BTC [+] {3}

01:04:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50017458 = 1.0003 BTC [+] {2}

01:05:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00464636 = 0.9293 BTC [+] {6}

01:21:07 Apocalyptic: http://www.bitfin.com/

01:21:09 ozbot: Bitcoin Finance 2014 - Dublin Conference | Digital Money and the future of Finance

01:31:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00095294 = 32.2094 BTC [+] {4}

01:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12648 @ 0.0009537 = 12.0624 BTC [+]

01:47:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3452 @ 0.0009537 = 3.2922 BTC [+]

01:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095466 = 12.4583 BTC [+]

02:07:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00095466 = 8.5919 BTC [+] {3}

02:11:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32957 @ 0.0009515 = 31.3586 BTC [-] {2}

02:11:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07499999 = 0.15 BTC [+]

02:16:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 291 @ 0.00084557 = 0.2461 BTC [+] {3}

02:17:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 500 @ 0.00085 = 0.425 BTC [+] {3}

02:21:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04200012 = 0.168 BTC [+] {2}

02:22:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.042 = 0.252 BTC [-]

02:22:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4548 @ 0.00094995 = 4.3204 BTC [-]

02:22:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07019899 = 0.1404 BTC [+]

02:23:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.075 = 0.3 BTC [+]

02:23:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00465997 = 0.2004 BTC [+] {2}

02:28:46 decimation: mircea_popescu: hey, if fags can be married everywhere regardless whether they married, why shouldn't rednecks carry wherever they go. << because rednecks = kulaks http://theden.tv/2014/04/25/rednecks-are-the-new-kulaks/

02:46:04 ThickAsThieves: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/vernacular started a new section

02:46:06 ozbot: vernacular [bitcoin assets wiki]

02:46:27 ThickAsThieves: feel free to help with definitions, origins, new words, and links

02:51:04 decimation: mircea_popescu: "anyway, this constant tendency to abstract people out of life is a sickness by now." << I suspect as least 90% of USG spending is put toward programs who have the goal of treating people as if they were automatons

02:55:15 decimation: re: deep ocean robo-submarine: http://www.acq.osd.mil/osbp/sbir/solicitations/sbir20142/navy142.htm << USG wants some of them too (see N142-117), will pay fiat to tell them how

02:56:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [-]

02:57:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC [-]

02:58:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]

02:58:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

03:13:24 decimation: asciilifeform: did you ever take up benkay's suggestion to look at a greenarrays chip? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014 -- seems like a good alternative to your unavailable XC6216

03:17:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21819 @ 0.00094878 = 20.7014 BTC [-]

03:21:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00022808 = 0.1368 BTC [-] {2}

03:37:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07021292 = 2.8085 BTC [+] {3}

03:42:57 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com airbnb

03:42:58 gribble: Let's have fun with Paul Graham pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/; Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally pe fraudsters - Un ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/; The disadvantages of living among idiots pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/the- (1 more message)

03:46:27 asciilifeform: decimation: i've known about greenarrays for ages

03:48:56 asciilifeform: decimation: chuck moore's site appears dead!

03:49:02 asciilifeform: sadness.

03:49:47 asciilifeform: i should probably buy one of those things before they vanish entirely.

03:53:50 thestringpuller: do you ever sleep asciilifeform ? i'm pretty sure you and kakobrekla are robots...

03:54:04 asciilifeform: can't speak for kako - i sleep occasionally.

04:02:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {2}

04:19:13 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: damn you got some gems of entries in Bingo Blog

04:19:14 thestringpuller: love it

04:19:28 BingoBoingo: thanks thestringpuller

04:19:38 thestringpuller: Bitcoin with it's fixed maximum supply and decreasing rate of new coin generation is going to continue moving against the dollar. Any plan for a business that touches both Dollars and Bitcoins needs to be prepared for the contingencies of both Million Dollar Bitcoins and for One Dollar Bitcoins.[1] If either contingency breaks your business model, you need to rethink your business model unless you want to be runn

04:19:46 thestringpuller: i love that

04:19:48 thestringpuller: that quote is gold

04:20:35 BingoBoingo: Lol, that's an older one even

04:21:19 thestringpuller: yea but as you can see I just re read the AirBnb one and commented on my recent experience

04:23:15 BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah

04:24:26 thestringpuller: It's quite perplexing. If this experience were ocurring with a Bitcoin business this instant...it would definitively be a scam...

04:24:45 BingoBoingo: Yeah

04:24:46 thestringpuller: this is the exact reason fiat businesses will die, and I have learned that tonight

04:24:55 thestringpuller: first

04:24:56 thestringpuller: fucking

04:24:57 thestringpuller: hand

04:25:06 BingoBoingo: Oh, which business?

04:25:20 thestringpuller: AirBnb

04:25:31 thestringpuller: I've been onl hold for 50 minutes

04:25:47 BingoBoingo: Shit

04:26:03 BingoBoingo: Worse than the cable company

04:29:40 BingoBoingo: I think one of the big factors crippling fiat businesses is easy access to leverage. Lets operations learn to be weak.

04:30:01 thestringpuller: Exactly!

04:30:10 thestringpuller: That's why Simple.com was so revolutionary to me.

04:30:37 thestringpuller: Damn BingoBoingo I need to treat you to a baseball game this summer.

04:31:28 BingoBoingo: This simple thing looks interesting.

04:31:44 BingoBoingo: The baseball game might have to happen sometime before october ends

04:32:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00094797 = 18.201 BTC [-] {2}

04:33:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07022645 = 0.1405 BTC [+]

04:38:23 thestringpuller: Fuck yea. #bitcoin-assets baseball days

04:38:27 thestringpuller: holy shit that sounds fun

04:38:35 thestringpuller: seats near the field/dugout

04:38:46 thestringpuller: talk about bitcoin-assets shit while getting drunk

04:38:53 thestringpuller: watching the great american sport!

04:38:59 BingoBoingo: Or the bleachers, depending who is swinging hot.

04:40:25 BingoBoingo: And the stadium

04:40:54 thestringpuller: Damn. This is gonna be a good summer.

04:40:58 BingoBoingo: A kind of mini conference for those of us awaiting the gasenwagen as asciilifeform says.

04:42:16 thestringpuller: Baseball is a good excuse to gather I say. At least for us Americans lol

04:49:05 BingoBoingo: Yeah

04:50:40 BingoBoingo: Oh, I'll be sleeping soon.

05:02:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00094813 = 24.6988 BTC [+] {2}

05:11:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00094878 = 1.0437 BTC [+]

05:13:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07039389 = 1.1263 BTC [+] {2}

05:18:24 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell satoshijack cool

05:18:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:19:52 mircea_popescu: http://www.nameoftheyear.com/ apparently this is a thing

05:19:53 ozbot: Name of the Year

05:34:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]

05:39:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [-]

05:42:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

05:45:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]

05:55:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9017 @ 0.00094765 = 8.545 BTC [-]

06:17:19 mircea_popescu: for a quick laugh : http://pastebin.com/qDZwppcN

06:24:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00021217 = 0.1061 BTC [-] {2}

06:30:42 cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: regarding https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459941006210007040—first I'd seen it but I don't frequent the site. crazy stuff

06:30:56 cgcardona_: so ass backwards the way the US acts about online gambling

06:30:59 cgcardona_: like we're still on the mayflower

06:31:48 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ funny cause i had just written an article about exactly this

06:31:53 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/an-inventory-of-a-prison/

06:31:54 ozbot: An inventory of a prison pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:34:49 cgcardona_: wow i didn't realize you made the berkshire bet

06:35:15 cgcardona_: bitbet is kakobrekla's site yea?

06:35:31 cgcardona_: now part of MPex? (Still putting pieces together)

06:37:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60386 @ 0.00095079 = 57.4144 BTC [+] {4}

06:38:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31416 @ 0.00095354 = 29.9564 BTC [+]

06:40:43 mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET so start with the primary sources neh ?

06:40:44 ozbot: S.BBET last 357@0.00055999

06:41:34 cgcardona_: ah yes i see. how very cool. that site blew my mind the first time I saw it.

06:41:46 mircea_popescu: it;s not bad.

06:41:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla regularly gets cookies for it.

06:41:54 cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Creator of bitbet.us and creator of #bitcoin-assets

06:41:56 mircea_popescu: i eat them.

06:41:56 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.

06:42:02 cgcardona_: haha I bet you do :)

06:42:19 cgcardona_: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 cookie eating bitlord

06:42:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 1.

06:49:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8876 @ 0.00094722 = 8.4075 BTC [-] {2}

06:49:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0707 = 0.1414 BTC [+]

06:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 803 @ 0.00094403 = 0.7581 BTC [-]

07:13:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43921 @ 0.00094514 = 41.5115 BTC [+] {2}

07:13:53 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay` "I rapidly came to understand that the space compromised of people working on Bitcoin" you mean comprised ?

07:13:53 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:17:31 *: fluffypony stretches

07:20:15 fluffypony: thestringpuller: just read your Airbnb thing, they sound truly retarded

07:22:52 mircea_popescu: between the "you gotta break your lease to use our site" and the "you can't talk to your customers as per our rules", the whole thing should be illegal.

07:23:23 fluffypony: I agree

07:23:24 mircea_popescu: that the SEC is not probing it simply speaks of how the SEC is more of an instrument of private interest than any sort of justice.

07:23:42 fluffypony: I'd hate to have random people I don't know and have never spoken to staying in my house whilst I'm not there

07:23:43 fluffypony: :/

07:24:16 mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of this, "build an alleged business on explicitly and directly requiring people to break the law, require them to not talk about it and then list on the nyse"

07:24:28 mircea_popescu: if ycombinator is allowed to do this, why aren't the crime families ?

07:24:34 fluffypony: thestringpuller: also I don't know if you know this, but BBVA (Spanish bank who bought Simple.com) are pro-Bitcoin, so maybe there will be some interesting integration sometime

07:24:40 fluffypony: lol

07:24:46 mircea_popescu: fluffypony how about you sublet half a duplex to some schmuck

07:24:53 mircea_popescu: which results in 3829 people staying there over 3 years.

07:25:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.06849876 = 4.7949 BTC [-] {15}

07:25:13 fluffypony: I'm pretty sure I'd need to get some sort of special license for that in parts of the world

07:25:18 fluffypony: especially in the US

07:25:25 fluffypony: aren't there hospitality licenses/requirements?

07:25:26 mircea_popescu: yes. including the parts of the world where airbnb domiciles.

07:25:37 mircea_popescu: somehow it's not been shutdown yet tho.

07:25:51 mircea_popescu: meanwhile charlie shrem is in jail etc.

07:26:01 fluffypony: landlords need to step up and start nailing tenants who use Airbnb

07:26:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06801676 = 2.0405 BTC [-] {3}

07:26:11 mircea_popescu: no. the sec needs to step up and have the shit delisted,

07:26:20 mircea_popescu: and the ny da needs to step up and slap charges on everyone involved.

07:26:31 mircea_popescu: the founders, the angels, the board members, the vcs that signed sheets.

07:26:43 fluffypony: agreed

07:27:09 HeySteve: I had an idea to improve security of f2f trades: beforehand buyer signs a contract stating his receiving address. if the buyer gets the coins but doesn't pay (as per security cam), theft is on record

07:27:12 mircea_popescu: want a fiat stock exchange as clean as mpex, gotta put in as much work as mpex does.

07:27:27 mircea_popescu: HeySteve what security cam is this ?

07:27:59 HeySteve: wherever they might choose to meet that has Big Brother around

07:28:15 mircea_popescu: how do you get access to the recording ?

07:28:48 HeySteve: I've read an account of where it was done, I think LocalBitcoins got involved. was either a bank or coffee shop

07:29:01 mircea_popescu: yes well there's a difference between a bank and a coffee shop.

07:29:35 mircea_popescu: the difference'd be that while the bank cam can be used in court, random joe blow does not get a copy

07:29:41 mircea_popescu: wheras the converse is true of a coffee shop

07:30:02 HeySteve: ah well then it's just a matter of finding a bitcoin-friendly bank that loves helping the public :D

07:30:31 mircea_popescu: that's akin to the matter of finding a girl that menstruates pearls.

07:30:44 HeySteve: heh

07:31:29 HeySteve: well, any recording where cash is clearly handed over will have some value as evidence, the contract being the evidence of bitcoin transferral

07:31:48 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay` "Quixotic damn mission. There are years of fraudulent insanity buried in that forum, and after two weeks of cataloging the madness had to take the project out back and shoot it in the head for fear I'd come down with whatever disease is infecting the brains of those who seek to throw their hard-won bitcoins at unknown entities across the internet. " << that then makes two for you eh ?

07:31:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:31:53 mircea_popescu: !up DonglordActual

07:31:53 assbot: Voicing DonglordActual for 30 minutes.

07:32:18 mircea_popescu: HeySteve sure, if you find people willing to post videos on themselves on your blog, you may have something.

07:33:24 danielpbarron: the cam helps the scammer

07:33:35 HeySteve: I'm thinking in Bitcoin-trendy places like Kreuzberg that shops accepting BTC would provide this service

07:33:43 danielpbarron: the point of the contract is to prevent the scammer from pretending no deal was supposed to take place

07:34:25 danielpbarron: since the camera footage would show one guy type on his phone and the other leave with the money he entered with

07:34:54 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i don't exactly follow ?

07:34:56 danielpbarron: or in the case I heard about: the headphones with which he entered

07:35:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15244 @ 0.00095186 = 14.5102 BTC [+]

07:35:59 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

07:35:59 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.23038790 BTC

07:36:09 danielpbarron: there was a real case where a guy said he wanted to sell his headphones for BTC; they met in a place that had a camera; the footage showed one guy type on his phone, and the other guy left with his headphones

07:36:11 mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://spagni.net/jdmpif/ << broken ?

07:36:22 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so how was the scammer helped ?

07:36:41 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: requires JavaScript, it's for the hipsters :-P

07:36:52 mircea_popescu: oic

07:37:05 danielpbarron: if the BTC guy tried to grab the headphones, it would look as if HE were the theif

07:37:10 danielpbarron: thief*

07:37:16 mircea_popescu: i saw a - i was all omg wtf i got robbed overnight!

07:37:30 fluffypony: LOL

07:37:33 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh i see. yep, you got a solid point there.

07:38:07 fluffypony: the JS just ends up loading and replacing the contents of the div with the value from here: http://spagni.net/jdmpif/jdmpif.txt

07:38:45 danielpbarron: and this really happened; so anyway, HeySteve had the good idea to get the cash guy to sign a GPG contract specifying his receiving address, before the face-to-face meeting

07:39:14 HeySteve: I wonder if it'd be worth developing a service for this, to make GPG contracts easier for casuals

07:39:20 danielpbarron: that way, the BTC guy can prove that fraud has taken place if the other guy tries to walk away after the transaction is broadcast

07:39:25 fluffypony: localbitcoins could integrate a quick and easy mutual GPG-signed contract

07:39:40 HeySteve: nothing stops LocalBTC taking the idea though

07:39:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony it could. verify that the contracts are signed.

07:39:51 fluffypony: HeySteve: the act of signing still requires a modicum of technical ability

07:40:01 fluffypony: although there are nice UIs nowadays

07:40:16 fluffypony: you'll still end up with people losing their privkeys

07:40:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046708 = 0.4671 BTC [+] {2}

07:40:21 danielpbarron: yeh it's not gonna happen

07:40:22 mircea_popescu: HeySteve actually a site like that, WebContract or w/e, where you simply put up html forms for people to ul their contracts and you verify them

07:40:27 mircea_popescu: that may well end up a big thing

07:40:34 mircea_popescu: make it a social media site centered around contract making

07:40:41 fluffypony: yeah, doesn't have to be GPG necessarily

07:40:41 HeySteve: yeah, maybe some on-site videos with excitable cartoon animals would help with the GPG stuff

07:40:48 mircea_popescu: indeed.

07:40:52 danielpbarron: in my experience, localbitcoin users do not have the patience to wait for 1 confirmation, let alone learn what GPG is

07:41:00 *: fluffypony nods

07:41:04 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so fuck them. users gotta be trained.

07:41:07 mircea_popescu: like any other dog.

07:41:19 danielpbarron: i agree

07:41:39 mircea_popescu: if it were up to the users, they wouldn't have the patience for the hambuger order either

07:41:41 danielpbarron: probably best not to even use that site

07:41:41 mircea_popescu: it's not.

07:41:48 HeySteve: the thing is, a LBTC sellers who got or are worried about being scammed in F2F would want it if it existed

07:42:06 HeySteve: could offer buyer a discount if they jump through the hoops

07:42:19 danielpbarron: gpg social media

07:42:24 danielpbarron: i like the sound of that

07:42:24 mircea_popescu: HeySteve cheaper than two guys with shotguns to back you up and a new pair of spatz every time some twennysomething spaz tries to be smart.

07:42:37 danielpbarron: is that something keybase is working towards?

07:43:33 HeySteve: lol

07:44:01 danielpbarron: (i know they want your private key, but you can use their service without giving it to them)

07:44:11 fluffypony: I don't get keybase.io

07:44:15 fluffypony: what is it supposed to be?

07:44:22 mircea_popescu: you can verify sigs with the pubkey, you don;'t need the private

07:44:43 HeySteve: hell maybe I'll just blog this idea and see what happens

07:44:43 danielpbarron: fluffypony: it's kinda along these lines except without posting the contracts

07:45:09 fluffypony: so why do they need your privkey?

07:45:14 fluffypony: not need, want

07:45:28 danielpbarron: it lets you make a social media style profile in which you can link other profiles by posting GPG signed proof messages

07:45:35 fluffypony: oic

07:45:44 fluffypony: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=spagni&op=index

07:45:45 ozbot: Search results for 'spagni'

07:45:45 fluffypony: there

07:45:46 fluffypony: keybase

07:45:49 fluffypony: :-P

07:45:54 danielpbarron: you can upload your priv key to them and use a password for future signings

07:46:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4935 @ 0.00095186 = 4.6974 BTC [+]

07:47:27 danielpbarron: that's not the same at all

07:47:45 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation so what, fags were kulaks at some point. they ceased to be exactly because they started pushing that sort of thing.

07:47:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:47:51 danielpbarron: keybase has you tweet from your twitter account, a special message containing a hash of a GPG signed statement of association

07:48:20 fluffypony: ok so they can "verify" your Twitter/Github/whatever is really you

07:48:30 danielpbarron: which you could do yourself, but keybase is like a yellow pages of these associations

07:48:30 fluffypony: but that they can do with just the pubkey...?

07:48:42 danielpbarron: yeah they don't need the priv key

07:48:53 fluffypony: jar

07:49:01 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: http://www.bitfin.com/ << all the people who aren't in Bitcoin finance but would like to be, so rather than join #bitcoin-assets prefer to pretend like they matter instead.

07:49:14 danielpbarron: it's all done in your browser but it's still not safe since you have to trust the script served up isn't malicious

07:49:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

07:49:59 danielpbarron: that's all only if you do it through the site, you can do the actual signing yourself without giving the site any private info

07:51:00 danielpbarron: that site is very pretty on my iPhone; this makes me distrust it

07:51:04 fluffypony: lol

07:51:10 fluffypony: responsive layouts aren't untrustworthy

07:51:17 fluffypony: that's just CSS media queries

07:51:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves << that's a huge thing, documenting all the memes. milk, and first, best and greatest and whoa nelly, tons of them

07:51:29 danielpbarron: i'm half kidding

07:52:37 HeySteve: it's the iphone itself which is the real risk

07:52:45 HeySteve: those things are backdoored to hell

07:53:11 danielpbarron: yeh, not happy with it overall

07:54:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4515 @ 0.00094414 = 4.2628 BTC [-]

07:55:33 fluffypony: I love my iPhone. but then again, I primarily use it as a phone. I do a bit of browsing and play games and have a bunch of apps of various utility, but I don't use it for anything I would consider sensitive

07:55:42 fluffypony: the whole "don't eat where you poop" thing

07:56:49 danielpbarron: i don't even like mine for the non-sensitive things; it just sucks all-around

07:57:34 fluffypony: meh, I'm the wrong person for this debate, I'd still use a 3310 if it had more games than Snake

07:58:21 danielpbarron: is that the nokia brick? I used that thing until it wouldn't charge anymore

07:58:34 fluffypony: lol

07:58:40 HeySteve: I'm still using a nokia brick :)

07:58:42 danielpbarron: i only got an iPhone because it's "free" if you're already on contract

07:59:10 danielpbarron: i kept using it even when the 3 key wouldn't work

08:04:45 thestringpuller: oh look people in other continents

08:05:38 fluffypony: Africa reprezent

08:05:56 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459966542122602496

08:05:57 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/5L8gDU5pZq cc ...

08:06:04 mircea_popescu: anyone want to make bets as to who shows up first ?

08:08:37 fluffypony: jerbrightcove hasn't tweeted since 2013

08:08:38 fluffypony: so not him

08:09:12 fluffypony: I'm guessing Karl Grayh

08:09:15 fluffypony: *Gray

08:11:40 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu I'm always surprised at how well educated you are on Hollywood.

08:11:46 thestringpuller: I guess I shouldn't be at this point.

08:12:23 mircea_popescu: i'm an educated young man, what.

08:13:45 thestringpuller: It's a great analogy you use between Bitcoin finance and Hollywood.

08:13:59 mircea_popescu: fluffypony my bet's on neville.

08:14:15 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller kinda proud of it myself :p

08:22:47 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Much like .nobody knows how to make movies. was generally true in Hollywood, .nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses. is generally true in Bitcoin." << I wish designers weren't as "uppity" these days. It's surprising that a designer straight out of school thinks they know how to "change the world" better than their predecessors who have been doing it for decades, yet these baby designers ha

08:26:03 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/kiwiiiduck/status/455360382748880896/photo/1/large

08:26:04 ozbot: Twitter / kiwiiiduck: changed "analogy" to autocorrect ...

08:27:01 thestringpuller: lel

08:27:32 Apocalyptic: lmao

08:27:32 fluffypony: heh

08:27:54 fluffypony: this dude's 10 year old sister got her first phone, some of these are priceless: http://imgur.com/a/uJ8Md

08:29:20 mircea_popescu: lol

08:30:31 fluffypony: the pretty simile is my favourite

08:35:00 mircea_popescu: !up JoshG

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08:46:01 mircea_popescu: heh, just had a business idea. rent garages in first home neighbourhoods, buy crap for the people doing pond shops, abandoned storage container auctions, police confiscation auctions etc

08:46:08 mircea_popescu: hold perpetual garage sales at "discounted" prices.

08:47:12 mircea_popescu: a pepper mill that retails for $25 at Bed Bath & Beyond could be yours for 35 cents and moved on to a 28yo fuckwit that just bought a diamond ring and a mortgage for the low low price of $5.

08:48:53 mircea_popescu: perfect fambly business, your gf could keep a network of friendly garage owners to rent from, your other gf could spend all her time doing one garage a day for five days a week, you can handle the buying and logistics.

08:49:02 mircea_popescu: probably beats prostitution, especially if your two gfs are ugly.

08:54:27 jurov: wut?

08:59:55 mircea_popescu: jurov garage sales. you know ?

09:00:47 punkman: do you have those in .ro?

09:01:04 punkman: seems like a US thing to me

09:01:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2790 @ 0.00095354 = 2.6604 BTC [+]

09:01:46 jurov: ah that i get it. need coffee

09:07:33 joecool: punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R57PlZFAeM

09:29:56 Naphex: garage sales!

09:30:01 Naphex: morning

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09:33:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6883 @ 0.00095354 = 6.5632 BTC [+]

09:34:12 thestringpuller: hahaha wow

09:34:20 thestringpuller: i really can't believe i came back from smoking and read that

09:36:21 jurov: here it works in exactly opposite manner

09:36:47 jurov: gypsies drive around and annoy everyone with recorded messages:

09:37:27 punkman: they do free garbage removal here, pick up old washing machines or whatever for scrap

09:37:30 jurov: Citizens! We buy old watches, pictures, scrap metal. Citizens, please make yourself heard!

09:37:53 thestringpuller: Citizens?

09:38:13 thestringpuller: curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ?

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09:42:34 jurov: he spent several years there

09:53:26 jurov: !up Skirmant

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10:00:28 cazalla: mircea_popescu: $5? tell him's dreamin'

10:01:32 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk aussie classic heh

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10:22:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0009498 = 12.4424 BTC [+] {2}

10:29:04 fluffypony: has anyone been following the Bytecoin/CryptoNote thing?

10:30:24 fluffypony: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bytecoin

10:30:30 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557322.0;all

10:30:32 ozbot: [BCN] Uncovering CryptoNote technology and Bytecoin BCN FAQ

10:31:06 fluffypony: apparently it's been around since April 2012 (according to the genesis block)

10:31:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30710 @ 0.00094648 = 29.0664 BTC [-] {3}

10:31:16 fluffypony: but Tor only

10:31:25 fluffypony: and everyone just woke up to its existence

10:31:33 fluffypony: "everyone" by some definition of everyone

10:33:41 HeySteve: hmm interesting

10:34:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12545 @ 0.0009425 = 11.8237 BTC [-] {2}

10:34:54 fluffypony: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

10:34:55 fluffypony: white paper

10:35:02 fluffypony: uses ring signatures

10:44:23 jurov: !up Vexual

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10:48:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17645 @ 0.00094193 = 16.6204 BTC [-] {2}

10:51:14 mircea_popescu: punkman they dun exist in .ro no

10:51:26 Vexual: hi mircea

10:51:41 jurov: !ip rithm

10:51:46 jurov: !up rithm

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10:51:49 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ? << i lived there, remember ? i live with us born chicks, too.

10:52:19 mircea_popescu: fluffypony apparently, only you

10:52:33 fluffypony: :-P

10:53:03 mircea_popescu: o look at that, Vexual is back ?

10:53:17 mircea_popescu: how was rehab!

10:53:54 mircea_popescu: Q: What is CryptoNote technology?

10:53:55 mircea_popescu: A: "An open-source technology and concepts for the cryptocurrencies of the future" as stated on the website. Also, CN developers state it clearly that they are not a coin itself, but rather a technological concept that allows creation of new cryptocurrencies.

10:54:01 mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder what people think words mean.

10:54:31 Vexual: :) okay. how was your party?

10:54:49 mircea_popescu: not bad! airbnb kept us 1 hour on hold

10:54:49 Vexual: conference

10:58:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9405 @ 0.00094688 = 8.9054 BTC [+]

10:58:57 mircea_popescu: fluffypony anyway, invite the rias guy over

10:59:20 fluffypony: rias?

10:59:25 mircea_popescu: ya

10:59:56 fluffypony: oh the dude that did that thread

11:00:02 fluffypony: [12:59:30] Rias signed on at 08 April 2014 at 12:27:14 PM SAST and has been idle for 1 week, 7 hours, 22 minutes, 48 seconds

11:00:24 fluffypony: he just compiled the info

11:00:25 fluffypony: "This whole story is quite strange and is getting stranger and stranger with each new fact about this cryptonote and bytecoin-bcn. I've started this topic to summarize all information that we have today. I feel like the best solution is faq with proof-links."

11:00:53 Vexual: whats cryptonaot? ive got 2 months or reading to do

11:01:07 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can assbot invite rias plox

11:01:25 fluffypony: I message'd him

11:01:42 mircea_popescu: a ty

11:01:52 mircea_popescu: "We propose a new memory-bound algorithm for the proof-of-work pricing function. It relies on random access to a slow memory and emphasizes latency dependence. As opposed to scrypt every

11:01:52 mircea_popescu: new block (64 bytes in length) depends on all the previous blocks. As a result a hypothetical ?memory-saver? should increase his calculation speed exponentially."

11:02:01 mircea_popescu: this seems unsound.

11:02:40 fluffypony: similar to scrypt-n, with that the n-factor is based on the previous block

11:02:58 mircea_popescu: yeah. this'll never work.

11:03:38 Vexual: how many sha 256 computers are there?

11:04:03 fluffypony: https://bytecoin.org/whitepaper.pdf

11:04:05 mircea_popescu: what;s a sha 256 computer ?

11:04:14 fluffypony: Vexual: you mean SHA-256 ASICs

11:04:16 fluffypony: ?

11:04:27 Vexual: is stuff with names like dragon you get off aliexpress

11:04:58 Vexual: whats altcoin diff?

11:05:13 fluffypony: AliExpress is a nice way to overpay for something and spend 3 months waiting for it

11:05:37 mircea_popescu: fluffypony apparently you weren't the only one looking at this, and apparently we don't think very much of it.

11:05:53 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I just heard about it today

11:05:57 mircea_popescu: Vexual apparently it exploded after conf

11:06:04 fluffypony: so I don't know enough to form an opinion yet

11:07:00 Vexual: were you making it rain altcoin?

11:07:45 mircea_popescu: nop

11:08:10 mircea_popescu: hum, did blockr.io take off altcoin ?!

11:09:39 fluffypony: nope

11:09:39 fluffypony: http://atc.blockr.io

11:09:41 mircea_popescu: a there it is. Vexual Difficulty 129,782.79 next 354,280.61

11:10:06 Vexual: thats a big jump

11:10:28 mircea_popescu: iirc it was dropping towards 50k in march

11:11:26 Vexual: that makes me feel good about unspent 3xx blox

11:11:51 mircea_popescu: !up belcher

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11:12:14 mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah it's quite unlike the typical scamcoin

11:12:31 mircea_popescu: its diff graph hasn't become monotonous yet.

11:13:39 mircea_popescu: 29571 block

11:13:47 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0

11:13:48 ozbot: Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube

11:14:58 mircea_popescu: !up Vexual

11:14:58 assbot: Voicing Vexual for 30 minutes.

11:15:12 Vexual: ty

11:16:34 mircea_popescu: Dogecoin 1.6 Download ~ MANDATORY Update

11:16:45 mircea_popescu: lol @ these idiots. mandatory eh ? no i mean MANDATORY

11:19:32 peterl: hi all

11:21:07 mircea_popescu: heya

11:23:30 punkman: I bought a 1TH mining contract to get some ATC, but seems like the guy screwed me

11:23:39 punkman: paypal chargeback!

11:24:18 mircea_popescu: ew

11:24:24 fluffypony: punkman: where'd you rent?

11:24:32 punkman: some random guy on ebay

11:24:34 mircea_popescu: wait, you paid, how'd he chargeback you

11:24:41 punkman: I will chargeback him

11:24:43 mircea_popescu: a a

11:24:48 punkman: because it's been like a month

11:25:11 fluffypony: ah ok

11:25:29 mircea_popescu: did he at least entertain you periodically with stories ?

11:26:11 punkman: nah

11:26:24 cazalla: indians are good that way, their relatives are always in hospital

11:26:32 fluffypony: moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears

11:28:19 mircea_popescu: a cookieoff!

11:28:35 mircea_popescu: fluffypony what does she do btw ? homemaking ?

11:29:04 fluffypony: lol no, she'd rather die

11:29:21 mircea_popescu: awww

11:29:22 fluffypony: she runs two of the business units in the group - salonsupplystore.co.za and sexybikinis.co.za

11:29:38 mircea_popescu: o hey.

11:30:47 mircea_popescu: http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/

11:30:49 ozbot: The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)

11:31:04 mircea_popescu: basically everything the mises circle releases paints them more like pretentious ignoramuses.

11:32:06 mircea_popescu: leaving aside for a second their complete inability TO FUCKING QUOTE.

11:32:08 fluffypony: what is the mises circle? investor group?

11:32:25 mircea_popescu: fluffypony nah, some academia derps who'd like to you know, matter.

11:32:29 fluffypony: lol

11:32:42 mircea_popescu: roughly the equivalent of the vc circuit making "bitcoin finance" cons and "bitcoin foundations" and whatnot.

11:33:42 mircea_popescu: The Mises Circle was founded in January 2012 by Michael Goldstein, George McHugh, and Jose Ni?o, to provide a forum for scholarship in the Austrian economic tradition at the University of Texas at Austin.

11:33:48 mircea_popescu: basically a student newspaper.

11:34:18 fluffypony: LOL

11:34:51 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmGF30fCIAAAmYt.jpg

11:35:38 pankkake: I fail to see what's wrong with the article

11:35:53 pankkake: though it's only obvious things

11:36:06 pankkake: obvious isn't exactly obvious for altcoiners

11:37:19 mircea_popescu: pankkake the notion that altcoins "will die", for instance.

11:37:38 mircea_popescu: it's not unlike to german heer derping about how tanks will make infantry obsolete.

11:37:46 mircea_popescu: that can't happen. a tank needs cover.

11:38:20 pankkake: they'll be increasingly less relevant, not more

11:38:50 mircea_popescu: their relevancy will wax and wane with government activity.

11:39:04 pankkake: what does that even mean?

11:39:06 mircea_popescu: the more govts derp, the more relevant they become. the less govts derp, the more they seem to fade.

11:40:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, basically that entire article is a poor rewrite of fraudsters material, by people who aren't quite smart enough or informed enough to be doing it.

11:41:37 mircea_popescu: cheifly, http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/

11:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22955 @ 0.00094427 = 21.6757 BTC [-] {2}

11:43:47 peterl: simple thermodynamics: altcoins exist, so some non-zero value must be in them.

11:44:01 pankkake:

11:44:03 fluffypony: pankkake: well what if a government outlaws Bitcoin but doesn't mention other cryptocurrencies? or they suddenly start locking people up because they can identify them, and then stuff like this Bytecoin thing with its ring signatures suddenly become appealing to people?

11:45:05 pankkake: what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks

11:45:14 fluffypony: ok so

11:45:19 pankkake: I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today

11:45:26 fluffypony: people are also stupid - I've had an argument with a friend in Cape Town who was considering accepting crypto at his store

11:45:28 fluffypony: physical store

11:45:46 fluffypony: and he goes "I'm going to accept Litecoin because it confirms faster, I don't want to keep customers waiting for Bitcoin confirmations"

11:45:56 pankkake: please…

11:46:01 fluffypony: exactly

11:46:04 fluffypony: lol

11:46:17 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks << no, i was discussing in general.

11:46:22 mircea_popescu: ltc is not a simple fork

11:47:17 mircea_popescu: if people want do discuss "simple forks of bitcoin" they're well advised to make their title read "simple forks of bitcoin"

11:49:48 fluffypony: lol - so apparently now everyone's a government plant - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.980

11:49:59 fluffypony: "Danny = British gubmint. Ukyo = US gubmint. Mark = French gubmint."

11:50:05 fluffypony: "Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint"

11:50:42 mircea_popescu: romania has a gubmint ?!

11:51:03 fluffypony: apparently

11:51:06 fluffypony: and you're their plant

11:51:11 fluffypony: to manipulatez the cryptoz

11:51:26 fluffypony: clearly I'm the South African gubmint plant

11:51:39 mircea_popescu: hey, i guess romania wins then.

11:52:22 mircea_popescu: Even beyond these political and economic incentives, there is a process of cultural dekulakization: look no further than the young poor Whites who now call each other ?nigga?.

11:52:30 mircea_popescu: i do confess this always strikes me as quite amusing.

11:53:09 mircea_popescu: i figure someone somewhere is definitely rubbing one off to the sound of white chattel going "ma nigga!"

11:53:56 fluffypony: I can see Justin Timberlake doing that

11:55:21 mircea_popescu: did pankkake ragequit !?

11:55:42 fluffypony: yes

11:56:30 mircea_popescu: but...why

12:00:13 mircea_popescu: !up equex

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12:01:21 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: "[13:45:19] <+pankkake> I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today"

12:01:23 fluffypony: that's why

12:01:46 mircea_popescu: uh

12:01:56 mircea_popescu: dude that wasn't so much of a try.

12:02:45 kakobrekla: such hate.

12:03:46 mircea_popescu: well if anyone wants to pick it up...

12:04:15 fluffypony: ya know, maybe altcoins will eventually be like those in-store reward credits you get

12:04:31 fluffypony: more of a branding thing than anything else, with the advantage that they can be re-sold more easily than store credit

12:04:59 mircea_popescu: definitely will be some like that.

12:05:56 fluffypony: what are your thoughts on altcoins, mircea_popescu?

12:06:49 thestringpuller: pls deposit 1000 fraudsters credits for answer

12:07:02 mircea_popescu: lol

12:07:05 fluffypony: thestringpuller: Credits: 49985.

12:07:09 fluffypony: I have enough to cover it

12:07:18 mircea_popescu: wasn't i defending litecoin earlier on the grounds that it's good to have ?

12:07:32 mircea_popescu: i don't like obvious scams, a la doge / aurora / keisercoin / what have you

12:07:39 mircea_popescu: otherwise altcoins are a strategic imperative.

12:07:43 fluffypony: yeah

12:15:27 peterl: now that TAT is out of MPIF, who is going to be the spread manager?

12:16:07 HeySteve: bobby lee has been proposed for "election" to bitcoin foundation board

12:16:14 HeySteve: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/916-industry-candidate-bobby-lee/

12:16:31 peterl: who's bobby lee?

12:16:36 HeySteve: god they're still going on about redlisting

12:16:51 HeySteve: head of BTC China

12:17:49 fluffypony: peterl: from BTC-China

12:19:05 mircea_popescu: peterl jurov, was announced yest

12:19:29 mircea_popescu: wasn't btc banned in china ?

12:19:35 peterl: several times

12:19:50 mircea_popescu: it's beyond me what the chinese are doing buying this crap

12:19:57 mircea_popescu: even if it is pretty cheap.

12:20:03 bounce: somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch

12:20:30 mircea_popescu: afaik bobby lee is a comedian, but anyway.

12:21:41 bounce: well, there's the government, and there's getting things done. the chinese appear to be quite used to the former getting in the way of the latter.

12:21:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18272 @ 0.00094668 = 17.2977 BTC [+]

12:23:36 HeySteve: on the plus side it's make things more international, the foundation being very US-centric is a common criticism

12:23:44 HeySteve: *it'd

12:24:31 mircea_popescu: bounce i put an order in.

12:26:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00094935 = 14.7624 BTC [+]

12:31:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0321 = 0.2568 BTC [-]

12:31:21 kakobrekla: morning lolz

12:31:22 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6405427#msg6405427

12:31:23 ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

12:32:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094668 = 9.1355 BTC [-]

12:34:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0692 = 0.346 BTC [-]

12:36:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [+]

12:41:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8255 @ 0.00094668 = 7.8148 BTC [-]

12:41:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0326 = 0.2282 BTC [+]

12:45:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00095057 = 7.2243 BTC [+] {2}

12:51:26 HeySteve: “Bitcoin protocol is like an app store and Bitcoin is an app. Right now developers like us are pioneering new financial tools and utilities that are going to be added to the 'app store' – financial services like escrow and contracts.”

12:51:50 HeySteve: wow plz gief 1st escrow service ever

12:52:10 HeySteve: dunno if anyone heard of these comtracks either?

12:52:12 HeySteve: http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/53447/newnote-financial-pioneering-crypto-currency-transactions-as-online-currencies-set-to-change-the-face-of-money-53447.html

12:52:13 ozbot: Newnote Financial: pioneering crypto-currency transactions as online currencies set to change the fa

12:56:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18388 @ 0.00095082 = 17.4837 BTC [+] {2}

12:58:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]

12:58:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]

12:59:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

13:00:20 fluffypony: kakobrekla: pffft, financials, who needs them!

13:00:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]

13:00:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04230001 = 0.2115 BTC [-] {3}

13:01:10 fluffypony: HeySteve: "6 or 7 terahashes" - so like two ASICs?

13:01:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2}

13:01:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]

13:01:37 fluffypony: why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that?

13:01:44 kakobrekla: i dunno if you have been following the thread, but so far he spent more time typing out "im sorry theres no financial will do them asap" than it would took to actually make them

13:02:06 fluffypony: kakobrekla: lol

13:02:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.042 = 0.462 BTC [-] {3}

13:02:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325995 = 0.1956 BTC [-] {2}

13:05:03 mircea_popescu: bounce ask and ye shall receive :

13:05:03 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/anti-bitcoin-foundation-banners/

13:05:04 ozbot: Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:05:46 HeySteve: nice, now we need the t-shirt

13:06:01 mircea_popescu: HeySteve no way, moar innovative first ever etc ?

13:06:48 kakobrekla: t shirt should say "the first, the biggest, the best." nubbins` go!

13:07:15 HeySteve: I think I'm just noticing too many Bitcoin people talk like Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley. CryptoAIDS, etc.

13:07:47 kakobrekla: ;;google gavin belson

13:07:48 gribble: Gavin Belson: Bio l Silicon Valley l HBO - HBO.com: http://www.hbo.com/silicon-valley/cast-and-crew/matt-ross/bio/gavin-belson.html; 'Silicon Valley' review: Definitely a start-up to watch | NJ.com: http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2014/04/silicon_valley_review_hbo_thomas_middleditch_mike_judge.html; Mike Judge's Uncanny Silicon Valley | TechCrunch: (1 more message)

13:08:39 kakobrekla: what is this even

13:09:03 HeySteve: it's a TV show about a startup in silicon valley

13:09:35 HeySteve: it's not very funny but has its moments. reddit was shouting to the moon because bitcoin was mentioned in last episode

13:10:55 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728×90.png is brokened

13:11:19 fluffypony: so is the 468x60

13:11:59 kakobrekla: that banner is hurting eyes

13:13:08 HeySteve: <+fluffypony> why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that? <-another syngeristic enterprise they're incorporating to save children from cancer is growing pot for SR 2.0 under lights in the basement. just my guess

13:13:19 fluffypony: smart

13:13:29 fluffypony: drukz+bitcoinz all in one investment "vehicle"

13:13:47 HeySteve: well mind you they're in canada

13:13:49 fluffypony: CannaBit 2.0

13:13:55 HeySteve: some places that's legal there, so who knows

13:14:08 kakobrekla: take t his http://i.imgur.com/0WZIZv8.png and change "Platinum" to "Anti" or something

13:14:10 mircea_popescu: and now, for the actual article i was writing : http://fraudsters.com/2014/gloria/

13:14:13 mircea_popescu: you gotta see this movie.

13:14:38 mircea_popescu: fluffypony looking into ty

13:14:42 kakobrekla: that i would put on #b-a.com

13:14:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

13:14:49 HeySteve: "Platiscam"

13:17:20 mircea_popescu: -468&#215;60.png

13:17:21 mircea_popescu: ffs.

13:17:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]

13:18:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony pls to check nao ?

13:18:40 fluffypony: ok

13:18:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00020918 = 0.2092 BTC [-]

13:19:14 fluffypony: she's alive!

13:19:52 mircea_popescu: which is your blog again ?

13:20:48 fluffypony: blog.spagni.net

13:21:39 mircea_popescu: i think it's still broked

13:22:18 fluffypony: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728x90.png

13:22:21 fluffypony: works

13:22:26 fluffypony: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-468x60.png

13:22:28 fluffypony: works as well

13:22:29 moiety: aftermewn :D

13:22:41 fluffypony: moiety of the cookie factory!

13:22:53 moiety: <fluffypony> moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears << win! how did they go? what kind did she make and has she ever tried shortbread? also can i just say whats wrong with homemaking? D: i don't feel like this would be bad if I were producing things around the house/garden and i could try and make things online.

13:22:57 moiety: o there you are

13:22:59 moiety: lol

13:23:14 fluffypony: moiety: she made choc chip cookies

13:23:24 fluffypony: I ate one before it cooled, so it was crumbly

13:23:25 fluffypony: but delicious

13:23:42 jurov: remind me to the banner my ex-boss has put on the building

13:23:49 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-99331 << added you to teh list

13:23:49 ozbot: People have made blogs pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:24:01 mircea_popescu: !up SatoshiJack

13:24:01 assbot: Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.

13:24:05 jurov: "This project was not funded by Europen Union"

13:24:13 moiety: <mircea_popescu> [...]The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) << aw fuck, don't make me go into magic gathering cards now, i just made this thing work.

13:24:22 mircea_popescu: jurov lol

13:24:37 mircea_popescu: moiety you made what work!

13:24:44 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: cool tks

13:25:04 moiety: fluffypony: well most baked things are better just out of the oven, i have another pic! one sec

13:25:14 mircea_popescu: if pankkake isn't too pissed off maybe he also adds you to the assimilation

13:25:39 HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I have an article coming up you can add also

13:25:39 moiety: mircea_popescu: well apart from the derpage, the doge site is ticking over (sorry for the expletive :P)

13:26:02 mircea_popescu: HeySteve link it

13:26:04 HeySteve: mentions #bitcoin-assets and has some quotes here about that f2f thing

13:26:26 moiety: Brownies!!! Warm right after bakerage! http://i.imgur.com/HHRZSSR.jpg

13:26:30 HeySteve: I will, just waiting on publishing queue

13:26:46 mircea_popescu: HeySteve the list is you know, of bitcoin/personal blogs maintained by the locals

13:26:47 SatoshiJack: We have made some good progress over the week -- we are now up with atc -- and doing manual processing for withdraws for now.

13:27:11 mircea_popescu: moiety you got any atc /

13:27:13 mircea_popescu: ?

13:27:35 moiety: no i just passed out the website link a lot when people were looking for something

13:27:46 moiety: i dont have any alts at all for personal use

13:27:51 mircea_popescu: hm.

13:28:17 moiety: for why?

13:28:40 mircea_popescu: for i have a deal for you! you go gamble on that site, if you win we split the gains.

13:29:05 mircea_popescu: SatoshiJack mind crediting her 10k atc ? i'll reimburse you when either pankkake or BingoBoingo get online.

13:29:13 moiety: oh its atc? i thought it was alts in general

13:29:13 HeySteve: mircea_popescu ok it's not my personal blog, there's other people there too

13:29:27 HeySteve: but it's always about bitcoin stuff

13:29:37 SatoshiJack: no prob... there is free play as well --- give me an atc addy and I'll loan anyone 5K to play right now :)

13:29:47 moiety: im hideously unlucky, i'm not risking losing anything for you!

13:29:50 mircea_popescu: moiety hit it baby.

13:29:51 SatoshiJack: loan = give in this place

13:30:03 fluffypony: http://spagni.net/images/bf-scam-250x250.png

13:30:31 mircea_popescu: fluffypony add it as a comment ?

13:30:44 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: will do, just making a couple of other dimensions

13:32:18 jurov: SatoshiJack: 1HgZrzrURJkGCQGeY23NzXGRRALdT9qfeX

13:32:49 moiety: who wrote this thing?

13:34:23 moiety: Dogecoin is the highest form of satire. << lolol

13:38:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [-] {2}

13:38:39 moiety: what site is this we are talking about re atc anyways

13:38:59 mircea_popescu: satoshijack.com

13:39:04 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino.

13:39:10 Apocalyptic: \o.

13:39:13 mircea_popescu: if you're still maintaining that thread or w/e

13:45:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00095107 = 15.0745 BTC [+]

13:45:57 HeySteve: do you guys think it's useful to have a special wallet that automatically divides payments up into apportioned shares to a bunch of wallets it sends on to?

13:46:44 mircea_popescu: useful for what ?

13:47:04 HeySteve: I don't know, maybe donations or payments depending how the co. is set up

13:49:48 mircea_popescu: well if you don't know what for, it can't possibly be useful

13:50:33 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the us, Engineer = 1900 Can build a bridge ; 1960 Can assemble computer from parts ; 1995 Knows how to compile kernel ; 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery

13:50:35 moiety: urgh QTs do not like me... ever

13:51:07 mircea_popescu: davout https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmFHv-LCMAAnyw2.png

13:51:42 HeySteve: ok let's say people have a pre-existing arrangement to divide all BTC income. instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it, it goes to this service (which hopefully we don't need to trust)

13:51:56 fluffypony: you missed a 2000 Learns to make animated GIFs for his Geocities homepage

13:51:59 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmJQEVMCIAAKe8h.png << apparently people break up in spring.

13:52:04 mircea_popescu: hence "spring break"

13:52:15 fluffypony: lol - will.je.suis

13:52:57 Azelphur: !up CheckDavid

13:52:57 assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

13:53:23 fluffypony: HeySteve: multi-sig is the solution to that problem

13:53:42 Apocalyptic: how is it the solution ?

13:53:56 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: if it's being distributed among 5 people then make it a 5 of 5 wallet

13:54:01 fluffypony: or 4 of 5 if you're worried someone might die

13:54:30 Apocalyptic: i think this is not the model he wants to achieve

13:54:51 mircea_popescu: i can;t imagine a situation where the splitting of the coin is the point of failure.

13:54:58 Apocalyptic: without additionnal details we can only speculate, but it seems to me he wants to divide it so that each party can use their coins

13:55:13 Apocalyptic: irrespective of what the other do (or rather do not) sign

13:55:35 jurov: HeySteve: mining pools do it since forever, no?

13:56:18 Apocalyptic: " instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it,"

13:56:29 Apocalyptic: except p2pool, the pool operator is trusted jurov afaik

13:56:39 HeySteve: jurov do you know how they do it? I'm guessing it's a bit of clever code but not necessarily something the regular user could use

13:56:58 HeySteve: I will know more when the guy publishes it

13:57:11 jurov: it depends what is the income from

13:57:15 HeySteve: don't have much more detail at this point

13:58:19 HeySteve: if the service is trustworthy, it could lower busywork for the treasurer of projects for eg.

14:00:28 CheckDavid: How does one become trusted by assbot ?

14:00:36 CheckDavid: Like. Directly?

14:01:12 CheckDavid: Is it controlled by the creator?

14:01:45 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid there's no clear process as of yet. why ?

14:01:57 CheckDavid: Pure curiosity

14:01:58 fluffypony: CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

14:02:15 fluffypony: you can !up yourself if you're in assbot's L2 trust

14:02:29 CheckDavid: I know

14:02:33 moiety: lol "spring clean" breakups. probably bitter chicks that got nothing on valentines day.

14:02:49 jurov: he asks how to get into direct trust with assbot

14:02:55 fluffypony: CheckDavid: ah ok sorry, thought that's what you were alluding to

14:03:05 CheckDavid: :)

14:03:08 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid prolly there's going to be a panel o nthe next conference where we sit down and see if anyone needs to be added/removed.

14:03:20 CheckDavid: I see.

14:04:11 mircea_popescu: moiety nothing like no nookie or like no cookie ?

14:05:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [-]

14:05:57 moiety: lol probably for some. the christmas one is true, my ex would disappear for weeks over christmas and birthdays so he didnt have to get me anything

14:06:15 kakobrekla: basically it works on bribes atm.

14:06:24 mircea_popescu: moiety wow.

14:06:39 mircea_popescu: omg kakobrekla selling dignities

14:06:56 kakobrekla: church said is ok.

14:07:10 mircea_popescu: you know that means we eat you right ?

14:07:30 kakobrekla: you know im not going to the next conf right ?

14:07:49 mircea_popescu: aw come on!

14:07:51 mircea_popescu: eleventy

14:08:42 asciilifeform: kakobrekla needs amphibious car

14:09:05 mircea_popescu: lol

14:09:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what if you die before you see the sexy midgets of patagonia ?

14:09:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1900 Can build a bridge... 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery << lolll!

14:10:11 CheckDavid: So if someone has l2 trust relative to assbot

14:10:19 CheckDavid: And adds someone to their trust list

14:10:26 CheckDavid: That someone is l3 ?

14:10:40 mircea_popescu: so i think i've reached a new low. i'm starving but too lazy to either make anything or order someone to make something or order a car to go to eat out or any other alternative.

14:10:43 mircea_popescu: i guess i lose weight.

14:10:49 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid yes

14:10:54 peterl: CheckDavid: yes, but only up to l2 can voice themself

14:11:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu G?delian diet

14:11:23 jurov: inb4 mircea_popescu orders soylent

14:11:28 fluffypony: I like NotLambChop

14:11:33 CheckDavid: So only those who have l1 can afford l2 trust to someone

14:11:41 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid yes

14:11:43 CheckDavid: :o

14:11:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is it ? srsly ? jurov nah, i could have boobmilk but meh. too sweet.

14:12:02 peterl: mircea_popescu: it is times like these you should have raw-edible foods on hand

14:12:42 mircea_popescu: i do

14:12:46 mircea_popescu: too lazy to fucking chew

14:12:54 moiety: mircea_popescu: do we have to get you a usb toaster?

14:13:11 mircea_popescu: i have almonds walnuts hazels bananas oranges apples and etfc.

14:13:13 jurov: moiety how'd that help with chewing?

14:13:22 moiety: i just read that bit

14:13:29 moiety: usb blender?

14:13:35 mircea_popescu: i also have various cakes, and milk

14:13:50 mircea_popescu: i can't be bothered to drink milk. i think maybe the issue is, i've been overfeeding myself

14:14:23 peterl: you need some IV nutrients?

14:14:35 mircea_popescu: i'll just ride it out, see what happens.

14:14:39 moiety: i get like that when ive been grazing too much. don't get up the want for an actual meal

14:14:51 mircea_popescu: wait, you're an actual cow ?!

14:15:02 moiety: moooo :D

14:15:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: over here we have these special foods for people too lazy to eat (or, nominally, athletes) - little bars made of a substance resembling cat food

14:15:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a stack of hand made pralines, those count ?

14:15:31 asciilifeform: nah pralines are tasty

14:16:52 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/36033ac327aad7f5394f98f388a08d0c/tumblr_n301tyDIx51spqhnio1_500.jpg

14:18:02 asciilifeform: lol

14:18:04 fluffypony: over hear when I'm too lazy to eat I pour myself a beer

14:18:07 fluffypony: it's like a loaf of bread

14:18:09 fluffypony: but without chewing

14:18:27 moiety: dude my eyes D;

14:18:30 peterl: only if it is good beer

14:18:51 mircea_popescu: moiety what, she's got great teats.

14:19:06 moiety: guiness is like a meal. i can't handle it

14:19:15 moiety: she has udders mircea_popescu

14:19:24 fluffypony: moiety: that's what makes it so perfect :)

14:19:30 kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla needs amphibious car <- is this some weird rehash of golf cart joke ?

14:19:44 moiety: fluffypony: half a pint and i feel like i have drunk bricks

14:19:51 mircea_popescu: Age: 23, Height: 5ft 5in (165 cm), Weight: 317 lbs.

14:19:54 mircea_popescu: this must be a misprint

14:20:10 moiety: you get a funny moustache though :{D

14:20:22 fluffypony: moiety: as long as you don't shit bricks it's fine

14:20:55 kakobrekla: ;;google midgets of patagonia

14:20:56 gribble: Patagonia Rock Climbing Ambassador Kate Rutherford: http://www.patagonia.com/us/ambassadors/rock-climbing/kate-rutherford/73355; Translation of midget in German - Vocabulix: http://www.vocabulix.com/translation/german/midget.html; Patagonia Snow: Built for the Deepest Days - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5iHSOmAzIM

14:21:15 moiety: no but makes me look a bit pregnant which doesn't go down so well in a drinking situation fluffypony XD

14:21:20 fluffypony: lol

14:21:32 asciilifeform: moiety should go to next meetup, pet colocolos

14:22:04 kakobrekla: those dont seem to famous mircea_popescu .

14:22:15 asciilifeform: then convince mp to go kazahstan next year - pet manul

14:22:18 kakobrekla: too*

14:22:32 moiety: totally tastes heavy too .. just urgh. craft ipa's ftw!

14:22:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the... moderately famous midgets of patagonia ?

14:22:48 moiety: re conf : i was so jealous of your pics! looked fun D;

14:23:06 kakobrekla: asciilifeform id take the nuke sub ride if you come around making one.

14:23:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, you ever did a black woman ? how about a creole woman ? how about etc.

14:23:31 mircea_popescu: gotta live to shit on each continent, i say.

14:23:53 mircea_popescu: i did europe, africa and asia so far... north and i guess central america.

14:23:59 *: moiety version - live to pet a native cat on each continent*

14:24:36 kakobrekla: i dunno, the next continent i would hope would be on another planet

14:24:45 kakobrekla: i visit*

14:24:50 moiety: kakobrekla: have you applied to mars one?

14:24:51 kakobrekla: put it together.

14:24:57 asciilifeform: hard to pet native cat in... australia

14:25:15 kakobrekla: moiety lets have the waters tested first.

14:25:16 mircea_popescu: ;;google australia native kitten

14:25:17 gribble: Feral cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_cat; The Great Australian Cat Dilemma - Messybeast: http://messybeast.com/ausdilemma.htm; Cats and Wildlife - Good Cat SA: http://goodcatsa.com/pages/cats-and-wildlife

14:25:21 moiety: i'd take a domestic that's lived all its life there asciilifeform

14:25:35 jurov: antarctica?

14:25:49 moiety: now wait .. i think there is something there jurov

14:25:54 jurov: but i guess moiety'll gladly accept a penguin instead

14:26:13 moiety: i may be thinking of a fox but hang on

14:26:21 moiety: and yes, entirely true jurov

14:26:42 asciilifeform: ;;google true penguin

14:26:42 gribble: Nine Insane (But True) Penguin Facts | Animal-Free Entertainment ...: http://www.peta.org/living/entertainment/penguin-facts/; Pierre the Penguin: A True Story: Jean Marzollo, Laura Regan ...: http://www.amazon.com/Pierre-Penguin-A-True-Story/dp/1585364851; Explorer returns to emperor penguin colony in search of a true count: (1 more message)

14:26:48 asciilifeform: ;;google true penguin extinct

14:26:49 gribble: True Penguins Are All Extinct - KnowledgeNuts: http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/03/09/true-penguins-are-all-extinct/; Pikas, Polar Bears, Penguins Go Extinct | Real Science: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/pikas-polar-bears-penguins-go-extinct/; Are penguins extinct - Wiki Answers: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_penguins_extinct

14:27:25 kakobrekla: yeah well 99% or so of all species ever existed are gone

14:28:53 moiety: yeahhh imma have to make do with a small fox in antarctica the cats that have been there were only visiting http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/antarctic.html

14:29:00 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: sub << http://www.grawsome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sleeping-Walrus-2.jpg

14:30:04 kakobrekla: is he gonna bill him for wrong parking or what

14:30:58 asciilifeform: http://usvsth3m.com/post/56329159173/sleepy-walrus-on-a-russian-submarine

14:30:59 ozbot: Sleepy walrus on a Russian submarine - Us Vs Th3m

14:31:06 asciilifeform: 'comrade walrus is ready for Captain?s table'

14:31:52 asciilifeform: sub's gonna need wheels, so we can pick up mp

14:32:04 mircea_popescu: fuck you, i'm a dragon.

14:32:05 mircea_popescu: i fly.

14:32:16 asciilifeform: lol, then we've got our ride.

14:32:24 kakobrekla: i thought the lions always wins

14:32:45 mircea_popescu: a manticore is kinda like a lion-dragon

14:39:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18496 @ 0.00094668 = 17.5098 BTC [-]

14:40:08 asciilifeform: what's an old uboat cost, anyway.

14:40:59 mircea_popescu: ;;google alibaba old uboat

14:41:00 gribble: Poznań - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84; Popular U Boat Xxi | Aliexpress: http://www.aliexpress.com/popular/u-boat-xxi.html; Used Kayak, Used Kayak Products, Used Kayak ... - Alibaba.com: http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/used-kayak.html

14:41:07 asciilifeform: fund with miners (seawater cooling)

14:41:35 mircea_popescu: diesel elec is expensive.

14:43:13 *: asciilifeform wonders if there ever lived a boy who didn't want uboat

14:43:24 fluffypony: that's not bad, $28 - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Alice-papermodel-WWII-German-U-Boat-model-U-BOOT-XXI-submarine-model-ship-model-military/343765571.html

14:43:24 asciilifeform: well, post-1920

14:43:25 fluffypony: :-P

14:44:02 *: jurov wonders abut range on batteries

14:44:26 fluffypony: I remember making a TNG Enterprise paper model

14:44:32 fluffypony: was so messy

14:45:11 asciilifeform: incidentally, interesting historical figure, largely unknown in english world - captain marinesko.

14:45:21 peterl: use nuclear powered sumarine to power miners?

14:45:34 asciilifeform: peterl: i suggested this once. free electric, cooling.

14:46:37 jurov: http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2008/April/Pages/AntiSub2301.aspx they quote $200-300mil

14:47:06 asciilifeform: jurov: about same cost as a three-story office in palo alto.

14:47:28 jurov: or on cyprus lol...maybe danny bought one

14:47:48 moiety: <mircea_popescu> fuck you, i'm a dragon. << lol please bash this

14:48:15 kakobrekla: moiety , time to learn how to bash

14:48:25 moiety: i did before! i wasnt accepted D;

14:48:37 kakobrekla: blame it on the mods

14:49:02 Apocalyptic: he means blame it on kako

14:49:46 jurov: there are other mods

14:49:49 *: jurov hides

14:49:53 kakobrekla: kakobrekla ircing lcc is no loger liable for any past or present action or involved in the moderation of this project in any way. it is fully in withing the rigts of kakobrekla ircing lcc to blame it on the mods.

14:50:13 mircea_popescu: haha

14:50:21 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1798684/plain/)

14:50:21 mircea_popescu: !b 2

14:50:32 Apocalyptic: <jurov> there are other mods // I know

14:50:57 moiety: ok im pending

14:51:56 moiety: damn, the way you did it is a bit easier

14:52:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is he that romanian dude that sunk a german ship ?

14:53:58 bounce: ukrainian with a romanian sailor for a dad

14:54:14 HeySteve: lol is this where the Crimea bet comes from? http://games.usvsth3m.com/the-hobbit/title/2:%20Electric%20Boogaloo

14:54:25 fluffypony: http://imgur.com/a/KDwtE

14:54:25 ozbot: How China Sinks Bitcoin - South Park Style - Imgur

14:54:54 mircea_popescu: bounce romanian with an ukrainian mother ?

14:55:32 bounce: ``His father had fled to Russia after beating an officer'' -- such karma

14:56:28 bounce: born there, so, depends on the various laws involved

14:57:43 mircea_popescu: odessa is this russian town the romanians kept invading.

14:57:58 fluffypony: and also a place in Texas

14:58:12 bounce: filthy texan name stealers

14:58:23 fluffypony: I only know that from watching Heroes

14:58:30 mircea_popescu: (the russians got it from the ottomans, and before that i dont recall, prolly tatars)

14:58:59 mircea_popescu: before that greek, of course.

15:03:42 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino. /// i sullied my boots and updated the forum

15:03:44 bounce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Marinesko -- lots of drama

15:03:45 ozbot: Alexander Marinesko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

15:03:58 ThickAsThieves: however http://therealaltcoin.org/ seems to be down for some ungodly reason

15:04:22 HeySteve: http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/we-will-nationalise-oceans-eff-1.1590460#.U1vIdXV50Y4

15:04:25 ozbot: We will nationalise oceans - EFF - Politics | IOL News | IOL.co.za

15:04:31 ThickAsThieves: the whole website is an html file, so this should be interesting...

15:05:15 mircea_popescu: the electronic frontier foundation ?!

15:05:21 jurov: ThickAsThieves: how much did you pay for hosting?

15:05:41 bounce: "economic freedom fighters", proposing to "mine" the oceans and free them from fish!

15:06:12 HeySteve: our intellectual aristocracy in full roar

15:06:16 ThickAsThieves: jurov i dunno, i think it's a namecheap package

15:06:20 mircea_popescu: ?If we nationalise it, then the people on the ground will benefit, not capitalists. These big companies come to Cape Town and they fish as much as they want and then when a normal or poor person goes to do the same, they are given a quota.

15:06:22 mircea_popescu: how true is that ?

15:06:47 bounce: so true, totally. because, capitalists are like, companies and shit.

15:07:08 mircea_popescu: ?They take a few thousand people, then they eat on our behalf, then they are telling us we are OK.?

15:07:21 mircea_popescu: bounce well if it's true then the quotas have to go.

15:07:34 bounce: I'm reminded of that "computers are racist" thing

15:09:37 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: all of their claims are gross exaggerations or outrightly false, but that's politics for you

15:09:54 bounce: those quota are there so the next generation will still be able to fish. if they don't work, make'em work, not speed up the fish' extinction a bit.

15:10:01 fluffypony: thankfully they don't have a phenomenally big following, mostly disgruntled ex-ANC Youth League guys

15:10:25 bounce: so I'd say that the problem looks like corruption and that's got to go. but if you can't even name the problem accurately, then you're spouting nonsense.

15:10:30 mircea_popescu: bounce just take the quotas away, permit fishing only for people.

15:10:45 mircea_popescu: solves the problem, cause you can't fucking extinguish fisheries with a line

15:10:51 mircea_popescu: but you can feed yourself.

15:11:43 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, disallowing corporations from owning certain classes of goods is the way to go. currently persons may not own guns, various substances, etc.

15:12:02 mircea_popescu: this is silly. it should work the other way around : no corporation may own real estate or any foodstuffs

15:12:23 mircea_popescu: suddenly you don't need zoning laws anymore.

15:12:24 moiety: ThickAsThieves: do i have to make my own config file for atc? im not an alt person at all

15:12:28 bounce: it'd be a neat idea if it worked. but now we have a million fishermen fishing for delivery to bigger companies. oversight goes down, quality of fish goes down, loss goes up, total fishing goes up

15:12:41 ThickAsThieves: ok site works now

15:12:44 ThickAsThieves: dunno what was up

15:12:48 ThickAsThieves: i just logged in

15:12:49 ThickAsThieves: :/

15:12:51 mircea_popescu: bounce there's no corp that may take delivery of fish.

15:13:22 ThickAsThieves: moiety you'll probably wanna use a pool

15:13:27 ThickAsThieves: there are two i know of

15:13:39 moiety: i just want to qt to sync

15:13:48 bounce: "corporation" also includes the lone fisherman incorporating his boat for tax and financing reasons. you'd also have to amend tax codes and whatnot.

15:13:49 ThickAsThieves: oh you need a node then

15:14:02 ThickAsThieves: we have a channel #altcoin

15:14:09 mircea_popescu: bounce sure. no tax on either these classes.

15:14:17 ThickAsThieves: and pankakke is better at support than me, i'll look at my config though

15:14:24 ThickAsThieves: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118

15:14:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00094636 = 16.8925 BTC [-] {2}

15:14:47 moiety: ty!

15:14:57 ThickAsThieves: ty!

15:16:44 bounce: interesting though experiment, but it has rather far-reaching implications. no corp can take delivery of fish? that's no fish exports, no fish in the supermarkets, no fish in restaurants, and so on.

15:17:04 mircea_popescu: bounce unless it's a person run restaurant.

15:17:25 bounce: so now the cook and the maitre'd are no longer working for the same boss

15:17:28 mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i understand, the problem there specifically is that people are stupid, and western style corps are pwning them

15:17:39 mircea_popescu: restricting access to essentials would allow a softer transition.

15:17:55 mircea_popescu: ie, they don't have or want or could support a proper restaurant

15:18:00 bounce: but this is cape town, where western style business has been around for how long?

15:18:01 mircea_popescu: they just try to get enough food on the table.

15:18:22 mircea_popescu: you mean around among whites ?

15:18:39 mircea_popescu: afaik (and i have no clue, so don't be shy in disabusing me of false notions) it never happened among black people.

15:19:40 bounce: this is something for fluffypony to eludiate, I think. whites have been out and about there for a while, true enough.

15:19:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, the general point im proceeding from is that their problem is corporatism, and how it outcompetes their own dumb heads. the solution of pushing things further up the chain, through nationalisation (giving it to the state, the largest corp of them all) is exactly wrong

15:19:47 mircea_popescu: should go the other way

15:19:52 *: fluffypony reads up

15:20:32 bounce: that I'll agree with. but that's politics, and we already more or less established that the politics of there are a bit fscked up

15:20:39 fluffypony: tbh there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape Town

15:20:47 fluffypony: they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little tug boats

15:21:08 mircea_popescu: fluffypony but how much of the caught fish is caught by their little tug boats, as a % ?

15:21:12 mircea_popescu: more than say about 15% ?

15:21:57 fluffypony: and you can go to the harbour in the morning where their wives sell the fish the husbands caught

15:22:18 decimation: re: corps owning guns :: in the US there is a well-known loophole around the background check laws - if the "owners" are both officers of a "corporation", no transfer papers are needed, and the corp owns the gun

15:22:29 fluffypony: there are a number of fishing communities like that

15:22:51 decimation: Therefore in the US corporations are priviledged to share guns as they see fit, people are not

15:22:57 bounce: so assign the gun to an llc and pass that around instead?

15:23:02 mircea_popescu: decimation exactly my point.

15:23:17 mircea_popescu: bounce most rich people with a large gun stash and tax attorney have a gun llc

15:23:25 fluffypony: sorry internet died

15:23:26 fluffypony: well they fish a lot less than the corporates, for sure, but in the many times I went to the harbour to buy fish I never had any of them complain to me about restrictions or limits

15:23:28 decimation: or a trust

15:23:32 ThickAsThieves: SatoshiJack.com Casino link added to therealaltcoin.org, thread updated as well!

15:23:50 mircea_popescu: decimation yeah that gets into various local details. same principle tho.

15:24:00 bounce: "rent a gun", where you rent (officership in) "gun #n llc" and get the gun as a perquisite

15:24:10 mircea_popescu: that doesn't work afaik

15:24:36 decimation: in fact, perfectly reasonable things like suppressors and silencers MUST be shared this way, because non-licensed people cannot trade them at all

15:25:12 decimation: so, you and your son want to plink with .22 but don't want to blow out ears: must form gun corp

15:25:18 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so whyd they be complaining to you, or what'd that do.

15:25:32 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you become friends with them

15:25:50 fluffypony: you deal with the same people, haggle over price, talk about the best way to cook the fish

15:25:57 fluffypony: they seem reasonably content

15:26:06 mircea_popescu: i get the concept

15:26:16 bounce: might ask them what they think about this "eff" bunch and their position

15:26:19 fluffypony: the root of the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back to the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6

15:26:21 mircea_popescu: but still " I never had any of them complain" is a weak counter

15:26:44 fluffypony: like you get taught reading, writing, a bit of geography and history, and enough maths to add stuff up

15:26:45 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well that's what i said. they get outcompeted. cause stupid.

15:26:48 bounce: it still smells like cheap populism to me, but there could be a bigger point buried under the poor rhetoric

15:26:58 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it goes further though

15:27:12 fluffypony: because the government's "solution" post-1994 to the white management class

15:27:24 fluffypony: was to enforce BEE rules

15:27:31 mircea_popescu: no idea what bee is

15:27:38 fluffypony: Black Economic Empowerment

15:27:40 fluffypony: affirmative action

15:27:49 mircea_popescu: you mean that nut that took over rhodesia ?

15:27:50 fluffypony: so companies hired and promoted black management who were NOT equipped to managed, who were NOT educated

15:28:08 bounce: how's the schooling situation now then?

15:28:20 fluffypony: for instance, in the late 90s the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and tiling business

15:28:21 mircea_popescu: yeah yeah. nobody seriously considers the shit they did "post colonialism" makes any sense.

15:28:30 fluffypony: government threatened to drop his contracts because he wasn't BEE compliant

15:28:42 fluffypony: he took his gardener on as a business partner

15:28:50 fluffypony: and gave him 51% of the company to sign some documents

15:29:02 fluffypony: gardener gets a nice salary

15:29:15 fluffypony: but fast forward a few years and the gardener realises he has a controlling interest

15:29:21 fluffypony: and wants to "manage" and get more money

15:29:35 fluffypony: which leads to the company imploding, obviously

15:29:38 decimation: what's the difference between these bee rules and the local mafia demanding payment to not ruin your business?

15:29:53 mircea_popescu: this is so ridiculous. the same principle displayed at work in disgrace, the malkovich film

15:30:05 fluffypony: decimation: nothing - which is why they've been heavily criticised over the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid"

15:30:08 fluffypony: which is what it's done

15:30:21 mircea_popescu: decimation that the mafia works in a white majority, trying to make ends meet for a legitimately opressed minority

15:30:22 fluffypony: black fat cats sitting at the top of the food chain through no effort or hard work or brilliance

15:30:37 decimation: well, because all the white liberals worldwide thought that if you just gave blacks the whip hand everything would work out

15:30:38 mircea_popescu: whereas the bee stuff works in a black majority, trying to redistribute the revenue of the whites more towards the majority

15:30:45 decimation: instead of creating apocolypse now

15:31:12 fluffypony: and the thing is, BEE doesn't empower the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone to university and are willing and able to work hard

15:31:19 fluffypony: it just creates a sense of entitlement among the lazy

15:31:31 decimation: yeah the blacks willing to make something themselves are probably the most screwed

15:31:35 mircea_popescu: basically it tries for a saudi arabia

15:31:36 decimation: just like in the US

15:31:41 mircea_popescu: except instead of oil... it's suckers.

15:32:03 fluffypony: also, because of BEE there were a TON of educated white guys from the late 90s till like 2010 who left South Africa because they couldn't get a job

15:32:05 mircea_popescu: the model is unsurprisingly pushed by the us, seeing how sa was their only ally for a long time.

15:32:21 fluffypony: I'm talking like doctors and programmers and lawyers and chartered accountants and stuff

15:32:25 decimation: absolutely. SA is now living the American dream

15:32:25 fluffypony: so then you have a brain-drain situation

15:32:42 fluffypony: where they go "oh shit we have too few doctors"

15:32:47 decimation: just like Rhodesia, Congo, etc

15:33:00 decimation: Liberia was the old American dream

15:33:16 fluffypony: and they solve that by handing out education grants and pushing the wrong candidates through a medical degree

15:33:19 mircea_popescu: fluffypony as you describe it, the only business i'd consider running in south africa would be something like kidnapping young women to be transported for sex work or somesuch.

15:33:25 mircea_popescu: basically... they've got africa back to 1700.

15:33:25 fluffypony: so government healthcare just gets progressively worse

15:33:33 fluffypony: lol

15:33:42 decimation: they would probably go willingly if you paid their visa and airfare to somewhere civilized

15:33:53 mircea_popescu: decimation no, because they're too stupid to figure it out.

15:34:01 mircea_popescu: gotta buy them from the tribe chieftain.

15:34:04 decimation: true; those with that gumption are already gone

15:34:05 mircea_popescu: easier, faster, less gab.

15:34:42 fluffypony: it's gotten better - the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received the same education as whites since the mid 1990s when Model C schools became the norm

15:34:44 mircea_popescu: the only reason this isn't happening right now is that, of course, a nude teenager is not worth money, generally speaking.

15:34:52 fluffypony: (mixed black/white/coloured etc.)

15:35:09 fluffypony: so I think the over-correction is normalising

15:35:15 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well so maybe in another... 20-30 years ? things even out

15:35:21 fluffypony: and we're actually starting to see expats slowly move back into the country

15:35:29 fluffypony: yeah pretty much, 20-30 years and things will even out a lot

15:35:36 fluffypony: assuming they don't fuck it all up in the interim

15:36:33 mircea_popescu: you ever seen disgrace, btw ? the movie.

15:36:56 fluffypony: yes - the book is also excellent

15:38:33 mircea_popescu: how accurate would you say the backdrop is ?

15:40:32 fluffypony: pretty accurate - the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on)

15:40:36 bounce: heh. you should like a saudi arabia of suckers. high quality chumpatron at state level.

15:41:08 decimation: re: black fat cats in SA: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/10510455/Nelson-Mandela-memorial-interpreter-was-a-fake.html

15:41:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00094751 = 21.319 BTC [+] {2}

15:41:12 bounce: farmers typically kept dogs (or geese) for alarm bells

15:41:19 decimation: my favorite SA movie: Zulu

15:42:00 fluffypony: bounce: yep, but when you've got 20 guys who are poverty-stricken, desperate, and armed...well...

15:42:08 fluffypony: by the time the police arrive it's all over

15:44:51 bounce: hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge. how hard is it to actually start a farm (first small, then decent-sized) legally?

15:45:41 fluffypony: bounce: the government has been pushing HARD in that space

15:45:50 fluffypony: what they're doing is buying arable land from farmers

15:45:57 fluffypony: at more than it's worth (so the farmers don't get screwed)

15:46:05 fluffypony: then they portion it up

15:46:24 fluffypony: and give it to small farmers that have already demonstrated they can farm sustainably, at least for themselves

15:46:35 fluffypony: and they give them a ton of education on farm management etc.

15:46:57 fluffypony: plus a lot of the supermarket chains are getting into that whole "support the small farmer" thing and buying from those guys

15:48:01 fluffypony: the problem is that a lot of the poor in urban areas just beg at robots

15:48:10 fluffypony: sorry traffic lights, we call them robots

15:48:44 fluffypony: or they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done

15:48:54 mircea_popescu: <bounce> hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge <<< it's not the knowledge. it's the attitude.

15:49:04 mircea_popescu: look at all the fuckwits starting "bitcoin businesses", a la danny

15:49:20 fluffypony: and because they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything that takes actual effort?

15:49:24 mircea_popescu: they think they know shit, is the problem, and they don't see why they should put inb the hard work of reading the logs for a year.

15:49:29 mircea_popescu: exactly.

15:50:24 decimation: well, and their government doesn't exactly work hard to dibuse them of the notion that they need to depend on them for handouts

15:50:26 mircea_popescu: and if you do what romania did with the displaced farm youth / urban poor youth

15:50:32 mircea_popescu: ie, send them to work camps

15:50:38 mircea_popescu: it'll look a little nazi in sa.

15:51:07 fluffypony: decimation: yes - politicians *PROMISED* them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when they don't get it they complain that the politicians are going back on their promise

15:51:21 kakobrekla: logs arent the magic cure

15:51:32 mircea_popescu: i bet you they are.

15:51:33 fluffypony: and to be fair, I understand why they promised those things - they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and the politicians wanted to correct that

15:51:49 mircea_popescu: i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid.

15:51:52 kakobrekla: xapo.

15:51:54 kakobrekla: now pay up

15:51:59 fluffypony: lawl xapo

15:52:03 mircea_popescu: in fact, no WC in the world would be as close.

15:52:07 mircea_popescu: ooops i mean vc.

15:52:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how does xapo disprove anything ?

15:52:57 kakobrekla: im pretty sure i dont have to explain it.

15:53:23 mircea_popescu: is your thesis that wences has been reading the logs or what ?

15:53:58 kakobrekla: more or less

15:54:12 kakobrekla: befre he left ofc

15:54:22 mircea_popescu: ;;seen wences

15:54:23 gribble: wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?

15:54:36 mircea_popescu: 1 year ago this chan was not 1 year old.

15:54:57 mircea_popescu: he was here for a little bit, but it was weeks really iirc.

15:55:09 kakobrekla: so you are saying like one should read the new testament and not the old :D

15:55:17 bounce: "gaining IQ by reading", huh. magic!

15:55:23 mircea_popescu: all this aside : the guy made lemon and sold it out. then is making xapo

15:55:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

15:55:31 mircea_popescu: this does not compare to your average bitcoin stupid in any sense.

15:55:47 mircea_popescu: bounce it's a fact. there's 30 to 35 iq points buried in there.

15:56:00 kakobrekla: myea arite

15:56:07 bounce: anyway, the "hypothetically speaking" was there to say I wanted to know whether there were any real obstacles for those willing -- that many aren't willing we already know.

15:56:10 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/04EQtM6.gif

15:56:29 bounce: (don't be too smart reading this magic text, you might go off the scale!)

15:56:34 *: fluffypony ponders

15:56:46 mircea_popescu: bounce it just tapers out

15:57:02 bounce: that thing with the land giveaway, worked well enough for those in the program then?

15:57:32 fluffypony: bounce: yes, there have been some instances of burn-out where the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot to do anything else

15:57:43 mircea_popescu: epic

15:57:58 fluffypony: but generally speaking it's working ok

15:58:13 fluffypony: but those guys that want to work hard are the minority

15:58:39 mircea_popescu: your words shock me.

15:59:16 fluffypony: I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone to want to work hard in the Land of Handouts

15:59:57 mircea_popescu: in my experience it's usually the women that want to work hard

16:00:02 mircea_popescu: with the men wanting to talk loudly.

16:00:06 fluffypony: very true

16:00:17 bounce: to the point that it's /not done/ among certain kinds of "socialists" to mention handouts-a-go-go doesn't always work (the /ruling/ kind of socialists, often enough *sigh*)

16:00:21 fluffypony: lots of families where the wife is a maid, and the husband does nothing

16:00:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.60965290 BTC to 7`243 shares, 36030 satoshi per share

16:03:26 mircea_popescu: this is historically and geographically stable, too. i have writings from 1880s romania describing the exact same problem

16:04:27 ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch /// check out my new footer logo! http://devilsadvocate.biz/

16:05:56 fluffypony: lol

16:08:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]

16:10:24 bounce: :)

16:10:50 fluffypony: benkay: werd

16:11:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

16:12:32 decimation: re: democracy encouraging laziness: http://www.american.com/archive/2012/august/americas-crisis-of-political-legitimacy "

16:12:38 decimation: In response to the question of whether the current government has the consent of the governed, only 22 percent of likely voters say ?yes.? The partisan divide is marked; Democrats split evenly, but only 8 percent of Republicans say yes. These are scary numbers, particularly when one considers that many of the ?no consent? Democrats are probably on the left, denying the legitimacy of a government that does not do more for them.

16:13:34 benkay: what's that, fluffypony ?

16:14:02 fluffypony: benkay: it's like word but with an e

16:14:03 fluffypony: :-P

16:15:29 benkay: i'm entirely competent with the slang, fluffypony, it's the meaning and significance that's escaping me.

16:15:41 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu of course i meant comprised thank you

16:15:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:16:27 fluffypony: benkay: seemed more fun than saying hi :)

16:16:30 benkay: that man reads far too closely

16:17:40 ThickAsThieves: i saw it too, but i was on my tablet hald asleep so didnt warn you ;)

16:17:51 ThickAsThieves: half*

16:19:40 jurov: you sleep on your tablet?

16:20:04 kakobrekla: its actually a book

16:20:29 jurov: yes i saw..not very good pillow either

16:20:59 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> that then makes two for you eh ? << i've only outright killed the one.

16:21:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:21:10 kakobrekla: meh, nothing to read on the forum

16:21:26 ThickAsThieves: i broke the book cover btw

16:21:51 ThickAsThieves: dropped it off a chair and now a piece chipped off

16:21:58 kakobrekla: im out of excuses not to do work nao

16:22:56 kakobrekla: yes ascii i already read your blog on monday. the whole.

16:26:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

16:27:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves leave a sauce ion the fraudsters article too ?

16:28:43 ThickAsThieves: ah what now?

16:28:55 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/anti-bitcoin-foundation-banners/#comment-99332

16:28:56 ozbot: Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:29:05 ThickAsThieves: ah

16:29:10 mircea_popescu: put a link to your banner in comment section

16:29:17 mircea_popescu: open source hatebanner resoruce.

16:29:44 ThickAsThieves: done

16:30:35 mircea_popescu: why ty.

16:30:41 ThickAsThieves: no ty

16:31:04 ThickAsThieves: yknow reading your slave article made me realize i was a bit depressed over the matter

16:31:12 ThickAsThieves: not your fault

16:31:16 ThickAsThieves: just sayin

16:31:51 mircea_popescu: i make it my job to bother people exactly in this manner.

16:32:10 mircea_popescu: if you can live with it you can, if not you'll do something about it, but in no case can it be that you just... never knew.

16:32:44 thestringpuller: oh nice anti-bitcoin foundation

16:32:57 ThickAsThieves: it's a big problem

16:33:10 ThickAsThieves: not just something that can be resolved in a moment

16:33:34 mircea_popescu: clearly.

16:33:53 mircea_popescu: and for most people... Too Big To Solve.

16:34:16 ThickAsThieves: well that's just it, it's like deciding to get a sex change or some shit

16:34:34 mircea_popescu: an apt analogy huh.

16:34:37 mircea_popescu: yeah, it is.

16:34:59 ThickAsThieves: yep exactly like it on so many levels

16:35:39 thestringpuller: except moving from your home doesn't you know isn't irreversible

16:35:48 thestringpuller: -doesn't*

16:35:51 ThickAsThieves: well you can split hairs

16:36:10 ThickAsThieves: but it really is upheaval, expense, it affects everyone you care about

16:36:11 ThickAsThieves: etc

16:36:37 decimation: the time away from home is irretrievable

16:36:49 ThickAsThieves: and if you do it right, it is not reversible

16:36:52 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: you got kids

16:36:53 thestringpuller: ?*

16:37:11 ThickAsThieves: not yet

16:37:19 ThickAsThieves: also a factor though

16:37:33 thestringpuller: then how deep can your roots really go?

16:37:40 thestringpuller: also why not spread seeds everywhere

16:37:46 thestringpuller: own property international...

16:37:54 ThickAsThieves: well i have a wife, and we each have families

16:38:00 decimation: USG is not a fan of international property ownership

16:38:06 ThickAsThieves: we have properties, businesses, careers

16:38:28 ThickAsThieves: fuck, even have cats is an issue

16:38:34 ThickAsThieves: having

16:38:45 decimation: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS-Reminds-Those-with-Foreign-Assets-of-U.S.-Tax-Obligations

16:38:45 thestringpuller: "Perhaps if this had happened 10 years earlier."

16:38:46 ozbot: IRS Reminds Those with Foreign Assets of U.S. Tax Obligations

16:38:50 thestringpuller: I what this sounds like.

16:38:59 thestringpuller: Is*

16:39:14 decimation: corporations can be international though; that's cool

16:39:18 ThickAsThieves: if i were single i'd be leaving already, sure

16:39:18 bounce: man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit.

16:39:25 ThickAsThieves: that was 8 years ago

16:39:28 ThickAsThieves: so sure

16:39:36 ThickAsThieves: but 8 years ago i had nothing

16:39:41 ThickAsThieves: a Jeep and a dream

16:40:43 ThickAsThieves: 8 years ago i had already just left my home state

16:40:49 ThickAsThieves: 10*

16:41:10 fluffypony: bounce: I'm waiting to see one in the wild ;)

16:43:04 ThickAsThieves: lol i didnt even see the BTC Foundation article

16:43:08 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: so you when does TaTI go international?

16:43:14 ThickAsThieves: those are some horrible banners indeed!

16:43:15 thestringpuller: damn I can't type today

16:43:33 ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, what you seem to have missed,

16:43:42 ThickAsThieves: is that TATI does not and cannot exist

16:44:10 fluffypony: oh tomorrow is Freedom Day here (celebrates the abolishment of Apartheid), here's a fun read on what made Apartheid crazy - http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-26-20-bizarre-apartheid-moments

16:44:26 thestringpuller: Just because something does not and cannot exist, does not mean that it doesn't need to exist.

16:44:49 thestringpuller: You are merely a NOC agent in Bitcoin's war on fiat.

16:45:38 ThickAsThieves: your logic escapes me a bit, but i guess i get the gist

16:47:30 thestringpuller: It's akin to being a spy in war time no? You technically can't exist, as a spy, thus you parade around like a normal individual.

16:48:05 thestringpuller: Your mission is necessary despite whether or not it is officially condoned...

16:48:31 ThickAsThieves: i think youve abstracted all application out of the topic

16:49:20 fluffypony: "The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on the Afrikaner. Whether they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.”

16:49:31 fluffypony: - PW Botha, then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981

16:50:09 thestringpuller: how so?

16:50:40 HeySteve: fluffypony, I think this freedom / unfreedom thing is a false dichotomy. it's more like there are degrees of freedom and the balance shifted

16:52:33 fluffypony: HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day" to commemorate the shifting of governmental power is a tradition all over the world - the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg.

16:56:44 HeySteve: fluffypony, sure, there's a difference here though in that the ANC tries to keep debate focused on these kinds of liberation narratives to justify its rule

16:56:56 HeySteve: it wasn't total unfreedom previously, that would imply slavery

17:00:14 fluffypony: HeySteve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws <- I think that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom that it would not be untoward to say that the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom to certain groups

17:01:19 fluffypony: as you said - freedom is not absolute, but there are enough extremes on both sides that they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994

17:02:14 bounce: and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe

17:02:25 HeySteve: ok certainly pass laws and other stuff was very restrictive. but in the context of electoral politics, this strikes me a bit like Democrats winning in USA then instituting National Freedom from Bush Day

17:03:00 HeySteve: it's not the same as the country becoming independent, it's a holiday about the victory of one faction over another which is used to bolster support for the current ruling party

17:03:56 fluffypony: sure, everything can be politicised or used to achieve politically motivated ends

17:04:24 HeySteve: yeah. I would like to see Service Delivery Day instead is all :P

17:04:31 fluffypony: lol

17:05:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

17:13:13 HeySteve: here's that F2F contract thing I mentioned earlier: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/one-simple-trick-secure-face-to-face-bitcoin-trades/2014/04/26

17:14:17 mircea_popescu: <bounce> man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit. << aww!

17:15:04 HeySteve: I mention bitcoin-assets in there as a good place to test ideas and such

17:15:57 mircea_popescu: jewish speaking ? he means idish or hebrew ?

17:16:18 bounce: "jewish", you heard the man

17:16:55 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't think he knew the difference

17:16:56 mircea_popescu: <bounce> and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe <<< this was a) never false and b) not currently true.

17:17:06 bounce: previously it was educated yet stupid white men doing stupid things. now, well, undereducated black people doing stupid things?

17:17:15 fluffypony: bounce: spot on

17:18:44 mircea_popescu: fundnation lol.

17:19:02 mircea_popescu: moar like fudge-ation

17:19:55 mircea_popescu: "Before the 1950s, this legislation largely applied to African men, and attempts to apply it to women in the 1910s and 1950s were met with significant protests. "

17:20:10 mircea_popescu: i think this is actually quite brilliant. make it illegal to have a mob[ile vulgus]

17:20:30 bounce: before 1914 you could travel all of europe without much of any papers. now, you can be locally born and raised yet get thrown in alien detention for not carrying papers. I'd say it's currently true.

17:20:34 mircea_popescu: co

17:20:48 mircea_popescu: communist romania had similar regulations. you couldn't just herpy-derp settle in town cause you felt like it.

17:20:59 mircea_popescu: bounce that's not factually true.

17:21:02 mircea_popescu: before 1914 when?

17:21:04 bounce: it's happened

17:21:23 mircea_popescu: before 1914 ie in the middle ages you could only travel if you were a journeyman, or in the service of a noble.

17:21:24 mircea_popescu: period.

17:21:36 mircea_popescu: before 1914 ie, after 1800, you could travel if you had a passeport.

17:21:42 mircea_popescu: somewhat laxer, but still.

17:22:18 mircea_popescu: otherwise, papers were always to be produced on demand, ever since la terreur.

17:24:29 mircea_popescu: !up jcorgan

17:24:29 assbot: Voicing jcorgan for 30 minutes.

17:28:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12491 @ 0.00095118 = 11.8812 BTC [+] {2}

17:28:58 mircea_popescu: soo cex.io is doing this blogger.com spamblogs thing

17:30:55 ThickAsThieves: https://us-amazon.icims.com/jobs/260282/sr.-software-engineer---master-mint-diecaster%2c-amazon-coins/job?mobile=false&width=894&height=1200&bga=true&needsRedirect=false

17:31:06 ThickAsThieves: "If the crazy ride and popularity of Bitcoin makes you cackle like a mad-scientist, this is the place for you. "

17:31:29 ThickAsThieves: Preferred Qualifications

17:31:35 ThickAsThieves: Experience with web development (e.g. HTML, CSS, JS, jQuery, AJAX)

17:31:39 ThickAsThieves: :)

17:31:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.d90d.co/images/20643-gianna-michaels.gif

17:32:08 fluffypony: "Unlike some of those other "currencies" out there, we are backed up by and have access to the customer trust and fortitude of the world's largest online retailer. "

17:32:25 fluffypony: well gee, Amazon, way to alienate some of your target demo

17:33:09 ThickAsThieves: "We are excited by the challenging problems we face building a brand new concept of money and we are always thinking about how to redefine the way people think about the cheddar."

17:33:27 ThickAsThieves: or, "We're feeling kinda fucked here, help!"

17:33:33 mircea_popescu: "650+ Search engine unique traffics by Google/Facebook/Twitter/Youtube/... for $1"

17:34:09 mircea_popescu: some guy on twitter, " The amount of web traffic that is driven to those site links are the equivalent of Gold to these companies. In a digital world SEO is king. On top of this, the CoinDesk price index is what the foundation uses to charge it?s members and is generally accepted as the price by mainstream media."

17:34:26 mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. traffic is king.

17:34:31 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:34:42 mircea_popescu: http://cexiomineritulfaraaparatura.blogspot.ro/ << i got 90 hits from this page past 24 hours.

17:34:47 mircea_popescu: no link to fraudsters anywhere.

17:34:52 mircea_popescu: very king.

17:35:15 mircea_popescu: http://castigabitcoin.blogspot.com/ << same deal.

17:35:16 ozbot: Castiga Bitcoin fara sa cumperi aparatura fara sa folosesti calculatorul

17:35:31 ThickAsThieves: it has that nice SEO speak too

17:35:33 ThickAsThieves: "About CEX.io Mining for Bitcoin without equipment"

17:35:51 mircea_popescu: ayup.

17:36:04 mircea_popescu: http://sartorandcompany.com/ < check that out

17:36:06 ozbot: Test Payday Loans Online to the Most Effective Approach to Borrow Dollars

17:36:24 mircea_popescu: somehow it sent 36 clicks to fraudsters. how ?

17:36:44 mircea_popescu: "buy traffic, set X domain as referer, hope noob webmaster actually links it somewhere"

17:37:27 ThickAsThieves: weird, i'd say it was hidden by CSS or someshit, but it aint

17:37:33 mircea_popescu: http://clash-of-clans-hack-cheats-cheat.passionsofmyheart.com http://solidcheats.com/boom-beach-hack-tool/ http://solidcheats.com/samurai-siege-hack/ etc.

17:37:36 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I also checked the source

17:37:57 mircea_popescu: one of the advantages of fraudsters : i'm on everyone's spamlist. cause i write about games, about movies, about whores, about money... food, you name it

17:37:58 fluffypony: I think it's as mircea_popescu suggests - fake traffic with fake referrers

17:38:18 mircea_popescu: those 3 links above claim 14 clicks each. who's right here ? http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/ with 15

17:38:21 mircea_popescu: god it must suck.

17:38:34 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:38:35 mircea_popescu: http://metalgearsolidgroundzeroes.blogspot.com

17:38:51 ThickAsThieves: notic eno comments allowed on the preston retort

17:38:59 mircea_popescu: http://madlensbrittles.com

17:39:06 ThickAsThieves: last word is his!

17:39:10 mircea_popescu: check that shit out. it redirects to a ... cloudflare protected domain

17:39:28 mircea_popescu: someone "bought" "traffic", got ddosed, got cloudflare.

17:39:53 mircea_popescu: http://homeimprovementfinancing.meximas.com

17:40:09 mircea_popescu: http://krasotas24.ru/

17:40:16 mircea_popescu: ok i gotta stop. but anyway, the idea stands.

17:40:35 ThickAsThieves: yeah now you just added all dem links to the log site

17:40:58 ThickAsThieves: such SEO

17:41:16 mircea_popescu: meh

17:41:32 ThickAsThieves: mp, in case yer interested https://www.youtube.com/user/PAULanthonyROMERO

17:41:42 ThickAsThieves: your favorite game composer has a youtube

17:41:51 ThickAsThieves: dude shreds on piano

17:41:53 mircea_popescu: not sure he's my favourite, im too ignorant to know

17:42:03 mircea_popescu: but he sure rocks

17:42:25 ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2mD77qwew

17:42:26 ozbot: Witajcie Poland Chris Smith's impossible dream of getting me into musical and muscle shape! - YouTu

17:42:45 ThickAsThieves: him working out and piano training at once

17:45:04 mircea_popescu: Colloquially, passes were often called the dompas, literally meaning the "dumb pass."

17:45:14 mircea_popescu: well... that's exactly what they were neh

17:45:26 fluffypony: you guys have seen the Reebok and Nike thing, hey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4c54rCJ_k

17:48:30 mircea_popescu: 5. ?Jan Smuts airport, in common with the Union?s other ports of land, sea and air, will soon amend its apartheid applications. The words ?European? and ?non-European? will be replaced by the words ?Whites? and ?Non-Whites? over appropriate doors and entrances. The reason is that foreigners, particularly Americans, confuse the issue ? and the exit ? by tending to use doors that seem to distin

17:48:31 mircea_popescu: guish them from people who originate from Europe.? ? Cape Times, 19

17:48:39 mircea_popescu: those pesky muricans ruining perfectly reasonable nonsense!

17:48:50 fluffypony: ikr

17:49:14 mircea_popescu: 7. ?Coloured girls can now work as usherettes in white cinemas ? provided they do not look at the screen, Mr John Redman, general manager of Kinekor?s theatre division, told me this week.

17:49:25 decimation: Re: US slavery: "At present, the federal government allocates about 25 percent of GDP and states/cities spend another 16 percent. According to some estimates, about 15 percent is controlled by the regulatory system, but this is probably low because it does not reflect the non-regulatory legal system. The conclusion is that at least 60 percent of the nation?s GDP is controlled by governments, and that does not even count the amount of economic

17:49:26 decimation: activity that is suppressed because of special interest pressure." (from my link above)

17:49:36 mircea_popescu: aww. i was rooting for "provided they remain on their knees, mouth open, left hand around lips

17:49:55 fluffypony: lol

17:50:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}

17:50:24 mircea_popescu: decimation i'd be surprised if 10% of us gdp is independent atm. it'd be mostly things like that cattle rancher guy.

17:50:49 mircea_popescu: ?When we show a film which our non-white girls are not allowed to see, they usher patrons with a torch and watch the floor,? he said. ?We discussed the matter with the Department of Labour and I raised this point with them. As a precautionary measure ? since non-whites are not allowed to see some films restricted to whites only ? we decided that they should not look at the screen.?

17:50:53 mircea_popescu: wtf filmns were those i wonder ?

17:50:59 mircea_popescu: Sunday Express, 1971

17:51:46 fluffypony: no clue

17:51:57 mircea_popescu: like what, felini's satyricon ?

17:52:15 mircea_popescu: hot summer in the city and assorted sexploitation/blacksploitation flicks ?

17:52:24 mircea_popescu: the mack lol.

17:52:49 fluffypony: lol

17:53:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00094773 = 27.7211 BTC [-]

17:53:49 mircea_popescu: ?I never imagined that power would remain forever with the Matanzimas. It?s just that we were the only two with university degrees.?

17:53:50 mircea_popescu: lmao

17:54:20 mircea_popescu: ?At least I?ll be able to kiss Desdemona without leaving a smudge.? ? Actor John Kani, the first black man to play Othello in Shakespeare?s play in South Africa

17:54:24 mircea_popescu: ahahaha ok this one's great.

17:54:53 mircea_popescu: ?[An] SABC records committee members, Mr Roelf Jacobs, denied the SABC ?banned? songs. ?We just don?t play them,? he said.?

17:55:08 mircea_popescu: ?People have the silly idea that there must be freedom of the press and no repression. They don?t realise that ideas are also a source of evil.?

17:55:47 decimation: of course ideas are a source of evil

17:56:01 decimation: the trouble is that any bureaucraticly crafted policy to suppress them will likely fail

17:56:05 mircea_popescu: ideas are a source of evil in the sense pie is a source of evil.

17:56:13 mircea_popescu: the supreme source of all evil is the cunt.

17:56:35 decimation: or the germ cells?

17:57:19 mircea_popescu: well this is enough history reading for an evening. ima go beat my slaves and smoke a pipe.

17:57:29 decimation: lol

18:14:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00095011 = 8.5985 BTC [+]

18:19:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4703 BTC [+]

18:28:27 jurov: HeySteve, in the article, can you link to actual log line?

18:28:43 jurov: !up xdotcomm_

18:28:43 assbot: Voicing xdotcomm_ for 30 minutes.

18:28:52 jurov: !up BingoBoingo

18:28:52 assbot: Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.

18:30:32 benkay: xdotcomm_ is back?

18:30:33 benkay: goodness.

18:30:45 xdotcomm_: benkay: yes!

18:30:52 xdotcomm_: did u miss me?

18:30:56 xdotcomm_: and my socks?

18:30:58 benkay: mnope.

18:31:00 HeySteve: jurov, I don't know how to link to the line, just the date

18:31:13 xdotcomm_: be honest ... i know you did

18:31:24 xdotcomm_: you miss the sock puppet show

18:31:34 HeySteve: if I can link to a line that's better

18:31:44 jurov: HeySteve: #linenumber, when you click in the time, you'll get it

18:31:50 HeySteve: ok thx I will try

18:31:52 jurov: the time in the start of every line

18:32:00 HeySteve: ah ha

18:33:47 HeySteve: right I updated it

18:42:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06922716 = 0.3461 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095043 = 6.1778 BTC [+]

18:51:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 460 @ 0.00084997 = 0.391 BTC [-] {4}

18:52:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 440 @ 0.00084342 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {4}

18:54:39 jurov: !up dignork

18:54:39 assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.

18:54:44 jurov: !up nubbins`

18:54:44 assbot: Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.

18:56:01 artifexd: ThickAsThieves: Thanks for the kind words on your blog. Much appreciated.

19:14:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0685 = 0.137 BTC [-]

19:15:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2}

19:38:19 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/2wuBhnU.jpg?1

19:43:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0413034 = 0.1239 BTC [+] {3}

19:47:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7912 @ 0.00095043 = 7.5198 BTC [+]

19:55:43 moiety: lolol fluffypony

19:55:50 moiety: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/apr/25/tony-blair-cassetteboy-video-mashup-bloomberg-speech amyone seen this?

19:55:54 moiety: anyone*

20:02:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03429 = 0.1715 BTC [+] {2}

20:02:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0412 = 0.206 BTC [-] {2}

20:02:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {2}

20:08:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6878 @ 0.00095031 = 6.5362 BTC [-] {2}

20:10:32 fluffypony: !up prestonbanks

20:10:32 assbot: Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.

20:10:44 fluffypony: sup prestonbanks

20:11:49 prestonbanks: sup fluffypony

20:11:58 prestonbanks: just read bitcoinpete's blog

20:12:02 fluffypony: two glasses of wine down, nom

20:12:05 prestonbanks: now im here

20:12:31 fluffypony: oic

20:12:33 fluffypony: which article?

20:13:22 prestonbanks: a lot of them

20:13:30 prestonbanks: going from one reference to the next

20:13:41 benkay: prestonbanks of fincen?

20:14:11 fluffypony: !seen bitcoinpete

20:14:14 prestonbanks: nope

20:14:16 fluffypony: ;;seen bitcoinpete

20:14:17 gribble: bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> jurov: indeed, best of luck!

20:14:32 fluffypony: guess bitcoinpete is weekend-ing

20:14:53 prestonbanks: how does he dare

20:14:54 fluffypony: OH - preston BYRNE is the other dude

20:14:58 fluffypony: lawlz

20:15:11 fluffypony: I thought you were he

20:15:42 prestonbanks: is that why i got voice so quickly?

20:15:44 prestonbanks: haha

20:15:47 fluffypony: pretty much

20:15:50 fluffypony: I got excited

20:15:53 kakobrekla: and !down ..

20:16:01 prestonbanks: finders keepers

20:16:12 fluffypony: prestonbanks: it'll only last for another 25 mins anyway

20:16:21 prestonbanks: ah ok

20:16:34 prestonbanks: well i actually planned to follow bitcoinpete's advice

20:16:47 fluffypony: about not investing in MaidSafe?

20:16:47 fluffypony: :-P

20:16:56 prestonbanks: "shutting up and learning until you have something intelligent to say"

20:17:05 fluffypony: good advice

20:17:10 kakobrekla: and get in the wot

20:17:16 prestonbanks: avoiding maidsafe like the plague

20:17:18 fluffypony: ^^

20:17:25 fluffypony: do you know how to register your nick?

20:17:29 prestonbanks: i heard the letstalkbitcoin interview of maidsafe

20:17:41 kakobrekla: ltb is shit.

20:18:08 prestonbanks: i will follow the instructions in the subject line to register my nick

20:18:11 prestonbanks: thx fluffy

20:18:14 fluffypony: prestonbanks: /msg nickserv register password email

20:18:23 fluffypony: and then when you connect in future /msg nickserv identify password

20:18:24 prestonbanks: ok

20:18:29 fluffypony: in terms of the WoT

20:18:33 kakobrekla: registering nick != registering in the wot

20:18:38 fluffypony: start here: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide

20:18:41 ThickAsThieves: prestonbanks are you the guy with the blog that quoted MPEx's stance on the SEC?

20:18:53 fluffypony: but you can only register in the WoT after registering your nick

20:18:57 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: no, I made the same mistake

20:19:02 ThickAsThieves: poo

20:19:03 fluffypony: I got super excited

20:19:24 kakobrekla: im not sure thats required

20:19:27 prestonbanks: i opened pandora's box without knowing

20:19:44 fluffypony: kakobrekla: afaik it is, gribble doesn't allow eregister or bcregister without a registered nick

20:19:56 benkay: getting into the wot properly is a daylong exercise if you're not a regular gpg user to begin with

20:20:15 ThickAsThieves: no suh

20:20:20 ThickAsThieves: i learned in like 15min

20:20:28 benkay: backed up your master key?

20:20:34 prestonbanks: i should probably consider a different nick

20:20:37 benkay: made revocation certs?

20:20:47 prestonbanks: in case the fincen guy wants in

20:20:49 benkay: ThickAsThieves: ^^

20:20:55 fluffypony: lawl

20:20:56 benkay: tested your restoration process?

20:21:01 ThickAsThieves: ah no, i just mean getting it all to work

20:21:22 ThickAsThieves: if you wanna get in wot and get permavoice in here it isnt hard

20:21:37 ThickAsThieves: that leaves out nickserv auth reg too...

20:21:41 benkay: i'm saying setting up the gpg toolchain is a daylong exercise for new gpg users.

20:21:51 prestonbanks: tomorrow is a sunday

20:22:01 prestonbanks: so it should be doable

20:22:15 benkay: and setting up the toolchain should be preceeded by reading the manual, but who reads manuls these days anyways

20:22:19 kakobrekla: the notion of days is all wrong.

20:22:20 benkay: (fuckers bite, i hear)

20:22:55 fluffypony: kakobrekla: I like the structure it gives, but that's just me

20:24:50 prestonbanks: i hate those foldable manuals that are as big as a roadmap

20:25:40 fluffypony: kakobrekla: just checked, and you're 100% right - I'd misread an earlier issue with someone trying to ;;bcauth and gribble complaining about them not being registered, I thought they were trying to ;;bcregister

20:26:32 *: kakobrekla is right even when he is wrong, the usual.

20:26:50 fluffypony: of cors

20:27:19 prestonbanks: all guys talking now are regulars around here?

20:27:56 fluffypony: or in assbot's Level 2 trust

20:28:02 fluffypony: which is the only requirement

20:28:42 prestonbanks: cool

20:28:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2598 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4684 BTC [-]

20:28:58 prestonbanks: i'm sure i'll pick up on the inside jokes over time

20:29:00 fluffypony: prestonbanks: benkay has a blog post on the model: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

20:29:30 prestonbanks: thx

20:29:47 prestonbanks: i'll get to it tonight and tomorrow

20:30:11 prestonbanks: now enjoying my remaining minutes of voice

20:30:20 prestonbanks: weeeeeee

20:30:25 kakobrekla: !down prestonbanks

20:30:27 Duffer1: :P

20:30:58 Duffer1: !up prestonbanks

20:30:58 assbot: Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.

20:31:09 prestonbanks: doh!

20:31:14 prestonbanks: had that coming

20:31:16 prestonbanks: thx duffer

20:31:24 Duffer1: :P

20:31:42 prestonbanks: kakobrekla is the mean guy of the group

20:31:44 prestonbanks: duly noted

20:32:18 Duffer1: nah just people messin with you

20:32:26 kakobrekla: no, i was serious.

20:32:29 kakobrekla: !down prestonbanks

20:32:32 kakobrekla: go read up

20:32:57 fluffypony: prestonbanks: your time will come, don't forget to register your nick and get in the WoT, cheers!

20:33:23 Duffer1: also http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/

20:34:02 mod6: huh, didn't know about that page.

20:34:29 fluffypony: mod6: much easier than pushing everyone's RSS feed into a reader

20:35:42 kakobrekla: mod6 its in the topic you know

20:35:57 kakobrekla: also on home of b-a.com

20:36:30 fluffypony: kakobrekla: nobody reads the chan topic, apparently

20:36:46 kakobrekla: ;;topic

20:36:47 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

20:36:51 kakobrekla: fixd.

20:40:22 mod6: kakobrekla: ah!

20:40:34 *: mod6 wonders how he never looked that up

20:41:04 mod6: i guess i just read a lot of these blogs directly. kindof a nice digest tho.

20:47:10 *: moiety read manuls, realised it was a typo *disappoint*

20:47:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06933582 = 0.6934 BTC [+]

20:48:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00316004 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2}

20:49:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03447 = 0.2413 BTC [+] {2}

20:49:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0412 = 0.2884 BTC [-] {2}

20:49:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2}

20:53:47 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: g'day

20:54:19 ThickAsThieves: Open for corrections and omissions http://devilsadvocate.biz/the-denomination-decimal-designation-debate/

20:54:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60303 @ 0.00094681 = 57.0955 BTC [-] {5}

20:55:20 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You too

20:56:01 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: One of my favorite parts of bitcoin is the mystery surrounding the distinction between NCOs and officers of Bitcoin

20:56:48 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'm EXTREMELY opinionated about that, and I fully agree with your conclusions

20:57:35 ThickAsThieves: cool!

20:58:37 ThickAsThieves: i dont write much, and as i read my writing it feels very "What I Did Last Summer", so I'm also open to constructive criticisms

20:58:50 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: there's a shitload of account software that can't handle more than 2 decimal places, and when you have idiot data captures manually capturing BTC transactions because the company is too cheap to pay a developer for an hour's worth of work, bad stuff happens...that same accounting software has no problem differentiating the US Dollar from the Zimbabwean Dollar and the Japanese Yen, despite their integer values being orders of

20:58:50 fluffypony: magnitude different, so the argument is sound

20:59:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7946 @ 0.00094459 = 7.5057 BTC [-] {2}

21:00:09 benkay: not a typo, moiety :)

21:00:16 BingoBoingo: !up prestonbanks

21:00:16 assbot: Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.

21:00:36 BingoBoingo: ;;google drinkingrecord GPG guide

21:00:37 gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/

21:00:44 BingoBoingo: ^^ prestonbanks

21:01:14 prestonbanks: thx

21:01:45 BingoBoingo: prestonbanks: The GPG stuff does take a while but registering with nickserv and setting enforce to on is a quick exercise

21:02:27 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: in fact, I think I got quite vocal on this thread: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3862 - the proposal was to switch to micro-BTC, but the accounting software idea is the same...unfortunately it was NACK'd because everyone thought it had to do with the exchange rate rather than reading the opening post

21:02:54 fluffypony: well not think, I know I did

21:03:52 prestonbanks: bingbiongo; i have some experience with registering and using IRC channels so i think that will be no problem as soon as i figured out a new nick

21:03:58 danielpbarron: 11:51:45 <+mircea_popescu> i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid. << I have been doing exactly that ever since I found this place.

21:04:13 prestonbanks: the pgp stuff.. i'll have to read up on that

21:04:28 prestonbanks: bookmarked the links you guys gave me

21:05:05 prestonbanks: bingoboingo* sorry for butchering your name

21:05:23 BingoBoingo: prestonbanks: Cool, just remember some freenode shit is weird and non-standard? Oh, you don't just tab to autocomplete?

21:06:06 BingoBoingo: prestonbanks: The most important part of the GPG stuff is the key management practice.

21:06:21 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: he's on web chat

21:06:33 BingoBoingo: Delete restore and generate new keys prolly no less than 10 times

21:07:07 *: BingoBoingo goes backs to watching baseball

21:07:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]

21:08:02 benkay: thestringpuller: when is gasenwagen conf?

21:14:20 phf: i.. wouldn't recommend going to a gasenwagen conf, not by your own choice anyway

21:17:12 benkay: well, the gasenwagen conf is for those scheduled for the gasenwagen but have not yet been picked up

21:19:33 phf: ok, glad we're on the same page

21:20:37 phf: and there's a proper use of kashchenit terminology going on

21:22:34 Duffer1: fluffypony nice banners

21:22:42 fluffypony: tks Duffer1

21:23:07 fluffypony: I have some ideas for other ones, just too busy to actually do them

21:24:27 benkay: kashchenit, phf?

21:26:26 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/460164769475866624

21:26:27 ozbot: Twitter / AdrianChen: Yes. There will be a live-doxxing ...

21:27:18 fluffypony: oh goody

21:27:20 fluffypony: another one

21:33:51 moiety: benkay: yeah, i have to stop responding as i am reading. i saw the biting bit after. happy weekend btw!

21:34:44 benkay: happy weekend to yourself as well

21:36:55 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: what game are you watching atm btw?

21:37:19 fluffypony: !up BingoBoingo

21:37:19 assbot: Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.

21:37:37 BingoBoingo: Cardinals vs. Pirates. Was looking really good until is wasn't

21:37:39 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo

21:37:39 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013

21:37:49 BingoBoingo: On the deck taking a smoke break

21:37:56 fluffypony: ah ok

21:38:08 BingoBoingo: ~5 minutes laptop goes off again

21:38:16 fluffypony: on that note, I'm off to bed, night all

21:39:02 BingoBoingo: benkay: If this game gets much worse I might self up and hang here a while

21:40:09 benkay: come hang out with us, BingoBoingo

21:40:22 benkay: i was just throwing the notion of a gasenwagen conf around

21:40:48 BingoBoingo: benkay: IRL socially drinking today. Just stepped out for a fag.

21:41:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06704916 = 6.7049 BTC [-] {19}

21:41:11 BingoBoingo: And headed in...

21:41:16 phf: benkay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaschenism

21:42:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06600066 = 1.98 BTC [-] {2}

21:42:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00094347 = 39.2484 BTC [-] {3}

21:43:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06933581 = 0.208 BTC [+] {2}

21:43:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03250016 = 0.195 BTC [-] {2}

21:48:00 benkay: o wow, phf. that's...news to me.

21:49:09 Namworld: Hmm, I'm looking at penalties for late tax filling. Looks like the interest charged is low. Up to a maximum of 50% flat penalty for multiple years of late filling plus 5-6% annual interest on balance.

21:49:27 Namworld: So far, over the last few years, anyone with BTC income would have been better off waiting and filling late to avoid having to convert BTC to pay taxes earlier it seems.

21:50:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06933556 = 0.2773 BTC [+] {3}

21:52:18 bounce: oh, it's wikipedia begging season again

21:55:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00648271 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {9}

21:57:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00135202 = 0.1352 BTC [+]

21:59:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07525 = 0.1505 BTC [-] {2}

22:02:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47926 @ 0.0009426 = 45.175 BTC [-] {5}

22:03:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.068001 = 0.136 BTC [-]

22:09:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0333125 = 0.2665 BTC [+] {3}

22:11:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0684818 = 0.4794 BTC [+] {2}

22:12:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0685454 = 0.4113 BTC [+]

22:13:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0685454 = 0.6855 BTC [+]

22:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0335 = 0.134 BTC [+]

22:14:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0413 = 0.1652 BTC [-]

22:14:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

22:15:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0335 = 0.201 BTC [+]

22:15:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04126666 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {3}

22:16:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

22:16:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-]

22:16:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04113333 = 0.2468 BTC [-] {2}

22:16:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0682 = 0.4092 BTC [-]

22:17:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

22:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.033 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2}

22:29:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04216633 = 0.1265 BTC [+] {3}

22:30:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03385685 = 0.237 BTC [+] {3}

22:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0689049 = 0.1378 BTC [+] {2}

22:32:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]

22:32:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [+]

22:33:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.0742218 = 1.1133 BTC [-] {2}

22:33:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.03363157 = 0.639 BTC [-] {2}

22:34:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.03413741 = 1.3314 BTC [+] {5}

22:35:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.04215384 = 0.548 BTC [-] {2}

22:36:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

22:36:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04232333 = 0.127 BTC [+] {2}

22:37:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03449626 = 0.5174 BTC [+] {4}

22:37:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0421932 = 0.211 BTC [-] {2}

22:37:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-] {2}

22:38:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03476666 = 0.5215 BTC [+] {3}

22:38:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04158499 = 0.2911 BTC [-] {3}

22:39:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

22:55:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06700001 = 0.134 BTC [-] {2}

23:01:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73076 @ 0.00093962 = 68.6637 BTC [-] {4}

23:10:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]

23:10:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16435 @ 0.00093868 = 15.4272 BTC [-]

23:19:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-] {2}

23:27:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.066 = 0.264 BTC [-]

23:32:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8251 @ 0.00093868 = 7.745 BTC [-]

23:34:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

23:35:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06450051 = 0.3225 BTC [-]

23:47:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]